 This is JSATV, the newsroom for tech and telecom professionals. I'm Dean Perine and welcome to JSATV. We've got a good show for you, friends. I'm here with Mr. Philip Koblitz. Phil is the COO and co-founder of New York Internet or NYI. Phil, welcome to JSATV. Thanks for having me, Dean. All right, Phil, so you're here to, you had a big milestone this year. Why don't you tell our viewers a little bit about that? So this year is our 20th year in business. We started in 1996, July of 1996 to be precise. And I had a lot more hair back then. And I was just a kid. So there are depressing elements of it. But in this industry, it is quite the milestone, particularly being the same company with the same kind of outlook and the same founder still steering the ship. I think gives us a unique aspect of it, that's for sure. Absolutely. So Phil, 20 years is a long time, as you mentioned, in this industry. How have things changed? You know, I think there's a saying that says the more things change, the more they stay the same. At the end of the day, things certainly changed in the last 20 years in terms of weeding out the weaklings and making sure the facilities are kind of all up to snuff and all have kind of the top tier infrastructure and high uptimes. But at the end of the day, as technology has evolved, the underlying infrastructure is remarkably similar. It's large scale and redundant air conditioned rooms with copper touching copper and glass touching glass. And what's really changed is kind of what our involvement in that process is. And that's changed from data center companies like us being mostly hands off to the data center becoming the facilitator of a solution. And I think that's really where things have changed. Outstanding, Phil, thank you. So a topic that is near and dear to your heart, the cloud. Why don't you tell us? I've never heard of that before. What is that? Why don't you tell our viewers a little bit about what kind of deployments that you are at, what kind of cloud deployments you are currently seeing? So that word means many different things to many different people. Obviously, you have public cloud deployments like AWS and Google Compute. And to the extent that there is some element of customers where we manage deployments in that environment. But for the most part, we're seeing that as an extension of the resources that are provisioned within our data center. So we have our own cloud environment built on VMware where we provide private cloud services, which is essentially dedicated resources for high performance requirements for high security customers. And then, of course, we have customers that leverage the bare metal or co-location elements that we have. So you put all those things together and you have another overused word, hybrid, which is the majority of the deployments that we're seeing, certainly, where you take basically a company's overall requirement. And you list it on a piece of paper, a spreadsheet, or whatever. And there are elements of their applications that lend themselves to a bare metal or co-located deployment where they have high security or they need to have a consistency of performance that just is more cost effective in a dedicated server or a co-located environment. And then you have elements of that application that make more sense in a private cloud deployment where they still have similar requirements from a security standpoint, but need the flexibility of provisioning those resources on the fly. And then you have elements of that environment, whether it be for bursting or DR or R&D, that lend themselves better to a public cloud deployment where you have access to AWS's APIs or Google Compute's APIs where you can spin up instances on the fly, but it's really more of a get in, use it, and get out type of methodology where it's really just in time. If you're testing something or trying to prove something out before you allocate resources to it, that's the best place to be. So the majority of the power users that we're seeing come in, either in technology or in publishing or in legal or financial worlds, have elements of all of these solutions. And our job as a data center these days is to facilitate those things. And we do that by having the cloud physically onsite at our VMware-made cloud that is so giving them the ability to do high speed, 1 gig, 10 gig, 40 gig cross connects into that cloud, and then having relationships such as Megaport and other direct connect type of relationships that allow them to have direct access into cloud providers like AWS or Google Compute and Azure. And again, our job as kind of a dying breed of more hands on, high touch data center infrastructure providers is to facilitate their access to all of those things. Excellent, Phil. Thank you for entertaining my cloud question. I know how much you love doing that. I'm so excited. I will say one more thing, which is I have fallen in love with and kind of make this sticker my mantra. And it's true. I mean, it's just another computer, which is why the data center in and of itself, that underlying infrastructure hasn't really changed. It still lives in the same room. It's just about how you use it. All right, sorry. Go ahead. I love it, Phil. Thank you very much. So listen, after 20 years in business, NYI clearly has shown that it's turning corners as quick, if not quicker than the rest of the industry. However, the next five years probably is going to, is going to be that much more evolutionary than the last five or say 10 or even 20 years. What do you see on the horizon? Over, let's say let's go with the next five years. You know, it's interesting. Again, I don't see much change in terms of what the underlying infrastructure that runs the internet and runs these applications is. I think what's going to change is the way the deployment mechanisms for those types of applications evolve. So you have things like Docker and Kubernetes and a lot of these deployment engines that are kind of taking over these hyper-scale deployments. And like I said earlier, you know, the trend, there is a trend that we're seeing for large-scale public cloud deployments being brought back into infrastructure. And I think that gets sped up by making, by getting rid of the logistical hurdles that are associated with owning infrastructure and owning your own footprint. So I think the more data centers start to embrace those things and, you know, we have partnerships with Diaz and Packet and the idea is to create this kind of containers on metal environment that bridges the gap between what makes sense in a cloud environment and what is just more cost-effective and efficient in a data center and infrastructure environment. And making those two worlds closer and closer and getting rid of some of those logistical hurdles is gonna be an important part of what takes us not only through the next five years, but beyond that as well. Outstanding, Phil, thanks so much for being here. That's all for now, folks. Again, Phil, can't thank you enough for your candor today and thank you viewers for watching JSATV. We'll see you soon.