 So we're excited about Clark and talk about you can't have too many defensive backs that can cover and take the ball away and the quick athletic speed instincts ball skills again a tough competitive player play it a tough program I mean the way they do things there so very excited about the player and again we always go back to it but high character smart intelligent he's about what we're about so we're excited to add him to the group yeah I mean he can do both so that that's usually you know this isn't full on projection you know there's so many different coverage of your watch watching guys when you're projecting them and there's some guys in this draft that maybe in a certain scheme they're safety but they end up covering the slot all the time or there's guys outside but depending on their big man team you know they're gonna get inside anyways by matchups or you know the different the multiple schemes they were on but yeah we got like Clark highly productive but which I think is one of the better programs that sustained success it's a lot of us we have a lot of respect for that Utah program and certainly the way they play defense and so we love their interactions with them this is a guy that we had conviction on cross the board and we were excited that he was there we picked him guys like him can play inside or outside and also that he talks about sometimes safety in the longer term future is that you see you know Mike it's it's just that you know we joke about all the time like I was joking last night about D less depth chart and stuff like that it's things have become so multiple you know when you're sitting there and you teams that want to bring a lot of pressures or they're trying to disguise or they they take a nickel corner and you're bringing pressure and all of a sudden he goes in plays the back half you know it's just that's that's what's in vogue right now you know multiple schemes in the back end you know final coverage you know that's what sometimes you're trying to trick these quarterbacks and so what that does is like you know they show him something and then guys are now running the middle like the middle replayer and cover two that I used to see you know Brian Erlach a run it was always a Mike linebacker well now guys are multiple whether it's a nickel sometimes the corner safety so these guys have so a lot of experience coming in and that's just kind of where the game's gone it's no different than the offensive skill guys I know there's a lot but I just want to give context to it's like it's not as big of a leap sometimes with some of these players because they've done some of these jobs before depending on the schemes they've come from with a guy like Clark though highly intelligent high instinctive his competitiveness I'm sure you guys could feel that in the interview I was about to ask y'all talk to him already yeah pretty confident isn't it yeah I play pretty good you defense it you talk to so one of the first things he mentioned to us was how much emphasis he puts on film study not something that you necessarily hear a lot of college defensive backs bring up so high in conversations how much was that to you yes sir yes sir and you can see that because a player like this and when you talk about anticipation and the way he studies routes and you can see the to have six interceptions that's a you got to study film and so you know that he's that type of guy and the football character is really high again we always talk about our area scouts and how good of a job they do they're in the schools and they gather all the information but all high grades on those areas the football care to the personal care to the football intelligence film junkie Jim rat all those things and so you know all that about them and then it matches with the tape when you watch the tape and then when we get to spend more time with him in person it all goes together because we wouldn't put too much if we spend 20 minutes with him at the combine we spend a little time with that when you spend time with players you what has a larger weight is all the information that the area scouts have gotten on the player for the last couple years and so but that part he definitely checks that intelligence part that that box was talking about his his play strength is that something that you can see on tape in terms of being physical absolutely you see when he walks in there you know that's what sometimes people they get so caught up on the weight right and everybody's body counts are different you know even when you're going through Scott and you know it's it's a fence if you're a rigid thinker fix like I have to have guards all under 310 well there's some guys now better be 325 and they don't have a lot of body fat and they can move you know it's it's you know there's a lot more goes in than just that fixed number of the weight in the way that guy like Clark I mean I mean he's a muscle of guy you know so that weight and the weight carries it you know dense you know that especially this time of year whether it's hand size or you know the weight they weigh in at the and at the combine and then they don't do anything else and then they come back they won't weigh into the pro days and something like that but it's a lot of it's a body composite how they're how they're really built and so if I've had players that are 190 90 pounds and you know they're they're built differently and they just they're compact and there's other guys that it may be 190 that every time they go on the field they get something that's injured or you know same thing with the big guys so I think a lock it's made about the number but there's a lot of other factors that go on to it respect Terry we talk a lot this week just about finding value where you can find value with players and he's a guy when you look at his production he's you know all-american and he's at 113 I would imagine that's in depth in part down to his his size is that just an area where you feel like you can manage that in some respects and pick up a good ball playing defensive back you're saying that with the size being an exception term size yeah but if you really look through it there've been a lot of corners at that height that have played in the NFL and been really productive in the NFL and then you just go through the list there's a lot of really good football players not just in recent years but even historically you look at a lot of guys that are at that height and but they have to have okay where the special trace that they have okay instincts ball skills quickness athleticism speed he has a lot of traits and a lot of factors and he's got the makeup to make it and be a productive player so when you look at the history because you want to know okay how much of an exception is this player you look at the history there have been a lot of corners that have been successful in the league at or around that height The 4-5-1 do you have a faster time or do you have some comps that Where's that time from? NFL.com Super Scout Who? Time? Where are those? Time or electric No but where are they from though? NFL.com I wonder who gets those? Combine Just like I'm just asking do you have a better time? Yes or no? Yeah we have different times than that yeah I just always wonder though When I see stuff on TV I always wonder where those are from I don't know if you're timing on watching TV and timing stuff or what You don't do that So you can go on I saw the Scouts and get it too but You do it off the TV with your stopwatch? No I do that Love it It didn't mark me so Did you ask him if he ran a 4-5 did you ask him that? No I did not You should ask him when he gets to see how he responds 4-5-1 I wrote it down because that seemed like that would be a little slow 4-5-1 No we did have them Our Scouts had faster times And what we do, the numbers we get It's really It's literally our Scouts timing You want? Why? We'll give you the numbers We will We'll get you everything you need man Give Bassity a list And what you do when you negotiate The way you do it is Put on your list So if you put I'm helping you let Put like 10 things on the list Okay And go overboard with some of them And you know you're only going to get 40% of them So you know I'm going to get these four But then you got to put some other stuff on there Right Okay But be You know I'll just ask them for 3-4 things Ask them for 10 And know you're going to get some of them Take the 250 and go home You say you would have been like Like one of those ambulance chasers Oh no I can see lead on billboard Heard on the job Call lead Call lead Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Corporate Again, you know how it plays out, play out. Obviously, he played out well with Chris, but so yeah, we're excited. We love what AJ is about, what he brings his team day in and day out. Coach, you've been saying that there's going to be a heightened level of competition. Right. You can come to things like that. If you look at this group of cornerbacks now, you just added Phillips and AJ and Jeff and Mike and all the experienced guys in the back for now and Darren forgetting and Dee, right? And all these guys who have played, it seems like at this particular position, it could be as competitive and as tough decisions as you'll have. Absolutely. Scott. Right. And that's what you want. And you know, it's the business we're in and doesn't mean we don't love all those guys and let them compete and we got to be fair about it and I think they'll bring out the best in our team and in all our players because that's what it is on Sunday. That's the most competitive league in all professional sports. The cool thing is, oh, Scott, is we don't live in this rigid box where you say, okay, you have to have this many players at this position, this many players at this position. And when you come up with that 53 man roster, right? We look at it like we're going to keep the best players, right? So you named all those corners. If those guys are balling and it's going really well, then we end up keeping seven corners and you're not just going to say, okay, if you're the fourth safety or the fifth at this position or whatever, oh, you're guaranteed a spot. No, man. And vice versa, if we only feel like we have three guys that we're really excited about in the building right now, then we're going to have to go get them from somewhere else. But we don't live in this fixed box where we have to, if we get good football players that can help us win and that can help this roster, then we're going to keep those good football players much like as we approach. So we have the seventh round picks and then we got undrafted for agency. So we're not just looking at it like, okay, this is how many players we need in camp at this spot. And so we need to add this many players here. This many. No, we're just saying, hey, let's keep bringing in good football players. If we like them, if we're excited about them, bring them in and we'll figure it out as opposed to worrying about certain numbers at certain positions. Wouldn't you all see a first team All-American there? How much stuff do you put in that? Or is that just, you know, God had a really good season and was recognized by folks that's being one of the top corners in the country? It doesn't. For me personally, you know, it doesn't really, no, the things that do get you excited, any kind of accolades are, hey, was he the personal accolades? Like, you know, in that school, like what the coaches say about him, he was a team captain and they held him in high regard for these reasons. But those kind of accolades are usually just based off statistics. So that doesn't, that wouldn't do it, move the needle for us. What is his, I mean, we see the playmaking and ball skill numbers. What does that look like on the detailed film review that you all do? Yeah. Yeah. Just, you know, Terry talked about his instincts, he led, you know, the guys that can anticipate, to me, he's got great spatial awareness, and playing in different schemes and doing different jobs out there and a guy that, you know, prepares, but it shows up on the tape. I mean, that's, that's the thing, I mean, you can get all these numbers and, and there's, there's obviously very interesting advanced metrics and you look at them and so I was trying to give context last night about, you know, yards of the contact, they could be completely different players. You see that, you get excited about it, but you still got to match the tape, right? And so the guy like Clark, when you look at those numbers too, you know, you're right, because sometimes you got, I've been around a guy that, and good for him, he gets overpaid in free agency because, you know, the ball tipped his way and this is one of those years and nobody, and you're happy for the guy, but, you know, the way the way they got the turnovers, you know, the tip ball at the line of scrimmage and they just happen to be at the right time and thankfully they catch it or whatever, but the guy you can see an instinct that can break on the ball and go back and track the ball, like those are the things that get you fired up. How does his, you know, how does his hips flip and stuff? So, all that kind of good stuff. You said it's an old scout? Yeah, yes. From, you know, the scouts I always talk about, the corners being able to flip their hips. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, loose, fluid, the transition, all those things are very good, very good. Yep. Audrey, what you were just referencing, do you believe in ball skills, whatever that term might mean? Some guys just have an act for finding the ball or is that just a throwaway term that we use when they happen to end up? Yeah, it just depends on, you know, context, certainly. Yeah, I mean, like I said, you get excited about the production, Josh, and that's a great question. But yeah, you know, how they went about it. Can they replicate that, I guess? Was this just one of those years, you know, where things was, it's like with sacks, all of a sudden the guy's like here, here, and then one year is here. Well, okay, and then it's back to here. Like, don't take it away from them. It's great production on that part, but how they go about and how they go after the football. Same thing when you're looking at wide outs or any kind of pass catchers, can they track the ball? And some guys, they can obviously do it way better than others. You know, the best example, I think that that could correlate that, that another reference point like a guy like AJ Brown, you know, AJ was a really good baseball player and the way he tracks the ball, and I'm sure you guys saw that play in the Super Bowl, saw him make that place where that's special, what he can do, and not a lot of guys. I mean, they, you know, it's whether that was the way he was, you know, growing up in youth sports and different, different things or certainly you can fine tune some of those, that's what people work and all that stuff, but there's some instinctive stuff that, that some guys are just, they've got it and other guys, they don't, no matter how hard they work at it. Is that vision? I mean, is there some other end to it? Well, I mean, certainly some of this vision, but you know, is there a test that can find what made that athlete great at that compared to the next? I haven't seen one like that. You know, that's why you got to trust all the information from the scouts. You got to take it all in. It's never going to be perfect. You know, you're all looking for advantages like that. You know, there's some guys that may have it all of a sudden, but they're in a precious situation and maybe they're, you know, that the vision goes and like closes back up and they can't do that, but you see them making a practice over and over and you're like, Oh, it's going to come on and all something. I don't know what is anxiety or something and they just, they can't get over and you certainly try to work through it, but I wish I had a perfect answer for you. I don't, but that's why you got to take it all into context and that's why I'm so fired up and the staff we have upstairs, the way that our scouts or football staff and I talk about it, everybody that's involved in the coaching staff. Certainly it makes Terry and I's job a lot easier.