 تشرف بالاشتغالي بالعلم ولا تبغي به ما عشت يا دا دا دا لا وياله من شراف عظيمي الشخص الذي قمت بخصوصه وقمت بخصوص أهل الشورة ربا رضي الله عالو لم يقوموا بخصوص أهل الشورة Where is the intercession that you are talking about in the election? What conditions did they fulfill? The conditions of Ahlu al-Halli wal-Aqt which we spoke about But some of them they bring forward a story The story that they bring forward is When Umar رضي الله تعالى عنه died And the six are there And the six what would they do? The six were choosing whose names came up Two people's names came up To be elected or to be chosen as the leader right? Who is it? Othman and who? Othman and who? Ali So they bring a story That Abdulrahman Ibn A'ouf And this story half of the أبن حجر brings it in Fathumari And Imam Ibn Dhabi brings it in Islām Ibn Affir brings it in Islām Ibn Al-Jalil Al-Tabari brings it in Islām All of those they don't have this narrative That I'm going to mention now They bring the story of Abdulrahman Ibn A'ouf But they don't have this narrative And in this form that's put forward Pay attention They don't have this Their narration is different And what is the one that these individuals propagate? They say that Abdulrahman Ibn A'ouf He also even consulted the women And he consulted the people of Medina And every single person who he consulted They commanded him who? Othman So they say look Look That's election What's he doing? He took the voices of every single person And who? That's an argument Are you with me brothers? The story of Abdulrahman Ibn A'ouf Consulting women Wherever you find it You find it without a chain Ibn Kathir brings it in Kitab al-Bida'i When he sang it The fourth volume Paid 151 Right brothers? No chain So based on that We bring the following conclusion What's the most authentic book After the book of Allah? صحير البخاري Only mentions So the point number one Which is what? صحير البخاري Only mentions that Abdulrahman Ibn A'ouf Took the opinion of the six only That's what says صحير البخاري Are you with me? That's what says صحير البخاري Number two Point number two What we take from this is that There are narrations That If you bring those chains of narrations And Allah loves justice and fairness You قوي بعضها بعضا That strengthen one another There are The second one is There are narrations That if you do bring them together They strengthen one another That Abdulrahman Ibn A'ouf Consulted The noble people And I say again The noble people of Medina Are you with me? He has a response Don't worry Who did he consult? The noble people of Some of them will say There you go Exactly Allah Akbar At least you admitted that Also there's an answer to that Just give us a couple of minutes Point number three These are the conclusions that we take from it Point number three which is The story that says That Abdulrahman Ibn A'ouf Consulted women This as we said There's no chain for it And there's no ussal for it Are you with me? If you look in the books of the sunnah You will find it I'm not the one who said that Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymeh said that And many other scholars have said that So where did the scholars take it from? Like this issue When it seems like They took it from Ibn Ishaq Ibn Ishaq took it from Ibn Hisham So Ibn Ishaq Was the one who brought it And Ibn Hisham Took it from Ibn Ishaq And Ibn Kathir took it on And no one ever brought it with any chain There was no chain And anyone who knows Hadith knows The credibility of these individuals When it comes to Hadith other than Ibn Kathir Ibn Hisham and also Ibn Ishaq What were they like in terms of Hadith And what was their level Look at the books of Hadith Insha'Allah You will see what's been said about them And they don't give importance to chain They only just love to bring to you Events that took place But the books that gave emphasis to the Asanid and Riwayat You don't find that in it Are you with me? And I'm not shocked That some of these people Who bring this forward They have No portion In what In ألم الحدي Are you with me? Very good But you know what Let's entertain the idea Let's entertain what Let's entertain that narration Let's say it exists Let's say it's what Sorry How does that sound Who says it exists No It exists It's a Hadith Authentic Abdulrahman Ibn Awf And he opposed The path of who Abu Bakr Oman And Othman Are you with me? How did he oppose the Prophet The Messenger Didn't consult any woman When he appointed أقرأ أبنو حابس And He didn't consult any woman Neither did he consult his wives No did he consult any other woman And the story is in Sahih Al-Bukhari When the Prophet died The Sahabas we took Abu Bakr And Omer They did it So Abdulrahman Ibn Awf went against the path of who The Prophet and who The second answer would be Abdulrahman Ibn Awf Even if he Even if he did consult women He consulted based on the narrations If we bring them together أشراف The noble people So the interpretation would be The interpretation would be The noble women The righteous women But your election The prostitute She can elect So why are you trying to use a story That doesn't have for you any evidence No You see the permissibility of the Fajara The prostitute and the criminal Should be consulted He consulted the righteous ones That if we say that Then the wedding women is found somewhere So we now put this question forward Are you going to take the narration Which we said Tabarani narrated Which is صحيح And let's Bring the other That the women were part of the Are you with me Are you there Are you going to see Abdulrahman Ibn Awf The righteous people Based on the narration He did right When anybody say Abdulrahman Ibn Awf Then your argument is gone The election is not based on that If you say no He only elected He consulted He consulted He consulted the bad people right Your argument also drops Because the election chooses the righteous people as well Are you with me The third point is if you say both Abdulrahman Ibn Awf He consulted both of them They'll say the narration doesn't support you on that Does that make sense Suppose the narration that you're using Doesn't support you So we say But then some would say Abdulrahman Ibn Awf At least he consulted the people of Medina Was the خلافة Exclusive to Medina Iraq was in there What can Medina were in there What do you call it Yemen was in there What happened Why were they not consulted Is that what election is Election is every single Not only London is consulted But we also elect They all do right Is the election only happy from London Is that election We're talking about general election It doesn't fall according to your Definition of election then It's something that the widow Who just lost her husband she would laugh She would laugh on this statement of yours So the next شبهة that they bring forward Is known as They'll say to you In the Hedia It's an HD Related matter So we say to them What do you mean by HD Related matter What do you mean That it's an HD Related matter Expand it on to us The response they can give as follows One is that It's a new In issue It's a new issue hasn't happened before I wasn't known at the time of the And the response to this Is from two angles The response to this is from two angles Point number one is This actually nullifies what you've just Previously mentioned It nullifies the first شبهة which he brought That this was practiced by the early generation That And that And that And that And that's the reality of anyone Who opposes the truth He's always going to contradict himself The second response is that The second response is that Just because something didn't happen At the time of the self And it's a new issue It doesn't always Mean It's always left for HD Oh no no no And that the person who opposes Is not basically rebuked or Skulled لا انكار على المخالف The one who opposes you You know you don't actually rebuk him Or scold him for it Rather the scholars They revise every situation Independently And they take it back to And they examine it On the angle of If they resemble something If there are difference And then they place a ruling بحضور حرام Or whether it is واجب And we've just previously mentioned The mafasi that are in it Some of which being Giving a person The right to legislate On behalf of Allah سبحانه وتعالى And endorsing that person So that is enough To show you that it's حرام The second answer that they can give is what There's no texture evidence for it When we say When we say What we're trying to say is There's no texture evidence for it The previous answers that we gave Is enough for it The third is that We agree that's حرام And we see The prohibition of it But we believe The reason why we're entering into it Is because It will fulfill The benefit That will come from it And those benefit Cannot be attained Unless we enter into it Or unless we do the elections Whereas you You as Salafis You guys see it as مكسنة In entering it فهي اجتهاد سجتهاد In other words We differ on تحقيق الملاط Which is what Is what's going to come out Of it And then after that We differ on the application Of it Placing the ruling And then the application on the reality That we're living in So that's what we mean by The way that people look at it And observe it, it differs فلا ينكروا على احد So don't scold a person on this The response for this is what If we would ever have surrendered This argument If we would have accepted this from you It would have been 60 years ago 60 years ago When this idea was put forward The democracy systems would vote To the muslim countries When muslims were electing in this country And they were choosing experiences Taught us enough We've seen that the mafia are more Living in كوكولد You want Half a century's Experience Just approximately half a century Experience That we acquired That we gained You want us to what Forget it Toss it over our shoulders And the messenger Said Why Because he learned from me yesterday Can you get bitter from that same Every day If you get bitter from the same Every day Something's wrong with you If you say That it is That masala which is The next When we ask you What do you mean by The next thing you could say Is It's a dispute amongst the scholars The scholars differ amongst themselves This issue And it is not a matter of consent So they say it's a masala Meaning It's a dispute amongst the علماء And there's no consent There's no consent Now I want to say my beloved brothers and sisters The قاعدة which I want everybody To memorize which is ليس كل خلاف Not every خلاف That comes Is given consideration إلا ما كان له حظ من النظري Except A خلاف that deserves to be looked at There are some issues Which had خلاف in it And the sahabas were very staunch on it قبل عباس ربي الله وإتعال عنه The issue of what حجتمته They asked him He gave a verdict They said I ask you today Is anyone greater than أبو بكر أمر today Yeah No Is there any scholar greater than أبو بكر أمر إبلا عباس Did not accept أبو بكر أمر Why do you accuse him Why does he want to Because he has a delir He has a lust in front of him He got a textual evidence in front of him He said to them أقول لكم قال الله وقال رسوله I am saying to Allah He's messenger said واتقول لي قال أبو بكر أمر And you're gonna now come And tell me أبو بكر أمر said You know what I I fear he said أخشى I fear أن تنزل عليكم That it sent onto you حجارة من النار Stoad from the hellfire On your heads Each one's head And destroys you Like ورسل عليهم طيرا أبا بيل ترميهم بحجارة Each rock had a name of the person who's gonna hit I'm scared that's gonna happen to you guys And that Destruction he's talking about مسألة فقية And you were promised جنة Some people The way they speak Is driving Dawas Salafiyah back In the sense where It's taking people to become like Sufis So what were we Refuting and what The years of effort that we were putting In telling the people of the hellum adhab Who were Blind follow of the madhab إذا قالت حذامي فصدقوها فإن القول لما قالت حذامي A man said أنا رجلون I'm a man from the people of Gusei I think he said إن غوة غويتو وإن ترشد أرشد Because this guy I'm scared of them To become guided I'm guided with them I'm a man of my people Some people they stay That's what they want from you Huh And that's what they want from me And I advise you to look at it He talks about this issue of When a scholar goes against The textual evidences And goes against the delil How I believe I should Deal with this particular issue Knowing the status and the rank Of these أرلماء These جهابين that are in Nuqat Knowing that they are between Either two reward or one reward Either way he's going to go home with reward رحمه الله جميعا And not trying to put it with them Let alone do takfir on them Like some جهل غوغاء Ignorant people Who can't even read Fatiha Doing takfir of Ibn-Ubaz Ibn-Urthaymeen and Al-Albani أتهجوه ولست له بكفن فشر ركما لخير ركما الفداء You're not even like his nails But what we say is Even then I need to follow the textual evidence والتبعو مأوزي ليليك من ربكم ولا تتبعو من دوني أولياء قليلا ما تذكرون Little are the ones who actually ponder on that And little are the ones who actually see that Not everybody realizes that And it's one of the ways that Shaytan whispers to the people He brings to you the status of a person And makes you go against the delil These same أرلماء Are the ones who taught us اتبعو الدليل Following the delil They're the ones we learned it from After Allah تبارك وتعالى They're the ones who You don't open a book of theirs Except when they say something They give you the delil for it One of the things I read from Shaytan Al-Bani's life was what On his deathbed Before he died Some of his students They disagreed with him On a position he took I don't remember Was it a grading of a hadith Or was it based on a فتوى فق إشو It was something and they disagreed with him And he was happy That they did this He was happy that he left behind students You عضمون النصص Who honor the textual evidence So he made him happy And he said words of بليزم That he was pleased with their position That they saw the evidence That it was not That they saw the evidence And they took it on board And he saw the people of Egypt Blind following Excessively Fanatic Towards Imam Ali And Imam Shafi'a wrote a book A refutation of Imam Ali The mistakes that Imam Ali did Who is Imam Ali شيخو His teacher That he took knowledge from And that he what So the person has to know That The delil should be given importance to Why Is because As some of the students used to say زلت العالم زلت العالم The slip of a scholar Is the slip of the universe The world When the scholar slips And does a mistake Whoa The world goes with him So the person should be التحري على التبع الحق You have to strive hard In wanting to follow the truth Or else you're going to turn your religions Of the Christians and that They go to the priest They tell him they confessed to him Do you think it reached this point Except بتدرج It reached that level When they stopped Honoring and respecting the textual evidence And yes my beloved brothers and sisters There are people They have no rights To look at the textual evidence But I am not going to rebuke them For bringing me an evidence For a person who brings you a delil To say who are you to bring me the delil I would never say that And no one can say that And a حم قن وجنون Same withinness But what you say to them is جزاك الله For bringing delil and honoring the Kitab and the sunnah And seeing that this is a proof for you We honor you for that And who are a praiseworthy person But who understood it like this And how was the evidence taken out of this Like this