 Felly hynny, rydyn ni'n gofyn ni'n gweithio'n gweithio a dweud am hynny'n gwneud. Yr cyffredin maen nhw wedi gael gtendrygiad. Calle rŵs. Mae gwirionedd o George Street, Fe maen nhw gan cantyn. Gwyrdd gan cantynau ac yn cael myfyrdd yn y warfodol. Mae m落 rightfal iawn i rei i ddim. Wrth gwaith布 gamwch gysg ar effong, mae pob ffiant y cwrdd yn hyn. A phwnt ddim y cymdeithio gail eich halr, ac teuluad i gyfух mwneud o Carenau diversea chi nin am d珔a rime. Mae me prob nid i ddim o mildrach cyn gyd. Y cro unread yn oed i gyf calculiaist i So, hen da ni weld yn yntaf, lle mae ymwneud hynny? Mae hynny wedi bod y maen nhw'n amlwg hynny. Mae hynny wedi bod y ddw yn y meddwl. yn amlwg y pandai'r siaradau, rwy'n mewn ogarniau. mae hynny'n erbyn os gallu'r sgwrs sphellol, enw i fynd i'r sgwrs. Mae hynny'n hynny'n creu i. People remarked about I could just start waxing lyrical. Gwya paridd is people drinking in some where they will be singing aro and songs, sounw'n mynd i'n meir o'u song ac nid oedd gwn efo ffaith ac I would start saying poidi. Maol mone poidi. a gallwn o'n ddechrau ar 10 oed yn ymgyrch gael. Rydyn ni'n gwneud y cyfnod ddych chi'r llei, ac yn oed i'r lluniau. Gallwch chi'n meddwl ychydig ar y dda, ddim ei bod yn ei wneud ymgyrch chi, sy'n cael ei ddweud roedd. Byddwn i'n gwneud i chi, byddwn i'n mynd i'r bwrdd i'r newydd o'r polisau. Rydyn ni wedi ei ddweud o'r ddweud. Rydyn ni'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud. If, when I was arrested, and if not that day, first appearance in court, they would just kept going on, first to this examination, would be home a day, would be home a day. It's one of the things, I mean I've been fitted up before, but this is one that you think, nah, the one, the one new one, the one new person for this, no going to fit somebody up for this. I know how corrupt they are and how heartless they are about fitting people up for robberies and things like that, drugs and things, but no date for murder, no murder like this. So I thought they're going to see, I mean if they didn't even said to me, we know you didn't do it, but first we thought you must be do it, you must have done it, you must be close to it, but investigation and investigation, a month long investigation is removing you further and further from it, but we can't go over the fact that you must know who did it and if you don't tell us who did it, it's because you're too close to it to say who did it. And that was what they were going on, this was it, but I didn't, I had never the clue, you know what I mean, I was totally baffled. I was right on the wrong track, it's because the papers kept going on and on and on about Ice Cream Wars and from the start they were talking about the brother of Agnes Lafferty and Ice Cream Wars and Githamarch, the brother of Agnes loves to just finish a 10 year sentence, a gangster just finish a 10 year sentence Ice Cream and it was going to get put down to Ice Cream Wars and I was going that's totally wrong. So it put me right off of looking at Ice Cream Wars, you know what I'm talking about, if it wasn't focusing around me right from the start, I might have seen, you know what I mean, I might have seen who did it, I might have seen the culprit, but I couldn't have been totally blindsided by the whole thing at the start. Cos it's not just, let's say it's a mass murder at six family members, this is, let's say one of the biggest miscarriages in the UK cos it's massive to eventually to spend that much time behind bars and then eventually get a not guilty after it, but obviously at the start, when you got charged, what was the evidence against you? The evidence was two verbals, at the end of the day it was William Love saying that he overheard the conversation in a pub, that he was present in a pub and through that even in the pub he overheard, I think he overheard me saying something about setting fat boys door to give them a fright. And everybody round the table going, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye. That was a key witness, just one verbal cos there's no evidence seen at the start of the fire, no evidence in the DNA. I can quote a judge on that, there's no evidence seen at the crime at the time the crime was committed and so therefore the evidence is that of influence from the evidence which is before you, which is that of the evidence of the witness Love. Which he eventually did change his statement? Yeah, which he eventually said no, the conversation never took place, the police put me up to it, the police put me up to saying that it's part of a deal to get me off with my own charges of armed robbery and attempted murder. How many people charged given it to him? It turned out that he was already giving an alibi for the weekend that he said the conversation, see he'd been charged with armed robbery and he'd given alibi for that armed robbery. The alibi covered the weekend that he testified and caught in my trial that he heard the conversation in the pub. Ac on to his alibi, he'd stayed with the, I think he stayed with his sister that weekend or something and he'd never left the hoose, right? At my trial, the procurator of fiscal and the Crown were aware of that alibi and the times of that alibi. Yeah, at my trial he contradicted that and said he was in a pub and he heard the conversation and the Crown were aware of that contradiction but never told the defence. You understand? Holding back evidence? Yeah, yeah. Which could have cleared you. Yeah, and it's called pastry evidence which is relevant to the defence and wasn't made available to. Cos I know we were speaking on the phone obviously, you were speaking about Mrs Doyle cos you could still hear the screams and the pain and obviously those and six loved ones. That must have affected your mindset because knowing that you're innocent and going through that, you must have thought I'm going to get away with this but then as a trial, was there a time you realised, oh fuck man, I'm going to get charged here, I'm going to get done. Getting charged was horrifying. Getting taken to court was horrifying. Getting in diamond was horrifying. Everything, everything is a dagger that's going to be put into you. It's like you're so being tore out of you. Being accused of it. The inference that you might be capable of this is enough to cause you pain, to cause you horror. You're sitting there, you're not allowed to grieve, you can imagine a situation if you're charged with murdering your wife and you're put into Berlin and your wife is getting the funeral. But you're not allowed to go cos you're the accused. But you're not allowed to go, let's see you're innocent. And then after the funeral, the procurator of fiscal says, oh right enough, we've got somebody else for that murder, you can go home now. But the funeral's over and your children are there. Or maybe your two daughters or something. Your children are there and they're looking at you. Why did you get accused of killing my mum? Are you a bad person? Or maybe they never got somebody else, maybe the procurator of fiscal just says there's not enough evidence of where you go home. But you're not allowed to click dreams. You're not allowed to go to the funeral and your children are still looking at you if they're not sure about you. You can be totally innocent. Sitting in that court, I'm an accused person, I'm the villain. But it was like a spear through my heart to listen to Mrs Doyle, to listen to her, to listen to her give her evidence and to hear her try. It nearly killed me, it nearly broke my heart just to hear her voice. I'm the villain in the dark. Why did it date the jury? If I'm the heart hearted bad bastard in the dark and it's done that to me. What has it done to the jury? Actually I'm not that bad a bastard. I know what you mean. I know what I'm saying is there's no way anybody's getting found not guilty of that. Or it took with an inference. If he was in a pub when that was spoke about, he's going to jail for it. And it turns out he admits that the conversation never happened at all. How long did it take for me to admit it? How long were you into your sentence? I think about ten years or so, nine, eight, maybe ten years or so. But it didn't matter because the court when he, the court when he hear it, the second state when he refer us back to court. Why is that? The world was saying what is his change of evidence is not good, you know. You need extra proof to back up that evidence. Wait a minute, he's sister. He's sister can prove he's admitting to pergyn. Because his sister saw him shooting the East Green Van. And gave the police a statement at the time that she saw her brother shooting the East Green Van. He testified at my trial that Tam Grey shot the East Green Van. Did you have an alibi? I had an alibi. My alibi was unbrown. There was no evidence to say that any areas were nearer at the scene of the crime. It was just the evidence of one person. I thought, but how can one person as well burn off to Polis Verbal? Polis Verbal. Polis, when they arrested me said that I said, the fire at Fat Boy, you know, I only wanted the Van Wendy shot up. The fire at Fat Boy was only meant to be a fight that went too far. So that's two verbals. That's enough to charge you. Two verbals. Two verbals corroborate each other. And that's enough to send you to prison for 20 years. 20 years. Life in 20 years. Did you have any grievances around it with the Doyle family? No. Did you know them? No. No, not at all. No, not at all. Obviously, when you got to prison, you got to life sentence. I know you thought as hard as you could to get it, which I eventually did. But 20 years to take a man's life is, I couldn't think it in the worst if I'm honest. But when did you start your fight to go fuck this? I'm no bending over here and letting them win. Anybody win for a conviction in me? I need to fight for my life back. I had, I had done it. I had done it. I had done it. I had done it. I had, I had done a 10 year sentence. And when I had got out of that 10 year sentence, I realized I was suffering from culture shock. I was conditioned as a prisoner. I was conditioned as a prisoner and I couldn't cope with society after the 10 year sentence. Now it took me a lot of time and a lot of self training to recondist myself back to normal again. I never get trained for freedom or nothing. I've done the 10 years. As you've done the 10 years, you never got any whole weekends, nothing to get back into society. I never got a weekend leave. I never get anything. And it took me a long time to recondition myself back into normality, the normality of society. And when I went back to prison for the 20 years, I wouldn't allow them to recondition me. Out of that normality. So when a prison officer says to me, stripped, bend over, put away, bend over, part your buttocks and go and take a fuck for yourself. It's got nothing normal about it. So the 10 years you've re-educated yourself and realised I'm not going to be a fucking guinea pig in here. I'm going to stone up for what I've been doing. Nothing normal about it. Prisoners, prisoners, it happens because it's the usual. Prison officers do it from every day. It becomes the usual. Disregardless of how abnormal it is. I think that's to embarrass you and dishearten you and just break your soul. Yeah, to bring you down and try to destroy your dignity. When the company me team-handed and battered me and ripped the gear off me timing knots and tear the gear off me. I might be in hunger strike. I might be doing a nine stone or something like that before they're gaming off to date. And they'll rip the gear off me and leave me lying naked as a heap of bones. But they've still almost stripped me off my dignity. They told me to take my clothes off under their order and I refused. They had to do it. They can strip me off my clothes but they won't strip me off my dignity. So at the end of the day I was only standing up for my right as a free man and maintaining my dignity if you don't talk. When did you start your first hunger strike Tommy? To begin with, it was in Peterhead, it was hunger strikes. I would die like 30 years so that would be like 80, 86 or something like that. So two year after your first, the big sentence, alive sentence? Yeah, 86 after the murdered me. After the murdered me, the kicked me to death. So that's what the police, the screws for the jail? Yeah, through Peterhead, yeah. Stamped all over me to come into my cell and beat me up and stamped all over me. I was left me for 18 hours with peritonitis. Stum up. The punctured my guts off my spine. It fractured my spine in two places. Bost my gut caused peritonitis. It left me for something like 17 hours. And the time I reached the hospital, I was dead and arrival. And the evidence would talk about a nurse let out a scream when my body started convulsing again. You've had some trauma and we'll speak about that in a minute. Later on because you've got PTSD which we speak about. Obviously the effects of that is enough to get anybody trauma. The prison beatings, like I say, you've even said to me, listen, you're the angel. But to get a life sentence or to get the beatings off the screws in the jail. Why were they doing that to you? Were you causing trouble? Were you just doing it for a gain to break you? No, just not conforming. By their rules and regulations? Yeah, conforming to the rules of civil disobedience. Without being violent or without being aggressive. Just being civil disobedience. Likes it when the appeal fails. Come back, refuse to change into prison uniform. Refuse to eat prison food. Refuse to take prison wages. Refuse to work in prison workshops. Refuse to work in a prison slave workshops. And quite rightly so because you're there for me. I'll work on my case. I'll work on legal. I'll study law. I'll be writing petitions to the Secretary of State. I'll be writing to lawyers. I'll be writing to MPs. I'll be busy. Was it free people who got the jail to you and was it Joe? And some did get done with conspiracy? Big time Greg at 14 years for the shooting. That boy might have eventually admitted he'd done it himself. So that guy got done for a shooting? 14 years for nothing. This was a guy who allegedly the key witness had done the shooting? Yeah, he eventually admits doing the shooting. It's unbelievable though. The way the police operated at the time. If you can conform to what they want. If you can say that you heard the conversation and that puts somebody in the shit. Then they'll drop this charge. You'll get your bail that you were refused at the High Court. And that's what happened to him. He's been refused at the High Court of the Ministry of Society, by the way. Three previous convictions for the Court of Justice. And then he perverts the Court of Justice. They ask him to do it again for a fourth time. And he'll be rewarded for it. He'll get released in bail. He'll get his charges dropped. If you've perverted the Court of Justice again, Mr Love, we know you're good at it. You've done it before, you know what I mean? So they picked the right one, you know? You've wrote two books. Did you write your first book? When did you write your first book? When I was in prison. Just before I got out in bail. Before I got out in bail. That would be an indictment. A trial by fire. A trial by fire. What was that book about? A butch hunt. A trial by fire. That was a butch hunt. The trial was a farce of Freudian proportions. That's the way I started. Because it was a farce of Freudian proportions. It just tells the story. It goes from charge to charge. Just outlining the charge and outlining the evidence and outlining the defence. Charge to charge to take people through to show how much a farce it was. Of course I'm too deeply involved in it. I'm too deeply embedded in it. So when it comes to the appeal and things, I'm too emotionally tied up in it. So I get too involved in it. So I don't think it becomes a good reading. Because you're writing it though? I'm too close to it and I'm not seeing it in person. So it would take somebody more than person to say, you don't need to say that again for the tenth time. So how long was it you spent? Was it 10, 11 years and then they let you out for a year? Is that correct? That's right, yeah. How were you for the year? Assuming they let you out for the year, why did they let you out then? They let it out because they let it out because William Lobsford confessed. The Secretary of State referred to the court and William Lobsford confessed and he wrote it and he swore naffi David. We went back to court and two of the judges said William Lobs did not admit that he was the person fired the gun. So therefore his sister was a witness to him firing the gun as irrelevant. And the other judge said, as a matter of fact William Lobs did admit to being the person fired the gun. It's there. And therefore his sister's evidence to see him firing the gun is relevant. So therefore I uphold the appeal. So 2A1. Now it's not a question of opinion and it's not a question of law. It's a question of fact. You know, if it's a question of opinion you can't read them about it. It's a question of law. Well you can get a new appeal and re-argu the law but they're the experts in the law so you must assume they're right. But if it's a question of fact if I can be looked up I was sitting with the paper right in front of me with William Lobs confession sworn after David. I was sitting looking through it when they were telling me it doesn't exist. 2A judges saying William Lobs did not say and I'm reading it and saying what's this? So why would it not accept that? It took four years. Four years. I could have handed it over in four seconds. It took another four years for that court to get me back into court again. Four years to hand over that piece of paper. You know what I mean? And then you get out for the year but then you get recalled. They brought you back again. Two judges to one. One support, two against. One said the paper didn't exist and the confession didn't exist and two said it didn't. Why did they need three judges for that? Three for a height court. Three forms of fall. A full quorum of court. I need three judges for that. So you need two for the approval to get you out? That put me back in again. You were out for a year? See when you were out for that year did you think that was done? I thought that was over. And then you went back and done another six or seven years. Oh now four years it was. I see. But now four years it worked out at 17.5. How many hunger strikes did you do? Well I stopped doing hunger strikes. I kept the horns over. The horns of a dilemma. What I did was try. I was turning it. What I tried was get access to communication facilities because you can't. I was in sort of confinement at a stone box in Peterhead. You ever seen a rock up on Tommy? No. Tommy doesn't know what day is. He doesn't know what Jesus is or what praying is. He doesn't hear nothing. He doesn't see nothing. He doesn't know nothing. You see a picture of Tommy with a box running his feet. Tommy that deaf, dumb and blind kid who plays a mean pinball. What do you call him? John. That's rock up on Tommy. The pictures by putting a stone box running his feet. The pictures by putting a stone box running his feet. The pictures by putting a stone box running his feet. That's me in sort of confinement. That's me in sort of confinement. You're deaf, dumb and blind. How long you're in it for? I don't know about ten years or so. Maybe more. Probably more. That's just where I've been. Nothing. Just where I've been. The concrete floor. But what I'm saying is all your letters are censored. You have no phone calls. Every letter in is censored. Every letter out is censored. Letters are stopped. Letters are stopped. Your visitors once a month. Maybe a half hour a month. An hour a month sometimes. So your communication is that. If I'm suing the prison department I'm suing the Secretary of State for Scotland. I'm suing the prison department. I'm suing the United Kingdom. Thomas Campbell versus United Kingdom. European Court of Human Rights. And my letters to the European Court of Human Rights have been opened, censored, and some of them stopped. Not allowed. Letters from them have been opened, censored, read, not allowed. Now if I'm suing the government and the government is censored on my mail. I'm suing the prison and the prison is censored on my legal mail. You know I've got a terrible, terrible advantage and I'm at a terrible, terrible disadvantage. I've got to get out of that box to get private confidential communications. So what I had today was going hunger strike to get to hospital. Right? So that I could hand over documents, confidential documents and receive confidential documents without the prison and without the government being aware of what I was doing. Legally. In my legal fights. So you had to try and kill yourself to pass over information? Yeah. Some kind of freedom of communication. Freedom of communication. But I was killing myself. In the process of doing this I was dying. I was killing myself. So what I did was I said, I've not had a fair trial. I've not had a fair trial according to law. I've done all my research. I've not had a fair trial according to law. So therefore I'm innocent in according to law. So therefore I demand the rights of an untried prisoner. I'll eat the food supplied by my family as per the rights of an untried prisoner. Which means that you need to keep me close to Glasgow so that my family can supply food. While I'm close to Glasgow I can get unimpeded communication facilities. Right? And you can't block me. You can't censor me. You can't stop me from conducting these cases against the prison department, against the second state, against the United Kingdom, and against her magic seed advocate. I was taking all these cases simultaneously and I couldn't cope with censorship, especially when there was no phones. And when they did allow phones and it was the one prisoner in the Scottish prison system that wasn't allowed to use a phone. One prisoner, not allowed to use a phone. Was there any time you were telling me you felt like you were getting up? You felt like quitting? You felt like ending up? I couldn't have quit. So what I was doing with I was saying that I'm no longer on hunger strike. I'm now under siege because it's now up to the governor to allow my family to bring up a box of complex soup and give it to me. So I'm asking to eat and the governor is saying no, you don't get it. So I'm asking to eat and the governor is saying no, you're allowed. So I'm no longer on hunger strike. I'm under siege. Hunging for justice and a fat for freedom. That's the way I would put it. After you've done 17.5 years, when you eventually came to an end, when you eventually got the not guilty it wasn't you. How was that day for you? Another day. You must because it's hard to just accepting and trying to get on with your life. Especially when you nearly spent 30 years in a jail. I felt all through the time that I was out in Bale that was free. Right? Eh... It can't alluse. The case can't alluse because it is just and it's fair and it's true. You know? Although somewhere it was like there were still five miscarriages. The court upheld five miscarriages of justice. One of the miscarriages of justice but one of the miscarriages of justice harked back to original appeal that I had to do myself because I was refused legal aid. So I had stood in the appeal myself and when I got my reply from my appeal the appeal court ridiculed me. Right? For raising this particular point. Now in the final judgment that I was going through I was going through I was going through now in the final judgment of the appeal court the appeal court ridicules the court for ridiculing me and saying that I was right. That I was right and the court was wrong for ridiculing me because I was right. You don't talk about it. Now that was a way back in 85s. So if that court wouldn't have ridiculed me and gave me my just my just due at the time I would have been free now in the time. I would have been free in 1985. A year later? Yeah. In the appeal court 20 years later makes a note here. You don't talk about it. Did you ever get an apology? Did you ever get a an apology? Obviously a lot seems to have been swept under the carpet. Obviously if you were... No the pick an advocate. The pick a crown advocate to assess your case the pick your opposition the pick the crown the crown was it prosecuting me and the pick an officer of the crown to assess what damages I'm due and he will say things like but he would have went on to commit other crimes anyway so therefore will deduct so much off he would have got. How the fuck do you know? Can you say in the future? You put the ethical crimes that deduct so much off you me for crimes that I might have committed had I not been in prison. That's what they've done to me and you wonder why I was angry and wanted and had to come out here. You don't talk about it. Did you get compensation or anything? Did you get anything? Obviously it doesn't... But it still doesn't replace the years like I say life is priceless. I say we want to repeat TSD where the traumas of your life when did you start getting affected with this like I say the memory loss and so much pain you've been through. It's so frustrating it's like somebody's took a shotgun and blew away part of your brain boom it says somebody took blow away part of your brain it's so frustrating the things that you used to be able to do the things that you took for granted the normal way of thought the normal way of doing your normal business is gone. You try to do it and you run into memory blanks you run into dead ends you can't remember how to do this you can't remember that you can't do this and you want to cry you really want to cry there's a thing where I have cried I've been going round my office I've got an office in the back I've been round my office maybe looking for this particular document and maybe looking for that particular document I've been working on it this year this year I'm a wee bit better than that now but I put it down I put that down and where is this, where is that and then I realised that I'm spending so much time looking for things memory dysfunction I'm spending so much time searching for things I'm spending half my life searching for things all that wasted time again new wasted time the time that you're free but that used to searching for answers and searching for stuff that is just conditioned and I found myself crying at the wasted time again more wasted time my brain is so damaged that I can't just function normally I can't just go about my normal business and do things everything is four or five times more difficult more complicated for me that's what's frustrating you yeah it is frustrating the frustration was also feeding the anger when I was angry because I got angry with myself for being frustrated for being such an idiot for not being able to do these kind of things to sit down and do a crossword that would be easy for you that would be easy for you in the past and how can you do that you know I want to climb them I want to scale the mountain I know I can scale the mountain I scale the mountain all the time the peak of that mountain is my favourite spot it's where I like to sit and behold the universe suddenly you find yourself in a wheelchair and you can't even go over the foothills but I know I can climb that mountain I've been there before but you're in a wheelchair now you've got to get it into your head you can no longer get there you're damaged you're physically damaged there's no recovery this is so frustrating you're never going to get it back is that what you feel anger and regret especially the rage and the anger because they've took away so much of your life you see what they've done to me you're screaming in your brain what have they done to me you know it's hard as it is that anger and frustration listen I've never done a fucking 17 and a half year sentence for something I've no done but how do you want that anger and frustration Tommy it's only going to make them one even more it's kind of forgiving just kind of trying to move on to accept that it's such a difficult thing to do did you do a lot of psychology stuff did you speak to a lot of people to try notice that we know I've done a lot of practice and meditation myself first I thought I could fix myself physician heal thyself I thought I could do it until I went to the doctor the doctor wanted to see me about why I couldn't remember to take my treatment and why I couldn't keep appointment so he thought it was something wrong with my memory and he thought he would get that checked up to see if I was suffering from Alzheimer's or something eh eh turned out I he says well you're not something from he got scans and things and he says you're not suffering from any of that but you seem to be suffering from some kind of stress I said well we've been told of getting eh post schematic stress disorder is that is that no stress some kind of PTSD eh why did you not tell us that you just told us you were suffering from PTSD I said well I forgot right but short term memory dysfunction is one of the systems of post schematic stress disorder and that's why I couldn't remember my appointments why I couldn't remember to take my headache pills and things like that eh the dog does that the dog tells me to take my treatment nah you were saying that it's amazing so the dog kind of looks at you and says when you cook your dinner it lets you know when it's cooked but like I say you've been through the worse you've been through what you've been through is it's barbaric kind of for people to get you to do that sentence but why do you think that against you to let us say set it up or create alibis and create people for witnesses why would they for you to get it was so it was such a sensational big big thing at the time I think that some of the polls were quoted as saying in the trials of the matter of fact is if we don't get somebody for this we'll all begin about in wheelie suits we'll talk to chief inspectors and things eh super super superintendents when they talk about we'll all be wearing wheelie suits it means we'll all be demoted we'll all be back to the black with the black wheelie suits eh so instead of all being promoted they've all been demoted eh sort of had to get somebody eh and I'm the perfect target eh me they can say finish a 10 years sentence gangster moved into the trade in the past two years that's the kind of headline the word before I was arrested you know so for a jury to see that probably know who you are anyway sort of after before the trials they knew that they could they could they could present a picture to the press mostly mainly it was I kind of I mean I had doctors in prison saying to me about drugs oh you're the man oh you're charged with the the big drugs conspiracy and I'm saying now you've got the wrong one there yeah yeah certain drugs on these teamfans are going what are you talking about the first person I've ever heard it from was from a doctor in Berlinie prison and it wasn't until after the trial there was this massive story about it about a drugs empire a mad drugs empire Chinese whispers on it yeah yeah and it was what was it was it was it emperor of canteen ha ha ha ha certainly you're certainly you're consolidating confinement you're fucking found your things and running his empire from his cell in Peterhead I was insulted and fine I couldn't get a cigarette paper under my door you know everything was censored I was protesting against the censor you know even legal censor I couldn't get a cigarette paper under my door and the press were saying I was running glass goes under world from my cell in Peterhead you know what I mean but it's not just that Tommy like I say was big Ian was on my Ian Blink was on my show a couple of weeks ago it doesn't just affect you the sentence it also affects your family like I say if you get kids mother father and also for the Doyle family they've still not got a conviction they're still in pain and they've still not got any closure because even no user can throw your trial to get out which was your wrongly convicted but it still digs everything up for them has that ripple effect how did your family and stuff how did they deal with it shame shame shame my wife at the time was Liz she became magrophobic she never lived a house she still finds it difficult she became she couldn't leave a house she couldn't show her face eh eh it's just a few horror and it affects everybody so that's what I'm saying for any young boys watching and listening a lot of the fresh skin boys you know what it's like Tommy they all want to make a name for themselves you don't realise you it's alright having fun and having a laugh but you don't realise other people being dragged into things as well you know eh my family went through hell you know it was a blooming shame I saw the Doyle family you talk about there's been no justice for a Doyle family at least one of them one of them was murdered another one dead so there'll be no justice did you know of people who did it well I know now who did let's say if they're dead then yeah it's a bit of closure but let's say that pain and misery for yourself, for the Doyle family for the people who it affected even the people going even the people at the side they're like they're watching the case the juries that affects them as well because they've probably seen photos obviously when you did get out you've worked a lot on your mind because you're a very tolerant man Tommy we spoke a lot in the last couple of days and the books you've read to rewire your brain and you talk about all that to the conditioning the unconditional and trying to fix it you wrote your second book as well it's a popular book and now the third one for anybody watching working to get your books working to buy them working to get involved and the final judgement I think I think is is the best of the three the one that's presently underway and I don't even know where I'm going to publish it I'll probably take it back to Carnegie and I think I think I don't know buy books when you buy books get the one you need but for yourself and check out his books and he's got the third book if you need any publishers anybody because your story I don't know why that's not been made into a film yet or a documentary because I know you like to keep them peace and heart you like a way for all the bullshit and all the drama you kind of just want 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