 Meeting, welcome to the Monday, March the 16th meeting of the Montpelier Design Review Committee. I will let since everyone is on the phone, I guess, through the conference call, I will let in to everyone introduce themselves. I think we lost Hannah. Yes. Sorry. No, I'm here. Hannah Smith. I approve the agenda. Eric Moos. All in favor of approving the agenda? I approve. Speak one by one. I approve Stephen Everett. I approve. Martha. I approve. Lynn. I approve. Hannah. Okay. We'll move forward to the applicants. We will skip 89 Main Street, the skinny pancake, since no one is there. We'll move to 7 Main Street. Armilla properties, Sharon Wendt for a new sign. Is Sharon there? No. This is John Miller. I'm working very hard. Okay. Thank you, John. Describe your sign. Yes. It's very simple. It's a digital print of her identification graphic, which includes a graphic of the state of Vermont with an interesting border that is to read as a 7. Generation Vermont logo. I've never seen it before, but I guess that's part of her identification. And those, the trim is in green. The lettering is black. It's got a faded, a fade of a tan background. The picture you have, it printed kind of green, but there's also a picture showing both signs on the wall that's closer to the color, but not a very good print either. It looks like the, it looks like the larger print, but instead of the only green that's in the graphics in the background is a tan. And then to bring it up a little, we put an anodized color. About a three quarter inch by three quarter inch aluminum anodized frame around it, which brings the whole thing to about three quarters of an inch thick, 14 inches by 24 inches. Quite small and balances nicely with the one on the other side of the doorway, which we also did. Finish is matte. Behind the sign, there will be some studs that attach to the frame that will go into mortar joints. We'll be covering some nasty holes that are already there, but we won't be making any new ones. Thank you. Sounds good. The address, is that right? Yes. Yes. It's the depot building. The depot building. It's the stairs right on main next to Sardu cheese. And across from the Shaw's. Oh, okay. Okay. Citizen Frank is in there and then Sharon's on the second floor. So the doorway kind of brackets the stair, the stairwell. Yes. Okay. I know where it is. Yeah. Thank you. I have no problems with the sign. It looks pretty well balanced too with what is already there. The challenge is making it look good on brick, which I think it does. The frame sets it off nicely. Yes. It looks very nice. What the criteria are, I can read through them if you want because you don't have a copy of the recommendation form. That's okay. I think we're familiar with it. Okay. If we had any one of the criteria if need be, but in this particular case, I don't think we need to unless any. Nope. Thank you. I might do, since we don't have any, it sounds like there's no recommendations or optional changes or anything. I'll fill out the acceptable and not applicable since things like lighting and landscaping clearly are not applicable here. I'll fill this out on the sheet and then set an electronic copy so that Steve can sign it and the applicant can sign it and then get it back to our office. Okay. That sounds good. Perfect. Do we want to bring this to a vote? I think that's good. Yes. Got it. Okay. Do you need anything else? I think I'm, I think we're good. I think that solves that one. And I'll send it around the paperwork tomorrow. Okay. That sounds good. So John, that would be an administrative permit, but we'll need your signature on the recommendation form first, but we can take that, you know, you can sign it and then scan it back to us. Perfect. Thank you all much. Thank you. Thank you, John. Living in the future. Glad you could do it. Glad you could make this work. Well, good. Thank you again. Unless anybody has anything else, we can move to the next application for 58 Berry Street. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So do we have. This is for the do get covered. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. Community covered. Wonderful. In front of the building at Berry Street. Yes. This is Beth Russnock and Jess Russo. We're both on the line. Hello. As in Sam. And as in Nancy OCK. And I apologize. I'm in the car. So forgive my connection. That's okay. And who else? Who else is there? Jessica Russo. Meredith, did you get both of those? I did. Thank you. Okay. Describe the Cupboard under the Pergola. Certainly. So this is Beth. Again, we really appreciate you looking at this. It's a short notice. The do get covered will be placed right under the Pergola as people are walking into the Montpelier Senior Activity Center at 58 Berry Street. For easy access. We've been working with Arnie McMullen on this. Is this going to be fastened down? Yes. So where it will be is it will actually sit on very small footings about one one inch. It will be fastened down to perhaps and against the Pergola itself. So it will be stable. The do get covered. The doors are plexiglass. So they're not glass. And it's creative wood. I believe that you have an image of what it will look like. Yeah. So it will actually sit on part of one of the benches right now as folks are going into the Senior Activity Center. And again, it will be fastened to the Pergola itself for stability. How big is it? The dimensions are this is just so the dimensions are it's approximately 13 and a half wide and 32 to 33 height. That's the actual side of the cupboard. Much wider than 13 and a half inches wide. Sorry. This is Meredith. Yeah. 13 and a half going to be wider than it is tall. If that was your question. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And then it's deep enough so that it can hold non perishable items and things like diapers and hygiene products. Nice. I think it might look better if you centered it on the post. Mm hmm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's pretty much an agreement. I would also encourage you to use the darkest green on the cupboard. I know you want it to be noticeable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want it to be noticeable, but I think it would look nice if the green were as dark as possible. Okay. Also you're on the street, so the darker the color you make it, the less it'll show dirt and dust from traffic going by on the street. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It's a darker green below on the pergola. It could match that. We were actually going to use our corporate color, our green, which is a little bit lighter. I don't have the PMS, which we're happy to share with you, but if you prefer that it be a darker green, that's no problem. You're not. Are you putting a corporate logo or a list of people anywhere on it? Yeah. So we actually have a signage on the front of the cupboard just so people can see what the actual cupboard is, which they do good cupboard. And then by the handles of the door, it has a message that says take what you need, leave what you can. And then on the side of the cupboard, so it's visible to all, we want to put do good cupboard. This cupboard is a gift to the community from National Life Group in partnership with the city of Montpelier, Allen Lumber and St. Peter's Feed the Children, Heart and Soul Ministry, college men to everybody that has helped participate with the cupboard. The letters right now are white. It doesn't make any difference. It's just we ought to have a look at that. Yeah, we were just seeing white, so it was stand out on the green. Corporate color, but I would encourage you to go a couple of shades darker on the green. Again, just to make it a little more attractive, again, considering the location and the traffic and the dust that's generated. Okay. Does anyone else have any suggestions or questions? Yeah, it's John. Steve is done. Just. Oh, this is done. Okay, this is just Meredith. I just want to make sure when I'm filling these out are the centering and the darker green recommendations or optional changes? I would say it's recommendations. I think it'll look sharper. Both with where it's centered and the darker color. Perfect. Thank you. Okay, so I think maybe it's, if nobody else has anything to say, maybe it's a move for some emotion for approval or with those recommendations. Yes. Let's have a vote. Stephen says yes. Erica, yes. This is Martha. I am really impressed by national life contributions to the community, but I just can't say yes. I'm going to say no. Hannah says yes. Okay. Then the vote is four to one. So it passed. Just for your know, was your know under any of the evaluation criteria? So we have preservation or reconstruction of appropriate historic style, harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district. Compatibility of materials. Not, not specifically narrative. I can't think of a specific category. It just doesn't seem to me to be something that blends in with that area. Okay. So maybe incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials. If we go with incompatible design, something along those lines. Something along those lines. Okay. And the harmony of exterior design with other properties, maybe, maybe those two, two and five. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Commendations. And then circulate the form for Steve's signature and Beth's. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you very much for coming, coming through. Thank you. We really appreciate it again. Thank you. And I'd like to ask you to introduce the first application for 27 Langdon Street. Here before, but maybe just describe what you're here for now that we've got an official application. That's you. Hi everybody, my name's Javier Jimenez and I'm one of the co-owners of books, people at records at 27 Langdon Street. I'm one of the second donors. And I am here for a design review for new signage and an altered bracket. the bracket is in pretty good condition. Are you going to paint it or anything? The bracket, um, it was not, it wasn't, um, I got no counsel or recommendations to paint it and it's honest. This is the first time it's come up as, as an option or consideration, but I think it's black. It doesn't seem like it's oxidized at all. Yeah, this is Martha. Um, I remember you're coming in before and we had discussed about whether or not you might shorten that pole. Is that part of your plan? Okay. By how much? Uh, what's legal, which is essentially, I believe, two feet in. So it's, um, the left side is within three feet from the wall. Yeah, Martha, if you look to the, at the next to the last, um, page in the application packet, um, it's the last part of this application. You can see where the bracket is cut back. So it's actually behind where the record sticks out from the, um, sign. So that shows where the bracket is going to be cut to. Is my understanding. Is that right? Javier? All right. Yeah, uh, eight, seven. Thank you. You're welcome. One on the committee. Have any questions or recommendations? Is there a thing just flying? A nice looking sign, actually. Anyone else have any comments? Because you're using the existing bracket. It's just being shortened and mounting a new sign. Correct. Unless anybody else has anything to offer, we can actually vote on this one. Again, knowing what the criteria are, it seems to fit in almost every category. Okay. Eric, go ahead. Hi. Okay. I vote yes as well. This is Martha. I vote yes. And Liz. Yes. Hannah votes yes. Okay. The sign is approved. Thank you. Javier, as Blake, just like with everybody else, we'll get you a copy of the form and you'll just need to sign it, get it back to us, and then we'll issue the permit. Okay. Uh, thank you, Meredith. And thank you for everybody, everybody for making this happen. Under all of what's out there in the world, I appreciate everybody's time and willingness. Thank you very much for participating. Thank you. This is Meredith. Would you be willing to hang on for a minute while I try and reach the applicant for the skinny pancake application? Okay, I'm going to go give them a call and see if I can get them to call in. I'll be right back. If you want to change down three, I can't hear it, but I do know it's a call. Can't reach him on the phone unless people are willing to hang around while I try and email him and reach him that way. That makes sense to do that. I don't really want to do that, but this is a preview. I'm going to have a hard time voting for that. That is going to be a tough one. I know that they say there's no other viable alternative, but there's got to be some other way to keep that off the face of that building, but in any case, we can table that till the next meeting. So you saw the very last thing in that application is a plan to have it painted, the last items on there. Yes. And so that is the color scheme. Sorry, I can't remember the artist's name. She's been doing the mural work like up in Burlington. And so this was that kind of geometric multi-color scheme going on the ductwork was their idea for what they could do to make it more of a public art piece. Yes. So the new ductwork that would go up the side of the building, right, that they've got something along the lines of the geometric artwork that you see in the last item, last part of that application package where it's shown on the inside with the multicolors. It looks mostly triangles. That would be painted on the outside of the ductwork. Even if it's not the greatest building in the world. I'm not sure it adds anything to the dignity of the building. Or the downtown. I agree too. And also if the guy doesn't show up for the meeting. We don't kind of see for more people. So there's almost no point in coming to the meeting, you know. He may be thinking that. Or based on what the four people say they wouldn't approve it. How about Martha, Liz and Hannah? Liz says no. This is Hannah. I guess I really, I wouldn't say yes without having a better idea of what, I mean the geometric design that they presented just seems like sort of a hypothetical. So I wouldn't vote yes without having a better idea of what they're really planning to do. It's really tough that they do the crossover. And that makes it way worse. That unfortunately is a function of the building. The fact that the windows on the third and second floor never lined up. I think it would set a terrible precedent. Which is a gateway entrance. It's a tough. Hannah, is it, Hannah, would you say, was there any yeses or was Hannah's an abstaining or a no? Well mine's currently a no. I wouldn't vote yes today. So I guess right this time I'm voting no. I'm not going to abstain. If you snuck up the side of the building, it's like a big snake. I'll just make a tone of voice. Sometimes a little different. Do we actually have a quorum? Oh we do. Awesome. Minutes in front of me. So I can't really vote. Okay so that was me. It was me, Mark. This is Hannah. That was nice to have that in person on doing that more often. I just heard on the TV that this is likely to go on until after future meetings. Applications for design review or development review board. And the city has, by planning director and everybody else, even if we had applications, we're not holding any hearings through the month of April. And it's going to be reevaluating as time goes forward. You know, we'll be in touch. We'll keep everybody updated. We do, we are moving towards, especially for design review committee, having more online meetings. So even if things are difficult in a month or so, we might be able to have a Zoom meeting where you all log in on your computers. And we can see each other and share a screen so that everybody can look at the application and even change control over who has it, if somebody wants to talk about something in particular. So we're going to do our best and try and make business happen, even if we can't all get together in the same room. I've done that for a while. That's great. Can I move adjournment? I need. One last quick. One last. We had to cancel up the last minute. It's hard.