 Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening to everyone here on the call for the community outreach revamp kickoff part two. Here we go. We had a call last week and it went really well. We had like 16, 17 people show up and today we have 10 and I see new faces. So that is super cool. I'm going to drop a link here in the chat. This is where we have notes and things for these meetings. So you're welcome to jump in there today and put your name under the attendees or I need to sign in. I don't see myself. Okay. All right, okay. All right, cool. So put your name as an attendee there and you'll see some other notes as well under today's meeting but we can, we'll get to that a little bit later. I want to do a round of quick introductions for the people who are on the call. Just your name and how you're involved with Fedora or why you're here. So my name is Marie Norton. I'm Fedora's Community Action Impact Coordinator and I'm here to make things happen. All right. I will call down the list just so there's no confusion. Hi, Marie. Hi, everyone. I'm Akash, people may know me as Toxicoder with two zeroes at O's. So I started Fedora writing a documentation for NVIDIA Optimus settings but then on I moved on to the class in session for get 101 with Fedora and then I've been helping with stuff in there with mostly needs effects and for repositories stuff like that. Thank you. All right. Justin, I know he said he's cooking breakfast but if you would like to introduce yourself, go ahead. Yeah. Hey, my name is Justin. I've been a contributor for the last five years and I've been an ambassador from North America since 2017. I do a couple of different things around the Fedora community. Just happy to be a part of this conversation and see some action looking forward on ambassador. So looking forward to the conversation today. Cool. Thanks, Justin. Marianna. Hi, everyone. My name is Marianna. I am an contributor since late 2016, our new 2017. I am based in Toronto and I am part of the ambassador's revamp initiative process called it however you like. Marianna is a co-lead. All right. Next is Radka. Greetings, humans. My name is Radka. I'm a dotnet co-quality engineering lead at Red Hat and in Fedora I was a member of various groups. We also packaged dotnet for Fedora, which by the way we have succeeded to fully build it from source even for I'm 64 and for 33. I'm also a member of ambassador's group for a couple of years. And I'm sad to not see some of these faces in person. Yes, I agree with that. Also wonderfully short plug. I loved it. Next is excuse me if I mess up your the pronunciation. It's in Carson. Carson? Yes, question on this. Okay. So I'm a Fedora ambassador from India. I've been an ambassador in the Fedora project from pretty much the time ambassador started as a concept. So yeah, one of those old ones. I've been inactive and pretty much not doing anything for the past two to two and a half years. And that and I got excited about the conversation in the previous meeting and some chats with Sumantra and Vipul that I thought like, okay, I'll see what's happening and if I could get active and be of use again. I am really excited you're here. You have some historical knowledge for us to tap into. So thank you for being on the call today. Next is Sayak. Hey everyone, I'm Sayak Sarkar. So I am a contributor to Fedora. I've been a contributor for active one for the last couple of years and I've been around the community for quite some time now and also I'm pretty much interested in open source communities and everything that goes around. So I'm happy to help. Thank you. All right. Next is Sylvia. Okay. Oh, my name is Sylvia. I've been ambassador since 2015. I worked with translations and writing articles in Fedora magazine. At the moment, I'm helping with QA team. She flew with KDE because I use KDE. So I tried to test as much as possible. Well, that's it. I'm happy to be here. Sylvia, you also moderate that Fedora group, right? I'm telling you, which is a lot of work. That's a lot of work. So thank you for doing that. All right. Next we have, next we have Sumantro. Hey folks, I'm Sumantro. I am a Fedora QA community lead, so-called engineer. And apparently I've been in this role for about four years and I'm an ambassador for about three years. Some question is my mentor. So thanks to him for giving me the guidance whenever required. If you guys can hear me better now, I have been in this Fedora ambassador for last three years. Some question has been my mentor and he has guided me through all. So I'm the co-lead for the temporary task force and hopeful to work with everyone of you as a volunteer, as a participant, as someone who can give us information about historic past and guidance in the right direction. So yeah, that's pretty much it. Thanks, Sumantro. Next we have Vipul. Hello. I started as QA contributor, moved to Pakistan. Now I maintain Fedora CI infrastructure and general infrastructure. That's it. Some questions sponsored me to ambassador group. I don't remember how many years ago it was, but it was definitely not. It was after sometime when Sumantro became an ambassador. I'll say that. Relative time. So yeah, it's really good to see some questions here and in fact all of you. So I'm very glad to be here. Thanks. Thanks Vipul. Last but not least, Alberto. Hi everyone. I'm Alberto. I'm ambassador since two years ago, maybe. I'm here for help. So Vipul. Awesome. Thank you everyone for joining us today. So the first meeting, I really took a lot of time to talk about some of the history and the background. I'm going to just rain that into like two minutes and I want to focus on making this meeting just a little bit more interactive and maybe, well not maybe, I'm ready to assign some tasks and hopefully get some stuff rolling, right? So really quick. This is something that I've known about for years. Everyone kind of talks about the ambassador program. It's long-standing and at one point it was like really flourishing and it's even been modeled after in other communities. So along the way, things kind of hit a lot of road bumps and different things happened that kind of brought the decline of the program. So I came on. I had some things to help me along a lot of these stories and I wrote up a proposal. So the MindShare committee approved that proposal with some edits and I've been working with the co-leads, Marianna and Simantro to kind of get things organized. We have actually a lot of things rolling already and very cool news. We are working on making this a Fedora objective. So I think it's going to be an awesome Fedora objective because so many of us are going to be working on it so hands-on. We have this team but then there's tasks that are going to be going to a lot of the teams within MindShare. So that's kind of a general summary. If anyone has specific questions, we can kind of do an open floor at the end. But I'm going to guide this a little bit right now. I know that Google Meet doesn't save the chat so I'm just going to drop the HackMD clink in one more time. Make sure everyone has that. The first thing I really want to talk about today is we could talk about it if you care to speak up but we can also just jump into this HackMD. Think about how you are able to contribute or how it could be a skill set that you have now or it could be something that you want to improve. Other people on the team can kind of mentor you with that. So you'll see TTF skill sets, desired areas of contribution. So this is just to get an idea of what different skills we have on the team. And this will help the co-leads and myself delegate work and to make the projects more success and also to make sure that you guys are fulfilled in the work that you're doing. So just drop into the HackMD. I see Syac has put some stuff in here. And I'm not signed in on Chrome but I am on Firefox. The tab struggle is real. So I put in there project management design. I want to help with the marketing plan. So maybe we should go around and talk about how we might want to contribute. So Mariana do you want to go next? As you might have already noticed I have not added anything on the HackMD but I can add some of my skills which include project management, content creation, content creation and outreach. You are muted. No. It wouldn't be a meeting without that. How about Radka? I'm curious how you would like to contribute to the project. Well, somewhat related to Ambassador Space that I am responsible for Fedora on Reddit and Discord. And there is a way I can help on those platforms. I think that's awesome. Okay. So this is also a thing that we're going to be doing today in Interactive Thing which is what do you think an ambassador does in 2020? What does it mean to be like a modern tech ambassador or basically a digital ambassador? And I think that the communities that you're working with, the Reddit community, etc., like those are definitely places we should be and we should be making content for. So I think having you involved in this conversation is great and actually I want to add it onto I'm going to copy this and bring it up here. It's kind of hard to do with a lot of people in here. Okay. So what does a Fedora ambassador do? I just copied and pasted that under today's notes. So I guess we could say something like keep a presence or foster a presence on social media platforms. I think that's different than promoting Fedora on social media. Like fostering a presence in a community is different. Cool. So I guess I want to call on the old wise one. Thank you, Irsin. How would you like to contribute to this project in the year 2020 here? So honest confession, I have moved away from doing Fedora things for over a year now. So there's going to be a lot of relearning and understanding what the new direction asks of me. What I put on the HackMD is skills or areas in which I'm good at and I can either contribute myself or help others get up to speed with those which include if somebody wants to as an ambassador create working demos of various components in Fedora that make sense and get people interested. I can help work on use cases person as and build that stuff. So it's more developer focused, perhaps. But again, it goes back to the thing that I have a lot to learn. Cool. Thank you. I feel like we should always keep that mindset. There's always a lot to learn, right? Syak, I'm curious how you would like to... Oh, Mariana, did you have something? I sometimes want to share the Trello link because people might get some ideas on anything they might want to add on the back of the HackMD. Just give me one second to find the link. Okay, Syak, go ahead. Yeah, so sorry if my background noise is too much. So I'm interested in helping out with anything technical, whether it be web dev, DevOps, testing. And apart from that, I am also intermediate, early skilled with designs. So I can either help with the designs myself or I can also mentor other people in doing any of these things. Apart from the technical stuff, I am also pretty experienced in outreach, community events, and project management. So any of those, again, I can actively do that myself. And I can also be more than happy to mentor other people who might be interested in doing that. So yeah. Cool. That's awesome. So I've called on a couple of people to get it kind of rolling. Does anyone else want to jump in with some things that they might feel care to contribute? If not, that's okay. We can actually move to the Trello board, which is next on the agenda. So we have this Trello board. For anyone who's not familiar with it, it's a board where you add and assign tests to a certain working team. Currently, in parallel, we have two tasks or processes, and it is the GNI ticket and the common ticket. You can go through every single board and task there. If you have any idea of something that we might be missing, or I don't think something is wrong, it's better than nothing so far. Yeah. If you see something that you would really like to work on, you just let us know. Cool. All right. So I looked at my own agenda and I'm going to correct myself. The next thing on the agenda is talking about what an ambassador does in 2020 a little bit more. So I have that also on the notes. I'll just read out the stuff we have there and get us all thinking about different ways we could be reaching out to our own community and reaching out to the external community. So promote Fedora on social media, help others use install Fedora for their use case. I think this might actually be something that's an event, maybe. I mean, it would be nice to organize into an event, although I guess we should kind of all know how to do that if we wanted to do it in one-on-one situations. Help their friends and colleagues learn more about Linux and Fedora and understand how the bits come together. So I think that's a great idea. But you know what else? I don't really know how the bits come together. I work on community. I've done design. I've done a lot of other stuff within Fedora. So although I'm very familiar with a lot of the technology, I think another aspect to this is it doesn't necessarily have to be the bits. Maybe as an ambassador you do, or there should be some training, like maybe I should have that training. I'm not sure, but I feel like that statement didn't necessarily cover who I am. So that's an interesting thought there, or how the bits come together or how the community comes together. Hold local workshops promoting Fedora, and we should say hold local or virtual workshops. Show interesting stuff done with Fedora. So what kind of ways would we show? So like blog posts, what other things? And you guys are all welcome to write in the notes as well. I'm in there doing things. So in this regard, apart from blog posts and stuff, I also have something else in my head. There are a lot of different spins of Fedora, and a lot of people run really cool applications and stuff on it. So I've seen people in the past use some of the alternative builds of Fedora into running some really nice applications, which even include small robots and stuff. So we can probably do a coverage of such types of things that are out of the ordinary, not like what people do in everyday life, like automation projects and at times even medical applications and stuff like that. I think that's a cool idea. Because even the Raspberry Pi spin of Fedora is kind of used for stuff like these. People around my college and in my college as well have put into use and have built good stuff from it. And the fact that it's leading its distribution, so it does not walk down into stuff which can be old or can get old down the line. So it gets the technology which has much more data should have the students and the ones who are interested to build stuff quite quickly. So yeah, I would second that. It's a very good idea, Sayak. So I think we should try to build on other things that exist within Fedora whenever we can. And the first thing I'm thinking of is the how do you Fedora? There's a series of blog posts called How Do You Fedora? And that kind of makes me think of this. But we could kind of upgrade it for this day and age and we could do videos. We could do video interviews, edit them with some cool graphics and make like a series of How Do You Fedora's videos. What do you guys think about that? So are ambassadors the editing ones or the ambassadors who are making videos of themselves talking about How Do You Fedora? I think ambassadors would interview people. You're a little bit quiet, Ripple. Yeah, sorry about that. Mike's been weird. So okay, they'll be interviewing people. Yeah, yeah, I think that like the ambassadors would be the ones to kind of like coordinate it, get it to the right people. So like we'd come up with, okay, here are the interview questions. We would be the ones to make the meetings like who on the team makes sense to interview this person. Like it might not make sense for me to interview a technical person. It might make sense for me to interview like a community person, right? So we choose like someone on the team to do the interview, then we probably have to work with the design team on getting some kind of editing done. I know we have Tattica who does video editing. So that's kind of all the coordination that the ambassador group would do. Does that sound like something that we want the ambassador group to be working on? So kind of just like spitballing ideas, basically like it could be some kind of like a marketing initiative like it, you know, could be built like that. So Marie, I have one more question over there. So with the Fedora release on on Lenovo laptops, like being shipped with Lenovo laptops, I'm wondering if there is something that we can do around that as well. I'm not sure what it's just a random thought that would came to my mind. And the other thing that I wanted to talk about was and I added this point to the hack and read document. So back in the day when I was in college, we used to have a group of us who were into open source software. We used to host install days and update days. We would like literally welcome people to come and try out different open source software. At that time, we used to install Fedora, Firefox and a bunch of other like applications to people's laptops. And what happened was by the end of the end of two years, the entire batch of like what 80 people were all running Fedora on their laptops. But yeah, it was just in our college, just with our batch, but that's a different story altogether. But what I'm thinking is probably that has some potential. I don't know, like there was just a random idea that I wanted to throw out there. I guess. So investors have always been, well, at least according to the good old definition, doing outreach, install phase, release parties and things. I'm wondering how this would spin out in 2020 and with COVID situations. But yeah, maybe talking more about things, talking point of Fedora's expanding release parties to some kind of federal activity days, organizing federal virtual hack days. Documentation hack days where six hours anyone can come and help some kind of training in early one hour where you explain how Antora works and how documentation you can do things around it or how can you use it for your own benefit. Something along those lines. Install phase over virtual would be a really, really, really complicated thing because even in person, you know, something is going to break and you are going to hear you broke my laptop. So I'm not really sure how it would spin out in virtual, but yeah. So I have an idea here. And this kind of builds on this, this structure that I kind of think about community with, which is called rise. So it's recognition, incentive, support and empowerment. And that, you know, all communities need all of those to be healthy. So this actually really makes me think about that, right? We can't do install fast, but we can offer people education. And that's actually an incentive and a reason why, you know, we're all kind of here. We've always learned and we've gained things from being a part of Fedora. So I kind of, I kind of see it as, you know, this maybe providing some kind of education on different topics to get people into the community and learning about it. Obviously these would be virtual. And another cool thing is for Nest, we had like 500 people or something and almost half of them had never been to a Fedora event before. So yes, Fedora classroom. Fedora classroom would be a great thing for ambassadors to work on. I don't know if it would be supplying ideas or maybe helping find people to do the classroom, promoting the classroom episodes. I'm gonna write well, that's right. I'm gonna put this into the notes here. Fedora classroom could be definitely something ambassadors do, you know, we'd be there kind of trained to get people interested, pointing out other things that they could get involved with, etc. So that's cool. I also see a lot of benefit in just attending Fedora classrooms. You would know more about Fedora than when you talk to someone, you'll have more talking points. So it always I should probably go there. I actually did a Fedora classroom once and it didn't get recorded. So I did it on Fedora badges. I guess I should probably do another one. We can always get you a spot. Let me know when you want it. Right. Cool. I think I'm also supposed to do a how do you Fedora interview or something. It might be deep tonight. Yep. You must have an email in you. All right, cool. So I see people writing stuff in the notepad. That is awesome. I guess this is just a start and I'm kind of going to read through this and do a little bit organizing and thinking about it more. But I think the idea is to distill these into, you know, the role handbooks, right, which brings us to our next next thing, which is on the Trello board. And it is in here. Oh, I'm seeing a comment in the chat. I'm going to read it. So do I see your thing about the release parties? Guess what? We're doing a virtual release party. In fact, does anyone have a link for that release party thing? For the preference on things? May I say something? Yeah. I remember when I was a student in Latin America that the release parties shift in a style. At first, they were more installed fast. And we would give away CDs or USB sticks and help people to install the system in the laptops. And then it changed. People started to come, not to start there, but to solve problems, to know which open source software they could use instead of the paid version or the close source or how could they start with Linux or they saw Fedora or some Linux distribution somewhere and they were interested to know more. And so it was different. The release party was more about helping people to use Linux or to start using open source rather than helping them to install or giving them a CD-WROM. So I wanted to know that because I think it's interesting that that shift happened. And I think even now, you see it even clearer that people know better or at least they have heard somewhere about Fedora or about Linux and they're interested to know more or they're interested to add some open source programs to their Windows installations to kind of get used to it and maybe take the leap later on. Cool. I think that's awesome feedback. People aren't necessarily interested in doing install Fest anymore. And it is more about that educational aspect. So Sylvia, what you said definitely bolsters this idea that like install Fest really aren't as applicable for this day and age. So Sayak, I'm reading your comment here. One of the common feedback from folks who are new to the Linux ecosystem is that they find it a bit over or underwhelming during the initial days. We could also create some content, have events on boarding calls where we can help newbies get familiar with Fedora. I think that's a really cool idea. I think that's some great community outreach. So something. So we do have the Join SIG channel, which I know a lot of people go to, and Join SIG is also community outreach, but the idea behind Join SIG is that it's extremely low commitment. So you just hang out on the channel and do that and that's all it is and that's all they really want it to be and that's totally fine. So we have that, which is like one of the first places a contributor might come. But I think doing I think it's just going to be a matter of framing it so that people will actually come. So I guess I'm going to put this on the list like onboarding call for newbies. How do we frame? All right. So we're talking contributors and not users, right? Or are we talking users side? We're talking contributors or users? Yeah, I think both would be a bit different. Fedora Classroom would be a nice onboarding call for Fedora contributors. Earlier they said Antora guides or onboarding to QA, packaging and things. For users it would be more of going around and showing things, how to do things in GNOME, how to install applications, how to file bug crashes. So maybe for users, it would make sense to focus a bit more towards the users right now because contributors, they already have some kind of a knowledge about Fedora. But for new users, a lot of what happens is that there is a lot of new interest coming in from potential users who want to try different things out. But they might not stick around long enough to become contributors or even just stay as users in the long term if they do not feel comfortable enough. So maybe helping users become comfortable in using Fedora can go a long way in overall improving the Fedora ecosystem as well as getting new contributors onboarded in the later run. Like if people really like it and stay around and as users they can probably also become great contributors in the future. So I have a thought here. I mean users, it would make more sense to make content that they can just consume. Contributors, it would make sense to do things like calls. You have to think about like the investment, how much time we're going to be put into it, and how many people it's going to reach. So meanwhile, I think we need to move on. This is awesome conversation. I feel like people's brains have started turning with different ideas so that you can always jump into this doc that we have, the HackMD, and write ideas then. I just wanted to comment one more time on the chat here, and then I think we need to move to the Trello board. But St. Carson says, an aspect from the number of good Fedora ambassador, centric initiatives in the old days was that they depended a lot on the ability of the individual. And a common refrain was for a consistent experience. If that still is a feedback one here is perhaps an easy start would be to define a tempo playbook of these activities. So it's easily taught to others and we have more extensive skills and experiences in these areas. St. Carson, that's exactly what we're going to do. We're going to make roll handbooks. So I thought that you coming to that exact conclusion and it's already planned was so cool. So I had to read it out loud. So here we go on the Trello board. You'll see about to get a link. There we are. Okay. So these are the tasks specific to this group of people. There is the ambassador group cleanup. That has to do with metrics and communication, some email communications. So basically you're going to be opening a ticket, use the script to identify the active and inactive ambassadors. Someone needs to prepare checking emails, send and coordinate those emails. Then eventually we're going to clean up the membership by moving the inactive members to the ambassador emeritus. Also want to document this process and get it added to the ambassador doc page. The next task is going to be the roll handbooks, not next in parallel I'd say. Open a ticket on the commops repo. Further define the roles of each team role. I put all of them right there. Gather feedback after you've written these docs and make edits based on that and then add to the comma stock page of new tab community operation roles. The third task here we're going to wait on because the mind share team is actually working on a process for the different seats on mind share because a lot of them have gotten a bit stale. So we don't have a process in place. So we're going to wait on this one to see what the mind share committee decides they might actually take this work right out of our hands. Which would be cool. But something that is not on here is we need to give support to our fellow teams and we had something scope for the DNI team that doesn't seem like they have the capability to support right now and that's totally fine. They have Fedora Women's Day and a bunch of other awesome stuff they're working on. I think of instead of just trying to force that to happen let's jump in and work on that. So what did I do with the link? Oh it should be over here. Hold on a sec. I got it. So this is the other thing instead of the mind share seats we're going to work on this instead. So this is a survey and it has exactly to do with the conversation that we were just having. Basically gathering feedback from beyond this group of folks further about what a Fedora ambassador should do and feedback about how we think we can grow our community, what kind of things we want to be focusing on, etc, etc. So I did write in these questions you'll read in the description. I wrote those in like 5-10 minutes right? So what needs to happen here is we need to take these which I put in a HackMD and you'll see lower in the comments there and they need to be polished and then they need to be formatted for survey. Like so for example on a scale of one to five from not satisfied to satisfied or will this question be open-ended answer, etc, etc. So this is the other task we have put with the TTF. For now we're going to try to get the DNI's input on it but we're not going to have them drive this one. So Justin I see you on the call as the lead of the DNI team. I didn't have a chance to talk to you about this yet but I figured since so much else is going on it wasn't too much of a big deal. So right those are the kinds of tasks we're looking at. Who's up for what? Who's fitting where? Where do you see yourself being able to to fit into these three tasks? Okay Justin thinks it's a good call. What's that default? Yeah I can take the prepared question and plug them into the lines of the account if that helps. Yes that does help. So actually I'm going to get into our notes real quick and just and I'm going to say the way to phrase it. I just will do that for now. Vipple can help with line survey. All right thank you Vipple. I know that Alberto it knows that script very well. Alberto would you be willing to run the script for us for the active inactive ambassadors? Sure I will do. Okay I'm going to start looking at people's skills that can call them people out unless you want to volunteer. All right so the next thing for that one is we need to write an email and it'll be an email that we also use as a template in the future so we kind of plan on doing this once a year. Hi Kitty. Miko wants to say hi. We will run this once a year so we need like a template so we can use it the next time and so we need someone who can draft a letter or an email. Is anyone on the call willing to do that? It's me. Oh Sylvia can write. All right Sylvia would you like to draft that email? I'm putting it here. Sylvia will draft so I think that's probably a good start on that task. Look at the next one. Okay so those are basically the first steps in that task. The next one is roll handbooks and Sylvia do you want to open the ticket on the ambassador repo? Too many tabs right now. Okay so that's awesome. Okay and you can put the draft onto the ticket so then we can review it. Next is the roll handbooks. So this is a pretty big task but I do have a start of it and then the conversation that we had today will also inform these right. So if you go so these are historically some of the things that these different teams have done right. So this is the basis of this document. It's not starting from nothing and then we can kind of modernize it as well with things we want to see going forward in the future. So yeah basically it's going to be writing and editing etc etc gathering feedback. So is anyone interested in working on some of that? I'm looking at the list. It looks like both Akash Deep and Sylvia wrote documentation. Who else wrote documentation? Alberto? Are you guys interested in being a part of this? I can pick it but I would need some hand-holding first. I need to you know get some information about how this stuff is done. This is my first call per se. Oh okay well so if you take a look at the wicking links that I put in there you can read under the responsibilities kind of you know it'll give you a really good background of what these different teams have been doing to start. So if you just want to start there you know I'm not trying to dump a task and this is your first call so yeah well sure take a look at that link and okay cool yeah all right well I guess that's getting everything rolling. Sia can help as well perfect and just to let you guys know we're me and the co-leads we have like a list of tickets and the three of us are meeting weekly to help this you know so just the three of us and making sure everything's moving long providing support giving feedback you know making changes you know for example you know the DNI team we realized they weren't kind of they're they're overloaded right now so like we made the decision to move that away like so we're also here to support you you can reach out to us anytime through telegram or email or whatever not always going to be available but we'll get back to you students we can so any of these things that you're like I'm going to need support don't worry like the three of us are already there just include that support in your mind for all of the things that we're going to be working on and that's and that's my little spiel about that last thing that I wanted to talk about was a cadence for a meeting I would like to establish a regular meeting these were kind of just kick off you know let's fit it in as soon as we can kind of brings but I think I'd like to have a regular cadence so how do people feel about every two weeks or every one week every two weeks sounds good every two weeks okay and I'm thinking in the early times oh tasks that's not the right place let's open up here maybe we can share it's a pad or wiki where we can update agenda before coming yeah in case if someone can't make it they can try to be updated so we need a wiki for the ttf or for these meetings meeting I meant mainly for meetings your agenda on what we are going to discuss and if someone can't make it they can mention it in extra and someone else can read it out update the updates okay um I think I guess we should try to do it in one of so would you guys prefer an IRC meeting or a video meeting I'd go for IRC works IRC works a bit better since you can do as in can well even when you are doing something you can always join you can go back and Sumantro just said Sumantro just said video Mariana likes telegram group chat yeah I do too I won't lie we could have a ttf telegram group chat that's a thing but then you're forcing everyone to use telegram I guess I'm forcing everyone to use google meet right now but um uh telegram for the wind text chats yeah yeah okay how about this what if we do uh bi-weekly IRC meetings are we do we do it like concert yeah but that they're doing a meeting every week and then just one of those is a video uh you know uh something one of the things that I noticed especially in the mind share meetings um it's really convenient at times because we already have the telegram to IRC bridge uh so even a lot of times this has happened to me like I'm out somewhere and I got this notifications on the phone and even if I am uh like out or somewhere I can still participate so that's something really nice about the IRC bridge and more has nice action item recording and topics in case we are going to yeah that's totally the people have I ever used pound action in a mind share meeting let's use it from now no but guess what things are still happening maybe I just run meetings differently the magical way that doesn't include action items the only problem that can happen is that if you have a different uh uh nickname on your IRC and on your the telegram it becomes hard to identify I remember I had to uh continuously keep introducing myself that hey I'm sorry I'm Buxman I'm sorry so that's the only problem with the PG IRC bridge other than that everything is fine yeah but since we have so small in number I don't think that would be a problem for more than a week or two so Justin sorry if there was any confusion now this is a separate IRC meeting for the temporary task course on IRC slash telegram that seems like what everyone wants it's going to be bi-weekly and then I think what we should do is it seems like we're going to maybe develop small groups to work around some of these tasks if you need if it would make sense for us to get on a call for like you like two or three of us to get on a call to talk about a specific topic like Marianna Sumantro myself and a couple people we can do that because sometimes face to face you get a lot more done or you have a better understanding of just the idea behind it or whatever sometimes text just doesn't do everything you need it to do so I think we decided on the cadence for the meeting there was a lot of feelings about this which is cool all right guys this has been an awesome meeting thank you so much for all attending like I said you can jump into that HackMD and write in whatever notes you want about ambassadors I don't know I mean don't write notes about other things but thanks again I'm excited and I will get out information about our bi-weekly meetings all right okay all right guys thanks for coming