 So thanks again and my name is Cynthia Mugo, a policy and stickholder engagement advisor at Ingrid. My primary role is really to support the coordination of the GLAAB project. And I really welcome all of you to this meeting, this evening or whatever time it is wherever you are. And we really look forward to a very enjoyable engagement. As we join, I've seen some already have started, please put in, feel free to use the chat function, tell us where you are and where you're joining from. A few tech tips, I know you're ready, you know this drill by now. Please, if you can just add your institutional name beside your institutional name, beside your name so that we know where you're from, that would be great. We are requesting you kindly remember to mute your mic. If you're not speaking, we will try to do that centrally as much as possible. If you're having problems hearing me or seeing our presentation, exit and restart the Zoom and then close all other programs. Like you just heard, we are recording the session. It will be made available on the Ilri YouTube channel after this. And then also if you have any questions as we go through the presentations, feel free to raise them in the chat and start a conversation. But note, there will be private chats. We will see all your private chats. Be careful. So into our objectives and agenda for today. So in today's session, we hope to do three things. With our current project phase of GLAAD coming to an end, we'd like to use this session or this meeting to see how we are fared as a network. Primarily, we'd like to draw on the lessons we've learned on collaboration, networking, and alliance building. We'd also like to develop ideas on how to better collaborate at national and global levels. And then we will explore ways to collaborate at upcoming events. For example, the COP 27 that will be in Egypt. So we want to look at how we can all work together. And to achieve these objectives, we have organized the agenda into three main sessions. After I'm done with the preliminary introductions, Michael Victor will give us a short presentation on the evolution of the GLAAD project. Then we will be taken into a panel discussion that will be led by Peter Valentine from Ilri as well on alliance building, that we will be seeking to answer questions on why alliance building is important, where it has worked and what lessons we can take from the people who will be in the panel. Lastly, we'll get into some group work and group planning to explore how we can work better, how we can explore how we can work better together. At the end of all that, Peter will lead us through a quick report back session and Michael and Shirley will wrap things up quickly. So before we go into Michael's presentation, let's have a brief warm up exercise in the chat. I will ask you two questions and I'll give you 45 seconds to type your responses, okay? So the first question Michael has put it up. What are the biggest issues facing sustainable livestock in low and middle income countries on the horizon? In your opinion, what are those issues that we should all be looking at and thinking about even as we have this discussion? You can see zoonotic, climate change, climate change, yes. Yes, climate change. Anything else? Climate? Yes, Michael. Oh Fiona, different, well, land tenure and security. Good. Andrew Bison, climate change, yes. In political economy, yep. Environmental degradation, partial priorities, hmm, interesting. Anti-lifestock, I like that one in the Mocolo. Yes. How to support poor livestock keepers? Yeah, we look into that lack of funding. Yes, lack of funding is very big. Okay, you can continue adding that. Let's go to the second question, balancing the narrative, thank you, Shirley. The second question is really to get to know you beyond your names and the people you've typed in. We really want to know what role do you play in sustainable livestock advocacy? What is your role in the advocacy of sustainable livestock? Do you see yourself as an evidence provider maybe? Are you an influencer that we can tap or a knowledge broker maybe? Or are you a communication oracle? Social media expert maybe? Or are you an alliance or coalition builder? You're good at making partnerships work. What do you see yourself as? Providing balanced evidence while disability. Communicating, coalition builder, yeah, I agree. Susan, yes, Susan is being gentle. Reminding the north of the realities of the south, that's a good opportunity for vision of evidence. And thank you. Yes, Annabel, thank you, Digital Media. Michael, we have a very good mix of people here. As you take it forward, let's look at this and think of how we can work with this nice team in the next phase of life. Thank you so much, everyone, Michael. Excellent, thanks a lot, Cynthia. Really nice to kick it off and thanks everybody. My name's, I don't know you already, my name is Michael Victor. I'm the head of communications and knowledge management at DILRI working alongside particularly Cynthia and with Peter too, Peter Valentine, who I'm sure many of you know, to kind of coordinate and run the GLAAD program. So with this, I'm just gonna take you through a very quick overview. I think a lot of you know about GLAAD and I think a lot of you have maybe seen parts of this presentation in one form or the other at a couple of other meetings, but it's good. I mean, and I see a lot of people who fit into where we're really trying to go with GLAAD 3 and a lot of GLAAD 3, I see coalition builders and network, networkers. The real purpose of this meeting is to better find ways how we're going to build coalitions, how we're gonna network and work kind of work, have GLAAD help people work a bit more cohesively together and see how we can support actions over the course of the next three years. So it's great to see all these types of expertise and how we can really shape GLAAD that will be starting up very soon. So with that, I think one of the things is our starting points and people answered a lot of these issues in first question, you know, where are starting points? And I think everyone brought up some of the key issues there. I think, you know, we all believe that, you know we all understand the issues with livestock. We're not saying livestock is a solution for everything and in every context. I think one of the things that we all see is that particularly in low and middle income countries, livestock can deliver a huge range of benefits and development outcomes, whether it's better nutrition, better incomes for small holders or job opportunities, greater empowerment for women or enhanced resilience and adaptation to climate change with some co-benefits of mitigation. So we really see livestock as a multi-problem solving solution, but we also recognize some of the issues that come with it. And we've also seen that investments in sustainable livestock do not match their potential. And we see that for a number of reasons, the anti livestock groups that have been emerging that we've just discussed about. And we see others really starting to kind of pressure investors who have been traditionally interested in livestock for a variety of reasons now having some questions. So, you know, the objective and focus for us in GLAAD is to really kind of grow the intellectual financial and policy support. It's not just about growing the kind of investments in livestock, but really engaging in the intellectual and policy support for the sustainable livestock agenda and really start to hope to support and accelerate the uptake of the solutions as well. So it's not just the investments, but how do we kind of broker these solutions? And that's something that we'll talk about later on. So GLAAD is, you know, I think many of you know the International Livestock Research Institute. And I think GLAAD and its evolution has followed where Ilri has gone as well. You know, for Ilri is a research institute for, so for much of its focus since its creation, establishment has really been focusing on generating evidence and doing evidence-based research. And GLAAD started in response to some of the anti livestock discussions, the lack of investment in the livestock sector. And we've been learning as we've been going as well. So GLAAD has been definitely a learning process approach. So the first phase of GLAAD was really kind of testing things out, developing, kind of gathering the evidence, bringing it together, developing some messages and really then testing out how we go about engagement and how we do communications and media outreach. In phase two, we really started to then focus on communication since we had gathered a lot of the evidence and we were able to synthesize that that was put up onto the Wildlife Sock Matters website. We really started then testing the waters and you'll see that in some campaigns and products being a bit more intentional and a bit more kind of proactive in some of the work that we had been doing, doing a little bit more proactive media engagement, working a lot with Marchmount and Marchmount's been working a lot with the GLAAD community to be a bit more proactive in how we go about media. We started working with and through ambassadors. So understanding that it's not just the message but the messengers. And then, again, more strategic influencing and engagement at key international processes and we'll hear some of that today, whether it was about UNFFS, looking at livestock master plans, bringing in the One Health agenda as well. And now as we move forward with the GLAAD 3 where we really wanna grow financial and policy support, we wanna be much more strategic and focus where we can, moving from just disseminating, broadcasting messages and engaging in different events to really trying to broker investable solutions. And we wanna target and engage communications and make communications much more kind of intentional and smart around the priority topics. And again, why we're here today is to really focus on building alliances. Let me go through. So just really quickly, what we've seen over, as you've seen with this kind of evolution, I think we've done a really good job with kind of strategic engagements and partnerships, getting into the right kind of meetings and places. We've had a lot of great innovative comms products over the last couple of years, did a lot of great op-eds, getting our kind of perspectives a lot more in the media. And we've been working with a lot more people. We feel, we've been working with a lot more kind of networks and alliances and ambassadors over the last couple of years, but we still need to do better on that. And a lot of new narratives have kind of emerged and kind of seen as a priority. Gender mainstreaming, we've really tried to work on. And then kind of not just working at the global level, but really taking it down and working with people like Jackson, Ben in Uganda and Amos in Uganda, in Tanzania, about the livestock master plans, working with caught up as well. So really trying to not just work at the global level, but at the national level. And so we really wanna build upon that for phase two. Again, in terms of what we're here for today, I think we really started to build networking, particularly as Cynthia's come on board to really work with a range of stakeholders now. And you can see these are just some examples of where we've kind of worked together with different groups. We've worked with, you know, the GLADD group with venture 37 on a webinar series. We worked with quite a few different groups on Eat Lands at Advocacy, the international year of rangelands and pasture lands, a lot of work, informal markets and food security. So again, the list is there, I'm not gonna read it all out, but we've had a lot of interactions and trying to work with a lot of different groups. And again, I think some of the lessons for us is that D groups, again, isn't a network in itself, but it's a place that's appreciated as a space to share information and get updated. We haven't had so much discussion on the D group. So maybe that's something that can emerge as well. But again, it seems to be a space at least where people can share information. I think we've had success when we focused on issues or big processes. So joining in and trying to support the great work that was done by everybody at the international for the international year of rangelands and pasture lands and then really trying to be a bit more intentional about how we kind of worked or engaged in the UNFFS space both at the national level and at the global level. And sometimes we find getting that common interest to engage in wider coalitions and build campaigns together, it is difficult, trying to get everyone on board, trying to get different messages, but that's what we really want to try to... We haven't had so much success and we want to learn a bit more how we can do that. And I think that's part of the meetings today. So just really quickly, I'm looking at time. So the future of GLAD 3, I just want to quickly go through how we're going to be working in GLAD 3. So our initial value proposition is really to use evidence, targeted communication, brokerage and influencing these kind of pillars that we work through to demonstrate how sustainable inclusive livestock systems can meet development needs of the low and middle income countries without compromising their future. So we really, again, want to focus on the diversity of livestock systems and we want to do that through making sure that we're emphasizing the sustainable and kind of multi-problem solving nature of livestock. GLAD, again, does this through a variety of mechanisms. We really want to amplify and elevate evidence to go in beyond the livestock sector. So not just focusing on livestock sector opportunities, but where can we go in the nutrition space or in the food system space or in the climate space or other areas where livestock is a solution. We want to work with multiple partners beyond research. We want to foster again, kind of even starting with here this community of livestock champions. And we really want to make sure that we're being a bit more strategic and impactful and not just working on everything, which has been, you can easily get kind of involved in so many different processes or events. So what we've been going through and what we've seen and it's evolved naturally is kind of like three major priority issues that we really want to focus on. And that is livestock derived foods and safe and nutrition healthy diets. So the whole nutrition and diets area in space, climate change and adaptation and resilience, again, with the co-benefits of mitigation but really focus on climate change and adaptation because that's the big issue in low and middle income countries. And I think that again came up in what everyone saw as the issues. And then rangelands, land restoration, biodiversity and what Fiona had mentioned is the whole land issues that are coming up and kind of affect pasture lands and rangelands particularly. And we address these through these kind of four approaches that we work through. So our intervention approaches, again, at the heart of GLAAD is about evidence-based advocacy. So it's really still about gathering the evidence. It's about communicating the messages. And really now we're in phase three moving away from just kind of bringing together a coalition and providing those messages but really trying to find ways to broker interactions amongst livestock champions and investors so they can actually move together. And then we want to be able to build coalitions and alliances for targeted engagement and influencing in different processes. So those are our four intervention approaches with the kind of key areas that we work on. And what we see is like we'll be working on those at different levels of intensities. So for instance, we have our fourth area that I didn't mention which is kind of nuancing the whole discussion around sustainable livestock. So how do we do that at the global level to show the diversity of livestock systems that it's, you know, what are those livestock systems whether it's milk, meat, eggs and that it's not just one big thing but it's showing the nuance of that. So looking at different areas like so for instance in the nutrition space, we feel that there's a lot of evidence already but we still need to do communication. We feel there's a lot more opportunities and prioritization around the brokerage area and then focusing on influencing a bit. If you look at climate change and adaptation we've discussed with partners and others there still needs to be evidence generation but we really wanna focus our efforts around communicating this whole issue of climate change and adaptation and seeing livestock as a solution rather than as a problem in the climate space and then working on brokerage and influencing to a lesser extent. And then in land and biodiversity again the focus is much more on gathering the evidence and then doing communication and then a little less on brokerage and influencing. So again, each of these areas will have like a theory of change in a sense or an impact pathway and kind of focus on different areas and different intensities. For alliance building and one of the things that would be good to get feedback and start to learn from everybody today on is what are some of the principles that we need to think about when we're on alliance building. So, focus what we've seen is focusing on issues, topics and processes that people are already working on so we can collectively work on these important spaces. So rather than trying to work on something new really see where our network, where our partners really see the priorities. We really wanna add value. We wanna see glad as a space that adds value we're not gonna try to do new activities but really kind of compliment what's happening. We wanna work with champions and people who wanna be here. So it's great to see 30 people here who really want to work together. And then again, let's try to see how we can co-design and activities and make sure that everyone is getting out of the interaction what they need to get out of it and can move forward when we're working on kind of collaborative activities. So with that, I think, and again, just summing it up we wanted to, you know, glad three will really be about moving to a more targeted approach in a couple of different areas, moving from a lack of investment in a sense to matchmaking and working with champions around solutions. And then again, strengthening our alliances with like-minded partners and organizations. So with that, I hope that kind of summarizes it for you and we'll continue to talk about that. If there are questions, we can answer those in the chat as well, because I think we're gonna move on to the panel discussion. So thank you very much. Peter, do you wanna move over or do you wanna take it over now? Yeah, thank you Michael. Thank you everybody, it's a pleasure to see so many people here this afternoon. Good, so Michael's given us the big picture and one of the things he emphasized really was that we were talking very much about how do we work together more effectively? How can we be being better with this alliance building to support advocacy, to promote more and better investment in sustainable livestock and food system? So what we're gonna do now I'm gonna just start with a few thoughts and then we're gonna have a conversation with a few colleagues here around some of their experiences and some of their thoughts and ideas about working together. And I want to really just start it off by looking back at most of us if we can remember a year ago, we were deep in this food system, summit process and you will probably recall or have heard about or perhaps engaged in summits and pre-summit and dialogues and action tracks, coalitions, science days, country pathways, solutions clusters. You remember there was a whole kind of panoply of discussions and interactions and engagements. I think many of us were engaged to some to learn much more deeply and specific things or perhaps we were trying to work across. And within the GLAAD project in the last couple of months we've been talking to a few colleagues from within the network but also around try and reflect a little bit on how well we did we do, what lessons did we learn in terms of trying to engage with this quite a messy, quite a difficult to kind of follow process. And I'm not gonna summarize all the main points now but before we lead off a couple of things that kind of came to mind was we were trying to see, well, how did we do with livestock? How did livestock kind of not perform but did we lose or win? It's a rather simplistic, we don't wanna see it like that but the sense in a sense is that livestock, the sustainable lives of our agenda, we didn't lose ground. I mean at the very beginning people felt like this could be a mechanism by which livestock was kind of had the finger pointed. We don't livestock are not a solution for our planet but in fact, we have a sense we didn't lose ground but perhaps we didn't also gain much ground although there are pockets of real progress. I mean, I heard around food safety, for example where this really got recognized as an important issue and I think around rangelands too but in other areas, the things are still up in the air and the message from the colleagues very much as well that was one process, one interaction but we didn't lose ground, we perhaps didn't make ground but there's many more of such processes going on because other events coming up there's still a very active anti livestock lobby globally. So, and we were trying to see what else can be learned from that and one of the lessons in a sense was that many of us, many different actors, if you look at the global agenda for sustainable livestock, any of our individual organizations, our networks, lots and lots of people engaged and one person said to me, we did a lot of engagement and we're involved in a lot of follow up but we're not really together enough. So that's kind of this working together was a little bit, the focus then for this conversation we're going to have right now. So, and we all, I think in the areas we work and we often think working together, collaboration, a partnering, a lines building that helps us to reach better, to get impact. This is all kind of rather people, it's very obvious we all do it, we're all natural collaborators and sharers but in reality, when you get down to it, it tends not to be business as usual. So today, what we're going to do, we're going to have a conversation among four colleagues here to really see what really motivates working together and collaboration, why do we really need to do this and actually how can we make it happen better? So I'd like to invite Michael or whoever, I'm not quite sure somebody is spotlighting me but I hope somebody can also spotlight Namukola Kovic who's going to be joining us as well together with Isabel Voltenbeck, Lily Paravani, and Jackson Mackengy. Nice to see you Namukola, happy that you could squeeze us in your lunch break in Dakar. Isabel, great to see you guys. I can see, I think we're missing Jackson still on my screen at least. And he'd be, oh, I can see him on the top screen. So welcome everybody. So what we're going to do is just have a very informal conversation. What I'm going to do is ask each of the people to introduce themselves very briefly. You would have seen already in the chat, they all said something. We're going to talk a little bit about this motivations business. Why is it so important that we work together beyond the kind of the very generic, oh, we need to and we like it. But why? What's the real business propositions in a sense? And what are some of the tips? So Michael, if you could, I don't know if you can help me with the timekeeping. I'd like to start Namukola. Tell us a little bit. Can you introduce yourself? I saw on the chat that you said you're an influencer and integrator. Tell us a little bit. What role do you play in the sustainable livestock space? Well, in the sustainable livestock space, I think I am new in terms of those particular terms. But as a nutritionist advocate, livestock has been part of the food basket that I have been advocating for years because of the high density of nutrients in livestock products that allows to be able to improve nutrient intake with small quantities of livestock. And then the other thing is just looking at other roles that livestock plays in low, middle income settings, in rural settings, where the diverse food basket that we are looking for to address nutrition better is not possible without livestock providing all sorts of roles. One is in the actual production itself, the role that livestock plays in traction and farm power. And then the other thing is the role that livestock will play almost as an investment for poor communities where it is actually a bank account upon which food security depends when the times are hard, it's livestock that comes in the place to save the day. People sell livestock to buy these other foods because those other foods are not available there or they don't grow there. So if you get rid of livestock as a nutritionist, I don't see how I can adequately reach good nutrition outcomes in a lot of these low and middle income countries, especially in pastoralist settings. So that's where my advocacy for livestock comes from. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for reminding us of the different functions that livestock provides. You also work with the International Livestock Research Institute. And let me move on to your colleague, Isabel. Isabel said, question, tell us who you are, where do you fit in this livestock space? I think you said on your chat that you are a provider of balanced evidence. Trying to, at least. Yes, I'm Isabel, I'm an economist. I am at an atelier as well with Namukolo. She's an artist, I'm in Nairobi. It's called Nairobi, those days. Yeah, where I fit, it's really about looking at the evidence for livestock for livelihoods. I just in English, I like this word, livestock, because it starts with lives. And really, I don't like the English language, but in that particular case, it's a very great word, livestock for lives. So it's really about the different functions of livestock. And Namukolo already mentioned that the hemorrhage change, focusing on the livestock keepers, which are really key, obviously. They are the one producing the milk, the eggs, and the meat in terms of income, in terms of food, in terms of employment as well. People need to have jobs, they need to be able to derive an income from the activities, and livestock do provide all of that. But even beyond the life, the producer notes of the value chains, really all the people depend as well on livestock. And where I fit in is the evidence of the different functions of livestock. How do we get trade-offs in terms of adaptation but as well in terms of what does it mean in terms of the change of climate, the change in market demand, what interventions are being promoted and needed to improve people's livelihoods to livestock for the livestock keepers and other value chain actors. So for example, on interventions at value chains in terms of being a bit stricter, in terms of sales of raw milk, what does it mean? It may mean, okay, on one side, better hygiene, better food safety, but then higher price, possibly, who will bear the cost of that? Who actually then the mother have to reduce consumption, their purchase of milk for the kids? So it's a very complex system. And this is why I think we need scientists, we need researchers, economists like me, but working with different types of other scientists to get this balance evidence. And that's what I'm trying to do at the base. I can provide that clear and balance evidence. Thank you. Okay, let's move on to Ellie. Same story, Ellie, in terms of who you are and where you fit in this space. Sure, great. Thank you and thanks for having me. So yeah, my name's Ellie and I fit into this space because I coordinate a coalition called the Action for Animal Health Coalition, which was set up by Brooke. We launched about a year ago. But the idea behind this coalition, it's more about strengthening the animal health system. So we recognize that there was lots of organizations working on specific types of animal or specific diseases, but no organizations working on the system itself. So we brought together 12 different organizations working in different areas to take that more system style approach. And for me, my background is really campaigning, advocacy and campaigning. I'm not a technical expert by any means. So I've campaigned previously around animal welfare and human rights. And I try to bring that kind of campaigning mindset into this sector. So that's how I fit into this. Thanks very much, Ellie. So it's nice. We have the nutritionist, the scientist, the campaigner, Jackson. Tell us, Jackson, I believe you're from the private sector, which is super. Same story, tell us who you are, where you fit in all of this. Yeah, thanks, Peter. I hope I'm clear. You can hear me well. Very good. Great. So thank you so much. I'm Jackson Bahengian. I work for Dalberg. And I think in this piece, I fit as investment promoter because I've been working in promoting investments, especially the private sector investments in the livestock sector, in the other sectors as well, but mostly in the livestock sector. And I think this is a great space out there and creating coordination in the livestock sector is really, really important. And for us who are actually working with the private sector, it makes a lot of sense because for the private sector, actors to invest in the sector actually needs a lot of efforts from even other actors in the space. We have learned quite a lot in the investment promotion in Tanzania that most of the private sector investors who are actually investing in the livestock sector actually depends on a lot from the public investments that are made in the sector. That actually creates the environment for private sector to invest. For the time that I've been working with private sector in Tanzania, I've actually realized that most of the investments that are actually made in the sector are as a result of the public investments that have been made in terms of the policies, in terms of the taxes, the reforms that are made, the business environment that are actually made by the public sector. So definitely I would say the coalition is really an important tool to drive the sector and make the transformation because every actor in the sector is actually a key and every actor depends on the other. And for us who are actually promoting the private sector investments, we would say the coalition will be a key tool in terms of bringing in the private sector investors and that will be a way to transform the sector. Over to you, Peter. Great, thank you very much, Jackson. So investment promoted, but you talked a lot about the public was in terms of the private sector. I think we have a really interesting mix here, which is super. So that was really just a quick introduction round. So we kind of get our heads a bit into the colleagues in the panel. So I'd like to start, let's go back into the, let's get into the meat of it now, Namakolo. So this food system summit has created really, I mean, it's really created almost a new terminology and a new language, a new framing, a new concept. We have the food systems in the sense that we can all gather around. And now we have these coalitions and especially these food systems, these country pathways. So what do you think are the critical one or two just briefly, I think of challenges or opportunities you see for, let's say, the sustainable lifestyle community, if that's us. What do these country pathways mean for us? How important are they? Should we be in them, out of them? Where do you see this? And the sense of working together in a live building. Do we need to do more of that differently? Yeah, so I think maybe quickly that just to say I was on the leadership teams of two of the action tracks and I am a founding member of one of the coalitions, the healthy diets coalitions. And then in the country level, I was also quite engaged at working on country food systems transformation pathways. On your question, should we be in it? Absolutely. I think if we are not part and integral parts of what's going on with the national food systems transformation pathways, we essentially shouldn't exist is what I would say. Why? Because the country pathways are linking to national agricultural development programs and they want to transform food systems in such a way that the agricultural development that we bring forth takes a broader food systems perspective so that we can create these linkages that are needed for a holistic and better functioning food system. Livestock should be an integral part of that. Whether we're talking about climate mitigation, we need to figure out what is the role there of livestock? How do we sustain livestock? What are the sustainable livestock solutions? If we are talking about better diets, what role can livestock play and how do we bring the sustainability component to those diets through the type of production practices that we actually engage in? If we're thinking breeding of livestock, we need to think of those breeds of livestock. Where do they fit in in the broader climate mitigation space? How do they contribute to diets? How do they contribute to health? And then there's all the whole issue of pandemics and what if you livestock are right in there? So in my view, short answer to your question, it is critical that we are integrated within what's going on with the food systems transformation pathway. We have an important role to play if livestock is to do the role it should be doing without getting into the troubles of land degradation and greenhouse gas emissions and what if you, all of those are challenges. But if we are not there, then who's gonna address the issues? And I think we are better positioned to do it than somebody else who's going to say, get rid of the livestock. Thank you. So it sounds like it almost exists in the word existent. It's the house existential we have. This is the place where all the agenda has come together at the country level. And if we're not there, we're going to miss out. And other people will miss out. Okay, let me move on. Thanks a lot. Isabel, you're the scientist, you're leaving a global CGI or initiative around livestock and more. Country work is presumably, the work on the ground in the countries is pretty critical. So what do you see? Where does collaboration fit in this? I mean, we all say, yeah, yeah, let's collaborate. What kind of outcomes and impacts would you really want to see happening in terms of working together, collaborating for your research agenda, your science agenda? Yeah, thanks, Peter. And I think I'm going back to what Namokolo was saying about really focusing on building on what the country needs with their food system, consumption pathway that they have identified. So the work at country level from the initiative that you mentioned, which is called Sapling for sustainable animal productivity for livelihoods, gender, nutrition and gender equality. It's really about ensuring that the research we do meets the demand from the country's stakeholders and actors. It's really about anchoring our work into what is required, not, okay, us scientists feel like sometimes working on our own topics and deviating from possibly most urgent questions. So the fact that we have, we've been able to work in seven countries working, not just working with, but really being embedded in country, in country work for me has been very important. And just to be able to do that, what we started to do is even when, before we finish the proposal was to engage the stakeholders and the actors from different, from researchers, of course, we like working with our friends, researchers, but as well, you know, the private sector, the NGOs, the government, of course. And then as we started the proposal, the project itself in, from January, you know, co-creating that program through a field of change approach. So a very strong actor-led, you know, country-led research. And I think it's only by addressing, you know, what people need and matching with our research expertise and entire, but I think we're gonna really move this sector forward. Really this collaboration is really key, addressing the right challenges. Yeah, I really did that first of time. Thank you. So it sounds like the more people in the room, the better it is for scientists, yeah? And Mika, well, I kind of come back to you on that way, thinking about it. Ellie, same story, well, tell us a little bit. You mentioned already about the Delaware Health Alliance. So you, so what is it going, why do we need a new alliance? What is it that we need to have? Why are we having an alliance? Why do we need to work together? Tell us a little bit. Can you give the value proposition in a couple of minutes? Yeah, absolutely. I think quite similar to what I was saying before. I think what we're really trying to do slightly differently from other, and I would call ourselves a coalition rather than an alliance, is that we're really trying to look at that systems level, you know, because like people have talked about before, there are so many issues at the moment where animal health is part of the solution. So AMR, rising zoonotic diseases, climate change, food security, so many things. And if we can focus at the systems level rather than on something, you know, like a specific disease, then maybe we can have a more kind of cascading impact across all of those issues. So really that kind of domino effect type theory of change. So, you know, all of our members have different strengths and I think that's where our strength as a coalition is. We're all working on separate issues and this coalition is really trying to bring all of those together as a whole because I think one of the most important reasons to set up a coalition is when you're trying to solve a problem that's much bigger than you are, you know, where you need multiple organizations to come together to solve it. So I know we haven't got much time so I'll keep my answer brief. Okay, so it sounds a little bit similar than I get to it. I mean, you need to bring the right people together and I guess it's the sum of the strengths is what we're looking for at the system level. Let me go to Jackson, completely different story Jackson. You've been involved with his lifestyle master plan process in Tanzania, which is intended to kind of guide investments that are kind of almost the very high level for the whole country. And also brings people together. What's been the added value of the collaboration piece of this? I mean, you know, I mean, I kind of had, I have in my mind a bunch of modelers in the room doing things with computers. But was there actual real collaboration going on as well? Working together, stakeholder engagement and all those good things? Thanks, Peter. And yeah, very, very good question. So I'll say yes, through the master plan implementation we have actually learned quite significantly and especially people coming together, bringing together the agenda, working on the focused agenda. That has been quite very significant in transforming the sector. Giving an example, taking an example of the Tanzania lifestyle master plan. So the country set an agenda and actually defined a long term framework through the master plan. And most all the key stakeholders in the livestock sector actually were able to define where they fit in and how are they able to contribute to transforming the sector through the broader framework of the master plan. And what we have learned over time, all stakeholders coming together to define their agenda together has been quite very helpful because everyone coming in with a strength. They have different strength that they are putting in together. So having all of them together we are able to transform the sector. I can give a very specific example. Recently we actually worked with the dairy sector stakeholders and what we're trying to do was to, we had an agenda to transform the dairy sector. So we actually came up with the priorities from the master plan and agreed on which are the important priorities that we should focus on. And every stakeholder agreed that these are the priorities that we need to focus and everyone actually committed that I will contribute this initiative or commit this in terms of financial, in terms of the policies. So there were a lot of commitments that actually were put together and that helped to transform the sector. So we have quite a very good plan of transformation in the dairy sector because every stakeholder came in and contributed significantly to the journey of transformation. Okay, thanks. We're running short of time. So I'll stay with you, Jackson. Let me, you just described very nice is the process by which all these people came together. Secrets of success for working together. Can you give me just in half a minute what's a big tip you want to share with us? Secret of success, working together to transform the dairy sector in Tanzania. What's the secret of success? Great. So I think there are a few factors that I would say that I would say that just one, I think aligning to the common agenda is a great... Aligning to the common agenda. Okay. I think we've lost tracks of them actually. That's a factor for all stakeholders to come together. Okay, so aligning to the common agenda, that's what I heard, yes? Yes, aligning to the common agenda. Assuming that the common agenda is somehow reckoned. Yeah, everyone lies into that idea, right, in the beginning. Okay, Ellie, same thing. Secrets of success for building a great coalition not an alliance. Yeah, I would say make sure that your structure is very nimble, very quick. You can make decisions very quickly. Have a clear set of key messages that everyone agrees on so you can just go ahead without wasting too much time. That's my key recommendation. Okay, one point had about four hidden into it, yes? Okay, let's go to Isabelle then. One secret of success, working together. Be honest. Honesty and faithful trust, yeah. Be honest. When you don't know, you don't know when you just say it and if, yeah. Okay, honesty, building trust, yes? Okay, Namakona, last word for yourself. Secrets of success in integrating, influencing, working together, or muted? I think rather than having a common agenda, I would say a common vision. And then the different stakeholders will have their own agendas, but those agendas would then align towards contributing towards that common vision because the entry points for different stakeholders will be different. So a common vision that would align everybody's efforts to me would be the secret. Okay, so we need the vision, we need the alignment to the vision. Isabelle, we're talking about the trust and honesty. And then I talked about the clarity of decision making and really clarity of messaging and all those things. Good, we've run out of a bit of time. If anybody else would like, if you wanted to say something more, panelists, please put it in the chat for us. We're gonna have to move on and have been chased by Michael with the time here. So thank you so much for sharing your insights and lessons. I think every one of these stories we actually began to hear about would be a really great little new workshop on its own actually, and each one of them was worth digging deeper into. So we're going to move on to our next part of the agenda. And I think I'm still talking for this. Is that right, Michael? I think we're going to do a quick exercise. What we wanted to do was we've been, we've been hearing from our panelists. So we wanted to send you all to an idea board to do a very short plenary exercise. So you should see in the chat, it linked to an idea board. Idea board is a really simple thing where you can go there and you can post your ideas and suggestions and comments. But what you should do, you should be able to click on the link, go to the board, and thank you very much, Michael, for sharing it. So what we would like you to do is only in five minutes, if you could just take, on the left-hand side, if in terms of working together to build alliances or coalitions or to advocate, what's worked? And you should be able just to click, if you just click on that green plus sign, it will just open up for you and you can just type in your text, yeah? So we'd like to know if there's something that really worked for you. If you want to put here honesty or a vision, tell us what works. In the middle, if you look back and around us, have you seen or did you think there was a missed opportunity in terms of working together that we came across where we say, huh, that's something we missed, but why did we miss that? Was the food system summit, we all ran ahead, but did we miss an opportunity there? And on the right-hand side, and I can see somebody already putting something in, super exactly the same, right? On the right-hand side, looking forward, looking to the next 18 months or 12 months or six months, what's there an opportunity for us to work together to really, what you see the big opportunity coming up? Do we think the COP 27 is going to be a big opportunity? What do you think? If you can just take two minutes and add a few sheets, cards onto the screen, and then we have a quick look at them to see what we get. I'm already seeing, for example, what works well, starting with a vision and not forcing full alignment, yeah? And then we're also seeing a quick reference cheat sheet, like I said, the key messages and assets. So basically everybody who's here, everybody should just click on the link and you should have access to the tool and you can just type things in. If you want to, depends what shape your brain is, you may want to start from the left to move to the right or move from the right to the left or just choose one, just be a middle column person, anything you like. So let's take a minute. I'm going to stop talking for two minutes so we can just type in things and see what we get. Link in the chat. Yep, I can do that then and about. Yep, it's right there now. You should have a chat. Link in the chat. So we're about 30 people. So I'll assume everybody has one, and it's something that works well or something that we mustn't miss. And you can use this opportunity to push your agenda, even if you don't have a vision. So we can see what Michael is adding. Oh, yeah, that's true. So we can see Michael's agenda. So think about this again, this is working together, this coalition, this alliance thing that has the furthest works well. And in a sense, as Michael was saying in the beginning in this lab project, we really want to try and move forward in a more collaborative way. Ah, so Andrew, if you don't have, you can't type. Okay, so not an upcoming opportunity. Okay, methane reduction. Yeah, if you want to, yes, if you are unable to type onto the board, I think the chat in the same way. You'll have to find Peter where ideas board was created. Maybe the US government or the United States, and so I think we're, Michael, I think we're running quite behind time, right? Okay, so do we want to have a look? I want to like what works well. I'm going to see, I mean, I can see Namakarra studying the board. And Namakarra, if you look at something on the what works well, Namakarra, are you struck by anything where you say that's something I hadn't thought of, or that's something, yes, I definitely encountered it. You look at the left-hand side, what works well. I think that the idea of not seeking consensus is one that I think can slow us down. I'm not sure if I am muted. Because what I find is, because stakeholders have got different entry points in the food system, it's really difficult to say, agree on what you should be doing, because people will focus according to whatever their institutional agenda is. And what is important is to actually take the big picture of saying, can that contribute to this bigger vision that we have got? And if it contributes, then what happens is you're building momentum from the various stakeholder efforts. So I think the one about don't always try to seek consensus is something that slows us down. Rather, let's look at what are you contributing to that vision? And can you help build that momentum? Okay, thank you very much. That's really, really good. Just a nice big picture, please, there. Yeah, because people do spend time trying to get everything perfect and full agreement. Maybe it's better to agree where you want to go and mobilize the different expertise. Michael, do you want to say something, Michael, yourself, about the right-hand side of the stream in terms of outstanding upcoming opportunities? Are you seeing some consensus emerging there on the right-hand side, Michael? Peter, can you move to something? I have to move the people in again. The rooms got messed up. Okay. So I will ask maybe Cynthia. Cynthia, can you look in the right-hand side? I hope you're here. Cynthia still on the right-hand side. Cynthia, are we seeing any consensus? I can see the COP coming up. COP seems to be a consensus and also my Peter country-level system. Something that needs to happen here. Okay, that's good. Okay, that then. I don't want to spend too much time, but is there anybody in the room who would like to just put their hand up and say, I've seen something on the screen that I completely love or I completely hate or I disagree with? Anybody want to just stick your hand up and you have your moment of glory on the screen? No. I'm not seeing any hands up by anybody. Anything striking? Otherwise we're going to move on to the next part. I was trying to find my hand. So I don't know. There you are. Yes. I think it needs to find ways of talking beyond our livestock bubble is important. Because the livestock people are the converted we need to talk to other people and show them what we are seeing that they might be missing, especially on the sustainability side. Okay. Thanks very much. I see Caroline's other hand up Caroline. Yes. Thank you very much. I see on the right hand side there's a comment on can we start a country network of livestock champions? I just want to mention that we already have two or three from we can build on. The first one is Gazel when we do have country that are involved. The second one is the FAO subcommittee on livestock that actually group all countries interested in livestock. So this is also a very good form for us. And the third one you will recall that during the UN food system, we also created a sustainable livestock system. We also created a coalescent to which Ilri is a funding member. So we're still working to get the coalescent out of the ground. But it is also a platform that we have that already exists that can be used. Thank you. I'm hearing I think behind what you're saying is we don't want too many more networks, right? Okay. I saw an interesting question from David in the chat, and I think we're going to have to move on to the next page of the conversation. I know Michael's been creating the groups. Michael, are you ready to stop sharing this screen? And maybe we can go to the exercise because we can pick up exactly on some of the things that are here on the screen. Okay, great. Let me stop. Sure. Do you want me to go back to the presentation? I think we need to slide the game. We need to exercise slide just the same. Okay. So we're going to move on to the next slide. And we want to just very quickly introduce that exercise. Okay. Let me just, sorry about this. Yeah. Here we go. I think this is it. Yeah. Yeah. This is an earlier slide we did. No. Yeah, one more. Yeah. Wonderful. Wonderful. That's even here we go. Right. So guys, we're going to break up. We're going to break everybody up into four groups. Michael has assigned people based on their interests. So what we want to do basically is follow the conversation. We've just had, we have four groups and we're going to spend about probably 20 minutes rather than 25. It's going to be probably a little bit shorter, maybe 25. What we're going to do is we're going to break down together into four topics. And maybe you can show the next screen, Michael. One, the next slide. So one of the, one of it is around this country networking business, this country engagement. And then we're going to talk a little bit about the country focus. And so basically we go to smoke. We want to keep people talking there. And what we're looking for is that is if we were to work together at this level, what might some of the outcome be that we would want to try to achieve? And how would we get there? The questions for the second group, which is looking at kind of the global regional focus. What are the big events? What are the big processes? What's coming up? The COP, the NGRA, other things, other big things on our agenda, where we want to really work together and make a difference. So how could we do that? Again, outcomes, again, actions. Third group, looking at digital assets, online communication, the websites. What information do we need to be communicating? How best do we do that together? And the last one is around the notion of influencers. Michael, I talked earlier about champions and we hear often about champions and ambassadors and influencers. Where did they fit in all of this? How do we, how do we, what kind of outcomes could we expect by working with these types of people and how do we make it happen? So that's the exercise. We've also created a Google slide where we're going to be capturing all the quick notes. Each of the groups has two people to support facilitation and documenting. I just put the notes in the chat, Michael. We're good. So I think you're going to send us away and we want to capture a few things and then we'll come back and do a quick plenary recap, right? Great. So with the people who didn't sign up on the Google doc, I've just placed them in a couple of different rooms. If you do have a, if you wanted to move to another room, just let me know and I'll try to get to you. But I think we've gotten everybody. So I'll open up the rooms and happy discussions. Can you share what's one collaboration lesson or idea that you've picked up from today or you've brought with you that would help us to enhance investment in sustainable livestock? It could be around the country work or the regional work or the comms work or the other pieces we've been working on. Or you say something completely different. If you were to drop an idea in, and these are the types of things, I think that we would then want to pick up and run with as the next phase of the project starts. So if you have an idea and you say, I'd like to do X in a collaborative way, maybe that would be a good opportunity to just drop it into the chat right now. Are there anybody dropping anything into the chat? I'm not seeing anything coming in. I'll give you another half a minute. In the chat, it should be, does anybody have an idea? You must have had ideas in the groups you just had. Thank you, Cynthia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. The vision's business. Okay, I can see clear messages and narratives and beating some drums together. It's always nice to play drums together, right? One simple clear message of anyone. Yeah, okay, good. Thank you. Lobbying specific audiences. Amos, can you tell us which specific audiences? Yeah, that was the question. Our group that, you know, the advocacy generally, you know, has been happening is great, but a point was raised actually by a couple of people in our group that it also be nice to identify specific groups, specific decision makers in individual countries who we think can be a leverage towards achieving the objectives of sustainable livestock campaign. So Amos, would you be saying a category of person or an individual, a named person? Would you be talking, what level of detail would you want me to go to? Yeah, I think you would perhaps then identify a specific decision maker. Yes, we then say the ministry of finance or the ministry of livestock, who you think can, you know, assist in that direction. Any more points other people? Thanks very much, Amos. Other folks dropping ideas into the chat, learning from others. Yep. Okay, we're going to, in the interest of time, if you want to keep on chatting any other collaborative ideas, synthesis document, that's interesting. These will be touch the things that we could do together and promote together, right? Translating science for the public and compelling spokespeople. Hmm. Who are we going to compel? Are we? Who's like that? Is that? I don't see who's like that. Are we going to compel? Oh, that's David. Are we going to compel people to be spokespersons? Yep. Have to compel spokespersons. Okay, guys, let's move on. If you have another thought. Second point in the chat is for a second one is, is there a doctor dropping it in now? Michael, I've introduced the next phase. Is there a specific action that you would like to see the project that's important for you that you say, yes, we need to compel scientists to become spokespeople? For example, what do we think? Is there a specific action you want to see? Do we need a media campaign? Do we need a, do we need a boot? I don't know. Huge stand at. Okay. And to the COP meetings, amplify the voices of the farmers. Okay. That's an interesting one. Yes. The livestock. In this case, I guess it's livestock. Owning farmers or something like that. Yeah. Amplify voices. Any other thoughts? Projects agreeing with Ellie. Yeah. Clear succinct. Okay. Authentic. Uh huh. But you surely more non livestock spokespersons. So these are all suggestions here. And we're going to engage. With the admission from it. I see. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Confusing nuances. I think no. Very strong about these that we have to talk about. What? Not just the positives, but also the negatives. Yeah. Because the other pond I swim in talks a lot about this. So it would be useful, I think. Isabel wants to find a famous YouTuber. Yeah. Well, agile responses. Okay. After a video of the particular ideas here, but I think we have one more. Just very quick reaction. We had these working groups just now. I don't know whether you, you, some of you chose which group you wanted to be. Some of you were assigned. Thanks, Joseph. Come to specific pages. That would be good. You have to come to kind of target them for specific companies. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you can come to kind of target them for specific countries. Interesting idea. I came up, Joseph is very clear about that as well. Like, while last of Masters matter website is still global. We need to go into country. Okay. Okay. Ever since the food system, everything's become a country. That's interesting. Okay. I think we have one more chat message. I don't know Michael. We want to do the one about the group follow up discussion. Do you want to do that at a check compensation or hand over to Shirley to do the synthesis? I mean, just to say this is again, I mean, I think this is the starting point. I think there's two big things that GLAD 3 will be doing in the next couple of months. One is really gearing up for COP 27. And I think we'll have to do that quickly. I mean, there are a couple of events, Africa Climate Week coming up, which we'll be at, and a couple of other things. But I think we'll be, again, there were some great ideas here, particularly around defining kind of a set of messages and ideas. And I know the Sustainable Livestock Coalition is doing something like that as well. So again, not trying to double up, but how can we complement one another? And I think Vivian had brought up the idea of really having strong narratives that everyone can use and use in their events. And I think it was Maria who was talking about really just trying to make sure that we're spreading the opportunities around. So in COP 27, people know what's happening. They know if there's spaces to speak, things like that. So really seizing opportunities. And then the second thing is, you know, really looking into the countries and defining some kind of core countries that we'll be working in and bringing people in through there. And then of course, working in some of the other spaces of health and nutrition, we have just so people know Namakulo is on the Eat Landsat Commission. So it's a great opportunity to use her voice and bring in things through there. So there's a couple of things going on. But I think we all, as everyone has said, the Climate COP will be big and leading up to that in other events. So I think that's where we'll focus efforts and at the national level as we go forward. Peter, you were muted. Yeah, sorry, Michael. So are those the next steps in the sense that's supposed to happen next? I think so. I think that's what we're focusing on. And I mean, next steps, of course, we'll put together a report. It will send that out to everybody. People have the minutes here. But I think again, kind of building upon what we have here, focus on the event of the COP, what we heard, you know, focus on a common vision and some common narratives. And then people can go away and do their own thing and use their that through their own agendas. And it was really important. Great. Okay. I think we have about two more minutes. So I think we go now to Shirley, right? Shirley was going to give us a few closing remarks and then everybody is free. Thank you, Namakola, for being on the panel. Thanks, Peter. And thanks very much, everyone, for your active engagement, participation, not only in today's discussion, but in the glad COP that you've all been part of online and part of our discussion today, hopefully, we'll inform and shape that as we go into the future, not just the glad project, as it were. I've been part of this journey since about November 20, I think it was 2016, or was it before, when we had a very small convening in Ethiopia and really started to say, what is it we want to do? And as Michael showed in one of his slides, it's been a journey and we've learned and grown and changed. And now we're having another step in that journey. At times, it's been quite a messy journey and a bit of an experiment as well. And so a lot of learning by doing, learning and growing together. And I think that all makes for a really good outcome. But I think we've also heard during today's discussions and in other places as well, some things that we have to do more of and do better. We need to do a lot better in sort of connecting the diversity of actors, both within the livestock sector, and especially beyond the livestock sector. How do we connect with people who are not livestock specialists, but for whom livestock could play an important role in delivering on their wider development agendas, really something we need to be intentional about. We need to do more at country level in all its manifestations, whether that's engaging with a whole range of different ministers and politicians, or it's getting others to be a voice in those discussions, providing the equipment and evidence at country level that allows them to do that. I think the important thing to say is that it's a diverse space. There's never going to be a single answer in terms of how we do influencing or who we should work with. So we've got to do a bit of tailoring. But it seems that from today's discussions, we've also had some quite good overarching lessons ways forward, focusing on some of these things we've mentioned, including very much a systems and holistic approach. And we have some fora already, as well as the glad itself. We've got Gazel, we've got the subcommittee on livestock, we've got the coalitions. So opportunities are there. And there's a challenge as to how we engage with them. So thank you all for joining. Thanks very much to Michael Peter Cynthia, who put this together. And we really look forward to taking it forward and watch this space. Thank you. Excellent. Thanks a lot, everybody. I think with that, we'd like to thank everybody and close it. We're 10 minutes over. So thanks for staying on. And with that, again, we'll send some follow up message after this meeting for next steps as well. Thank you very much.