 because that's how we get ants all right okay it's not matter Scott ready to do the show here we go what you want to support independent projects and artists and creativity go to patreon.com that's P-A-T-R-E-O-N dot com this is the daily tech news and it's for Wednesday July 22nd 2015 on Tom Merritt joining me today Mr. Scott Johnson nerd-tecular man yes my new name next week we have literally like nine days or something ridiculous and we're all gonna be together hanging out and it's gonna be great I'm telling you right now it's gonna be great forget how nervous I am or how much work I gotta do between now and then it's gonna be great it's going to be amazing ladies and gentlemen also joining us Justin Robert Young who is a co-chief tin of the diamond clubs but also one of the people that will make nerd-tecular great indeed happy to be aboard yet again and to be tagging up with my old pal Scotty J if you're not watching on the video and you need to go to YouTube and see this man's hair it is like Mighty Ducks one Gordon Bombay Gorge right now well now I don't know how I feel now that you've given me that moniker I'm not sure I feel about that you know Emilio Estevez had beautiful hair oh gosh yeah and you put Emilio Estevez's hair to shame right now oh listen in the flying V takes it down well let's let's get into some headlines we're gonna talk a bit about Google's new search maps timeline thingy a little later on but let's introduce you to the concept of that as our first story in the headlines as voted by people on our subreddit a tech crunch reports Google has launched a feature called your timeline that lets users see where they've been on any given day month or year using Google Maps users of Google photos we'll see photos from that place in time as well your timeline is only visible to you the account holder as you show someone your screen users can also edit details of their timeline you can delete specific elements you can even delete the entire history your timeline is available on desktop and Android and should come to iOS at some point you would think venture beat reports that Microsoft has launched a new standalone email app they're calling it send very simply available for iPhone users in the US and Canada the app eliminates subject lines and is geared towards short email conversations might be a little bit like a text for example let's like say I want to tell you Tom I'm running 10 minutes late or okay I got it full versions of outlook will contain all messages but only messages sent in send will be seen in the sand I really felt weird saying all of that third base yeah it is a little bit up and cost dollars so you will see messages the first time you log in right mate will you well I mean you'll see the any short messages you have waiting for you right okay so it's basically running an IM client on top of mail that's what it sounds like to me and to me it seems like actually move like I don't I feel like inbox even though that's like full messages and it's kind of just another rearrangement of your existing email I feel like the attempt there is to also create a much quicker texty mobile kind of experience so it doesn't shock me at all that Microsoft's getting in on that business it's actually kind of fascinating that they we're seeing kind of industry-wide a lot of different forking for email into what is mobile email not only on the phone but also on your wrist as we've seen with some of the wearables yeah absolutely and this is another one of the the Microsoft attempts to come up with a productivity tool that is cross-platform that will work for lots of different people really interesting to me that this is for iOS first coming to Android later is not something that's unusual but Microsoft saying iOS first then Android and Windows phone is starting to become a repeated thing and it's almost as if they look at where these kind of apps are taking off and then putting the effort into putting them into people's hands I just like that Apple is preventing iOS 9 beta users from submitting app reviews with the latest build released on Tuesday according to Apple Insider beta users will see a message that reads this feature isn't available you can't write reviews while using a pre-release version of iOS the blocking is likely a result of a large number of beta users thanks to Apple's public beta program a larger number of beta users than that normally has these builds so this is the first time they've run the public beta for iOS this is it right first time or am I thinking of OS 10 first time can't remember if they did this with 8 but regardless I guess I don't exactly understand why you can't rate things even if you're a beta user I don't understand the thinking because they generally have a problem with app reviews anyway and any person who has created and put time and money into an app and then had to manage its reputation through the app store will tell you that their greatest frustration is lingering reviews or reviews about different versions and complaints sticking to the top even after they fixed the problem so what Apple wants to avoid is any kind of any kind of you know problems with an app being blamed you know that is caused by the new build being registered as a problem with the app okay that makes sense yeah because I was just going to say those same people could turn around on another iOS device and leave a nasty review with an iPad or something that isn't running the beta but the whole point is maybe these apps aren't beta ready yeah sinking into Scott's head like a slow bullet just got another thing that's sinking into people's head this is the fallout from Apple's earnings numbers yesterday and by fall I mean the stock price but sell on the news right what else did we learn well watch revenue Apple watch revenue is lumped in the other category in the public report and Patrick and I kind of speculated on this yesterday if you didn't hear the numbers verge reports that the category rose from 1.7 billion dollars last quarter to 2.64 billion dollars this quarter and that is in effect watches headphones from beats other accessories and iPods mostly Apple CFO Lucas Maestri and CEO Tim Cook both said that Apple watch revenue is well over the difference between those two numbers the number from last quarter the number from this quarter so they're essentially admitting the Apple watch accounted for more than 1 billion dollars in revenue last quarter in fact Tim Cook said Apple watch sell-through was higher than the comparable launch periods of the original iPhone or the original iPad Apple also saw 112% year over your growth in greater China that includes China Hong Kong and Taiwan however the 13.2 billion dollars in revenue was less than expected so some people are starting to wonder if the Chinese market is softening a little so they never said that they were going to release figures for the eye watch they've said they've said quite definitively we aren't going to release figures because they say it's not about transparency it's about not giving insight to their competitors which you could assume this this would be something that Tim Cook who was previously the supply chain Sven Gali for Apple during the iPod iPhone and iPad eras when Steve Jobs was still running the company that would be something that he would think about is they don't want to show how many they are moving and in what quantity so it's also you know I think the the big problem that they wanted to do was sort of just stamp out the idea that there was this huge drop-off or that is the story the story of the of the Apple watch is that the first people bought it and then that was that was it but you know listen the sharks are out for Apple I mean in a way that there really haven't been in in a while and you even saw that without people react to you know Jim Dowrymple being very critical of Apple music today there's there's just a different tenor around this company is it possible and I this may be very reductive of me okay so I say that going in but is it possible that the stock price and general disappointment in what happened with the Apple watch uh is more about the fact that they lumped it into the other category that it wasn't in its own category because it's not where phones or iPads are and is that Apple's way of saying I mean I hear what Tom's saying about let's not show our competitors our hand but is it also just a little bit of a does it get a negative sheen on it when you say oh well that thing we were crazy excited about and pounded down your throat for a year and we were super stoked about the launch we're just going to quietly stick that in the other category next to things that we don't really care that much about either that's the fight I mean you just crystallized the fight you're you're speaking the investor side which is like you're just trying to hide bad numbers from us Apple and Apple saying no we really don't care about the numbers of Apple watch at this point we care about customer satisfaction our customer satisfaction surveys show us that people are highly satisfied with the watch and we'll worry about actual bulk sales figures later on once we've had a couple of generations I think it's defensible to say it's a brand new product we don't want you investors and you press people out there beating up on the first round of numbers and killing it in the cradle let's give it some time to grow we believe in this product Justin real quick what's the upshot of the music controversy this morning what's his take why is it effectively which is funny because i've seen two gigantic very very critical pieces about apple music either of which tend to attack the things that i really like about apple music one has been on itunes connect which uh or apple music connect which has been very underwhelming and very hard to use especially for independent artists and dowrymples complaints today were about the uh sinking issues of moving all of your music on to apple music uh that that is a big hard thing to do which i mean listen sinking being hard is a breaking news wow a long time thing unmentioned in either of those criticisms is that it has a gigantic music catalog and the online streaming except when it's out like it was yesterday uh is has been fairly flawless uh and and beats one radio is kind of fun yeah i kind of agree on both points i actually think my apple secretly hoping that people like me are not caring about their existing library because i kind of don't i kind of just listening to whatever i want to stream now and i don't really worry about what i already own in the library i don't know if that's something they want everyone to do and i hope they're not doing it by making a crappy experience for that transition but we'll see and makes that that's why i don't like apple music because i'm really into my existing library yeah see and i i think there is a definite problem there because there are a lot of people like you who uh who need that the verge reports sony's mobile division is teaming up with the japanese robotics company company zmp to found a drone based surveying and inspection company called aero sense i like this zmp brings the automated driving and robotics to the party while sony pitches in telecommunications expertise and boatloads of image sensors image sensors is one of the most profitable lines for sony as it turns out lots of cameras lots of phones and stuff like that uh but it's uh yeah they're going to start gathering info you're going to have a nice little drone flying over your house here's where i get uh i kind of go down the hyperbole route they're going to watch you and it's going to be sony who's watching you and then they're going to take that data and they're going to make video games for the playstation 4 with it right yeah they're going to survey and inspect you uh no this is all about image sensors this is entirely about sony going you know where we make a lot of money image sensors we sell them to samsung we sell them to apple you know where we could make more money selling more image sensors uh who who might want to buy image sensors i don't know drone people let's prove we can make image sensors for drone people all right do we know any drone people will zmp is pretty cool let's partner up with them and make some image sensors and then maybe other drone companies like you know dji i'll want to buy our image sensors great idea let's make more money there you go come on down to crazy sony image sensor in ballerium we got image sensors for everything phones tablets drones we can't get enough of these image sensors yeah uh and and also spying on scott huawei reported a 39 percent increase in global smartphone sales during the first half of 2015 and a 30 percent increase in overall revenue the bbc reports that huawei has shipped 48.2 million devices globally in the first half of 2015 giving them an 87 percent increase in smartphone revenue due to the releases of more premium models we ever see these here that's the thing right i think that's why this is so fascinating to me is huawei is kicking it worldwide without the u.s market uh because the u.s just won't allow huawei in because it has connections to the chinese army uh you can debate whether those connections are real or not doesn't matter the u.s for some reason believes they're real enough to kind of discourage it from coming into the country they're not it's not like they're not operating here they do have headquarters here and they are trying to break into the u.s market but they just haven't been able to do it very significantly here yet at the same time that selling devices like crazy yeah these numbers are huge i just i every time i hear about them i just think when am i going to go to best buy and there's going to be a kiosk for huawei and i'm going to go away those things and and change my life you know the hottest phone ever it sure feels like it when we're over here not getting any of them china maybe that's it it's all just a ruse uh also scott i feel like there's a little bit of a grass is greener on the other side when it comes to huawei like they are doing really really good stuff but i actually i i played around with a few of them when i was in singapore and not a gigantic step up from some of the the other android uh the manufacturers or companies that make android phones out here hey the bbc reports on another wireless car hack manchester manchester uk-based ncc group says it's exploit can send data through the digital audio broadcasting radio broadcasts so you could broadcast and control lots of cars all at once essentially the attack uses the entertainment systems data display and text functions to take over the entertainment system which is then linked to the car's internal network allowing access to breaks and stop linking those maybe there's a reason why you can't stop linking those but i feel like there should be an effort made to not link those anyway ncc has simulated the attack in the company's buildings only they say it would be irresponsible to do it on the road but it will present its research at black hat if you're interested i don't like that story at all moving on to this one the bbc reports microsoft has created a special reporting page to help victims of revenge porn uh block or bury the images this is all through being as well the four mass users to confirm that they have never agreed to the distribution of images and to identify webpages on which they appear links would be removed from the being search engine and any one drive or xbox live cloud server seems like a nice forward thinking move by them uh i don't you know there are so many i mean look there's so many images on the internet it's nice to know that somebody actually cares about the one or two that you want to get removed yeah and they're not the first of the party but they're a big platform so an essential enough uh... yeah and and if there's one way that microsoft can differentiate themselves from others in the market uh specifically google it is to and this is insane welcome to 2015 microsoft being the big friendly human face uh or at least trying in any way that they can differentiate themselves from google even if google google does this already available yeah uh but and we will get to why it doesn't matter so much when google does it because of other issues with google in our main discussion topic but first the ministry of communications in gana is building what it believes to be the largest data center in west africa reports biztech africa the 500 rack data center space data one more time the 500 rack space data center will contain two petabytes of storage the primary data center will be located in acra with the secondary center in kumazi yeah yeah that's where it will be like you said uh yeah no i think this is a significant you know rolling out of data centers rolling out of spaces for enterprise and entrepreneurs uh interesting that it's government backs and probably has to be in this case but uh if you're engaged in west africa it's it's good news you have a local data center two petabytes of storage you know my theory everything's moving to africa at some point we we've done all we are getting to close where we've done all we can in china before they start demanding higher wages and prices and stuff pretty soon all this manufacturing and all this data and all these servers all move to africa and africa becomes the great new continent where all things are made and stored and then they'll get real big and then we're done and we're out of room moon moon the uk's civil aviation authority has created the drone code to educate drone pilots uk civil aviation authority or c a a has recorded six incidents between may 2014 and march 2015 where drones have almost collided with aircraft according to the bbc the most recent was a drone passing 20 feet above the wing of an airbus a320 at heathrow airport drone code says recreational drone owners need to keep their crafts within line of sight about 500 meters not fly higher than 122 meters and stay away from airports and aircraft drones equipped with cameras must stay at least 50 meters away from people vehicles and structures and 150 meters from groups of people structures man made structures i assume that means so you can get it up close yeah a monument or something right yeah any of those weird rocks you have in utah they look like they were stacked by somebody but weren't those are famous for our weird rocks i really like the open ended non-specific not very granular statement uh stay away from airports and aircraft i mean they're so serious about it it's like if it's you know we're gonna we're gonna let you know if we think it's too close so it seems like a good idea to stay the hell away from yeah just keep away from there time now for some news from you uh with lots of stories we've talked about already we're submitted on our subreddit and so we're these uh we've got one about ours technica reporting that 80-year-old ray flinn has received the first bionic eye implant to correct for age-related macular degeneration the operation was done at manchester royal eye hospital in the uk flinn went from having no central vision to at least having low resolution central vision the implant called the argus 2 from a company called second site is made up of an implant with an electrode array battery and antenna that's on his retina then a pair of glasses with a front-facing camera and a transmitter and a belt worn video processing unit so basically the camera on the glasses captures the video processed it is belt and then sent to his eye and to his optic nerve through the electrodes this procedure has been used before to correct retinitis pigmentosa but this is the first time it's been used to solve macular degeneration macular degeneration for the record i did a lot of eye studying when my early uh cataract started because we weren't sure what they were at first so i did a lot of reading a lot of studying and that is a thing that we currently as human beings do not know how to come back from so the fact that there is any progress in helping folks with macular degeneration that's a huge step forward a big thanks to hobbit from pa for senator also the argus 2 sounds like a ship from like alien or something i love that yeah argus 2 that was the best part of the story i mean we're not really restoring site is the best part of the story but i got really excited when i'm like oh they called it the argus i love that name uh hometown uh sorry hometown rival submitted a story the verge report that apple is disallowing ios 9 beta users to submit these app reviews did we do this one earlier i guess we did this one already so thank you hometown rival for that article by the way and uh stupid tom forgot to move it from up farther into the new section so i love stupid tom he's my friend and that is a look at the headlines all right let's talk about uh google's new service your timeline as we mentioned uh it shows you where you've been now really what this is is basically taking the transparent data the google google is allowed you to access your data for a long time you could access this data but it's presented on google maps for you and with a calendar view so instead of just a list of like here's all the location data we have on you you know good luck with that you can delete it if you want now you can actually go in and see it in context see like oh uh that shows an address that i really don't think people should know about i'm going to delete that or i don't really want google to know i went on that trip to that country i'm going to delete that or you can if you're if you're using it for you know helpful things you can rename a place say oh that's my jogging route anytime i run that i wanted to note that it's my jogging route uh did you guys take a look at yours so i don't have um this turned on on anything that will track it and because of that because i've never enabled that i have no data right now um but as as i'm finding myself with a lot of internet things lately something will be said and i'm not right i don't have the knee jerk reaction i anticipate the knee jerk reaction from everybody else and of course there were a lot of freakouts today talking about privacy and they're tracking you and this is big brother writ large and all this stuff i'm actually kind of stoked about it and enabled it because i want to know i mean i already know they have the data we already kind of knew that all they've done is created almost a weird transparency and said look you know that data we've been collecting because you know we've told you that we have it here's a visualization for it well and it's been transparent you could look at this data before you just maybe couldn't make much sense of it tell me just numbers ones and zeros now it's this thing that actually has a i don't know not a story to it but as has a reason to exist and something that could actually benefit you on a number of levels and you know you can start getting into well this is how i track my husband to see if he's cheating on me or not or whatever there's a lot of kinds of stories i've been hearing about today about people are worried about this but to me it's like the data was already there we can argue whether or not the data ever should have existed i suppose that may be a different argument but this visualization i'm a huge fan of visualization of all kinds and this is just a great way to see what's going on i like it i couldn't disagree more not in your in your assessment i disagree with the idea that this is a good visualization i think this is a big gigantic tangled mess of a visualization for me i am somebody for whom i would actually kind of be interested to see some of my travels because i travel for business so much in fact it always kind of makes me smile whenever i log into trip it when i use that a lot more and i would just see this big gigantic tangled spider web of all the flights that i've made over the past 12 months that to me was interesting that showed visually that i had a big adventure of a year in which i went many places where if i did not and i only went to one or two trips i would see a slingshot as opposed to a big tangled hash brown however this is just a bunch of dots on a map there's no significance as to where i spend most of my time there's no significance as to where i've done the most there are more dots but it really just to me seems like a big tangled mess of data that is more comprehensible than just giving us a big excel spreadsheet with longitude and latitude points but i don't really think my much and if anything it reinforces the most negative elements of google that they collect all your data they don't really have a sense of how to give it back to you in any kind of meaningful way and who knows what else they're doing with it when they're not giving this very engineer you know engineers dream of a user interface uh... that is really kind of not much worth to people well the terms of service supposedly tell you what they're doing with it when you're not looking at it i've kind of in between you guys i think if you live in the google universe and you're comfortable with them having the data that this is a really interesting way i mean you can you can go by time you can go by location you can drill in and see things and maybe because you've traveled so much justin it becomes less uh useful for me i was impressed when i first logged in and i'm like oh look it's got it's got seattle i was up there shooting something it's got uh you saw like city go nerd tackler it's got atlanta uh dragon con it's got austin south by southwest oh look it's got st louis when i visited my family it's got san francisco it's got la like oh it's it's really got most of the places that i go frequently then i drilled into it and it's useless uh because i don't have google location services turned off on enough things for it to have any more detail than just that surface amount so for instance the only reason that it has seattle is because it clocked that i had logged in to uh something at the seattle airport it doesn't have anywhere i went in seattle and in fact the hotel i stayed at when i'm up there is an unconfirmed location which i'm guess it's reading out of my email right it's like oh we see this hotel was mentioned did you stay there you need to confirm that so the 10 places you've most visited i look i only have four number one is home and it actually does have my proper home number two is work which it has his twit which hasn't been my work for a year and a half now number three is lax okay i do go there a lot uh and number four is uh dana brunetti's house which i went to one time i don't know why that one at one time is is in my top 10 most visited places because everything else is an unconfirmed location apparently i think i'm approaching it from a maybe this perspective it's it's pounded into me because of video games and modding the modding community and i know that you're thinking yourself scott what's the connection here but the google maps api has been this great sort of open api that people can get into and make crazy things with flight simulators to things like you know crazy ways of watching d-dos attacks and using that core system to to create a bunch of visualization with those maps i guess i just am thinking with this the possibility is there for maybe not google but for some smart whipper snapper in the silicon valley or somewhere to say oh i'm going to go mod up the api i'm going to build this and make this better so people can start spreading that around google doesn't really want to get in the business of making really fancy you know except this is not public and you don't want it to be public so you can't make an api out of it well you can make an api out of the out of what it is without the actual map data so the self may be tied to just you but you could build you could build structure and and inputs and outputs and stuff around that that is irrespective of your data it won't care you know this but this is the problem that they do not want to get back into the google buzz controversy of flipping one too many notches on the privacy dial and now all of a sudden because they are this gigantic company they get the reputation of you gave you know for for whatever reason the api reported something that i didn't want reported and i didn't realize that i didn't turn off this that the other and and this is a huge hard problem i don't blame google in saying that that this is easier they should be getting it right i don't know if anyone's gotten right in fact this to me is the great web uh and and not even just web but but software hardware challenge of our modern age we have so many great ways to get so much amazing rich data and yet the great wall that nobody has cleared is making that understandable to the modern to to the regular person yeah i travel a lot why do i care beyond just a a scrapbook of memories uh why do i need that i'm sure there's a reason i'm sure one day it'll be synthesized into something that i really get a lot of value at you know even the apple watch fitbit everything i think alice and charidom was on the show a few days ago talking about you know we collect all this data and yet you know for sleep stuff it doesn't tell me hey maybe i should drink coffee before 11 o'clock maybe i should not have i should have two glasses of wine instead of three and there's a lot that needs to go on before we understand that but that's the challenge and this is yet another uh you know skid mark on that wall uh because it has not cleared it it was only there's just i rub my chin wondering if there is only a company we could name who did that with internet data that might be working on a way to do this with all the other stuff and solve your great challenge of the stay in maybe one is all i'm saying maybe they're the guys look i think you guys are i you've got interesting thoughts about what can be done with this data but i and my wife works for google but that doesn't have anything to do with what i'm gonna say next although you don't have to believe it because of that i think all google's doing here is trying to show you what they know about you in a much more understandable way i think a lot of people are looking at this and getting freaked out because it they see like oh crap you have my route to home and work on here i don't want you to have that other people are looking at it like like like you are scott and saying hey there could be some interesting things you could do with this and and google likes that too but i feel like the point of this is like here's a much more useful way to see what the data we have on you means and it may not be as useful as it should be just and you mean you're right about that but front and center on the bottom right is your location history is on here's a button to pause location history if you just want to turn off your location history you can do it right there at the very beginning and you can go in and you can delete particular trip to like i don't want google to know that i went to borah borah you know i don't i don't need that you you gives you a whole lot more control over your data because you can actually see a little better what it means yeah it's almost you could almost look at this is not this isn't really a product launch for google this isn't even a service launch for google this is a representation of the side effect of google yeah and you you can get to it through your account preferences looking at privacy so i think that's why i feel like it's meant to be that i i kind of wish it would have been you know positioned is that that you know that it would have been positioned as hey here's a way that you can turn off privacy also if you're undefined if you're concerned about what or turn off sharing if you are concerned about i want to know more about what you are sharing then here you can you can go ahead and do that or if it if it gave me a sense of what google is giving back to me because the fact that it knows where i go or where i start at home and where i end at work i'm delighted when ways which is now owned by google knows that because it can give me little tips and tricks on how to get around it and it understands that you know it takes x amount of time you know for me to get there on average and then traffic patterns factor into that like i wanted to have that data and if it let me know where it fed in to the other google ecosystem and where it is helping me i feel like it would be a better representation of what you're saying instead it is just a big scary gray block to me it just happens to be on a map with red dots and the and the blog post does say revisiting the world you've explored which is definitely a marketing spin towards this is a good thing please don't turn it off yeah but they don't make it easy to turn off it sounds like a product and i completely agree with justin's point on that point of this like if they're if they're going to come out because they would my feeling when i saw the headline start popping up i went oh a new cool thing google made for me to mess with it'll be free and fun and exciting and that's not really what they've built here if the approach would have been more like uh by the way a reminder you can turn this stuff off in your privacy settings privacy is important to us we do collect your data when it's on but just so you know this is the result of that that would have been a much they do say that in the blog post and they do have a pause your data collection front and center it may not be what they led with though i'll give you that that's i mean like yes that's there but if that was the point it should be a big pause button that says hey do you want to know what this means before you press it like and i don't mean i don't mean on the page i mean instead of the map like i need to be a big red button i mean if the point is you should understand and have an opportunity to turn off these things then that's the point the maps not the point the data is not the point your privacy is the point i disagree with that i think the map is what gets you to go whoa wait a minute well how did they get this about me how do they know this i didn't know i was sharing all this data and i think that's the best effect of this even whether that's their intention or not i think you guys are right it's probably not oh yes if if we were just trying to get if we were an activist and we were trying to get people to understand how much data google has on them that's what we would do to try and and and give people an idea of the the the gigantic amount of data maybe that's how they're looking at it they're very smart people at google that are doing very very very smart things i just think that this again and no fault to them is not human enough to be a step forward and is not transparent enough to be a warning as to what they're gathering i think the reactions to it uh show that maybe that's not as true as you think it's been pretty visceral yeah but but then but then my brain says it's always pretty visceral visceral even now that's a good point too yeah we kind of just hate things because they exist on the internet sometimes so that man now that i think about it my point is doesn't mean anything google wants the thing and people reacted like they hate it that doesn't prove anything that opinion stupid tom and i hate it all right let's get to our pick of the day uh comes from dan goose's goose sack who wanted us to point out the diamond club dot tv chrome extension extension helps let listeners and viewers know when a channel goes live on diamond club dot tv by 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here maps division to automakers he says with nokia selling its assets and bing transferring some of its imagery assets over to uber is google maps the only player left anymore seems to me that the only people interested in mapping software are the ones for whom it's a central part of their business and where they want to avoid paying high transaction fees to google for using their maps but those players would only want the mapping software for their own products or devices and not for general use by the public in which case it's safe to say the google maps is the only player left in the game for maps for general use uh took a look harish it's a good question here licenses its location platforms to a bunch of other companies including amazon including bing including yahoo flicker sap and oracle uh so if the automakers buy it then we'd have to see if they shut all of that access off there's also apple maps which is apple making maps for itself and its users there's yahoo maps which is a combination of a bunch of different sources i think uh as we mentioned nokia here is one of them uh there's map quest don't forget still exists there's the open street map project and there's company called tele atlas which is kind of like nokia here they provide back end data to a lot of different people uh okay knowing that what how would you guys answer this i mean it doesn't seem like there is like a pure consumer play other than google maps and open street map well they kind of swooped in and and took that steam from everybody i mean remember when map quest was the thing that was the thing that's how you found stuff that's how that was the only way google swoops in they do their thing and then you just kind of forget it's to me it's like search engines there are other search engines clearly they're all out there doing their thing being yahoo and everybody else and you still search lycos if you want but google came in 98 or whatever was and changed the way we saw search engines to a degree that they became the Kleenex of the brand or of the of the technology of the space and took it over so to me it's not that surprising that they're the name associated with maps now but there'll always be some alternative like we've seen here there's always going to be somebody and whether or not they you know whether or not a third party like a car manufacturer or somebody else decides to use google maps over somebody else will oftentimes just come down to well what makes the most sense for us seems like the google stuff is cheaper or it's free or it's whatever so let's do that so i just think google google just does what the google does that's how they roll well especially for something that is as a kitchen table important to so many tech consumers this is a very odd industry because you don't see a lot of the publicity for like the smaller companies that these you know gigantic behemoths kind of regularly sort of gobble up every once in a while they kind of like come across your radar when somebody wants to issue a press release about it but by and large these companies are all always getting better and one or two of them going down and being absorbed by the other ones tend to just create better products so i think it's kind of a you know it's not going to be a major thing you know if you know if the automaker shut off the the the access for you know yahoo being amazon sap and oracle or if they start selling more of it to apple and map quest or whatever you know and that that's the thing right it's hard to answer this question because the front ends that we use are not pure google maps doesn't use only their own data they pulled data from a lot of different sources now they've cut off a lot of those sources of google maps apple maps doesn't use only one set assert the data neither does yahoo maps either does map quest so there's providers of data like nokia here at tele atlas then there's hybrids like google maps where they collect some of their own data they license out some of their data other people and then they use some of it only for themselves uh i think it would be stupid of the car makers to not license out nokia here to other people yeah it would make sense and there's i mean just to reiterate on the fact that the stuff exists in other ways there are multiple open source projects in the works out there they're range from something very small to something kind of big like the cutest project which is a free and open source geographic information system and their goals may be different but it's not like i i i i guess what i'm saying is maybe on the consumer level where do i go to get my map info google google will be the thing that comes up for people in their head but there's always something going on yeah i don't think nokia here being transferred even if the car companies kind of rope it off is is going to change the landscape yeah and also it seems very very likely that they would just keep it going if just because as a group purchase it makes it cheaper for all of them if it is still drawing money now juice who says he they uh in slightly warmer than last week melbourne uh says i thought it was insanely irresponsible on the part of both the wired journalist andy greenberg and the hackers to do the car hack demonstration on a public highway anyone with any sort of common sense would do this test on a private road or racetrack but not a highway the sheer stupidity of this is mind-boggling quite frankly if they endanger themselves through their childish decisions and behavior that's their problem but endangering others because of your sheer stupidity is another kettle of fish i went to twitter because i'd seen a lot of people say this in reaction there's even a video of greenberg driving the car and showing what happens he doesn't come close to an accident there is a semi coming up behind him at the semi sees that he's slowing down but a lot of people say it doesn't matter he could have that could have endangered someone someone might have not been able to tell that he was slowing down i don't know that he ever went below the legal minimum for the interstate but nobody seems to be defending this i haven't even seen wired react to it although i may have missed it uh do you guys agree with juice or do you you know i i think i could make an argument for why this wasn't an issue but i kind of think it was irresponsible as well i think it's entirely irresponsible i don't know why they couldn't do it in some other way i maybe am not as you know upset about it because i don't know maybe i'm less upset about things that went okay and now we have some interesting data but going into it i don't know why they didn't do that in the first place maybe it was to just demonstrate more clearly how dangerous this is by doing it in a live situation but to show it's like this is for real like this could this is what could happen and that's where i would defend it is that if this is done on a racetrack if this is done on a private road it's a tech news story this and i don't know how much it's really broken outside of our sphere but if like this is the kind of stuff when we saw what happened was it you know 12 years ago with the firestone tires on on the suvs and how that became a big gigantic national story because they caused rollovers this is more important than that uh and if the point is this is insanely dangerous and we don't want to see this end in in a fatality because it gets out and some irresponsible hacker wants to uh you know do something that is that he doesn't he or she doesn't really understand and really hurt somebody then uh the way to uh like like you said tom make a big clearing called it like stop connecting some of these systems only happens when a big ugly truth confronts us what's the difference between that ugly truth and reckless endangerment though like there is i'm waiting for a wired explanation because the defense that i could see is that they would say like nothing was going to happen that couldn't happen anyway to a car under normal operating conditions sometimes engines die and people have to coast to the side of the road uh and and and that that is what they were doing the other thing is you you see this in the video but i don't know if it was made perfectly clear in the article unless you read it all the way through the fix to the transmission being killed was to restart the car as soon as you restart the car you gain control of the transmission again and you hear in the video the two uh the two security researchers saying restart the car we told you not to panic and if that's the case i could see them rationalizing it saying we will always really be in control of the car sure the transmission will be cut but that's no that's no different than than some kind of normal thing where you just have to slow down uh that is not reckless endangerment slowing down on a highway as long as we restart the car and gain control and maintain illegal speed then we're not breaking any laws and i could see that being their defense yeah would be interesting to hear them actually do that and i don't know what the likelihood of it is i guess it depends on the heat that comes from this but i don't know i'm torn because justin's right this is a better as a it's over with now here's the data demonstration this is a more powerful one because of what and like yes is it reckless is it is it uh stupid uh sure probably you can make a really compelling argument but is this a problem that is just sitting there waiting to be a bigger uglier possibly deadly problem in the future yeah and demonstrating it on an open highway and not a controlled setting like a racetrack or a private road i think is a more powerful demonstration that this doesn't need perfect conditions all right that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show thank you justin robert young satchamania running wild right there on your shirt whoa let me tell you something brother uh i'm so i'm so uh annoyed because i can't make uh the windows 10 uh episode tomorrow with with mr paul thrott uh who i'm very excited to see his reaction to the satchamania t-shirt uh but yeah go ahead and check me out justin r young on twitter and rumor is possibly within a week we're launching the big fat contender kickstarter a brand new card game that you are going to want to have in your life more on that at contender game on the twitter scott johnson has gotten her tacular on his brain that's it that's all it's just going over and over and over again because it's going to go perfectly i can't of course it will part some people say that it goes perfectly because i worry about it right up to the last minute but uh one way the other we're gonna have a blast i want to let people know if you've already got tickets you're coming if you are there then you already know what i'm about to tell you but for those who can't come or just like to hear some of these panels 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okay uh um did you have to let it linger did you have to did you have to after it after it after let it in here do the cranberries in my jam back in the day all the cranberries oh man i raised my zombie zombie the summer of musical titles because we also have all in all just another skid mark on the wall which is nice oh i did like it when justin said uh uh crud all right uh i'm gonna i gotta go i'm gonna go go go go make the hearthstone make the hearthstone action let me know how it goes dude all right man but yeah that's exciting i did it i feel like we've had that one like that we've had that one before though either submitted if not accepted you can never have too much frank sanatra just saying don't it was just listening to frank sanatra yesterday i listened to frank sanatra more than i should possibly what was he saying to you did you see the doc about it about frank the documentary yeah yes scott did you see the documentary yeah but yeah i've seen it but i haven't watched it it's so great i'm gonna i'm into that it's so unfiltered and like not they really they do it um um what do you do i'm like in huawei's on their way up yeah just because i'm worried that i did it huawei has been done before could be all and all just in the skid mark on the wall what was that car no it was uh microsoft yeah was it i'm trying to remember now oh he's saying that on the wall of progress towards having usable that google only made a skid mark with this new thing on the wall let's take him to something else but okay because they've been moving and they they bumped their dresser okay that's what that's the man that's always on their way up now the time has come wouldn't it be funny if it was huawei's on their way up now i'm going to be singing frank sinatra for the rest of the day why no why no why no why no why no they're worse i've got the world on a strike you know whenever i hear also fly me to the moon now i can only think about space cowboys fill my heart with blood oh yeah that's i i love me some croonery business period but i'm a big tony benet guy he had kind of a re not a reimagining but um he was kind of like back in a popularity back in the early mid 90s i know he used to appear at my college all the time because my boss more recently than that even yeah well now that's his first resurgence um in the 90s yeah i used to think alex benet appeared he was on lady gaga's uh christmas special hey that's great yeah it's great i got great that's alex balvin doing tony benet what's jimmy durantz would make a resurgence yeah right out of the guarantee i don't think he can research because i don't think he's alive i understand but you know i like i like the tribute band uh that does um songs in the voice of jimmy durantz called duran durantz but they only do duran durantz songs oh man i just saw a photo of the uh of the bar that justin just ran off to and it is wall-to-wall packed yeah yeah he's gonna have fun trying to get everyone get in here yeah he's gonna grimp patron his way in isn't he a huge line out front holy crap well lindsey's there i love lindsey lindsey yeah lindsey um from blizzard she's the pr um over parts oh cool over a bunch of other stuff but not lindsey buckingham no i was trying to explain to my kids the other day why lindsey buckingham has for buckingham has a lady's name and then why uh the other what's her name um oh steve nicks nicks has a boy's name and then why when they sing she sounds like a dude and buckingham sounds like a lady they just couldn't get they can't get that whole band figured out it's because he's english and she's not well yeah lindsey is a man's name in many parts of the world on the other hand oh i'm sorry i was referring to their uh the vocals why he sounded you know in many ways it's kind of like the jefferson's well this obviously had the was a short high pitched voice guy that's true the true she and wheezy had a heavy voice but but it's the irony of it all is this is my uh 18 year old daughter whose name is carter which is totally could be a dude or a girl's name asking the question so that's the last name yeah exactly it's chaos it's chaos is what was happening and then you have john scalsy named his daughter athena oh well that's great which means that she's more stronger than all of us yeah why she's a goddess are you zoos you know athena well i know i knew a guy in zoos in college his name was zoos you do you get powers she's more powerful than everyone but your friend used to come to the class late he had powers but didn't have the power of punctuality apparently that's that's very zoos like i think isn't it unless he comes in a shower of gold coins i'm zoos i don't have to show up on time i show up precisely what i mean to like a wizard no no i'd be kind of funny i would like to see the olympian gods in in middle earth that'd be kind of a nice little mashup there was a great game diablo like game in 2006 called oh crap oh uh for my iron oh you're talking about the uh it was all greek gods at roman yeah yeah i have it's a titan or a throne of titans or titans no i have that on the expansion j crew of titans hold on not a throne uh no oh crap diablo third diablo clone right in quest right in quest uh what a good game that was it was great it was exactly like diablo exactly like diablo really well made and they were it was beautiful even now it still looks good and they were um they were all your ex and other guys too so oh is that why okay it was fun yeah really fun it was maybe one of the best ever diablo clones ever made i've always been kind of partial to kind of greek mythology just because i read it so much in school um but i found like a lot a lot of games really just don't do it very well even like god of war was kind of like hey you know you have all this material you made it really simplistic who's the greek god of currency stability pluto ladies i guess though he would be in greek pluto this is roman thing janice janice janice from accounting janice associates that's what we used to say janice that's why there's a janice capital group right right it also means two faced so never trust anyone who deals in money he's always the one that's um janice from accounting's birthday there's donuts in the break room she's like the great stereotype name at a business i love that name it can also be an artist janice joplin that's right not only am i not only do i fight the system but i control your currency no grexit no peace nice yeah that'll be the a g in seven grease uh if you want to keep up on the uh the current greek financial system be sure to turn into current greek every friday at four o'clock with tom and scott yeah it won't it won't it all be about a special effects artist this week it'll be all about the greek it all it's all it always is i have a friend who's greek who just paid his fantasy baseball dues and i realized that i should have made some kind of greek currency reform joke to him now it was a missed opportunity nice wait is he in greece right now or is he just greek he's in chicago he's a greek dissonant a euro i had a town actually i could go for a euro right now i'll go for it's a it's uh you could go for a euro or a hero hero i wanted to make an increase should do they should adopt the hero as their currency i wanted to make an auto gyro a machine that makes a sandwich it's like a little machine but you just call it the auto gyro the auto gyro i like it and then you it would literally take the meat from i don't know what do you call it the um the thing that stands the big lamb slog slog saying whatever they use it don't work about like the basically everyone in the mediterranean shared recipes yeah um our bobs goods they would be that and they would be at arm would just cut down and then the little machine would catch it roll it up and then squirt in the appropriate condiments my um my wife's my first date with my wife we got greek uh a euro at a place oh oh just one yep no well one each and just one i was a little i was a little tight on money that month oh unless you do the lady in the tram they're salad days Scott calls it his hero days yeah you you uh you'll lamb meat up to and then you kiss at the end and then be embarrassed that you big fat hero yeah you were so into your lamb meat and yogurt sauce that you forgot how close you are but you're like some of my balls my falafel balls i'm putting in headlines for more in stream and also i pay attention to talk about balls and heroes and what's going on here we're talking about falafel sure you are and now a falafel that he made that pun oh oh oh you are the god of puns puns i must be drawn yearl this far no yogurt sauce okay folks i believe that's the end of this party but the party continues later on today somewhere go find it i'm sure you will good luck