 My question goes to His Excellency Mr. Edgachagualungu. Your Excellency, in the seven years that you ruled Zambia, your party accrued huge debts and with current information from the ruling party, the current economic mess is as a result of the huge debt. Given a chance, had you continued to rule Zambia, how differently were you going to effectively deal with the current debt? What is the current government failing to do as far as the debt restructuring is concerned? Thank you so much. I thought we had be restricted ourselves. I heard that was mentioned in the statement. That is why I asked. Thank you. I heard my name mentioned but the context in which it was mentioned does not seem to dovetail into what we are discussing. But let me tell you that this technique of referring to the past won't take us anywhere. We gave up power in 2021 and the new government is in place. And we look at what the new government is doing and because they are failing lamentably. That's why we are here. So had we been in power, would have asked me that question. Because a certain guy came, oh President HH came to fix it. He came to fix it and he's not fixing it and that's why we are worried. So people were in charge. Then he would have asked me that question. But that question is conjecture, speculation and so on. I'm not in charge. None of these colleagues is in charge. The man in charge is in said house and you go and ask him what has gone wrong with the debt restructuring and all those things. We are saying, we are saying, on behalf of the Silent Zambianism, we are fed up. And we are saying guys let's take through this and find a solution. If you care to listen to what I said on 20th October when I was remembering my president Mr. Sata, I say the democracy has diminished. The democratic space is diminishing. PF is in ruins and I need to come back to PF and help get back PF on its feet. And my client calls, guys let's work together. That's why we are here. So we are here to work at the economy, democracy and all those things which Zambians are complaining about. And if you read through the statement, we are saying let's come together, put our heads together. All of us as Zambians in a movement kind of, we are civil society, labor leaders, clergymen, traditional leaders, politicians, come together and brainstorm and say this is where we want to go and this is how we will go. I would like to believe that from this position where we are, the politicians will think together, come together and have a people's alliance and take on the one man dictatorship we are seeing in the UK. Thank you very much. This gentleman is still interested in where I'm standing. And I hope he finds lead because there are many who are sleepless about that question. But let me answer it. You see, the will of the people should be reflected. That's why we are fighting for democracy. And I cannot impose myself on the people. But if the people impose me on the ballot paper, who am I to say no? That's how it works. I am in PF and I came back in PF to make sure that there is order in PF, there is democracy in PF. And I promise that the PF will be put on the rails again. And that's what I am doing. And I hope that as we go, probably we'll find a leader in PF. And if people say continue, kukon kanyapo. And that's a servant. But if they say no step down, I think let's go for the conference and choose a new leader. I'll go. And I'll support one of them, whoever we meet, we'll meet. But what I said was that Bada is bigger than PF. Zanda is bigger than Ed Galungu. And in my cry on 28 October 2020, I said all political parties in opposition, every single doubt names. I said let's work together. And this is where we are now. We are back on the drawing board. And the drawing board is going to start from today going on. We're admitting these colleagues who are in the opposition. Haritana Mada Katika. And a few other people. But lately we had a meeting which brought all of us together. And we said let's go out there. And you're worried about the absence of some of our colleagues. They are coming. If the issues will resolve them, we'll discuss. So don't worry about names. Don't worry about names. Anyone of us can imagine leader and will give him the support. And that's exactly what it will be. This is just a movement of black minds. Labour leaders I said. Church leaders. Traditional leaders. Healers. And all those people. It's come together. Union with the students and everyone. Let's talk about the suffering of the Zanjian people. And once we talk about that we will begin now crystallizing into our various political parties. And then from there we say how do we form an alliance. So from this people's movement who have a people's alliance. We will scheme how it will contest in the election in 2026. Whether it's like he... We have seen examples from Kenya. Whether it's like we saw in Zambia. We had the UPND alliance. We will come out with that. And from there, a leader we made. And we will put him on the ballot paper. So don't worry about it Gelu. We just an individual boy. Transparency International Zambia yesterday launched the 2023 corruption perception index. That showed Zambia having improved on its scope. And the government says that the reason for why we've improved on the corruption fight is because of some of the interventions the government put up. One of them is the formation of the Economic Financial Crimes Court. I'd like to find a plot to support the fight against corruption. Thank you. First of all, I would like to appreciate the experience. I know the experience is here. The future of the Zambian people. I'm Joseph Chibato. I'm Joseph Chibato. I'm Joseph Chibato. The future of the Zambian people. Let us not be about the bush. All you are the politician here. The future of the Zambian people lies in your hands. You are the leaders of this country. One person cannot scare you. The movement today is against corruption. Let us not be about the bush. Let us not be about the bush. Let us not be about the bush. And secondly, I'm Joseph Chibato. I'm Joseph Chibato. So our program was fixed when the guys took over power. So you cannot ask me what we should be doing now in the fight against Korela, when the civil service has good documents of how we fought Korela and how it was under control, how we internet eliminated by 2025 and so on. So I think let's avoid this idea of trying to compare our regime with what is on the table now. What we have is a dictatorial government of one man dictator where no one says a word and the man gets out with everything, including the judiciary, the legislature, issues and everyone. So we are liable as to what is going on. We have volunteered if you don't know. Some of our ministers who saved the... like the children here and others who are experts in this area of the fight against Korela, they have been told no, just keep away. This is politicizing the fight against Korela. So we are telling you that please let bygones be bygones. We in PF were not the best but we were far much better, head and shoulder above these guys. That's a fact. That's a fact. And we are saying let's work together. All of you in the opposition, all stakeholder groups, let's come together. The man talked about people's movement, which is going to give birth to people's alliance as a political entity. He's born today. Let's put our heads together. The academia, the labor leaders, the chief, let's work put our heads together. Because I have interacted with the people who helped European becoming government. And a lot of them have told me, this is not what we agreed upon. I won't mention names but they have all come. They are part of us here. They are telling us no, no, no. Please, we won't worry. They are the ones telling us. The people who supported H8 and European, they are the ones in the forefront telling us that let's get rid of this man. Can we go for an election? Let's use zambians to tell us now that this movement should be crying for an election. Because it's within your personal right to demand for an election. So that's why we are coming to you as a political party. But we trust you. In the light of what we are seeing as zambians, in the light of what we are experiencing as zambians, was this man going and his UPND continue up to 2026? We put pressure on him to get him to accept that an early election is imperative in the country. Dr. Rwanda gave up power in 1991. He was to run for three more years. He himself presented H8, he was on record telling people that lungu has failed. Let's have an early election. So if you zambians demand that we call upon H8 to resign and call for an early election, let's go that route. But it shouldn't come from us. It should come from you. And this is exactly what we are saying. So don't personalize these things because the program of action for korela fight was in place. But the man came and fixed it. He said, this can't work. We who know better are now in situ. We who know better, UPND are now in situ who sort out this problem. So now you're asking me, Edgarung, what would you have done? I'm no longer there please, but if I was, I would have continued that program of action, which we are working on with the ministry of health, world health organization and every other person. So I'm on TV. Let's find time and chat because what you're asking is obviously known to everybody. They will keep reminding you of the past. The past will not help us. The past can only be a reference point. But if you choose not to work with the past, that's it. But I am telling you that korela was being fixed. But when the man came, he fixed the fight against korela and that's what we are now. So what do you want me to do? I can only wait until I hear from you that this is how we are going to help government, the people and so on. And as we go into the future, the people who helped bring UPND into power, who are very disappointed with how they've been betrayed by UPND will tell us that how can we trust you that you won't betray us when you go to state house. Somebody was asking me that and I was asking colleagues here that let's take stock of what happened when people go to state house. Why do they change? They change very quickly in no longer fix your calls, in no longer talks to you. What guarantees there when Saki goes to state house he will pick up phone calls. Can we correct that so that as we take Saki to state house to make sure he responds to our calls? Can we make sure that he remains the same friend of mine Saki when he is in state house? This is the challenge we face here and the answer should come from you because a lot of you supported UPND and I'm not saying you were wrong but you didn't know that there is power in there. That power depends on who is handling it. The power that gentleman is using the same power I had but did you see what you've seen now? No. Because I was well brought up. I was brought up respecting each other and check for example I was given an example in church I said my good friend the GBM is generous because it comes from the family. He grew up in a family where I taught him to love and to share the generous and when he went to church the church emphasized the need for generosity and love and he grew up a loving person and caring person I replied to one of the people I said the gentleman perfect gentleman and he grew up in a Christian family they went to church and so on. So I was telling people I said let's bring our families to church so that we verify God God also rewards us with the right values and tomorrow someone says Lungu was a washer. Now I am saying to you that my washer is far much better than what we have. Far much better. You can talk about all these things you can go into agriculture you can go into everything including exchange rates you can go into price of medium Edgar stands head and shoulder about what you're experiencing now. I don't have to say it but I'm not here to say that because now I'm taking don't mention Edgar because Edgar will react. Now crimes crimes court and the fight against corruption. I think again you have to compare these guys keep beating their drums and singing their song at the highest pitch that they're doing better. Just for yourselves I have said in the past that the fight against corruption should not be for settling political scores or identifying which one you want to neutralize or even inherit from the political landscape. That's not what you do. The people who are appearing before this court are all those who are politically connected and we know that and the idea is we must circulate them in terms of resources so that they're not able to say anything political or be able to even speak. But at the end of the exam they cannot be cowed by the economic court. This court whatever the intention is not playing intended objective not being sincerely objective at all. You cannot have a court which is thought that you're not going to be paid in the judiciary or you won't have an improved condition of service or you won't get more money on an increase because the money is in the hands of the former regime who have got money in their houses and you are saying unless you recover that money you the judiciary will not improve your terms and conditions of service including your pay rise will not be affected. You can't have that for it simply means when you appear in court they will say let's nail him so that we can have money so that we are able to improve our conditions of service and get cars and all those things that's not what you do you're politicizing the judiciary and cutting them in the process that's what happens so I don't want to be involved in commenting on these things which are affecting me and my members because I seem to be prejudicing the proceedings they have built houses now they put big cars and no one is talking about it in two years they have acquired all the houses of the floors which were vacant and they are here they have demolished houses and they are building big mansions and we all know the challenge is used as media to bring out these things without fear or favor but I know that you are also putting on a very difficult situation because even what I've said here I know that probably social media might speak one or two witty statements I've made to leaving out the substance of what I've said so good luck to the media and I think you all need us we all need you