 There's got to be some balance with this kind of stuff and you got to consider all of these things before Making your decisions and also realize that we don't know a lot. Yeah, like there's a lot that we don't know So what you don't want to do is negate a common knowledge This is where I see a lot of problems where people will read a study But well the study doesn't say that that's that's the case and then look at other studies Has this been duplicated and then what I like to do on top of that is I also like to compare it to conventional wisdom What have people been saying for hundreds of years? Where do we see similarities and Practices that have existed for a long time or are there counters and then you get a bigger kind of picture Otherwise you become you get kind of science bound meaning You know like you're like well unless I see in a study. I don't believe it or the study said therefore It's 100 true and we went to a lot of problems with this This cannot be communicated enough. It's good to be science based But don't be science bound So I'm bringing this up because uh, there was I belong to groups on facebook, right? Different like there's a neuroscience group. I belong to One for biology one for nutrition. Anyway, someone posted a study connecting high sodium intake to poor health Now you look deeper into the study and what you see is that there's poor controls and lots of studies have When the controls aren't right You see some biases that come in that influence the results of the study. So I'll explain this one with sodium, right? We've been told for years and years and years and decades that a lot of sodium is bad for you Like we've known this for a long time at least according to mainstream narrative So what ends up happening is people who hear this who are health conscious Consciously try to eat less sodium. So you start to develop a bias Then when you look at studies now people eat a lot of sodium. Oh, their health is worse Why because they're they tend to be the people who are less health conscious They tend to eat other foods process foods they tend to exercise less They tend to do other things that are less healthy. So then we connect the sodium to that If you look at well done studies you find that sodium is actually not connected to poor health in most cases In fact higher sodium intakes are better than too low of sodium intakes and it goes like this for lots of different things So that's why I want to kind of bring isn't that very similar to what we found out about cholesterol too Same thing like it like they weren't controlling a lot of those other things that healthier people Yeah, well a more common a really good one That's classic was that were the studies on coffee back in the day Yeah, back in the day coffee studies were connected to cancer So I was like, oh my god coffee is bad for you But what they weren't controlling for was what a lot of coffee drinkers did back in the day Which was smoked cigarettes. Yep. So it's like yeah, they got more cancer, but it wasn't the coffee There's studies on supplements like this too where they'll show people who take multivitamins Are healthier But it's hard to see if it's the multivitamin or if it's the the health bias that people who take multivitamins Also tend to exercise tend to eat right and so on and so if you think back to some of the messages that we've gotten Throughout the decades around what's good and what's bad many of them are wrong For example, they told us margarine was better than butter They told us to go fat free milk. They said avoid egg yolks So because of that messaging for so long People who are health conscious would do those things they would avoid butter. They would You know avoid egg yolks. They would eat fat free dairy So then in the studies you'd see oh if you avoid those things you're healthier But that's because the health conscious people were doing those things They also did other things that contributed to better health I feel like there's a lot of factors with a lot of these studies that people don't realize That I think you it would be helpful for you to kind of outline in terms of like how to read the study How to look for certain characteristics of the study that makes it more valid than other studies In terms of the controls and all that if you could explain that a little bit more Yeah, well, there's there's observational Which are based off of surveys which are notoriously bad when it comes to nutrition I mean when you guys were trainers Like when people would come in and tell you that you rely on people to honestly report Which is we already even with the best intentions people off. Yeah, so there's that So you want to you want studies that are controlled Where there's a double where they're double blind meaning that the researcher and the subjects don't know Who's getting the ingredient or the supplement or the drug or whatever So nobody knows so there's no placebo is going on. No bias is kind of going on And then you want to see a large sample size So if there's like let me put it this way if there's four people in a study I could very easily pick four people who are going to respond in a particular way and and not if I pick a thousand people I'm more likely to get the larger the control the better off the larger the larger and longer the sample variables Yeah, and then who's in the sample, you know, uh, you know 30 college aged males Well, is it going to be different if we're checking, uh, you know If we start to throw women in there or people who are older or younger like that That's another thing you want to kind of pay attention to And then look at other studies Has this been duplicated? And then what I like to do on top of that is I also like to compare it to conventional wisdom What have people been saying for hundreds of years? Where do we see similarities and Practices that have existed for a long time or are there counters? And then you get a bigger kind of picture Otherwise you become you get kind of science bound meaning You know like you're like well unless I see in a study I don't believe it or the study said therefore It's a hundred percent true and we went to a lot of problems with this. We just recently saw a huge analysis of Um ssri drugs and they just came out and said serotonin the serotonin model of depression is wrong Yeah, which is crazy. We've been prescribing these drugs for decades now That's not to say that there isn't some effects and that people may be not see some benefit It may mean that we just don't know the mechanisms But it's not the serotonin is what this thing is saying and how long we've been prescribing these for It's so funny to me because I know on this show that I've I've I've been labeled as like the the skeptical challenge sal every time he brings a study to the table But this is the reason why Is because we rarely ever can replicate it There's always so many other controls we control and then you didn't no one's mentioned yet or talked about which I'm super fascinated and the power of the mind Yeah, I mean you could literally see bone plus evil. That's right. You could take several of these studies And take a group of people that think negatively of the outcome And and say there's 50 people that are just worry warts and they think it's going to be bad and their body's going to affect negatively And then take 50 other people who have a very positive outlook on life and think that oh They're going to be fine in the situation and I bet you you would see a dramatic difference in the results of that That's not acknowledged as a belief system So it's so funny when people think that they they kind of razz me about always being skeptical when we talk about studies But that's the reason why there's also a cause and effect that sometimes we flip So like for example, um, you could read a study that says People who use marijuana. I'll just use an example People who use marijuana are more depressed and more anxious so you could say The marijuana is causing the depression and anxiety or you could say people who are depressed and anxious tend to reach out for things That make them feel better so they're more likely to do to use marijuana or it's a combination of the two So you you want to be You want to kind of look at things that way because it could be very misleading. Well, yeah You could isolate certain parts too to make something sound good. You use the example I told you I was getting in an argument with one of my buddies about you know Them potentially vaccinating their their young daughter who has autoimmune issues and that just recently came out About the immunity that of course he fired a pub med study at me saying that oh the That the risk is is is okay because you're better off taking it because of what it reduces potentially And then your response to that was you know, we could take it We could take a study that shows that six smoking cigarettes reduces anxiety by 30% Yeah, so should you smoke cigarettes because you've isolated this one thing of one effect Yeah, one positive effect from it because that's what you're trying to prove in this study that Hey, if you if you're a really anxious person, maybe cigarettes is actually a good choice Yeah, because you're negating all the other potential effects and you're not throwing that in so a good another example would be like um chemotherapy Is anti-cancer Now the average person wouldn't just go take chemo because like I don't want to get cancer because we know that chemotherapy comes along with its own Risks and issues, right? So that's that's very true. So you can look at something that says, um, you know causes weight loss Like oh, this is gonna be this is gonna be good. It's gonna prove my health. Well, maybe it causes weight loss because maybe people lose muscle or Their anxiety and stress goes up so they eat less or they're depressed so they eat less or who knows, right? So you want to look at these bigger pictures and what you don't want to do is negate Uh common knowledge This is where I see a lot of problems where people will read a study But well, the study doesn't say that that's that's the case. You know what my favorites is I remember this a long time ago. It was when when my When my son was my oldest who's now 17, right when he was little Um, I don't remember what happened one of us had a cough or something like that And I brought up to the doctor. I said his pediatrician was my was my client and I brought up and I said, you know Um, when I was a kid my mom would give me honey in tea And it would help my cough and oh, that's an old wives tale You know, that's not really, you know, that doesn't there's no studies to show that actually works I'm like really because they've been using honey for right hundreds or maybe thousands of years for coughs Yeah, you know, it's just a uh, you know, it's an old wives tale Well, literally that year a study comes out showing there's a compound on honey That suppresses the cough reflex in the brain and that may be why it helps with cough So then I remember I brought it to her and she goes, oh, yeah, I guess it works But well, you got to wait for the study They've been doing this for hundreds of years, you know So there's got to be some and so there's got to be some balance with this kind of stuff And you got to consider all of these things before Making your decisions and also realize that we don't know a lot Yeah, like there's a lot that we don't know so when I see like my favorite ones are the My favorite ones the poke holes under the dairy ones the meat ones like Oh meat causes this well god for so long we've been hammered that meat is bad for us That a larger percentage of health conscious people avoid red meat now So how can you separate the two by the way, red meat has been considered healthy And nutrient dense for thousands and thousands of years almost every culture So now all of a sudden it's bad for you. I don't know about that Now so we need yeah, like vegetable meat and insects Like yeah, that's how we need to survive. It's so ironic to me because that's such a luxury to even think this way because I was I binge watched the latest alone season this weekend again Uh, I'm like, I think I'm on the latest one is where I'm at and I just I can't help it It's like the perfect example of like this is how we evolved And and you see the people struggling simplest who are eating crickets and pulling up Onion bulbs and berry shrubs and stuff like that like the ones that don't get don't kill the deer That don't catch the fish that don't get the wolverine that don't get these didn't get this meat. They're fucked They're always fucked. They never they never get past a couple weeks It's like how could you watch that show and not think like this is how we got here I mean this is we now we're in this this great Place where you go to the grocery store and even a Fruit or vegetable or something is not in season or your state can't even grow it You could still eat it. I remember getting a big debate. I had a uh, I had a client once who was like, you know Do you do you grill your food? Like yeah, sometimes like well, you know that that grilling food I'm like, you know, we grilled our food forever up until recently where we had all this technology We could cook it differently. So I don't know and then you sound manila or you know Also, that doesn't necessarily mean it's it's bad not necessarily and so then we then I said Well, let me ask you a question. I said, do you think it's better to have vegetables raw or cooked? Because we'll raw because when you cook it you destroy the nutrients. So yeah, you don't absorb them You're returning a bunch of raw vegetables. I said, why don't you eat a rock? There's hella minerals in the rock You're not gonna absorb those either. So We got to look at the whole picture, but it's just it's a constant. Uh, it's a constant discussion and it's interesting because um supplement companies people who sell books politicians You know food companies if they have a an agenda they could take something and use it in a way to Which would be like the conversation which by the way, I wish I remember the number I want to say it's like 80 something percent. Maybe duck can fact check me on this Of studies that are put out there There's there's a a financial incentive. Yeah for the company that's pushing that study out which of course understandably That's how studies have to get done because nobody's just throwing money at all these random studies So it's normally got to be somebody who wants to prove a point That means lots of other things aren't being studied like alternative medicine Exactly who's gonna study Things that you can't patent and sell or at least who's gonna fund that because what am I gonna get out of it out of funding this million dollar study Okay, it turns out that You know goji berries are phenomenal for blood pressure or whatever. Well, okay. Now what what am I gonna do? But where do I get my million dollars back? I'd rather take the compound out of goji berry Synthesize it change it a little bit so I can patent it and then I'll do that study because now I have something to sell This all stuff you need to consider so you see this to the percentage on that done. I know it's high Up to 75 75. Okay, so I knew you know which which studies are the worst Uh psychology and behavior. Yeah, they can never replicate that. They're almost almost always they're they can't replicate Yeah, I think it's I think that's up above 80 or 90 percent can't be duplicated and stuff But then again, I mean that also that also highlight when you're talking about psychology, right like Human behavior and the in how individual all of us are and complex. Yeah, and exactly I mean you're talking the brain and the metabolism to the which is why too. I mean, I know that's metabolism is directly in our space But that's why I'm so skeptical of so many studies because it's like It's studying the metabolism is kind of like studying our our universe right now It's like arguing. I think we know more about the universe to be honest with you Yeah, it's that's how that's so many unknowns there are so when you get people that start to like tout all these facts because a new pub med study is like stop it Stop it like we can't we don't even know that I had I actually I saw I was in LA Friday, right? And I was on a couple podcasts one of them was max lugavir one of our one of our friends favorite people And we were talking about the people who are like it's all about calories and people like calories don't exist And I'm like, you know the thing about the this whole calories in versus calories out thing Like I get why there's people say they doesn't exist and I get why there's people who are like This is all that matters I said but the people that say it doesn't exist It's because we don't realize that our calories out part our metabolism. It literally adjusts all day It's always adjusting to try to find homeostasis or to keep us alive So it's not like my body burns 2000 calories a day Even if I measured today it did Exactly if I measured it today mathematical one plus one exactly Exactly if I measured it right now with very sophisticated technology that answer means that that's what I did now Yeah tomorrow I don't know I could get in a bad mood or I could you know sleep differently get different sunlight Take whatever eat something and then that'll change that number's gonna change and and I I think we it's More dramatic than we realize you take somebody that if you had all the most sophisticated stuff to measure and and say that And then that same exact person Doesn't eat for an accident between something very stressful happens in their life They didn't sleep but maybe four to six hours that night Boy, I bet that that metabolism is running completely do one day one day like that Yeah, no Yeah, so it's just like this idea that we when we when we get one of these studies that come out at that point And I think too that we have to be careful because I think you get labeled as like also more like anti science I'm like definitely not anti science because I think that's a it definitely should show like Oh, there's something here for us to look into or pay attention to how about this focus on what we know What do we know? If you do strength training properly, you'll build some muscle and you'll speed up your metabolism Uh being active is better than not being active Don't overeat right stick to whole natural foods Um, you know treat people nicely like these are all things we know Like when we just focus on that stuff and then all these little you know pieces that we keep You know trying to pull out to strengthen our bias or our political position where it's like come on That's ridiculous. Yeah, the nuances are just talking points to kind of sway you into some kind of marketing Funnel, I mean for the most part in our space, you know, and it's they're masterful at finding those one or two Pieces of studies that that help to support Whatever method they're using. Oh another point too when I was with max we were talking about mTOR And he goes, what do you think about people saying, you know that eating too much protein? 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They were doing donuts in front like just crazy And he's like he was in his house couldn't sleep loud as hell and he was contemplating going outside Tell him to shut up right now geo great guys super nice guys Also, uh, I think he's a brown belt in brazilian jiu-jitsu pretty tough guy or whatever So but then he's like i'm glad I didn't i'm like what happened. He goes another rival Group or something drives through and just starts spraying bullets Throughout the neighborhood bullets went through his house. What? Yeah, dude Bullets went through his house. He was showing me pictures. Is this san francisco san francisco Bro, is it that is it that crazy there that like that could happen on a sunday night cops not get called and show Up to bro. He was showing me all the the what is it the bullet shells or whatever. It was like hundreds of rounds He's like literally machine guns They there was a party there and some rival groups with the police said some rival group drives through and he just Is going through his walls, dude. Could you imagine that dude? I'm out of there Hey, could you imagine like i'm gonna go out there and say something like thank god you go out there, bro Right, you ain't gonna throw an arm bar on them bullets. They're gonna wow That happened to him last night last night on a sunday night So he walks in he's like, oh rough night. I'm thinking like, oh, what happened man? Do you go out late? You know later? Whatever. He's like, no, dude bullets flying through Oh, where do you live, dude? We're in afghanistan. Let's go outside my door right outside Geez, and he showed me pictures. He's got bullet holes through his wall Wow. Yeah, we'll put them up on the on the video here. Let's see. Is san francisco still bleeding people? Do we know are they? Yeah, I read an article that showed that of the big cities. It was fared one of the worst So all the a lot of the big cities are really bad during the pandemic Of course, but san francisco did really apparently really bad and people are upset about the Uh, the business climate there, which it's always been a complaint, but I guess it got real bad And the crime the crime remember how we know we've been talking about the crime We have a new some tax successful businesses, so we're fine. Yeah, right. Yeah, we're good Dude retailers leaving san francisco because they don't persecute shoplifters And then prosecute. Yeah, they don't prosecute that persecute. Sorry, prostitute Prostitute and not a prostitute We're all on the same page. Yeah And then also the car theft the smash and grab it's so bad. I think I told you guys You'll see cars with they'll leave their windows open and with nothing in their car So people could just serve there a bunch of controversy right now with starbucks, uh, pulling out on all kinds of cities like this Oh, what was that? Did you not read that? Oh, yeah starbucks leaving starbucks leaving a bunch of cities I think san francisco is up there with word. Yeah, they were actually Wasn't it the uh, ceo that came out and said he was pulling them out of like certain cities that were run by, um, You know mayors that allowed a lot of this to to occur Yeah, a lot of liberal seattle, los angeles, portland, origan, uh, philadelphia and washington Oh, san francisco is not on there. I don't see it now. Why was he pulling out? Was it because they were because of the crime because the crime? Yeah. Yeah. Well, and they weren't uh, Yeah, they weren't enforcing uh law and order Okay, so I mean in order to to secure a like a free Society you have to have very very good law and order because that's what you gotta have the guy The guy with the biggest guns runs a show. Yeah, you know, I mean and if you don't have good good crime control You're screwed. There's no business. There's no you can't have good education You can't do anything. Well, you saw what happened with the chas chop up there Yeah, that that was pretty crazy. I wonder if that is it still like no it got shut all down Okay, so that all just imploded. Yeah, uh, and I think there's a big joke about it Right, like all the all the businesses that were in that area left and like it just totally decimated that area Oh, man, it's a stupid idea because I love see how like I went up there. I remember like after um always said none They were just so happy to have anybody there like shopping and going in their businesses It's like the business owners were just, you know suffering through this whole thing. Yeah, they they um When you look historically at areas where stuff like this has happened It takes decades for them and sometimes they don't recover. Yeah, because once businesses leave There's no investment in there and everything else just starts to go to crap Well, since you brought up the geo story that sounds like it's something out of a movie I saw something that reminded me something out of the movie seven Remember the uh, the I can't remember which which part of that movie was disturbing. Oh such a good ending Such a good move one of the best movies of all time. Can we agree on that? Can we agree it's like one of the one of the best movies of all time if you've never seen seven you have to watch it Anyways, I saw this article Uh, a woman in uk Was found dead in her apartment two years and rent was being collected. What how was she paying rent? I have no idea. I had an auto pay Maybe it was like she was pulled up dug two year two year. I mean, I'm sure you go woman dead two years UK paying rent it must have been nobody came and checked up on her. Yeah two years They had to send a uh dental to be able to figure out who she was. Wow Yes, it was all two years. Well, yeah rotting for two years remember in seven where he had for the neighbor My god, we're gonna say something about that. They got to fix their apartment. Something smells Do you remember the member in in seven where he had all the air fresheners and stuff like that That's so sad like she had no friends For two years. Yeah, did not know if I was depressing Yeah, the landlord actually cut off gas and kept taking rent She lay dead in the house for two years. I bet he feels like an idiot now. Uh, he's like, well, she never canceled. I don't know It's on her She's not gonna need the money. It must have been like an auto pay, right? It must have been some sort of an auto pay Wow Yeah, I don't see that. I mean almost sounds like he knew he was dead. I don't know Well, that's why I that's why you ever a you ever hear the stories of people who collect They'll collect like social security or disability payments on their elderly parent or you know, some of they take care of They'll die and they'll just like hide the body so you can keep collecting. Right. Have you heard of these? That is massive. I tell you what dude, if I disappeared for longer than three hours, my mom would know That's just a Sicilian mom right there. Hey, what are you doing right now? Hey, you better answer me If you don't answer me in five minutes, I might send you I'm working mom. Jesus Is that crazy Doug? It is crazy, right? That's insane Like how that could even happen both on the neighbors like you bring up two on so like family How are no family members knowing and then three the guy who's collecting rent like never once thought to like check up Well, he cut off her gas Yeah, why would you cut off somebody's gas? If you thought they needed and he never went by the apartment He's a very suspicious sound like he's a what a freeloader. I cut her gas off and she's still not even saying anything whatever Yeah, dude, I call bullshit on that guy. Dang. I wonder what that looked like when you walk in Like how what does a body look like two years in an apartment? Yeah, you need it. You need a dentist to be able to tell you who she is I mean, that means everything's probably decayed and it's just nothing give me a whole hazmat suit. They're everything Do they have a picture of her? No, I'm just kidding. No, no, no, no, no, I don't want to see that Dude, I gotta tell you dude, uh, I love this stage of development with my with my baby son Yeah, you're at the fun They go through they there's like these periods where they advance so quickly. It's insane. Like he said like He's saying like words just out of nowhere popping them up like crazy Like we were looking at something in a book and he's like, wow I'm like, did you just say wow? And then right now Jessica sends me a video where he said whale Like he knows what that is He's like saying words out of nowhere and it's fun to watch It makes me not want to leave because when I leave I come back and he says new stuff and I Know a whole new what what are you guys at right now? How far he's 2020? I think he'll be 21 months soon Yeah, yeah Yeah, I mean I felt like I felt like once you hit that one year mark I really do like and of course every kid's a little bit different Like some kids walk a little sooner or progress a little bit faster, but it's experts It's not like well you remember that remember that documentary that we all watched on netflix I was that was a really fascinating documentary to watch where they talked about how the child development and that's actually what happens Right, they have these these crazy spurts. Also, they grow two three inches in a night or whatever I feel like the learning process is the same way too max is the same thing all of a sudden He'll he'll put together two or three words And I didn't even know he could say those words or knew what that meant. It's so great It's so fun to watch dude. Yeah, and I um, we're doing this obviously he's got a baby sister coming soon Right, so we've been really good about and I did this with my older son I involve him a lot and he was never jealous of his sister because he was always a part of the whole process Like he would hand me the diaper or when it was time to change your diaper He would help me dress or he would watch her and so, you know, we never got that jealousy So we're doing we're already prepping Aurelius and we got him little stuffed animals And I say it's the baby and this is how you take care of baby and he got him a stroller So he puts the run so now he's like all into it like he's got we bought a newborn diapers I forget how small they are by the way We were looking at me like oh my god, I forgot how small newborns are But anyway, he wants them he wants the diapers to put on his little stuff So he's putting on newborn diaper all this so I can't wait to see I think that is I think that is such a parent hack So we're you know, we're obviously a little bit ahead of you right now, right? We're at you were at three years And this was something that even what we were doing it regardless If we were going to have a second one come along or not that the idea was just to They'll tell you like child development to involve them as much as possible, right? So max helps Katrina cook. He helps me do yard stuff. He helps me wash cars He does like and it's so cool to see that training early on when they're they're kind of getting into it to where Now it's such a hack So he was like he spent the night at his aunt knuckles. He didn't he didn't sleep at all They pulled like an all-nighter with them. They had a blast with them. Of course, we get him the next day Yeah, tired and cranky and stuff like that and he was being a little cranky about something like that I said, hey, you want to go outside and help daddy? I gotta pick up poop. Yeah. Yeah You're like just excited and for the next half hour He's I got the plastic bag and he's been it over and he's picking it up And like he just he totally wants to be an adult and a part of adult things That they also feel like they get to contribute to the family. Oh, you can see it and you can see it now From the you know the last year of trying to implement that and a lot of things that Katrina and I would do It's starting to pay pay us forward because it's like, oh, wow Here's this little cranky kid that was getting all fussy about the toy He was playing with and initially I pulled him out of that. Okay, let's go work and the fact that he's like, yeah And I'm like, oh, wow, this is a great hack. You know jessica's with that particular. She's so good and we had this conversation because like a while ago where You know, I'm doing a chore like let's say washing the dishes and I'm trying to get him out of the way So I could do it real fast so I could go play with him and she's like have him help you She's like that is play So I'm like, oh my god, what an idiot. It's a hundred percent right Like why am I hurrying up to do this thing so I can go play blocks with him? Yeah, when all I got to do is make this part of the play takes longer, but what's the difference So I'll hand him a fork put it over here for me, buddy And then he helps out and it's like and they get to contribute, you know So it's all about how you present it. I had to learn that especially with my kids It's like, you know, like telling them I I could really use your help you guys with this Like that goes way further with them than just being like do this do this I need you do that, you know, like It's it's all like inclusive and then they feel like they're contributing So like I have to like constantly remind myself like the presentation is everything and the response is exactly how what I'm gonna get You know based on my presentation so funny. I have a story that you just reminded me of that just happened to this last weekend So, uh, we all know that I've brought up the dishwasher thing with the silverware, right? It's been like a big joke. Most valuable thing you've ever said Everybody We wrote that one down. That's the one It is one hundred percent, right? That's your dream and advice right there So what what I don't think I've ever shared on the show in regards to that too Is just that like Katrina doesn't give a shit about that stuff and it's been like I always know if she did the dishes in the daytime because I'll open it up and sure Shit, they're all mixed together almost like Like and then I'll know I'm gonna go and fix them whatever So the last like three times that I've been doing dishes I've actually noticed when I opened the dishwasher, they're all organized So I said something to her today or this weekend. I said, hey, I just want to let you know that Uh, I noticed that you're making an effort with the silverware to organize and I appreciate that I do and so that and she goes it's not me. It's max I was like, oh Here I thought she was like, oh like she's really trying to help me out here and stuff like that She's like no max just puts it all organized like that. You're gonna be outnumbered lady He'll be over I'll take it. You'll say whatever. I'll take it. Hey talking about life lessons I gotta tell you this funny realization ahead I was on facebook and I think it was facebook and I belong to these like martial arts pages and they'll have like Martial arts how many groups are you part of? You have like a mold culture, you know, like a scientific bro. This is it's a hack I'm telling you right now. I don't have to search for anything. They do it for me booger sculpture group. Yeah. No, not that That's weird. Yeah, where'd that come from? I don't know. All right. Anyway, so I'm going through trying to remember And I there's this page I belong to martial arts and they'll show Like, you know versus fights like, you know boxing versus this that versus whatever, right? So there was this video of this aikido master against this, uh Submission wrestler and I know already know what's gonna happen submission. That's gonna kick his ass Anyway, I watched it and it was like super fast speed as ass or whatever And then there's a debate underneath and it made me realize like the reason why the aikido guy got his ass kicked is because Modern aikido, they never train full contact. Really. That's all it is. They just don't train hard full contact And then it made me realize like this is Like business Well, it's like how many people learn business stuff in school and textbooks Yeah, but they they go out in the real world and the entrepreneur that went out and did it It's like getting the street fighter versus the guy that you know That was in the air and hits it and it's a heavy bag. We never actually gets in a fight, right? Like you got to go out and do it because the full contact part is where you learn the most And you know, that's why boxers are such that's why the Mike Tyson quote is so famous and so epic Everybody has a plan to get punched in the face So it's like business is like you talk to somebody who's got this education in business and they'll tell you like Well, you know the business cycle and listen that's like how many businesses have you own oh zero Yeah, how many fights have you been way too much emphasis on the business plan and in like oh, yeah Get just hung up on that. What are your business plans? What are your KPIs? Like that's what you get? Yeah, it's like you get all this like And then it deters a lot of people from making the next steps necessary And and they're so afraid of failure that they're not even going to invest themselves fully into it Well again to bring it back it'd be like saying, you know, I want to be a I want to be a good fighter, but I don't want to go out and get in a fight So what if I get hit in the face? Yeah, I hate to break this to you You're gonna have to get your ass kicked a bunch before you become a good fighter Just like with business you're gonna have to go out and fail. That's like part of the process You ain't gonna go out and succeed right out the gate. It doesn't work that way Well, that's what I love about the whole mcdojo page where it kind of exposes a lot of the old like Legendary lore and mysticism behind a lot of these like martial arts where you know I got so many stories because when I when I did jujitsu was god It's been it's gotta be it's almost 20 years now that I haven't done present So back then jujitsu was a little bit less known or whatever and we would everyone oh, I'd say it was a lot less known It's gotten really popular even then though more people knew but you're right. It's now it's like everywhere But anyway, I remember people would come in from other styles that where they never trained like full contact And they would say some of the stuff So I remember one time this guy comes in and he did I don't remember what it was It was kung fu or something like that and again never fights never really trains full contact And he challenges the instructor and he says, you know He goes I want you to go against me and then I'll try and do moves on you that I've learned that are lethal But I won't make them lethal and I remember I can see the instructor Okay, buddy. So anyway, the five finger death touch. So anyway, the instructor's like he's like, all right So the instructor what he takes him down chokes him out, right now while he's choking him out He feels this like kung fu guy, whatever tapping on his head with his fingers like this So then when he lets go and the guy taps out he goes Yeah, I could I could have totally ripped your eyeball out and he goes what he goes Yeah, I was tapping on your head to let you know that I could have Plectured eyeball out and he goes if you if you poked my eyeball out while I was choking you I would have choked you till you died He might lose an eye you're dead, bro So that was funny because then again, he says all right, let's go again this time go ahead and poke my eyeball out Sure enough. He choked him out again Yeah, dude, it was uh it was gonna ripped your eyeball So much shenanigans with that. Anyway, so uh, did you guys hear about you know how they're talking about the recession might happen? Well, it's not gonna happen Wait, wait, we're in a recession. Oh, how are we spinning this? No, recession is not happening. Oh good They changed the definition of recession. Is that true? No worries. No worries. Let me read just all undercover too. This is so funny Well, first of all, okay, wait, so first of all you tell the audience a the true definition of a recession is Two quarters back to back of negative in other words six months in a row of negative gdp It's always been that yeah, that's been the definition forever. Yeah, okay This was on white house gov's official white house website It says while some maintain that two consecutive quarters Of falling real gdp constitutes a recession That is neither the official definition nor the way economists evaluate the state of the business cycle Really? It is unlikely that the decline in gdp in the first quarter of this year Even if followed by another gdp client on the second quarter indicates a recession This is under what is a recession in white house gov? So now they can come out and say Now we're not a recession because we changed the definition. Well, so now I know, okay So when does changing the definition uh equate lives? Well, that's just like how do we yeah, so here's what here's what some economists are saying about that And I'm gonna play the other side just so people understand like where that's coming from is We had it. We had a uh a two month negative gdp at the beginning of the pandemic And then we came out of that and we had this crazy surge And when they do the numbers of growth on gdp, it's compared to prior year So we had we went from, you know, two months of or two quarters of negative gdp Then we go into the skyrocketing crazy growth in the gdp and now we're back to this year And now we see in q1 q2 we see negative gdp in comparison to previous year Which saw abnormal growth because of the the pandemic So the argument that they're trying to make or what some economists are trying to say is that when you look at the total average Let's say we look at a five-year running average. We're fine. We're right on pace. We're still gdp is still overall growing It's just that you would you would expect that after a say uh because I don't remember the exact numbers But I want to say it's somewhere around 4 growth in gdp that we had of that rebound when everything got inflated like crazy over the last year and a half Now we're coming back down to earth and coming down to back to earth when comparing to previous year looks like negative gdp But it's not yeah, but that's so here's why that's ridiculous first off It's still a recession because recession means we're going backwards. So regardless how fast we went forward We're still going backwards and also if anything that indicates a bigger problem So that's what I think right so to put in come to put like give you an analogy It would be like somebody coming to you and be like hey look I just gained 20 pounds in the last week But i'm still down 15 pounds because I lost 35 pounds last month you as a trainer be like hold on a second Yeah, we're heading the wrong direction You might still be down 15 based up with what the hell is going on you gained 20 in the last week That's a great analogy Sal because in in the grand scheme of things we you know, we're okay. You're not bad but There's some serious signs that we're heading in the wrong direction And if we continue down this path, they could get worse if anything it shows that that fast explosive growth was There were some skewed signals and some shit that was going on I think the thing that i'm watching in regards to all this conversation that's That's and I brought it up on the show a while ago. I was under the impression that it was a thousand dollars I was wrong. It was like 700 something dollars is the new average of a car payment Which is the highest it's ever been right? It's never been that high before And the amount of debt that's being carried on on cars right now is crazy and I didn't know this but There was little to no regulation around the loans that were being given out for a lot of these cars So we had this huge explosion because of the the the Chips that weren't getting over at this high this explosion of demand for vehicles So the prices were which drove the prices Dramatically up just I sent you over the car on the couch. It was like 40 thousand dollar increase on a vehicle crazy Yeah, it's it's insane how high people were paying over msrp and that the banks were actually approving these loans So we are actually about to see something very similar that we saw on the housing market happen in the car market So you have a bunch of people right now driving around cars They bought last year at a 20 to 30 percent over msrp that now have loans That are on a car that is not worth, you know 30 40 50 grand the price Okay, so to put this in perspective you buy a brand new car off a lot it automatically loses the value anyway But now you can add an additional 20 percent to that and so you have a situation where people are going to look at their loans Like why don't I just dump this car And not pay back this loan because I could get another one for that's right now. Here's the deal and Car loans are market-based and the reason why they give out a loan is they can always repo the car Here's the and that's okay. That's how markets correct. Here's the problem If this becomes a big enough issue it could become politically expedient to come out and be a politician So hey everybody losing your cars That's why we need to help everybody out. So now we're gonna have more money We're gonna bail out the car industry so that you guys can all how weird is it gonna be when we see that again How weird is that gonna be that's gonna make the car prices explode even more for the car cars are getting more expensive What is the consensus on the bailout of the houses like is it is are we divided on Whether we believe that was a necessary evil or that we should or shouldn't have done it Or is it is it pretty clear that that was a bad idea? I think that it's clear that it was a bad idea But if you ask the average person Then you're gonna get some division right but if you look at what happened It exploded the cost of of assets even more and all it did is it pumped it up Pumped it up even more and now it's creating maybe potentially a larger problem It also created a larger divide Because you have more of the haves versus the have nots now had they allowed the market to correct It would have been some pain for sure But then what would happen is you would have a much more accurate market So which is what always happens when we flood a bunch of money into the market anymore So I mean that's I mean I I try to explain this to somebody the other day about and I told you guys before off air Like the analogy I use is like a monopoly board And if you have somebody the haves Or the people that own boardwalk and the and whatever the green the green pieces and the red pieces And they've all got hotels and houses on it and then the you know Middle-class has some properties, but they don't have any pro no houses on it yet And then the poor have got no properties or maybe one property like Mediterranean and they don't even have both of them They can't build any houses on it and they run out of money and you go. Hey, we're trying to help you out We're gonna give you a you know, here's you know, 10,000 so you can keep playing the game Well, what ends up happening? They still end up going around and the market never correct and that's exactly how that's exactly how It is happening in real life right now the the rich Have all the assets the rich have all the companies. They have all the stock in companies They have all those means and so it's all and all it's doing is delaying the process of them being more rich Right, but not only that but they don't have any incentive to changing the prices or business because if you okay, so Politicians got very involved in the housing market because it became this message that was everybody deserves to own a house This is the American dream and then they got in and said hey if you don't give loans to these people It's because they're underprivileged or because of this or because of that So we need to guarantee loans. So it's like if I gave you A hundred thousand dollars go to Vegas and I said, you know, Justin Here's a hundred grand to go to Vegas. By the way, if you lose every penny of it, I'll give it back to you What are you gonna do? You're gonna gamble every last cent Sure So there was an incentive for banks to do this knowing that they were guaranteed and they really know and the market pressures for giving out Good or bad loans that they were all skewed, right? The same thing happened with education Everybody deserves a higher education. So the loans became Crazier and crazier and what happened the price went through the roof and none of these universities So they're saying that this is the same gangster thing that's happening with the cars Is that these these banks and these these car companies are doing it knowing that the worst case scenario They'll just repo the shit and take it back So they let these people get into these loans get these cars They put their so they're when no matter what either they're gonna get somebody who's gonna pay 20 30 percent over msrp and they actually pay it down and then they really went they really went on that loan Or they default after having it for six or seven months because now they don't have a job or we're now we're in a recession And they go repo and they get it back. They go flip it and sell it again It's crazy. Yeah, but then you're gonna get a huge enough amount of people losing their cars For it to become like I said politically expedient. Oh my god, you're all losing your cars So then I step up like a politician. I go. Hey everybody I'm gonna make sure you guys get to keep your cars when you come out this new government program That's gonna guarantee that you keep your cars and what they'll do is I'll make a deal with the auto companies And they'll say Our tax dollars will print some money and we'll pay some of their loan if you give them a lower rate That's the deal they'll work out car monkey the car companies make a lot of money We inflate the the money supply even more and we create more problems Dude, I feel like I'm the only one stressing out about all this stuff, dude. It gives me heartburn I'm like god has been off dude the last like few weeks. I swear brutal It's I think it's just because of vacation let my hair down like Incorporating some of these like foods that normally I wouldn't eat and and drinking a little excessively like I've just been like I've tried to like clean it all up the last week or so I've been really trying to dial it in and it's like man, it's it's such a process once you let it Get to a certain point. It's just gets so inflamed so easy So any little bit of anything they had like one cooking. Yeah, right you got to back up. Yeah It's awful. So I mean, I'm I'm dialed it back down. So I'm just like, you know, meet veggies like I'm like in fasting some of the time too, but Like I've I've been trying to like even increase the a bit of vegetables I'm getting as well. And so I'm like also like doing some green juice in there as well You know, just to kind of like because you know, like we talked to Dr. Terry walls Yeah, I remember talking to her about that about, you know, how much Volume of vegetables you really should be intaking every day. It's pretty it's pretty substantial That conversation we had with her years ago. It was that changed me That was when I started to do like I remember when we first met Sal And he was like the first person I'd ever seen that would eat like a a giant bowl of steamed vegetables By them. So I never had done that before I do that now I literally after after Meeting Sal seeing that and kind of like kind of mocking him a little bit over it and laughing like But he looks so good That's what it was His shits are no no then I remember us interviewing Dr. Terry walls and I remember her talking to just about How much we under consume? vegetables and And then I also too before Sal I I still was still stuck in the old way as it like an old trainer of like the butters and oils thing Like if I had vegetables, my thought my thought was I needed to steam them Let's make it as gross as possible. Yeah, I mean it was like well that defeats the purpose to put butter and oil Butter and oil is bad for you. Why would I do that? So even though I knew better? I still was stuck in those old ways of cooking And I mean I guess seeing you eat that way really gave me that like Oh, I could throw some bacon in there or I can have some butter on there or oil on there And now I actually really enjoy how does the green juice affect your your digestion. Oh help. Yeah, it helps So what do you like one like two servings or something? Yeah, the two servings will do one in the morning one, you know later on in the day Even after my meals, so I'm just like kind of making sure I'm getting enough volume but another thing Courtney's been Creating her own vegetable garden outside, which has been you know fun to see that all kind of transpire and What I realized was she actually used like really high quality soil In that and I didn't realize that would make that much of a difference But I had one of the carrots So we have these carrots that are that are growing that are like, you know White or purple and orange and different ones and I had one that was like I bit into it and it was like Such a strong carrot flavor. It was like it's hard to describe But it was almost like spicy It was like, oh it was almost kind of like a ginger kind of a aftertaste and almost like was it orange Is this how they're supposed to taste? You know like it was crazy. It was white But even the orange ones they all had kind of that similar like really strong And I'm pretty convinced that it's it has to do the soil You know where you see a big difference with that? Just if you ever anybody watching this if you want to ever See what a big difference it makes and what your food is fed or how it's grown Get yourself some real pasta raised eggs And then compare them to normal conventional. Yeah, the color the bright orange is insane First of all the color is weird the conventional ones are pale The pasture ones are like this this rich kind of oranges, you know yoke and then the shell You get the conventional the shell like the crumbles in your hands like it's paper the shell and the pasture runs is hard So that's that's a big ass difference. We're gonna bring the chickens back. You know what? You know what other vegetables like that is tomatoes Yeah, I know 100 I remember getting my my my mom's husband has his own Organic garden that he grows and he has this he has to these tomatoes and they kept telling me Oh, you have his tomatoes. I'm like, I'm not a big tomato guy. Like I'm not a huge I got some in my salad this that but it's kind of like mush for me. Yeah, it's kind of whatever. I'm not a big They are they were so Rich and tasted so I we Katrina and I would eat them up for dinner by themselves Slice them up a little balsamic over the top of them little salt eat it like a like a meal It would they were so good. I gotta bring you guys some tomatoes from my dad's yard So my dad grew up. My dad obviously grows a lot of stuff is but he grows a lot of tomatoes Green beans what else egg plant? I got to take you some of the stuff that he grows In like I could tell a huge difference between his and the ones we get at the store Yeah, and it's got to be the soil and so now I see why like she's so defensive of of all because like, you know between squirrels eating all our fruit You know gophers and like dude, it's it's like this weird like like system of of Threats that it's just a constant, you know, it's like either like the ants are coming in or it's like, you know The gophers are like, you know some birds or like deer, you know We're fighting like mother nature out there always just to try and like reap the bounty of that's why I go to the store and buy it A lot easier Maybe I'll buy some of Courtney. Yeah speaking of threats. Did you guys see the video of the The chess robot playing the seven-year-old chess like there was a like russian chess champion One of the best in the world under nine. Did you see what happened? No, no Oh fucked up, bro So the chess robot takes a piece and makes a move right and the kid will make a move Well, I guess the robot made a move the kid made a move Didn't move his hand fast enough the robot went grabbed his hand thinking it was a pea broke his finger The robot uprising has started Human beings that really Little kids Melt that robot. Oh my god, how slow does that kid have to be did I see that coming? Right, I mean you're making a move. He's still thinking about the robots coming Do you imagine if you saw that a robot grab your kid or whatever? Oh, oh my god I'm gonna ax out. I wonder that's what I made this robot I bet you that's what happened. Justin is that and I bet you they hadn't programmed that in is You know in chess where as soon as you take your hand off of that to move, right? So you probably move his hand still and his hand was probably still on the piece and maybe they didn't write that in the code like but imagine Okay, first of all also like imagine the environment of the whole tournament, right? It's like under nine champion kids parents all watching everybody's like, oh, they're playing these really smart machines And a fucking robot breaks a little kid's finger Because I won't let go. Oh my god, dude That's crazy changes the whole thing. So that's the robot and there's the kid right on top Oh, look they couldn't get it out. Oh, wow. Yeah, oh dude, and they're like trying to pry it. Oh my god, a little kid poor kid Just like traumatized dude. He'll never play chess again. Oh look at that poor kid. Oh my god You know what though? You know, this is the beginning of that. Justin. I just thought of like a crazy sci-fi plot right now Okay, okay, probably thought of it in the future. First of all, let me paint the story. Adam, you're gonna love this too Okay, he's a chess champion at seven years old obviously highly intelligent kid, right in the future When the robot uprising happens like this kid is going to lead the rebellion And they're going to go back and be like, you know, when did this all start for you? Broke my finger broke my finger and that was that I dedicated my life forever to destroy all robots All robot connections. John Connor Inception anyway, yeah, dude, uh, so I finally got to take the kids out again fishing so And what was cool is we uh, we actually connected with Andrew and his kid. Oh, you guys all went together So we all got to make a thing of it. Yeah, I went to lock loman And it was like it was great. I was hoping that we'd all like catch fish It was going to be this epic outing and whatnot But you know, it uh, didn't really pan out like we had some bites and some action but literally the the whole time was like We have to like untangle these kids lines and redo their rigs and it's it was like I had to check myself quite a few times to not lose my shit You know because it was like you have to trust them that they're gonna They're gonna cast correctly and you teach them the techniques But it's like you have to let them fail too Right and like tangle up and like do all this and do it all over again and I felt like I have this whole new respect for like my My grandma my my grandpa and everything like that took me fishing and like dealt with the fact that like, okay I casted I find everything correct. But now I get it on the bottom and then I get stuck And then we have to like rip it and do it all. Oh, yeah, because if you get all frustrated and angry You're just gonna ruin the experience. Yeah, like you think it's more an advantage To be not a big fisherman do teaching your kids Or do you think it's a less of an advantage because like I feel like if you're teaching something that you're very passionate about You love you're really good at you probably have a I'd rather somebody else teach it I well yeah, because I feel like you get irritated faster because it's your you enjoy doing versus like if I was if I'm doing like for example My son and I doing the puzzles right because he loves the puzzles like Him messing up or trying the same piece forever. I really don't give a shit I suck at puzzles half the time. He's faster than I am so it's just like whatever we're doing together So I feel like I have all the patients in the world doing that But if I was trying to teach him like basketball spreading his fingers and this I'm so into that that like I could see myself Getting more frustrated. So you think it's advantage or a disadvantage to not be into the thing that you're teaching I could see one I could see advantages and disadvantages, right? Yeah, I think you just have to be Remember that the experience that you're creating and have to accept like I'm not here for me I'm here for them But boy I could see the frustration right because if you show them they're frustrated Like I have a turn them off, right? I have a friend whose dad was a high level soccer player very very high level soccer player And he was such he was so frustrated with his kid trying to teach him soccer That by the time this kid was like 12 He and now he's an adult when he's 12 He's like I don't want to play soccer ever again because his dad made a such a bad experience Well now as an adult He's like man I had so much talent because but I quit because my dad made me hate it so much He goes had he not done that I would have totally played Well, yeah, I mean and I and I had to catch myself because ever it actually caught me like like like messing with the line I'm like, oh, I'm like getting pissed that I was like, you know Having to unravel everything and like start over and and get it under the bail And so I he was like dad I see you know you're getting frustrated, you know don't worry about it and like he's about to do his own Wow, like no no like I'm just only frustrated with what I'm doing right now It has nothing to do with you You know like this this is just me trying to work my way Through and I'm processing it and so anyway It was total like a lesson for me bro when your kids call you out Oh, yeah, I remember one time my son did that to me like dad's hands just weren't made for petite things So I asked them later. I'm like would you guys want to try this again? They're they're all about it You know, you know, it's bad when they're just like, no, it's okay, dad No dad sit this one out dad, you know dad, I don't want to because I don't want to disappoint you just make you crush you God, what did I do? I know all that would have been horrible. But yeah, it turned out to be fun Hey, sorry to interrupt but check this out. We have a seriously irresistible offer from one of our sponsors Bioptermizers is offering all of our listeners a free bottle of their best selling digestive enzyme supplement called Mass Zyme so it helps you break down proteins fats carbohydrates helps with bloating Digestion helps you absorb more amino acids. No joke. 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I was never really able to Get anything hooked up, but um my question was so um prior to that I reached out to you guys on social media I'm a PE teacher I teach middle school and At that time, you know because we were in the pandemic I was teaching online and I remember sal you had said that uh Your son was upstairs you could hear him banging around up there doing burpees and uh hit type training And so that was kind of what I was doing and giving my students links to videos and stuff So I just said hey, well, what would you suggest? We we do with our students and so you said prime prime pro um fast forward then we get in person and um I was trying to work on a little bit of that stuff, you know, maybe just some general 90 90 a little bit of combat stretch But my question is I have access to at our school some About six tr x traps and another uh episode I had heard you guys talking to a caller who said that they had got their daughter into A little bit of working out and you mentioned, you know the suspension trainers and using those types of things So again, I have access to that. I have access to some of those Kaiser air machines light dumbbells and so along with all of the um traditional Sports that we do I try to do some sort of a couple days a week fitness training So want to know how you know, uh, I could incorporate that and also in the in the meantime since the question I have purchased uh maps Uh symmetry boy. Yes. I'm sorry maps symmetry. Sorry about that. Um, and I was curious, you know, because how Justin's doing with his Players with the isometric training. So as a teacher, how would you try to incorporate all that from your points of view? Yeah, no, this is this is a class, right? So this is not a sports team. This is just a pe class How many kids I I do actually do both I coach and I teach but mainly uh, so I would use them for both But a lot of the question was for my student. Yeah, okay It's gonna be different from each one and in the general in my experience general Fitness for middle school kids right now. Isn't that super great? Uh, so we're not dealing with a lot of athletes It's a lot of kids who probably spend a lot of time On electronics and you know, don't do a lot of physical activity. Would you say that's accurate? Oh, absolutely. Okay. So That being said and you're doing a class You're gonna have to keep it very basic mainly because that's what's going to be appropriate But also because you're working with so many kids. It'll be very hard to monitor anything more than basic Um with the class and if you if kids are doing an exercise that is a little above What they're capable of doing and you can't go and watch them and really have them do perfect form You may be doing them more harm than good. So I would keep it extremely basic. You can use the suspension trainers You can use body weight exercises, but it would be very very basic stuff standing squat split stance lunge Uh a modified push-up so that they can actually perform the push-up a modified row So they could perform the row. Um, you can do the wall test to help with shoulder mobility But I'll keep it super super basic You could pick like Four movements where you could pay, you know, let's say you have a class of 30 kids You could divide them into four groups and each group do one basic movement So this group over here doing a split stance squat This group over here doing these modified push-ups this group over here doing A modified row and you essentially you're doing four groups and that way you can go from each group And kind of watch what they're doing and it's not a circuit. So I wouldn't treat it like a circuit It's not like you're trying to get them to beat themselves up What you're trying to do is really work on perfecting and practicing technique form and control because that's What they're going to benefit the most from it also gives you the least Uh risk factor in terms of injuries or you know getting these kids to do something that's inappropriate I also like taking actually and I totally agree with sal But then we just had we got tagged uh yesterday in our our private forum with a coach Who was taking his soccer players? in a in a group In through a turkish get up And I think this is something I mean if I was in your position This is something that I would like to do like I would And the turkish get up you can really break the turkish get up in like eight Separate moves so I would like make a circle the kids around me I would be in the center of the circle and we'd all do the first part of the turkish get up That's it and I would just repeat it repeat it until they get that part And then I would add the second part and then the third part and then eventually We would piece the whole turkish get up to you and that could be a class I mean the whole class could literally be around Breaking the turkish get up trying to perform it and and explain every aspect of it And then get to a place where you can actually start to teach the kids that movement That is such a good movement that they they have to learn to articulate their entire body from their head to their toe That if you can get them to perfect that the carry over into a lot of the other things they're doing And it's challenging in a nice little workout. Just simply doing that so um I like the simplicity of just like one movement in the class and teaching that The same thing goes for a movement like a windmill. I think a windmill has got such good carry over It's challenging enough that you could focus just on that And then it's also got enough parts to it to where you can kind of break it up in multiple movements And teach those movements and then put it all together. That's also an option Yeah, I think my answer would be a bit different From how I was training the football team in terms of we have a very specific objective And you know going through the list of exercises and trying to figure out What I can establish and get them to learn most effectively And then what their goals are in terms of getting stronger more powerful, you know faster You know all those type of attributes versus like your average student Just trying to general health and and fitness and and strength Um, you know, I think isometrics do help Uh, you know in terms of them being able to slow down And and be able to really focus on control and and you know coordination and like all those types of things Is just understanding their body about how to generate force So I think there's value and I just don't think I would do it quite as aggressively as I did with the football team In in terms of like, you know, really hyper focusing on that for a while Because what I was really trying to establish was like how to do that how to generate more force in these compound lifts Because they didn't really understand that that aspect In general, but I think in terms of like having the prime compass tests I think there's a super value you can do that in a big group Right and you can go through all those and break them up Uh, and and then you know, even when you when you start evaluating like is is a uh, you know barbell squat Appropriate for a lot of these kids. Is it even worth like kind of go in that direction or just sticking with like split stance squats And you know focusing on like general Uh fitness like in strength pursuits where also it's like addressing a lot of the instability so you see a lot of like Movement that you can address and and slow down So I guess well my point is I would probably focus on more like the tempo and like really like slowing it down having some kind of a Maybe even having some kind of a beep Uh that they can like a cadence that they follow as they're doing the the reps So the focus is on like a metronome. Yeah, the quality of the movement Everybody's trying to hit the beat trying to get to that next position and then back up And then they're doing this kind of as a group. They have somebody watching, you know, they're doing it with partners Um, and then you know make it fun. And so you have you throwing a challenge every now and then Uh, you know to see You know because kids just respond best that way even when they're high school kids They love a challenge. So they give them a challenge get them engaged You know have them do some kind of uh sled challenge where they're where they're pushing it back and forth Um, you know some push-up challenge, you know, you get creative with that aspect of it But then you have the structure of it Really focused on like the quality of their movement and then just things that they can repeat So it's not too complicated. It's just lunges. It's just dips. It's just pull-ups You know, it's um, it's really basic It's things that they can carry with them I don't think any a lot of these kids will be able to do a single dip or pull-up Yeah, well, that's I mean you got to teach those things. Here's the key So I gear I've had I've actually had the opportunity to not only train several pe teachers, but I've actually helped Them write exactly what you're wanting to do and I made mistakes earlier on and I learned from that after I got to go see some of these classes and the types of kids that were taking and what I learned was Originally and I feel like you're kind of asking from this and this is why you're getting probably a shitty answer From all three of us and going like this helped me in that at all. That's right I still have to go figure this out Is you think like we I originally thought which is I'm trying to write a workout for these kids and that Throw that out like you're not trying to put a good workout in you're trying to teach them something So a whole class could literally be dedicated to just Teaching tempo like Justin said like today kids We are going to learn the importance of the squat and and tempo and the whole class is just Slowing down the process or I'm just going to teach you an isometric lunge and like or a push-up Or just a push-up right and and all the nuances of it and then slowing it down and talking about pot like Instead of thinking like I need to I want to try and write a good workout that's going to help all these kids Excellent point that throw that out like it's not like training you it's not like training a client It's totally different. It's like cannot if you can if you can in a in a in a uh A semester or whatever you guys break it down a quarter or whatever What if you can teach a kid? Just literally the Turkish get up what you have done for that kid or that group of kids is So much more powerful than if you wrote all these really good workouts that are Super complex and makes them burn and sweat. It's like throw that shit out 100 the biggest mistake that you'll you'll make or the hardest challenge is going to be to want to get them to Sweat and to want to get them to get sore and to want to get them to their heart rate up Like oh, I got to get them to sweat. It's got to be a hard workout No, they need to perfect and practice the skills and get their bodies to move the way they want Because a lot of other other other stuff doesn't matter. So it's gonna be yeah And getting back to like Adam what you were saying that that was kind of the the direction I was thinking because again why just finished my 28th year of teaching And you know these kids especially coming back from the pandemic being stuck at home, you know, they're sedentary And you know, you mentioned about kids can't even do a pull-up. I mean they took it out of the california state physical fitness testing, we don't even have pull-ups anymore. We might have a modified pull-up A flex arm hang something like that. But even a regular push-up They can't even do, you know, very few kids they give them one because they try That's like what we have to do. So I know Go ahead. Well, I you just said push-up and and you brought up a good point One of the more viral videos I've ever done on our mind pump tv youtube channel is Teaching the perfect push-up. I don't know if you've watched that video But I actually have I teach regressions to it how to progress it And it's a it's a hand-release push-up. So if you go to mind pump tv And go like perfect a mind pump perfect push-up. It should be a video that i'm i'm teaching That's like a class right there. I feel like you could literally take that video and then teach that for a class 100 the mentality of I need to give them a workout. That's the wrong mentality It's going to be I need to teach them to be able to move their bodies In proper ways and so it's literally that and that will actually give them better physical results also They're also going to get better results from that anyway because we tend to think that in order to get good Physical results. We have to get sweat. We have to get sore. No, keep it as basic as possible That's what you're working with and they're going to get more benefit from it. I think they'll probably value it more I think that they'll enjoy it more as well because they can feel and see the progress versus. Oh, here's the class We're just going to get sore and tired, you know back to the isometrics thing that Justin was saying Here's why I I don't like isometrics necessarily for a class like this Isometrics is so dependent on intrinsic Attention the second you turn your head that kid's not doing isometric anymore The second you turn they're just hold it. They're just holding the position So it's very hard to monitor now if i'm working with athletes There's a little bit more of a drive and motivation Yeah in competitive action, you know aspect, but if i'm teaching a class I'm like, all right guys hold this pose and really push hard or what a second I turn my head that kid's just Holding it. Yeah, I would look at it. No, they collapse down. Yeah. Yeah I would look at it more like so if you're teaching these proper techniques of let's just use push-up as the example Um, and you you've been able to establish that but now you want to add a little spice to it And you can have them hold at the bottom position As like a challenge and so that's something that's like you're not having to to queue Anything else other than they're struggling in that position in that low position And then also too they're getting more benefit off, you know as far as like they're They're they're more engaged because this is like something that they're trying to you know beat and compete Uh, you know people around them with so I mean there's just ways to kind of play with it Once you establish those, you know those main type of exercises that you're really trying to Educate them on yeah, and by the way, uh, looks like you got a really cool shirt on. What is that? Oh, this is uh one. Well, I don't want to Put out anybody else's content, but this is one of the other People I follow it's uh, I don't know if you guys are you familiar with Corey Gregory. Oh, yeah Yeah, max effort muscle, but yeah, that's that's just what I had on today. So If I had a mind pump shirt, I'd be wearing it Yeah, well, maybe well mid uh midwest poi right coal mining guy. Yeah. Yeah for sure. Yeah Well, I'll tell you what gary normally we give away free programs, but you're in california, aren't you? Yeah, actually, you know what I was going to say too a few weeks ago. I was up in santana row I was looking for you. Uh, I I grew up in in fremont. So I was I was right up over there, but now I'm in the yeah I'm in the central valley. Okay. Well, I'll tell you what what part of central valley are you? Um, the fresno area. Okay. Yeah, I grew up in modesto oakdale turlock. They'll let stomping ground over there. Yeah, okay Yeah, for sure. Well, no, I've been listening to you guys for a couple of years now. So I really Appreciate it and sal. You know, you mentioned about going to see the mad apple the other day and uh, I saw that Two weeks ago and it's kind of like what I like about your show. It's uh, you keep up on current events And then you guys give the fitness advice. So I appreciate it. It's kind of an all in one show great It was a great show. You know what I'm gonna do gear I'm gonna send you some I'm gonna send you a shirt normally. We give away free program to send you a shirt So you don't wear that one anymore Definitely appreciate that we got you. We got you Gary. Thanks for calling in man. Appreciate it. Thank you guys so much Keep us posted man. Yeah. Okay. No problem. Have a good one. Okay I tell you man, uh, there was that once that I brought this up before on the show But there's other studies that are showing this there was a study and I'll bring it up again There was a study that showed that college aged males today So I think this was like maybe within the last six years or so college aged males had the grip strength Of a 65 year old in 1983. I remember so depressing like the the strength and physical readiness of kids And it's just this is the way society moves because we become more technologically advanced It's less demanding and blah blah blah. Yeah, so I get it But when you're working with kids today like in the past you'd be like, all right guys We're gonna do pull-ups. We're gonna do push-ups They can't even do a straight arm plank Have these kids, right? So you got to bring it wave and now this doesn't mean that their bodies can't respond Adapting get stronger. They totally can it's just you got to keep that in mind group training group training is already unbelievably challenged Remember when I went on my rant years ago and pissed everybody off and said group training should die Yeah There's so much truth in that there is there is there is truth in that and it's it's just really challenging to teach A group as it is and then you add in the fact that they're young kids Then you add in the fact they're deconditioned then you add in the fact that covet is really funny I know you want to be there most of time. Yeah, and I so I actually I have I've had several PE teachers that I train I actually had a really long-term client and good friend of mine who was a PE teacher And uh, I had already kind of written programs before she was the first one that I actually got to go see it Implement and I went I didn't realize what a mistake. I was making until I like I saw it and I went Oh, shit like They're just not like and so that's where I went back and went, you know what if if a whole year went by And I could just get her to teach her kids how to do a proper push-up It would be such a win. Yes, and then and even though that's they're not going to leave that class and be shredded And go, oh my god, I got it But I will help her lay the foundation for these kids That maybe that will set them off in the future that they want to train or now they have better posture because of it And unfortunately that PE teacher like gary is not going to get a lot of good credit for what he did But I promise you he's laying a solid foundation if he focuses on yeah I mean that's and I'm glad you you brought all the way down to that point because it was like Like I don't see barbells really valuable at all and that kind of you know, they can't even control their body Yeah, they can't and so like yeah trying to even come up with some like body weight exercises that are valuable that you can Then take on with I I bet if you took a hundred average middle school kids You probably would be lucky if you had two that could do a proper barbell squat with the barbell and nothing else Even student athletes now because that used to be the ones that really wanted to be there and want to improve in our performance driven Right, like that's that's even like degraded like substantially. So yeah, so I mean it It's it is hard. It's a hard thing. You really have to sit back and like evaluate like what you're working with Did you guys see the video? I was referring to on our forum that just the kid posted it That's when our forum no, which one so he's a soccer coach and he had like oh, yeah, I did Yeah, and he and he had all the soccer ball. They were bouncing and then he was breaking down that was great It was great. And it's just it's it's complex enough That it'll be challenging for all of them right to get good at it and you and it's but it's it's Simplified enough by breaking up in eight steps They need to know how to be in their bodies They're just disconnected from their bodies and you before you can work out You got to know how to be connected and how to control and move and stabilize Otherwise the workouts will waste not only a waste of time It's a it's a very high risk of injury and problems later on our next caller is megan from tennessee Megan what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys Well, so first of all, I want to say I have been a full-time personal trainer for six years now So, you know, you guys are giving me content that are just helping me perfect my craft And so I'm just so thankful like y'all are creating real change in my life. So thank you Yeah, so before I um, well, I'll go ahead and hop into the question. So Okay, I am a 28 year old mom of a two year old and I weigh 33 or 133 pounds And I'm wanting to go into some type of cut But um, I'm at 11% body fat already. And so I kind of wanted to get y'all's intake on that But I'll give you guys some context. Um So I've always been really lean and I'm definitely naturally on the endurance side of the spectrum But the past nine years I've been strength training and focusing on building muscle And I've actually been able to put on like 20 pounds. Um, but stayed at roughly the same body fat percentage So that's I'm really really proud of that So my exercise routine right now consists of so I lift heavy for four days And then I do one day of like kettlebell work just like technique stuff because I love kettlebells Um, and then I do one day of like low intensity steady-state cardio Um, I also get 10 000 steps in every day, but I take Sundays completely off of everything. Um, so my current strength is out So I'm deadlifting twice my weight. Um, I can bench my weight my I'm working on my mobility For my squats, but I'm definitely like building that backup my strength for that backup Um, I've never maxed on my overhead press, but a couple weeks ago I did 85 pounds for four reps on my overhead press and then I can row a decent amount So I feel like I'm pretty strong right now Um, so my nutrition I am um, I eat 100 whole foods So I eat my body weight and protein so I get plenty of protein. I'm roughly at like 2000 to 2300 calories Um every day and that's maintenance. So I'm not gaining or losing there And then I also um have never had alcohol in my life. So I just feel like really full. I feel really nourished I don't feel run down or anything like that I sleep roughly eight hours a day. I mean, I'm pretty religious about when I go to bed Um, but I mean y'all know I'm up at four or five every day So, um, but I go to bed at nine o'clock every night and so I feel like pretty rested as well Um, so I feel like my stress is also pretty low even though I have a two-year-old But my hesitation is that like I guess I worry if I were to go into a cut that it would just Like I would just lose muscle and like potentially put on um, a body fat and so yeah, I just wanted y'all's opinion or um Yeah advice on that Megan, you know, we can see you, right? Yeah, okay. You look amazing. You laid out everything You look amazing for someone who doesn't have a two-year-old. You look unbelievable for somebody who has a two-year-old Uh, everything you've listed off. I is like a dream to get a client to this place where you're currently at Can I ask what I preach it's like this is my job This is what I tell my clients and so and I believe in what we do So I practice it, you know, let me interrupt for let me interrupt for a second Adam So you said 11% um, don't take this the wrong way. You don't look like you're 11% 11% is almost essential body fat meaning You you look lean But 11% is a unhealthy body fat percentage for a woman. You look healthy. I would guess you to be in the mid teens Well, and so I mean, you know, I've used I have an in-body scale like that's what I'm using And I'm regularly using that so I'm not like in a dunk tank So or I'm not doing like the calibers, but I don't feel like I look 11% body fat I know that I'm lean, but yeah, I'm just going off of my in-body and Like before I had my baby. I was also roughly 12% body fat So I've stayed consistently like this was years ago. Like even before I started strength training I really have stayed about the same body fat percentage. I've just put on muscle Yeah, you don't look you don't look 11 if you were 11% or really you would look unhealthy This is Katrina. I tell you that I saw time Katrina. You guys are the worst shape you've seen Katrina is 14 She normally hovers around 11 to 12. Yeah, weirdest thing ever. Yeah. No, but Talking about that like saying that Katrina's roughly that Do you do you so do you mind if I ask about your your hormonal cycles and stuff? Do you are do you have a period or are you on birth control? Yeah, so after I had my baby my body just decided it hated me and so all my hormones like completely bottomed out and so um About a year and a half ago. I started pursuing hormone replacement therapy And then it's just been a struggle finding the right doctor here So then like shortly after that you guys started talking about hormone replacement therapy and I it only like enforced Okay, Megan, you're on the right track and you really need to pursue this So I did do a consultation with y'alls. Um the guys that y'all work with but I wanted to work with somebody in person so Finally like three doctors later. I found the right fit I'm on the right dose of I'm on testosterone replacement therapy and I take progesterone Um, so and I've been on the right dose for about six months now So I feel so much better any girl that is like questioning going on testosterone. It's a game changer Okay, so you don't get you're not getting like hot flashes and hot cold temperature intolerances And so okay, so the hormones feel pretty balanced And I and I have a regular cycle too. So yeah, okay And I'm asking that because you know when you get too lean as a woman one of the first Easiest signs is you know, you start to see issues with the cycle Usually I can see in a woman's face if she's too lean or if she's in that state of like we need to increase body fat You don't you look pretty healthy Just from looking at you. I will I will I do want to ask one personal question though Have you dealt with body image issues or eating disorders in the past? No, and even after having my baby. It was like I I believe in what I do. So I never put any pressure. No, it's like No, not at all. I mean, yeah, why do you want to get leaner? If you don't mind me asking Honestly, I just think the body is so amazing and so like right before I had aria. That's my daughter's name Um, I did a half iron man and then three years later. I'm the strongest I've ever been in my life So I just love I just think the body's so amazing. So I just like I'm curious But I'm also not committed to it. So like if y'all feel like it wouldn't be appropriate I'm like cool, you know, I I think you have the right mindset I also think you're a healthy person in a healthy place. You're a professional in this I see value in pushing the body to those extremes as for that reason the fact that you're not So committed to it that if all sudden you started to see signs like say you lost your period Or you notice you weren't feeling good. You could back out of it. You're not committed to it So I don't have a problem with it I think I think the thing we're all we're searching for is like you're in a great place right now I mean, but I I can totally relate To wanting to push my body to an extreme that I've never seen just to see what it feels like see what it takes See how I feel when I get there. Um, it was an amazing experience for myself So, I mean, I think you're in a pretty good place to do it and you have the right mindset Do you have plans to compete or step on stage or anything? Definitely not. I know no Good And I don't want it to be like a drastic cut like I would want it to be just like I don't know and I want advice from you guys on that but no, I don't have any plans to do So here's here's what I would focus on if you do want to get a because you're you're really lean And if I had to guess I'd say you're probably around 15 16 percent based off of how you look Which is good. There's nothing wrong with that's pretty lean 11 percent It's typically too lean for a woman. Um, and these body fat testing methods can be off because If they if they guess your body fat percentage because you're a female you may store body fat a little bit differently And so it's going to give you a different type of reading. So I don't think you're 11 percent I've never met a woman at 11 like a real 11 percent that looked healthy Um, typically it's right before they go on stage and they don't they don't look too good But here here's what you're gonna have to focus on not the cut. It's going to be the after Because where you at now you're already pretty lean Go getting any leaner. It's going to get a little extreme with how you are with your diet You're already pretty dialed in so it just means you're gonna have to get a little obsessive It's going to be the afterwards. It's going to be the reverse diet That's going to be where you really have to place your focus. It's going to be Can I get my body to come back because body fat percentage is or body fat is essential It's extremely essential for a woman your hormones are closely tied to your body fat percentage Your body will say we're not going to be fertile anymore if it gets too lean if we push yourself a little too hard So you want to it's the after that you really want to pay attention to what you don't want to do is go down But like oh my god, I got so shredded and then just do this crazy rebounds If you were my friend, I would say, you know, you could play with this but play Pay very close attention to how you feel and if you start to feel unhealthy Just slowly back out of it. That that would be my advice. You said all the right things for me I I feel like your your attitude going into it The place you're at health wise the the reason why you want to do it I think you're you say to me you're saying all the right things for me to go. Let's do this. Let's have some fun Let's go try and do this. Do you are you in our private forum Megan? I'm not and I have so much you girls content, but I was like, oh my gosh I hope they get me in there for well, okay So I'm gonna have Doug put you in our forum and just keep us posted I would love to actually watch and hear this journey because I think you're a great person to do this And just keep us posted. Have you ever have you ever tried to gain body fat purposely? No But I mean like I put on 20 pounds like, you know, I've weigh a hundred and two pounds heavier for me. So And if anything, I'm eating more than I've ever had in my life and I don't have a two-year-old baby So no like I've never here's another here's another option because you're really lean You got you got you got a long way. You could you could go pretty yeah Another option just for fun just to see how you feel How your body reacts how you sleep how you feel in your body Another option would be let's see if I could go on a bulk and gain Some body fat Not necessarily just to see what it's like. Yeah, I so I agree, but I would actually do it after you're you're already play I mean, I would reduce your calories a little bit because you don't need to do very much and you'll probably see that Maybe pick up your steps Yeah, two to three hundred calories two hundred three two to three hundred calories Increase your steps a little bit. Maybe Every once in a while add in like some hit cardio post workout for 12 minutes Um, and I would progressively do that. You've probably heard me talk on the show How I would do that with with competitors is we start by just increasing steps a little bit Then I would start to add, you know, three days a week post workout hit for 12 minutes Keep increasing steps and then maybe that hit goes to five days. Just slowly progress that only cut your calories by 300 Just that extra movement the reduction in calories how lean you already are I bet you'll drop a few body fat percentage right there And then when you're the most shredded you've ever been in your life and you've kind of achieved like, okay cool I did this then do what sal saying then then the goal will be let's see how high I can get my calorie intake Up and see if you could really start pushing up to 26 2,800 calories. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I'm down for that morphe All right Yeah, but I mean if you're the space that you're in and the vibe that we're getting from you You can you can you have your base, right? You have your home base where you feel comfortable And so now you can have fun and move a little bit up a little bit down pay attention to how you feel Get in tune with your body and then what's good about this is you can identify Okay, well during this period of my life I think I want to carry a little bit more body fat because it makes me feel this particular way or You know, I think I'm going to ramp it up and get a little leaner because I feel this particular way with the context of my life So it's good to know that but I would never recommend that to somebody who I felt like You know, if you came to us at your body fat percentage and we got any inkling that you were unhealthy or there was some bad food You know relationship issues We would not tell you to try to get in the league because I'm looking at you right now Like I said, I don't think you're 11 percent, but you're lean. You're very lean. You're very fit. Um, I don't yeah So I typically wouldn't say I think you should try and get leaner But I think for just the experience And you know, kind of how it's going to feel and learning more about your body I think there may be some value there, but you have fun with it Go get it Megan Hey, and before I hop off really quick, I wanted to say like I'm obviously so grateful for the content and I've learned so much But I also want to say like for example, Sal when your wife um Went into delivery with Aurelius like I was praying for them and having everything go well And then you know with max and his surgery I was praying for him and so happy that he's doing well And then also Justin, you know, I know your youngest is in gymnastics And that's made me want to put my baby in gymnastics So although like obviously a lot of us are here for the content, but I mean I stayed for y'all's personality So I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. We'll see you in the forum Bye. Bye. Bye Okay, so you know how valuable it is that we could see them because if she talked to us and said I'm 11 percent I would have been much more now So here's it. Okay, but I would have been way more apprehensive. You know Katrina I'll bring it in. She actually I actually just recently I was going through my old books and she actually has them capped I'll bring you guys her dunk. Okay Under underwater, which is like super accurate 11 12% consistently, but let me ask you this. She does not look 11. No, no I was gonna say let me ask you this, you know out of a hundred women that are that dunk at 11 percent How many of them look healthy? Yeah, no, I agreed your point is right, but I mean she looks like that She has that kind of look to her where and I don't know what that is If they just don't carry hardly any visceral fat or if they're not hardly any in their organs and stuff like that And that's what they're so clean. The only truly accurate body fat test is when you're dead ever Yeah, they kill your body fell from way. That's true. It's 100% What it really highlights is and and I didn't want us to get too hung up on the issue 11 or not Because it doesn't matter like it's like you if you've consistently used a tool even if it's in body and has room for air It's like just consistently use it just seeing the trends Yeah, but I mean if we couldn't see her because you can I mean look doing this as long as we have I can see in a person's face And she looked bright. She looked healthy. She also, you know, answer incredible She answered questions the right way So but I would never if I didn't see her And and hear some of the stuff that she was saying I would not be like, yeah, I get leaner I'll be like, I don't think that's a good idea. She hit it right on that for me, uh, the motive when you asked What was the motivation? Yeah, that that was my motivation. Exactly curiosity. Yeah I think that is awesome I think especially it's your profession, right? This is not just some random person It's like this is her profession the the amount of insight I felt that I gained and the how much better of a coach and trainer I became from doing that It was I don't know where those lines exist, right and like finding your way back to homeostasis I mean we talk about us all the time just trying to optimize your body and all kinds of different pathways So it's cool that she's kind of experimenting in that. Yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if she did the leaner thing And then she got to let her body fat creep up, you know Five six percent above where it's at now And if she didn't have a better experience with the higher body fat percentage A lot of women feel they get there and they get over the like and then they're like, oh, I actually feel really good Yeah, I feel better. Yeah, so the only and the only thing that I I mean And it's we are totally I'm being totally critical at this point, right? Because I think she's in such a great place Uh, I don't know if you guys remember So melissa was the last person that I coached for a show and we kind of documented her journey When I first got her she was eating about 1,900 calories was already in really good shape very similar kind of body type as as hers As megans, uh, we got all we have to 2,800 calories So she could easily with the amount of activity she's doing the amount of muscle I see on her body like that strength that she tells me she's got some good genetics Yeah double body weight deadlift and to have that kind of strength with her body fat percentage Yeah, so I think a cool goal for her after she does this getting lean would be To see how high she get her core can take up. Yeah, I think she can get her maybe just some powerlifting Yeah, as well. Our next caller is david from texas. What's up david? How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going? Uh, I have to say before anything else. Um, I'm really grateful to be able to talk to the three of you or to the four of you because I got talked about right now and You guys have made a huge impact both in my professional life with uh With personal training and with my personal life because uh, I went through a lot of stuff a couple years back And the podcast was just something that was something that I would look forward to a lot and uh It made things easier to deal with I'll just say that so I just want to say thank you guys Thank you, man. Thanks. Awesome, David All right, so my question is, um Um, so I'm I'm starting a lean bulk and I actually uh, I I ended up hiring a coach that I met on the private forum on the mind pump private forum and, uh Basically, uh, I want to bring up just my delts and my uh bison tries I don't really want to bring up anything else. I'm I'm pretty happy with with, you know, my back development my Just development my legs. I'm pretty content with all that. So I just want to bring up my my uh, my arms really just this area right here and Uh, my original question was um Should I be running a program that just brings up the volume on those particular areas that I want to bring up and not Not uh, you know how a lot of mass builder programs will end up bringing up the volume on pretty much everything And my question was should I run something that just brings up the volume on on those lagging body parts because I feel like if I bring up the volume on everything All my body is going to do is just grow what's easy what's easiest for it to grow if that makes sense Or worse, it won't grow at all because you're just overstimulating. You're giving it too much. So that's a great question Um maps aesthetic, right? Have you do you own maps aesthetic yet decisions? I don't know. I have a kb4a, but I don't have maps aesthetic. Okay. We're going to send maps aesthetic to you that Literally, that's that's how and why it was written for exactly what someone who is trying to bring up a specific body part Uh, you want to increase the volume, but you don't want to do it to the entire body to where you get, you know You end up hitting. Yeah, no Actually, your intuition is on point one of the biggest mistakes people make when they're bringing up a lagging body part Is they they add more volume to the lagging body part And now they're doing too much volume overall for the whole body So best-case scenario the whole body Progresses at the same rate as before meaning the lagging body part remains a Unbalanced for the rest of the body, but that's usually not what happens What usually happens they just end up over training and nothing happens So your intuition is right spot on so I like to tell people Do this look at the body part that you have now that is your fastest responding the one that you're like Look, I'm happy with it Take volume from that body part and then add it to the body part that you want to bring up Right. Yeah, like the the coach that that I hired could I give her a shout out to uh, by the way Sure, go ahead Because I did find her on on on the mind pump forum. So uh, her name is katie and uh, The company's name is bar path fitness or she's she's really she's been really great and you know, she's super smart She does a lot of uh, I can tell she elicits to you guys as much as I do Awesome good deal. Uh, but yeah, like, uh I just noticed, you know, when I first started working out, which is almost 10 years ago um Really, I remember Even then my traps my back and my legs were like the first things that grew and ever since then I never like I always struggled growing my delts, especially the side belt My arms were never Up to par with with the rest of my body It always felt like they were just lagging behind and I think a mistake that I made across the years was every time I tried to bulk Was exactly that I would just bring up the volume on everything or just wasn't really like paying attention to those body parts Yeah, no, it's that's on point. That's 100 on point maps aesthetic is is written that way So I would go maps aesthetic and your focus sessions or delts and arms another another small tip And I've salve said this many times on the show. So you've probably heard it is uh, a simple thing too because Traditionally when you all of our programs are written this way and most programs You start off with like squats or deadlifts or the big movements But if I had shoulders as a specific muscle, I'm starting the workout with that So start right so even if it's if you're following like maps aesthetic and we have squats in there I'm actually going to start my workout with my my delts my delts So before your bench you do shoulders, you know biceps before that which you never do before But in your case, I would do it that way. Yeah It's a slightly just rearranging the order just to bring priority to those body parts, right? That's right That along with the increased volume and frequency And you know not adding it to all the body parts that alone Over time you should start to see some some faster results out of your weak body parts Cool and uh another question just related to that is um, I struggle a lot with connecting to my delts I think that's the reason why they don't grow is or at least part of the reason would be that Is I just I I get other than my rear delts. I can't feel my front and side delts working Yeah, go go way lighter Way lighter and work on your form until you feel it This means you may have to go down to like two pound dumbbells Yeah, even hold like an isometric pose and really try to squeeze and make that Mind-muscle connections sort of happen as as the priority. Yes This is another reason why I love the z-press you've heard me say this Probably a bunch of times on the show like the z-press someone like you a z-press and to hold and stabilize at the top Like you'll you'll light your shoulders up. It's such a great great exercise to teach someone to work on their connection there So do the z-press when you do the z-press Make sure you hold and stabilize at the top every time. It'll help work on that connection Cool sounds good. I'll definitely give that a try. Thank you guys so much. All right, man. Thanks for calling in, David Yeah, thank you. You got it Yeah, he literally said the biggest mistake that people make when bringing up a weak body part is they they Add overall volume to the workout Rather than what you need to do is you need to borrow Volume from the body parts that respond really easily and well And then take that volume and add it to the weaker body parts So if it's you know if it's your like for me, it was my like my legs my legs just respond like crazy So if I want to bring up a body part that's challenging for me, let's say chest I'm going to do less legs more chest I'm not going to just add chest because now I'm doing just total way more volume And I'm probably going to tip the scales in terms of doing too much in which case nothing happens One of the things that uh, we didn't say to him But I want to make sure we comment on that when you're trying to like like the delts for example Or arms are like this too if that becomes like a priority and you start to lead your workouts Uh, what you normally will see almost always is now all of a sudden your big lifts that you used to do first drop down They drop down and people get discouraged. They think oh, oh god, this isn't working or I'm getting weaker by doing this now You do your shoulders before bench. You're not going to be lifting that's right So just keep that in mind if you're somebody who's exhausting them doing something like that That is completely normal and again the focus is you're trying to bring the delts up So don't worry that your bench just dropped a little bit It's not like well and also to the focus sessions like it's it's The intensity is really something that you want to make sure and manage appropriately And make sure that that's you know on the lower end like I guess we kind of compare them to more of like a finisher at the end So we we take a lot of the exercise Mainly machines and cables and things like that that aren't quite as damaging To add in to to really keep that volume going up But not as much on the intensity right our next color is joe from hawaii Joe, what's happening man? How can we help you? Well, uh, first off it's an honor to be here with you guys been been a fan of yours for a few years Um But I guess I'll give you a little bit of a background For for my question. So I've been a full-time personal trainer for about three years I started uh working in a gym Uh, I thought I was doing pretty good there then covet hit shut the gym down And I still wanted to stay relevant in this craft So I responded two years ago. I responded to a request to work with advanced age senior citizens Basically from the ages of 80 to 100 plus years old Wow The interview was pretty cool. It said uh, look we have no idea what this program is supposed to look like All of our folks are deteriorating due to the quarantine and we need your help folks who can't walk Who could walk can't walk anymore So we need your help So I started working and I thought I knew what they needed But it took me a few months to figure out what they really needed and I learned a ton And now our goals are basically functional fitness Uh maintaining whatever independence they have and trying to fight for that quality of life Even at that uh at advanced age Right now I have 28 clients with various and diverse limitations I got folks in walkers wheelchairs, um Parkinson's neuropathy of the legs Some of the folks most of the folks I can't lay down because it's it's too much of a workout to get it back up I teach two boxing classes two stretch balance breathing classes Two seated strength classes and I have multiple small person tribes in about 12 one-on-one sessions. All right, so Long with it. I know now here's the preference to the question besides physical therapy There are minimal options for this age group to get their fitness needs met We're talking the folks that can't get to the gym all the personal trainers that I talked to that work with seniors They're working with folks who can get to the gym So what resources besides physical therapy are out there for me to strengthen my skill set as the trainer for this population? And uh, the second question is right now. I use a generic senior fitness assessment Um, are there other assessment or measurement tools out there to evaluate this advanced age uh Improvement in fitness. Oh wow great question. Okay. So so just to summarize you you want to know Where you can learn how to work with this population better and work with them more, correct? I've been doing research so hard and I've done everything I can the best of my ability And I'm at a point where I I know I can take this program further Okay, and you said besides physical therapy So you've already worked with physical therapists who work with this age group and you've learned you're learning from them already Yeah, we've got a great connection because the physical therapists they they kind of feel proud that they have someone to refer them to so that way they don't get Get reignited to do the same person the same problem a year later Um, but there's my schedule is full and I don't know where to send people anymore Oh, I see You know, I would look at uh, so in terms of who to send them to that's a real tough one I think finding other trainers like yourself who are interested in working with the population Having someone work under you that would be a good place to find or work with referrals I think in terms of learning um, I would go to the medical community and I would go with uh Doctors that specialize in neurobiology I would work with pain specialists So uh doctors who work with pain pain medication Had a decipher pain work with pain Um, and then I would work with some mindfulness individuals and I like mindfulness because Uh, when you're working with someone at that at that stage Some of the issue is the fact that they're they've accepted where they're at and there's nothing wrong with accepting where you're at But the sense that moving any further, you know the whole saying you can't teach an old dog new tricks Moving any further sometimes can be the challenge and people will say to you like I don't care I don't want to do that. That's not a big deal or whatever. So working with mindfulness Uh experts or practitioners In my experience brought me some value with working with uh, this particular uh population But and then you know, here's some fun stuff You can use so I learned this from a physical therapist and maybe you've already done this before but I saw a physical therapist use a balloon As an exercise tool with uh advanced age and you might think well, how how the hell do you use a balloon? She would literally stand away from the individual And pop the balloon to them and they'd have to reach to hit the balloon back in different directions And it improved the proprioceptive ability. It sounds so silly But it made a huge difference. So it's stuff like that, uh, you know I found to be very very valuable when I was working with people in that age group Where would you guys recommend is the best resource for him as far as like isometric training As far as either a book or Yeah, even I mean you could definitely do isometric stuff with this this age group. You would just scale it way back, right? Yeah We do a lot of isometric they seem to be very safe exercises for folks with osteoporosis and stuff. Yep. Um What I mean one thing one of my friends ryan glatt He just came out with an entire program for like neural feedback and like brain training I think that would be a great fit for that community And it's really it's just about, you know, physically Holding positions or just maintaining focus Um, while he has like a directed Um focused with with the the neural feedback program that he put together So it's it one of those things that isn't really addressed a lot in the fitness community is like, um, you know that that type of, uh, Real real hyper focus on just just maintaining position and being able to cognitively Kind of, you know, maintain control So I think between that I'm trying to think of other other programs that are similar like isometric wise Like most of them are in the performance, you know, you know, joe I'm just not to get into the weeds. Okay here, but when you look at this population It's easy to identify that, you know lack of movement Is a big problem, right? They got to move more They got to build some strength build some muscle improve mobility and bone and bone health But there's another factor here and you're working with their health There's another factor here that's a big one in this age group that we tend to not pay attention to Which is there's a high percentage of these people that start to feel lonely And some of the results that they get from working with people It's just the fact that they're working with people that they're just talking with people and moving with people This is why I like mindfulness experts That will will love to work with this generation of of individuals So this age group because the benefits are far-reaching just meeting with someone talking with someone Breathing exercises mindfulness the the benefits for everybody is is far-reaching But when you look at this this particular age group, it's massive and you see their studies that show improvements in physical health Just from like people visiting Some of these senior homes just people showing up visiting and hanging out with them for 15 minutes You see improvements in blood lipids and markers and mobility just from that. So that can't be overstated as well So along we uh, oh go ahead. I'm sorry. No, I was actually going to ask sal something Related to that then so in europe because you definitely out of the three of us I'd say this is more your category at least than mine for sure um What do you think there's value in him actually Getting some consultation from like a a therapist who would actually even help him with the types of stuff to try and have Conversations around or types of questions you should prod them out to bring up good memories I mean, is there do you see value in in learning some skills like that? Definitely when you're dealing with specific situations, uh, like if you're dealing with dementia And the issues that are challenging with dementia or like you just like you lost a partner Like say you you're here with obviously that this age a lot of these people either have just lost or maybe lost a partner Uh conversation, but you can even take it you can even go way back Okay, because this is my personal experience. Okay when when I was working with people over 80 The word therapy or counseling a lot of them were like no because that generation. No, I'm saying for him Yes, he goes through it. He learns some of the skills that they apply to someone like that So you could be like working with them and then kind of prodding agree. Yes, and then for them things like You know, I had a client once in this age group and I set her up. There was this this volunteer service that would bring dogs They would bring dogs and puppies To hang out with people in the sage group and the benefits were tremendous. I would see physical benefits from stuff like that Just like you see physical detriment Sometimes I bring my daughters with me to work out with them and they love it Oh, oh, yeah, I mean stuff like that, right? So so broaden your scope You've got the physical part down broaden your scope and and look into like all the things that that they deal with this at this age Pain management mobility depression Loneliness like, you know, just having someone to have a conversation with mindfulness like this this this entire category Will contribute to their health That's such a good point. Sal. Like if you can if you can like at this age The percentage of strength or whatever you're going to get is going to be so minimal But if you could increase just their will to live by three percent, right? Everyone who comes to my class is they're excited, man They're pumped up. Uh, they're they're motivated to fight for their functions I don't have to motivate them anymore. I used to First started to have to throw a balloon at them to get them moving. Yeah, but I did and um the social aspect I start every class off Challenging them to remember each other's names. Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah, perfect A war chant beforehand. We like he's some energy in the room And we do a war chant together so it brings that teamwork So I know some of them are just there for the social aspect Yes Now, yeah Are you using like props and aids like in terms of like so TRX because I know you're focused on the function and the strength of like them maintaining their abilities Like how many of those things are incorporating with chairs and with, you know, things that they can hold on to Minimal equipment not a big budget. Um, but I use a lot of bands. I use chairs dumbbells I bought a big balance Rail I use balance sticks which are big sticks, you know, uh for isometric exercises And um, and we just do a lot of postural work. I'd be honest I've learned a lot from you guys Especially with the eldoa and I'm actually signed up at the end of this in two weeks to go to san jose To that eldoa training and I've been using some of the things from your videos for the isometric holds and stuff Excellent good Excellent. Yeah, I mean just just to highlight what you're saying Joel like you could take someone who uses a walker And an exercise literally is Take your hands off the walker and stand up tall and let's hold that for five seconds And that that presses hard down on the walker Yeah, or don't even press just take your hands off and try and stand up tall and just hold that or Just reach your right arm up above your head Let's and I would measure their distance and I would see if we can get a little further each time I mean stuff like that, right? But I listen I cannot stress this enough Joel I know for a fact that half of the benefits my clients got Was the fact that they got to see someone and be in my studio and have conversations with everybody And have something with fortune and you know, it's funny the most consistent clients I had the ones that never Missed a session. We're in this age group. They never missed the session And it's because they look forward to that Interaction so that can't be overstated So look in that direction because I think that's where you'll see some value It sounds to me Joel like you're doing a hell of a job Yeah, I think I think you're you're you're on the you're in the right place You're in the right mindset what you're growing. I mean, it's literally just a matter of just more time and more experience You're you're probably better at than any of us in here. So this is a big need. Yeah, this is this is one of those segments So the fitness industry. I don't like have like a professional I could be like, oh this guy's killing it, you know, so I love that you're diving into, uh, you know that side of fitness Hey, you know, uh, just kind of share some of the awesome feedback like so the best feedback I get sometimes is when they forget their walkers at the end of a class. Yes Oh my god, that happened to me a couple times Exactly. Oh, you just brought back some memories. That's great. That's great. Oh, hey, I don't fall down Into the toilet seat hoping it works out. I can now lower myself down So great. What's it take for granted Joe? Are you are you in our private forum? I am not. Um, we own, uh, quite a bit of your workouts, uh, stuff because we enjoy the program And you guys put together me and my wife But I'm not in your private forum. I'm gonna have Doug put you in there and I love to and I actually since you're on the hunt and in this Uh, I'd love to hear some of the stuff that you find out on your search because like Justin said Um, I don't have like a go-to place that I think I would refer you to that was going to give you even more information That we just talked about so if you find anything I'd love to hear back from you and your and your process Yeah, it feels like an untapped area unless you're a physical therapist. You're not really working All right, man. Well, thanks for calling in Joel I appreciate you guys. Thank you, man Yeah, I want to say this to all the trainers listening right now because I know I know this when you become a trainer the last Segment of the population you think you want to work with is this age group? You think you either oh, I want to work with athletes or I want to get you know moms fit or you know business man Whatever, I'm gonna tell you something right now By far this was the most rewarding segment of the population ever worked with because You just take there's so many things you take for granted like he said he just brought back some memories I had I remember I had a woman who forgot her cane. She walked out to her car Drove off drove back comes back and goes I can't believe I forgot my cane and as a trainer It's like it's profound and it really does stretch your capabilities and you see the the effects of what you do Dramatically, so it's not like oh, we gained 10 pounds of the bar It's like I was able to reach up and my cupboard and grab a glass of water. I mean it just it just screams opportunity You know like huge to all this like I just the whole time racking my brain Because I know like I'm sure I've met some people that have like done a good job You know in that community, but it's just not nobody's standing out So there's plenty of room for trainers to you know come in there and make a big impact huge And again, they were the most consistent clients I had they did not and they were the hardest ones to stop training They were the ones that were like, uh, what am I gonna do, you know without so very rewarding So I I implore any trainers if you're looking for a segment check this one out. I really like that guy I think he's uh, I think he's on the right path I mean it sounds like he's doing a lot of a lot of the right things already And so he's you could tell that how much joy he gets from it So it's cool to see a trainer like that Look if you like our information head over to mind pump free dot com and check out our guides We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal You can also find all of us on social media So Justin is on instagram at mind pump Justin Adam is on instagram at mind pump at him and you can find me on twitter at mind pumps out How do I Incorporate cardio and not lose muscle seeing people do this before where they'll start to lose the sharpness of their Muscles or they'll start to lose the sculpt a little bit and that's disheartening But if you do it right then you minimize that muscle loss or that metabolism slowdown In fact, if you do it right you can actually speed up your metabolism at the same time that you build stamina and endurance You just have to be able to kind of program it properly and the way to program it Improperly is just go do as much cardio as you can for as long as you can right?