 So welcome back to Why In The Morning and this is Youth and Politics. I go by the name of Pymosis or it's by my own every social media platform and today I'm joined by a very able Mr. Alex but before Alex talks to you, I write 5.4 on Twitter, I write 5.4 on Instagram, I write 5.4 on Facebook is the way to interact with us. Hashtag is Why In The Morning, Hashtag is Youth and Politics and let's get involved in governance. So right to you Alex. Oh many thanks of course for keeping it Why 2.5.4 we get to bring you Youth and Politics and of course Barry. Yes that is our first topic of conversation. The President was in Tanzania but before we talk about that I'd like to introduce the President of Bungala Wanaenshi himself, Karibusana and Kilimani MC Esperant 2022. So you can introduce yourselves maybe Tanzania. Your camera is number four. Thank you for inviting me today to this station. My name is Enrushitandam, I'm the President of Bungala Wanaenshi and I am humbled to be with you here. Thank you. Karibusana, Mr. President. Yes. I just told them. And you see the most work. I want to say something. I have been working for a long time. I have been working for a long time. I have been working for a long time. So it's time to eat. It's time to eat. It's time to go to the States. You can go to the States. So Alex, there's this topic of conversation. Yes, yes. This issue is actually a developing story about the fake letter. The DP's fake letter. And actually the story is quite, is really emerging as a big deal right now. Because we have the... One of the communication had. The actual digital communication had. He was... He said I cannot write any statement of... No comment. Until you know my lawyer gets here. And I'm like... You get into some place, you know. All right. And it's very suspicious when somebody says no comment. I have the right to remain silent. I have the right to get an attorney. And somebody looks very suspicious. As much as it is your right to remain silent. It looks very suspicious. So what do you guys... What is the story of the fake letter traced back to the DP's office? Okay. One. You know, everybody has a right. Chapter 4 of the Constitution that is Bill of Rights. And the issue of this malicious letter. You notice the work of the investigative agency. To know actually where this letter came from. And they are doing their job. And according to me, I think that letter... Wanted to paint the government bad image. Whereby we will go back to the issues of 2007. Whereby it's had by clashes. Because once you say that you want to give the deputy president the second person in command. What do you think from college community? From his supporters. What will happen? I think... Kenyans... We need to focus things that will help the country. But not politics of 2022. Not politics of 2022. This ties down to the politics of 2022. Sorry? You think this ties down to politics of 2022? Yeah. All right. Before we talk about that. I'd like to know your view on this. Unafkriyanini is your history as deputy president. The letter has been traced back to his office. We are not saying is involved. But it has been traced back to his office. Yeah. According to me, no. I think politics of 2022. And this letter can be... Maybe the author. I don't know... If there is an assassination... If there is an assassination... It can be... It can be a sympathy vote. But... I think it's a backlash. Because... I go to private sector. At the moment, I don't know what happened but I have to do whatever I can to a great deal. I then club myself as deputy president. If I can control my office. So... Then I return the job as deputy president. They are friendlyampaimos. So, it has varied... In politics... Any publicity. It's perfect for you. And for you to remain relevant, you have to make sure that you're supporters. Even if it means addressing issues of alcoholism while drunk. No, it is about morals. I'm not happy to vote member of parliament for Molo Deed because as a leader, a young man like me, you have to show the leadership. All right. What we have to focus on. Yes, there's something actually the latest developing thing is that the letter actually has been led that it was uploaded on social media in Karen. So it's not about G Ruto and all that. What do you think the fact that, could it be like someone uploaded it just for the sake of, you know, simply votes? Sometimes if you're a politician, you can use any game. For example, the person who did that letter, you can decide and post that letter from the office of the deputy president in Karen, or you can decide and hang around the state of the post the letter. The investigative agents, they realize this letter posted from Karen or state house. So that is also a political game. We need to move on to other topics. But before we move on, I'd like to know, what do you think is the future of this office of the deputy president? What are the options that the president has as of now, considering the letter has been traced back to the DPs office. If you were the president, what are some of the possible outcomes this could have had? Okay. If I was the president, because I'm the deputy president. Deputy president. Because when the deputy president is on top, there's a possibility. There's a possibility in CAPS. All right. So what is the future? What are some of the possibilities that can come out of this? For the deputy president, one, he can get sympathy from people. Two, it will look like some people in government, they're fighting him for his political future, not to become the president in 2022. And another thing, right now the investigation is still going on. We don't know who is the author of the letter. We don't know where that letter came from. We are just speculating. So that is why the president himself called the DCI to investigate. And the only person who can come up with the truth is the DCI, who has powers and demanded to investigate. And that is what he's doing. Probably, presumably, what do you think might end up leading to, do you think that the fact that Ruta is the deputy president, do you think that he can escape if by chance he's called guilty of this? What we need to know that right now in Kenya, we are in political mode. We have a team called Keleweke. We have Tangatanga. We have Wanjiku. And the other more teams. So for the future of the deputy president, if he wants to be the president of the public of Kenya, one, he must avoid earlier campaigning. Two, he must respect the presidency. Three, they have to abandon that Tangatanga team and work with the president because right now you can see in government it is like we have two government right now. We have people allying to the deputy president and we have one other team, Keleweke and Wanjiku, allying to the president. So if the president wants to live the legacy in this country, him, the campaigners are a joint ticket. And for us or as a country to move forward, these two leaders, they must work together and show us good leadership. There's something you've just mentioned. And probably from that, let me ask, there was an alleged meeting that with the North Kenya region leaders and deputy leader, the president actually abruptly went to the meeting. So what do you think like could emerge in all this because it seems like you have said that there seems to be a standoff between team Keleweke and Tangatanga. You know, sometimes you cannot know how the government is working. And there's nothing bad for people in Kenya to go and to do their own meeting. It is the same if I go to Western and do a meeting with my fellow people. You're probably addressing the issues that are affecting my people. So I can't see anything wrong for people in Kenya to meet or the president to attend that meeting because he comes from the same region. And anything that is happening in the central, it affects him as a leader. And you know, the president is the kingpin of central region. So I can't see anything wrong there. All right. I think we'll summarize this with the famous saying, let the investigations be great. Let's wait for the results of the investigations. Our president was in Tanzania. Definitely. And actually he was there for two days. And you know, he was addressing the issue that Honorable Jaguahe about the foreigners. And probably just to ask, you want to be a leader in the next probably a few years from now, 2022 general elections, what do you feel about the issue of actually there's this issue that has just come up with a Markema issue? The question is, yes, the combo actually, what do you think you do as a leader if once elected for that about the issue of the foreigners? I would have to say I'm not going to be a leader in the next election. I'm not going to be a leader in the next election. No, no. But I think it's important that the international politics that I have in my life, but I want to assist him because I'm a boy of that size in Tanzania. I have friends in Tanzania. I know that I'm not going to be a leader in the next election. But I think it's important that I rise up and I'm going to be a leader in the next election. Yes. So, the Government of Kenya and the I'd like to quote Ja'gwo, to our piga, to our fkuzza, and to our pelikeyaput. Bring us on board on what exactly we think that is. What I think is, Siisi kamaw ke nga tofa, first priority, sii tofa nge kazi paale. So, ahmaja maw toka tangawa kikuza, sii sii tofa nga o kontrol. You seem to have a different opinion. Yeah, I have a different opinion. You know, the person who created us, all of us, he created us by one image. And I think what Jaguar said as a leader, it is unacceptable. One, you can go and do or work in Tanzania because you are East Africa community. The president of Kenya is trying to make sure that he leave a legacy. Not only in Kenya but in East Africa. Whereby you can go and do your job in Uganda, Rwanda, even Rwanda. And if you go to Dar es Salaam, there is a place called Nyama Choma. This place is run by a Kikuyu person. And it's one of the biggest hotels. Now, the people or our neighbors from Tanzania, they have employed people in Gikomba, for them to get a living. But you as a leader to come out and say that to take care of people, that is unacceptable. And once we move forward, we need that free enterprise. We need a bigger market. We need to be able to sell Tanzania. That's one of the aims of the ASC commission. The East African community, that's one of the main aims. You can train. If you look at the place from South Sudan, he was in Kenya. And there were the electoral agreements. And actually they were given land to build. And Kenyans are going to work on that. But there are issues about Moliwi. Kenyans in Tanzania, Kenyans even in Juba, they are being harassed there with authorities. But nobody is talking about it. I was watching Kenyans in Emirates, and I was listening to them. But they are going to work on Kenyans, they are going to have a soft landing. The authorities are going to relax. So they are going to be 50-50. So you think an eye for an eye is the way. The issue is here that Kenyans throw a constitution, a 2010 constitution. Everybody has a right to work anywhere. That is why we have the East African Parliament. And the East African Parliament. Kenya is represented, Tanzania is represented, Uganda, Rwanda. So, for us also we need foreign exchange in this country. We need our people to get jobs. For example, Uganda, it is a landlocked country. And for them, even to get this vehicle to their country, they must pass through Mombasa. So we need these people, for us also for the government to run, to get revenue from Uganda, Tanzania. But Kenya is a superpower country in East Africa. And also, what Tanzania, they are doing in the 8th of Africa. Yes, we are in the 8th of Africa. What Uganda countries are doing in Kenya is a pure difference. Because we are like first-class countries, Uganda is a second-class country. So we should lead by example. Yes, we should lead by example. How do you feel? You are a Kenyan, then foreign comes here and bulls you in your own country. All right, those ones we can check. We have the law to limit that. We have the law to do that. We have some loopholes. How do you want to make up? Lazy or Titan? Lazy or Titan. Because me, who are the people, the government, and my boys, I go to the police, they don't ask me to do anything. I think I have my friends from Nigeria because they are giving something. I am free. I am free. I am free. I am free. I am free. When I am foreign, I am free. Because I am so foreign. Let's regulate. That's what you are saying. But we unanimously agree to our pigards as a wrong state. Another thing, the issue of corruption in this country, if you are a foreigner, you want to apply for the company. Because we have cash. In Rwanda, if you don't have money, and they know this person can bring something, this country, they will help you for free. So those are some of the issues we need to address. We'll be talking about them. But now we have to move on straightly. There's this topic of conversation about MP's portion for cabinet members to be appointed from MPs. Yes, yes. So they want to amend the constitution that says cabinet members shall not be MPs or should not be MPs. So they want to amend this part of the constitution so that the cabinet can be selected from the members of parliament. And the reason they are saying this is that they can question these members of parliament in parliament in matters affecting their constituents. What do you guys think about this? I think the main issue is MPs, where the cabinet members will be the presentable This is the luggage that MPs will carry around when they are appointed. So we will have to pay for it because we are not allowed to use it. It is a techno-crated act where you have to carry it so that it will be used All right. So what your trying to say, the cabinet members are not held accountable as we speak. Yes. The constitution does not provide, does not have provisions to hold them accountable. It has, but for some loopholes. Because here, they do it like, maybe it's a corrupt, it's a corrupt party. You can't see it at home. You can't tell me it's a corrupt party. But I'm not a fool. I'm just sitting here and saying, why are you going to go to home? Why are you in the pressure? You seem to have a... We have really members of parliament. And we cannot create two jobs for one person. I think we lack job opportunities in this country. And another thing, 2010 constitution, that is I think chapter 12, that is executive that has powers to appoint the cabinet secretary. And also it says that the cabinet secretary must be a person who is not politician. If you give a politician opportunity, he's a member of parliament. Another thing is a minister for roads. What do you expect? He'll do that development to his own constituency. But if you give opportunity to outside person, the qualified person, the man of integrity. Because the president has powers to fire the cabinet secretary, whether you're corrupt, he has those powers. But if you're a member of parliament, the president doesn't have powers to fire you. So, I think that debate is unacceptable to me. It's unacceptable. It's moving backwards. Yes, yes. Probably out of then, how can you range the current cabinet secretaries? I think the current cabinet secretary that we have only three most powerful cabinet secretary. We have Matiang, who is in charge of security. We have minister for finance, man of Eurobonds. Then we have another minister for the ICT. Yes, yes. Jim, those are two, three powerful ministers. But for me, I think what I can give them... Yes, out of ten. Out of ten. Maybe I can give them six percent. Six percent. What about you? I'm from Matiang. I'm from U.C.S. and I'm from Goa. Because I'm from Goa. I'm 19 years old. Because me, my father, I'm a master. I'm from U.C.S. and I'm from Bombay. Bombay? Yes, I'm from Bombay. So, I'm from Goa. Because I'm from a social group, I'm from CBA. I'm from Goa. But I'm from Ometulia. I'm from Goa. So do you think if cabinet secretaries were being appointed from parliament, Goa could have gotten a chance? Yes. But he's not a politician. He's not a politician. He's not a politician. He's not a politician. He's not a technocrat. He's a technocrat. He's not a technocrat. He's a technocrat. Yes, I'm from CBA. But I'm from Tekazia. I'm from Tekazia. Maybe I'm from Tekazia. Maybe I'm from Tekazia. So you're anti-Teknocrats. So, something also about the MPs and the guys that are coming up with the amendment, they're saying we just want to reduce the wage bill. which is quite an issue right now we're talking about the referendum with that we alliance party talking about the referendum let me ask do you think we are ready for a referendum as a country you know we need to know what are the questions for a referendum there is no questions we need to see what are the questions if the question is to say that let us now reduce the position of mcs let us remove mcs let us remove the members of parliament let me just be specific let's let's first of all deal with the current issue that we have they say they should not be less than 14 cabinet secretaries and not more than 22 all right in sick to reduce the wedge bill so do you think less than not less than 14 and not more than 22 will do remember the same same members of parliament they have already increased themselves with 250,000 for the house allowance so it will be very unfair for them to come and tell us now what we do let us reduce the wedge bill because of other people so for me the issue of referendum the country right now we are we are not ready for referendum and another thing it is only two years we are going for another election and we don't have money as a country even up to now we have civil servant whom they have not received their salaries we have this is finding pending projects you are sure this is factual yes we have we have people we have people hmm the civil science we have people in government who have taken that system it is like they own it and they think they can keep we are citizen busy singing their song that is why every time when the countries in a good mode they will come up with another shaking mode whereby they keep you busy with let us go for referendum referendum referendum in Asia then they'll come up with another tune in security in Asia because that is out there and there we are tuned to that all right so you think this referendum is just an antique we don't need it and also as a leader you must make sure that you keep everybody uncomfortable but do you agree let's talk to your leader here give you a referendum this is all the magic come on We have some issues to address, the 7th of the 7th month and this used to mean so much to this country back then and it was spearheaded by the youths and this is a youth station we'd like to talk to the youths and it has lost a lot of its significance. Do you think the youths are getting comfortable or they've moved their protest to other places? You know, as youths, we have come from far and this country has come from far. Since 1990 during the Malapati democracy, that is where even Bungalow 90 started and it was very painful that day of Sabah Sabah, people were killed, others were tortured and as a country we can see the way we are right now, we cannot compare in 1990 right now we have our new constitution, people are more intelligent, we can express ourselves and also youths in leadership, we have seen our members of youth being appointed in some of the cabinet sector and others in prostatos, but we need to focus, we need to start fighting for our own there's no need for people to start telling us that youth are leaders of tomorrow what about today, who is our youth container? We need to start focusing on things and leadership and don't expect to be given fight for that position Fight for the position? Yes Probably just to ask you, when you are becoming leader, do you think as leader, as young people we have been given the platform to speak out? Yes, I am grateful to my own presidential candidate and the platform that I have been working on is the Routes Party of Kenya and the presidential candidate is Professor George Wajakoya Yes, I am privileged, I am a stage, like showcase what you can so I think since I am a youth, I have a lot of knowledge so I have been working on it since I was in school and I am grateful that I am a youth There are so many ignorance I have been working on it since I was born in Kenya but I have been working on it since I was 3 years old Do you think you are a youth? Yes, I think I am a youth because I have opportunities but I think I am a youth because I have a lot of skills so I think I need education I have a lot of education since I was in school and the story is about certificates because I am a student I have a lot of energy I have a lot of certificates I am a class 1 student I have a lot of requirements for certificates I have a lot of knowledge 7 years, 8, 9, 10 years I attend school and I have a lot of knowledge I have a lot of certificates I have a lot of experience and I have a lot of skills because I have a lot of talents I have a lot of skills I am a little young I am a teacher so I have a lot of skills I have a lot of qualities I have a lot of certificates Though I am a student What do you mean by Buddha and they could change in you? At the end, the mother is divorced and the father has changed. Yes, he hasn't changed. If you want to have a father, you have to have a particular one. Father is a very good man. He's a good kid. He's a good certificate. If you don't want to go to a doctor, you can't go. You can't go to a doctor as he suffers. As I'm talking to you, he's been with you for seven years. He's been with you for six years. He has no certificate. He has no free claim. These are things that are going on in Tahaanipan. I have a difference of opinion with my colleague He told me that he wants to be a student I'm telling you that he wants to be a student The statistics Every university graduation We have like 14 million graduates in Kenya There are people who have employed like 3 million people I don't know what to imagine So If you want to be a student I have arrogance I have ignorance I don't want to be a student If you want to be a student You can be a student If you want to be a student You can be a student The problem again we have with the government Wherever they advertise There is a job opportunity They will tell you 10 years experience You don't have that experience So what we need to do as youths We need to love the government Tell us and to tell them We don't need the issues of experience Employers If someone who has experience there He will show us But for lobing to occur There has to be a leader Somebody needs to lead the group In this lobing process Who's going to lead us? And most of the youths we are electing Are getting sucked up into the system According to me At the end of the government Why should we go to bed? Why should we go to sleep? So the first thing we need to do Is to do urban mining Urban mining is the third degree For the youth investors Who work with plastics We don't have that We don't have any Urban mining We use plastic We use gold We use what we don't have We use what we don't have We use the gate or the door We have so many plastics We use plastic to recycle We recycle The first thing we need to do is to technocrats We use the processing We use what we don't have And we use the tools Because we're using so much plastic We use it all the time They have to end up with it The environment is a mess The environment As the benefit of the country We need to earn 400 million That's the money we need We don't have the money If we use urban mining We need to earn 400 million That's the benefit of the country The city is changing Less than 3 months Clean Actually, we need to change our minds. We don't need to be focused. Youth, we need to fight with these people so that they don't have a driver. So let us focus our mind up there, down here. Because what I want to say is, no, let us do this. We have a budget, we have a budget. We want to say maybe this 200 million, which is the number of youths. That empowering the youth. These men, they lose again this money to start causing division among the youths. So let us focus and fight with them. If it is the leadership, if you are vying for the MCF growth, I want to advise you this. What you do, focus to work with good network. Another thing, create your mind for that seat and be ready to compete with others and be ready to defeat them. That is what is called leadership. Be ready to take leadership. I think we need to appreciate what actually... He mentioned something that is really, really crucial. I went to Dunderai, I think, a month ago, a dam siteer, and I met actually very young people. I said, I want to be born. I want to make a man. I think I'll come with her next time. They're making some cool stuff, some spoons out of those bones. And he said, I want to make a process. I saw it and I was like, wow, this is so amazing. So I think we also need to appreciate what young people are doing. Let's not just be like... I want to thank you. I don't know what to say. I want to thank you. I want to thank you for being here today. The messages, I want to thank you for taking me to be here. I want to thank you for being here today. I want to thank you. I want to thank you. With less than 20,000, I want to say that this is an urban mining. In one year, my company will be a billionaire. Seriously. I'm joking. Because without plastics, my boys won't be able to do it. I want to say that this is a 5 years work experience. It's a great experience. What are your time? Create opportunities for yourself. You have to create opportunities for your own service. And you have to do your own supervision. You can join a party. This is great. It's called strobered planting. For example, if you use seedlings to create strobered plants, you can do the same for the supermarket. For strobered plants, you can do 200 per one. If you do this to start to build strobered plants, because I have big family, if there was an opportunity to build strobered plants, it would start to build strobered plants. Then you can invest in different sizes. You can invest in different sizes. If you're a big company, It's a lot of money. Your message is great opportunities for ourselves. As we wrap this up, to our party chance for Pianie Last Remarks, come MCA contestant for 2022. Your last remarks to the people of Kilimanj. My last remarks to the people of Kilimanj. My last remarks. We as Kenyans, we need to be people of morals. Let us respect each other. Let us avoid the issues of 2020. Let us focus on how we can empower our people. What about you Alex, as we wrap this up? It's time we think our leaders need to know that the word leader begins with lead. Show us what you're leading. We are taking us and we'll follow. We mark it all and we say we'll follow you guys. Not blindly though. Thank you very much Alex. We have come to the end of this Youth and Politics. We do this every single Monday and this is how you can get involved in matters of governance and give your opinion on Y254. Hashtag is Y in the morning. Hashtag is Youth and Politics or YNP. I go by the name of Barry Moses. It's Barry Moses with Social Media Platform. Val is coming up next with Man's Talk. Hot topic if you don't want to miss it.