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Richard Carrier vs William Lane Craig on Faith Under Fire

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Uploaded on Nov 6, 2008

More about Richard Carrier's case for the "two body" theory concerning St. Paul's views can be found here http://www.infidels.org/library/moder... and the entire case can be found in the book, "The Empty Tomb: Jesus Beyond the Grave" http://www.amazon.com/Empty-Tomb-Jesu... The FAQ responding to the most common objections can be found here: http://www.richardcarrier.info/Spirit...

William Lane Craig's book "The Son Rises" can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/Son-Rises-Willi... and the closest thing I can find on his site responding more at length to the "spiritual body" stuff is here: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcr... If anyone has any better links on behalf of Craig, please let me know. Christian CADRE has a post on this video as well and they point to the same article. http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/20...

Not a lot of time to get into anything, and it seems they got kind of tangled in different discussions at the end. Rick was asking about the appearance evidence from the epistle era (when Paul wrote) and asked Bill if he thought Paul was describing heavily interactive physical appearances like the later versions that we find in the gospels (especially Luke and John). Somehow we side stepped into talking about the validity of Acts which is a different conversation given Acts is tied to the later gospel of Luke and not the early first hand Pauline evidence that only speaks directly of revelations and visions.

Viewers, I suppose, are left with two options. Either Rick (and other atheists) are close minded crazy people or perhaps some Christians are intellectually retrofitting their subjective religious experiences into a shaky historical case for a variety of phenomena (miracles) that we can't confirm today.

Rick's response to the part of N. T. Wright's book, "The Resurrection of the Son of God" dealing with physical vs. spiritual body resurrection can be found here:

http://www.richardcarrier.info/Spirit...

For a much longer in-depth debate on this issue, Rick goes up against Mike Licona and the video of that is here:

http://blip.tv/play/Aab0WomkJQ

and part two is here:

http://blip.tv/play/Aab3C4mkJQ

As a semi-follow up to that debate Rick takes on Frank Turek here:

http://www.podcastdirectory.com/podsh...

And currently Rick is engaged in a written debate with Jake O'Connell and it is going on at infidels.org on this same issue here:

http://www.infidels.org/library/moder...

To understand how Rick's position here squares with his updated views on the ahistorical Jesus hypothesis go here:

http://www.richardcarrier.info/Spirit...

For some important lessons on how ahistoricity should *not* be justified listen to this audio interview:

http://audio.xanga.com/WAR_ON_ERROR/c...

Not that it matters too much, but I've posted my own commentary on migkiller2 and DrunkAtheist's little scuffle in the comment section here on my xanga:

http://weblog.xanga.com/WAR_ON_ERROR/...

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