 So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to share my screen. I guess it's hard to know, like, you can't talk to people. Like, I want to know who here is completely brand new and needs help, like, just getting set up, getting Inkscape running, that kind of thing. So I'm just going to assume everybody watching has Inkscape. So I'll make that assumption. And then what I'm going to do is I'm going to screen share. Oops, that's not screen share. This is screen share. I hope this works. Hi, guys. So technically, I didn't finish up the thing, but I felt like I wanted to join the call here to populate it a little bit more. I'm listening. And I'm going to be a part of the conversation. I just need to gather all of the FAS accounts to do badges. I'm going to award them later. I just have to go through the chat. So I'm here. All right. Thank you for saving me from being very awkward. So we have two wallpapers we got to do. And the background here is that we're trying to do two release wallpapers at the same time so we can get ahead of it so that moving forward, we don't block any releases, not that we ever have, although we've been accused of doing so. But it just means less stress for everybody and better testing on the wallpaper and that sort of thing. So we're going to try to get ahead of it. So we're doing two at once. And F33, I believe, is Walter Lincoln Hawkins. And this is the one we have a lot of mockups for using telephone poles. And I think, oh, it looks like Madeleine didn't post her. So let me, hers isn't her blog. I don't know if you guys have seen her blog on Planet Fedora for this. Why is this not awesome? Bar is not being awesome. Yeah, OK. So let me see if I can get her sketches here. You guys can see this, right? I'm not talking to a black hole. Yeah. It's like one of four things on the screen. But yeah, I can see it. It's more time. Oh, I wonder if I can I make it bigger? Oh, here. I think we have the ability to do that. Oh, I think we have to do it infinitely on our side. So if I click on your shared screen, then it makes it larger. And it puts everybody else to the bottom. OK, cool. Yeah, so everyone double click. Oh my gosh. And then it does that weird thing. Cool. All right. So yeah, I kind of gave Madeleine a little bit of the background of if it's not blue, there's drama. So you see, I know suggestion more than blue is controversial. But this was like her sketch. And I think she's playing her transparencies, like Pains of Glass. I think that was thinking about the other one, F-34, which is Ube Iwerks, whose name I'm probably butchering. But he's the guy who invented the multi-plane camera. So I think that that's where she was going with this one. But this one now. So OK, I'm going to be blunt here. All right, nobody get your feelings hurt. I think these are awesome. I think I love how this one, like the lines pop out of the background. That makes it a little bit more surreal, a little bit more abstract. I find that super interesting. When it's just like a telephone pole in lines, it feels there's like this terrible movie that came out in the 90s. I don't remember the name of the movie, but it was like this guy going to art school. And he had a thing where he'd just make nouns. So it makes me think of like, this is just a noun, telephone pole. Do you know what I mean? It needs a little bit more something. So out of these, my favorite mock-up is this one, because you have the poles almost coming out of the background. It makes me think of, oh, what's her name? The crazy chick, the bad guy chick, what's her name? Billie Eilish. Yes, Billie Eilish. The beginning of the music video, and there's a yellow thing, and she just cracks it open and comes out of it, this is what it makes me think of. It's like a blue wall, and it's just coming out. It's interesting, like you're thinking about, why is that coming out of the wall? It's kind of cool. So I like that part of it. One of the things, conceptually, that I was thinking about with this thing was almost like the entire project that this inventor worked on involved connecting rural communities that never had a connection before, like they never had the ability to call the rest of the country or whatnot. So you could even do something more abstract that had some sort of networking or bringing dots together, or just any sort of visual that shows things that were disconnected, kind of flowing together. So I mean, just very abstract concept there. Like that's kind of my initial. So I wasn't expecting anything quite so literal as like telephone poles, but again, like this one is kind of cool because it has that surreal edge to it. And let me think, what else was I gonna point out about this? All right, so there was a question about, and let me, can I hide my share? No, go away share. There we go, okay. So then there was a question in the ticket about how does this time of day wallpaper thing work? So the way the time of day wallpaper thing works is kind of not as exciting as it sounds like it could be. It's basically like you have four layers in GIMP and you just sort of like blend between two layers by kind of gradually decreasing the opacity of one. So if objects move from one frame to another frame to another frame, I don't think it's gonna work too well because then you're gonna have this thing where it's sort of a ghost in both positions. And then so it kind of, I like the time of day idea, but I think that it's not gonna look right in between the, you know, like in the center point between two of the, I don't know nodes or between points. You don't have multiple shadows at the same time. If you were to, and I think I was just kind of playing with Blender, I was like, oh, I could probably build a telephone pole and learn this program a little bit better. Right, right. And I think if, and the reason about the time of day as I was just thinking about that, if you abstract it even more, I remember there was something from Mindshare, maybe like a year or two ago that had to do with the concept of like connecting nodes, sort of like that broadened ability. It might be possible to do something that's like a top down kind of like those shots of planet Earth where you have cities, you know, you might be able to have something that's a nice fade between like where there are points of light, maybe I don't know. I don't know exactly what that would look like, but like conceptually that might be a thing that would aid, you know, in that kind of like blend mode. Cause I really wasn't sure how that worked. Well, one thing I think that that's an awesome idea. And I think that like we can't control the time of day, obviously. So like we can make it so that in the morning, maybe we could have it so like it's some kind of surface of a planet or something and nothing is lit up. And then like at noon, like a few lights are connected and then sunset, there's even more. And then at night, it's all lit up. That might be neat. And then over time. Yeah, kind of like a day progression. Yeah, exactly. And then over, but because it's like more things coming in rather than something moving, I think that'll work. It's just one weird, whoa, hey, Maria, how you doing? I think though, one weird transition is going to be the fully lit night to dawn. That might be a little freaky, but whatever. I think it's all right. I mean, how many people are awake in any way? Maybe me, but I don't know, many other people. Awake and staring at their desktop. Yeah, at night, I'm usually on the phone. So, but yeah, so that's actually kind of a cool idea. I love that. It's a really cool concept and it uses the time of day too. So then for this one, we'll be thinking about sort of what, I don't know, like, well, let's pull up some pictures here. Hold on. Yeah, I'll share my screen again. And I don't have to be the only one sharing my screen. I think it lets you people do it too. I don't know. Do you see a share screen option? Yep. Do, yeah. Okay, cool. All right, so I'm gonna do media with key commons. I don't know why it's not popping out, but, I mean, that's the other thing is if it's like an Earth type thing, there's so many public domain stuff from NASA. Which is a great benefit. NASA's wonderful, just the pictures. Let's see. I think we want one of those ones where it like fills the frame kind of thing. Like it even could be something like this without the space equipment. But I don't know. What were you thinking, Kyle? In some ways, my head was thinking even maybe more abstract than that, but just like to have the connecting, I think it's the right thing. Like we're thinking the same thing, which is like those shots of the planet at night, maybe they're not even from the space station. Maybe they're from like satellite or something like that. Probably the space station. But just the difference between like the, where the points of light are, essentially those shots at night are like where are their cities, you know? But then like the progression being like, possibly like a connection of like lines or something between them and maybe the lines are dark and they like light up and they almost carry it. So it's a little less, I don't know. It'd be one of those things where I think, we'd have to build it or like a lot of people could build it and then we'd see what it might look like. We like play with it and see how it turns out. Yeah. Oh, here, it's something like, so this kind of thing is something. Yeah. It'd be nice if they had that quality because you can see like the lines between the different cities and things. But I don't know. So you can kind of have it spread, you know? I think conceptually the thing for me would be like you said like more areas are lit up over time. Right. It spreads or it grows or it expands. And do we want it to be earth or do we want to make it more abstract, like no recognizable continents or anything like that? I think it should be abstract. Yeah. Yeah. I'm wondering if there's any, like I, you know, everybody loves that one Fedora wallpaper where it's the sound wave and it's the trees. So I'm like wondering if there's something we could do like that where like it's abstract, but there's some meaning to the shapes that we work into it. Yeah, like a hidden kind of nugget. Yeah. What about some of the graphs Matthew had in his state of Fedora talk? So I didn't see that. That's okay. I could just ask him for the slides. I think I have access to them, hold on. Okay, that would be cool. Cause yeah, I didn't have a babysitter yesterday because it was her high school graduation. Her high school graduation that still happened even though hours before the mayor banned outdoor gatherings of over 50 people or not the mayor, the governor. Yeah. So. We live in interesting times. I know, it's crazy. I do have a stupid and silly question because I have been away from the keyboard for so long that everything's stupid or silly. Oh, it's all good. Two questions. I was checking the ticket and the new ideas come from a letter. So the letter then to just select an inventor and go from right, right. Yeah. Our inventor was H and it's Walter Hawkins who invented, he invented a type of polymer. He's like some kind of chemist and he invented some type of polymer that enabled them to run telephone lines much further than before. So he helped connect rural communities. So that would be the one that we're supposed to use, right? Yeah, yeah Hawkins though. And then we're also doing F-34 at the same time. So F-34 we could talk about too. Here, let me pop that up. So I put my screen if you guys can see it. Yeah, oh, yep, yep, yep. Here's one of the graphs that Matthew has in his top. I mean, I see here we could just do like 2019 through 2020 or something like that. Probably just isolate some of it or not. There's Fedora Magazine page views by here. Ask Fedora stats. Let's see what else there is here. Are these downloads? Yeah, I think so, it's two methods. Yeah, yeah. Okay, there's that. I think one of the things, because I think pulling it from data would be really interesting and all of you would probably have a better idea of kind of like- This one's nice. Yeah. I can totally see breaking those up until like a Panjia split, you know what I mean? This one's more interesting. Ages of Fedora, unique IP addresses seen per daily release from 2007. I mean, you could also treat that broad shape as like a continent, right? Like a zoomed in portion of a continent if you wanted to from the sky. Yeah, I like that too. So like it's not, I think the one thing that kind of I'm wondering about is the thing with the kind of like hidden Fedora seemed to be like release, I'm assuming and like correct me if I'm wrong is that people kind of like went, oh like really? And then could kind of like place it and it was so simple it didn't need much of an explanation. It was just like a sound wave of the name of the distribution. Hello, I wonder if there's something else that would be like pretty simple like that. And I'm not sure, I'm not saying it's not data. I'm just wondering like that seemed to be maybe like a quick pathway for people yet to kind of it. Right. I think I like this one's the most interesting or this one? You can also- That one looks like it's on fire. Yeah. You can also probably do something with like the raw data too. You might be able to like, I don't know like plot where the points of light are based on like some sort of like X, Y coordinate based on the actual numbers of the data. I don't know if that would look interesting. Should I get with you to share with us how he made those? Yeah. Well, hold on, I have something to share with you guys one second. Okay. She's got a look. All right, hold on. Come on, was it gonna let me share? Uh-oh, hold on. Firefox is like saying no. Say yes, Firefox. Okay, I think it'll let me do it. Yeah. I like how like it's like remember this decision and then like it forgets. Okay, can you see this? Yep. Yeah, so like I was thinking, you know, this is like the- I love this. I mean, we could actually do this but my thinking was that it's like ages of Fedora, I was thinking like each version of Fedora could have like a little continent shape and it's sized relative to how many downloads it had. So we could sort of work in like what was, the largest one is gonna be like the most, the most popular Fedora release. But I think that might be neat. And maybe somehow we could take the release number of each continent and make that apply to how many lights it has or, or, we could do the number of lights represent the downloads which actually might be a better scale. So like, you know, if there was like 3,000 downloads then we can make it so that there's 3,000 points of light on that continent. And maybe the continent shapes could have some relation to the release number. Like they could roughly, you know, look like the number not really though. I don't know, that's one idea. It's like kind of, yeah. And it's kind of like if you can kind of vaguely tell what somebody told you, but you couldn't tell right away that the continent shapes were numbers. I think that makes it simple and easy to grok. And then also the relationship between the number of downloads and the number of lights, I think it's also pretty simple to grok. So I think that could be a good way to do it. Yeah. Real quick, I just wanna introduce Samara to the call. I'm sure you guys all know her name but maybe haven't met her in person. This is the design outreachy intern that I've been working with. Ms. Moe, this is like your grand mentee. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah. I saw a part of your Inkscape talk yesterday. That went really well. Very good. Yeah. Thank you. Anyway, I just wanted to interrupt because I don't think she's met many of us in person yet. Yeah. Cool. I like the idea, Ms. Moe. I'm just curious like who's taking, like is one person going at this and there's gonna make some iterations and we'll like be like, oh, we like this? Or are we all kind of going at it? What's the plan? We're kind of all going at it. And I think that's okay. We're just at that stage like over time. I think, you know, you have the brainstorming just as many things as possible and then you narrow it down and then whatever. So I'm not too worried about that. Although I think- Should we take some notes and put them on the ticket with you? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And I guess we need a design for beta by the 18th which is in 10 days. We got this. Yeah. So, all right. So hold on. So I'm gonna, I'll write some notes here and I can transcribe them into the ticket. So like, so F33H is Hawking's. Okay. So what we're thinking about doing is sort of like a world from space view and then it's gonna be and how many releases we're on that chart? I don't remember. Let's see. Do we wanna do the same or do we wanna just say seven continents? Cause- It starts at F6. Okay. But before that there's raw hide. Okay. So, and it probably goes up to 32. 32. It's separated kind of by like two or three at a time. Not sure exactly why, but we're gonna get, I'm gonna have to get that info from Matthew. I'm gonna message him right now. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna talk about the one that goes roughly up. Not the one that looks like fire but the one that kind of scaled. Is that the one we're talking about? Yes. I wonder if he could craft them. There seemed to be like, I don't remember like seven or eight colors that looked like they were on it. Which is about, I would say that's like a nice sweet spot in terms of like number of continents. Yeah. There you go. But if there's more than one release per continent, then that makes doing it in the shape of the number a little difficult. So I'm wondering if we can split the data up different. Oh yeah. Yeah. So it's like 29 to 32. Yeah. You could do a subset or you could group them together. You could just do the last number of releases. Now why is F20 split out on its own? Well, anyway. So we'll have to figure out like shape of continents. How do we figure that out? And we could just do it random too, but it might be nice for the shape to have a meaning. It's maybe something to do with the numbers. Do it like a, like a watching the world from the outside. Then you can use that part of the graphic as a, you know, just a partial side view of the continent. So you don't have to render all of it. Something like this. So what do you mean? I guess I'm not, I'm having a hard time visualizing that. Can you kind of say it another way? Oh, let me look. All right, you guys, I'm going to take a quick pause and stop in the Fedora bingo. And then I'll, or the CP bingo and I'll be back. Oh, okay. All right, see you in a minute. Okay. I really like this picture. Actually, I love like this setup of this image. Let me just do it on the share. That looks great. That's I think like closer to what was in my mind except probably the patient was dropped out of the earth. So that looks awesome. That way you can only use that part of the graphic and then you'll have to do all of it. Because if you're going to do several lines there, it's going to take more time. And then you will have to divide where do you want to have the dots representing the download and all that. But, and if you want to make transitions, which is usually complicated, but it takes a lot of time, but you know, is this an idea? Then you can make it, have more lights depending on the, on the day, on that time. I think that we have that several years ago. Okay. I really, I really like this angle. And I love how you can like see the atmosphere and like the background. I think that's really nice. I think that'll be a good way to go. And I think what we could do is like do something where yeah, it's just like a land mass. And so it doesn't have to be like islands or anything like big continent islands. And what we could do is figure out where we're just going to map out where each kind of release lives. And if, you know, we have the concern that like, while this block of data applies to 21, 22, 23, 24, we could probably just position them next to each other, like whatever. And then, so the number of downloads, the lights would be spread out against the one and they'd be like together. And maybe we could do them in order for the viewer. So like we'd start with the lowest release and the lower left. And then kind of towards the upper right move to like the higher numbered releases. Yeah, and you can use each one of the sections as cities kind of reference. The divisions can be wrote and that will simplify. Maybe someone just randomized to trace some lines in between them. That would do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But for all paper usage, I will use some, I mean, the lights should not be that bright because sometimes, I mean, I don't use anything on my desktop. You know, no folders, no icons, no anything. But I know that there is still some people that use it. So it should be not that bright probably. Do you think that this one is a nice mix of brightness or do you think it's too high contrast? For me, it's still too high. But I mean, that is just a couple of dots down. It shouldn't be that hard to have it less contrast. But it's still a nice, really nice color palette. And I'm sure that we can easily just use the four colors for it. I mean, it's just gorgeous. Yeah. Okay, cool. I'm loving this idea. And it has like a deep concept behind it too, which I think is really cool. Connect everyone in the world. Right, right. And you kind of get that too, just looking at it. Like you get the thought about connection and everybody being together. Yeah. Which is also sort of a nice theme given the Rona times we're in, right? Exactly. And when it's downloads, the data's from Fedora releases, then it kind of proves that Fedora did this over time as well. Right, right. Okay, do we want to shift to 34? Sure. Okay, so 34 is I and it's UB, I works. I'm probably butchering his name, but that's okay because people butcher my name. So karma. And let's see. Oh, this is from the actual patent artwork. Yeah, I saw this before, that's neat. Yeah, I was having a lot of fun with trying to recreate the functionality of the device. And obviously I just did it with the patent, but I think you could do other things. Right. Like I think part of what I thought was would be interesting is if, because I know there's a lot of like actual cartoony type things that have been developed for Fedora over time. No, one of the ones that I thought of was like a beefy miracle, but I know there are other ones like pandas and things, you know, like you might be able to have like, because I think like typically like in the foreground, there's actually like a cartoon character moving. And then those are all the background elements that are sort of like. Oh yeah, like, I forget the name of that, but yeah, I mean it's basically like multi-plane. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is, yeah. And so like I wondered what, and again, that's kind of what I was asking about the shifting frames again, is like you could have a character progress from one side of the screen, but obviously you'd have that blending. So, but that would kind of give the illusion a little bit of like an a granted over 24 hour period of like kind of how that product works. But I think like the layering thing is really interesting, but those are just my thoughts. Okay, Paul, sorry, I got the FPL here in the chat to talk to us about this graph. He's saying that breaking up of the different releases was arbitrary. So what about F20? What did F20 do to anybody? I don't even know, like what was the thing with that? I don't remember. It was me being there. You know, I'm a middle child, man. We get the worst, it's not fair. I'm gonna ask him. Why was F20 a big release? Was that something to do with like the cloud images? Cause I know that was like F8, right? Is raw data available too? Did you tell him our idea or no? No, he's gonna come onto video. Oh, I think he's gonna flip when he hears it cause it's an awesome idea. I think he will prove it well. I think he said he had to jump onto a laptop or a different computer. Oh, okay. Yeah, the source data numbers by release, that would be perfect. Yeah, we started talking about F34 too. Sort of our cartoon properties of what we have, pandas, hot dogs, badgers. Cause you know, he's a Disney guy. Right, this is an animation. Yeah, that's multi-plane, so. I think I'm gonna have to read up on what multi-plane means. Hi. Hi. Okay, so yeah, I broke them down by the pattern of what was going on there. So F8 was a huge release because for some reason, on the individual graph of just that release, it was very, it was like twice as big as the surrounding releases in terms of the number of users for like continuing on and on for many years. And we're not quite sure why, but it might be because of Amazon using it as a base image for a bunch of things. And then never updating from that ever to our frustration. Then we had some growth up until the Fedora 15 fiasco where things like basically, almost nobody went to Fedora 15 and then it took a while, like things were on the decline. And Fedora 20 is both where things leveled out and also where we took a year between Fedora 20 and 21 instead of six months. So that's what I meant by it being a big release, like it was that whole year. And basically the pattern for each release is the numbers keep going up until we put the next one out, which caused that one to be also kind of a big spike. So I wanted to highlight it by itself. And then the green is where we started with Fedora next. And that's where we started having workstation server, cloud separate. And then the orange was, it's really kind of a continuation of that, but I also, it's when we started with modularity and I wanted to see if there's any difference there really, it really seems to be this kind of continuation of the green blob. Green and orange are also, Matthew Miller was the FPL, but that's a coincidence, really. But nothing to do with the gigantic growth. Do you want to hear our idea? Yes, I want to hear your idea. Okay, here, let me give you a quick rundown here, Alden. I can share. Yeah, okay. So for F33, our inspiration is the scientist Walter Lincoln Hawkins. He designed a specific type of plastic polymer for telephone cable sheathing. So his big sort of claim to fame was he connected all these rural areas to the telephone network that had never been connected before. So there's like an obvious thing where you could like think about this is like the theme of connections and outreach and inclusion and all these kind of good things I think that are also, we were saying earlier kind of very Rona relevant. So the idea that we had, if you've ever seen this thing before. Yes, yeah. So we were thinking something like, cause you had like the ages of Fedora. So we were thinking like the continents of Fedora, right? And then because it's about connections, like one of the ways that you can see how Earth is connected at night is, do I have it? You know, one of these sorts of things, but where's the one Tateka sent? Cause that one was really awesome. Why can't I find? Oh, here it is. So we were thinking this sort of composition and you're looking at a planet, but it's not Earth. So it's not going to be like recognizable continents. Instead, it's going to be the continent of Fedora releases. And it'll go maybe left to right, starting with like the earliest release over to the later releases. And for each really individual release we'll have the number of lights represent the number of downloads that it had. And we'll show sort of like connections between them. Does that sound good? Um, yes. I don't have numbers before six. So we'll have to make those up. Or we can just leave six out too. I mean, there's nothing to say to cover a single one. We could start at six. The other thing is like, I'm glad we're going up now, but I feel bad about that part in the middle where it was going down. So I don't necessarily want to, I want to make sure we're not accidentally emphasizing that in the. Oh, that's cool. That's just, that's where the rainforest is or, you know, the lake or something. Burning on fire part. I think the other thing too is we were talking about kind of having before different images being part of the transition. And so we'd have four different takes where more lights showed up. So it would be like. Oh, right. That's the coolest part of the idea. Yeah. So like in the morning, there's no lights. And then like at noon, it starts lighting up a little bit. And then at sunset, it starts lighting up a little bit more. And then at nighttime, like midnight, it's fully lit. You know, with the time of day. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I will also point out, traditionally we've done four because, and of course somebody's going to be pissed off when I'm suggesting this, but that's okay. We don't anymore do the different aspect ratios of the wallpapers. So it used to be, we do a wallpaper, the four images and then multiply that by four. So it's 16 because of the different aspect ratios. Well, we're not doing aspect ratios anymore. We're just doing one big thing and then it'll get cropped auto or fitted, however. So I mean, there's no reason that we can stop at just four points during the day. We could add additional points if we really wanted to. I don't think we need to. Especially if you make the files nice and small, right? I mean, that's, it's the coolest. I'm saying, let's blow it up and then. Well, we gotta fit it on the image, right? Yeah, yeah. But. No, I think four is fine. I'm just saying that like, it's not any kind of technical limitation that we're limited to four. We could do one that just shows just for like one minute at midnight, that's like. It's just like a big like beefy miracle smiley face and you just see it for like a second and then it disappears. 1237 and like, wait, what was that? That's your warning that like you're awake and it's too late to go to bed, please. You're hallucinating. Okay. All right, cool. But do you like the overall concept? Yeah, I think that's great. Do you have data for individual releases? Yes. So this is, I mean, this is generated. I have a script that generates this from a CSV file that actually has numbers per day and Smooch is a little bit worried about sharing that numbers per day file, even though I'm pretty like, I don't think there's anything I can trace back to anybody on that. But historically, we've been careful about sharing that. But I mean, actually, if you get the like SVG of this, I'm pretty sure those lines directly correspond to the numbers. The numbers might actually even be embedded in the file. But I think this, we just kind of want the sizes per release. So I could get you like the maximum number for each release. Okay, that would work. Yeah. And the other thing that's, I mean, I think this is fine for visualization. Like these numbers don't necessarily map directly to users or systems. They're just kind of an impression because, you know, there's a lot of factors that the new system is much better for being reliable, actually counting individual systems. Well, that's okay. Cause I mean, a light is lit. It could be a house or the family of five. It could be a house with one person in it. So in the same way, like lights on the earth or not, any sort of. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, cool. I'm psyched about this idea. All right. Well, now we had to come up with something for F 34. When can you get those numbers, by the way? Cause our due date is the 15th. I theoretically, whenever I used to have a spreadsheet with them in it, then I switched to using the script-based thing. So it actually is ironically harder. Probably. But I mean, it is just in the CSV file. I can, I can do it pretty quickly. Yeah, we'll either do it when I get a break between things now or bug me about it next week. And then I'll get it there. I mean, you can kind of get a rough idea from, well, this one and then there's the other like per release graph as well, which can I upload images here? Wouldn't that be awesome? You got a screen share. But if you screen share it and then like I can make a full screen and then take a screenshot of it and then upload it somewhere and post it to the chat. Or you could just screenshot it and post it to the chat. That's how I do things. Like I do online classes and I like take screenshots and I upload them because the online, I think we were using Zoom and like half the people couldn't see what the teacher was uploading. So, oh my gosh. You're processing here. You know those fancy new Lenovo laptops. So this is faster. A lot of them are sold out, you know, which is great because my daughter's Chromebook that she needs for school just died. Stuff's selling out everywhere. I guess as the school plans come out and parents are like, oh yeah, I guess my kids are going to school. I guess I will have to buy a laptop. Well, so as to not put you on the spot, let me open up the F-34 thing again. So here, let me drop in the chat. Thank you Firefox, your new thing where you only select the last word of a URL. That's always what I want. This is the per release thing here. I can almost eyeball, just eyeball the numbers from here, but I can also get you the actual peaks of that when I get a chance. Oh, that's kind of, it makes me think of one of those fancy water fountains that like a casino or something. Oh yeah, great. It almost looks like there's a pattern there. Yeah, yeah. You can see how eight and 20 kind of stand out here in this one here. So I was trying to get that in the stacked one as well. The 20 kind of looks wide. Well, exactly. It's the gap year. Exactly. Gap year release. I do like that trend upward though, man. That's nice. And you can see this has some of the data dinosaurs not taken out there with that weird pink spike near the end. Obviously that's not real. And the reason the bars are so thick like that, is because on weekends it drops down. So if you zoom in on this, it is actually basically exactly on the weekends and weekdays. So the new system doesn't have that because it actually aggregates the entire week into my number. Usually I just show the moving average graph of this because it also smoothed that out. But this shows the peaks better. I feel like we can probably even just go off this graph. I mean, we can just eyeball it enough, right? No one's gonna count every light. Yeah. Exactly. And to get variation, you might have to like do something different anyway. I mean, what's the difference between 100,000 lights and 120,000 lights? Maybe it's visible, I'm not sure. As long as they're like the scale relative to each other has some sense. I don't think it matters beyond that. And we may find if we plug it in and we put like 10,000 lights or 100,000 lights or whatever, like, oh, that's way too much. So then we'll just use some kind of factor to tone it down. But it'll be nice to be able to say it's based on the real numbers. Right, right, exactly. So in the future, if you wanna light it up even more, download, get all your friends. It's just a pure 55, 255, 255 image of everything is washed out. Okay. All right, well, thank you very much, Matthew. That was very helpful. Yeah, sure. This is a great idea I am looking forward to the results. Yeah. All right, I'm gonna jump off to see the end of another session. All right, see ya. All right, so can we do this again for F34 just as quickly? That would be nice. Yeah, so, oh, I'm not sharing anymore. Hold on. I'll share again. Oh, we have chat comments too. Oh, I have supply chain of the laptops. Yeah, you know, I had a webcam on order. I ordered it the first week of March because I figured things were gonna get bad and it kept getting delayed. It kept getting delayed. And then they said it like wasn't gonna show up till November. So yeah, you can't even buy a webcam anymore. Okay, why is this not letting me? Okay. All right. So F34, okay, yes. So the multi-plane camera, it's actually, I think is there, there's a picture of him here. And I think Madeleine put it together something too but I don't have it handy. Basically Marie, all it is, like it sounds way more complicated than it is. He just had different platforms like this, this, this all the way up, almost like a ladder but flat. And then the camera pointed down through all the layers. So you know how they do like cell animation on like those transparencies? So there'd be a different cell on each platter. I got you. And then, so like they could move, I think they, I think this was like the pioneering thing for like Snow White, like the original. And you know, like the background based on how deep the background was supposed to be, it would move at a different rate. So like if the bushes in the background were closer to Snow White and then the trees and the forest in the background were way far away, the way far away stuff wouldn't move quite as much, but the bushes would move faster. So it let you sort of make that, what is the name? There's a name for it. Like parallax. Parallax, that's it. So you could parallax stuff with the hand-drawn animation. So that's really all it is. It was just like a super tall camera with multiple planes on it. Yeah, and then I think at some point they also occasionally compressed them so they could do like zoom shots where background elements wouldn't get as large or something like that. Yeah, so you could probably like screw it or something so that they came closer together. Yeah, they like shifted or something. And then Mickey Mouse was always in foreground. Yes, of course. Did they actually put Mickey Mouse in the patent because that would be amazing? It doesn't look like that. No, no they did not. That would be such a great technicality. Like oh, he's in your patent, sorry man. No, they said they don't animate that one day night because that's the idea for the current one and that would be kind of repeating but probably just some... I have no idea if a landscape or a picture or whatever but it's likely moving. I mean, I even have that as a parallax on my website and I just place a solid background and then an SVG on top and when you scroll just a tiny bit it seems that it moved. It is actually just a really 2% so many effect. So that would be interesting. I don't know how come... Yeah, the only thing is we don't have access to like change the code to do that sort of stuff. So we're kind of limited with the framework that's already there. I mean, I mean, maybe we could bribe somebody or whatever but we don't even really have the time to do it unfortunately just because we're doing two at once. I know someone who has cake, fresh cake from yesterday. Maybe. I have cake, yes, but not time. I'm negative on time right now. Plenty of cake. It could be just a fake feeling with a simpler transition between two solid images. So I guess, I know you were like kind of focusing on like the technology behind it but I'm kind of focusing on the visual effect that it was able to create. So like thinking about having like the soft kind of almost watercolor type of a background and then having these types of objects on top that are a little bit flatter and kind of having some kind of in between layers, right? So something in between really soft and kind of artistic and something a bit more graphic. So that's kind of when I'm looking at this and I just Googled multi-plane camera and it's talking about, it's giving a couple of examples talking about Snow White, it's talking about and that when I think about those old animations I just I'm marveling at like the beauty of the background and the artwork that goes into them and then how they do the animation over that and somehow the two styles actually really work together. So that was kind of my first thought when I saw. Yeah, well, I'm wondering if we could do something, see the problem is like, you know nice watercolor background and then like beefy miracle. There's a little bit of contrast there. Well, right. I think there's an artistic way to do this and I could be the one to pursue this idea. Yes, that would be awesome. I mean, we're all kind of taking a stab at different things but if this is the idea that came to me, I'm ready for it. Okay, so do you like the idea of bringing in sort of the Fedora characters? Like the beefy and the badger and the panda and maybe, I don't know, are there other ones we have? So now I'm starting to think about like how Disney, not the most favorite is company in the world, but anyway, Disney. They kind of take their older characters and they've started doing them in different styles like offering books or art prints or whatever it might be. So it could be the kind of thing where we do and I have the background and the skills to do this kind of sketch. It could be looking like a sort of an animated sketch like an animation sketch of the badger, of the panda, et cetera, et cetera. And it could be like have that slightly more artistic look to it but I'm afraid for it to go too far like towards a Disney vibe. So I have an idea though. Okay. So with the transitions, it could start off the background is this, I have no idea if this will work but the background is the pencil sketch, right? And then the characters or sort of like you have like the circle and like the perspective lines and they're like a sketch. And then later on in the morning, you know maybe they're inked and then, you know the sunset one you have like a little bit of color coming in and then at midnight it's like full blast. I feel like with the way the transitions work it would like slowly come in and it might actually work and not look crazy. The same with the lights because you're adding or not taking away or moving. You could also fill in the colors of the background so you could have like the bushes on layer two and the tree on layer three. And then all of a sudden they're like, you know there's a base paint and then there's like some defining lines, kind of like the ink you could have like even color come in. That might be a little bit wild for a background like, you know. I like the idea of it building through the day. Yeah, but it could fill. Yeah, maybe starting the color because I think like the black and white is gonna be very stark in high contrast. So yeah, it might be good to have. I wasn't thinking. It might be good to have the pencil sketch. Oh, okay. So like have the pencil sketch and like very pale colors. Yeah, you run with it, but like, yeah that was something I was thinking we could use that time of day. I kind of like the, I like the aesthetic of the thing that Kyle put in here already. That kind of like. Like the white on the blue kind of yeah. And that was kind of my thought. Yeah, that was kind of my thought for the, at least for the sketch, how that would kind of work with the coloring. I think it needs some exploration. Like I gotta take out some pencils and some markers and stuff and like try things. All right, but like as a concept, can we, hold on, let me, I just wanted to share this. Oh, no, wrong one. There we go. Yep. Yeah. This is like the style I was thinking that like. Same. Where you have all the, yeah. So I'm wondering is there a way we can also time this? Is there a way we could tie it to the data somehow? Data for something, anything. I don't know. Well. I mean, you could have the background elements be like a graph. I mean, that's kind of how we got away with the Fedora 26 thing being like the sound wave, right? It was, you know, you could, you could have, I mean, I don't know what it would look like, but you could, you could mirror. And this is more simplistic version than maybe you do, but the graph that was in Matthew's presentation, just kind of like the increasing Fedora could be a bush here and, you know, a tree top here and something else somewhere else. That's an overly simplistic version, but you could probably hide a graph in the environment. Garrett in the, in the session chat is saying the data could become the landscape, which is I think a similar idea. Scribble at the beginning and adding in grass trees. Beefy's not good with numbers. So he can't keep it to the background. Yeah. And then, oh, you know, depending like how crazy we want to get with the characters, I was just thinking we have like an extended family of characters too, because we have the Dan Walsh, three little piggies from the container coloring book, and we have the container commando characters. We have the cat and the dog from the SE Linux coloring book. And we have another coloring book coming up that my intern Madeline's working on. It's a snow white based one for Kubernetes. So we have like a whole extended family and they all, it's kind of interesting because this is sort of inspired by a Disney guy that some of them, I mean, there was a three little pigs Disney cartoon and certainly snow white was a thing for Disney. And we kind of take some of the fairy tales for technical concepts. I have one, I have one thought to put in here is that if it gets too cartoony, we're going to get some criticism. Oh yeah. We will get criticism. That's all right. We'll get it no matter what. So I mean, listen, I love the newest wallpaper. Like I think it's great. Clearly other people. Yeah. They just like, don't get it. Like they don't get like the reference. I think that there's like a whole group of people. But for more of work with badges, there's a whole group of people who are like, well, that's just for fun. And you know, they want to consider themselves all like serious and I'm a hacker. I don't know. Like there's people. Yeah, but it's totally for the hacker culture. Like, you know, it's almost, it's like inspired by like Ready Player One or like, you know, like the old school, you know, bit artwork. And it's like, wow, that just went straight over your head, didn't it? All right. But it's, you know, I think it's all right. It might be nice for me to also get, pull some inspiration from something like Miyazaki or some anime that may actually play with our crowd a little bit more. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, if you did all of our characters in like the anime, Chibi style, people would lose it. Like they would just love that. And even though it's like, you know, characters and cartoons, there's always going to be like the grumps, okay, whatever, but everybody else will love it. We already have comments like anime, Ghibli, anime rocks. Yeah. So I think an anime look maybe or a, yeah, like Studio Ghibli has that watercolor and that, you know, uses that same style. So. Yeah. Yeah, and I think, honestly, I think that's good too because it's distances from Disney. Like yes, the animator was a Disney person, but also Disney is like the antithesis of what Fedora is all about in terms of sharing and whatnot. So it's good to have a little bit of, you know, yeah, it's cool invention, bro, but you know, we have other ideas about how we license things. Yeah. Right. Cool. And it's always, I was just gonna say, in some ways Disney is no longer carrying the mantle of like hand-drawn animation. Very true. Very true. Okay. Did anyone see Mary and the Witch's Flower? Okay, well, if you have Netflix and you're in the US, I'm not sure, Mary, if you'll have it, but it's an animated film made by one of the animators who was in Miyazaki's studio. So he has left and started a new studio, so it has like very much the same look and feel and it's such a cute little adventure. I think you could probably show your eldest daughter, Ms. Mom, I mean, maybe pre-watch it, but yeah, it's very, very cute. Anyway, just had to throw that in there. One, just to put another, hold on, I'm gonna open it up, another Disney alternative too. I'm like, I'm a crazy Irish person and that's fine. So I'll show it to you and just humor me. There's this studio, because Ireland has like a strong tradition of animation because of tax laws. Don Bluth opened his animation studio there. He used to be Disney and he's the guy who did like the five-hole American tale stuff. And I guess they continued the tax breaks and whatever. So, cause they started up all these schools for animators to study how to be an animator so that they could work at Don Bluth studio and then his studio folded and they opened up all these studios. So one of the studios is Cartoon Saloon and they have like a really neat, it's sort of unique. Like it's clearly inspired by Miyazaki, but they also kind of take Celtic, like Book of Kells type stuff and they bring those elements into it, which makes it like really unique. If you've ever seen this is from- Do they do The Secret of Kells or whatever? Yes, The Secret of Kells. And I love the visuals in that. I was like so crazy about it. Oh my gosh, that's great. And then this one is the Song of the Sea. And it's about like a silky, it's like a mermaid, but a seal instead of a mermaid. It's great. Yeah, and they have a new one that's coming out that apparently it's the Wolf Walkers. It's about, I think it's actually about Salem, Massachusetts. It's these people that are like pilgrims that are like hunting in the woods or something. I don't really know. But there's like wolves that possess these natives or whatever, it's kind of neat. That one is actually coming out and Apple picked up the rights to it. But yeah, I mean, it's just another style. They do Puff and Rock too. If you've seen that, that's on Netflix. But I just, I don't know. I like their style. It's like definitely, it's not just plain anime. It's like, I don't know, it has a little bit of something else to it. So just pointing that out. Oh my gosh, I was just grabbing a trailer for this one that I was talking about, Mary and Witch's Art. And like the opening shot is like, that's the style we should do. That's so cute. Let me see if I can do it. She's got that icy little face. That quick sketch, it's just perfect. Oh wow. But anyway, this is the trailer for the one I was just talking about. Super cute movie, definitely watch it. And it is on Netflix. Very cool. And then I think, oh, one idea that I have for the data aspect. So S33 is gonna be about the actual sort of like downloads or IP addresses or whatever. So that's like how Fedora itself is being consumed. It might be neat for 34, especially because it's like a character-focused design that it could be focused on data around the users maybe. Like maybe how many contributors we get over time or I don't even know like how many contributors for some release that was recent or something like that rather than over time. So I don't know. I think we should play around a little bit with ideas. I'm thinking about like frames per second, right? Like how can we equate like the idea of like frames per second to something in Fedora? I don't know. What about like the, I'm thinking about like some of the videos that we made. The first one that comes to mind is the one we made at Flock and Do The Past. Which is like a really awesome video. But I don't know if there's any waiting. Take it and interpret it. Yeah, I can get it on YouTube, hold on. Okay. I've probably seen it, but I can't visualize it. I honestly cried when I saw it the first time, you guys. I'm such a mush. I seriously am. It's fine. All right, hold on. Here is... Oh, good. Oh, Ghost in the Shell is pretty rad. I'm not sure if I've seen this one. Oh my gosh. Well, you must. I was not in Budapest. It's okay. It's still a great one. Can you hear sound on it, Lizbo? I can turn it on. Whoa. Okay. Can you guys hear it? No. Oh. That's fine. I'll watch it later that when people have the... Oh yeah, I've seen this, I've seen this. Yeah. It's people saying hi in their native languages. And saying we're saying... I'm from... Maybe Maria could explain she did the project. Tatika. Tatika, can you just explain what they were saying again? It was... Hello, my name is... Whatever the name, I'm from ex-country and I'm Fedora. That's awesome. I had an idea for the more people. Inspiration. So I don't know if you guys have heard of the game, Chris. G-R-I-S. It's a really... I only played it because it was really beautiful and it has a water color aesthetic. And so this is the kind of like it has a lot of layers. So I think that could also work since the multiple animation thing also focused on different layers that they had. I love the style. It's beautiful. Yeah. It looks beautiful too. Yeah, because of the shapes. It's very geometrical. Can you post a link on what is it? Gris, the art of the game. So it's got gris to your names. And the game is really... Really, I would say aesthetic overall. So if anyone gets a chance to play, they should. Awesome. I love this. Okay, we have Gris players. I have a switch. I should get that. I have a switch too. Well, my kid does, haha. Oh my gosh. It was like intuition. I ordered a switch week before COVID isolation. Oh. It was amazing. Now they're all gone, for sure. Yeah, I ordered it for my daughter's birthday like well before and they canceled the order. And so I had to buy it basically. I bought a scalped one. And the thing that really kicked me is I bought it from GameStop. I had ordered it from there. And the one that I bought that was scalped was from GameStop. The guy didn't even open up the GameStop box. He just like put another label on top. I'm like, great. So, all right. That's the same guy. At least she got a birthday present. It's like a week before a kid's birthday, you find out it's not coming and it's like, oh my God. Right. Totally. How old is that? I'm guessing it's for your oldest one, right? Yeah, she's seven. That was her seven. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know. I know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I just got her the subscription because she plays, her best friend got one for his birthday too. And they do Mario Kart because he's like a crazy Mario Aholic. And they were playing video chatting and like they would load up the same level in play because we couldn't figure out how the multiplayer worked. It doesn't actually tell you you need to buy a subscription to make it work. It just hides the button, which great. I know I thought Nintendo was better than that but that's okay. So she has the subscription that one. They actually play it together for real. Maybe it's because they don't want kids just randomly subscribing to stuff. Well, I mean, they could at least say something like, you know, tell your parent. I mean, they do have very good parental control type stuff. Like they have like this long ID number that you need to pass to the other person. It was like very, it would be very hard for a kid to like meet some random weirdo, which is great. But just let me know I have to pay. Because we didn't know, like we just assumed the game wouldn't do it. Right. Anyway. Anyway. Cool. So lots of different styles here. I'm loving this Gris style. This is just beautiful. Yeah. I'm wondering how we can bring in sort of the I am Fedora stuff to it. Like maybe what we could do, I'm just thinking like it sounds like we're going to do something that's maybe in the woods or like, you know, nature, a nature driven background. So it might be neat to have that background represent sort of where Fedora contributors are from. You know, like native plants or trees or flowers or something like representing sort of the population of our contributors. I like it. I don't know how obvious it would be though, but maybe it doesn't have to be too obvious. Yeah. I think of 26, like Fedora word thing come out. Was it in like a magazine article or something at some point? I don't remember, but that's definitely something where you wouldn't know it, but then somebody pointed out to you and you'd be like snap. I got it. Kind of like the FedEx logo arrow, whereas something like this where it's the different trees, it's a little bit more like you have to think about, oh, like I don't know. I'm a nerd about trees and like what kind of tree that is, but I think most people are just like it's a tree. I don't know. Where's that tree from? I don't know. I'm like, I'm a nerd about trees, but like spiritually. So I like don't care what kind of tree it is. I'm just like, man, that's a beautiful tree and I'm drawn to it. That's all I got, right? Sorry for the interruption. No, it's all good. I love, you know, bean trees with like the big long, they're a native to America. They're amazing. There's somebody down the street, because it's not like a tree you could like go to the nursery and buy. Like they're just like this really ancient native American tree. And it's just, it's spectacular. It's the only way I could describe it. It's just like this massive canopy and it has like these big long bean pod things which is why they call it a bean tree. I mean, it has a real name. I don't know what the real name is, but it's a bean tree. They're very cool. That griskey artwork reminded me of Steven Universe artwork, which is also super cool and has a really interesting style to it. It kind of has like this RT, I mean, it mixes different styles all together is one of the things I like about it. But this one's interesting. We're just talking about plant life, et cetera. Well, I like how that has like the sculpture in the mountain face. Yeah, that was gorgeous. We could do something with that. Panda. Ancient Panda. I was thinking of... This is a nice style. Let me see if I can find what else I can find. Here it is in the daytime. Oh, that's neat. I love this little anime then. That's adorable. This reminds me of the water color, the trees and the reflection. Yes, it does. It's gorgeous. All right, carry it away. Oh, here we go. So this is the part of the storyline, the song of the sea. They built the guy who's in the cliff face. So it's actually based on like a very old ancient, whatever story about the face of the island, like look like a man that was sad and weeping. So like there's a story about how the man cried so much that it created the sea and cause he had such a sorrow cause something terrible happens and whatever that's part of the storyline is there. And it kind of part of the storyline of the whole movie is like they rescued this guy's soul and he's freed from the rock, which is neat. But yeah, I think like if we could have some sort of mountain sort of cliff face thing, that could be like one way to represent stuff sort of conceptually, it might be neat. Now I'm thinking about Moana. Yeah, yeah, the Moana mountain. Back to Disney. But it's also like it's something where you could have you could have some sort of narrative there. I don't know if we're like trying to inject too much into it, but I just I like it to have some concept. Like relating to the invention is good. Having beefy miracle in there is absolutely awesome, but having some sort of like deeper significance is definitely like something I'd like to see. So I'm trying to think about are there narratives there or how can we connect it to our contributors? I don't know. I think there's a certain amount of like nostalgia that people see when they see those characters. I feel like if the characters are in there, I'm not sure if you need like much more than that except for it to be well-designed. And we have tons of inspiration that we've pulled off during this. Right. So I'm wondering if there's like an example of something where it shows, cause like the ones that we've looked at is all like there's different scenes that like, you know each have their own thing. But I'm wondering could we do something where it's a transition like across different modes so that, you know, like, like it's like a scene. Like I've seen illustrations where like the background would be sliced into four quarters and like one slice is winter, one slice is fall, one is spring, one is summer. Something like that where it's sliced into something but then each thing it's sliced into represents a part of the community. It could be like the geographic region they're from or it could be like the type of contributions they make. So maybe like they're sort of like the Coder slice and maybe that's very geometric like the Gris artwork. And then maybe there's another slice that's sort of like designers and like a slice for like docs or marketing and then a slice for QA or that kind of thing. Do you know what I mean? So it's like the different slices could represent the pieces of the community and those sort of like neat transition backgrounds are kind of neat too. But maybe it's just throwing too much in the pot just sort of one way to... I think just jot it down. And when I'm sketching, it'll give me plenty of different areas or ways to go down. Yeah, it could be the four Fs as well. Oh, yeah, that could do. If we use four characters. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So what's beefy? Yeah. And like how you use the characters will be interesting too. Cause I think like depending on the art style, right? Like beefy could be like a very, very, very small, you know, figure that could be disearned if you wanted to but it could just be something in a landscape. And then it's just another one of those things that you point out, you know? Like beefy is inherently ridiculous. But like less ridiculous based on the, you know, how the scene is framed and things like that. What the art style is. I have a challenge for us. Let's make an artistic beefy miracle. I have one idea actually and it might make it, it might make it more, I don't know, more wallpaper-y. If you guys know like those hidden pictures things, like of course I have kids. So like highlights magazine. So it kind of blends into the backgrounds but that's sort of like the backwards, like it's the exact opposite of what Oop IWorks Invention does. But I mean, if they're like a different, like if you have the watercolor background and then you have the actual drawn characters that are just sort of like sliced into it, that might be neat too. And they wouldn't stand out as much. So you'd have less contrast, which is good for a desktop background, but then like they'd still kind of be worked into it. Like beefy miracle is like in the bark of a tree or something, like he's the face. Right, right. I like that idea too. So I think we have enough ideas. So I'm just gonna say it. We have even more from the chat, someone saying a silhouette. Geometry plus plus. How about having multiple characters embedded within an element instead of a single character? I'm not sure what you mean Sayak. They would, people want to see the old sad king happier if we went in that direction. I need a pencil sharpener, I'll be back. And we're getting a response that someone likes to find out when there's a meaning behind some piece of art. So that's cool, some positive feedback. I think I have plenty to sketch on. And this is for 34, right? One, this one. Yeah, that's 34. One, this one. I mean, it's good to have something by the 15th for both because we're trying to do them both at the same time, but like it's definitely more pressing for F33 because that's the actual deadline for F33. So are they doing them early or? We're trying to get ahead of release and then we'll be ahead. So like this is sort of like the catch up one we're doing two at once and then moving forward will always be a release ahead. So I don't know. I plan to take it particularly easy next week. This week was really intense. So I actually think that sketching is something that helps me take it easy. And it's sort of related to work, so I'm working. Yeah. So I think I can do some of this next during the week and get it uploaded. And my thought is I'm just gonna go in, do some sketching. If people want or feel inspired to like maybe make landscape backgrounds, make that kind of like do watercolor at home, like whatever piece because I have a feeling we're gonna end up mish-mashing like a whole bunch of stuff together. So there's definitely no rule that I'm have to be making all the pieces. What's up? And how are we changing it over time again? I forgot that part. Are we changing it over time? Are we shifting things? I'd say we're already trying to do that for the other one. Let's just attempt to get something going and I think it evolves from there because I think there's too many ideas to settle on like how that evolution would happen. Okay. Okay, well, let's see. So what I am going to do right now is I'm gonna document in the tickets for both of these, the discussions we had. And what time do we have? All right, so we have an hour left. So I mean, we have half an hour to do sketches. Maybe we could get some sketches posted too. Is there a way to like? I kind of want to take a screenshot of our lovely faces. Hold on. My screenshot shortcut was not working. All right, ready? Tattica. I don't know, did you have crazy? I got a look at the screenshot. You're making crazy eyes. That was hilarious. Yes, yes, they were a part of that. Do you care to try again or is that your go-to? No, yep, that's it. Nice. Awesome, thanks Mo for taking the notes and putting them on the thing there. I think I'm gonna try to hit some of the other sessions and then take a rest before the social hour sessions start up. But this was really awesome. Cool, I just feel very productive. I'll see you guys soon, hopefully. So do we want to just take the rest of the time and sketch or do you guys want to just head off? That's either way, I'm cool. Yeah, whatever. Which, you were thinking of sketching for 34? Yeah, or even 33. I mean, we need both. 33 is the one, I guess, with more of the deadline on it. Well, I'll take the time anyway to document the notes that are wrote down. The system, okay, I'm gonna write them right now. That's just me reposting the tickets. So if anyone wants to throw a sketch into there, that might be an easier place for them to kind of all be in one place. Yeah, that would be awesome. I like keeping the tickets as sort of like the main thing because it's just like one stop shop for everything on the wallpaper. And I guess this is being recorded so I guess we could always post the recording afterwards with all my smiling about in the beginning. That'll be awesome. Maybe I can edit that out. Just, yeah, you just cut it. Well, it's not like we had access as speakers to like see how this worked ahead of time. So, I mean, I wonder if every talk is like that. Like, oh, what am I doing here? I'm gonna go take a break. It was really nice meeting you. Oh yeah, really nice to meet you as well. I had a question for you. Was your session from yesterday recorded? Yeah, I think all sessions are recorded. Okay, so I'll be able to miss it yesterday but I wanted to see it. So I'll try to find a way to watch it on the platform. Thank you so much. No problem, bye-bye. Bye. Bye. And if anybody in the chat is really excellent at Blender, please feel free to design the earth and populate it with lights. We need to get Micah. He's really awesome at that stuff. Yeah, okay. He makes like really cool materials. He could probably do like that ozone glow thing really easy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and Sylvia, I don't think, I don't know that like it's tied to Blender. I think honestly, I was just playing around with it. So if you look in the ticket on 33, I was just like, oh cool, this guy did telephone poles. I'm going to build a telephone pole to kind of like learn Blender better. So I don't know that it's tied to Blender specifically. That's just what I was doing kind of to learn. Oh yeah, no, but it would look really nice if it was Blender. And we sort of have been picking up Blender. I mean, every now and then we'll not do Blender, but it's an amazing tool for this stuff. Yeah, I mean, particularly- And it's nice because, oh, go for it. No, just like, well, we might be thinking of different things. I'm thinking just populating like 100,000 lights is not something I want to do with pointillism, right? I want to click the button and say, put lights over this continent or whatever. Right, right. And then if it's in Blender and you have the scene constructed there and we decide how that angle doesn't work, you can just kind of move the angle. Whereas if it's something that we sort of did in Inkscape or something like that, it's like, oh, I have to redraw all this. Right, yeah, particularly if we do the four views, like picking which lights should be lit up at any given time and how bright should they be? Are we, it'll just make it a little bit easier to make those decisions after the fact. The learning curve is not only steep for you, Sylvia. It's also steep for me. It's not as bad as it used to be though. No, that's actually, when I started getting into it, it was the 2.8 tutorials because the user interface was a lot easier, more sensible, at least in my brain. Yeah, the old one was not good. I started learning on the old one. So when the new one came out, it was just much easier. Yeah, I tried and gave up. I'm gonna post the image that Tika shared if I can find it again. Where did it go? Here it is. Oh, he actually gave a full link to that data, didn't he? I have to find that now. I have like 30 tabs open. It was, I probably can post it back in the chat here. Oh, that'd be handy if you got it. Yeah, there's the Imgur link right there. That's the- Oh, you say Imgur. Imgur, Imgur, Imgur, Imgur, Imgur, Imgur, it's probably Imgur. I say Imgur, like Imgurl, but yeah, who knows what it's supposed to be? Gif or Gif, you know? Well, no, it's clearly Gif. I agree on this point. Well, if it's GNOME, it's Gif. It's just how it has to be. And I know it's GNOME, so. Okay, so we have the data. We have the sample wallpaper. I have the narrative. Is there anything else? I don't think so. Oh, I guess the other note was just the lights. We need to make sure the contrast is appropriate for desktop wallpaper. Okay. So the shiny new comment notes is in 30, 30, and now I'm gonna hit 34. Okay, so, concept, I don't know what to call these cartoon guys. They're like, I don't know that they're historical, but they are historical. We'll just feature Fedora characters. Well-loved, beloved. Yeah. We will feature beloved Fedora characters, such as Beefy Miracle, and I know we're gonna get complaints about that because Beefy Miracle is offensive somehow. Panda, Badger, or there are other ones. Oh yeah, and if we need, if we need more. The extended family from the coloring books. Three little pigs, container, tomatoes, dog, cat, fans, you know, white and the Kubernetes doors. Okay, the characters will be done in an anime style. How about this? We'll be done in a style influenced by Miyazaki of the Chris, Game Illustrations. There we go, which is flower, cartoons, saloon, and the Steven Universe. The background will be multi-layered as a connection to Oob's multi-plane camera, a watercolor style, heavy on the nature, maybe rocks with characters or symbols embedded in them, trees, maybe with faces, plants, et cetera. And then the characters can be very obviously on top of the background, or if we want them lower contrast, we can embed them in the scene. Bella highlights hidden pictures, puzzles. One idea for the background is to split it into quarters for some other fraction and have each quarter influenced by a discipline or region of Fedora contributors. For example, a developer's quarter that is more geometrical. Contrast to say designers quarter. Was there anything else? I don't think so, I think that was that. Yeah, Frank in the chat is, I think I'd said that as well, but influenced by the four Fs could be the quad. Oh, yep, yep, yep. Would be an idea, which is a good one. I think, yeah, I think that's everything. There were a lot of different ideas for that one, so it'll be interesting to see how that one turns out. So I'm gonna write at the bottom. We're heavy on the ideas for this one. So some of this will be shaken out as sketches, visuals are put together. Marie said she's happy to take point on this one. So I'll assign it to her. And she also sounded like she was open to send me backgrounds of things, people were gonna do that. Yeah, she can focus on the character design. And we'd like a variety of contributors to work on background concepts and submit them here. How about that? Sounds great. Okay, cool. And yeah, I think that's good. So I'll post that. So there, now we have notes. So we actually did something, there's a record of it. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Very exciting. All right, so I'm probably gonna head out because yeah, I feel like we got a ton done. This was a great idea. Yeah, no worries if you showed up late. Thanks for coming. And honestly, this platform is cool and there's like other platforms we could use too. I mean, we could do this sort of meeting on a regular basis. Nest or flock doesn't have to be happening for us to meet up like this. I feel like in the span of honestly, it was more like an hour and a half, we worked through ideas that normally asynchronously probably would have taken us three or four weeks to do. So I mean, it kind of takes a load of stress off too to kind of have that stuff worked out so quickly. Yeah, yeah, there's a question. I can say like, that's always, sometimes the challenging thing on the asynchronous forums is like, what does anyone think of this? Right, well, it's like you put it out there and it's like, you don't hear back and you're like, oh God, was a terrible idea. It was just async kind of sucks sometimes. Sometimes, it's a great record though. Yeah, yeah, it was the thing it's good self-documenting. All right, well, I'm gonna head out. Thanks guys. Sounds good, bye everyone.