 Welcome to Toffy TV, and joined by Les Robert Eastbach after a... It's been over ages, light hiatus. Well, yeah. There's even other things, I'm not going to show you what the apple is like. Workin' and stuff. Before we begin this video, sponsored by One Football Leata brings you all the latest transfer room stats and scores. It's all in the one place that Dan will be at. Click the link in the description. We're just going to have a general chat about the summer because nothing's really happening. And it's raining, and it's grim. Yeah, the British summer in June, and it's 10 degrees on rain of marbles. 10 degrees on everything. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was just one of Champions League. So, I mean, when you just... We've been chatting before, and you go, wow, the summer, yeah, nothing's really happened. But some things have happened that haven't. Some significant things, whether people think they're significant or not. But there is significant things, and we'll start with the fact that the club captain, after he's been at Everton for 12 years, has been released. Yeah. Phil Jack Ylker. I mean, before we talk about the decision to release him, he was a fantastic sign, wasn't he, from Sheffield United? Yeah. What was he, was he six million? Four. Four million and one pound. Everton done the pound a bit. So we did that before us, though. I'm pissed. Yeah, we done it before. They tried it with Swanners. We pissed Sheffield United off now and... But that have been wornock then? It was wornock. Wornock all brilliant. He's fair to Wornock. He's always ate Liverpool, and he's always had a soft spot for Everton. I think Phil Jack Ylker is a legitimate son to be honest. Well, he was called at Sheffield United. He was called a man at his son. That was what they called him from... So maybe we're not quite so legitimate then? No, I think we are. Probably not. I mean, listen, he loves Jack Ylker. And he remember him when we got him, Wornock said I told him to go to Everton at the time. He said that day with the club I said he should join, but I don't think he was happy with the four million and one quits. But what a sign. Yeah, he was. He came in, he didn't get straight in, did he? He was playing a... And he played centre made in the Derby. Yeah. So we had a little bit of a slow star fan in his feet, but who did we have in him? We had Yobo, and who was the other centre half keeping up with the bin? 2007 when we got him wasn't it? So Yobo... Lesgoth was Lesgoth. Yeah, because we got Lesgoth 2006. Yes we did. Yeah, so then. Yeah, so he had a bit of trouble getting in, but that was a good defensive partnership anyway. But once he got in, he just... He's just the mainstay wasn't he? And I know he'd get a bit of stick for the type of captain he was, because he was never in the ref of his face captain. I think we had the thing a couple of seasons ago maybe where everyone went charging at the ref and he's walking over, dead slow, but you can't argue with the job he did on the pitch and you saw last season when he came in, he settled the whole defence down. He's just... He'd bring back arms to the defence, he'd talk players through games. So yeah, he's been a great captain and it's kind of gone under the radar a little bit hasn't it? It's not been the massive sort of big deal like yeah, your club captain's gone it's... But then I suppose that's a massive compliment to Michael Cain and Ke Tumer and obviously Yeri Mene, when he was fit last season. Jax wasn't missed. This is a fella that's been a part of our defence from 2007 when he got in and I still maintain if we'd have had him against Chelsea at Wembley on our nine. I think we'd have won that. We had some of the different injuries that he's had. It was a special start wasn't it? I wasn't too mad. I wasn't too mad, I was having a nightmare. But he's been brilliant and he played for Moes and Martin has come in captain and Cumin played him and Aladdai's played him so testimony to him of how good a defender he still was in his mid 30s because obviously, Moes had him on board him so he was always going to trust him and his performance was merited but then Martin has come in and it was like, we're going to play a different way and you had John Stones there but Jax was in there, Distan went out so Distan and Jax were a brilliant partnership for us and Cumin and it was like, we're looking at centre backs but Jax was still one of them so he's absolutely done it. You can't underestimate that for one player especially in a centre back where you need a good partnership so actually staying off that many defensive partners because even when Moes was there the defensive partners he had Diogo, we had Les Gots Distan. So he played with a lot of defensive partners but it was always him and someone else. What we need now is we need to find that new Jagie Elke kind of thing so the fellow's going to be the main stay. What do you make at the moment with what we've got? Because we haven't had a chat about this because you haven't been in for a while. I think last time you were in was after Brighton which was at Christmas so... I mean I really shouldn't be speaking to you but... What do you make of the defence this season because you're absolutely right we want someone who's going to be better than what Jagie Elke was really because obviously we didn't win anything so what do you make of the defence partnerships that we've had this last season? I think obviously Zoomer and Keane wants the defence to sort itself out I think after Post Millwall that was like a really good really good partnership then you need to complement each other Michael Keane's got a good reading of the game he's not the fastest but then you've got Keane too who can pretty much do everything but Keane in here is unbeatable isn't he so I think they're a really good partnership I think Mina he played well when he played for us he always looked like he's got a bit of a rick in him because he's very hands on isn't he that's why but I think two of the games he played against Chelsea he was probably the man of the match in them both fantastic he played really well on Amfield as well he's got a bit of a shot but I thought he was brilliant on Amfield so we've got if we signed Zoomer if we don't Keane and Mina could well work because again there's not much pace there though that's the only thing I've been saying I think it's really Keane I've heard that on last summer when I was defending him and Perth was giving him a kick in and I was saying he'll be sound you know because he's a good defender and there was mitigating shit when he came out what he went through last season was obviously when he's proved himself this season he's been brilliant and I think people underestimate his passionability the amount of times he played passion through the middle he's taken out for players with one pass it's incredible the amount of times he does that but you're right he's not the quickest and Zoomer's fantastic for us to think with Mina it's really difficult to judge him I think because whenever he started to see him to get into a little bit of a run it took him a while to see him when Brighton at home came off the bench in the last couple of minutes was the first time he'd seen him that one he did that mad slide he had a little go with Glenn Murray and then he played a week later at Stanford he had a clean sheet and he was brilliant and then he was in the team for a bit and then we got a couple of pastings and I think he got an injury I think what the man had to do wrong was he played three at the back and it was okay and then he quickly changed it because we lost the game instead of just going we'll stick with this for a little bit he didn't see it and then Mina was out the team and then he was in the team he didn't have a very good game at Millwall but nobody did and then he got an injury so he was out again then so I just don't think we know whether he's quick or he isn't just seeing him in the World Cup a couple of times he didn't look very quick but then he was brilliant against England I think if you're like what is he 6 for 5, something like that you know he's got to be a bit quick just feel like it's fine imagine him in Bernard in the foot race he's dead fast but like you see on my season when he's like sort of ferreting down the wing and then the centre of his big strides catching him up I think Mina, I wouldn't mind seeing him in Keen as you say but I think we will regardless of what happens real if it's a dream and he wants a dream quite clearly and by all accounts a dream is open to coming if he don't get him I think he'll get another one anyway who's kind of in the the dream of mould but that's a bit of pace and then maybe the three of them and maybe some whole gates back as well cos that's something Jack Ilger always brought to the team he's fast wasn't he? people never thought he was the amount of times the Premier League done that thing but who's the quickest in the Premier League was Jack, you were like look at the speed of a Banfield when Guilfee scored the speed of him down a pitch it's like mid 30s I remember the 3-3 with Chelsea I remember him kicking one off the line and he had no writer to get it was a goal and somehow he got there and he was like, well he is quick so that's something whoever his replacement is needs to bring to the team and he said he'll get a decent shot but I don't know if we'd be maybe looking for him to play right back cos he's just had a good season of West Brun he had a decent seat although he had Andy in El Pavote we were talking about the eye test so when you're looking at players and you're going he's bad at all, the guys look great and then he bit some of the numbers and his passing was like 30% on the completion and stuff but that's something he's got to work on we don't know if those 30% are many were actually good balls and they didn't read it or he was putting great deliveries in and people weren't getting on the end there's obviously a Peter Basely effect that was how I'm feeling when he was singing more of Wester Talant and the guys were like I'll run there and Basely's like why haven't you ran there man, that's a great ball so obviously that yet, the Jack Ylker thing I mean just very quickly Baines it looks as though he's going to put pence of paper for another 12 months and I think although I would have been happy for Baines to go and play something cos I love him I love him as a footballer I don't want him to be the lad that sits on the bench and plays 5 games this season he's such a good player but if that's what he wants that's fine but the plus side to him staying is we're not going to lose another big hole in the dressing room because obviously Jacks will be a big loss everyone like them, you know when he's seen the messages off ex players the day he left Runeys and all of these people you know Stistan and you know André Gomez even, my captain all that but Baines sticking around would give us that Everton feel still wouldn't it I think we do still need that bit of continuity I know those players get a bit of flack because they never won anything and then as soon as it goes a bit wrong in some games especially high profile games loses mentality that so they get a bit of flack for that but I don't think that's fair really and I think we do need that continuity cos if you see it or the playstone, if you get rid of loads of players at once who are ingrained in the club you can lose a lot of your identity we're trying to build a new identity but you still have to keep the people around you go well we do this here because then it breeds the next generation it goes right through the club as well cos I mean people talking about Ken Wright and that but the fact that he's there it does still keep the whole boardroom with that sort of Everton grounding you know, well machine he finds out what the club's about cos he's still got no three years in well he'll still be fine but he's done some good stuff and he's done some bad stuff but apparently by people who are close to the city and he's good at what he does he talks a good game you've got to give him that he's great at selling the club isn't he? but so obviously Filti a Gilchillef just on that you mentioned the boardroom if Farad Masheiri increased the shares last week in Everton or us when I have some truth with it I mean the video last week just talking and I've got John Blaney tomorrow so he'll give us more business sense talk of it but just as a you know people who just look at it and go oh yeah I mean it's a good thing that he's continuing to increase it's surely demonstrating his commitment to Everton it's gone to be hasn't it? I mean I think if anyone thought he was here to make a quick book I think that's quickly been dispelled and this is just another thing to add onto the fact that you know he's moved the officers to the live building so much with the ground how are you feeling about the ground because you know some moving? yeah in terms of where we're up to and are you frustrated with how there isn't more information out or it hasn't moved on or are you just like when it will happen? yeah I mean this time round I'm not worried that it won't happen there's so much hanging on that I can't see it I think it was last words these I can't see how it can't happen ever to build the ground there it's a whole development hinges on this getting built so there's a lot of stakeholders so I can't see it so I'm not really getting too worried are you excited mightn't be the right way but are you looking forward to seeing the designs for it we'll see again them in what where are we five weeks away from seeing them yeah I can't wait went down to Tottenham last game of the season and there grounds something else it really is good it's just out from outside and inside it looks the part they've got the big steeps down behind the goal looks dead good and they've got the seating it's not quite rail seating but it's built for rail seating even if we don't have rail seating by time we move it will still be effective because you'll have to rail lay you'll have the big space in front of everyone stands up anyway so I think after being there and seeing this is what it's like now three four five years being better than that that's the hope anyway but yeah I can't wait to see even just some sort of like an aesthetics point of view what it will look like there because you know from outside you can see it like you go down it's right there well I believe that it's all it's designed with all the materials that are also like the tobacco world so when you look at it it's going to look like so what do you think about that because you shouldn't have it like that like a heritage thing or like a spaceship it's a tricky one for me because you wanted to stand out by the same token I think I'd rather have it the way it's going to be I think so you look at spares and you go oh it looks amazing but a lot of stadiums look like that there's Atlanta United Stadium the Mercedes Ben Stadium and Georgia where the Atlanta Falcons play as well it's like the roof it's all berserk it's all spaceship and everything and it looks great but I think for everything and spares looks fantastic you see like the alliance and stuff like that but I think for us to be the iconic value of it will be where it is on that skyline and I think I think it'll be more iconic if it fits in rather than a big silver thing with a big everything yeah but it will have a big everything anyway so when you're on the aisle cruise ships coming in you'll know quite clearly there's everything I suppose it's more sort of it seems more fitting for us the traditional bricks and mortar thing like Goddison it's very I've not seen it so I might look at it and go I expect them to look what is it the gas oil stadium or something the Lucas oil stadium cos that's the sort of reference point we've got I don't think the brick the brick won't continue as high as that does that literally looks like a warehouse whereas I think everything will go for more a brick effect and then maybe I don't know maybe glass will take over maybe but it'll fit in either way but I think it's going to look easier with a glass architer I think the important thing for me and I've been thinking about this after the hysteria of Demlock winning that it's like and the amount of hangers on you see and it's like well if anyone comes to the city they're going to go to Wanfield that's just how it is cos you would when I went to Barcelona I went to New Camp and I went to Spaniel as well yeah but you're a football but the thing between the two clubs that was so markedly different and I think you can probably get it between us and them as well you go to Barcelona it's like a it's like a theme park and they're just like throwing people through whizzing you around and it's like I don't think it's like this all the time I think we went on a particularly bad day but it was like queuing up for a ride there were all the towers we were just shuffling through the stadium and then out and there's no ride at the end but when we went to a Spaniel we were like running a bit late cos it's a bit hard to find it's out the city bit hard to find so the hell of the tour for us there was only about 15 of us on the tour a dead person a much better experience now I know the numbers are completely different to the two clubs they're not going to be thousands of people wanting to go to a Spaniel but I think if we can get the two things together so we still got that core of life this is it we're not a massive tourist club but we want the tourists to come in obviously if you get on if you come into the city we see how many cruise ships come into the city if you're on that cruise ship and you're coming down the Mersi and you know you're docking and you go past a stadium which is 5 minutes 10 minutes from where you're getting off you're going to go and see it and especially if there's a cafe in there apparently it's going to or hopefully it's all going to house and there's going to be a big fanatic shop big event in the store there as well within the footprint you're more likely to go on get there and go to Premier League and have a look at the stuff you've got to go looking for goodness and you'd have to be interested if you go past there's a big bang that's evident naturally we should attract a lot more and that'll be a good thing in terms of where we are but I'm looking forward to seeing it I really am everything else that goes with it and I think get the planning permission in and get the spade in the ground and once the spade goes in the ground I think people will start going that's what you need and that's where we are and that could be another 12 months but I think as we saw with Tottenham it's going to take time because I think they rushed it towards the end we've got to get in by then if they had just said look we're not going to be until next season no one would have been bothered the difference with us is we're not going to have to go and play that I'm filled for 12 months but because it was built where it was they had to leave White's Art Lane if they would have had White's Art Lane I don't think their fans would have been asked one bit if they were another 12 months it's just the fact that they meant it well and then it was like we started getting 30,000 at Wembleyfer Games in the week and it's like this is shit it was a 90,000 stage and there was 30,000 levels in it because they got that a few times so I think for us it's a different the whole model is different but I'm like you there's no way it won't happen but this will help the next bit will help once the designs are out there and the information is out there seeing it now we know roughly what the capacity is going to be I mean I personally I don't know how we can but we can go lower than 55 I really don't it puzzles me totally I think it's got to be 55 and if that means shortening the width of the seats in like the salt stand which is going to be the steep stand behind the goal you want that more closer together anyway in an area like that so you can shorten the width of the seats but which is still bigger than others by the way and put them in there you can probably cram another 3000 seats and it will take you to 55 because people are talking about 60 plus like we need to have 60 plus I'm not so sure I think 55 is probably a happy medium there because at the minute we're not the massive drawer and if you put the rail seating in and it does come through and listen changes are taking place all the time if it does increase then you can increase your capacity that way as well but I think for me personally I don't know how they can they can put less than 55 and I really don't but they've said 52 I hope that people put enough pressure on them to change it to 55 maybe I don't know but we'll have to see we'll have to see we have signed a player this summer you know when this later's coming is that how you say it? I mean I was calling them Loss I'm changing Loss to Lace you know now he plays for us I've gone full Liverpool when the Sammy Hippie became Hooper and Schmitzer Schmitzer was Schmitzer and all of them you know all of the changes the way Liverpool like to love run you know love run that's how dancing was love run so I'm calling them Lace he's coming in listening I know that's not going to get people sitting up and getting excited and second and third string goalies and that's what they really do but everything move quickly to get that done what it'll probably mean is Javertine it'll go out on loan I should imagine I think you only can see that's six goals in the under 23s last season and three of them came in one game against Manchester City so decent I think he's not bad but they do think I love him a thing don't they so it's like you know this is one of the things where you can sort of say the under 23s it's a bit of a mad entity because it's brilliant that we're winning Premier League 2s but it's not it's not developed in play as well no it's not so they're not going Kenny's just gone out to Shell he's won 22 it's a bit late for him to be going on loan he maybe should have gone out on loan but that's a good place to go it's a good move for him that's the sort of loans that our players should be looking at not going to like chat although Derby did all right last season going abroad something totally different giving them another grounding My and Andy had a chat as well this was on a Tuesday topic about the 23s because I think Marcel Brands has said somewhere I don't know where this is so I'm sorry I can't quote the source but something like it won't happen again now what we've just done so we won two in three years because the plan is not it's not about winning trophies at that level it's about producing players for the first team and with that is the ability to get these players out on loan and playing football rather than shitting and we've got players like Nathan Broder who's 21-22 who's never played for ever and I know he's going to get in our first team people like that Brendan Gallaw because he's signed a pro contract a big contract but he's 22 under 23 and I think for me those lads have got to make these decisions by the time they're 19 we've got to be getting them out on loan we've got to look and go are you going to get in our first team is there a possibility you're going to play in our first team so I think this summer Derby looking for Josh Bowler to go out on loan and I think I'm sure he'd made his debut in football anyway when he was 16 I think that's it Fili was Gibson he's won a very highly in the bottom for the Newcastle Police now ready I think for the loan Morgan Feeneys had a bad injury so he's a little bit older but I think he needs to go out on loan because he's got to go and play against Darlas so we're going to be cracking him in the not a 23 thing but it's all about letting you play and maybe someone like Dennis Edin Ehren maybe I've not seen enough of him to know whether he's got a chance or he hasn't but we bought him from Fulham so we obviously rate him so I think those kind of players really do need to get out on loan this season we've seen, we've got Calum Connolly who's coming back from he's been at Wigan, he's been at Bolton he's been at Ipswich now is he going to get an evidence team I mean what's the plan for him he's 21 now is the plan for him to play or is the plan for him to sell him and make money on him now but if he comes back and then be loan him out again you'd be like for 30 years on the run you've gone on loan so do you think we need to make the decisions earlier on these players it's an awkward situation though obviously you've got Underworth doing such a good job bringing these players through to win stuff at that level but once you get to like 21, 22 you need to be knocking on the door or the charlison's 21 or he played this is it isn't it he could be a bit of an anomaly but he's like he's mad as a head isn't he what I'm saying is when you're looking at 80s Tom Davis has played 85 Premier League games not 21 till next week so that's what we're saying aren't we we're looking and going there's some of these lads that are older than these and they're not even on the bench for us I suppose from their point of view it's hard from a player because you're going like if you look at like a bowler and ffini they're going from a very successful team at that level there to potentially a team who's on a dart another division that's going to be a hard adjustment that because then if you know oh it does yeah it's what they need but I think mentally for them that would be tough especially if that team goes on and does well again next year it's like when Tom Davis wasn't in in the under 23s when he won the World Cup and the Premier League he was supposed to wreck his head a bit although he had a decent season with us he's seeing all his mates winning stuff and he's like hang on a minute I won the boss goal against Man City Cup for me Tom divides a pinging but I think he's a crack on player and I think that's 20 years of age I think why can't he just be a squad player for us until he gets better and better and if he doesn't get better and better he's still a decent squad player you're not going to have you can't I don't think alone we've right for him definitely not I haven't done much of games he's played for us but yeah he needs to be given time to develop in all team as it is now you know not like be sort of thrown in at the deep end a bit like he was last season when he was giving the captain's on which was a bit of an odd decision but if anyone was going to appreciate it it was him and I think he was I suppose Silva was just trying to bring him out of himself I'm not sure if he got this going to help you let me have a look at you don't forget the man that he was a session from the minute he came in last year it was difficult for him he was such a big stupid squad anyway he had to make some big decisions well that itself says a lot about Dave's the fact that he was prepared it was early on in the season Silva still had a lot of question marks even though our start was okay it was still like let's see what he's like after Christmas which that was shite but it was like he still so to throw that responsibility on a young lad like that I think it would have done Dave's to the world because it would have given his confidence so if we just let him develop I don't think there's any player I've seen who I want to do well London him I think he's a great kid as well he's got his head screwed on so hopefully he'll develop he's at the right place to develop and I think he'll look around that squad at the younger players and people like that it always did well for us in the first team but he went to Wigan got injured straight away ended up playing one game for them and just come back so there's question marks over him now this summer Joe Williams has been fantastic for Bolton but he's ready to play in Everton's team and you've been a Bolton so there's a lot of those decisions a lot of people are clamouring for Ella Sims he's playing in a league with he doesn't put a tackle in he can now play 23s all season or see how he goes can he cope with the physicality can he still put the ball in the net you see that at every level don't you you'd always have a kid who's friggin massive I think Haku was like that when he was 16 he was playing first team but you see pictures of him when he was a lot younger he was massive so that's going to be an interesting season for him that season if he can cut it lad do it a bit bigger there's another one isn't it he's really getting everyone's hook and he's 16 he's just signed the contract he's the one they're all looking at now the next big one so we'll have to see how he goes I think we're in a bit of a funny position as a club though where we are because can we afford to be bringing players through there's a bit of a contradiction there isn't there we want to be going out and buying the best so we've got the best team but we do like the idea of bringing these players through but is there a root unless you're exceptional if you play wide right you've got to be some player to knock retaliation out but that's the way it is bless I know what you're saying ideally I'd love 5 I'd love the class of 92 at United we all would every club would I think because I'd save you the shedload of money and beat these lads grow to be satisfied we all want to centre forward like Wayne Rooney again only one that sticks with the hand I couldn't think of anything better but with a number nine who's come through say you tell us Sims or someone who's a proper Evertonian and is like listen even if I come in here and score 40 goals I'm staying here for at least 4 years and then when I'm 22-23 if Everton aren't going where I want to and I'm attracting that much interest then like Spades I've got with Harry Kane if Harry Kane turn on this summer now and he's like I've had enough I'm 25-26 I don't want to go there no Spades fan really could have a go on because he's banged goal in year after year after year for me to give them everything I want an Everton centre forward to do that that was the heartbreaking thing really wasn't it because I think we all saw ourselves in him thinking well if we were in that position we wouldn't have done that obviously it was more new instead of just MC Man United going right him off but that was his back but that's it that's the sort of like that was the impact because it was like we could all say that's what we want to do and they're not more satisfying than a centre forward to score and go but if we could get one who's nearly as good as that, who put the ball in the net I think we'd all love that as Evertonians that's what you want to see one of us scoring and you'd feel that that's when Tom Davis scores you get that from him he'd get it with Ross to be fair and I had it with Wayman I loved it when Rooney scored and loved it when Duncan scored because he looked like an Everton fan so you felt it more it meant more kind of thing but that's where we are and that's what we owe forward to another thing that's caused a bit of a bit of discussion shall we say on Twitter it's no kit out now we're at the age where I don't think we've ever given a shit about the kit but we've both got lads who do that's the only one I mean my lads always dad went in, out went in, why haven't I got the new kit and I said this to my mates reds, reds that makes it worse when all those gremlins are running around in that case what do you think about the kits? it does do my head in I'm far too old to be asked about kits but I do, I am asked about them but you've got a lot of ladi once but I mean even just me I've a proper bad kit need really bad you're not going to own buy one though no for me, no for the kids although I did I've never worn it all as one but I did buy the whole commemorative kit I bought the whole kit I've never worn it just in the house with a cat you've got your full kit the shock no but I did buy all that that was a class kit I should have been that kit should have just been but yeah I do I do like to see what the new kits like and it has done me a din I know the reasons because the unbroke contract apparently wasn't it, we signed it late well that's the reason and yeah it especially annoys me with the kids because you do see the mates running around and like the younger slab was at Wyrdill footage trials last night and there's loads of kids in Liverpool kits and I've got him and he's like a highlight kit because he hasn't got a new everything kit to put on so it does do your head in from that respect I know bringing it out at the end of May no more people are going to buy it than Wyrdill if you bring it out at the end of June it doesn't matter, everyone is going to buy a kit will buy it it doesn't matter when it comes out everyone's going to buy it it's just frustrating isn't it I think everyone kind of harks back to the fact that we've never got this commercial thing properly boxed off and then you think right we're moving forward off the pitch now as well and then something like this happens and everyone just goes oh here we go same old ever I mean it's not same old ever and we're a completely different entity to what we were now but it just always has that nagging I hope it's good as well I'm not sure, listen like you said I'm really that ass but I am as a dad to someone, it's frustrating once sharing it's like no we will I like last year we brought it out the week of the last home game and I went and bought them it was out the day of the child dancing game and when I bought them he put a shirt on and he made up me again it was sunny and it was lovely and he had the kit on it was great and we played that game oh my god it was horrendous but the team wore it and I always think that's it, I don't know why it's just it's good, I don't know but they always used to do that or quite recently they bring the kit out on the last home game to the last home game, you'd wear next season's kit last home game, so the fact that they did that last season and brought the kit out to buy which I don't think they've done before it was a good thing to do and it was a clever thing to do but after waiting shit they've said now having the Evan have actually made a statement and said it'll be the least you'll see it the first weekend and you'll be like I haven't nowhere against Carriabanga Sharks that's the Kenya for the Sport Payser Cup hopefully retain the Sport Payser Cup opportunity for silverware no no, it'll be our third if we win it, it'll be our three times in four years no-one's ever done that you've got to pay cups up your arste we've got the African Cup where I box yourself into Europe spread yourself far and wide so yeah, we'll see it then it's going to be out mid-July I think in time for what we were told in time for the summer holiday so it is what it is it leads me on to the pre-season more fume or no lack of any pre-season news a German website has said that we're playing with a Bremen I mean what it's difficult this one I'll tell you by why it's difficult and from what I've been told a lot of the pre-season things are shorter than waiting on a contract to be signed and blah blah blah but I think even taking that out of the equation I think it's difficult for Everton to to plan the pre-season when the Europa League qualification is in the mix because it would have been playing next month in the Europa League so so as the season is coming to a close it's difficult isn't it to go well we're going to America it's easy for the top six because they don't have the qualification games so it's easy especially the top four you can plan you know, Liverpool know they know they're in your you look at their pre-season it's like a five star pre-season they know they're in your they know they're in your 2021 because they're not going to go from second to seventh because they know but they know they're in your so then bigger teams, bigger elite clubs can plan their pre-season properly being torn other teams have forgotten planned as well but maybe some of those knew that they weren't going to be in the Europa League either so I'm not giving an excuse here because it's June and we still haven't said anything so that's bizarre in itself for me well we're in the way of the situation now where we're going to have next season's fixtures released before our pre-season's released and that shouldn't get said today it'll have to be a big quick announcement but yeah I don't know I think it's another thing that people just like jump on pre-season we'll have it sorted I don't think the worry is you look back to that one where we played at Brenton Park twice in Celtic Vigo which was just ridiculous we were just trying to grab games I can understand why people are concerned because you don't want to go back to that because that just didn't set us up at all for the season it was a shambles but I don't think this management is so meticulous but that's it we're a totally different proposition now we've got Marcel Brands and Mark of Silver in there they clearly know what they're doing we're not like some sort of flyb in our club they've got the African game the first so that's the way it is that's part of the sponsorship deal so they've got that they then go off to Switzerland they're playing two games in Switzerland 23-0 this year I hope so but I think the opposition may be a little bit better than so that they're looking at having a couple of games in Switzerland then they've got something else coming up and then they've got a word of Bremen it looks like and there may be another there may be another one in there as well so they will have enough games I should imagine and it will be planned to have a set next dance with Brands and Silver as well but don't forget week before the season finished we could still get in here hopefully we'd be barely the last home game and if Wolves wouldn't have won the next day the chances are we'd have been in Europe that's something I don't even cross my mind if you're looking to get into Europe at that stage you can't plan your pre-season because that forms a massive part of it it's like last time we were in it it messed everyone up didn't it so yeah I never thought of that the ideal for us is to get into the top six next season just win the league cup all of that win the league and there's none of this shite but you've got it is it's different the reality is you need to get that act together English Premier League teams shouldn't be having to qualify they shouldn't it's been the situation since they brought you into Toto they wanted this mad little summer European tournament with English teams and that waste only put them in the qualifier in the middle of August then because then everything could go right we'll go to America we'll go to America on the 10th of July till the 24th we'll go two weeks or 11, 12 days in America we can go to Austria America and then we're back in time ready to play that European League qualifying but do you like fucking games into you like the European League finished last week and the draw was made yesterday and it starts next week that's ridiculous for real life it's just actually made me think as well another time we got out off in Europe apart from the most famous time we got out off in Europe when we were in Spain and Wimbledon put weekend teams out in the end of Toto so you were even took a European spot so we finished 6th we did didn't we and 5th got in did Arsenal finish 5th and they got push because English teams got a place take in a way because Tottenham and Wimbledon but you can understand why they did but it had to be us didn't it listen, two world wars when we were champions should have told you that list the thing is from that we've like I think maybe not now but until very recently we've held the first division title longer than anybody because we've had it for a combined 20 years or something well like me and Pett said a while ago that every year while our war was on we were champions so really we've probably won the league the most but we'll be up there definitely, we've got the nine with what four years world war one so there's 13 7 20 so we'll be united it's united ever in the end of the world there you go, so we've won 20 really, I mean if you want to do it factily well there is, there's just facts really we're champions, there the facts can't argue with that in fact so there's science almost, almost not full science but it's science basically there if you think about it there you go, we've had a chatter bar of some of that hasn't really done anything nothing's been going on so just literally spoke for about an hour or 50 minutes on nothing so there you go, hope you've enjoyed it it's like 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