 Okay, the recording is on. Good morning, room one. Welcome to BC 309, our course on urban church planting and It's house, I see your response Okay To pray for your father, okay All right, let's take a moment to pray and then we get our class started and as we pray We can Yeah, just pray for Charles is Charles shared his father still feeling weak. So Let's just pray as well for his father Okay Could one of us just pray and we'll get the class started somebody pray for Charles's father also Asha, you want to pray? But I'll start getting Should come on, please pray. Thank you Precious father we thank you and praise you for this wonderful day, which are given to us We give you all the glory on Iran praises of father Once again, you have given us this platform to come together to learn a lot master regarding to the church planning We pray that father release your wisdom and father God give us the understanding to grasp everything What we are going to learn today and we could able to implement it in our ministry in our personal life for God strengthen You're servant of father God Lord master fill him with the revelation fill him with Lord master with with his with your wisdom So that father when he's going to speak Lord master let it be from you and also we pray for brother Charles father The word father we ask that father Let us let the strength of God Lord master strengthen him and father God let this prayer revive him Lord Master let he be healthy and let he be let his health be restored in the name of Jesus Thank you that father God you honoring our prayer and you are answering it in Jesus name be pray Man All right. Thank you. Thank you, Ruan. Good morning. Once again, welcome to the class So this would be our I think would be our final lecture unless there are a lot of discussions that happen This would be a final lecture in this course on urban church planting And then what I'm going to do is I will work on setting up an assessment Put it out. I think I'll have time at Wednesday to create up an assessment which will be more like a review of the whole course and You can take time through November to just do the to work on the assessment Review the course content of course and then also rest to the assessment It's not gonna be very difficult just more of a review and then the assessment, of course will give you a grade for the course Right. Now. I want to just make this is more like an announcement for all of us We at And so we we launched in Bangalore now we we started this year for the first time we We started what is called as a church planting accelerator program You can read about it in our church website at apcwo.org Cp You go there you can read about it This year we introduce this program mainly for people within India where we Have invited people to share up submit their application if they're interested on planting a church anywhere in the country and We would you know, we have two options one is if they are already by the college graduates Who have studied with us for three years? then You know, we they can just submit the application and then we would review it and if it's It's good if it's if it's a clear vision and has a plan then we would basically Financially support them for three years to help them plant a work The other option is if they're not If they haven't graduated from our Bible College Then we would want them to come and train with us for one year here in Bangalore and then we would After that we would evaluate and then fund them for church planting But then they had to fill up the application form now the interesting thing about the application form is It's based on what we have studied in this course, you know, like in the first part of the course we talked about the natural dynamics that is you have to be aware of The what is happening in the natural in the particular place where you're going to plant a church Then the spiritual side of things you need to be aware on the spiritual side Then you need to have strategy You need to know how are you going to go about carrying out the church? And then this is where Not only strategy, but also the financial aspects come in, you know, how much money you need How are you going to live etc? What are you going to do in salt? So the application form that you will find here on this apcw.org Cpap Page that you can download is basically kind of a practical application of a lot of things that we have gone through in this course So this year we just opening it out for people within India We just be just trying, you know, whatever I should say launching it within India But next year will be it'll be open for our International students that means whichever part of the world you're in You can submit this thing, but you have to complete three years of study, right? So it'll be only for those who have studied with us for three years Sorry So all of you you will be graduating next year the international students From next year onwards and then you could you know, so you could take the application now It's going to be the same application form and you can start using that as a way to prepare in case you're interested I'm not saying you have to do it I'm just saying it's an opportunity that's available So you can start preparing and and then you know in and next year when we open it up I think we'll start taking applications from February next year So that by the time you graduate end of April then the application would be reviewed and approved And then we can you know once you graduate you could start doing work. So if you're interested You can go to this web page at pcw.org slash cpa pay download the application just look at it start thinking about it and you know next year Month of February can submit it We'll open it up for our international Bible College graduates and hopefully we'll you know, we'll have everything organized as well on the financial side to to do that So something for you to think about pray about it's not compulsory. I'm just saying it's an opportunity That's available All right. Okay. Shri Kumar. You have a question. I see your hand raised Yeah, thank you, sir. I just want to know that do you do we also have ordination before we start this and Are you going to ordain the like as a pastor or whichever it is after that is one thing I just want to know and second thing We need this licensing and other part so how Like how we can get all these things so I just want to know that these Yeah, so the way we do it is yeah, so we will pray and so the prayer is the ordination so we will pray over Those whom are appointed as in the go out and start a work We pray over them point them as pastors and then we also provide a letter from APC Bangalore saying that You're officially the church. So The church or the ministry that you're doing is under APC. So we give this letter That's what we have done for all our current outreach pastors so They use that letter to show that It's official. It's legal. Whatever they are doing And they are connected to APC Bangalore. So there's an ordination prayer that happens. There's a Letter, it's given there's a ID card. It's given so they use it in the ID card. They use it to You know, whenever example, they go to a hospital or something. It's an identification card It shows that it's official and they are Under APC Bangalore The only thing is like it's not the same as like the CSI or the CNI, you know, those those are different denominations or the AG They have their own things. So this is this will become from APC the letter and everything come from APC Yeah Sir, is it only for this ordination is only done for the people who are going to apply or is it going to be happened for every Graduates or who are available in Bangalore just want to So what we have done traditionally is I see the prayer when we pray we pray for everyone but then we don't give a letter like, you know, an unofficial letter to all this to everyone because Students would be Doing the whatever if they go and do their own thing their own work so We don't Give an ordination letter as such for all the students, but we do pray for them So we just tell them to you know, when they are questioned then they can say look I was prayed for and ordained by APC by the college Upon my graduation, you know, but then so the graduation certificate is there your diplomas there That's what we do But for the actual church and ministry is a different letter saying that's an official work supported by APC Thank you Abrams question does it apply to those who have already started Yeah, you can have your already ministry started, but then when you submit the application you can share the plan for the next three years You know, so when you submit the application next year in February You can basically we want to know what your plan for three years and how are you going to go about it and then How we can help and so that's okay if you've already started. Yeah, okay? All right That's just a little information for you to think about and pray about for next year for international students and And for those who are graduating next year It for those both within India and outside that's available. You can get some information on it So let's go to our last lesson our last final Okay, see a question there from Charles Charles it's for India only this now that means we've just launched it in India only this year Next year in February We'll open it up for everyone else. That means for anyone all across global And we'll take up applications a bit reviewed so that when our students graduate in end of April They'll have something to start with From me right so next year we're opening it up to everybody right now this year We've just launched it only for in India for people within India Okay, so let us Look at our All right, I was going to start here. I see another question Abraham Question is are we all ordained as pastor after graduation? Well We will pray and ordain you For ministry whatever ministry God's called you to right so we pray now in even if for our students here in Bangalore We actually have we actually have a time of prayer where we all the staff faculty get together We pray over our all our graduating class That's we do that in Bangalore, but now since we have students online and internet, you know overseas We will have to kind of do this online So we will pray and ordain you into whatever ministry God has called you to Now some may go into pastoral ministry Some may serve in their own churches like where they're already serving some may go into different kind of ministry That's okay. So basically we pray and ordain you into the ministry You got is called it to it won't be specifically for or pastor or whatever because each one so many people each one Is called to a different kind of ministry But our prayer is going to be to ordain you to recognize God's call to bless and Set you in whatever God is called you to do Okay So Abraham your follow-up question is how do you know the difference? So You're asking about how do we know? Whether somebody is called to be a pastor or an evangelist or an apostle or is that what you're asking and I didn't understand your question Okay So, you know, so this this depends on each person's calling Right and also remember the calling can grow and expand with time Right that means somebody may start off Just maybe as a teaching, you know a teaching the word and then they may grow into the role of a Pastor and then they may move into maybe an even an apostolic calling or they may move into Anyway, so the that whole journey with God is what each person is going to make right? So we can't we're not going to dictate that journey So each one of us Has our own journey in the ministry to make with God and God is going to expand and clarify and Expand this calling on our lives. And so we all start with where we are, you know Somebody may already be pastoring. Okay, you start from there somebody may be Right now serving as an itinerant preacher. Okay, you start with that Somebody may be doing some other kind of ministry. Okay, all we all start with that But you know over time and over the years to come God is going to grow each one of us into our calling and so each one of us has to journey with God Right and we will go through various stages as we grow in the call of God on our lives So basically we are praying and when we upon your graduation next year We're going to pray over all our graduates and ordain them into the ministry. God has called for them and Pray and bless them for for the whole journey ahead, but that journey each one has to make and we have to grow in the call Yeah, so now how to recognize that call, you know, I would refer us back to the The you know that some of the things to be learned one is on You know the book little book on fulfilling God's purpose for your life And also receiving God's guidance, you know, when you look at that And it's okay. This is how God is going to guide me. These are the signposts. He's placed in my life So let me journey with that over time And and as you grow you can say okay now I'm serving as a pastor now I'm serving as an evangelist or now I'm serving as you know, whatever God has called you to do you grow in it and People will recognize what you're doing. Yeah fine Let's get into our lesson Okay, another question, so I was planning to give them a lesson like another question here from Christopher Just to confirm CPAP will be available from April 22 next year in India Okay Christopher So CPAP so we have long we have already launched CPAP this year in India, right? So we have already welcomed applications for this year This year's application which was to be submitted in the month of November. Sorry October is for within India But next year we'll have an so every year will take we'll be taking applications every year So next table taken applications again, but from next year on what that is from 2023 onwards It'll be open globally India and everywhere else today Is that clear? I guess my point is that we will only graduate next year in April 2023 We'll only be able to Utilize if select utilize that that fund Or that program only in 2023. Yes, I'm just in here from my from a from a utilization point of view It'll only for international will only be 2024, right? I mean, is that correct or it'll it'll be in from next year itself Okay Yeah So from for for all students in local India as well as international from 2023 all students can apply Yeah, so Yeah, so and then, you know, basically we'll open an application sometime in Feb So it can all be reviewed. We can get everything ready So that when the batch graduates and the way pro We can get it started, you know, they can start their work from right after that from may onwards So it'll be open 2023 next year be open to everyone Okay Shreya Kamaria question is is there any time limit meaning? I didn't understand that question. I just want to know that like If I don't want big for me if I don't want to apply now But I want to apply later or because I am a graduate so can I and anyone do that? That's yeah Also, if it is it applicable or it's there is any time limit that because I'm graduating and now this 2023 So I have to apply within this year. That's something No, no such time limit. So we will as as what what we have planned right now every year We will take in applications, you know, so there'll be Invitational applications every year so you can apply in the future as well. Yeah, thank you Okay All right Prabhakar you have a question go ahead Yes, pastor. Thank you. So After our graduation we then only our eligibility will be I mean to like to be a part of this So what for those pastors those like we already started at certain place So can we apply or like we wait for my graduation to be over? okay, so So so we have two options right one is You apply as somebody who is who has who has a three-year degree from a PC Bible college So then you wait till you graduate and then you apply And then you know you're selected then you can start the work Or if you've already started it's okay You can still apply but you know the criteria we're looking for is that you've graduated with a three-year degree from a PC Bible college and Then you apply and then we can assess it and then you continue the work even if you've already started that support comes For those who have not studied with us because there are a lot of pastors around the country who want to work with us Which is what we're doing right now If they have not studied with us that means they haven't graduated with a three-year degree from a PC Bible college Then we tell them they have to come to Bangalore and be with us for one year So that's another track right for those who are not students of a PC Bible college So that would not apply to all of us That will be for those who have not studied with us then but they have already been doing ministry Then we say you have to come to Bangalore be with us for one year so we can train you and You know for of course the whole selection process happens and then they go but for those who have studied three years with already with a PC Bible college then you just apply and Then you're selected you can just continue or start or continue the work you're doing Thank you possible. Thank you Okay And the questions Yeah, I think we will have some more time for questions on this, you know late next year when we Officially open it up for everyone Feel free, but I just wanted to give you a heads up so you can start thinking you can download the application form start thinking about it I'm preparing for it. So you left time Okay, let's go to today's final lesson Just a quick it's more of pointing us to the future, you know, I haven't written much on this But it's more of these are some things that is start thinking about So as we think about church planting in the future. So, you know in this course so far we talked about all the practical things that we know of based on past experience But remember Cities are changing the world is changing things around us are changing But it's good to you know learn from our past experience and what others have already done and what we have already done We also have to look into the future so These three, you know main points here offer us to Think about the future meaning What will the future the first thing is the future of urban life What will the future of urban life look like? What will the future of urban life? look like and Sadly Some of the things are the trends that we are seeing are actually very scary Urban life you say what do you mean? And and and this this is not new these kinds of things started, you know, maybe a few decades ago But it is now becoming mainstream or it is now becoming the accepted norm Which then therefore is going to be Define future of urban life and I'm not saying this is you know, you know Like every person is going to be like this, but I'm just saying that's the things we are seeing happen All right, so what are we seeing some of the things about urban life? We are seeing, you know, the whole concept of marriage family All of that is being And all you could say has disintegrated and it's being redefined Without any standards so We are seeing people who just live together They're not Legally married. They just live together some they have children Or we are seeing people of the same gender, you know, same-sex marriage and They are adopting children and So and and these things are, you know, almost like they're coming into mainstream These things used to be on the sidelines in the past But these things are like coming slowly slowly slowly they're coming like, okay It's part of urban life Which is very very challenging And now how much of society is going to become like this We don't know In different parts of the world there will be different Responses or, you know, different ways This is gonna Take on shape and form But we have to keep in mind and especially when you're thinking about the parts of the world where you are working Keep an eye it means be observant on On how things are changing in your context, right? So Along with this the kinds of challenges are also going to New challenges are going to come up, you know, how is the church going to respond? How's the church going to? Stand in these kinds of situations in this kind of environment you know, so Look at the future of urban life The other big thing is more and more cities, you know It has already happened in many parts of the world, but it's progressively happening in more and more cities is that You have to be from all over the world and they're melting pots be from all over the world living in the city Not only from within the country, but you have people all across other countries all kinds of people and so It's very complex now And this is only going to increase as businesses expand industries expand. You're going to have people moving with work with job with Abid businesses coming into the to your city To cities and then so you'll have to interact with people from different backgrounds languages cultures and The church is going, you know, we'll need to serve all of them So that's again another thought to keep in mind and Then what we have seen Is The other part we look at is what will the future of urban church and Christian ministry look like Now, how what will the ministry look like in an urban context? Now what we have seen again technologies become a major player in The life of the on the ministry of the church So we can't rule that out especially in the urban context that In the past people came to church if there were four Sundays in the month they came for Sundays But now they have the option maybe they'll come to church physically to Sundays and to Sundays they'll be online But they still say that's my church. I'm part of that church and you can't say that You have to come physically, you know, that's that that you have to come physically is now slowly dying out and We are now because becoming okay, but hey Maybe two Sundays you come in person two Sundays you're online. We don't know They just decide what they want to do and you can't force that. I mean, yes, we would love to have everybody in person but And people are making their choice Then the church is, you know being online people are connecting from different places and And they're attending the they seemingly say I'm part of that church, but it's an online connection You know for whatever reason they may choose to be part of that church, but they are in a different country But that's what they feel connected to or they want to receive from and so so that's just again something You know, we can't we can't push them away. We can't say no. No. No, you cannot be connected to us online No, we've got to engage with them we got to be willing to serve them and Yeah that's again something that's happening right now as judges reopen and You know, we've in some ways we've gone past the pandemic and we're kind of getting back to normal but this normal looks a little different because of How technology has influenced the church and the ministry? Now where did all this is going to go? We have to see, you know What are the new expressions of church urban church? We have to see But this this is something we need to be in touch with and observe what's going to happen and Along with that like we're saying The local is being influenced by the global You know Before in times past There was a clear separation between the local and the global okay Something happened in the church in another part of the world. It really didn't bother the church locally. Yeah, it happened there It's only news But today it's so different because everything is so connected What happens to the church in some other part of the world is affecting the way? believers are thinking locally Their mindset that thought process is being affected by things happening in the church in other parts of the world So that's something you to start thinking about, you know that okay Urban church is no longer in the church in your city is no longer insulated from what is happening in the church worldwide In fact, if it's an urban church, it is very connected and very influenced by the global church The church worldwide is in some way the other and so how can you as a pastor? Respond to those kinds of challenges, you know How do you handle it? How do you process it? How do you journey through it? How do you serve people? like that, you know so That's something to think about when you are Considering urban church planting or Christian ministry in an urban context. It's no longer isolated or insulated Just to that region it's being influenced by what's happening globally and Then think about the local dimensions of what is happening In various parts of the world there is seemingly, you know an increase in Opposition to the church and what the church stands for And Jesus spoke about it, you know, he said The love of many Matthew 24 the love of many will grow cold But he also said, you know, you'll be hated by all men for my name's sake so that that that opposition to the church is being visibly expressed in many places and You know, but we have to love we can't retaliate with hate These two have to love the people who Think that our are the truth. We are preaching is outdated the values We are holding to is no longer relevant We still have to love them and we have to be far in the truth. We preach and the values we live by So think about the future be in touch with this. All right, so whatever we've covered in this in this whole course is useful is relevant But what I want to leave us with is hey keep in touch with what's happening and Keep thinking about the future because the future may may look very different From what we have been used to in the church and so we have to you know, keep our eyes open Be in touch with what's happening locally be in touch with what's happening globally in the church and How that is affecting the way Believers in the church are thinking and so on Okay, because these these are the challenges we will have to address So be in touch with urban life Be in touch with what's happening in the urban church and with that information we need to Envisage and prepare for the future that means you begin to Imagine what the future is going to look like giving the trends with giving the directions things are going in urban life in the church urban church and Then you say okay, I need to be prepared for the future So how do we do that? You know like I like I was emphasizing keep looking at the trends Keep looking at what's going on in urban life. Keep looking at what is going on in the urban church Be in touch with that Then of course you need to listen to Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit has to tell us The Holy Spirit will tell us certain things you'd say just stay with this these things don't don't change this Don't change this and the Holy Spirit will tell you here are things you need to change adapt here So these are two things things that the Holy Spirit tells us You must stay with us. Don't compromise. Don't change. Just stick with us. You stick with Things of the Holy Spirit is telling you in your context. Hey change adapt make this change do this differently We need to do it differently So obviously the teaching of the ministry of the word of God will not change You stay with it Example of things that you can adapt Would be maybe the way you communicate the same truth maybe You know we were communicating it and again you need to see you need to know what's happening Right so Depending on the on the people you're serving and what's happening in your local context and how it's being affected by What's the global church, you know You speak things that you speak it in a way that the people you are serving are able to receive the timeless truth But it has to be communicated in a way that they can understand So maybe the methods in Communication may be the way you're communicating maybe how you are presenting maybe those things miss like the Holy Spirit me tell you to adapt Okay, but the truth What you're communicating to the message the truth Will not change Right, but listen to the Holy Spirit as he guides you into preparing for the future And you know from a both a personal perspective and a church or a ministry perspective we need to Envision and we need to prepare ourselves for the future that means You and I as ministers have to be constantly learning Right, so I want us to leave. I want to leave us with that thought, you know constantly learn Keep keep looking at what's happening. Don't say, okay. I've you know, I've been through Bible college Five years ago. That's good are you know, five years from now ten years from now Don't say I did you know, Bible college ten years ago. Okay, that's good But in ten years so much can change In five years so much can change and so you have to constantly keep learning Keep in touch with what's going on the word of God is not changing but The people be administering to the environments in which we are ministering and How we are communicating to the people those need to be constantly adapted changed Refined so that we can stay relevant, you know that the the urban church can continue to make an impact in the city of In the place where we administering Okay, so I want to leave us with these three thoughts. I know I haven't really expanded on this and it's still something I'm Trying to figure out myself Trying to you know journey into this You know, how do we do this? How do we keep on? prepare be future ready so to speak be Be prepared for the future. It's something we are still looking at and learning But I want to leave you with those thoughts that While you take whatever we've learned in this course you start applying it but keep yourself future ready for Urban life things in the city are always changing and We don't want to be outdated or left behind in any way. All right Any questions on that any thoughts on that so What we're going to do is We will close in prayer that you know, we've we've come to the end of this course What I will do most likely on Venice day not tomorrow. So tomorrow. We won't have class But on Venice day, I will I should be able to set up assignments for this course and It'll be basically be a review of the course start start to finish So the assignment is meant to be a course review So it'll walk you through the course so can review the course and of course you'll end up with a grade so you actually answer the questions and Yeah, so, you know take your time to do the assessment we have the month of November to do it take your time to do it and That you know, we'll be done with this course But most importantly, I'd encourage you to go to our receipt of a page and download the application There and just use the application I mean, even if you're not going to apply next year use it as a way to think through Okay, this is what I would need to think through if I'm going to start a church which are pioneered church planted church or If I'm going to start some sort of a ministry, these are things I need to think through so just use that application more as a help for you and If you're planning to you know apply next year This application the same application will be used. So anything you do to prepare on it will be useful next year So use it to think about what? The work you're planning to start in the city or you know, either a local church or ministry in an urban context All right Any final questions and thoughts before we close? Otherwise, if there's there is no people close and prep She come on your question Thank you, sir. So I just want to know Do we have any any kind of you know Meetings like how we used to have this In the past like we used to gather once in a week regarding to the mentor mentoring session and kind of a thing Want to know that in future for this for for us when We are now Getting involved in the ministry and once in a month or something. It can be gathered and To ask the questions or something. Are we planning like that? Thank you, sir Okay, so My two things one is the monthly mentoring of So it's being done monthly and We we have moved it to the first Wednesday of each month. So actually this coming Wednesday the faculty will be on available online and it's being done the same way, you know through the through the Main auditorium Google classroom So the faculty will be available online for question answers the other thing we are planning to introduce is So hope I'm not sounding like I'm promoting a lot of stuff today So one minute that we finished typing this so what we have been thinking about planning to set up is An entity called pastors and ministers fellowship international P a m fi That or G and it's mainly for our Bible college students and this is more of Now and we haven't launched it yet, right, so it's not launched yet, but we have been thinking of setting this up but this is more of Like a platform for fellowship Spiritual care and nurture, right? So it's it'll be open to all our students as well as other ministers outside Anywhere in the world who want to be part of it? and that's it'll be a platform for us to to Fellowship To provide nurture share, you know ask questions so on so forth. So That that will be set up and you can sign up for it, you know, it's it's not like it's not a paid membership or anything. It's more of a People who'd volunteer who voluntarily on their own accord want to be part of it For fellowship spiritual nurture and spiritual oversight So we'll set that up and you know an email will go out and so that might prove that I think will provide what you're asking for Which is a platform to share and ask questions and discuss and that's all Thank you, Pastor You will come I think so that you had a question did you raise your hand? Okay, no problem all right, so the cover these these ideas are just you know things that are we're working on and over time we will launch them and We will you know, of course, we'll send emails to announce it and we can continue You know the fellowship we have and the nurture we're able to provide and also spiritual oversight And there's no compulsion for any of these things. It's all just open and free for people to participate Okay. All right, so thank you all for being part of this course. I hope you know, you found this journey useful and And you know, we'll continue our journey next semester We still have the other course to finish so we'll do that Charles your question we'll fill the app from the link you provided Yeah, so Charles for the CPAP the church planting accelerator program. Remember, it's for next year We will we will send an email next year Right now the web page is restricted for people in India. So if anybody from outside India try to submit it won't accept But next year we'll open it up globally. So all all the students can You know can participate But it'll be the same link. Yeah We will send an email on it Okay, thank you everyone's been great turning together may I request somebody to please pray and then we will close Anyone could pray Go ahead Dear god, thank you so much for this course that we did on the urban church That we need I'll put it into a hard right on campus of a hard spot and pray that As we're about to end this course lord that we need meditate on the things that's been been taught and Things lord that's been poured out and planted in your hearts god That we may remember what you didn't talk for us god I pray blessings over my classmates and our pastor god. Thank you for everything that we may have a great Day ahead and also that we may journey this semester with your Guidance and interpretation. Thank you for everything lord. We pray Amen Thank you everyone. So um look out for the assessments. You'll get notified Take your time to do it and Yep, god bless See you all soon. Bye now Thank you pastor Thank you everyone. Thank you so much God bless