 Welcome once again to the breakfast on plus TV Africa So we're going to get to the Iqoyi part of Lagos now to get feedback As to exactly what is going on on ground at the 21 story building collapse We're speaking this morning with the DG La Sema just Lagos State Emergency Management Agency Mr. Femi Oké or Sainto Lu. Good morning, and thanks for joining us, sir Great to have you kindly Give us updates on what exactly is going on there this morning. Have there been more Rescues any other person that has been found alive Such as this, this gap running, the context, but talk again that are important in managing an emergency while on the ground Now the most important thing is that we're happy to treat the culprits Like you treat culprits, so we ask you to pull in one move Okay Okay Being at the site of that very sad or unfortunate incident that could have been avoided What do you think could have been responsible for the collapse of that building? Okay, Mr. Sainto Lu, can you share with us With regards timing for when the search and rescue operation started Because reports have it that it took about an hour or maybe two hours before the rescue proper started before your equipment got on ground there With that our basic issue from that place From that copper to equally I do I do with you Now we have some challenges based on the When we use our siren, although enough of people, it's only the response to that siren siren in time We appeal to them through radio and communication And we got there quickly Believe me Mr. Sainto Lu Yeah, I'm not I'm not necessarily saying La Sema failed here What I'm trying to clarify Because if we're talking about, you know, the number of people that have been rescued and those who have been found dead I'm sure that you know the importance of timing And so there's a lot of conversations that need to be had concerning this particular situation and that is, you know Some approvals with regard safety Yesterday I was on ground there and I know that I was in that traffic for an hour plus maybe up to two hours And there was no actual rescue operation going on at the time that I was there So it's not necessarily La Sema's fault, but I think it's an important conversation that needs to be had And that's what I'm trying to clarify with timing when it started and if you look at the clips that we are showing on screen currently All those were at night The trucks being off loaded although the heavy duty vehicles been off loaded all those were at night This happened sometime Think of the vehicles with this way of course that work on you We use one that we call hammer We use one that we call cutter and blade and we use one that has bucket And we call hoppy take holder like backpack And we were there So, but I quite argue with you that you have solved the 15 cadets, which is due to be where we are moving our heavy duty people to that room. We need our heavy duty, which is our base. Okay. So, on that note, it is going to be a big issue. And my guess is that it should be possible. This should allow us to have easy passage, where it should provide efforts of the police and the military before we do that. For people that were done, they had to have these goods and they had to take the goods off of it. And your question was well-conceived. Okay, let's talk about the response time now as well. During an emergency, what is the exact response time for you? We have almost changed the response within 10 minutes. Yesterday, our last response time is about 10 minutes. We moved things into the scene, but our equipment that has been destroyed, our heavy duty equipment that was used, but it shook about one hour before getting here. But police tells me all the top attorneys that are in protest in managing on Monday say, wow, the drugs. We kept everything off, not all big objects. What's on the drugs? We have slides to see the equipment that we are working with. And it showed the happening and the most good efforts of the military and the police to control the police force. In fact, the police was on the ground to ensure that gun control is well maintained. So we have to ensure that emergency response is ready to be performed by our people. People who need us can help you. Number one, by not giving us any access to the goods, by counting the things of emergency, by blocking the roads for easy passage of our equipment. So are you saying that your response time is 30 minutes in any case of emergency? In 30 minutes that you know you will be there, your men will be there, and all of the necessary equipment. What I'm saying is that in this case, our last response time is you and me 10 minutes. Because we have the truth in that we are counting operational units that will respond to any form of emergency as quickly as possible. And within 10 minutes, in any part of the country, we will define the type of emergency that we are having. And in any part, all over the world, the most important thing is for you to define the emergency that your response is in. Then that is when you are able to know the resources that you are going to use. In terms of equipment, in terms of manpower, yesterday, our response time was 10 minutes. All the key stakeholders that are important to the emergency were on the ground. We counted the right things from there. Then it took us a lot of time. We thought we would move our head to see if we could make the decision. And if it's you, so we can trust the ground. And we are feeling the good people of the country. Whenever we are moving up. You have less than one minute for me. Alright, so I was saying to her, I hope we can reconnect with you. And I think I understand the point he's trying to make. And that's why I had to mention earlier that it's not necessarily a blame lassema for delay in rescue. If we're working all night to rescue 21 people, 15 people, nobody knows how many or the figure is. Timing is very important. Every single second that a person is buried on the ground, on the rubble, every single second is vital. And so if they don't make it there in time, and like he mentioned that their response time is 10 minutes, they got there in 10 minutes, but they had to move equipment and it took a while. It's not necessarily the effort that Lagos is choked, and it's going to be difficult to move that many vehicles or those high-duty vehicles, heavy-duty vehicles, to Ikoi, with the traffic that I saw yesterday almost impossible except you're going to be lifting them and dropping them there. So it's not necessarily his fault, but it's a question that Lagos state itself needs to start to answer with regards to the safety of buildings anywhere in Lagos. How easy will it be to rescue victims in every single location in Lagos? The same thing, all the buildings in Ikoi should start to question themselves. I'm also thinking, yes, as much as we would say the blame should not be on the agency or on him, but I'm sure that every city is peculiar. We also know that Lagos has, these are the issues with us, traffic is jam-packed. One would be thinking that we should be thinking out of the box in case of an emergency. So if there's going to be traffic, how do we now get to the site of all of this? How do we get to the spot where this is happening with all of the traffic? So we need to devise other means, we need to come up with other strategies on how to solve the problem. Because, I mean, it's really sad to think that a lot of people are still trapped as we speak under the rubble. It's really, really happy with it. I don't think we have emergency lanes for things like this. We also don't have that. There's no space. So even if you told Lagos, okay, please, this is an emergency. You need to move away so that the ambulance vehicles will pass, so that these excavators will pass. There's no way to move through. I looked at the bridge, the whole of the Equi Bridge yesterday, it was blocked completely. There has to be some way somehow that they need to do better planning. When I say it wasn't necessarily, I'm not saying that last time I ruled out of the blame. Yes, I'm saying that not just them. The question needs to be asked in all ramifications. Everybody needs to start questioning what needs to be done to improve on safety and security in Lagos. And it's not just with rubber cases, but for all situations like this. We'll take a short break. When we come back, we're moving into talking about the state of the nation, with the founder of the One Love family, Sat Kulu Mahalani. We'll be back.