 Public comment, you want to join us here at the hot seat? Okay. I assume you're the, well is there anybody else here for public comment? No. No. Okay. Hi Tammy. Hi. Do you know everybody on the board? Let's do introductions. I'm Mark Mahoney. Oh hi. You know me. I know everyone else. You got 15 minutes Tammy, I'll cut you off. I promise you that. Okay. Got things to do. I was just thinking a couple things today, another thing came up and it seems that probably there's nothing going to be done about it but I just wrote my bike out, cranberry metal and I started seeing all these wildflowers on the roadside and I said, oh wow, Woodbury must not mow. And then on the way down here I was looking at our roadside and how ugly they are and there's no wildflowers except for where the effing mower can't reach. It's ugly, the state seems to do it too on the interstate, Vermont. When I was growing up as a child, Vermont was known for its roadside flowers and people came here to see Vermont's roadside flowers. And why? It was a sudden drive to mow down all this natural beauty that we have available to us. Some of it is there's wild turtle and that parsnip. That doesn't get it all, either. I just saw it all. Yeah, I know. That's the goal for some of it. Some of it is for sight distance and people are touring quarters and stuff. There are a lot of reasons. They're basic maintenance to keep heavy brush from growing in. There's no reason for us to not work for me, but I appreciate it. We've been active with the turtle and we worked with Forest and Parks on this and they recommended what? Two, three? Five. Five? And we're not getting there. Five, five, five, five. No, it's a year. It's a year. And I agree. I know where there's no turtle, the flowers are excellent. But the turtle would take a better real problem. The turtle, yeah. You probably heard about turtle. It's such a hard thing to balance the beauty and the natural that we want. But we're not going to stop the turtle by mowing. I think that's been proven too. Because that almost serves to spread it and not the turtle. It may even spread it further. So I don't think it's a good excuse. And it's ugly and that's okay. So I got my things said and as I said at the beginning, I know that there's nothing that people are going to do to change that. Well, not just so I want to further inform you. We're trying to mow before they go to seed so it doesn't spread. Whether we're successful or not, this is really an experiment. You know what? I notice every year, I'm like, oh, I have the wild flowers. Beautiful. You've got the buttercups, the daisies, which I thought were eradicated. Thank goodness there's so many out in Woodbury. And the clover and all these things that serve the pollinators. Milkweed. And just when they are at the most beautiful, I see that more. And it is hacking and chewing and cutting little trees. And it's merciless and it's cruel. And it's basically a violation of the rights of nature. It's ugly practice. And it's very unacceptable. And if we no excuse that, that would work for me. So we also have the situation with the constable. We don't have a constable right now. So we don't have any local law enforcement. And we have two fire wardens that have had a gun pulled on them that are refusing to go to a burn. So they're refusing to do their job because they're scared. And I've got a loaded gun. I just went and I shot, did some more shooting yesterday just so I can protect myself. But I'll go up back and talk to my neighbor and give him a hard time. And these days you just don't know when someone's going to pull a gun. But that would be burning plastic. And your fire warden can't even come and address the situation. He said, I'm not coming out at 9.30 at night. I said, well, can you come in the morning? I never saw anybody. They could get back to me and let me know. Nothing. So they never got back to you? To me, I'm sorry. I don't know what went down with the gun. But that was really wimpy. That was really cowardly. What do you mean what went down with the gun? Well, they said they can't go to a burn now because someone pulled a gun on them. So in that case, we need a constable that could accompany the fire wardens to a burn or maybe seek out new fire wardens because he's like, well, why don't you be the fire warden? I'm sure. We were talking about what might be the credentials that you have to have. So that would be with all of that and the importance of having looked at law enforcement with the way things are going in the world and so many more people moving in here. I would think that it would be very important, more important than buying a mower, would be to pay the constable. I mean, I can't believe a constable would be an unpaid physician. They've got to go and get all this police. You do? It's not a full-time job. How much do they get paid? It depends how much time they have to dedicate to an effort. There's a special effort. Let's just say I'll leave it at that. We're having a particular problem where they're consuming lots and lots of hours. We pay them an hourly rate. Okay, so it's not set 20,000 years? Well, it's a stipend unless they have some unanticipated expenses and leveled effort. So what do you mean a stipend? So that's an annual stipend that's paid once a year and if they amount. I think we budgeted 1,000 for this constable. Not only does constable only have a whole lot to do. 1,000? That's all? It hasn't, which is not a lot and it's not been a big job. It hasn't been a big job and before that, the stipend amount is fairly new. We've only done it for a couple of years. But normally these types of positions just like select board, planning commission, all these people are just volunteers. I think we should think about that for everyone. I really do. I mean, this is important work. It's sort of like I feel with employment anywhere. If you pay your employees well and compensate them and treat them well, then you get a much better job. I'm not saying you're not already doing a good job, but if we want more active participation from the community, they will just not get it. We need to make these positions more important, put a value on it, put some money out there. Fire wardens should be getting paid. This is very dangerous. They've had their life threatened and now they don't dare do their job. So something, I think that the console would definitely need to work with these fire wardens. And if they're going to attend a burn, like anything, that they work together and someone is carrying a weapon. Unfortunately, I mean, I never thought I'd fall back down. I do. I'm not changing the subject, but did you try calling the ancient natural resources enforcement division? Oh yeah, he's been out. Ryan's been out. He looked at the pit. He said, yeah, that's all unacceptable. I'll call him. So he called the man. Of course, he's one of these messages with some, you know, automated thing. Please leave a message after the beat. You don't know if you're getting him. So then he went and that was Wednesday. Ryan came out. His friends surprised me and showed up and blew my mind. They were talking to me and he showed up. He was, Ryan's funny. He went up and I said, we can move. You can drive up and he said, I just went to Holland in the truck. I need to get out. So he walked up and he goes, yeah, it's all acceptable. And he said, hey, by the way, you got to get up there and pick some of those wild strawberries. There's so many. So he went and so called, left the message. Two days later on Friday night, the trash was burned. Again? For the first time because it sat there. There was evidence of burned plastic, burned glass and cans, were all crushed there. And then there was strips of plastic. There was a plastic clear bag, a big one stuffed in there, painted wood, a whole bunch of cardboard. So Ryan did, but Ryan's just gotten assigned to another area because there was like somebody died or retired or something. That's totally not the same thing. So he contacted them for what number he had. And I was actually, what's today? I was going to call the town clerk. Today is Monday, right? And see if they had any updated contacting information on him, on Mike Perry. But when something like that comes up and you've got people burning trash and tearing up other people's property with a vehicle and parking on other people's property and being blurred, sure. And threatening. We need to have, I need backup. I mean, I could call a neighbor if they were home. They told me to call them if I need anything. Yeah, be careful, Tammy. Yeah, be nice. That's where Ryan's job is. He did come out and you can... Well, he said he didn't know when he'd have time to get back to Calis, but Peggy said, Peggy Bowens said she wouldn't be surprised if Mike had guns. Tammy, I'm going to... I'm up almost. Yeah, almost. I do want to tell you. So good news. We doubled the costable stipend in the upcoming budget. So it's 2,000 now. Which is, you know, 100% increase. Not that it ever was. We just barely started doing the stipend because we agree that it's an important position. I was thinking 20, and we do have a problem with speeders all over this town. And wouldn't it be great if they could... That could be addressed. That's something we're working on as well. And also, Tammy, the other night after we spoke, I don't... Sometime over the weekend I wrote up some notes and shared our conversation with the rest of the board. So even though you're not being a chance to say everything, they had a heads up and the United spoke. Right. Let's go to get the word out. I talked to Jan Olson. She's really kind of full of me. It wasn't really her thing, but that's what... I think maybe Peggy got confused. She said her sister called her, so... Thank you for coming. Thank you. Think about... I froze up 30 pints already. Vermont strawberries. They're all Joe's Brook, I think, from both collages. That's amazing. I think I ate all of them. Most of them. But now I'm going Thursday and we're right around opening to see what plywood has and see if they'll let me buy. How many or do I have to leave some for being nice and leave some? And Tammy, just one other thing around these paid positions. Today is June 27th, so we're literally three days away from the beginning of a new fiscal year. It's about being a whole year. I just want to make sure that you're aware of what might feel like a long time. It is a long time, because the budget got approved in March for this coming year. That is hard. So you're saying we couldn't increase the constable's pay? How many meetings? You have to make a motion. You're allowed to amend the budget on the floor. We'll be here before we know it. I know. It's just really some of our party thinking about how many. If you want to get signatures from a bunch of people. If you want to put an article on the morning for this, you'd have to come to the select board. You can do a petition, but we haven't often required that. But we could put an article or, as John just mentioned, you can come to town meeting in March. It's a long time away, but we can't change this. We want to get it on the article before then. But another opportunity is to amend the budget on the floor. Let's wrap, guys. Thank you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Thank you. I don't think my guys are going to come and do any work until fall. I've got plenty to do. Get ready for that. Yeah, sure. Bye. Thank you, Tammy. Are there any additions or changes to the agenda? Please mark the changes to the agenda. The warrants are circulating. The next item on our agenda is the consent agenda, and we have two items on that to prove our minutes from the last meeting, and to be seen of an item around the agenda. I have two things. I wondered if we could do the minutes at our next meeting. With everything else going on, I hadn't had a chance to review them. I think I helped fill in the blanks, but I haven't had a chance to review them. So we're taking those out. We're taking that out. The other thing is, I've been working and communicating back and forth with the bank, and I asked them to send me the paperwork for the meeting tonight. I haven't received it, so what I propose is that I will track it down, and if the board approves it, I'll drive it around to everybody's house and get a wet, they call it a wet. It has to be a wet. It has to be a wet. It has to be a wet. It has to be a wet. It has to be a wet. It has to be a wet. Seconds. Any other discussion? Do we need to put it in the minutes? The document's never arrived and I'll make sure it gets signed. Lisa will write that down. That's cool, I think Lisa is not here tonight. When you get it posted, she's going to take the minutes from the recording tonight. Okay, thank you for the meeting. Okay, all in favor please say it. We had to talk about three things and get one piece of clear business stuff. Okay. Right? Yes. That's what you want. You want to go ahead and take a leave on this. Server closet? Yep. Okay. So the background on this is that I work next to the town's server. I don't want to anymore. I don't think it's safe. It's loud. It's warm. And it's taking up valuable space. And it's, I don't, there may, maybe there's health ramifications. I don't know. I just feel like it needs to go away. It should have been done a long time ago. You mean the server and the Wi-Fi? Well, the Wi-Fi is, there's Wi-Fi in the attic, but there is a little Wi-Fi box, but yeah, the whole station would basically move. So currently there's two closet spaces in the town office. One of them is kind of the maintenance room and has all the pipes and all the things coming in and the water pipes and all that stuff. The other one is the supply closet that is basically being underutilized. And so my proposal is to have that updated and have basically is like kind of three steps. And I sent along estimates, Andy would come in and knock some stuff down and put up some nicer shelving and make the space that we need to be able to put the server in there, which is kind of like a big box on wheels. This is the current. That's not current. That's the supply. That's the supply closet. That's what we want to do. Is it that you're shifting? Are you switching the function or are you knocking down a wall and making it one big space? No. It's the same. It'll be the same closet. We're just going to configure it so that there's, that the server lives in there and all the office supplies would live in there. It would just be a better use of that closet. But there's two closets, so the server closet and the supply closet. No. There is no supply closet. Server closet will be one. The other one is like the mechanical courtroom that has. Oh, okay. So that has nothing to do with this. Yeah. Correct. There's the supply closet and there's the maintenance thing and then there's the bathroom. Yeah. So step one would be Andy comes in, guts it a little bit, puts in shelving, creates the space. Step two would have Howard Kirby, who would be a contractor come in, run all the cabling through the attic, just all sorts of stuff up to spec because he does large tech projects. And this is his cockpit, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And then step three would be to have Holland come in and physically unattach the server, move the server to the closet, reattach the server and then run whatever tests that he needs to do to make sure it's back online and everything's good. Do you need to air condition that space? Because I mean, they generate a lot of heat. So in the design, there would be, there would be like slats cut into above the door just to provide. Is that adequate? Or is that? Yeah. Going to Holland. Okay. As long as it's vented to the space in the office, it would be adequate. Even in the heat of the summer. So I have a total, like if you add, I did look up, and I'm sorry I didn't have that beforehand. The hourly under our contract, the RV tech would be $130.50 an hour. So if you add up his estimate, which was five hours, Kirby's estimate, which was $24.41.57 in the estimate of $2,000, the total is $5,094.50 as an estimate. What does the Holland tell us of that? Holland is $130.00. $130.00 an hour is the rate for RV tech. $5.00. So that's $6.50? $6.52.50. $6.52.50? Okay. Estimated rate. So the total would be $5,094.07. And my proposal would be to have that come out of the town office fund. Currently has about $57,000 in it. I'm just going to say we should always remember that we're going to ask you to like that and bump it by 20%. Yeah. So adding another grand or something just in case is that you come across problems. $5,994.00. $5,094.00. $6,000.00. Yeah. $60.00. With a 20% buffer is $6,113.00. I think that would be sufficient to get the job done. So if we said around it off like $62.00. I think we'd be pretty sick. And it's coming from the town office. So there's a fund. So in any updates, changes, building of an office for the treasure, all this would be the first step in any of that. And the town office fund has what in it now? It's about $57,000. As of, well... As of July 1st, we'll be cleaning in another five minutes. It'll go in. So yeah, the June number was, yeah, there's quite a lot of money in there. This basically gets covered from even the delta that's going. Okay, so. All right, so... It'd be a good move. So does anybody want to make a motion on this? On my promotion. Sure. And your motion piece is... I make a motion that we authorize Jeremy to proceed with converting the current closet, supply closet into the server closet, and authorize him to spend, not to exceed $6,200 to be taken from the reserve fund for the work. Town office reserve fund. Town office reserve fund. I'm just mentioning this. Mark, do you want a second? Second. Thank you. Any questions? Well, I think I'm the only one I've got is on the heat, and maybe we're talking to Ruben just to verify, because I know we build a lot of IT closets, and they generate a lot of heat, and those circuits don't like heat. So just to make sure that you're... It isn't... If I mean I... Yeah. It sounds like you've already addressed it, but I... I can readjust it. I think probably what the fix would be would be to purchase a mini-split air conditioner that would run a couple months of the year, just in the building itself. But I... Or a little fan. Yeah, I mean the door can go open. We have to move the air for sure. As long as it vents into space, it's fine. You can leave the door open. There's a window that could get opened. Yeah. I talked at length with Holland, who's kind of my main guy that I work with, and he didn't have any concerns as long as there was a way to exchange the air. Some vents cut into the wall, something, that just as long as it can exchange with the ambient air in the building, he didn't have any concerns about that. I think you just want to high and low. You know, you want to have a cold air return at the bottom, and you need something fine. Okay. Okay. So, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? No. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. That would be a nice... And it's a nice first step just for, like I said, for anything that may happen in the future in terms of building an office space for the treasurer or whatever. I mean, there's money and a fund, and that would be the first thing that would probably need to happen. And this will accommodate that. And that's because the server right now sits like literally in the queue. Right here. And it's right here. Okay. Yeah. And it does take some time. It'll be nice. What I'm going to do is come... I'm probably eventually going to have to get an upright cabinet and I would be able to create a small area for mail so that we could have like kind of a dedicated area to process mail that's going out. So it would be really helpful. And then all the office supplies will go in there. The listeners have office supplies. I have paper like in the vault. Like all of that will be accommodated in this new closet. So that would be good. That would be nice. It'll be helpful. Yeah. And a free app. So it's like when there's space from the vault that's freed up and everybody has one place to get office supplies and then it would be securing, you know, stamps and things in my office. So they're not just sitting in a closet. Great. So we have a few more minutes. We had a couple other things. You want to talk about paint touch up? I haven't gotten a quote yet, but Tom Frost had touched up the paint not last year, but perhaps the year before. This is inside? Outside. We had chatted over the winner. His suggestion was to have a quote done after the winner's over to account for whatever extra damage would happen throughout the winner. I emailed them maybe a month ago and hadn't heard back. Bumped into him at the store. He said he was badly interested. He's like, he could be in between big jobs. And I just said, hey, would you come and give me a quote so that we could have that happen this summer. And he sounded like September would be a month where he's in between things and would be maybe a good time to do it. Okay. You keep this close to that. Yeah. It's not like a ton of damage, but there's enough like chipping paint and stuff. It'd be good to. It's good to do because otherwise. It just gets worse every year. Yeah. It's been a little while. It wasn't outrageously expensive. It's one of those things like the longer we wait, it just gets more. Right. More to scrape and more to paint. So I will be happy to forward that on for your consideration when I get it. But I did. I saw him at the store the other day and he said that he would try to stop by soon and get a quote. That'd be good. Thanks, Jeremy. Yeah. Thank you. Hold on. Thank you. Help take care of the space. Yeah. Nice to have you here. It's good to be here. I love the better of our communication already. Yeah. Yeah. I think it can continue to improve hopefully. I think we've had, I've had a number of things in the recent past that were not the most ideal. I think a couple of them would just be like, you know, trying to get better at updating me if there are ideas that you guys have or things that you want me to do. There was a couple of things. One of them was the roadside mowing issue. I had never really heard about my role in that until an email went out to constituents. Happy to help with stuff, but it's easier to help if I know that that's something that you guys want me to do and then we can kind of have a discussion about what do you want me to do with the information. And so I think that was one of the things that fell through the cracks because it sort of came in and I hadn't had any communication with anybody about it. That's fair. It just... Sorry, yeah, we're... That's how it went. Sometimes we're just like... Yeah. And you guys have a lot on your plate. Yeah, we do. And especially you, Denise. I mean, we're all doing a lot, but like there's a lot going on. I think it's easy to have things fall through the cracks when we're not chatting regularly about stuff. Even things like utilizing the town clerk to forward applications or emails or things like that. Some of those things, like if it's in an electronic form, I'm just a middleman. It might be better to... They're exchanging that, Denise. Actually, we haven't said that but Denise and I talked about that. She's putting her own email... Yeah, like appointing Denise as clerk officially to receive stuff on behalf of the board and having something work. But it was a paper application that there's a process to just make sure that those things get forwarded to you guys in a timely manner so that things don't fall through the cracks. Well, but you're going to put... In that piece, you're going to put your own email address. Yeah, and actually, I think we all like that if you're scanning something to the board, send it to the whole board. That works well. And they all have it. They all send it to the seat at the same time. You know, an option for that is just to create a dump email. It doesn't have our name on it, but for those that were all in that type of document code, that way is you have changeover. You don't know to do it. But we're impressed, right? I mean, I would resist trying to solve problems that are probably going to be solved in other ways. Yeah, we know that. But we're trying to do better on communication. I'm sorry. And we get... I mean, to be fair, Jeremy, we get surprised too. You probably know that. There's things that have come up that we're like, wait, what? So it works both ways. We just have to help each other out and be team players. Yeah, and among that, in terms of communication, phone calls on the weekends, emails on the weekends, on Fridays and Saturdays, I'm not available. You're calling my house on the weekends. Unless it's an emergency, I'm really going to need to insist that the business that we conduct together is happening during the week. I currently work Monday through Thursday. That's the salary that I have. I work 32 hours a week. I haven't really worked 32 hours a week since I've been here and it's been almost a year. So I'm really trying to focus on conducting business unless it's an emergency during business hours. When I send an email out on a Friday or a Saturday, I'm not expecting you to answer, but it's something that I'm doing right now and if I don't do it right now, I'm doing that. Remember, we're volunteers, so we often do things on the weekend, but we understand you'll be reading them on the weekends. Evenings, mornings. So we have time working. No, I understand that, but it's not just emails and phone calls. And if it's a phone call... Regularly from us? From Denise. I got phone calls once. No, it's not accurate. And phone calls on, there was the Town Highway 7 thing. Call me on a Friday. We're wanting things to happen on a Saturday. We just need to get a little bit better. Now we have Jamie to post us. And I think that will be helpful. That will help. And that's one of the reasons that I wanted to just back away from that role a little bit because it's taking up a lot of time. I put in many hours on the website. I was homesick with COVID and posting things. I spent hours on that website just for the DRB stuff that was going on because there's a lot going on. There's lawyers involved and there's a timeliness aspect to the things that are coming in. So I think... And so far, like with Jamie coming aboard, it's been really helpful. And I've seen things get posted and it's been... I think that Jamie's doing a great job. Jamie's actually way better at this than I am. Jamie is a webmaster in other places. Jamie had a lot of other thoughts and ideas and I think it's so far been really good. So that was a really good move to get Jamie on board. So I think... And it was also just in all fairness, the timing thing with my assistant being out for many weeks. And so there was sort of... The workload was more... Yeah. And we're... You have the listers dropping the abstract for the grand list. So there's a lot of people calling and asking questions and wanting to grieve or maybe not grieve but complain and then you... And then... Which is fine. And some of it is just not understanding where did this all come from. This feels very arbitrary and just, you know, before being like, talk to a lister just having a conversation with them about what the process is and what their duties are if they want. If they don't want to pay that amount and they have a reason for it, like you have an opportunity. Right. And those people should... You know, here's a lister, names, numbers, all them. And they do. And then the primary coming up there's a lot of phone calls and all things and then on the other side there's just been... There's a lot of email traffic just working on treasure stuff for folks because they need their tax bill or they're trying to find out what the non-homestead rate with, you know, lots and lots of questions. And I think... So it's like all of those things added up to... Right. Well, and Cynthia... A lot. Cynthia said, and I'll give you a copy now for you and for Barbara that we're going to talk about later. I don't know if you're going to stay. It has to do with... Where is it on the agenda? The treasure update. Yeah, the treasure update. And I don't know if I want to talk about it a lot but wonderful people. And this is a number I put together for the select board and I made a copy. I wanted to CC you and Barbara so you can have the information. You don't have to read it now and you're welcome to stay for the discussion but I'm going to keep you in the loop. Thank you. Yeah, Jeremy, I'm going to cut you off. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Thanks Jeremy. Have a good one. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go for your wife. Good for you. So these people speaking of personal changes we're going to... Yeah, just briefly we're almost about where we are. Right. Just so everybody knows Barbara Butler resigned as assistant town treasurer effective June 30th. Jeremy resigned as webmaster and I did follow up with him because when he said that I thought, oh, okay, I've got Jamie but then I was thinking does that mean is this town clerk related stuff? And he said, yes, we continue to post town clerk related items like about the elections and things like that. So we want to reserve Jamie for everything else and that brings me to Jamie's primary webmaster Lisa Grace has been taking our minutes and doing, I think, a really good job. But we have a backup. We have an opportunity for a backup webmaster and Jeremy's and Barbara stepping away from that. Barbara didn't say she was stepping away in her role as assistant town clerk but that'll probably be next. So we need to put the word out that we're looking and I'll post something on our course form that we're looking for an assistant webmaster and constable one... Oh, constable one and two and animal control office and one and two. All so many opportunities. So many wonderful opportunities to serve your town and be thanked very graciously, often to make a face. We're going to make you the thank you officer. Yeah, and you're going to be the court, the court. You want to know that? Ms. Cordiality. Ms. Cordiality. Ms. Cordiality. Yeah, so yeah, so we have two ACO and two constables. We didn't have a second constable for a long time. So... Now we have none. Now we have none. So anyway, they'll be posting these items just saying on the on the course form. I think that much takes care of them. And we are going to just try to be better about saying all those out loud in their own agenda items so that people get clear. Right. It'll be in the minutes. It'll be in the minutes. We talk about it, but we don't say it as a thing. It seems to get lost. So now it's a thing. Okay. Alfred. Roger. Alfred has shown. I need to have money for our crops. We brought buckets. Buckets and gravel. Yes. Can you do two ones? I have two different options. One is the type that I used last year and the other is the type that is from Bigford's quarry. Is this the one that we had this in the analysis done several years ago? No. This is stone. This isn't ground. This is stone for the sand. I was able to use the analysis of stone. Okay. No. So these are the parts that we are using now. Maybe you just run them on. Pass them over there. These are what we're using now. And this is what? That's flesh. Crushed flesh. That's one plate. And this is a mixture of quarter inch and three quarter inch. It's a live product from they're making this, what they call powder. It's for the walking trails and biking trails that are going all over the state of Vermont. What is this going on, John? What is this going on? It's just a plant. It's a free land. You guys are all pretty much the same. Those are all pretty much the same. Where is this from? This is from Victor's garden. This is granite. There. Anybody in the audience want to learn an opportunity on this stuff? Thank you for having the ropes. This is for west trails. So we're saying on the sand the winter's man. Christ does not look pointy. This is more rounded. And the stuff you put on singleton rarely. South of my house is like that. It's not big enough. And what was the stuff you got from that? It's not, you're looking at gravel on it. There were stones there. I know, but that was in a gravel situation where we were resurfacing. This was winter sand. This is the stuff that people complain that we were causing them to have flat plates. Well, there was some that was, this doesn't look pointy. Is that the way to turn your pointy? It took right from the sand bottom. It trickles down. This stone came right from the bottom of the sand bottom. This doesn't look pointy at all. Alfred, can you John, can you, so, can you help us, those of us who are not geology, anything at all, gravel illiterate, totally illiterate. So this is for winter. When we had complaints about stones piercing bicycle tires, was that a difference? That was in the winter. It was in the winter. Yes, man. It was in January. Doug really sat right here with a cast on his arm saying that he was riding a bicycle and the stones were bothering his car. That's why we're talking about this today. Mainly because I need to get my sand down. So was it because there's, because there's stone left in March or April and people are starting to be on, I mean Doug was now biking in January, but there's stone, isn't there residual that still sits there? That was his reasoning before having a complaint about the size stone that we're using in the winter time. So the board asked me to, before I put another pile up to come and talk to you. That's why I'm here. So can you give us a cross? What's the difference between these two? Yes. Availability. Yeah. Well that's, that's true also. I mean, this stuff from Bigford's, there's a nice big pile over there, probably plenty for us. This is the same story. Now we can go to this stuff, but smaller. Wait a minute. This is three colors. Point here. Okay. That stuff. You can go with this stuff. You can go with that one. Smaller, but it's on just double the price. That's a number of crushes. Smaller. And this is the Bigford stuff? No, that's public. Bigford's gray. So this stuff. There's no more money than this stuff. It's about the city. Well, Bigford's, the mix is $15.50 per yard. Yeah. Right. That's, that's this stuff. Yeah. Pike Industries is for that, the half inch was $14 per yard. So it's very close. And that's the bigger stuff. This is preferable. This, I would think this is going to bail us out of the problem. Yeah. With tires. And with, And the price is comparable. Less, less well. Yeah. It's actually cheaper if you wanted it. That's small. That's pretty well on the track. And also the trucking. I mean, the pike stuff comes from Barrett. So we're coming through Barrett City, all the way up through. Bigford's, this is at Marshall, right? What's your recommendation? Well, after seeing this, this is like brand new product this year. That was not built. And it's only because this company is making this stone dust for bike trails and hiking trails all around the state. So this is the bike product. That's the bike product from that, from that dust and dust. So is it, so it's the bike product. Does that mean that it's being sifted off because it is specifically not bike friendly? Or is it a bike product? No, it's not fine enough. No, it's because when they screen it to get the pressure when they screen it, this is what comes off the screen. It's like a screen with a flat piece and a different size. I see. So this is not that when you bike on it, it's like biking on it. It's like, it's hard to bike on it. When you guys are in first grade, you're going to grade the road. Plus there's multiple sizes. That's right. And these stuff? Some people want just three quarter. Some people want half inch. This is the four half three quarter. It's all mixed. But in technical terms, that stuff will swoosh down with it, right? That's not the issue. He's not providing the dust. He's saying this is what's left over after they sold the best bike. They used this. Well, I mean, if you look at the size of the leg, I think the point was that the stones were too big. It was acting like marbles on the frozen solid rope. And this is going to be smaller. They've still got some sharp pieces. So it's smaller and closer, right? The one on the end is from Big Fur, which is closer. Right. And is that the cheaper one too? When you factor in the trucking, yes. Okay. So it's a dollar or a dollar or whatever more expensive, but offset by the trucking. So the pipe has a similar product to this. It's this kind of stone, but it's similar to this. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. It's similar to this. Same. So the other one again, is similar to this. Same. Coor inch to three quarter. Also. This is far away with more handle. We can buy that for $8, you go there. Oh, I see. Okay. So, that's the issue. But when you figure the trucking what he had, because they don't, and last year they didn't have any sort of stonk, their crush was broke or whatever they did, they couldn't get it. So I went over there today and looked at his pot, and he's got plenty for us. So okay, so if you were going to frame a frame of recommendation, it is, is there a name for that stonk? It's the blend, the Bigford blend, which is cheaper when we incorporate an awareness of trucking costs, and in terms of comparably priced, comparably priced when we consider trucking, and then in terms of bike friendliness, do you have any comments on that? That's smaller, that'll be better. Smaller's better, smaller's better. And it doesn't have sharks, so it's good. So you're, so you're a non, are you a biker or an off-road? Say again? Do you bike? We need to be fair. Right. To be fair, the only biker. Recreational? Oh no. That done is the only biker who's complained. Well, no, I've had other... Well, on that, I want to tell you guys something right now. One of my workers, my newest employee, stopped by... Is that John? No, Peter. Peter? No, it wasn't Peter, it was another guy. But anyway. That's not a complaint. Anyway, so he was driving one of my trackers, painting this summer, this weekend, and stopped by because the bikers had that trailer going around, and he stopped to talk to them because they were offering drinks. And he thought he could donate, you know, for a drink. I thought he thought that's what he was... So he stopped, got a drink, talked to the guy. The guy that was handing out the press was reiterated that Calis roads were best. Most of the bikers were... A lot of them were commenting on how our roads are comfortable to ride on. Yeah, actually, I had heard that from the bikers. See that the Woodbury roads are terrible. Yeah, they like... What's going on? I said, well, they lost their road. I'm showing those guys that are out of bikers. They're going all over. They're not interested. Yeah, they do that. They do this tour every year. I just ask you a question here. This is his recommendation. Right. Is this the kind of thing where we need to be involved? I asked him to show us, and I appreciated it, to show us, but do we need a promotion and approval, or is this the kind of thing that we decide in this direction? I just wanted to get clear so that... So we can answer questions. It was brought to the board only because we had a complaint. Right. And a concern. And we've had concerns over the years, so it helps us back up out for if we say we looked at it and the blame, you can blame us too. It gets out of control. I mean, the sense of us is we support what helps. Right. Certainly. I also want to... I also, again, at least the segments want to be clear. We generally don't get complaints from bikers. I mean, Cal's wrote their gorgeous... The road... The quality of roads I do bike is... It depends on how recently a grader's been through. You're going to be really grumpy if you hit a road and they graded yesterday, no matter what challenge. But that's unavoidable, and bikers don't. So, all right. So, Alfred, thank you. I think we're good on this one, right? Okay. Good. So that's the winter... We said it was an action, but it's not an action. No, it's not an action. The actions, thank you, Alfred. But we didn't... Did we get a mowing update? No, we got to go back to the time. We started going out of order. Yeah, so... Well, I'll be very excited to see what I had in mind. That's right. Alfred wants his stone, so we have to get that out. You're putting yourself to sleep. Talk order. You could chew on it, but your teeth wouldn't... Oh, Alfred, fine. All right, mowing update. So, we are just about done with the first pass around town. There's just a few... I know the county roads left, and I know what we call holes off the county road. Long Meadow and Wheeler. And then there's just a few others, but most of the town has been mowed first time around. And as you know, some of the first ones that we've done look like we haven't done them, because they've grown. It's just that time they've grown. But they're not seeding. Yeah, that's true. I was going to ask if you see several churros in seeding. I haven't seen any seeding in places where we've mowed. And we're only mowing for maybe five feet tops. There is a seeding section on Toby Hill there, right? Where it looks like it's in that little gourd. You know, going up to Orders? Yeah. I think that's all seeding. It's all over Orders property. Yeah. I mean, places where we're not mowing, you know, we're only reaching so far out. There's nothing we can do. I mean, that's out of our hands. I do have a list that I've been sort of going by, as far as which was the one that Joanne Gardner provided for us way back five or six, five years ago. Yeah. I've sort of been going by that. Was she determined where the stuff was? Have you seen it? I would imagine it's in more places at this point. Yeah. Well, you have a churro form, don't you? Aren't you raising churros? Yeah, she's raising quite a person. No, that we have really made a difference on. But that's another conversation for another day. So as far as I know, I think we're in good shape there. I'm going to keep back it, keep going around. Some of these things a lot of us don't need all the manpower. Just kind of fit it in. We're going to make it happen. But we're the first time we're around, the first time. I'm lacking to deal with a few roads. Yeah, it's all up to my mind also. Yeah. And then they've been alternating. Peter Daley was on it for the first two weeks. And then John has ridden it for two weeks. It's good to cross. Yeah, it's good. He was on it today. Yeah. Well, nobody really likes it. Nobody likes it? Nobody likes it so far. How are they doing it? Because, you know, it's part of the job, right? It's part of the job. But nobody's really fighting it. Isn't it in an air-conditioned can with, like, the stereo or something? It's not on the radio. It means help. But the AC, they actually complain because it's too cold in there. I mean, the air-conditioned really works. I know. The other name was 90 degrees. Yeah. So they need a stereo upgrade. They need a stereo upgrade. That's great. Here it goes. There is something going on with the brakes, which is going to have to be addressed soon. They work fine, but the slave cylinders are inside the hub, the full axle hub. Pull in. So it's going to be pulled apart to get to the leaking. Do you have to send it out or are you guys going to do that? I think we'll probably have to send it out because it's a lot too dark. Yeah. And it uses mineral oil. Yeah. So the one place to buy mineral oil is the drugstore. Yeah. Mineral oil. Some blocks, actually. When I go in there and I got two jugs of mineral oil, what do you say to anything? It's the new drug. It's the new drug. The whole spark underneath there. Great. What do you do with mineral oil? Just give them a bucket of gravel. Anyway. They're walking through two buckets. Yeah. So I'm just keeping the reservoir full and the brakes are fine, but it's just that something's going to have to be addressed. Hey, thanks for helping us on the dog problem a couple of weekends ago. Yeah. The cage is at my house. If someone goes by, it's right in front of the barn in the reddit. Okay. Yeah. I don't mind storing it there. But it helps when it's there. Okay. Also, I think you did a pretty good job clearing it after you get the storm. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, Marshall Rose completely walked in it. There was another one that I think I told you about. And there was a hole created by an ash going over by Joey Stolls. Yeah, fix that. Another tree. And I feel that someone is sticking that with the flag, but I don't have time to fill it in. We're going to see more of that. We're going to see more of that. Yeah. Hang on guys. We have two actually not insignificant items. We have to do Peter's application for private maintenance. Peter, you want to join us? We have your application. So I think it's really to ask Alfred what I do. Alfred, do you have a chance to look at Peter's application? Peter emails it to me. There's a process improvement for you. I'm sorry? Process improvement for Peter's. Oh, well, he brought it up. Yeah. No, I know. But it would include me on here. And Alfred has a PDF. You can just scan through it and look at it. Did you have a chance to look at it? You said you didn't print it. Yes. Okay. So Peter, it seems like what you're proposing is to go out there and actually look at it with Alfred to fill in your details. You gave us a list of the owners. Thank you. These were dealers of turtle. But your strategy for line of sight is to do a preliminary site review with the representative from the town. And that would be you, Alfred. I'm guessing you guys haven't done that. Beautiful. Okay. So in terms of actually what you might take tonight, do we want to do a preliminary approval and sign in another meeting when Alfred can come back and say, I'm not with Peter. We looked at the site and here's the strategy. So we actually have a strategy. What type of site will we be looking at? It's not the same as for a curve. So are we looking at site distances when it's curved? Well, yeah. It's a line of sight. It's how Peter's going to maintain line of sight on the proposed no mo area and getting Alfred and Peter on the same page around how that's going to work. Well, I guess I would ask Peter what his plan is for mowing it. Well, that's what I want to find out is what you, in line of sight, what you think, what you want me to do or me and the people who live in that district want you, because I don't have a clear understanding of what you want or what the select word wants. I want it mowed like the rest of the roads are. That's sort of what I want. Well, if we can, there's woods and there's ditches and there's slopes going down. And if we go over the whole thing and I make notes as to what you want and I have a clear understanding of what you want, but without that, I don't. Okay. So let me ask another question. You've been pulling the terrible. I've been digging it. Digging it. Digging it and weeding it. Weeding it. So the terrible is not there. Personally, if you're been pulling it and if you're keeping up with that, the chervil is not there, I should be able to mow it. If the chervil is the reason we're not mowing, then I should be able to mow it if he's got it pulled. I think chervil will have it. I don't have it mowed. Chervil has a cycle. So in the first year that the seeds are produced, the seeds don't do anything. They have to sit there for the winter. Then the second and third years, and maybe it grows, or even fourth year, it takes that to grow a low plant, which I also weed. And then the fifth and sixth years or so, just because it varies from year to year to put a plant or each plant to plant, then it bolts and gets a long stem and flowers and goes to seed, which is already starting to do now. And so all I've gotten is what I can find so far. But what I can find isn't what's there. There's a lot more there than I can find. So when it starts producing this low plant right away, it starts producing buds on the roots, and that starts producing more roots, which is really the way that it spreads once it gets away from the roots. So that's the reason that, for instance, you haven't mowed my roadside now for four years, and I'm still getting new plants because there's this long six-year sequence that it takes to produce a plant that's obvious. It's sticking right up there with the flower on it. But if you're bringing in more seed, if you're bringing in more seed from somewhere else, then you're adding to that sequence and starting it over again. So what I'm not going to find out if you do that is whether I'm making it or not. So let me interrupt for a second. So Alfred, it's not a question of when you can mow. It's a question of what does Peter need to do so that he is replicating, to some extent, the town's mowing to manage for a line of sight. I think that's the question. It's not even when it's out to go and mow because as Peter's describing, there's always different stages of growth. Even though he's pulling out the ones you can see, there's other things that he's working to guard against if you will. Right. I think you're saying it's a no-mow zone. Right. Some more about what do we mow. But what the town is requiring now through this sort of, we're in a trial period of this application is that Peter work with you so that he's using maybe a hand side, maybe something to do private mowing. That's what we call it, private mowing. But this is a meeting of the minds around you recognizing, okay, we're allowing Peter this effort, this experiment. Nobody ever said that it had to be a town mower with a big blade and a big tractor to maintain line of sight. That's not required. So what is, but there is a line of sight expectation. And people know where we're from growing in. Right. Right. So I think, I'm just going to speaking for myself, but then the board can react. If we all agree with what I'm saying, then I think the next step is for Alfred and Peter to go do the visit. The site visit. That Peter is asking for. And it's slightly premature for us to approve. Because we can't see that information. Right. We can't put in any conditions on the site until you guys go and meet and figure that out. Right. And I'll cite Rick's email where he said, this is a dry run of the process to see how it works. And nothing's getting mowed. And it's going to, by the time Peter and I get together to look at this and get back to the board, now we're half way through July. No, I mean, Alfred, this is not new. You haven't voted there in years. So this is an improvement. Because Peter is going to go out there with his siler, his weed wrapper or something. And do. Keep this down. I'm just saying the liability of lack of site distance is still very much there. Whether Peter and I go and we agree on that term or not, it's still there for the town of Cowles. And why don't we do a, without signing off, why don't we do a, we've been working on this with Peter for years. Perhaps we could do a sense of the board that when Peter and Alfred agree, they can write us an email. And we're, even though we haven't signed it, if it feels immediate to you, Peter can get out there the next day and sign them where you guys have agreed it needs to happen. And then we'll formalize it at the next meeting. We can give you preliminary authorization. Is that how you're clearing? When you're cutting, you're using a side. No. I mean that. I mean that. Only in a couple of, last year I did the trying. After Rick and I walked out. Who did a triangle this year? It was the triangle at my intersection. Oh, you're a triangle. Not the one at your intersection. So back to the question, what are you using to keep the birds eye cut down? The only place that I used to scythe and cut anything down was where there were two places. There was the triangle by my intersection. Blissfond triangle. The Blissfond triangle. And then there was a section on the, on Huckinsnoss's land where it was too thick. But there are, there are problems with, you know, over the bank. In my place. My, my impression for Rick's email was, is that this wasn't just an approval. This was, or disapproval. This was a working out how this can happen in the future. This was working in those stages that, that you and I talked about a couple of times this last winter on Zoom. Yeah, but yes, but Peter, it is the, the immediate right now is that the town has limesight expectations for the traveling public so that people can see and when they're, when they're driving. So the stage we're at is figuring out what are the, what, where, where are those, where is it necessary to pay attention to that? And what we want to do is give you an Alfred authorization to, you know, you don't need, you don't need our authorization. That's an inherent and Alfred's job to go look at it. I think I would imagine the board is ready to say, and even without our signature, Peter, go ahead and address things that Alfred says you need to address. And, and come back to the next meeting and we'll document it. Okay. And I go back to my question. What are you using to keep, whether it's money or siding or whatever, what are you doing now to keep? Well, as I've said, I've signed a triangle and a section. What about the rest of the roads? I haven't, I haven't signed anything. So there's no molecule. Now, there are, there are large sections that don't have anything growing in them. The wooded areas and stuff, and that's the sort of stuff we need to look at is to, to see it's not like running a tractor along the whole road. Each section of the road, there's sections and each one is different. Yeah. We really wanted to answer to my question. But you asked me to do something I couldn't hear. In the very beginning, you said, Peter, include me on what? Well, on this document that you sent to Sharon Hartberg and Alfred. And he didn't send it to Jonah. Well, that was because that was a meeting that Sharon called. That was her. A Zoom meeting. That was when we were having our working sessions. We had a Zoom meeting in January and another one in February of March. He's just using the same old email. And then he dropped the application out from the tops. The one thing I do want to ask the board, Peter submitted this with the application. This is the sign that he's proposing. This is the one I've used for three years now. I suppose you've seen this before? I was surprised to see that it says to test how the select board tries. And I want to ask the board, how do you feel about this being labeled as the select board trial? That's what we're doing. We're approving it. We're agreeing to the trial. I think it would be better said, maybe if it said, roadside going exclusion, don't resume to test pulling, churval effectiveness, approved, trial approved by. That's approved by. Approved by. It's not our trial. It's not our trial. That was just the sign that the select board approved for. The select board approved trial. So you want to change? Yes. It's approved. Call a select board trial to pass approved select board trial? It's not a select board trial. It's their trial. And we're authorizing it to happen. So what's the wording you want me to use on the bottom line? You want to write it right at me? So to test pulling churval, call a select board, we could just say approved by. As approved by. As approved by. Call a select board trial. Approved by. As approved by. As approved by. As approved by. No, because people will question. I have a conservation commission trails committee. Yeah, authorized. Authorized. OK, so Peter, if you stick to word. Authorized. You can call select board and Childs a select board authorized. Right now, we're not sort of doing you. So Joseph, OK, so I need to interject and this is not Peter. This is me as like board member. I have been mowing my roadside. I use my mower conditioner and mow it. Moet or my weed whacker and do I need to file an application now? Yes. You're not alone. Other people, Moet, other people. I want to make sure I'm doing what I should be doing outside of my role here as a citizen. I think that's a good question and here's my reaction to it and maybe we should discuss it further. I think when we launched this application it was around, this is the places we generally refer to as a no-mo, which is different. I know my neighbor Moe is his own and I wouldn't be surprised if Alfred gets answers. You wouldn't object if the town, for example, just came through where you moved and just moved. I think yes I would because I kept the turbo at bay and I'm spreading seed on my problem. That's been my idea. It's called a private maintenance agreement. I didn't file it so that slipped my mind to this guy. My neighbor I think does it just because he gets tired waiting for the town. Which is different. Which is different here. Okay, so I do want to give Peter back his land. Peter, you want your land back? Let's make sure Jerome gets it for the camera. I will give it back to you as soon as I copy it. No, just take that. Otherwise I'm going to eventually. Okay, you don't want it. Peter, thank you very much. I want to see what you're doing. Alfred, you and I have to get together. You've got to call her early. You've got to call the temporary. Between 7.30 and 8. Give me a call. Leave a voice mail at night. You can leave a voice mail at night and you can catch it in the morning. The touch of application for use of the town right away. We've got it signed. It's now signed by the property owner. Do you have any input for us on this one? My input is that it's not an issue. There's a very small portion of this work. It's going to be in our right away. And it's right near the telephone pole. There's already underground utilities there. It's not going to impact our right away. And I talked to Sylvia and Ron. I mean, Sylvia. Small portion of the town right away. It will impact. Will not impact our road. So no conditions. So is there a motion to approve the. Jane and Donald. Second. Any other discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Okay. Okay. So do any of us. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. 27. It's a box cut, so we're cutting the whole well three feet down, adding new burial, under-drain, and all that. Is this the fix of Claymore open? Yes, this is the dig out of Claymore's, which we got grants for. Yeah, no, it's great. It's actually a class two, class two grant. It's a class two highway grant. It's from the state, and it's north of the work. It's at West Crane, where it's just feeding those bulls. And is that like the intersection of Jack Hill and Moscow? That's one stretch. There's like three or four different stretches, different lengths. Some of them are 100 feet, some of them are 200 feet. It equals 500 feet in total. So, we're going to have to... So we'll have to... We're going to have to make a bunch of... Make people aware. ...several announcements on drum porch forums that people see. Does this have to be tonight, or is it... No, I'm just making them aware. You guys don't have to do anything other than be aware. Okay, so... Rick, with his... We can make an announcement on our website. If it allows that we have dates... You and I will use... I think a lot, and not just one separate forum. Who's doing that? You guys. That's fine. I just need to have dates. But you don't need any... We don't have to approve that here? I mean, it'll be a couple of minutes. Yeah, anyway, because now I'm moving on to the samplock. I want to get that... Okay, anything else? Sorry, I... If you think I'm rushing, you may end. Yeah, we're ready next. I sense that, but yeah. Yeah, okay. We're on my schedule already again. It's just nothing personal. But thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Sam. Okay, John, recycling center. Oh, I spoke with Dennis Fecker... from the... from the solid waste program at A&R, and we had a lot of back and forth conversation, actually first by email, and I said, we got to talk. And it's non-jurisdictional. There are two types of exemptions under solid waste regulations, solid waste rules. One is for recycling facility. If we had a town-run recycling facility where we had a bin on the ground, where residents came in, put their recycles in the bin, and we wanted to keep recycles stored on the ground in a bin, we could perform that function on an annual basis up to 50 tons of recycles combined per year and not need a permit. It's an exemption of the rules, and the listed exemptions, non-jurisdictional, right? I haven't. And then the second type of exemption in this kind of issue area is where you see this across from the WEC and the WEC office, and you smell the failure in the parking lot there. There's a guy with a garbage truck, and you can toss your bags there and give them a bag or your bag recycles and they keep that separate. That's the type. The second is the operation we have here. That also is specifically exemption from the regulations, exempted from the regulations, i.e. non-jurisdictional. And, you know, I have a phone call because I used to work in this program, like, no, Dennis, I know you might want me to do this, or you might want the town of Calis to do this, but you have no jurisdiction, right? It's like saying, it would be great for bicycles to have license plates and insurance, but they're exempt. So he said, well, can you just send me a letter so I can close out the file? So I don't keep you on my tick list. So I just wanted to run that past you. I would like to just draft an e-mail to him. I'll copy the select board saying we actually don't even operate the facility. It's operated by a hauler who collects the recyclables on the truck Saturday morning for three hours and collects the trash at the same time. It all leaves with him. It never touches the ground. It's not jurisdiction. It's exempt. There's no storage. And there's no storage. And there's not even a component to reach it around. So I just want to let you know. I just want to jump right into the town's name. I need you to send me a letterhead. Can I put it in the letter form? It's attached to my name. Thank you. So there's that. And out of the business, I got a real quick thing to bring up. So we'll go on now to Denise and Carpa. Okay, so I did a quick spreadsheet on the ARPA funds. And we've received, I think I've said this many times before, we've received our first installment. The second installment will come in August of 2022. And I double-checked today to see if we are able to see to make sure that everybody's still getting their money, that the federal government didn't decide to take it away. And she assured me that yes. You'll remember that we had quite a process to go in and to get everything authorized in the federal court. Thank you, Denise. Yeah, you did not. You did. Oh, we did. Thank you. Cursepun Dam has asked for $30,000. And if you think there's a better explanation or something that you want to see different on this spreadsheet, please let me know. I can redo it. I thought the basic stuff is who's asking for the funds, what the project is, who will benefit? That's good. Yeah. And the amount requested, amount awarded if we decide to, and then any other comments. So anybody can go in here and do their own thing. But Cursepun Dam has asked for $30,000. East Calis Fire District has asked for $30,000. And it's my understanding, and I could be wrong because I am awful, that the Fire District might be eligible for additional state ARPA funds. Do you agree? Have you heard that? I mean, yes, in our process of getting involved in loans from the state, those are largely compromised. They're a large chunk of our money going to those in general. I think we kick out a loan, 30, 35-year loans. And at their discretion, they decide what percentage of that will be subsidized. What if that changes from year to year? That's up to them? Yeah. Okay, because I heard that there were going to be additional funds from you. Sorry. Could you introduce yourselves? I don't want to hear three. Randy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sit down here. Oh, you're representing. And who you represent because our minute taker isn't here and she'll have a big fat gap. Oh, that's great. Yeah. My name's Brittany Bigus. I'm the clerk of the East Calis Fire District. Thank you. Thank you. And you had sent us a request for $30,000. Yes. So I put that on our list. And Toon Valley Senior Center has asked for $3,084 and they're asking from all of the six towns a pro-rata amount based on how much each town is receiving. And then I had some questions about what might we need for our funds. I want to see a generator here because this is an emergency management facility. If there's a disaster. Town office. What other things besides this storage closet, conversion. What do we need? You know, town office. What? And Jeremy was supposed to put together a list but I haven't seen one. So I'll have to remind him. Andy might want to be checked in with too. He might see some new items. Yeah. Digitization of land records. Some towns, more town notably because after their flood everything is digital. You can get tax bills on their website. I think that's good. Yeah. Digitization of land records. That's beyond land records. So what is it called? It's the right term. And other municipal documents. But Jeremy mentioned tonight all the calls for tax bills every time somebody is looking is, you know, every time there's a property transaction they're getting a phone call or a tax bill unless, you know, it's a property or supplies it. Anyway, so and who benefits from that if we're going to keep with this kind of a I put down residents, researchers, attorneys, who, anybody else? The town office because they get fewer calls. They can steer people to the website. Town office staff. Yeah. Yeah. And more town is, I mean, actually there's others, but more town comes to mind is a little tiny town that pushes you to the website to finally meet. And then the other, is that it on that one? That was it on that one, yeah. And CB Fiber has asked for at least $200,000. They would like more. And as you can see, our list and it may grow from thinking when we do a public meeting when I have a chance I'll work on a draft survey that we can have a public meeting or put at the town office, put on the website, put it on front porch forum. And then we just need to schedule a public meeting. And have a deadline. And have a deadline, right? And I think we can do it like maybe from like a 6.30 to 7. On a select board night. And then we'll just have to make sure people, here's your survey. I don't, I'm sure you've taught us this before. But I don't remember. There, you know, we heard from one person earlier that some of our key positions in town are not complicated enough. Is that a limitation of these funds? I think that salaries are a limitation. I would expect that. But I want to make sure that the record needs to be clear that paying, yeah, and paying people is not. And it's a one time thing. Well, it used to be that you couldn't purchase like trucks and equipment type stuff. But I think if there's something the highway department needs, Rick, when you're talking about this stuff, I can double check because when we, when the federal government changed it and calls it the standard allowance, they also made it so that there's a lot more things that are eligible for funding. So I will double check on salaries. And the reporting requirements are a lot less stringent. So the federal government really made it easier, made it easier, which is amazing. And I mean, even if salaries were allowed, you know, or bonuses, or bonuses, it's still, you know, I think it has to be, yeah, we have to sustain that. It's hard to sustain that. Yeah. I think that's one of the criteria thing is you can't sustain one-time expenses. Right. So it's like one time. Yeah. And we may come to the conclusion after updating the surveys that we can give more to, you know, East California District or CV Fiber. I think CV Fiber is like, that's going to be the big one that we're going to hear about. People want better and faster internet. But it would be nice to figure out a date that we might do this public hearing. Isn't that old? Give me a kick and I'm not going to be gone on a survey. Could we do it on July 25th? 6.30 to 7. Yep. Isn't that when we, oh no, we move that to August and then one. Yeah. No trees. No more trees on that day. I'm actually out of town, so that's enough. I'm away July 25th. Is it okay to be able to, I'm thinking we could go more anyways. We select more. Do you take more? July 25th. I think it's okay. Yeah, well I'll be there. Yeah, it's okay. But we want to get it. I'm sure we have a forum. And you're the vice chair. That's why I keep looking at you. Yeah, I know. I might be gone on the 11th but I didn't. Back. Back. I thought you were gone now. I'm not. I'm right here. I know, but I thought you were gone back until July 8th. What are you guys right here? Like you should be informed. Okay. 630 public, public, I'm just going to call it on the agenda. We'll call it public comment. And then we'll have a survey to hand out. So when I send a survey around, I'd appreciate it if people really look at it. If you can have me additional. Okay. Question. Is there any requirement that it, this is like a totally, um, skill thing, but if we, if people are expecting a hearing because we've been using that term, it's not required to be. It's not even required to do anything. Sometimes. Truly I was talking to, oh, you know, the number, it's okay, the number, can't you lose it? You know, they are doing any public anything. They're just, they're just deciding, this one board is deciding. I assume that any public input, okay. Thank you. Thank you. So there's, so we're, yeah. So what, when did we, cut bait, fish or cut bait? CV fibers just to know by September 1st. Okay. Of course, that's foremost in my mind. That's, I think, so when we have a total of like 400, some thousand, we're not, four hundred and seventy-nine thousand, four hundred and seventy-seven dollars. Okay. It's a lot of money for us. Yeah. All right. Thank you. So we're going to, are we going to come up with some kind of this, sorry, for 15 minutes of, of like some kind of just general criteria, we would kind of be thinking about anyways with informal, in terms of prioritizing these, like the largest benefit to the broadest, second of the public. Right. And that's why I said, you know, the essential, the insentuality, that's a word versus, you know, just the grins, you know. Well, I think like CV fiber, that's going to, that's going to be able to improve everything for everybody in town. It's not just a specific group. I'm thinking the water, the water issue, that's a public health issue, you know, it's going to be public essential. The water, the water. No, no, no. It's a lot. It's calisthenics. Right. Oh, I see. And that serves the people in these calisthenics. Right. But it's an essential, it'd be like a storage plant. Right. I think it has, yeah, I mean, certainly, these are the criteria that we're going to look at. We should think about getting that going except that was here soon. Well, what we're saying, what you're saying, just, I saw this, exactly what you said, but there has to be a, impact to people who live in calisthenics. Right. Right. I mean, it sounds like these are sort of oranges, apples and bananas and I like your spreadsheet and what's the benefit and all that. And I feel comfortable when you're done with that. We'll be able to look at it as a group and say, okay, here's how we're going to divide. Well, but what John's anticipating is that we get a million dollars worth of requests. So we haven't even had this conversation and it's harder to have these conversations when there's projects sitting in front of you and you're building criteria around no request. That's right. Then no more are your criteria objectively arms length set. They're set to, you know, gerrymandering results. So if you have some ideas, John, we know. Well, we've said one. I've never. We said one. Short on ideas. I mean, I certainly do that. But we said one, that it's a direct impact to people in calisthenics. In calisthenics. That maybe that has to be a, you know, public health or serve public health or municipal or economic safety. Yeah. Well, we had a CD5 versus a Mundo. I'm already doing a CD5 or that's not public health. No. But it's everybody. Right. Well, it could be a safety public health. I think that it's economic. It's economic. I think that I would suggest it's community development. That one person that I would nominate to least come up with the criteria. Or maybe you were with others. Okay. Yeah. As long as I don't want to see a point system. No dots, no points. No, but the generator of the town hall, to me, that's a safety. Yeah. Well, I think we, and then me, I'm actually looking into the M-grant because they're, with the cyber, they're worried about cyber attacks on the grid. And so there's a lot of effort and maybe money coming in. They are selling money too. So I'm trying to figure out where that's going. Because that may be another avenue. So we might not think it's just wonderful. All right. So Mark and Denise, that's the team on that question. Okay. Okay. Let me just look at the times when people were way off. We have priority off. So here is a copy of the memo that I put together to the board. I said to you guys, I'm sorry, I don't know how to say it. Thank you. Okay. So, I don't know if you have a chance to read this because that's a bit out late. This is just to tell you where we are with things that are going on using Numeric. Sam and Betel Observer, she is still answering the phone when I call and answer the question. Yeah. And Numeric has said how wonderful she left everything. So the biggest, I think everything else, you just need the biggest thing coming up is the tax bills. Yeah. And you can see there, there's a sort of a timeline. Cindy, Cindy, needs to know by the week of July 18th that the Listers have filed their final as a bill, I guess they call it Grand List with PBR. And she has to know the week of the 18th so she can work to set help suggest a suggested tax rate and then set the tax rate which we need to approve on July 25th. This is coming up really fast. And in talking with Cynthia and listening to Sandra and Barbara if you look on her list of duties, this is a big project. So we're not going to have anybody in the office to stop tax bills. So we need to recruit, maybe to be able to recruit some volunteers. Tax bills, I just printed out everything in. They are, but you have to stuff them on. I was thinking they're more like a motor vehicle thing where you're not here. No. So I blocked, I have it on my calendar for the That's right. 8th. Yeah, so I don't know whether we want to like, I don't know how long it'll take. I've helped stop tax bills before. I'm just from Port Form. People want to help us. I'm thinking about asking, and this is what I'm going to ask you guys. I'm thinking about asking the Justices of the Peace who are here tonight. That's good. And to see if they would come and help stuff. Yeah. And we would need Cynthia. We'd be there when we're doing it because sometimes there's questions and there's issues. But the biggest thing is going to be when the payments start coming in, I hope we have a charge rush by then. Because payments are going to start coming in mid-September. And there's, you know, the process when you get a check is you have to check the check and make sure what's the date on it. Does the written amount equal the printed amount, dollar amount, is it signed? You know, isn't the right amount. And then the tax, the checks have to be somehow input into the network. So it's a big deal. It's going to be a big process. Especially if we don't have a treasure. Mm-hmm. So anyway, everything else is just kind of keeping you guys updated on what's going on. Thank you. Well, it's just someone reminding me when you have an application for some treasure. We're going to talk about these things in a second session. That's why I'm trying to get this forward. Okay. Okay. So we have just let me just ask, does anybody have anything that they want to bring up that isn't otherwise on our reader? Okay. Otherwise, I guess, old business. You can remove the Worcester Tower and our need to participate in any process, or They would drop. Amicus briefs or whatever. The, just real quick, the town and having received this applicants is like an early notice if you remember the tower which was here it was a notice that goes out prior to application required pre-application here and they had it and the town planning commission grabbed the change to the town or land to better address the tower thinking this matter because they didn't think their plan was tight enough. Although they did a language they did and then it became final. So that was some change there were some changes there but the landowner turns out had an opt-out of the contract. The landowner had a nice tower was to be cited on. He had an opt-out. Oh, I didn't know that. He had, I didn't know either he said confidentiality I'll talk about the contract but in an opt-out and he needed to basically sign again or renew again or something and he chose not to renew the contract and so the project's dead over so we're done and I think everyone's engagement on that had a big effect so I think it's like a work thing or a wonderful linear route. The project's dead and I've had it so the issues are waiting further development but no more it's done it's done they're so happy and I'll leave my bag. Okay so July 11th what we have on our future items is Lewis Porter who's requested to meet with us Lewis lives in town and he is the new general manager at Washington co-op just wants to come and say hi we have said that we would July is the season when we start paying attention to Alford re-appointments so we want to not drop that because I have the agenda ahead. And we need to keep on the radar I'll be obtuse here that prospect we were looking at an executive session regarding the lease leasing or the lease purchasing of land right. So Alson Callis the stock right that's my session list I send you guys an email Tim we have Rick I'm very much hoping that you and Tim that you bring Tim into your group and your work on speed bumps and traffic calming otherwise we're going to have a citizen here and we're going to it's going to be very disparate discussion if that's not kind of congealed ahead of time. I've been told years ago you weren't allowed to do that you weren't going to be doing it aren't you but I would imagine there's an opportunity to get a citizen involved if you're doing and it's all when So are you suggesting that we could remind him to put a lot of speed curve thing together? Well that's my but I don't want to put that on Tim until you know he asked for time and I promise that to him I imagine he would be interested in the speed curve discussion well right so but I want you know if he wants to but I want I'm hoping that Rick can talk to him and say here's a better solution blah blah blah and that shouldn't happen on one. Okay so then the town hall usage policy Marquette do you know anyone this? I know surprise you were in here there is a we had a town hall usage policy that I think we approved a year ago and it's reduced for renewal and so I've put it on for the next meeting and let me take the lead on that and Stephanie wanted to talk to us about road standards if we have time and we thought we would invite you to grow for members this is a very full agenda without even whatever's going to come up we already know okay so let's with all of that said let's I sent you guys a list of in executive session I think we need a motion to go into executive session for personnel related conversation under one three one three I don't want three one three eight so moved second okay any questions discussion all they say hi hi okay thanks