 I'll try to explain the philosophy behind what we're doing. We don't think it's necessary to do this to animals. If it was, I wouldn't be having this conversation with people. We think it's completely unnecessary. So we think we're doing this to them for an unjustifiable reason, which is a fleeting taste pleasure, like a burger. I'm trying to find the reason why people eat me, and it's usually a few. It's tradition, cultural, taste, convenience, not survival. It's about veganism, where we don't use and exploit animals for their bodies. Is that the truth? Have a guess. Pig? That's a pig. It's free, not to hurt animals. Have you thought about, you know what vegan things are? It means we don't use animals at all. We don't put their flesh in our bodies. It's healthier, bravo. Bodies are temple, bravo. Are you guys eating animals at Christmas? Not you? Are you a vegan? No. Maybe I'll try a vegan there over here. You can do veganero? Yes, that's it. Or, this is a challenge 22. You know, there's 500,000 vegans in the UK. Wow. 500,000, huge. Merry Christmas and compassionate Christmas. Is that us, me? I eat me every day. They're animals, yeah, not me. They get turned into meat, but they're animals, sentient beings. You think it's f***ed up what we do to animals? Yeah, of course. Yeah. You think they deserve it or? Do you notice the saying, the meek will inherit the earth at one point? What's the meek? What's the meek? Poor people, the meek will inherit the earth. Inherit the earth. I mean, it's people that are being slaughtered, badly, like animals. I've got it all in here. They will inherit the earth one day because of the wrong that's being done to them. Wow. And that's interesting because one of these documentaries is called Cowspiracy and it talks about how animal agriculture is destroying the earth. So maybe they will destroy the earth to a point where only animals will live here because humans will be wiped out. You thought about not eating animals or stuff that comes out of them? Are you a vegan? I know. Unfortunately. Oh yeah, because that's a dairy farm. It's pretty horrible. We're pretty aware of it. Are you aware of it? I've tried to become a vegetarian. You've tried to become a vegetarian? Yeah. Okay. The transition was really hard on you, so maybe I'll try again. Do you know the difference between a vegetarian and a vegan? Yes, a vegan, yes. What's the difference, do you know? Vegan milk, eggs as well, anything that's viable about it. We're vegans, you know what vegan is? Yeah, yeah, vegan. We don't use animals at all. Entertainment, animal testing, food, milk, eggs. The word meek will inherit the earth. If it's happening to the animals, if you look around all the people around you, they've got a scalpel sticking out of their head. You're the human product. I didn't even know that the human product existed you. There's people making money out of people, do you know that? Yes, we're exploiting each other, we're exploiting the animals. It's happening back to us, yeah? So it's like a circle of karma, yeah? Do you believe in karma? Yeah, it's, yeah. Yeah? That sucks. We're eating these animals that have suffered, and people are dying of preventable illness in hospital. They've got heart disease, they're getting cancer. So we are suffering along with the animals, using animals for entertainment, shoes and circuses, yeah, I'm against that. Testing, are you against all of that? I'm against, yeah, for animal cruelty, like cruelty-free makeups. Oh wow. But it's just the food. Yeah, the food, yeah. Let me give you a little statistic. About 98% of all the animal abuse and cruelty happens because we eat them or something that comes out of it. Yeah, I'm a worker. So do you think you can still advocate against animal cruelty while consuming all these products that can- Uh, well, not really. Could you be an animal lover while you're consuming the flesh of an animal that didn't want to die? I think you can, but is this that, if you don't believe- You can think you can, but do you think your actions reflect that? Or do you- Um, it depends actually on what you eat as well. But, what's the ratio? Why is that, why is it necessary for healthy, me? Yeah. Okay, you don't think you can be healthy without me? That's coming out of the- You can't, but once in a while it's all right, I don't know. You can't be healthy without me? Yeah, you can't, like- Okay. I think it becomes even more wrong the more innocent the individual. Animals are the most innocent. They can't speak for themselves? Exactly. Okay. They can't defend themselves. And human beings are in a position of power and we're exploiting that power. Yeah. You think- Yeah. You think you can eat animals and still be consistent with your view on loving them? Yes, I actually, yeah. Because I think that they have emotions, they have personalities and all that. Yeah. But I think that because me, myself, I've been Muslim- I'm Muslim? Yeah. So we do eat meat. You should say in the Quran that you have to eat animals, does it? Yes. I'm not really eating animals. So I'm saying, do you think you can love animals while you're paying for them to go into the slaughterhouse? No. Yeah, that's what I wanted to- That's it. Ah, she was Muslim? Yeah. Are you vegan? No, I'm a Christian. No, I just said that God doesn't- God doesn't tell us that we have to eat animals. Yeah, no. Yeah. No, they might be a loophole that you can. That's true. But back then when it was written, it was a survival situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not now. Not now. I agree, but I totally agree. I was just- What do you eat animals? Have you thought about one? Have you thought about why you eat animals? Oh, this is just a card. It's got ethics, environment, health. And are you a pretty strong Christian? Yeah, I'm not. But you believe in God, yeah? The creator? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Of course. Yeah, yeah. Um, and do you think God would be happy with this? Yeah, definitely. He would be happy? God would be happy with this? Yes. No, of course not. Oh, yeah, that's- Yeah, of course not. It's a soul at the end. These animals are innocent beings. Yeah, we're animals. Yeah. So we're part of the creatures on this planet. So do you think it's a sin to pay for this to happen to animals when we don't need to? Do you think it would be a sin? Yeah, it is a sin. To take the life of an animal that doesn't want to die? For an unnecessary reason. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying I am aware of it. And you're a Muslim? Yes. Okay, and I think it's written about 192 times in the Qur'an that God is compassionate and merciful. Yes, yes, I am aware of it. And I did have a discussion with my friend and we think that to be a vast Muslim nowadays we have to actually not eat animals. So- Do you know what heart disease is? Yeah. Oh, we have a heart attack? Okay, cholesterol, okay, is what builds up in your arteries over time? It kills people. Okay, cholesterol is only found in animals. Okay, so it's healthier to not eat animals? Yeah. What about creatine? What about creatine? Creatine? Yeah, omega. Your body produces creatine and omega-3s and 6s can be found in nuts and seeds and avocados and all the amino acids you need are found in plants because all the nutrients that the animals get come from where? They eat the plants, okay? We're filtering, you know what a filter is? Yeah. We're filtering our nutrients through another animal so we're getting the second-hand nutrients from these animals when we can just go straight to the plants. I just want the animals to be left alone, eh, bro? They've done nothing wrong to us, you know what I mean? Yeah. If you think about adopting a plant-based sort of lifestyle, every time you pay for a glass of milk, every time you pay for a burger, animals, innocent animals, are being put into a slaughterhouse on your behalf so the power is in the hands of the consumer and that's all we're asking people to do. Shift what you're buying, go get a vegan burger, get a plant-based burger or whatever. They're good, they're bad, some of them. And plants are good, mate, you know? Smoke plants, eat plants. There's an issue. Yeah. Trust me, yeah. I am aware of it. This is the transition that I throw. What if I help you with it? Now, I can give you a really good website that will help you and it's like maybe you can do it for a New Year's resolution, right? Okay. But this is called and you'll like it? I will see it, I will see it. Challenge, oh, have you already heard? Oh, this is just challenge 22. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So what do you replace it with, though? Oh, let me show you. This is called challenge 22. Capital J, capital V. You can replace it with all the plant-based alternatives in Tesco's and Sainsbury's. You've got vegan milks, almond milk, rice milk, soy milk. Okay, we've got vegan cheeses. All the rice beans, potatoes, corn, pasta, the cheapest foods on earth are already vegan. Any animal product you consume, animals will be murdered for, all of them. Any eggs, dairy, they suffer. They have their children taken from them. God doesn't want this. I agree. Anyway, thank you. So we're changing the world, man. Slowly, slowly, we're trying our best. We just want innocent beings, vulnerable, to be defended. They're like they should be, you know? When you complete it, you're like, that was too hard. My hair fell out. I'm going to die of protein deficiency. Or you can say, wow, that was really easy. I like the food. I feel better than I'm morally consistent. I'm not paying for animals to be taught. If you are against animal cruelty, the only logical decision is to be vegan. There's no other way to be, there's no other way to oppose animal cruelty. If you're not vegan, you still participate in it. So, yeah. That's why I think so. I don't know if you're allergic. You're allergic. Trust me. You're allergic. No, no you are. You're there, you're there here, but just, your actions don't reflect it. Actions do. And actions mean more than what you think. You know? Because in the animals' eyes, they're still going to the slaughterhouse because you're paying for them too. So, yeah. I do. I do. And it's empowering. It's really empowering to say, I'm not going to participate in that. I choose not to, you know? People are still going to do what they're going to do. Animals are probably still going to go to the slaughterhouse, but not because you paid for them too. I do, yeah. Thank you so much. No worries. Thanks for talking to me. Peace. We're just showing people where their food comes from so they can make better choices, okay? Now, if we stop feeding that grain to animals and this animal agriculture slowly went under, we'd have a lot more resources to spread out to the world, yeah? We could actually eliminate this world's derivation tomorrow in 24 hours if we wanted to. That is impossible. No, it's not impossible at all. Tomorrow in 24 hours we could eliminate, we couldn't even, we couldn't do anything in 24 hours worldwide. We could, we could, there's plenty of food. But you couldn't even choose a vegan burger over a beef burger. Do you eat them? Do I eat animals? No, not for four years, yeah. Yeah. Before that you didn't. Before then, like bacon, eggs, cheese, big steak. So you were as bad as everyone. Yep, exactly. Exactly, that's what I say to people. I'm not trying to be superior or anything, but I just found out. So I'm just trying to let people know and hopefully they go, well, wow, that's thanks for letting me know that information. I can do something with it. But now I just, I used to eat animals more than anyone else probably, you know? So I understood, I'm glad I found out because I was on my way to a heart attack. So you're not attached to it? Like I'm not a vegetarian or anything, but I just, I, You could easily live without it. Are you comparing cutting a cabbage to cutting an animal's head off or do you think it's the same thing or slightly different? Well, it's just going for food. Yeah, but okay, let's just say we don't need to eat animals to survive because there's obviously 2018 as alternatives now. So you think plant food, stuff are the same as a pig or a cow or an animal or a dog. So you're almost there and you sound like a very conscious individual and you take things, you know, you think about things logically and you believe in karma and things like that. I do, it's not particularly easy to eat. It's actually easier not to, but that's another story. Yes, lucky to. Very Christmas. Brett, there it is. Cheers, brother. Do you think you can still be healthy while eating the suffered flesh of an animal that didn't want to die in your stomach, in your body, in your temple? That's just from a health perspective. We talked more about, you know, from the animal's perspective, the animal's perspective. Yeah. We think it's unnecessary in 2017, nearly 2018 now. Still got slaughterhouses. That's a dead body of an animal who didn't want to die, hey. I'll leave you with that, brother. Nice talking to you, mate, hey.