 How you guys doing? Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming. Thank you. Am I mics? Am I mics? Yeah. All right. So thanks for coming to the workshop. They said, you know, do you want to do a speech? And I said, well, yeah. Because it's actually been almost a year since I've been out in front of a crowd because there's been protests and antifa and all this kind of stuff. So there's been a lot of deplatforming. So I've kind of adapted. There's a lot of suppression on YouTube of my channel and stuff like that. So I've kind of adapted by going out into the world more. But I can't do speeches other than with these kinds of tough guys because it's a lot of pushback. So actually, I've been doing documentaries. I went to Hong Kong not too long ago. I wanted to know what was going on there because it really does seem kind of fascinating. It's kind of a real battle between free markets and socialism or communism. So I went out with the guy who made the movie Hoaxed. I don't know if you've ever seen Hoaxed, but Mike Sernovich Productions is a really, really good movie. You can get it at hoaxedmovie.com. We went out to Hong Kong and... Can I go forward and backwards just out of curiosity? Yeah, okay. I like to stay out of focus because it makes me look younger. So if I mess around with the autofocus... Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay. We're doing this with protection. That's right. So yeah, so we went out to Hong Kong. We interviewed... I interviewed the guy who wrote their constitution, a bunch of politicians and business people and so on. Then we went down to a protest. Man, these are some tough guys down there because they're facing these seriously fascistic Hong Kong police which have a lot of influence from China. And it's wild. They try to create these makeshift barriers on the street so they'll rip up stuff, like the railings and so on, they'll rip it up. And as soon as someone starts doing that, it's called the umbrella movement, partly because umbrella keeps the tear gas at bay. And when someone starts ripping something up to fight against the incursion of the police military vehicles, a bunch of people go and open their umbrellas because there are security cameras everywhere and this way they can't see who's doing it and these guys are seriously brave except it had actually the girliest implement I've ever seen. It was walking down towards where the police were with the protestors and they had little children's inflatable rafts. And I'm like, as far as weapons of war goes, I've not seen that one. And it said, no, it's a shield, right? Because you can put tape on it and you could strap it to. So then when the bricks start flying, you've got at least some kind of shield, right? So we went right down to the end and it's funny, have you guys been in big crowds when there's like a real something going on? That's like this is collective consciousness. Like people just start, you know those birds when they swarm and all of that, they're all kind of moving. There's this kind of like, people suddenly start moving one way and nobody knows exactly why and then there's another tide that goes. We're right down to the end and then they unleashed all the tear gas on the protestors and that's anyone ever been tear gas? It's a little later in my presentation so you'll, if you don't get emotional, I'll just tear gas you. So look at the passion, look at the passion in their faces. But yeah, sprinting with tear gas, I mean, it's really it gets your attention, right? And that is really quite, so we're still working on the documentary should be out sort of middle of next month, but I hope to explain it before they get swallowed up by the Chinese juggernaut. But so going out and doing that kind of stuff is a lot of fun, but I sort of miss interacting with people about philosophy, right? So I do this call and show I have for like 15 years. So when they said, do you want to do like a workshop? I'm like, hell's yeah, because if we can talk philosophy or how philosophy can help you and it's not just me staring at a camera in a studio, I mean, eye contact and all of that. I mean, that's way better because it drives me crazy when I do all these calls and I don't want to put people on video because a lot of them are dealing with sort of very sensitive issues. So the idea of actually being able to see the people I'm talking to is like, absolutely, yeah. So these doors fortunately lock from the outside. So you can't leave. That's just, you know, I appreciate you coming and I appreciate you staying, although the first was a choice, the second really isn't. So thank you for all of that. But so the way we can start is, you know, if there's something I don't know if you've listened to my show before know the kind of approach that I take, but it's, you know, philosophical and I'm not afraid of personal issues because to me philosophy is something that should help you in your daily life. You know, it's great to talk about free will and how do you validate the senses and how do you know the nature of reality and are we living in a simulation and that's great stuff. And I, you know, it's just a foundation but does that really help you in your day to day life? And I don't know that it does hugely. I think it may have a big effect sort of long-term. So the way that I really like to work with philosophy is these kinds of principles should be able to help you in your day to day life. It's great to understand nutrition. You know, I know at a men's conference when I'm at lunch and everyone's like, so what's your diet? What are you, what are you, okay, what do you bench and what's your diet? But you know, because we want the abstract principles not to be like masculinity, femininity, but also does it help you work out? Does it help you maintain your weight? Does it keep you healthy? It's the same thing with philosophy and abstract principles are great but it really can hit the, rubber can hit the road in your life. And so if anybody has like a yearning burning what we're gonna do is you guys are off camera because I said, it's all about me. Because you know, you want some privacy and all that. So your voice will be on, but the camera will be on me. So if you have for anybody, hopefully you do, otherwise it's gonna be two hours of me doing a, I don't know a soft chew routine or something which you really don't wanna see. But if you have something that's going on in your life that you think philosophy might help with, I will be happy to bring that to bear. But so I guess the first question is, does anybody have questions? Yeah, so why don't you take a mic and we'll talk about it. Do you have a joke you'd like to share with the entire, sorry, I'm just being my third grade teacher, right? Did you bring enough gum for everyone? I wanted like a philosophical background to be able to do that. Are any of your enemies in the room at the moment? Cause we can cage match, like totally. Fuck it, we can cage match. Grab a pen, stab like a bitch, man. Sorry, you wanted to. Sorry, on and off. No, I didn't get that sec off. I don't, it just glitched for me there. It's like, okay. So I think one of my questions or comments or other two is just how philosophy and logic has at least me growing up wasn't really, especially in education, is somewhere it's supposed to be given, some form or another. It's not at least the way I think. But the opposite, really. Right. It's not non-philosophical, it's anti-philosophical. It's anti-philosophical, right? So I guess now that I'm a little older, I've started reading, right? I've actually done a little more work in that realm because I know that's one of my weaknesses. So can you recommend some kind of like a guide or roadmap that'll help me and as well as if I end up having a family and having the kids, how to impart that? Because I mean, for the foreseeable future, I don't see that going back to where. No, we're not turning it around quite yet. No, that's a great question. So we can talk about the reasoning. I've got a whole series of free books on the web, it's freedomain.com. The books are all free except for the art of the argument because I wanted to get that on Amazon and Audible and I had to charge for it. So I obviously would recommend my own books. I mean, Play Doh's Dialogues are fantastic for getting started, but that stuff, try and stay away from the Germans. They'll just pretzel your brain till you can't know which way is up. But Nietzsche is great as a thought provoker. He's more of an aphorist. So Nietzsche will say really, really cool things. Like, give a man a why and he can bear almost any how. If you have enough of a purpose, you'll find a way to get there. Is that philosophy? I'm not sure. It's fortune cookie stuff. It's thought provoking. Or he said something I always remember. He said vanity is the fear of appearing original. It's kind of true, right? Because vein means that you want to look good to other people. But other people usually look at originality like it's some sort of airborne virus that's going to strip you of your testicles, right? So thought provoking stuff, but not necessarily of great utility in your daily life. So Schopenhauer, well, I don't know for the men's rights, guys I should recommend Schopenhauer for his view on women and so on. But Schopenhauer in terms of pessimism is very important because we all have to wrestle with nihilism, right? We all have to wrestle with nihilism, particularly right after we realize just how much we've been fucking lied to in life. We all have to wrestle, some people call it the red pill rage with regards to male-female issues. But with lots of truth, reason, and evidence, we get pretty pissed. And reading people like Schopenhauer who are more negative can help you process that, although it's not where you want to stay. Rick, you know what I mean? It's not where you want to stay. It's like chemo, you know? Go to chemo, stop going to chemo, right? And go and deal with the negativity and then find a way to move on. I'm a big fan of Ayn Rand, very digestible, philosophy very thought provoking, and an incredible writer. You know, all this cliches about, oh, you know, she couldn't do great characters and so on. It's like, dude, I mean, it's stylized. It's romanticism. It's not kitchen sink drama. It's not supposed to replicate life. It's supposed to give you something to aim for rather than hold up a mirror to reality. It's like saying, you know, in Shakespeare, nobody's that poetic. It's like, yeah, I know. Oh, the other thing, too, which really pisses me off. This is a total by the by. I'm sorry about that. My whole life, you know, if you guys have read Fountainhead, At the Shrugged, and so in it, there is some pretty rough sex scenes, right? Where the women are like, no, no, no, fine, fine, fine. No, no, no, fine. And so, like, my whole time, it's like, oh, this is, like, rape culture and it's the rapes in these movies and this is terrible and terrible and terrible and this is why no woman should ever read I and Ran. It's like, then along comes 50 Shades of Grey and I'm like, oh, fuck. You gotta be kidding me. You get it, right? Because it's like, oh, this is like, and it's like, oh, what? Did he just not have a helicopter? If Howard Rock had a helicopter, he'd be fine. Jesus. Anyway, so I think a lot of that stuff is really, really good to start with. As far as for me, and I think emotional motivation is more important than intellectual focus because if you have, if you give a man a why, he can bear almost any how, why do you focus? Well, for me, a lot of it had to do with real anger, real anger at not just the human birthright but more specifically the masculine birthright that I was stripped of because men are really, really good at arguing and debating and processing reality, right? Because we build the shelter of civilization which keeps the women and the children safe. There's this old line from the godfather where he says, women, men can't afford to make mistakes. Women and children can afford to make mistakes, but men can't. And I think there's a sort of glean of truth in that. So if, for me, it was like, holy shit, I've really, really been lied to. And the greatest power and musculature of my intellect was not just a trophy that was turned against me. I was supposed to argue against myself, against reality, against reason, against evidence, against facts. And so we are really castrated mentally in a very gynocentric educational system, right? I mean, when I was a kid, a single mom, daycare, female teachers, primary school, female teachers. I did go to boarding school, which was more masculine for a couple of years when I was six to eight. But for the most part, it's just like women, women, women, authority, authority, authority. And I remember when people first telling me about the patriarchy, it's like, how what now? Patriarchy? I didn't know any real fathers around when I was growing up and all the teachers were women in the daycare. I worked in a daycare when I was a teenager, it was all females except for me. So this whole patriarchy thing seemed kind of crazy. So once you get angry, an anger is a really, really great emotion. It gets really powerful. It's your body's immune system, right? Like, AIDS is when your immune system doesn't recognize a foreign virus as far as I understand it. It doesn't fight back against it. It's not AIDS that kills you, it's all the... So anger, male anger, has been demonized as something destructive, but it's not. You know, you get angry at cold, you build a house, right? You get angry at having a walk everywhere, you build a road. Anger is very, very important, very healthy. It's just being demonized, like it's just destructive. But that's rage, that's totally different, right? That's very, very different. Like, there's times when your body's immune system will attack yourself, right? And that's rage, right? You want your body's immune system, you want it to be functional, so you can't be without anger that's unhealthy, but you don't want it to attack yourself and your values, so this way, the shop and house stuff is kind of toxic. You don't want it to be rage, but you want that healthy anger so that you can push back against that, which is trying to destroy you. Not to the point where you destroy yourself, obviously, that's the rage part, but that anger is really important once you realize how much has been robbed of you and how much you've been lied to. We're pretty good at focused anger as men, and that gets us through to a destination, right? I mean, fuck the wolf who's trying to eat your family. Like, sorry, man, we're both mammals, but it's you or me, right? And so that anger, I think, is really important. Now, of course, again, when you say anger is good or whatever, people think you just sit in a bit of rage at a corner, like meatloaf design, denied dessert or something, but it's not that, really. Sorry, that's an older reference for people. People think, why would a piece of food be allowed dessert? I just listened to Bad Out of Hell the other night while I was working on something. Dear God, I'm telling you, that music can beat the shit out of modern music. It really can. It's like a bike again hitting a tutu gang. Anyway, it's killer. It's killer, just get into that music. I mean, that guy's childhood, too. Holy shit, do you ever hear about the meatloaf's childhood? Holy crap, so he grew up in Texas, Texas kid, right? Not a small kid. His father beat him like through him through plate glass windows downstairs, and his father, meatloaf's father, this will actually make sense in a sec, but meatloaf's father came at him with a knife and meatloaf was a big boy, right? And put his father in hospital and then left barefoot in his mid-teens, left home. And yeah, he's had some challenges for sure, right? But that anger is really, really important. It's something that when you harness it, it gives you incredible propulsion. If it's absent from you, you're inert. If it's too present, like this Aristotelian mean is really, really important for men, more so, I think, than for women, right? So Aristotelian mean is you want something that's a balance between two, right? So what do you call an excess of courage? Foolhardiness is more of the technical term, like fools rush in where angels fear to tread, right? So an excess of courage is like, I'm going over the First World War trench into the German machine gun nest, right? You're like Gallipoli down into nothing, right? And so an excess of courage is a vice. It's dangerous, right? And a deficiency of courage is called cowardice, right? In which case you don't take on necessary fights and you get people to walk all over you, right? So you don't wanna be a bully, but you don't wanna be a victim. You wanna be assertive, not aggressive. And that is a tough balance to find. And this is something Aristotle said like 2500 years ago. He said, any idiot can get angry. You know, any idiot, and we see this all the time, at road rage and people screaming at security guys, anyone can get angry. To get angry at the right time, in the right proportion about the right issues and express it in the right way, that's hard. That's hard. And we have been taught to shy away from our anger because it's toxic masculinity and it's destructive and somehow it's gonna make babies explode in the womb or something like that, which is more female narcissism and abortion, but anyway. So I think that to me, the anger has been very, very healthy and very, very helpful. And if we can really embrace that and use it for us, you know, what a border is around a country but boundaries in a relationship. And if you don't, because we've been so emasculated with regards to anger, our countries are open for the taking, which is catastrophic for us. So that, I can tell you all the books and so on, but if you like, you wanna reclaim what was taken from you, like get angry at the people who took something from you and fight to get it back. It's like if somebody stole your father's wealth and you didn't get your inheritance, you'd be pretty mad and you'd fight to get it back and you should. And that's the same thing with our reasoning and all of that, it's really been stripped from us. And that's to some degree because we have a whole education system that can't stand even the remotest moral scrutiny. You know, we have an educational system that's paid for by forced coercive taxes. And often in many countries, children are forced to go there or you're certainly forced to pay for it, even if you don't have kids or even if like me you homeschool. So we have an entire educational system based upon pointing guns at people to get what you want. And then we go to that educational system and they say, well, don't push anyone. You can't take stuff without permission. You've got to respect property rights. It's like, who pays your salary? The gun. Yeah, so I mean, it's so compromised that you can't even look at it without your brain. You know, it's like the mom, like they did this real-time study a couple of years ago on day. We're trying to study how parents interacted with their children and what they regularly heard was this. Over and over and over again, moms hitting their kids for virtually nothing, right? For trying to turn the page too soon in a book and stuff like that, right? And that level of violence is occurring all the time. And it's often moms, sometimes dads, of course. And they literally heard over and over again, don't hit. Like, come on. I mean, the kids look at that, like, well, it's like it's an asylum. It's an asylum, right? It's like some guy wiping his shit on the wall, saying, shit should never be on walls. Like this is an asylum. Like where we live is an asylum. I mean, it's less of an asylum than it's been. Most of history is even worse of an asylum. Most of the world is even more of an asylum. But, you know, get mad at the people who lie to your face. And I think that that's a big, big incentive for philosophy. All right. Yes, sir, we're gonna, you know, yeah, we're gonna pass that over. And we can do it back and forth. You don't have to do one question. If you, you know, we can do it back and forth. No problem. Stepan, I'm looking here at your thoughts on the philosophy of modern, canceled culture. Two really kind of good perspectives. The first one is I just think of what Google thinks of your name or, you know, the difference between your videos and how Wikipedia interprets your video. Yeah, yeah. And then I would say for a lot of the folks that are here at this conference, we are, for the most part, a closeted red pill. Our family doesn't know. A lot of these thoughts and cases, our friends don't. Our coworkers are certain. I don't know how we feel about these things. Yeah, sane is the new gay. So, canceled culture is a dress rehearsal for mass murder. I'd be very clear. Cancelled culture is a dress rehearsal for mass murder. They're seeing if people can be disappeared from social media. And if people accept people being disappeared from social media, then they will accept people being disappeared from the world. When communists get into power, when socialists get into power, they kill us. No kidding, no fooling. And our families are lucky to get away. Yeah, yeah, it's a great leap forward up a cliff. Cancelled culture is a dress rehearsal for extermination. Yeah, listen, they call it character assassination because it's a rehearsal, right? It's a rehearsal. And the kind of lies that are told about me in the mainstream media, in Wikipedia and other places are very specifically designed to get crazy people to target me in a violent manner. It's an incitement to violence, right? Because they portray me as such an evil person that's the old would you shoot Hitler if you think it's a baby or whatever it is, right? So, yes, it is a sociopathic dress rehearsal for extermination. And it's very, very serious stuff because we wanna push back while it's still in the form of language rather than wait until it's guys kicking in your door three o'clock in the morning and everybody vanishing. So yeah, cancel culture is, well first of all, it's the opposite of culture. See, culture is when you disagree. Otherwise it's a cult. It's just the first syllable, cult, not culture, right? So culture is when we disagree and we're allowed to disagree because that's what culture is. It's just conformity, otherwise it's just, like ants in a row, it's nothing, right? So when you silence people you disagree with, that's the opposite of culture. That's stagnation, that's decay. And it does a murderousness to it. But there changes the definition of the words. There changes the definition of fascism. The fascism is to violently push someone back from not breathing, but now there's a change into being able to be able to properly speech. Of course, yeah, of course. So what they do, yeah, what they do is they will, they will charge up words with such negative connotations that when they then attach those words to people, it's like that laser painting for an airstrike. So they want to charge up, like words like racism, white nationalist, white supremacist, fascist, Nazi. They charge these words, and listen, some of these words have negative connotations for good reason and all that, but they charge these words up to the point where it overwhelms the mob's capacity for reason and it creates such a level of hatred against those words that then when they attach those words to people, it's designed to call in violence, which is what I've sort of been facing, right? I mean, I can't, it's why it's nice to come out here with you lovely people because we go out to other places and people are attacking the venues, there are bomb threats, death threats, they call 911, the police don't even show. I mean, this state of nature out there for free thinkers at the moment. So this is a nice break from the studio. What do you do with them changing the definition of racism? I mean, I'm reading now things like that in colleges that African American students can't comprehend that belief bias towards Caucasians is a form of racism, but we're not a race. Well, see, now race is very clearly defined when it's time for affirmative action, but when whites say, well, we're a race and we have race interests, well, who knows what being white is? It's like, I don't remember that confusion when the term white privilege was, nobody said, well, you can't talk about white privilege because white is so undefined. They're like, no, white privilege, right? But yeah, when then whites say, well, we're a race and we may have particular considerations, particularly when there's lots of negative views of whites being pumped out there through the academia and so on, suddenly white is this amorphous thing that you can't possibly define. You can see Jared Taylor gets hit with these kinds of things as well, right? I mean, as far as just, you have to stand up and speak the truth. I mean, the alternative to standing up is a disaster beyond what we can imagine. And understand too, so the word racism, it's largely invented and deployed by communists in order to sow divisions between the races, right? So we have people of different races here, we're gonna have a pleasant and rational conversation, and I don't care about your race and you shouldn't care about mine, it doesn't matter, right? But if people can come in and say, ah, well, you see, you have to hate me because of privilege and I have to hate you because of this and we have something, we don't have this in common and we don't have that in common. If they can sow these kinds of divisions, they can create civil war and they can say, hey man, capitalism failed. You know, which is like poisoning your wife and saying, well, I guess you just didn't work out. A couple of more crunches, she'd have been fine, right? So it's a multiracial society to me, it's fine, but if a multiracial society is then, has sows of hostility, hatred and division sewn in, then we're doomed, we're doomed. And that's why I push back against this term. There are races out there for sure, but it should be very sparingly applied. You know, this spray of everyone with racism, it devalues the word, which is an important word because there are some people out there who are a racist. You think, I mean, this is, I see a correlation, but I'm not sure if it's a correlation. I feel like my generation, I'm in my mid-40s, I feel like I saw my grandparents' generation be, you know, out of a racist, that was the norm and I feel like I watched that whole change during my growing up when we were taught not to be able to treat a man like a man. Mm-hmm. Content of the character rather than the color of the skin, absolutely, yeah. Now, we got to the point where I may be on naive, but that I thought most of that was gone, the systemic stuff where the corporations were doing it or the government was doing it. And now it's like all of that has been erased and they're trying to tell us that it was, the Americans like it was, you know, pre-1967. Yeah. Is it because my generation of kids, is it because the generation between my grandparents had kids and like, out of that, they put some change in the causes and how did that happen to you? So the analogy that I would use is, imagine that you're an impressionable young man and you put yourself under the tutelage of some guru or mentor who says, I'm gonna get rid of your muffin top, give you a nice six-pack and you know, you're gonna work out and all that, right? And you're like, yeah, okay, I could do that, right? So then he puts you on a diet and you know, you start working out and so on and you lose the weight and you get some definition and all that kind of stuff, right? But then the process keeps going. You gotta work out more, you gotta eat less to the point where your health becomes seriously compromised, right? So the bait is come and be healthy and be fit and get girls or whatever it is, right? Be the only guy on the planet who looks good in the banana hammock, Speedo or whatever, right? So that's the bait, but it goes too far and then it ends up compromising your health. So with the leftist, the goal of anti-racism was not to eliminate racism. The goal of anti-racism was to set the racist against each other and we know that because that's what they keep doing. So it's like, oh yeah, you'll get a six pack. It's like, no, you'll end up with your heart failing because you don't have any body fat left and you've got no cushion for your internal organs and you can't survive, right? Because the bait is, hey, you're gonna get healthy but then you starve to death, right? So the goal is to kill you. The bait is the abs, if that makes sense, right? So the goal is to set us against each other to the point where we end up hating each other and fighting each other. But the goal is, hey, we want to just wanna end racism. It's like, well, no, you don't because now there are huge numbers of hate crime hoaxes, right? Someone says, oh, I was attacked for this, that, or the other. Turns out to be false. Now you have white privilege, white institutionalized, blah, blah, blah, right? Even though Jews make more money than whites. Nobody ever talks about that. East Asians make more money than whites. Guys blacks from West Africa make more money per capita than whites when they come to the American, right? Very talented and smart people. Indians make a huge amount of money but somehow it's all white privilege, right? So when racism has been diminished and you invent new racism, right? It's like saying, well, you know, you can pinch an inch. It's like, oh, now you can pinch a millimeter. Oh, now you, you know, like you just, the goal is not to end racism. The goal is to inflame and exacerbate tensions to the point where we fight. Do you think the original motivation of the civil rights movements was to perpetuate hatred of other groups? Because I only know what the problem is. Yeah, yeah. There were very well-meaning people. And listen, who likes racism? Anybody? No, of course not, right? So there are well-meaning people who want to get rid of it for sure. But we know from the documentary evidence historically that it was in 1923 that the communist international said, we're going to inflame racial tensions, particularly in America, in order to destroy capitalism. That's not me, right? You can look it up. It's well-documented. And so that was very much set in place. And what they did was they hooked into legitimate grievances of blacks in America, entirely legitimate grievances, and injustices that the blacks had suffered historically. Obviously slavery, Jim Crow segregation, all that kind of stuff. All government programs, by the way. So they had legitimate grievances. Like the guy says, oh, I'd like to lose a little weight. It's like, yeah, I want to starve to death, right? Can we just find something in the middle, right? So I don't, you know, you can't mind-read the motivations of everyone involved. And there were some people who wanted to do good things and did do good things. But the fundamental driver and why it hasn't stopped. And it's like feminism, right? Was the purpose of feminism for equality for women? Well, no. Because the whole point, the whole problem of the government-funded revolution is it never knows when to stop. It can't stop. Because if it stops, it loses its funding, right? So like, if you have a charity that says, hey, we're gonna go and eliminate polio, it's like, hey, I don't play that game with horses. No, no. The other one. So, sorry. Nothing funnier than a good polio joke. But, so if there's a place, oh, we wanna get rid of polio, right? And then you give them a bunch of money and then they go, oh, we developed a vaccine. Polio's gone. What do you do? Stop paying them. You stop paying them. Because polio, hey, we solved, right? Like when you lose weight, you're supposed to stop at some point before you die, right? And it's the same thing with feminism, with anti-racism and so on. It's like, when is the problem solved enough where we stop? Right? Like, what do they say about climate change? It's settled science. It's like, oh, well, then we should stop funding it, right? It's settled. It's like, we don't fund research into whether the world is a sphere or not, right? I mean, that's settled science, right? We don't, oh, is gravity still working today? Let's test, right? So sometimes when, like, sometimes in Hispanic, and if I were to raise my voice to those people, right, saying, oh, you know, it's still not solved and I raise my hand and say, no, hello, look at me. As a Hispanic gentleman, you're doing fine, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so how do we approach that? How do we make them, I mean, I'm pretty sure they're not going to change their mind, but at least see if there's some kind of spark that can see, that can put in their mind, saying, well? Well, so there's, I mean, there's a contradictory argument put out by the leftist. And listen, I know I'm bagging a lot on leftists. I've got my criticisms of rightists and everyone thinks I'm a conservative, but I'm not, right? Technically, a market anarchist. But anyway, so the leftists with regards to race relations and economics, they say two things that are very contradictory. Number one, the capitalists are just evil people driven to exploit and make money off everyone no matter what, right? That's number one. And number two, well, they just won't hire Hispanics or blacks or whatever, right? They just won't hire them because they're racist. It's like, well, can't have both, right? If you're just money hungry, then whoever you could profit from, you'll make money from, right? I mean, if women were so economically productive and you could get a woman for 75 cents on the dollar, women should all just go hire women and kick everyone else's ass economically, right? But they don't do that, right? Because they're not dumb, right? Manipulative, perhaps, but not dumb. And so, I mean, just, you gotta point out now, for me, I don't know if you guys, let me know if you've had this moment where the wires cross, you have this, you know? Like, you've been told stuff all your life, and suddenly it's like, you know, like the two wires which are never supposed to touch, you know, the internet is jamming them all together and you know, and you're just like, that's where the spark of thought and life comes from, right? I mean, I remember with my own personal family history, I won't get into too many details if you've heard it before, but I remember when I was 12, my mother, my brother went one place, my mother went another place and I stayed with a friend of mine's grandparents I didn't even know. And somebody said, well, why did your family split up? And I was like 20 when they asked this, right? So it'd been like eight years. And I was like, I have no idea. Why did we all go different around? And that was like the beginning of like, oh, you know, like that meme of the guy. Right, that was the beginning of, so you get those wires to cross. Okay, if capitalist evil people who want to profit, then why would they give up profits for the sake of racism? Then they have considerations other than mere profit, in which case they can't just be profit motive, right? And so if men are so sexist and yet men want to just be capitalist to profit off everyone, then why don't the higher women just to make more money? The women are so economic. So now some people, you can touch those wires, there's still no circuitry, right? Like nothing, they've developed this weird 1984 thing of like two simultaneous thoughts with no problem whatsoever, right? So what can you do with those guys? You can't, right? Sorry, there's no wiring, you know? Like that's like digging up somebody from the 18th century and saying, CPR, you know? He's gone, Jim, right? So, but some people, right? You cross those wires, there's a spark, right? And there's something like, whoa, that doesn't gel, right? Now those people, you just, you're launching them on a lifelong journey. Like that's a beautiful thing to do. And I had mine where it's just like, well, wait. Right, so, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, go ahead. So I'm gonna say, though, it was canceled culture. I think it's kind of a symptom or an example, if you will, of the Overton window, but not moving and reframing the terms of whatever the debate is in a particular direction. And frankly, it's fraud boiling in the water and doesn't know it's boiling yet. And another way that I think manifests in the political arena is, you know, yeah, we're gonna come take your ear off your teens. Did you see, sorry to interrupt, did you see the video of him getting his flu shot? It did not. Well, he's got these, you know, like you take a plasticine, pink plasticine, roll it like this, attach it, and that's what his arms look like. And so, somebody, it sounds, looks like somebody took his guns already. It's kind of funny, right? It's kind of funny. Wait, you guys laugh in the most of the joke that isn't even mine? Okay, no, it's fine. The point being, it's, you know, whether it's that or cancel culture or extremism of candidates, it's like, what can we get away with today to inoculate people against what we really wanna do tomorrow? So, you have any insight into that that gives me all that, just a second. Well, so the most censorship that we experience is horizontal, not vertical, right? I mean, I assume nobody here has been prosecuted for hate speech violations or anything like that, right? So, why are we silent? Why are we silent? Well, outside of, you know, maybe professional repercussions or whatever, right? So, why are we silent? You were saying that, you know, we're re-hide, right? And our families don't even know, right? And why, why do we hide? Because, see, slavery, mental slavery is not hierarchical, it's horizontal. It's horizontal, right? We keep each other down. We keep each other down. Like, it's a part of my speech earlier about saying like, the women won't have sex with you if you disagree with them, but that's a form of slavery, right? You can't speak out otherwise, no V-bombs for you, right? So, the question with courage has to do horizontally with our horizontal relationships, right? Because we're not usually threatened from above, right? I mean, so, like, we're not usually the police don't show up, you know, you're threatened horizontally, right? Which is why the reputational damage is considered to be where things are at. Like, this is why I show up on the front cover of the New York Times as someone who radicalized. I radicalized someone, you see, because a guy listened to my show. He was unemployed, he had no girlfriend. He listened to my show, and he got a job. And a girlfriend. But she was Christian though. So that, New York Times may not be a huge fan of that. So that's me, like, on the cover of the New York Times as radicalizing someone. You can go find it online. I wouldn't say it's kind of funny because I was a little like, New York Times. Yay, I've made it big. But anyway, it didn't turn out to be too bad. There's a picture of me, Jordan Peterson, Lauren Southern, and Milton Friedman. No, because they took through this guy that got a search history or his watch history, and these are all the people that, you know, so there's me next to Milton Friedman, who's kind of a hero of mine. And it's like, all right, I'll take the free advertising. Yeah, put me next to a Nobel Prize-winning economist. Fine, I'll live with it. So, yeah, so the character assassination is designed to, obviously, to make you unhierable and so the economic stuff is a different matter. But the question is the family table. Family dinner table, right? The family dinner table. What are our relationships composed of? Are they composed of our presence or our absence? Are they composed of ourselves or our conformity? Now, for myself, I cannot have relationships where I can't be myself, because they're not relationships. They're not. Situationships are the better. Proximity, accidental biological cage, whatever you want to call it, right? So it's just, if I have to silence myself in order to be in a relationship with someone, and listen, I'm not saying this is some big virtue and I stand alone and, you know, how it work. Everybody has their own comfort levels and so this is a complicated question, right? Because there are consequences and I, of course, am a public figure who is already out, so to speak, in terms of what it is I believe. So, like, what else can they do to me, right? Like, now they've, okay, I'm a Nazi, white supremacist, whatever, whatever, right? All of it's false, completely false. But, okay, what else are they gonna say now, right? I mean, there's nothing left in their chamber except real bullets, which we're all working to avoid, by committing to freedom. So when it comes to what can you do, I don't look at the big picture of stuff that much, you know, like I'd love to end the Fed. I think the Federal Reserve is catastrophic. Am I gonna be able to do it? Well, no, right? I mean, I would love to end this constant imperialism that the American Empire is engaged in. I'd love to end these useless Israel, proximate desert sand wars of ultimate futility and destruction. To end all of this massive transfer of wealth from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries that masquerades as foreign aid. I'd love to get rid of corporate subsidies. I'd love to get rid of the tax code. I'd love to get rid of the whole damn mess. But, I can't, right? I mean, I can engage with people and this is where you have to make that choice. And whatever choice you make, so I will say this in my shell, I don't care what choice you make as long as it's conscious, right? So if you say I'm gonna stay in a marriage for the sake of the kids, okay? I can't tell you whether you should or shouldn't it's your life, right? But as long as it's conscious, as long as it's conscious, as long as you've made a choice, I will accept your choice. So is it conscious for you guys that you have relationships where you can't be yourself, where you bite your tongue, where you chew the honesty of your soul into nothing, just to be there? Now, you can say, okay, I gotta provide for my family, this is a job, I'm hired by a bunch of leftists, I'm gonna shut up at work. Okay, fine. Yeah, I'm not gonna say, oh, you coward, you should go and live under a bridge for your principles, right? I don't know, I'm not living under a bridge for my principles, so I'm not gonna tell that to you. But as long as it's conscious and you say, I'm going into this and I'm gonna shut the hell up and I'm not gonna wear that hat, or that hat, or that hat, or this hat. And, you know, I'm gonna pretend that Hillary Clinton is Queen Buttigieg for reason and evidence, fine, right? Fine. I'm gonna pretend that drag queen shows for kids in public libraries where they stuffed money into rather hairy corsets, totally fine, like whatever, like just be conscious of it, right? Now, I think once you're conscious of it, it changes the way that you approach things. Once you observe it, even just looking at your life differently from a different place of consciousness, you can't be the same and the things that people interact with are not the same whether you wish or so. Right, I mean, what's the best way to get men to do something is to tell them that they can't, right? We all, that way, it's all forbidden fruit, it's all grass is greener, right? So when you say to yourself in a relationship, I can't be honest. What is part of you saying? Fuck that, I'd be more honest, right? You thought I was gonna meet you halfway? No, no, no. Now that I know, I'm going the whole hog. It could be, right? Or you could, again, decide to be, it's kind of humiliating to bite your tongue, isn't it? You know, we have the right of free speech and it's kind of, it doesn't feel a little like, sorry? Lines yourself. Well, no, no, because if you're telling your truth, this is what I'm saying, just tell the truth to yourself and say, I choose in this situation to not tell the truth I know to be essential, right? And if you say that, there are situations where you can do that, for sure, right? As some tax collector comes to my door, I'm not gonna tell them that taxation is theft. You know, there's reasonable, pick your battles reasonable, I understand all of that, right? But in your personal relationships, can you tell the truth? And it can't be a political truth. It can be a personal truth, right? It can be an emotional truth, right? It can be you, my dear uncle, tell the same stories all the time. You gotta mix it up. Like seriously, this is, and you said it sounds like baby steps, that's important stuff. So does anyone have like one of these where it's like you're biting your tongue, or you look like you're, the aforementioned meatloaf running up stairs? Okay, do you wanna get a, what are you there? Yeah, yeah. And listen, you guys talk more if you want. I mean, seriously, you can watch this on video. So like, let's engage, right? Yeah, when I was doing my professional oral exam, you come to say colleges, there's a panel of three women in front of me and I, so I decided to be myself and speak my truth to them and they didn't pass me in there. That's harsh. I was enraging on this, I would say. What was it, do you think, what did you say that they found objection about it? Well, I'm an in-interview, right? So, I went to this whole thing like, yeah, I just gotta learn this one language for 40 minutes and then I was like, that's not true. And my supervisor was like, no, I managed to be yourself. So, yeah, I'm talking about how to open a man. And so you work with the enemy, yeah? What else? Collaborator, Vichy. A service, a lot of these things that people need and they basically said, like, this is an in-interview of what they call just on the counselor and coming down. So, I left hanging my head and I haven't gone back since to redo it because. How long ago was that? That was in the laboratory. Now, of course, it's a lot of education to get to that room, right? It's the last thing you have to do. It's the last thing, so you've got, you had a mentor or you've done undergraduate, graduate work, right? And it's a tough call, right? Because do you wanna be in a club where that's the entrance? Or on the other hand, you just bite your tongue, get through that entrance and do your thing. I meant to do it. Well, here's my answer to that, which may be clarifying, maybe not. I think I'll go through it here again. I spent couple counseling to be the male counselor that there was a biological difference between men and women. You were debating out of the male counselor. I was thinking $300 an hour and debating on whether or not there was a death. So the answer to that is 350 bucks an hour. That's the answer. I don't fuck the rest of it, that's the answer. Sometimes you gotta fight the bullet to you wanna be a part of the game. Like any business, you don't tell the guy you're interviewing that he's an ass, that his company sucks, but if you know that there's teams in there that you could work with and be functional yourself, maybe it's worth it. That's if you know that it's the things that you can create within that thing. Well, what I like to do in my class will get coverage, and I like that they will. So yeah, if you make it a personal decision, it's almost unresolvable because you're split, right? I mean, ambivalent, right? It's a more technical phrase. It doesn't affect your job really. I mean, I think you go in with this, but. But so my answer would be, but once you get the designation, then you can accept the insurance money, right? Well, now the designation is just provisionals attached on to it, so I don't wanna lose that, but I can keep going like this forever and I would be fine. It's more of an internal struggle. Well, no, but you might wanna get it in case they change the rules. Well, at that point, it would happen, yeah. Well, yeah, so let's say that there's some advantage to it, because if there's no advantage to it, then it doesn't matter, right? So if there is some advantage to it, and this is my sort of personal struggle, which I have every day, the question is the men you can help or the women you can help on the other side of that, what did they want? What's best for them? Because you make it about you, you can go back and forth like ping-pong with yourself forever, right? But if it's about, okay, what's best for the people on the other side of that room? Now, I think that there may be. The people that are interviewing? No, the people who you're gonna help, the clients you're gonna have down the road. Now, maybe some of them. Yeah, what's best for them? Now, what's best for them, I think, is that you get this designation. That's right, that's why I stated it. Yeah, so if it's not, like if it's just about you, then it's, right? So for me, okay, so I walk the line on a lot of topics and so on, like I could go further and so on, but what's best for the world is that I continue to have a voice out in the world, right? So that's how I kind of make, if it's just about what do I want to talk about, so I ask what's best for the world, what's best for the people who donate to me and how do I use their funds and so on, right? So if there's people that you can help on the other side of that, because of that, then it's worth doing. Yeah, and that's where it landed. Yeah. But yeah, no, I appreciate that. Yes. Are you practicing on your own or are you practicing? Yeah, I'm in the process. You know, prior practice. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna say it, because sometimes licensing or getting an experience when you're in a room is necessary in order to give yourself the freedom of moving on, because I work for some big corporations. I did like everything, but I learned how to work and I use all that later on from my own business and create my own brand and do what I want to do. Right. I don't answer anybody. Right, that's what I've done. It's just, there's a governing body, right? So it's the license. Yeah, but it does help the people I work with at the same time, so you may have to learn the language for 40 minutes, one day. No, and it's not submission to them. It's support of those you help on the other side. Right, because as men, I think women feel this way too. We don't like to submit to politically correct language. We don't like to bite our tongues. We don't like, that's not us, right? That's not why we have a civilization. And in a sense, you can say, they've made it ridiculously easy to walk through that room because you know exactly what to say. So it's like, okay. You know, it's like for me, I don't like taxation, so I just have to live like I'm not really good with my money, because I just, you know, I lose 40% or whatever, right? It's like, let's just pretend I have a gambling habit. Let's pretend I got a Coke habit or I'm into like really expensive hookers or something like that, right? So just pay them and then just live like they're not there, right? And so, you know, I write my check and move on, right? That's how it was great to have a patient trying to find somebody that was red-pilled. You know, like after they wrote, between the fact that me and they came out with that total anti-nail. Oh, yeah. Productions for all psychologists. I've had therapists throughout my different parts of my life in different shops tonight, and I've had a few terrible couples that are telling my marriage where there was no accountability allowed on the inside of the whole line. And I found something that would help me help the states away. It's been very helpful, but I can't get any insurance to pay for it. I can't get it to be deducted on my taxes because it's not technically a therapy because it's not the price of the license. You might actually give some men some hope. How many men are younger than me? It won't be anyone. You'll have to go through their insurance to get the cash. So that's what I'm saying. Yeah. I've been in Canada as well. Oh, yeah. And I've been able to continue around the man's groups and things like that. So it's been good. I have been able to reach people I wouldn't otherwise reach. And it's usually the ones that often are the most needed problems. You didn't have someone to get on their own. You have a certain level of freedom, especially in the socialized culture. You have to have what they don't want you to have, which is money. In some cases, it's carnation. I'm going to change the topic. So I've got a question for you. If you studied J.D. Unwin and, I think, Sir John Glob, they do a lot of historical analysis on empires and society and civilizations. The second I know, not the first. I think J.D. Unwin did on the sex and culture. It is actually a little bit more profound than the finished book, I'm telling you. But essentially, what the analysis says is that these empires tend towards destruction. We kind of basically die in our own excess. Victory has defeated you to globing. And that he, as a species, never got back from that. So my question is philosophy, I think, is very useful. It's just not from a society and culture perspective. But it is trying to come up with a good philosophy to help save Western civilization, like telling the fat person who's got stage four cancer, like, hey, stop putting down the hamburger, right? One, you need to go into major surgery. You need to remove the cancer cells. You need to overhaul everything. The other one is, I don't know what the parallel is if you will, first of all. No, it's a great question. And we can't stop the crisis. It's too late for that. We're talking about this at lunch. Every human being on this planet survives only because they're $30,000 per capita in debt. We've thrown this crazy life-accelerate of infinite debt into the human world. And we have a massive population because of debt. And this is incredibly cruel, because it's unsustainable. So when the money runs out, when the money printing runs out, when the interest rates end up having to go up, when the checks can't be sent, when the, like, eventually, you can do a whole bunch of tricks. You know, I said, Hemingway, ask some rich guy, or there's some story involving Hemingway. Some guy who was super rich ended up bankrupt. And he said, how did you go bankrupt? He was so wealthy, he said, really, really slowly. And then, really fast, because it does. You can juggle shit forever, right? Well, not forever, but you can keep the plate spinning for a long time, and then, boom, like Rome, right? I mean, they kept it going for hundreds of years, debasing the currency, mass immigration, giant welfare estate. I feel like there's a lesson or two there, but eventually, they couldn't jam any more garbage into their coins. They couldn't debase the currency anymore. They couldn't tax anyone anymore, because all the young men were moving out of the cities, because they didn't want to be drafted. So then, they had a whole bunch of mercenaries. They didn't have any coin to pay them, or the mercenaries wouldn't take their coin because it was trash. And they just came to Rome and sacked it. Rome went from a population of a million, two million to 17,000 in one year. And then, you got dark ages, so-called dark ages, largely to do with Muslim predation upon Europe, but that's a topic for another time. So, it happens. It absolutely happens. That which mathematically cannot continue will not continue. And it's too late. There's no soft landing. Certainly, Trump was an attempt to get people from the receiving end of taxes to the paying end of taxes. That was the goal. And that's been significantly successful. Black unemployment, Hispanic unemployment, employment record lows, millions of people off food stamps, millions of people off welfare, to paying taxes, which is what the Democrats hate. Because of course, if you're paying taxes, you want taxes to go down. If you're receiving taxes, you're fine with them going up because you don't pay them. It's good for you. Half of Canadians don't pay any federal taxes. Half of Americans don't either. Yeah, same, same, same. Half of people, it's not the whole story, but half of people live enough for the other half of people. So, the whole point of Trump was to herd people from the takers to the makers. Because that's right, but the problem is they just keep importing more takers. Open borders, mass migration, just keep importing more takers. Immigrants in America, 74% of them are on welfare. So, you'd no point bailing out a boat if there's like waves crashing down on the other side. I mean, I guess it helps a little bit. So, Trump, unless he does something wild with his second term, right? Because he might say, hey man, first term dress rehearsal, second term, alligators, flame pits and mines along the border and mass deportations and like, who knows, right? This could be like extreme sports down south or with Princess Sark head up north. Maybe he'll do it both sides of the aisle, but. So, but I think it's in general, it's sorry. Yeah, yeah, might be the case, I'll tunnel. But, so I think the soft landing, Trump was the hope for the soft landing, the hope for the soft landing is, I mean, Brexit was another hope for soft landing that Brexit could be used. Sounds like I'm describing a woman, it's just that's England with borders. England, a woman these days would be like this. Anyway, so the soft landing thing is a goal, but it's who knows, right? But, so the purpose of philosophy is in this case is not to prevent the crash, which I don't think it can't do, it can't do, it's just been too many unfunded liabilities, too big, right? But what it can do and what matters is it doesn't, I mean, if you're gonna crash, it really matters which way you bounce, right? That's where philosophy matters, right? So you crash, right? The totalitarians love to explode a crisis because everyone's panicked and freaked out and looks for the strong man or the strong woman or whatever strong man, let's face it. And if you bounce towards totalitarianism, right? Which is what happened, why am I a republic and so on? Or what happened with the Tsarist in Russia and what happened at the Khmer Rouge and in China and so on, right? You bounce to totalitarianism, you get 100 million dead, well, more now because like it's the whole world. But if you bounce to freedom, if you bounce to smaller government, if you bounce to free markets, because it matters what you think caused it, right? So if people say, well, free markets have failed, so we have to bounce towards price controls, government controls, fascism, communism, government control of the economy, then you go Venezuela, right? And then you go Khmer Rouge, sorry? They're winning that dialogue now by having all these crazy Democrats running. They're just trying to make you used to it. Well, I don't know that they're winning because the crazy Democrats running, I think is helping. Yeah, I don't think they're winning election, but I think there was often people telling us so the next one and the next one. Now, all they're hoping to do, look, they don't care about the election because all they're hoping to do is keep the demographic replacement going to the point where no Republican can ever be elected again. Right, that's the goal, right? That's just all they need to do is they're winning with the demographic stuff is happening, right? I mean, 70% of Hispanics are gonna vote for the left. Black communities gonna vote for the left or they're getting all of those people and Muslims vote heavily left. So again, all the people come in to vote for the left. And so, but I think that people are freaked out by these crazy Democrats. And they're like, holy shit, this is what we have in our society? Oh my God. You know, if there's, you know, that terrifying meme that keeps you up at night sometimes, like if you only knew how bad things really were. Like we had, the Democrats had kind of like a cover, right? Like, I mean, so Joe Biden is like this doddering corrupt oligarch who like, you know, rates Ukraine for fun and profit, right? But he's like presentable-ish, right? Obama, very smooth, charismatic, presentable guy and all that. But I mean, this new crop, I mean, straight up nuts. That's straight up, like screaming nuts, right? And, you know, like AOC with her 94 billion. So I can't even say without loving 94 billion dollar, Green New Deal and a trillion, 94 trillion dollars, right? I mean, the American economy is only $15 trillion. I mean, come on, I mean, this is, it's lunatic, but at least she's dispelling the notion that women are bad at math. Or Andrew, there's another, right? Andrew Young, oh, Asians are really great at math. It's like a thousand bucks a month, come on. So I think it may help that way. So it matters which way we bounce. You know, if you diagnose wrong, things get worse. If you diagnose right, things get better, right? And so, you know, if you've got some beloved uncle who dies of lung cancer and then people believe that if only he'd smoked more, everything would be fine. Well, you can't prevent him from dying, but you can prevent the message from spreading, right? So if people say, well, no, it was a smoke and they killed him, so let's not smoke, it's the lack of freedoms that are killing us, right? So government control of everything, a third of Americans need a license to even have a damn job, it's crazy, right? I mean, massive amounts of student debt and, well, I mean, Trump has been repealing a lot of regulations too and that's kind of soft benefit that's hard to track but is incredible in its effects on the economy, right? So it matters which way we bounce. And if you talk about, repeatedly talk about, it's compulsion that has failed, not freedom. It's coercion that has failed, not markets, right? It's the lash that has failed, not the liberties. And it's the further that America has drifted from its founding principles of small government and free markets, that is the cause of the failure. Because if they diagnose it wrong, you just add bodies. And if you diagnose it right, you can save everything. That pattern has been repeated throughout history over and over and over again. Like, how many hundred million people will need to die before we figure that out? Not even anybody that knows that. The one in the other is America, most of America's on it. It goes on and on and on and on. Hold up, hold up. I had to go to eBay and find a used copy of JD Unlin's on Sex and Culture, where he talks about that, because we can't find it on Amazon, we can't find it anywhere else. Like a lot of this stuff, like, you know, from back, if it's down on Amazon, it's probably just one thing, right? So spoiler alert. But like, that's to your point, both of your points really, the information's out there, but if you don't know how to find it, it's essentially gone. Well, and the media, because it's so heavily infested with leftists, the media has created this infinite boogeyman of incipient Nazism, right? The Nazis are everywhere, right? It's nothing, it's like maybe 2,000 genuine Nazis in America, right? And that they're, you know, buck-toothed neckbeards in the middle of nowhere, right? But they're trotted out, right? Oh, right? See, there are tens of thousands of Marxists teaching in American universities, right? Which tells you who won the fucking Cold War. Or who won the Second World War, frankly. Wasn't America. It was Russia. And the fact that they focus on irrelevant Nazis rather than the prevalent Marxists who are indoctrinating the young and lying to the young about the value of this education and putting the young into debt and blah, blah, blah, right? The young people come out hating capitalism, hating bosses, heavily in debt and feeling like indentured servitudes, indentured serfs, which they kind of are. So then, and when I was hiring people, like back when I ran a software company, I was chief technical officer, I hired people all the time, you could tell the leftists, because they came in and they were like, I guess I could be a wage slave for a little while. You know, whatever, you know, but it's the attitude, right? No, it's the attitude, you know? Like, they just, they didn't like being there. It's like, you know, it's like taking a seven-year-old kid to the dentist, right? They'll go, but, you know, they don't want to be there. You know, they would like to get out as quickly as possible and hopefully there's a chest of toys on the way out, right? So you could tell with the people who were like free market guys, they were like, man, I want to come in, I want to get my skills up, I want to be mentored, and I had these guys who would come with me on sales tours and so on and learn how to talk to clients and negotiate contracts, they loved that stuff, right? Whereas the socialists were like, I shouldn't have to do any of this. Like, socialist unicorns should be shitting my manner from the skies. I should just have to do this for all the food I need, right? Because it's not in reality. So the kids come out of school and because they're shitty employees, they get shitty managers because good managers don't want to work for shitty employees, right? Because everyone's like, oh, my first boss was terrible. Well, of course he was terrible because the good bosses get moved up to more complicated things, right? So, yeah, they end up with this resentment. They never break out of it. And then they say, well, you can't get ahead in the free market. It's like, well, because you hate it, you know? It's like, I hate redheaded people. You know, redheaded people never seem to like me. What's that old saying? Like, if you meet an asshole in the morning, you probably just met an asshole in the morning. But if you meet assholes all day, it's you. You're the asshole. Yeah, go ahead. You mentioned the Biomar Republic. Do you kind of see any parallels about the way things are right now? Just anything goes and blah, blah, blah. And the Fed is just printing money like crazy. Yeah, so that's, yeah. That's a complicated topic. So, Europe, European history, arose out of scarcity and cold. And this is even more true for East Asian history, like what used to be called the Orientals until they wanted to blend Indians in and Muslims in with it. So, in Siberia, for instance, like the Winters are unbelievably brutal, which is where the Japanese and the Chinese came from, right? The whites had to deal with Northern Europe and so on, and Western Europe. Again, very, very cold. So you got to plan ahead, right? Scarcity is a huge issue. And so, basically, the people who didn't plan ahead didn't make it, right? Because you got to be pretty cold-hearted when you've only got enough food for your own family and it's four months till spring and your neighbor comes over and says, man, my kids are hungry and you're like, I'm sorry, man. I got a lot of compassion, but, you know, if I got to choose between your kids and my kids, like, sorry, it's just the way it is, right? So, we grew up, and it's sorry to include the we, like, you know, we're all white Europeans or whatever, but in general, the white Europeans grew up with the scarcity problem, right? And so, hoarding resources, not getting into debt and not spending and all of that. It's kind of like the Protestant work ethic, this kind of stuff, right? Now, in the tropics, it's a very different matter, right? In the tropics, there are two things that you can't do a huge amount about, right? So the first is disease, right? Because in cold climates, right? The viruses all die off in the winter and you don't have as many viruses. But in the tropics, you don't, right? But you can't do anything about it, right? Now you can, but, you know, back in sort of evolutionary days, you couldn't, and then there's like war and predation, which you can't do a huge amount about. Winter, you can do something about, right? You can stock and plan and build your, get your firewood and your house and all that. So, we have a culture based on scarcity combined with a monetary system based on infinite resources, right? Debt, money printing, money creation. Now, that's weird because our culture is, we gotta be careful because we're gonna run out of shit. But we've got this tax and spend and create money stuff that creates a sense of weird, infinite tropical abundance in a scarcity culture. And it's weird and it's unhealthy for everyone in the long run because nothing's infinite, everything is limited, all resources are finite, all human desires are infinite, but all resources are finite. So when you get fiat currency, when you get money printing, it begins to dissolve our sense of reality. Like, and this sounds like very abstract, but it's very real because you see, after money printing came in, right? It was basically the First World War, that's why I said earlier, it was a huge disaster. The First World War brought money printing and central banking and fiat currency into the West, right? Before that, you had to have gold to have money and you can't just snap gold into existence. You gotta go mine for that shit, right? So you get all of this infinite money and then after that, you start to get this, hey man, reality isn't real, the logic is just a white privilege concept and there's no such thing as truth and it's like, but you can only afford that stuff when you can print money because then you have this sense of infinite resources and then the weird thing happens. So let's say we're in some, I don't know, some tropical paradise, I don't know where some tropical paradise is, not as lonely as Hawaii, just like a woody, nothing for thousands of miles, right? So I don't know, Tahiti or something like that. I see it in Tahiti, right? Tahiti is like food's falling off the trees, fish are jumping into your nats and stuff like that, right? So let's say you and I are friends, right? And you hurt your leg, right? And you're like, hey man, I can't fish, can you go get me some fish, right? I could just go pick me up that banana and I say, no. It's like worst friend ever, right? So because it's like, it's right here, it's right here. So if I don't give you something when you're in need and everything's plentiful, I'm an asshole, right? But that's not how it is in a cold climate, right? As we talked before, if you come and you say, hey, I grasshopper my summer away playing Van Morrison songs on my ukulele, right? While you were out there, you know, busting your ass, getting crops in firewood and shit, right? And you come to me and say, give me food out of your children's mouths. I'm like, then I mean to my children if I say yes to you. So tropicality, like the abundance of resources, if you say no to someone, you're an asshole. But in a scarcity culture, in a cold winter culture, you have to say no to people. So when you've got fear of currency and magic money, and someone comes and says, well, you know, I think we should spend money on the poor children, right? Well, that's like bananas lying everywhere. There's a child hungry. Can you just hand that child a banana? No, right? Well, the only reason you do that is you hate the child, right? Or you want the child to die, you're a psycho, you're mean, or something like that, right? So the massive spigot of fake money is dissolving our sense of reality, and it's turning everything into an emotional argument. Well, why would you say no? Why wouldn't you want to give healthcare to everyone for free? They're bananas everywhere. Maybe you can put some, you need medicine up your ass, you can use a banana, right? But for the most part, it's not gonna be hugely helpful, right? So when scarcity culture catches up with the illusion of infinite money, right, but right now, free healthcare for everyone, and you say no, well, because there's this weird perception that resources are infinite, why would you say no? You must hate poor people, or you must hate sick people, or whatever, right? Why would you leave Syria? What do you mean? Why would you leave Syria? Because the Kurds are our greatest ethnocrats. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I thought you meant personally. Like, why would you leave Syria? We're in Orlando. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so human, yeah. Resources are infinite, so why wouldn't you want to fight every sand cake, local tribal conflict in the middle of a desert everywhere? Resources are infinite. Can I ask one more question? Yeah, yeah. So having served, right? It's very easy, in my opinion, for people to say, hey, yeah, we should stay in Syria. Yeah, like, fuck it, let's just go here, and I'm like, I gotta go there. Like, are we doing this for real, right? So the other thing, too, I've noticed that extrapolates in this kind of get-a-banana thing. So say his legs broke in, he asked, hey, can you give me a banana? Hey, sure, point to me, get the fucking banana. Now you feel like a good person, but I'm the one doing the work. I think that's another- We have a title, we have a title for the conversation. Get the fucking banana. No, okay, so, and that's look, that's very serious shit for you, right? Now the other thing, which is kind of real, too, is, oh, do you want people to stay in Syria? Okay, you need to write a check, right? Because it doesn't cost anyone to have these opinions as free, right? Have you seen this video? It's really wild, I think it's in Sweden. So a guy comes up on the street, to Swedish people, white people, and says, do you think that we should be taking more refugees? Yes, of course, I'm a good person. I have virtue signal, it costs me nothing, right? So then what does he say? He says, oh, great, just wait here, Muhammad. Come here, this person is gonna be happy to put you up in their home. Because, and then what happens? See, no, but that's infinite resources versus scarcity culture, right? The infinite resources is sure, in the abstract, when I, it's like the war on drugs, right? You want drugs to be banned? Oh, it's gonna cost you this much. Ooh, maybe I can be tolerant, right? Oh, whatever, right? So the Weimar thing, there's lots of philosophical ramifications, but if you stick to recent evidence and scarcity when people's perceptions are that everything is infinite, you're viewed as a jerk and an asshole. Why would you say no to free healthcare for everyone? Well, we know that, but it seems free. No, because listen, they're gonna sign that bill, amnesty or free healthcare, and no one's gonna get a bill immediately, right? It's gonna be debt, it's gonna be down the road, the next generation, who knows, or maybe the tax is gonna go up, or maybe someone loses their job, like the Obamacare thing, right? You gotta provide all this healthcare to people unless they work 30 hours a week. Okay, we'll just make everyone part-time, right? It's easy, right? So then people go from full-time down to part-time, but they don't connect that, right? This is the whole problem of the scene versus the unseen, right? Taxes go way up, and maybe you would have gotten a job if they hadn't gone up, but because that job never gets created, you'd even know what you're missing, right? So that's why you gotta go on principle. So the Weimar thing where, you know, black is white, up is down, men are boys, boys are girls, women can have erections, and men can have babies and all that, like all of this is founded upon fiat currency, right? So as far as transgender bathrooms go, people can put in transgender bathrooms if they wanna spend $50,000 to retrofit their restaurant. But if you're not signing the check, it's just easy, like, to me, when somebody doesn't have a personal stake, I don't care what they say. I don't, like, it's just noise to me. Like, okay, like you, you can have an opinion on Syria, listen to your opinion on Syria, right? But people who are just like, yeah, we should stay there because, like, they don't know what the hell's going on with the Kurds, come on, I don't. You know, like, they could be decent guys, they could be bad guys, I don't know. And the good news is, I'll never know, because nobody's gonna tell me the truth, because everyone's too vested in it, right? The military-industrial complex wants to make money, maybe Israel wants to take out an enemy, maybe the Turks are bribing someone, or maybe they're threatening to unleash their wonderful economic migrants on Europe if they don't get, like, nobody's telling the truth about any of this stuff. It's all propaganda, I'm not there, I don't speak the language, I don't know the history, and I don't care to learn. So that's why you haven't seen a whole bunch of videos from me on Syria. Like, I just assume everyone's lying. So the Weimar thing is kind of, and you see the effects of infinite resources on the corruption of rationality and limitation. Sorry, you were first. The perfect example of that, I once worked for the largest government agency in my state that provides healthcare to the poor. So my job actually ended on the largest debt court and all that. But yet, there was another attorney that I worked with, who were both supervisors, who were in charge of people, and one day she was in pipes up out of nowhere, it's like, I think all the kids in the state should have Medicaid. And at that point, at great risk in my job, I said, okay, so exactly what tax rate are you willing to pay to make that happen? You've got four kids, I know you've got four kids. How much food are you willing to take out of their mouths to make that happen? And then I got just spluttering nonsense in response, which is the only response because the whole underlying principle is nonsense. And do you know what the subtext was or the captions? Get the fucking banana. No, and that's real, right? I mean, so she can say that like, who would say no because she's got the mindset of infinite resources, right? And listen, I mean, for, it's magical thinking and listen, for the evolution of women, that kind of makes sense, right? Because they're not out there wrestling with the wolves to rip off its leg to bring home for dinner, right? I mean, they're doing some gardening, which is nice, you know, we need some veggies, need some fruit and all that, and you know, but they're not out there trying to take down an elephant with a mascara applicer or whatever, right? So, no, that's fine. So the women are like, hey, just get me more resources, right? And then they withhold sex or they nag or whatever it's basically like the young women withhold sex and then the older women nag, that's the difference between, right? That's, you know, and this kind of like it's, so one is a positive reinforcement, you get sex and the other is I'll start nagging you if you do what I want. Now, my wife accepted, lots of women accepted, but that's a bit of a pattern. Lots of children will. Yeah, yeah, so children will whine and nag until they get what they want. And listen, women are smaller, they're weaker. I think that that's implicit, like we don't need to add that. I don't think anyone made that connection. And the fact that you did, well, we'll talk after. No, but this is why women tend to go a little bit more left because they're used to just saying what they want and men run around to give it to them, right? Because we wanna reproduce and we wanna have, you know, comfort and sex and companionship and all of that. So for women to say, I want and then expect the world to provide, I mean, I completely understand it, I don't consider it a fault. One thing I didn't talk about in my speech today is I know that there's negative views of women can kind of float through the nanosphere here a little bit, not here necessarily, but there is that stuff. I'm not just talking about the big-tower guys, all right? But to me, the way to look at femininity in the modern world is to understand it's not femininity in the same way that in the Soviet Union, like full-on Soviet Union, like Stalin, not even Khrushchev, like Stalin, early 1950s or whatever, right? There's some factory out there supposed to be making some shit, right? And you know the old saying in Russia, they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work, right? So there's no incentive, right? The incentives are completely screwed up, right? Like if you run a restaurant under Stalin, you get paid where the customers show up or not. So customers earn annoyance, seriously. Like you're sitting there playing cards with your fellow waiters and some customer walks in and you're like, ah, shit. I had a good hand, man. I've heard this exact same stuff from my parents because they came from the former Soviet Union. Yeah, yeah, so do we look at the waiters in a communist restaurant and say, those lazy bastards, no. They're simply rationally responding to the incentives in their environment. Now women, current women did not create the system that we live under. They're not responsible for neither are we, right? So women, we say, oh, they're cold or unempathetic or they divorce on the, but that's like calling the Soviet workers lazy. They're not lazy. They're rationally responding to the cost and benefits incentives around them. Human beings respond to incentive, foundational principle of economics, right? So women are not cold or lazy or just rationally responding to the incentives around them. And you could say, ah, yes, but they should have higher ideals and it's like, but yeah, that's like saying what the waiters in a Soviet restaurant should just be working hard and providing good services. It's like, yeah, well, but they don't. And you know, would you, I mean, like if you're running a restaurant and it's your ass on the line and it's your credit that's running the damn thing if a customer comes in, you're like, thank you, thank you, thank you, right? I remember I got my first donation, I'm four-page ring mail, you know? So it's not that women are, like, it's not. It's like saying that the soul of the Russian and that this person is somehow in the communist environment. It's like, no, the environment is weird. The environment is coercive and destructive, right? Or it's like, if you've ever talked to your parents, maybe if you talk to people who come from totalitarian regimes, they're not very comfortable with disagreement. They're not very comfortable voicing their thoughts and ideas because they grow up in this mindset of like, you shut up because you say one thing wrong and you're a sultry and eaten into a gulag for 10 years, right? And it's like saying, you know, those people from Eastern Europe, they're kind of shy and jumpy. It's like, no, they're not. That's not the soul or essence of who they are. That's the environment they grew up in and the incentives that they're responding to. It's the same thing with women and men in the modern world. Yeah, it's gotten weird and distorted, but it's not the fault of women and they're not bad, they're not, like they're just responding to. I can't do it. I just can't go and call people in the common, oh, lazy. I mean, they drink at work. It's like, isn't it boring how it is? Yeah, work retail when it's not busy. Oh my God, I worked in a hardware store when I was in my teens and sometimes it was so slow like a customer would walk in and you just need to get swarmed. It's like, please God, let me cut a key for you or something because I'll make some pain even if you don't need it. I'll cut glass, whatever you need, Zorro style. Just anything because it's so boring and masculinity and femininity, it's just a weird system. The divorce laws are all weird. The alimony child support laws are all weird. It's all terrible and the rot of the cultural Marxists who set gender against gender just as they set race against race is in there and we gotta have compassion, I think, and sympathy. I sympathize with the workers in the Soviet Union back then. I mean, wouldn't you? They got nothing to strive for. They can't ever become wealthy. They're told what to do. They're told where to work. It's a horrible life. When you screw up the incentives for people, have sympathy for those people because they're getting all the wrong signals. There's an old Monty Python skit about some Hungarian phrase book where it's all screwed up, right? So in Hungarian it says, what is the way to the train station? And the way that they phonetically spell it out in English is please funtl my buttocks. And it's funny, right? It's funny, right? But that's where it is. We've got this weird translation right now. I have great sympathy for women. It's a horrible system that they're under where they're lied to, they're misdirected, they're pandered to, they're praised. And the true horrors of this sort of post-40 lonely life are explicitly hidden from them. So you get all the wrong incentives, all the wrong... And it's everywhere. We don't see it as much because we're out of that bubble, but in that bubble, that's like gravity. So, you know, have sympathy for the conditioned, you know, there but for the grace of whatever, go you and I, right? Sorry, another question, Kuala Lumpur. Yes? How do we sort of corrupt the education system? The education system is completely just everything we believe, and we can't overthrow it. But one of the things I've been thinking about, because I'm a lawyer, by background, is how do we essentially... Oh, I retract what I said about Joe Biden then, just for fun. How do we manipulate, for instance, the Title IX system in American colleges to turn it against itself? Because it's actually written in a gender in a sex-neutral way. So I mean, there's nothing stopping men from complaining that feminists create an unsafe learning environment. Well, it's like the drunk consent laws, or the drunk consent directives, right? That you cannot consent to sex if you're drunk, which applies equally to men, as it does to women. Well, do you ever see this? You're not a young, totally young guy, right? So do you ever see this? It's an old Matthew Broderick movie called Wargames. You ever see that? You guys seen that movie? All right. So basically the story is that the computers take over, sorry, it's an old movie. So the computers take over nuclear war, and then there's an accident where the computers start attacking each other, but they're simulating it to see it, and then they find out that you can't win that game because everyone gets destroyed. It's called mutually assured destruction, right? So basically when you get a welfare estate, you get too many unproductive people, too many people who can't function in a modern economy, and then what governments do is they say, oh, we've got too many people, well, we're gonna go to war, and we're gonna filter out the smart people, and we're gonna use the dumb people as cannon fodder, get them all killed, and we'll reset the system. That's the way it works, and that's why you get deferments for college, and that's why if you perform well on your armed services test, they're not gonna put you on the front lines, they're gonna put you in someplace nice and safe where you can do your thing without getting killed, right? Now, because of nuclear war, you can't have international wars where you can kill off your excess population, so that's why they're importing civil war in terms of migration, so that that's how it's gonna work. It's really tragic, but I guess that's what they call progress, this is no longer international wars, it's now civil wars that they're promoting, but so in that movie, there's a long roundabout way to your point, but in that movie, the big statement is about nuclear war, funny game, the only way to win is not to play, don't send your kids to college, unless they absolutely have to for some professional designation. I gotta be a lawyer, doctor, whatever. For God's sake, don't send them there for arts. Like, they are Marxist indoctrination camps, it will wreck your kids. Like, it is an environmental toxin, especially if they're white, and especially if they're male, because they will either speak their mind, in which case they're gonna get singled out for social destruction, or they'll shut the hell up, in which case they'll be humiliated for four years, and pay to do it. Don't do it. Or it will get successfully documented. We've got to help them, yeah, yeah, for sure. Then you've got a real mess, because then once your kids are, I mean, you've probably seen those things on the internet, like the girls before and after college. You know, it's like early Katy Perry versus that whatever white women can't be attractive shit, they got going on now. So yeah, don't do it. It's kind of talking about what you were talking about. I dropped out of college out of here. My dad's a professor. What were you taking? What was I taking? I was gonna do business, but I didn't see much point, because I just wanted to get into sales. I didn't see. Oh yeah, you don't, yeah, yeah. Just need experience for sales, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And my dad was actually a professor in college, political science, so he grew up going to college in the 60s and 70s. So he was really indoctrinated in the whole Marxist, egalitarian, those that was college then and still is now. So eventually I came to that and I ended up jumping out. Yeah. And I wanted a major philosophy actually, but it was rumored for me in college. Philosophy is really rough these days. It used to be pretty good. Like the terms of IQ, physics was the highest philosophy was second, but now philosophy has become anti-philosophy. In the same way gender studies is destroying the concept of gender, right? It's all completely inverted. Yeah, and kind of what you were talking about before, the rise and fall of nations, I think Will Durant said it best when he said, nations are born stoic and die epicurean. I feel like we're in a very epicurean time in the sense where we've gotten really comfortable. Only because of the state. The state is the key, the state. We can survive plenty if we don't have the state, because what happens with the state, you get excess resources, right? So when everyone's poor, everyone's poor, right? Like, I mean, the king of France lived in shit like the rest of them, right? He just had shit with wallpaper, right? And when you get excess wealth, you get a divergence, right? Some people become free market, some people become wealthy, some people don't for various reasons, some of which are controlled and some of which are beyond their control. So when you get that wealth disparity, the natural inclination is for people to say, well, that's bad, right? That's bad. But that's not bad. I mean, think of the music industry. You want the disparity of people who are successful musicians from people who aren't, because if you go to karaoke night, I like it, but it's not necessarily the case that everyone likes that I like it, right? So you want that disparity, right? In the modeling industry, you want that disparity. You want the pretty people modeling the clothes and the less pretty people not, right? So you want that disparity. That's what success is, right? There's disparity, right? When has it been anything other than that? Well, and the communism. Well, no, the communism, then you get political disparity, right? And political power. So what happens is if you don't have a state, then rich people end up having more kids and poor people end up having fewer kids. And we know this very clearly from the example of the Ashkenazi Jews in Europe. For 700 years, they can tell this from the lineage because one of the things that's amazing about Judaism is to be a rabbi, I mean, you gotta be pretty, you gotta have four languages, you gotta know the Torah, like it's really complicated stuff. And then they could see very clearly the smartest rabbis had the most babies and the poorest Jews had the fewest babies because no welfare state. There's charity, you don't want people to starve to death and all that, but what's happened with the state is it's inverted, right? So then you tax the smart people and you give welfare to the less smart people, on average, right? And there's lots of exceptions, but it's a big general trend. And so that's just genetics, right? Just genetics is, you, genetics is bad as a government program. Just genetics is bad as a government program, right? And so what happens is you end up with this vast excess of poor people, then you then have to keep paying them to have more babies because if you stop, they're gonna riot and revolt and they'll vote you down and all that kind of stuff, right? And this is the bull by the horns. Now in a free society, what am I ideal, a stateless society, you don't have that situation coming into being. People get wealthy and they can help people outcharitably. People won't starve, we know that because when taxes go down, charitable donations go up every single time throughout human history. We'd like to help people. We are a helping kind of species. But in a stateless society, you can survive that. But in the government, in order for people to believe that the government is providing value, it has to create money, you understand? It's like, if we're all ordering pizza, it's four of us, it's 20 bucks, right? And everyone has five bucks and one guy has a counterfeit, five bucks. Well, it seems like he's paying five bucks, isn't it? But he's not, right? He's actually reducing the value of everyone else's money, right? So the government, in order to pretend that it's providing value to society, needs to borrow, needs to print money, and therefore it needs to control interest rates so that the effect of its borrowing and printing don't show up as inflation. So the government has to take control of the money supply and create massive debt and unfunded liabilities to give the illusion that it's providing value to the economy. That's when people say, the government will pay for this, free Medicare, all this kind of stuff, right? Now, that process corrupts the money supply and causes there to be more poor people, right? You probably know this, that under Medicare, in a lot of instances, the health outcomes for people on Medicare is worse than people not on Medicare. Right, and a fair part of that is because Medicaid and state level Medicare at the federal level reverse the rates of our garbage. So doctors leave the system because who's gonna go get $300,000 of debt to come out and do a $2 million surgery and get 10 grand for it? Well, and that's the thing too, right? So this public choice theory is like, if there's one thing you wanna get across to people that's helping them understand this, that if you give money to poor, like as I say, you only have 2% poor people in your society. The old pictures, there's a guy in a cardboard shack and there's a big multi-rise building behind him. He goes, how could this be, right? Just take a little bit of money from these super rich people, just give it to these poor people. We're done, right? But it doesn't work like that because people's behavior changes when you change the incentives, right? So you got 2% poor people, you pay them to be poor, well, you're buying poor people, supply and demand, they'll be more poor people. Some woman says, oh, I've got a child, got a wedlock, I need money. Okay, give her the money, she solved her problem, then we will like, well, I don't need to get married. I could just have boyfriends and get money from the States and all that, right? So you change people's behavior when you change their incentives. So with free government healthcare, a lot of times health outcomes get worse because people are like, if I get diabetes, well, I just get my insulin shots. So it'll be taking, like, as opposed to, like if you've got health insurance and you start to become pre-diabetic, they're like, okay, your insurance premiums are gonna triple if you don't deal with this in the next six months. And people are like, oh, shit, right? So free stuff generally corrupts everything because there is no such thing as free. It corrupts our mentality as a whole. So, yes, sir? So at this time of, you know, we live in an inverted world and the platform is happening constantly. How do we preserve knowledge? Let's open that up, what do you guys think? By print books, hand them out. By print books, hand them out? That's right. Old school, right? By print books. Yeah, if we talk about a second dark age, what is this coming dark age? Intellectual dark age, yeah. Well, I mean, it's not gonna be the fall of Rome, right? I mean, we've got a lot of knowledge and we've got a lot of technology and we're not gonna lose the capacity to generate electricity. I mean, even if it's solar or wind or something like that. So it's not gonna be, I don't think it's gonna be as bad as like the fall of Rome where it was like massive depopulation and so on. But yeah, it's gonna be rough and not everyone's gonna make it across the canyon. But yeah, as far as how we preserve it, I don't have any particularly good answers because, I mean, print is certainly gonna work for sure. Anything electronic? It's hard to say, right? It depends on the prevalence of electricity. And that's kind of my area of expertise. Go for it. I'm trying to ask myself any more, but your technology won't last. Even on the right deal conditions, it's got a lifespan. Anything that has electricity going through it is inherently gonna be a little bit at risk for that. But print stuff will literally last thousands of years which is sort of the deathly schools. So that's why I say print books and hand them out. Because one, that's not traceable, right? Who I, yeah, they think, oh, I bought a shit ton of say, if you wrote a book or whatever, I know what you had. If I had X book, right? X book is being on Amazon now, right? But they don't know who I give that to, right? They have the books in the past. You email a PDF and that's right, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's on the list, but they don't know who I physically give it to. And at the last, it doesn't need batteries, it's not in products, there's no Android operating system glitch, things like that. Can't be hacked and changed remotely, yeah. The following would you like to plug your book? Which one? Yeah, so I've got a bunch of books, you should check them out. Except for one, they're all free. You can also get them on YouTube, you can get them on podcast. If you want to listen to them, I do the audiobook readings and they're really good, so. Yes? So, we all know what's going on. More than we knew 90 minutes ago. Is it really only 90? Oh, crap. You know, it gets depressing to have your eyes open, to look at all this stuff, to feel powerless like you're saying that I don't think you're really wrong, the train is so far down the tracks. What can we do? I hear you saying, you know, I hear people offering, you know, some glimmers of hope. Yeah, my answer to this is, look, we know what happens if we don't do anything. Right, we know what happens if we don't do anything. Because we are the ones who have to keep the flame. Like, we are the ones who know. We are, if I want to have a better phrase, the high priests of our historical achievements. So, we know what happens if we don't do anything. Now, do we know what happens if we do stuff? No. But it's got a chance. So, we have to talk. See, you never know. This is the funny thing, right? You never know. Like, you could take a handful of seeds and you could hurl them out of an airplane, right? Most of them are just gonna fall on a parking lot or like in a sewer or something. But that one could land on just the right spot with just the right light. You never know who you're going to inspire, who's gonna have incredible resources, incredible charisma, who knows, right? It could be some kid of a rich person. It could be someone who just has such astounding talent for communication that they're just gonna blow the world away, right? So, you never know. And it may not be someone you talk to directly. You may drop a seed, but someone they drop, you don't know who's out there who can do amazing stuff and can enlighten the world, right? I mean, I'm not putting myself in that specific category, but you know, like I, the drummer for Rush was a big fan of Vine Rand, a friend of mine like Rush, although I was more of a Pink Floyd guy myself because I came from a bad household. But, so, like I start reading that stuff. It moves me on to other stuff. I start with self-knowledge. I do therapy, like just one little, one little guy pounding skins on a concert hall, like inspires someone who inspires me and now I got 650 million views and downloads. You know, it's having an effect. Now, if I hadn't seen, here's the thing too, can you live with yourself if you don't do anything? Ah, it's tough, man. I get terrified. I look at, you know, the character assassination, cancer culture. Yeah, yeah, it's scary. It is scary. And I think, you know, should I, should I even bother fighting this fight or should I just fly into the radar and say everything's fucked? But here's the thing, right? What do your enemies want you to do? Just do the opposite. No, this is a big guidance thing, right? What do your enemies want you to do? Well, the enemies want you to shut up and refoll up, right? For sure. They're unopposed, right? So, like, when I pick topics, literally, it's like what will drive the leftists and the Marxists and the collectivists and the tyrants most crazy. Oh, you don't want to talk about race and IQ? That's the worst thing for you? Oh, boy, you know, that to me, so that's my navigation. Now, that's my gig, right, is to do that. And that's what I'm paid for by kind donors, right? So don't live under a bridge. But if your enemies want you to roll up and die intellectually, you can do it. Just know that you're serving them. So let me ask you this. Are you afraid? Do you second guess what you're doing? Yeah, listen, I mean, I was on vacation and I got an email from, I think it was Kevin Roos at the New York Times, right? Now, I'm old enough that the New York Times is not such a big deal now, but the paper of record, I kid's a big deal, right? And, you know, I've never had a fair interview from the mainstream media outside of Hong Kong and Poland, right? So when I got that email, I'm on vacation and I'm like, oh, well, that's not gonna be good, right? Now, I've been through enough of these that I know it's not catastrophic or anything like that, but I'm sitting there going, okay, well, he wants to have a conversation with me. So here's the problem. If I go and have a conversation with him, he's gonna cherry pick, he's gonna stitch things together. And I don't know about him particularly, but a lot of times people will just lie about what I said, right, and you can't, I mean, in America, the free speech has gotten a little too far to the point where you just say anything about anyone, right? So, and I have to sort of sit and think of this over and I call some friends and I, oh, should I do it? Should I talk to them? Should I not? And I ended up doing like I did a show, specifically addressing those issues and, you know, I didn't even send in the link and all of that. Now, that's not something I wanna think about on my vacation, right? This is a complicated, it's a kind of complicated dance, right, and they're gonna write about you anyway. So you might as well have some say, but if you go to them directly, you know, he's a lot more experienced at interviewing people he wants to write badly about than I am being interviewed. It's like, Dio, I'm gonna go in and take on those cops because, you know, I'm smart. It's like, they've got a lot more experience than you do, right? So there are times for sure when I have been nervous and there are times when I've been scared, for sure. And I don't really know what to say other than it would be crazy not to be. And that's why we need the virtue of courage. Why do you need the virtue of discipline? Because you don't wanna do things sometimes, right? You don't wanna work out. You don't wanna eat well. You know, I was at the buffet today and I liked a face plan and a cheesecake and chewed my way through three floors, right? It'd be great, but I'm over 50, I can't eat here. Right, so. So you need the virtue of courage because sometimes you're scared, right? And it would be great, like the people who don't feel fear, they're not healthy, right? That is not a healthy thing to not feel fear as a human being, that's an indication of sociopathy or something like that, right? So you, of course, you're scared, right? I mean, isn't that the army thing, right? Feel the fear, do it anyway, right? If you don't feel the fear, you're not gonna last very long and if you surrender to the fear, you can't get anything done. So, I mean, the fear is gonna happen and you also have to taste the successes, right? You know, like you climb a mountain, like one step, one step, right? And each step is a victory if it's an asshole of a mountain like Everest or something, right? Each step is a victory. So here's the thing, we, I think, we set our victory standards so high that we're never happy. You know, for me, I could say, well, until no parent hits their kids and there's no fiat currency in the, okay, well, welcome to a life of like, never getting any satisfaction at all, right? Whereas for me, it's like, oh, I'm being suppressed, but I'm now gonna do these other things and I'm gonna see if I can keep things going. Okay, good, well, that's a big, sometimes dodging a bullet is the same as landing a hit, right? Because you live to fight another day, right? So have in your life, do you have one successful conversation with someone this week where they, that's a big victory. That's a big victory. Look at the patience of the people who decided to start infiltrating the institutions a hundred years ago. That's very patient people, man. They took, and for a long time, it's like, oh man, this is not going well. You know, capitalism's doing really well and that's why the communists hate the 50s so much because it was very successful for America, right? So we have to have that level of incrementalism, patience and happiness at what seemed like small victories, but if we're all out there having small victories, that's one hell of a big victory. So that's my thought on that. Anyone else? Last question or two? Yes, sir. I'm just gonna actually speak back to what he said about, you know, the feeling of powerlessness and what can't you do but the flip side of that coin and Herring Valley, the universe, all that. Well, what can you do? Like, for example, if you believe, as I'm sure most of us do, that a couple of hundred trillion dollars in unfunded liability is non-sustainable, I mean, go figure, right? Mathematics being a corner of the universe. So if you believe that, then what can you do to, for example, prepare yourself and your family for a time when fiat currency will do with nothing? Yeah, but you know, taking to its logical conclusion, you know, it is the mind of our republic. It's, we'll bear as a cash won't buy a load of bread. So, you know, whether it's obtaining knowledge and skills for yourself that will enable you to feed yourself. Have a community? Yeah, and then that goes sideways. Even if all you start with is yourself and your family, and then you do the work of making connections and networking and finding other like-minded people to your core and or close to where you live, it's again, it's the small victories, it's the incrementalism, but the blessing of knowledge is also the curse as he was saying, we do nothing at all with it because, you know, folks don't know anything. When the train crashes, when the tragedy happens, you know, they're gonna be like, wow, I never saw this coming. How are you gonna feel? How am I gonna feel? How are the rest of us gonna feel if we look at it and say, dang, I saw this coming, and I didn't do shit? And even if you don't think of anything about yourself, are you willing to allow the people you love, your family, your closest friends, to suffer and not even have to shop at some of this? There's, I mean, there's a dark thought that I have sometimes, which is that I strive to overcome pity. In other words, I tell people as much as humanly possible so if they don't listen, I don't have to feel bad. You don't know what I mean? Like, this is a serious thing. Like, if some guy's smoking like crazy and you say, you don't say anything, okay, he dies of cancer, you feel kind of bad, right? But if you spent like a long time saying, man, stop smoking, I'm begging you, here's a picture of some lung, you know, here's a picture of Bernie Sanders' conscience, it's the same thing, right? So, he's like, diseased. So, but if you've striven like crazy to help people and they've rejected and scorned and attacked, this is a bit of a Jesus thing, right? So, you know, not to put myself in billion miles of that category, but if you've done everything you can to really help people and they have, you know, kind of scorned you and sided with your enemies and so on, then like when disaster strikes, it's like, you know, I don't want to have regret. That's really, really important. Like, I've seen you, you know, the older people in this room, like we've seen people who have regret, right? Like significant regret, the one that got away, the job opportunity that was never pursued, the, you know, the divorce that happened because the guy or the woman didn't work on it and the loan, like we know people who have massive regrets and to live a life without regret is a very important thing. And if the shit hits the fan, which it will, if you've done everything you can to wake people up and they've refused to wake up, you know, at some point you got to jump out of the plane, even if people are going down, you know, and you got to, even if there are enough parachutes for everyone, you say the plane's going down, people want to sit in their seats and, you know, like you've got to get out. And if you've tried not having that regret, I think is really important because we're going to have to be cold hearted at some point because resources are going to run out. All right. Well, why don't you guys take a short break before the next one. Thank you so much. That was a really, really great afternoon. Thank you.