 Like my argument is hinging on whether or not I've ever planted a carrot. Have you ever planted a carrot? If you haven't, you don't know anything about factory farming. Actually, Darren, you have just made me realise something that I've never considered. Poor people will die of starvation. There'll be nothing to eat if we can't eat, um, you know, Garrett's Welsh lamb. That is eight pounds a kilo from the heavens of the Welsh, you know, highlands. Like, are you serious, dude? There's nothing that, um, makes me more frustrated when someone say people should have a choice. Oh, mate, Garif, check out Garif's nutritious British breakfast here. Mate, look at that nutrition! Carcinogen! Hello everyone. So if you hadn't heard, I had a debate recently on GB News. It's quite a frustrating debate with a farmer, quite intense and heated. But there are many things I didn't get to say during the debate. So I thought I'd do a live stream and react and add a little bit more context where I didn't have the chance to. So I'm uploading it now again for you. Cut it up a little bit, made it a little bit more engaging. So I hope you enjoy this is me reacting to my debate that I had on Saturday with GB News. Let me just say, like, they did not tell me I was going to have a debate. They didn't tell me it was going to be three people. They told me Darren Grimes is going to interview you. So basically, I went into this, not even knowing it was going to be a debate. And then as soon as I got on camera, I just seemed like two other people there. I'm like, okay, all right, well, let's go. And getting the right nutrition. And that's really important. You've got to get the right nutrition. The most nutritious food on earth is dead lambs. The most nutritious, sustainable, amazing food is dead lambs. Life stock farmer up here, you know, we're in the middle of lambing and carving. Them lambs now will be ready. Them lambs now will be ready to go to the slaughterhouse to have their head cut off. That's what takes my bills, keeps the roof above my head. And, you know, we're very, very lucky in this country. Yeah. And if you see the roof over his head, it's actually quite nice roof over his head. Actually, it doesn't just pay the bills. He actually, it looks like he's living it up quite a lot. Big massive house, heaps of land seems quite well off actually. That we're supported by the British public. You know, meat is very, very nutritious, especially grass fed, you know, lamb or beef. It's so nutritious. And he's like, I'm glad the public support us. You know, the public support you in more ways than one because our tax dollars go to farming without our permission actually to subsidize you. So let's just see how nutritious lamb is. Let's go roast leg mate. Let's go 2000 calories. It's a full day of just lamb. There's no vitamin C. Holy moly. There's no fiber. But yeah, you're pretty much going to die without vitamin C or get scurvy. Let's have a look at saturated fat here. Whoa. 32 grams saturated fat. Look at the cholesterol. Look at the cholesterol. Look, if you ate lamb, like the way he's talking about it, 900 milligrams of cholesterol. Holy, that's like, that's crazy. And I keep a little bit of pigs as well. So they get some of the, you know, the stuff that comes from my vegetable plot that we don't want. And I use the manure as well from the back. Got some pigs there getting ready to slaughter them. So they're squeal for their lives in a slaughterhouse. The pigs came to the cows to grow my veg. So all that is the circle of life. It's the circle of life. Gareth, you know, that phrase, that whole song. It's like an Elton John song that come from the Lion King. That's what it is. It's a fantasy. These animals are being fed like silage and hay and all of this. Like they don't just eat grass off the ground. All of that land as well. Just Joseph Paul's study said 83% of farmland is for animal agriculture. But then there was a, if you add in some UN data, I think it's like 77. But it's like most, most of the farmland, like the vast majority is just used for other grazing animals or feeding the animals. You know what I mean? Just insane. But circle of life and regenerative, you know, like we use their feces, you know, we use their feces and then we slaughter them, cut their heads off. And that's, we have to do it basically. If we don't do it, humanity will just perish. Gareth, how hard would you be hit if, if Joey, we're going to come to Joey in a second. But if Joey and his clan got their way and actually your industry was redundant? I mean, it's Darren Grimes. Like I come into the discussion thinking, I'll give him a chance. He seems like pretty reasonable. But you can tell he was just a biased rude. It starts calling me Joey and his clan. Like Joey and his clan, like we're a massive movement all around the world. The connotation of what he's saying now is like, he's just like the bad guy. And his clan is going to take down Gareth, the poor, honest farmer just struggling to get by with massive acreage poor Gareth. Like he's, he actually said he's getting more for lamb now. So it's more lucrative to him. But anyways, that's this Darren guy already. He already has his bias set from the start. He's not interested in learning or finding out the truth of the discussion. They're only interested in having me on as someone to chastise publicly and to use as the villain. I don't really care to be honest. It doesn't bother me. Go for it, mate. But I'm going to have my say that's for sure. They're about three to five percent of the population. So I'm not worried about little joey to be honest with you. We're about three to five percent of the population making massive waves. Look at the January, look at the January. Like you're not scared of a January. They had, if you're not, if the farming community isn't scared, why did the AHDB spend three and a half million pounds on their eat balanced campaign? Three and a half million pounds. Million pounds. That is crazy. And you're telling me that the AHDB aren't worried about the January. They spent that money during the January. You've got you have to like keep promoting it and pushing it because you're afraid that consumer demand is changing. What we carry on is, you know, we get the support majority of the British public are behind this. You know, I was getting maybe four pound per kilo last two years ago. We're up to six and seven pound per kilo for one of the demands out there. You know, like this is about should we ban offers on cheap meat? But I'm just letting you know how much I get from my meat. I'm getting way more, way more. You have to pay way more for my lamb. You know, I mean, you know, and it's just like the public are behind us. The British public are behind us. I don't think most of the British public give a shit really. They just want to eat meat. Like you don't really see that many like, oh, go our farmers. Like, like when you when I go out to the wider public, right? I'm out there talking to the public all the time. Most people just mindlessly eat meat. They don't really give a damn where it comes from. Usually like they're eating. They're in there eating KFC. Do you think they care about where the chickens come from in KFC? Why do you think KFC gets so much business? You think they're just thinking, oh, beautiful British hardworking farmers have, right, produced this amazing food for us in KFC. They don't give a damn. They don't even care if it's factory farms sometimes. They eat it. They're not like, oh, go, like, go farmers. You know, I think this guy, he's actually an advocate. Like I'm an advocate for the animals. He's an advocate for farming. And it comes across because he completely makes stuff up, actually denies reality. Everybody's shouting for it because they know it's sustainable. It's really healthy for you. You know, it's full of top quality protein, nutrition. Protein. It's full of top quality protein. Like, you know, red meat, right? The World Health Organization classified it as a two class to a carcinogen prop, meaning it probably causes cancer is a top quality protein. Mate, eating flesh is not top quality protein. All right. You know, it's top quality protein is when you can get protein and you can get fiber as well. And it doesn't probably cause cancer. All the vitamins you want. So, you know, I all the vitamins you want except for well, fibers, not a vitamin, but it's pretty damn important. Vitamin C. What about that one? What about that? Which is like, he's acting like you can just eat lamb. No worries. You know what I mean? I'm not worried. One, I thought about Joey and his little guns, to be honest with you. And he called me little Joey, didn't he? Like little Joey trying? What was that? Is he one of those insecure, like, what do you mean little? What does that got to do with anything? Little Joey. Mate, back in my day, you would have been, I would have been a handful for you, mate. I'm telling you, back when I was on the streets, little Joey wouldn't just saying little Joey to me wouldn't have stopped me. But, you know, these days I'm calm, calm, having a discussion. What does my size have to do with it? You know what I mean? It's almost like you're a bit threatened there. So you have to go and just, just to like, almost prove it to yourself that you're not a little bit intimidated. Little Joey and his little clan. Yeah. If you weren't so worried, why do you have to advocate for your product? You're a priest. The most nutritious product on earth. Oh my God, without it, we would die like without a lamb. Like you can't live without cutting off little lamb's heads. You know, like why do you have to advocate for it so fiercely if you're so confident? Shouldn't it just sell itself? If the British public are so behind you, why do you have to spend like every single day on your Facebook advocating, advocating, advocating? I have to because we are, we are going up against huge industries, huge marketing campaigns like the AHDB three and a half million pound campaign to get people to eat meat during the January because they're so terrified of the January. So yeah, look, I think he's just trying to prove it, like basically prove it to himself that he's not a bit concerned about the vegan movement. Joey, I'm going to let you come in now. Are you worried about the impacts that encouraging the British people to get off meat would actually have on farmers and actually some of the poorest people in society that would have to potentially go for more expensive, vegan-friendly products? You see what I mean? Like painting me out to be the villain. Aren't you worried about like forcing poor people to pay for expensive products and destroying the lives of this poor farmer who's like living in a mansion of a million acres of land? Just making bulk cash off all his lambs at his slaughter? Listen, like, you're talking about banning the promotion of cheat meat. And this Gareth guy's got one of these small holding farms where, you know, it doesn't represent the majority of farming in the UK anyway. 85% of the UK animals are factory farmed. Of the billion chickens that are slaughtered here every year in this country, 95% of them are factory farmed. And over the last 16 weeks, none of them have been let out because it's a bird flu. So you're talking about factory farmed animals predominantly. Over 90% of the peas here are factory farmed. And they keep it in gas chambers one of the coolest ways to die. And no welfare animal welfare organization denies that. So Gareth represents, he called us three to five percent. Gareth actually represents a small percentage of what the meat that's actually eaten. And if you're worried about expensive, then this brass fed small holding free range unaccessible meat is one of the most expensive foods you can basically buy. And also there's a billion chickens being slaughtered here that Gareth seems to not think exists, which is pretty hilarious. And they drive up the percentage of factory farmed, the animals that are factory farmed by a huge margin. So that's what he doesn't get. He's thinking that chickens don't exist. And when you include factory farmed fish, it's actually higher because a lot of people don't understand that like in like Scotland and all around the waters, there's big fish factory farms. The cheapest foods in the supermarket, the rice, the beans, the oats, the... Did you see him laughing? What are you laughing at statistics? What are you laughing at data? You're sitting there advocating like the most nutritious food on earth is dead lambs food with cholesterol saturated fat. Oh, don't worry about the science on that. Don't worry, that's just false. And then I come out and I'm like, well, so this is the statistics here. There's a billion chickens being killed. And actually 95% of them are factory farmed by default anyway. But at the moment, none of the hens have been let out. Even free range egg layers aren't even being let out one second in the last 16 weeks because of bird flu. None of the egg layers and about over 50% of the eggs in the UK are free range. And they've lost their free range certification because they haven't even been able to let them out because of bird flu. So right now there isn't even free range eggs. And he's like laughing at me like, and I don't know anything about farming. And I don't know anything about farming. Wow, lentils are some of the cheapest. You know, some of the cheapest. And you're laughing there. Do you think gas chambers are funny gas? He was laughing when I was saying something serious and then I wanted to put it back on him, put the pressure back on him. If you get a kilo of lentils, he was talking about, what was he talking about? Six, seven, eight pounds a kilo for, for lamb? There's no way you're paying eight pounds a kilo for lentils and they're filled with fiber and nutrients and iron. They're really healthy for you. So basically, Garth was talking about what he gets wholesale for lamb. But if you actually look up lamb chops here, so this is 550, but per kilo for lamb chops you're looking at 13 pounds. That's crazy. Look at this. Lamb cutlets. Garlic and rosemary crumb. 20 quid a kilo. Lamb leg. Diced. 15 pounds a kilo. What's that? Lentils. One pound 80 a kilo. It's nearly 10 fold less for lentils. Incredibly nutritious, full of fiber. Great food. Yeah, Garth, I'll just let you come out in on that. Little Joey, yeah, you just made me laugh, honestly. You've got no idea. Let me just do an impersonation quickly of Garth. Little Joey, yeah. You don't intimidate or scare me. You know, I don't have enough intellect to actually digest what you just said. So I'm just going to laugh and insult you. I hope you enjoyed that. That doesn't come very often. So lap it up. You've got no idea. Look, I run as much as 4,000 units, okay? And that's what I would like to know, actually, Garth. Like, what part of what I said was false? Let's hear what he says. 4,000 units, okay? We've got 300 head of cattle. He's got 4,000 units and 300 head of cattle. So not really a small holding. Oh, wow. My mistake. Definitely doesn't represent majority of farming, though, still. It's a partnership. It's a business. It's not a factory farm. The majority... It's a farming. It's a business. It's not a factory farm. Never said yours was. What I said was the majority of the animals in land animals in the UK are factory farmed and animals generally are factory farmed. The majority. That's what I said. I never said you have a factory farm. Garth, you know, there's other farms out there other than yours. The majority of the animals in this country are outside me. The majority of the animals... This is where I knew that Garth does not have a clue about farming in this country. This is hilarious. Never, ever let a farmer tell you that you know more about farming than you just because they're a farmer, just from virtue of them being a farmer. That's an appeal to authority. It doesn't matter if you've never seen a farm, all right? You just... And you've read all... If you've read all the data, statistics from the government, the farming bodies, this is their data, AHTB data, DEFRA data, all of this data, right? If you've read that and a farmer hasn't and they live in their own farming world then you know more statistically about farming numbers than they do. He doesn't even think factory farms exist in the UK. How hilariously stupid. And they're insulting me and my intelligence in trying to belittle me. What a fool. What a fool. Don't usually rip into people like this but this Garth do a different story and I don't care what you say, he's just a different type of person. He's denying factory farms exist in the UK. How sickening and how dishonest. How can you believe anything that comes out of this person's mouth at this point? Denying factory farms exist is basically saying the majority of animals in the UK are out on the land. Okay. Where the chickens live, mate? They haven't been outside for 16 weeks because a bird flew and 95% of them are factory farmed. These aren't even my stats. Look them up yourself. Over 800 mega-style US farms in the UK. Over 800. I think it's around 800 but that was like 2017 when they are the Bureau of Investigative Germanism. There are around 800 mega US-style factory farms in the UK. This guy is denying that they exist and that's what's driving up the percentage of factory farming actually in this country. Anyway, beside the point, you know me, I don't want animals out. I'm not one of these psychotic people who think that because you treat an animal nicely you can then throw them in a slaughterhouse to have their head cut off of their body. That's not me. So factory farmed or not, I don't agree with it principally. So you're telling me that all of these are out on grass? You're part of the problem. See, you're the one who's propagating these humane lies to the public. They go in the supermarket. They think it's all green grass and pastures. I investigate these farms. I do it all the time. I'm in there seeing the chickens dying on their faces. They go into gas chambers. You think it's funny. Pigs dying in gas chambers, 86% of them. That's a death for a star. And they suffer in these gas chambers to death. And you're laughing because you think it's funny. He was laughing at me goading me. But I do good under that type of pressure actually. I actually don't mind a bit of a dirty fight in a debate on TV actually. So yeah, if you want that, mate, I'm down for that any time of the week. The reason I said that I investigate farms is because that brings a level of credibility than just some person who's just completely disconnected from farms altogether. Like I walk through them. I know where they are. I've been inside of them. Dozens of them at this point. Probably more than this person, actually, been in probably more, more pig and chicken farms than Gareth has. Otherwise you wouldn't be saying this nonsense. Would you like to trade places with these animals, Gareth? How would you like to trade places with these animals? Gareth, you wouldn't be laughing so much then if you were in a gas chamber screaming for your life, would you? Then you wouldn't be laughing so much if you had to go to the slaughterhouse where you send your lambs and your cows, would you? Trying to escape the knockbox, seeing blood everywhere. You know, your life flashing before your eyes. The most horrible terror to lose your life in a slaughterhouse. You know, Gareth doesn't think of that. He only thinks of himself, actually, and is in pocket and how much money he's going to make from slaughtering animals. Yeah, I'm laughing at you. I am that. He said he's laughing at me. I'm laughing at you. He's like, he's laughing at me trying to... Which is, these are just ad hominem attacks, really. He's going little joey, you know. Like, basically, debate the point. Don't distract people going, I'm laughing at you. You're a little joey. I'm not afraid of you. Like, it's all white noise. Debate the point. And I just said I'm laughing at you back because I didn't want to sit there and let him just talk down to me like I was some type of, like, infant that couldn't back themselves up. Absolutely, a lot of fun. Listen, you're sitting in your vegan world. You've got no idea how your food's produced. I bet you don't grow anything. I'm an investor. That was his response. After everything I just said about the way animals are killed, the way they're raised, you know, there's deference on how many pigs are gassed, the horrible suffering they endure. He said, you have no idea how your food is produced. Have you ever planted a garden? Like, my argument is hinging on whether or not I've ever planted a carrot. Is that not hilarious? That he thinks whether or not you've got a garden determines the validity of your argument, determines how strong your argument is, determines how factual what you're saying is if you've never planted a garden, you don't know anything about factory farms in the UK. Hilarious. And he's saying I don't know anything about food. You don't even know that animal's in the UK. You don't even know that most animals are indoors in the UK. It's actually quite sad that you are a farming advocate and you don't even know about pigs in farrowing crates, for example. The 60% of the sows, the mothers are in farrowing crates and that they're red tractor approved. And I don't know anything because I haven't planted a garden. You know, wait a second, I've got a pot plant in the kitchen. Should I just water that? And then all of a sudden, like, I've got an authority on gardening if I just water my pot plant. Should I go get it? Here we go, Gareth. Here we go. I've got a plant here. This one here. It doesn't even need watering. It doesn't even... Wow, look at it. Look at it. It kind of reminds me of someone, actually. Have you ever planted a carrot? If you haven't, you don't know anything about factory farming. I grow my own vegetables. I grow my own fruit. I grow my own vegetables. I grow my own fruit. Do you want a medal, mate? Or what? We're having a discussion about, like, factory farming in the UK. Farms all the time. And anyway, what I did is I recorded the audio on my end. So if you... This is actually on their page. When you watch it on my channel, if you want to watch the whole thing, please do and please leave a comment. Then you'll notice that my audio is better because I recorded the audio on my end and there are some tricks to switching mics. No one's going to hear anything. No one's going to hear anything. So just shut up and let Gareth talk. His nonsense, please. Because I like passing the mic to Gareth because he represents the view that I want to be commonly held and he represents my bias. I'd like to just have a one-on-one debate with this Darren Grimes guy. That would be very satisfying. I'd like to know he's such a hypocrite and you'll find out soon why he's such a hypocrite. Use my vegetables on my plate and it does for my meat. One cow will feed many, many families for a long time. He said it takes more animals to die for the vegetables on his plate than it does for his meat. Hilarious, hilarious. He actually believes this nonsense. It's a number of animals killed to produce one million calories in eight food categories. I'm going to show you this actually. Wow. If you see the red line, the red line represents the slaughter and the this line represents harvest. But here's vegetables down here. Now milk is interesting because they didn't account for the slaughter of milk. Beef slaughter. Look at that from the harvest. Look at all the deaths from the harvest. If you're going to make a claim that the meat on your table causes less deaths than vegetables, that's an empirical sort of claim and you know, you want to have some data to back that up. I agree that that data there isn't the best, it's the best that exists though. And it's better than what data he's he's just making just some random claim without evidence. The amount of harvesting that goes on in the UK for cows, silage, pre-grain crops, they harvest hay, big hay bales. You ever go to any farm, right? And I've been to a few. There will be massive round hay bales at these farms because they're not just going to eat the grass off the ground. That's not how it works. Anywhere can just eat grass off the ground like enough to feed these cows for 2-3 years. You're going to say that harvesting vegan crops causes death and you're not going to say harvesting silage pre-dough crops and hay for cows causes death. One causes death and one doesn't and then you exploit and kill the cow on top of it. So you get your facts right, you're living in Cuckooland mate. Right guys, Matthew I got my facts right and I'm living in Cuckooland. I just wanted you guys to see the satisfied look on his face here. You need to get your facts right. You're living in Cuckooland mate. I don't even think factory farms exist in the UK. That's how I've got my facts straight. All the animals are out on the ground. As you can see, when you walk out in the UK, all you see is pigs and chickens everywhere. Pigs and chickens everywhere. Oh wait, no, it's just some lambs and a few cows here and there. Oh, where are the pigs and chickens? Oh, that's right. Factory farms actually exist here in the UK and they're disgusting. I completely didn't know that because I'm just stuck on my stuck on my lamb farm and I'm completely sheltered from the rest of farming in the UK or something. Do you actually think that this country is quite unique in buying these forms of meat and farming that are actually of detriment to both the environment and indeed animals? Because we are painless as being the nation of animal lovers, aren't we? Well, I'm kind of in between there. You know, I think some people will always eat meat and I don't think I wouldn't stay by on anything, but at the same time, personally I would not be known in history as someone who just bowed down like an apologist and took some, it took some comfortable middle ground. That's not me and that will never be me. At the same time, there's an environmental cost. Animals don't want to die and as Joey says, chickens are stuck in battery farms. That's cruel. I mean, that's full stop. You can't argue that that's not cruel. Well, I know I would totally agree with that North sentiments as well. That's why I think there would be broad agreement. What a liar and a hypocrite. Like, Darren, I see straight through you. I see straight through you. Or that's where we have broad agreement. Like, yeah, it is cruel. Shut up. You're not interested in what is cruel. He says he won't stop eating meat. I actually worry that ban and promotional offers on meat does mean that people are going to really struggle because as you say Matthew, people are not just going to stop eating meat, are they? I'm certainly not. See? He's not concerned about what's moral or not. That was just that there was textbook lip service what he just did then because he would look like an ass if he just said, yeah, like who can argue with that battery cages with hands? Who can argue with that? And he's like, yeah, no, we will have broad agreement there. Like, you know, that's lip service. That's lips. You don't care about. I just spent five minutes talking about factory farming. The animals dying on their faces and you were laughing. You were laughing. Smiling. You know what I mean? I'm not concerned with this. This is this is like your see-through. You're absolutely see-through. See straight through you. You don't care about animal cruelty. You're too busy in your own political world, you know, to care about what's going on inside factory farms. Did not care whatsoever. And then he said, people aren't just going to I'm not going to stop eating meat. I'm not. So even if it was the cruelest thing on earth, right? You won't stop eating it. Okay. That's consistent. Well, I mean, the cheap protein comes from chicken, but you know, the studies I mentioned earlier on say that you know, not eating meat is cheaper than eating meat. No matter what level of society you're at, it's an education thing. The government needs to educate people out of cook and during the pandemic, people learn out of cook. They didn't go out. They didn't, you know, eat their steak in the restaurant. You know, during the war people lived healthier because they didn't get much meat. They didn't get much sugar. They had a government controlled diet. I'm not saying have a government controlled diet but people need, because people should have a choice. But at the same time because people get to chew, they get to eat, the big cost on the NHS. There's nothing that makes me more frustrated when someone say people should have a choice. When you talk about fairness and justice, right, if you just give one group of the moral community a choice and that choice will explain and suffering on another group of the moral community, which are non-human animals who are also sentient and deserve moral consideration, that is not fair. Okay, now if you're going to apply the choice theory then you should apply it consistently and say, hey well let's try to analyse what the animals would choose here. They can't speak with language, but let's just look at it from a sentient conscious cow's point of view. What would their choice be as a conscious individual who could experience the world? Would they choose to be on Garrus Farm and go to a slaughterhouse to be shot in the head and have their head cut off so that another person can choose to eat their body? Or would their choice conflict with the choice of the meat eater? Whose choice has more value in this situation? Is it the animal who would choose to live? Who would choose not to have their entire food? Or is it a human being who's just choosing to have a burger today? It's going to be a 5 minute meal and they're going to flush it down the toilet and forget about it. Whose choice has a little bit more weight and whose choice should we focus on a little bit more? A lot more actually. I think it's the animal's choice to live and not to be exploited and killed. Do you know what I mean? So this is the hypocrisy of this choice thing we should have a choice. The oppressor should have first choice over who we eat of course. It's always the oppressor's choice. I've got a few more analogies I could make but I think I'll just leave it there because I might get carried away. That's the important point for me because the animals deserve a choice not to go into a slaughterhouse to have their head cut off for a sandwich. That is disgusting and we're talking about 2022. We're still cutting off little lamb's heads for a steak or a lamb shop. What is this? This is not civil. Did you see Gareth little I'm making a point about choice here and about the animals will choose this is actually one of the favourite things to me that I said in this entire discussion. Because this Gareth guy people will just look at him like this wholesome farmer. If we checked out the slaughterhouses that Gareth is going to I bet you it's just a blood bath suffering animals dying in their own blood just sickening. It's just a horrible, horrible place. But he's there smiling when I'm saying this. Disgusting and we're talking about 2022. We're still cutting off little lamb's heads for a steak or a lamb shop. What is this? This is not civil. Well here we go Darren Grimes he's going to jump in extreme rationale and next level logic. What is it? So what are we supposed to eat instead? What would you like us to actually get our protein from? Wow Darren thanks for your insight there mate. Actually Darren you have just made me realise something that I've never considered. There would be nothing else to eat if we didn't chop off the heads of little lambs. I'm sorry we are in a dire survival situation Darren and we do need to cut off the heads of millions of lambs a year otherwise poor people will die of starvation. There will be nothing to eat if we can't eat you know Garrett's Welsh lamb that is 8 pounds a kilo from the heavens of the Welsh you know Highlands like are you serious dude? Like this is what I mean like people like this Darren dude they sit there right like all intellectual and all this stuff like you can't rub two pieces of logic together right just because you're educated in a certain field which might be politics or conservative politics or whatever you get into that does not mean that you're all that smart all that sharp because or you're just completely or you are or it's this because I'll find that harder to believe that you're not you're actually that stupid. I honestly think maybe you are smart enough to know there's other things to eat right but because you don't want to eat anything else and because you're clouded by your conservative little traditional values bias right and the British farmers bias that you don't want to even consider any other option and you just want to put it back on me and go what's he gonna say eat lettuce or something or like here we go he's gonna say to eat those vegan burgers oh wait for this you know so I don't know which one it is it's a bit difficult for me maybe you're just plain dumb but if you're not then hell I don't know how you got that job mate sitting in that chair if you don't know that there's other things to eat for protein other than murdered animals it's 2022 like this isn't a discussion that's happening in 1970 you know very good question I appreciate that I've been vegan nearly 10 years and I whole grains beans, legumes, fruits and vegetables local fruits and vegetables you know there's no problem getting all the nutrients you need you can supplement B12 you don't have to stab a lamb in the throat to get B12 out of their blood and you can live perfectly healthy without having a billion chickens in factory farms and so so how rude of him how rude of him to interrupt me there good on you Darren good on you Darren come on my channel we'll see if you can get away with that just really rude and disrespectful I'm finishing my point and it did lead back to the chickens in factory farms and the slaughterhouses for what I was saying I was saying you can get all the nutrients you need without having a billion chickens in factory farms and slaughterhouses in the UK so it actually followed my point what I was trying to say and you don't even need to eat local fruits and vegetables in order to be a vegan people think just because it's not local it's like evil or something so if you drive 30 minutes that way there's a factory farm with chickens dying on their faces it's 30 minutes away it's local so would you say you're better off buying local chicken for me I could buy local chicken then it is to buy lentils from Europe like are you silly of course I don't want local chicken chickens Garith should we actually buy cheap meat yeah we've heard about chickens Joey let me just keep my little love child boy on Garith here to see what he's got to say we love it Garith here at GB news he's the only voice we ever have on actually he's the voice for all of England actually there's Garith guy Garith Welsh lives in like some Welsh Snowdonia which is like a resort he's living in some fantasy land how the hell does this guy represent English people you know what I mean like I've probably got him more in common with your average English person than Garith does he's got no idea he's got an absolute joke he's got no idea all the animals are out on the grass of course they are where is food coming from how many creatures are dying I know because I'm a farmer I'm in that field I see what dies for me to produce my salads this is the most hilarious part he's a father he's out of this field he sees what all the animals that have to die for his salad right let's go to his Facebook page I want to show you oh mate Garith check out Garith's nutritious British breakfast here mate look at that nutrition carcinogen bacon is a type 1 class 1 carcinogen classified by the World Health Organization look at that cholesterol bomb well time to refuel you're not going to be with us much longer Garith if you keep refueling like that and then he's calling me little Joey again he's got a head that looks similar to my toe I just want to show you his vegetable plot that he was saying because let's just think about this right so he literally said I'm a farmer right I know exactly how many animals have to die for my lettuce and that look at him sucking on that titty juice no wonder he's acts like such a child that can't have an adult discussion without like laughing and throwing insults he's drinking breast milk this is my vegetable plot this is my vegetable plot down here you can see it little Joey wouldn't be able to get his little twingeily little city arms into this vegetable plot as I drink my milk and I've got like the murdered skin of a cow's bottom on my head he's wearing a dead cow's ass on his head as a hat right like imagine if that was human skin on his head right and he was wearing it as a hat this guy is wearing the skin of a murder victim on his head as a fashion item I've got potatoes in since January the majority of the badge feed my family well you know Gareth you're a soldier you're an absolute icon English hero how many animals do you reckon you kill in your little potato plot there mate I can see them all actually imagine harvesting that how many animals would die like heaps man God you probably killed a worm you probably killed one worm for all those potatoes how many potatoes how many animals do you think die harvesting potatoes are you serious you don't think mice know to run away when they hear some adult human in the field with a big machine it's just crazy like he expects us to believe right that he kills a bunch of animals just growing potatoes or lettuce none of this land could grow food so what does that mean you have to put lambs on there you know like you're making a bunch of money off the lambs on that land you know do you have to deforest and put animals on there you can grow enough plant but you need magnitudes less land to get more calories right you can get more calories from magnitudes less land when you grow plant foods and in the Joseph poor study they found that you could reduce the earth's farmland by 75% and still feed the population the same amount of calories if we all just went plant based how crazy is that like in the Joseph poor study they found that 83% of farmland is used for animal agriculture, meat and dairy and it only provides 18% of calories you know what I mean like 18% of calories for 83% of farmland none of this land could grow food for Joey and his gang because it's intermediate land it's a poorer land that you'd get on the lowlands and what it's ideal for is to grow grass for grazing their animals and for us to produce top quality protein and we're getting you know it's just an advocate need like Joey and his gang wouldn't be able to grow their food on there you're growing potatoes up there dude how on earth are you growing potatoes up there Gareth what are you saying can't grow potatoes that's hilarious never take what they say for face value right because of course he's going to say that you can't grow plants on this land you know what I mean let me just have a quick squeeze of his land it's absolutely massive this is Gareth true hero are you telling me that you could not put potatoes in those fields like why not can anyone answer me this how on earth is he able to grow them at his house but he's not able to grow them here like what does it matter with this land is it because they can't get a tractor in he's got like a four wheeler beside the point I don't really care if you can or can't grow food on this land I don't believe that's true look at that look how flat that is but let's just say there's a bunch of land you can't grow crops on them irrelevant I don't care it doesn't matter I don't think we should listen to farmers about what's arable and what's not because they don't actually care because they're not interested in changing at all I just find it really hard to believe someone who's got such a heavy bias into stabbing animals in the neck for his own financial gain we're getting top dollar at the moment and people are supporting us we're getting top dollar at the moment what is it about see top dollar you're getting top dollar and the debate was on whether or not it's okay to stop promoting cheap meat to people because poor people aren't going to get enough food and all you're worried about is top dollar mate you're not worried about feeding the population and helping poor people and feeding the people from the land and doing all these noble things you're interested in top dollar that's what you're interested in top dollar it's really really good that we're getting the message out there everyone just drinks titty juice filled with pus straight down his throat oh my god it's like I want to vomit watching that but getting the message out there what you have to advocate they're acting like activists getting the message out there you have to advocate so hard for meat and dairy because it's on its last legs mate I'm telling you people are going to actually realise how sickening it is to eat blood flesh and secretions from animals I just think it's a dying industry I honestly think it's a dying industry and he's trying his hardest to advocate for its so nutritious what he is is a salesman he's a salesman trying to sell his product how much more do I have to prove vested interest so he's promoting these body parts because he sells them because they are a product to him that's why he's just recommending it so much it's so nutritious it's sustainable it's really really good for you here we are eating lamb I'm eating my product here it's such a great product if he was a car salesman he was just going to say look at this Lamborghini best Lamborghini most efficient Lamborghini it could be a polished crap but of course he's a salesman he's going to sell it they want to die more animals die for lettuce definitely then sheep all these lies to get you to buy the product the interest in what sells their product and what keeps their industry afloat and what keeps the money pouring into his pocket I see how many animals die for my tomatoes it's like huge amounts man maybe a few insects come and they have to put like some white dust on there so they don't eat the plant when are you killing animals to protect a tomato plant wouldn't you usually have tomatoes inside like a little green house or something you can grow them inside and that like he's just tripping out he's just tripping out like so many animals die for tomatoes like prove it show me how many animals die we know about pesticides pesticides usually protect plants anyway there's not just like a bunch of insects on the plants and they spray animal they spray them with the pesticides it stops insects and animals from getting to the plants but anyways like so many more animals die because of animal agriculture it's insane the fish the farmed fish who eat plants they eat all of these like canola seeds and things like that they feed put in the fish food so they're growing and cultivating crops to feed to farmed fish they're growing and cultivating crops in the UK which is they're probably generating the crop usage in the UK like I think 57% of the soy beans imported to the UK are imported from Brazil and I think the biggest consumer of soy from Brazil in the UK is chickens fairly sure chickens are the biggest driver one of the biggest drivers of deforestation you know what I mean and the reason I'm saying that is whenever I'm talking about animals eating crops any of the crop related harm you have to add that onto the actual killing of the animal as well into the equation chickens eat a bunch of soy which had to be harvested and sprayed pesticide so when you're eating a piece of chicken you're also eating everything that chicken ate when you're eating a piece of steak you're eating all the water, all the hay all the silage that was harvested and dairy cows they demand more energy because they're producing milk so they eat more silage and hay and water and all these things just to get your little glass of milk it's just a stupid use of land and water and resources everything will have a death toll on it and Joey sits there as the perfect person that thinks that he's saving in Manchester buying his local produce he's never grown anything you can't even string a sentence to sit together Gareth mate what are you trying to say I can't even follow you you think you're the perfect person did I come out to this bait and go hey I'm the perfect person I don't think one insect has died because I live when have I ever said that I'm not stupid but he's strawmaning me he's building a strawman argument to attack because he can't attack my argument so he's going to build a nice little strawman hey look I'll create a fake argument that Joey has never said and then I'll attack that argument because I can't attack his argument what else did he say there's too many things to count actually he's never put his hands in the soil that's the one you know what mate like hey unless you've put your hands in the soil you don't know how to debate factory farming in the UK are you serious so if I go out there and stick my hands in some soil then all of a sudden I come in I go hey Gareth I've got dirty hands mate my hands have been in the soil can you listen to my arguments now can you listen to the research I've just tried to explain to you no? oh so it's nothing to do with me putting my hands in my soil what have I said to you I've got a garden out the back Gareth I've got a little what have I pulled this out do you know how many animals died for this Buddha to have hair trust me bro hilarious it's like your argument the strength or validity of your argument is contingent on whether or not you've stuck your hands in the soil it wouldn't matter if I'd never seen the soil I would still know more about farming than you like obviously I've been in a bunch of factory farms you know what I mean a bunch of them I don't even know if Gareth ever stepped foot in a broiler shed you know what I mean if he has he's keeping that quiet then he's a liar he's hiding the truths from people because if you walk through these broiler farms you're going to see dead dying chickens everywhere just common so common dying birds breathing on their last breath on their faces in factory farms all over the UK just go into a random one and you tell me what you see absolute nonsense this guy you can't do you grow carrots if you don't grow carrots you don't know what you're talking about you haven't got no understanding of agriculture farming and how important livestock is so basically I had my mic rolling so if you go to my channel you can hear what I said and what I said to him is that the plants that the animals eat have a death toll to them as well you know what I mean because he wasn't going to let me talk anyway so he had to talk over this guy and you see Darren Grimes is nodding like yep thanks Gareth you're our golden boy Gareth chugging milk like Gatorade with your bloody potato field where apparently you can't grow crops you know see you can't grow crops he's got a potato field apparently he grows a bunch of crops like lettuce because he knows how many animals die for lettuce and tomatoes but at the same time you can't grow crops on his land you can only grow lambs and stab them to death and you know actually when he grows tomatoes he's killing way more animals than when he actually just kills a bunch of lambs every year and he doesn't equate how many crops actually are fed to animals in animal agriculture which actually bump up the death toll by a whole bunch but yeah, keep going mate why is that a bad thing like why is it a bad thing to have synthetic fertilizer like that's what I'm wondering about is it really bad to synthetically introduce nitrogen and stuff into the soil like I don't know and there are organic farmers in that that do their thing but I just don't know if it's such a bad thing to synthetically introduce nutrients into the soil like maybe there are negative ways to do it and maybe there are ways that are just like pretty neutral like not much different I don't know why you need animal manure to do all this and anyway we would need far less crops and far less manure if we all went plant based anyway because most of the crop land and farmland has been used for animal agriculture so you'd need less manure and less synthetic fertilizer does he think that all this synthetic fertilizer has been used for vegans who make up who thinks of the minority we're three to five percent right but we're using all this animal manure for all of our crops no all the animal manure most of the animal manure has been put on to crops that are then being fed back to the animals you know seeing as the vast majority of farmland is used for animals you know what I'm saying so any problem he's talking about when it comes to plant farming would be greatly minimized if we all ate plants anyway we need resources to produce those plants and this land and everything so anyways but you try to explain this to Gareth like he just sees it any argument with facts and logic as a Rubik's cube that he just can't solve we need our livestock we need our manure more than ever to go forward to grow our vegetables, to grow our salads to grow our crops he doesn't understand this he has to start to listen to the people he can every single day because that's what farmers are doing we're feeding you joy wow Mike drop Gareth we're feeding you joy you're not feeding me any of your lambs mate you don't grow crops for people you said you grow the fruits and vegetables for yourself you're not feeding me anything I'm not eating your chopped up murdered baby lambs and that's what I said do you need slaughterhouses forget this slaughterhouse just forget the slaughterhouse they never like advocating for slaughterhouses are they they always just advocate for our product Gareth I don't know if Gareth does or does not but most of the time they just put the animals on the truck they take them to the slaughterhouse and they do the dirty work killing their his beloved animals he cares not for his animals anyway he doesn't really care thank you Gareth, Joey very briefly please last word to you reluctantly giving me the last word well in Manchester there's a gas chamber that kills pigs and they scream you can hear them screaming I don't know how you justify that by saying oh we need them a newer it doesn't mean you need to murder all those animals in slaughterhouses I mean you just like to avoid the slaughterhouse and a lot of people do people like Gareth they propagate humane lives to the public and they get sold this cheap meat disgusting in this country just like any other country and I'm an investigator I see it all the time and I see all these false advertisements and people just got to wake up now folks I don't know about you but I am not living the life of a hamster hilarious Darren you don't want to live the life of a hamster you know what I mean like you're saying all vegans are hamsters like we eat vegan burgers, vegan pizza, vegan burritos whatever we want vegan, vegan ice cream you know what I mean you're pretty funny mate like you're not living the life of a hamster you know the thing is what Darren is doing is he's just trying to satisfy his little traditional conservative audience he knows who his audience is and it's those traditional farming British nationalist everything Britain does is good and everything that is traditional should always stay traditional that's his audience he goes oh actually those vegans had a point he's never going to say that his job would depend on it actually on him not saying it so even if he agreed that I had good points in his own little mind I don't think he would have the backbone or courage to agree with any of those points because they go against the whole channel's bias his whole bias it goes against he thinks with this green extreme going on about this green extreme thing and anyways doesn't know anything about animal rights or anything about farming in the UK and that's very clear and he was quite actually quite rude and dismissive towards me but if they ever want round 2 happy to do round 2 that's my little response to that little response to Garrett there lamb is the most nutritious food on earth even though it's laden with cholesterol saturated fat and red meat is a class 2a carcinogen meaning it probably causes cancer and it's also just butchered lambs I mean I could show you all what happens to lambs in a slaughterhouse in the UK I don't want to terrify you and make you feel sick so I'm not going to but if you really if you really want to see what happens to lambs in the UK then you can just look up lambs slaughter footage watch how they get decapitated and skinned innocent little beings didn't ask to be born onto Gareth's farm that's for sure coming up I don't know how many poor little lambs are getting slaughtered for Easter but probably a lot and people are going to eat their little cut up little baby legs incredibly sickening and vile and you're not going to catch me on TV I don't care whose shoulder is just taking some middle ground not when it comes to this this is killing baby animals torturing stabbing them putting them in factory farms little baby chickens but you're not going to catch me that is not the activist I am and don't ever expect me to be that activist if you don't like my style that's fine don't watch me whatever I'm there to agitate and to create discussion and to talk speak the truth and I and I cut through the nonsense that's what my style of activism does there's plenty of fantastic activism from other activists who don't do that actually they're much more mild and much more likeable actually but I like to cut through and speak the truth for the animals because I don't want the movement to become too too apologetic about this topic I mean there's definitely a line that you need to you need to toe the line between being firm speak the truth and becoming just so welled up with aggression and anger where you're just not being hurt at all and you just you know that there is a there is a line but I don't think taking that especially when you're talking about something serious as the animal holocaust like this is a mess it's the most violent thing it's the most evil violent thing that causes the most suffering ever in existence you know what I mean? that's how bad it is and people don't think it's that bad because of people like Gareth you know there's this thing oh yeah it's all so human farming and they laugh at me when I speak just simple truths because of how how indoctrinated people are and how conditioned they are there we go Brett's got something to bring to the party Brett well mate meet is awesome you should get a job at GB news that's the most that's the type of argument they would really like to propagate is awesome that's the only argument you would need actually to wreck anyone that's all I've got to say I think I'm pretty much exhausted what I had to say on that matter but anyways guys catch us later I love you all thanks for your support and I'll speak to you soon