 Maybe we could go and do introductions just in case other people show up and we know who we are and then Shayna said she'd be 15 minutes late and it's almost 15 minutes so if we hold out for that maybe we could do some actual business otherwise I'm just not sure when to call it so I'm Cameron Niedermeyer I'm the assisted city manager and staff support for this committee. I'm Nicola Anderson I'm the director of real estate development for Down Street Housing and Community Development. Could you speak up because it's hard to get I'm trying to take notes so a little louder. Nicola Anderson I'm the director of real estate development for Down Street Housing and Community Development. Thank you. You're welcome. I'm Carly Abrams I work at the Nature Conservancy and I am very interested in this committee and what it's doing and so I'm kind of sitting in as a first intro and Montpelier resident. I'm Michael Sherman member of the committee and and the I guess the forever note taker. Thank you. Thank you Michael. Good morning. My time conviction talking about jail rooms. Good at it. I'm Lauren Hurl I am the city council representative on the committee. I've been on it for a couple years and nice to see some new faces today. So does anybody want to tell me background on what you've done so far or like what sort of topics get talked about or yeah for sure. Lauren can I sort of call on you to give the history of that. Sure I can do it quick and then others fill in. So this committee was formed what probably like three years ago. So from city council really wanting to have a venue to better look at how the city is addressing equity issues and you know a whole host of different types of people who live in our community and how we're you know making sure that city government is working for everyone and looking at the policies and budget and other things you know with an eye towards how we can improve equitable outcomes and our biggest most recent work we hired a group creative discourse to our consultants to do an equity assessment of the city which I can dig up in a second and put in the chat. So there was a big public process like a bunch of different outreach techniques so collecting a lot of community input and and then they brought forward you know a set of recommendations things that they'd heard directly from community members as well as their experience working with other communities and just doing you know equity work for other city governments and stuff so there's a set of recommendations that we are you know we're kind of at the point now of like how are we taking action steps to move forward on a number of those recommendations. We've also kind of as that's been happening we like last year for example which Cameron was just referencing had developed a kind of budget tool of how are we considering equity implications of different budgetary decisions that we're making and we've been doing more and you know some of our policy work and have done things like gathered the many different city committees leaders to start conversations about that so like our housing folks and planning and you know all the different ways and so starting to think about how we can work with different issues that are front and center and that came out of our equity assessment to to you know better coordinate and be doing this kind of work with different groups that are intersecting with city government. What would you add Michael Cameron? One one correction it was we were started four years ago minor a minor detail. Time is illusion. And just I think you covered it all except you know in general we agreed that the three things we were going to focus on was access citizen access to government and government services housing and I guess racism generally but I don't see any specific ones on that and we in our last meeting we did look at some possibilities of where to go and people to talk to and I'm glad to see that someone from Downstreet is here because you were high on the list and let's see I I'm not sure what else is going on we have we're very slowly and that's my my fault working on revising the city the city of Montpelier history page on the city website. I have a draft in hand of from one part of it and waiting to hear from the state archaeologist on the the the the history before white settlement so I'm not sure of a deadline on that but we did get to go ahead from Cameron that we could go ahead and do that and I will get to it probably in the next week week or so get back to that. Right that's our that's I think our first one on me let me take a minute to stare at my computer and I'll pull up the website page for this committee and it has all of the links to the reports that have come out of this so far which is pretty illuminating the work with creative discourse has been really instrumental in sort of planning some of our future work and sort of guiding what what our next steps are because we definitely want to continue that work and so as we enter into the budget conversations just making sure that work keeps going oh thank you Lauren she linked to it that has our homepage for this committee and I try to keep it as updated as possible to link to all of the things that we're working on. All right y'all I don't know if how you feel if you want to just give an overview maybe of what Down Street does and then I so because work is here so we can have that recorded so if anyone was interested in logging in for that they could at least have that conversation there's no action or anything that we can do right now but we are certainly able to just sit and chat about things so does that sound okay to you Michael and Lauren yeah so you you you would like me to take notes on Carly's presentation is that it for it's Nicola actually who's going to be present oh it's Jeremy we did it okay yay perfect amazing so I think we should take advantage of the quorum here and approve your agenda and the minutes and then sort of turn it back over to Nicola to talk about Down Street hi Jeremy we've been just holding out for a quorum so sorry I'm late I had a kid transportation thing I did you know life is still here we forget about it but life's still here so um I don't want to sort of take over your meeting but I would be great if we could get motions to approve things I'll make a motion to approve the agenda second I second all in favor Jeremy why don't you take over the meeting how's that until she let me let me if and until let me get myself oriented here okay it looks like we just approve the agenda congratulations all right yes there's Shayna I move we approve the minutes okay I have to I missed I thought I was done with drafting minutes and then I just found the minutes for the my notes for September 22nd so I apologize I'm once again I thought I was up to date but not quite but I did do the August 18th in the September 1st and which was the the non-meeting minutes and then the September 8th those those you should have had you gotten some point right okay so we're it's a motion to approve the minutes from the 1st and the 8th is that correct August 18 which I thought had been approved but I guess it didn't August 18th September 1st September 8th okay I will second that motion that Lauren motion that Lauren put forward put forward all those in favor of improving the minutes say hi hi hi okay those minutes are approved thanks okay thank you all right now all to you and I'm gonna get it really close too so that everyone can hear you okay so hi everyone just to introduce myself again um my name is Nicola Anderson I'm the director of real estate development for down street housing and community development um I mostly focus on multifamily development um but we are based our offices in Barrie but we cover Washington Orange and Lamoille County with all of our services there is um another group does do the multifamily housing development in Lamoille County but we provide some other services in that area um it has been busy in general but I would say really the last two years have been even busier um we're really fortunate I think for the amount of money that has been come into the state or has been allocated to the state for housing but the need is so high um you know it's uh I really I firmly believe that with COVID I think more people started to understand how housing is associated with healthcare but also that housing truly is a human need and you know as a state our response was during COVID that we placed a lot of the homeless into hotels um you know everyone really deserved and needed a place that they could isolate and be safe and I think that now over the last few months especially months especially sorry um we're really working we're really working too sorry Sheena you are echoing I'm not sure if you're able to mute I'm sorry Sheena I may just mute you again sorry um but we are you know we we've been working with different partners in different agencies um are in central Vermont to work with different solutions um you know whatever there's a continuum of care meeting monthly where we're presenting what available and open units that we have for people that were able to house and people in our portfolio over 30% of our rental portfolio is um now housed by homeless previously homeless individuals and families which is pretty incredible um I think that and that has really raised over the last year and a half um it's funny like I think that there's so much money coming in however the sources um in order to create a project like let's to say or in Montpelier we have the front block project that opened in 2018 and then our Taylor seat Taylor street transit center project that opened in 2019 they cost about 10 million dollars that's the construction costs in those projects but even though like this ARPA funding our funding into the state that is one source that's increasing but we still have like five to ten other sources that aren't quite increasing so it still makes projects difficult the budget difficult to manage you know there's only a certain amount of sources that you can get so there's not like that we can do 20 projects in a year however we have been able to do some unique projects um in Bradford we in our mobile home park we put two we had two vacant lots we've these these lots of our three vacant lots and these lots have been vacant for like three years so we put zero energy modular homes in these lots like this past year and now renting these to homeless families and we so we're able to be unique with some of these cold relief funds that came into the state able to where we had vacant areas we put in connections to water and instead of usually a mobile home park people own their own homes they just rent this spot the lot however we were creative and have made three rental plots there we're partnering with a Good Samaritan Haven to the Twin City Motel that in Berlin that is going to become a permanent homeless shelter and that's going to house up to 35 individuals um so there's just been it's been great because we've had the opportunity to do some unique and different types of projects um we are moving forward with a project in Berlin as well up at the Berlin Mall Foxtron Apartments we're going to be providing 30 new units but that's not you know this is to be to understand our timeline we started applying for funding in 2019 unfortunately we're not going to secure our funding and even this year in such when all this money's coming into the state we weren't awarded our full ask we're not going to secure that funding until May of 2022 so that is really three years it's taken to get fully funded on that project but that will provide 30 new units it's really exciting for Berlin to have it's close to national life it's close to Montpelier but also housing opportunities near um the hospital and different resources in Berlin so there's there's lots going on I think that um lots of conversations being had in Montpelier and all around our service area possible projects as well really trying to take advantage of people that are interested and have the space but please ask questions what does what does rent look like on one of these places but rent so rent yeah we build affordable housing but we do some our market rate units so they rents kind of determined by um the area median income so it's you know a one-bedroom apartment is usually it's that it's like between less than $900 I'm not exactly sure like usually rents probably within like $800 to $900 for their affordable units for the affordable units yeah that doesn't sound that affordable I think there's probably ones that are it depends on their income so it's hard like I can't each each unit is a different price there's ones and units that are for people with 30 like if people are homeless or have no income and they can be tied to subsidies they might pay 30 percent of their income or so like if they have a section eight voucher so it's not okay yeah so it's it's it's hard to explain it's different for each case by case basis case by case basis so someone has a section eight subsidy that or or a project based voucher some of our projects have projects project based vouchers they will cover the majority they will cover the rent however the resident will be responsible responsible to pay 30 percent of their income and that usually that means their portion of the rent is like 200 to 300 dollars a month okay that's much more reasonable yeah considering what I hear people can't afford um so another question I had it was um so you talked about building the homes in like the trailer park is like the vacancies are often I mean they're also they're often in flood plains so when we build places do we make sure that they're they're always in a safe safe zone that they're not likely to be you know focal point for climate change um yeah if we ever build in a flood plain we we always build above the flood plain so we you know we have to take the building out of the flood plain in order to build okay um so there's you know like different projects yes we'll raise the elevation and we'll do some mitigation efforts for that flood plain is this right place where you're looking for a community reserve justice no no okay sorry sorry um does that answer your question yeah I have two questions um one I was curious if you could just talk a little bit more about um like it seems like there's this narrative of you know they have like set aside so much of the American Rescue Plan Act money and stuff for housing um so it's interesting to hear you say like you didn't even get fully funded with your thing when it seems like like I guess it would just be helpful to hear a little bit more about like what are the biggest barriers to being able to like ramp stuff up given that we do have unprecedented money and then the other piece is like what do you what could um you know it's a group that's a city of Montpelier like what could what could the city be doing to be supporting these projects to move as quickly and you know effectively as possible are there things that we could be doing to help support so I think everybody's been hearing about um the ARPA funds coming in how much money that is but there's restrictions on the funds as well so um one of the restrictions is the area that it can be used in which qualified census tract unfortunately Montpelier doesn't count as one of those areas berries for central Vermont I think the only place is berry city the other issue is that you're only eligible for funding the other so the other condition is that a homeless unit is you can get money for that homeless unit so that means when you when we build that project we have to guarantee that a homeless individual or family will live in that unit always like whenever there's turnover we only rent it to a homeless individual or family that's not that's not the problem like that's not an issue but it's also you know some of our other funders and value it's mixed income making sure that we are you know not just building a homeless only project or homeless only building you know intricately integrating many different incomes into projects so in a 30 unit building it's how many homeless units can we actually get in that building so that will provide so thinking of it and then also thinking of the homeless units it's making sure that there is services attached to those units as well you know so it's creating mo use with service providers which I think serve service providers totally understand and want to help and be a part of these units and we definitely the interest there as well in regards to service I wouldn't say that's a challenge but I think that we also know the workforce the challenges around the state and around the country regarding getting people staffing so it's meeting the staffing needs for the providing these services as well so it's I think that all the all these details make it a little bit challenging the challenging to just it's not like we build a 10 million dollar project I can just say oh we have this gap of five million dollars we're just going to use this 180 million dollars that's coming to the state unfortunately it's not that easy did you say a little bit more about what the quality census tract means yeah so there's it's um there's a map online and I can share that link out as well to camera and maybe she can share that I can take a look I can yeah so there's an area a map of and I to be honest I don't know the great details but I think it's pot I don't know how they do you know how they calculated that um I think it's like residents per area yeah income of those residents basically it's like how concentrated as well in your community basically yeah so I don't know if you heard that from Cameron but it's like they concentrated well so unfortunately and I think that we're sitting here and you'd be like why wouldn't this community qualify why wouldn't all of our communities qualify at this time but that is one of the right now which is very city has and it only works for new units so which isn't does that mean like renovation too doesn't count so renovation doesn't count yeah so it's only brand new units adding new units and I will say construction's cost is fluctuating but also skyrocketed so that you know it's an extra million dollars at least to build a new building now yeah I wanted to I don't want to to lose Lauren second question because I thought that was really important too like what do you think the city of Montpelier could be doing to help support increasing access to housing yeah thanks for that reminder Jeremy so it's I will say like there's a little bit of there's so much interest and people reaching out to us you know we have um people reaching out all the time so I think the challenge honestly in my end for real estate and like in my field in my end is that part of our projects are tax credits so these nine percent tax credits these board meetings come up once a year and that's that source of funding has not increased and these tax credits help pay and are based then we then base our projects off of the income eligibility so it helps for development of project but then it's also part of the funding source for their rental subsidies so that that source of income has not increased in the state so this this board meeting comes once a year and with the size of these projects really for central Vermont we can get one at most one nine percent tax credit project awarded a year however that was the one funding source that we were not fully awarded this year that's why that we still have a funding gap so we were really when we did um french clock in Montpelier and then the next year we were awarded Taylor street two years in a row and in one community is shocking you know that is very uncommon so I would say that's that's part that's a big hurdle for us to try and figure out that I'm really working through so we so then it's also being able to use these tax credits are all of our other communities you know we're still trying to fund this Berlin project and then another community like waterbury trying to do a nine percent and a new development project there so it's and then what about berry city do they they need more development so it's it's this conundrum of actually eligible funding sources and the scale of project that we can do um I so I think that that's the project opportunities are plentiful but I think it's honestly still funding sources of how we can um accrue some of these different funding sources so that maybe we're not relying so much on funding sources that are harder to come by I mean do you think there's an opportunity for you know lobby are these coming from this is mostly federal requirements or is the state putting strings on which could be changeable by the legislature like are there opportunities to be advocating for making the money flow more freely right now if there's like means so frustrating that there's like great projects that we just can't build when we have such an urgent need so is there I mean because part of you know I'm like there's the ARPA funds but there also was like an unprecedented budget surplus that should have fewer strings because that's not federal money that would have whatever yeah you know red tape so are there opportunities of like different pots of money that could be like shaking stuff loose and getting it moving I think so like the tax credits are federal and naturally difficult that's just how much are allocated to our state I think ARPA funds have had they've had federal restrictions put on them and that's what's at first we were so excited when we heard about this money coming in we were like oh my goodness the possibilities and everyone got so excited and then when we learned more and more about the restrictions it became so much more difficult the other part is just that it takes like a year to two years to do the pre-development and fund a project it's not a quick project a quick thing either it's you know it's hard to get engineers right now to even get engineers to do the work we're in such a shortage they're so busy so thinking about engineers to go out we have to go through environmental review processes there's um I think the shortage of people and time also is a challenge you know it's I have six projects so for instance I have six projects I'm working on right now it's normal for a project manager to have like two and a half so we are working so hard um and have lots of projects but it's just never enough either you know I think that's part of the challenge but if I supposed to technically in my workload have like two projects but I have six that's triple the amount so think of like what those engineers and architects are doing as well and at some point it's they can't get information as quickly as they normally could either because they're so backlogged um but for the funding I think there's you know I think the funders truly are on our side you know they they're advocating and understand as well but it's it's the restrictions are on the funding sources but we've got these funding sources but the challenges the other funders are not getting more income so it's managing and like VHCB with its ARPA funds every board meeting they're handing out $30 million to $50 million you know it's not like they're not handing out the money you know there's statewide it is being handed out very quickly and a lot of it and that's to be honest like with projects and more piliar my big thing is I've just done two like we with more with with the Taylor Street and with french block you know that brought 48 new units to more piliar but then I when was the last time I brought new units to waterbury when's the last time I brought new units to berry city when's the last time I brought new units to these other places and there's a need serious need everywhere so I have to be able to bring and that's what the funders are going to say too was that your lot your last new development where I'm on piliar we've got to serve the whole service area so that that's another challenge who else is doing this like who else are the big players doing this work so we we are the players for central Vermont that's just it that's just it with this there's a local nonprofit agency there's each kind of like Champlain housing trust covers Franklin County and Chippin County there's Wyndham Windsor housing trust that covers those counties so just like we are the agency for this area I was wondering about maintenance and repairs and upgrading where's the money for that come from and is it included in what's given to you or not or do you have to raise that separately yeah so that's part of our operating budget so when we're creating these when we're creating our projects and then figuring out rent that is part of our operating budget so whenever there's a turnover so if someone leaves and someone comes in we will go in and make any repairs needed replace floor do those types of things we have a 24-hour maintenance staff so they respond to residents needs I think that they're so there's we have a full-time staff for maintenance for all of her for all of our units and the service people that you're talking about they don't need to be residents right there just it's the work that they do in the daytime work right yeah so it's like services so like providing services to some of these homeless units so that's like using an agency like washington county mental health or capstone or the family center those are the types of agencies that would that that we have different mo use with that help provide services to our residents thanks yeah and there is you know I think there's been great programs have also been created by the state there's the hip which is for landlords so private landlords that own units that are they have they have units that are vacant but they need a lot of work to put money into them they can apply to up to 30 000 to rehab their units or to like to put a new boiler in to put a new heating system to maybe they just need new appliances or there was serious water damage they can apply to up to 30 000 to rehab this work and then place a resident in their unit and there's just there there are restrictions of placing low-income residents in their units so that is something that also came out of the state last year that is I think has been a such an important program and that's a unique way too that I think that we are putting um this money into the state into great use instead of just worrying about some of these larger scale units let's get units that are built on the market again yeah that kind of that's right where I was starting to wonder what's the next question and I don't know if this is your area of expertise but what does Montpelier as a community have more control or impact in kind of getting more existing units kind of housing ready for the folks that need it most so clearly this you said what's called VHIP yeah so there's going to be more funding coming available so we've kind of spent all the money from when it was um active earlier in the year and so um this program we've not gotten the direction yet that we're ready to go and the funding's been secured and conditions are met but it's looking very positive but I think that like that's information that I think um you know it's letting publicizing that you know if Montpelier can put that out there like let them know that this this program is available to our landlords and maybe that's something that we can do better to support hi there um and maybe that's something that we can do better with our communities with Montpelier I have um how can Montpelier promote that yeah that's where I'm my head's kind of circling around as as this committee see Jack what can we do could we play a role in that kind of communication publicization promotion piece of like hey local folks who own properties who want to kind of make a commitment to helping with the housing crisis yeah like rally folks in some way get them information organize people I don't know that just it seems more or we could have some impact I don't know what others think about that yeah I think I personally think that's a great idea silence okay I have a question for Cameron could the the city does the city actually know who are the landlords I mean who have um properties that are multifamily and rental is that a way can a city help identify those people or is it just a matter of putting the word out and seeing who responds um Michael I missed the context of that question because I was out of the room so okay I'm sorry about that so I heard your question I don't quite know if we track those things so I'll have to find out and I'll let you know what was the context the context was Nicola was talking about um money called the hip money which goes to private owners to incentivize and support renovation and and fixing up places for multifamily used for homeless Jeremy said what can CJ do ask what can CJ do to help get the word out and so that my question is well does the city have a list so that we would know how to reach these people directly rather than just sort of putting a putting a word in like a newspaper or something like that well it's fair I'll I'll follow up with Nicola and come back with to y'all at your next meeting with information about that okay thanks I mean the other thing about that Michael is it's not just it may not just be a matter of kind of broadcasting blasting information out but it may be a matter of also kind of organizing forums or conversations because I can imagine you know there's a lot of there is stigma around you know you know homeless or low-income folks and housing and it may be a matter too of kind of understanding you know the issues in more depth of why the need is so important why as a community it behooves us to kind of engage in these kinds of programs to help with the housing crisis so just kind of riffing off some ideas here but it may be that there's important conversations in the community that need to happen to bring landlords more into the fold yeah I agree with that and I think actually there's also stigma about rental units period yeah totally I was on the development review board and one issue came to us about housing a rental a rental unit that was proposed in my in upper here on the college hill area and the the residents in the area to my surprise and disappointment said oh but they're just registered we don't want them in the neighborhood and I think that's something that really needs attention mm-hmm yeah great point yeah that's that's really close-minded and elitist you know and forgetful that at one time most of those people were renters themselves but that's another story but it also makes it difficult then to sort of you know to create communities into which these you know these these units and these people will will be able to fit and that's a serious barrier has anyone looked at the barriers to I think I mentioned this last time when when my wife Nancy was on the city council she was involved in a program in a committee study of barriers to housing and I don't know if that's come off the shelf and into anybody's attention hi um so yes that has come up the council has mentioned it a few times and so his staff and their more housing strategic planning is is redoing that study the barriers to housing study through the housing task force so that has come up as a potential initiative um yeah um does anyone have any more questions for Nicola I'll just say I think that Downstreet has done terrific work in the city and we really should be very very grateful for them the um they've really sort of you know increased housing stock and kept in a good shape and I and I congratulate you as an organization on what you've done good luck going forward thank you and seriously feel I'm more than happy to ever come back and join in but also any suggestions that you have for us in our work um I'd love to hear them great thank you so much and I'll follow up with you regarding the what was it VH what IP program that's like the rental we have program I'll follow up with you on that so um y'all are coming to the end of your time so I just want to make sure that you're good for the 20th for your next meeting is that what was on everyone's schedule any issues October 20th yes sir is there time for a very quick report on a follow-up question that Palin had about language or do we have to get off the do we have to get off so I made contact with Amanda Haas at Central Vermont Adult Basic Education who runs the English for non non non native speakers and she reported Palin asked what are the what are the major languages we should be targeting in or in anything that we do and the answer is Spanish and then there are I have a long email that I can I'll send to Shayna to that she can circulate to to the rest of us about all the all the all the different languages that are represented in there in the service that they're currently providing but if we're going to if we're going to do anything it's just Spanish and then followed by Thai and Korean so that's the answer to that question it's different than what the school said so that's a little wild oh that's interesting yeah um you have a member of the public Stephen Whittaker's here he would like to make some comments Jeremy you're right I'm sorry for that again yeah we're just making sure that you are okay with public comment now um I think we have just a couple of minutes so if if Stephen could just limit his comments to maybe two or three minutes that'd be great okay I want to implore upon y'all to be be more engaged the homelessness task force has not accomplished anything in its two years of existence and we're approaching a an emergency winter situation and at the meeting later this morning they're proposing to spend 70 grand only seven of which is for actually putting shelter over anybody's head at Econolah's rooms this is a human rights issue this is a public safety issue and yeah this is the core of social and economic justice so when we can't get city to keep the bathrooms open at city hall or to even enforce the least terms at the transit center which require those bathrooms be open from 8 to 6 every day we've got real social and economic justice issues here we are kicking these people around as if they were you know trash and they feel like it and then they become acting like it and it creates a real problem in the community so y'all need to be much more engaged on the not just the abstraction of maybe some more apartments next summer or fall or the following spring you need to be involved now and how are we going to create some dignified shelter for these folks this winter and bathrooms immediately in effect city hall is working against us on this so I just want to and also the open meeting requirement of you know a physical location necessitates uh ability to hear which one laptop does not provide an ability to see who's talking so we need to set rules on what constitutes the physical location and it needs to be plugged into the big screen and mics and speakers such that everybody can hear I know you'll see your staff say oh no everything's fine y'all are doing fine but I'm saying you're you're violating open meeting law thanks okay thanks for your comments and the duly noted um we are at time um maybe just checking really quickly about agenda on the 20th um there's still the lingering issue of um giving feedback on the council strategic plan um lauren do we have time to get into that on the 20th are we up against the time deadline so there's going to be um like next week october 13th is our next meeting where we're going to be talking like initiative priorities which is basically what are you know continuing our work I mean my my sense is like regardless of if it's like a top view like we're the council is committed as far as I can tell to like continuing to fund the next phase of the work and like either way it's going to be happening so to some degree I think you know if people already voted so I don't even know that like any outreach to counselors or anything is necessarily necessary at this point but um you know I think it'll just be it's more like the budget's going to be where push comes to shove of like are we funding the next phase and are we investing in things like the um stipends or things like that like that's where I think the real and Cameron if that doesn't feel right to you chime in but I think that's where like the next real action steps of like are we following through on the um you know things identified in our equity assessment and like it's mostly a funding issue I would say I could use certainly some I don't mind and I would I would appreciate uh people looking like committees looking at the strategic plan um so we'll hopefully have um a draft by your next meeting of work plans and so looking at those initiatives and um just just the overlooking it would be helpful to me but it's certainly not something we have to do if you don't want to so yeah I'll put it on there as a potential item to discuss and we can if you want to yeah I think it'd be great to just thinking a little bit about basically like an item that is you know continue working on the equity there's something big like that but the but also there's like several specific things of you know improving language access and other things that are like teased out that are actually recommendations that came from the equity assessment some of the steps of work that we're doing so um I think I think it'd be great for us to look and see how is that conveyed are those like kind of um you know worded in the way that they should and is it really highlighting some of the key action steps that we have identified um in addition to the piece around just like broadly committing to continuing the work so now that I yeah okay well then let's let's put that on our agenda for next time if it seems like um that makes sense um and I think and what we have on this agenda there's a couple of items um that are kind of on the back burner too and I think there's more to discuss on what we're hearing from folks around the housing issues that we've been discussing over the past couple of meetings so um I think there's more to discuss on that as well and that's probably a pretty full agenda again um so that takes us to a little over 930 um anyone have anything else on the committee before we break that's okay um all right well sorry I was late apologies for that um and thanks for the great discussion and we'll we'll get back to the other next time thanks everyone nice to see you bye bye all