 Our next caller is Adyari from Florida. Hey Adyari, how can we help you? Hi guys, how are you? I'm a huge fan, so thank you for taking the call. I'm a new mom, so I got the new mom bundle you guys put out a few months ago. And I am almost done with maps on a baller, I'm on the third phase, but my body composition changed for the worst, like my fat, it's just, it got higher for some reason, maybe it's my lack of sleep, you know, the baby's just not having a good time with that. And I was just wondering if you have any recommendations, if I should change anything in the program, and also what I can do once I'm done with anabolic. Yeah, no, great question. So you said bad sleep, just how bad is your sleep? Well, the baby's waking up once or twice a night consistently, and once I put him down to bed, I'm getting like maybe five, six hours tops every night. Okay, so this is a very important point, and I'm glad you have this question because people need to understand this. Sleep is imperative, just like diet or exercise in terms of getting your body to progress or change. And sometimes what we do aside from, because right now you can't control your sleep, right? You have a baby, I know this, I have a young one too. And sometimes you can't, there's not much you could do to control this. It's hard, right? So you're sleeping five or six hours a night, which is not very much. So you have all these other factors that you can control, and sometimes the best you can do is mitigate the damage. In other words, you're maybe not gonna get the best shape of your life, but you might be preventing your body from really declining with your workouts and nutrition. Now the second thing I wanna ask is, are you breastfeeding? Yes, I am. Okay, so while you're breastfeeding, your hormones are not necessarily conducive to fitness. Now it's not a huge thing, but they are, your hormones are set up in a way while you're breastfeeding, where it might be more difficult to build muscle, get stronger, burn body fat, that kind of stuff. Are you noticing any other effects in the body? Is your strength any better? Are you noticing? Yes, everything else is great. I'm making gains at the gym, right? A lot less stressful. I just, and the change is not that big. It went from like 32, 31.8 fat, right? To like 32, so like just a tiny little bit. And then my water weight just went up to, I'm just reading up the test that they did at the gym, but it's not a lot. It's just that since I'm feeling so great, right? And I'm not waiting myself or anything. All right, that's your number one indicator right there. The fact that you're feeling much better and you're getting stronger in the gym, I would actually, so I don't know how they're testing or who's testing you. Is it what kind of test is it? It's an in-body, like you kind of like step on the machine barefoot and then you hold the hand from the sideways. Do you have the paper with you from the in-body? Okay, can you hold that up for me for a second? Which one, the first or the second? Yeah, both of them. Both of them. Yeah, now take those and throw them in the garbage. No! I love it. So here's the deal, okay? If you're stronger, it's very hard to get stronger and lose muscle. I just want you to know that. I mean, it's possible, there's like CNS issues going on, but extremely rare. If you're stronger, you probably didn't lose muscle. Now the body fat percentage on those things, I'll tell you right now, I can literally make my body fat percentage go down by three or 4% in the same day on those stupid machines by modifying my water intake and- Carbohydrates. Yeah, they're super hard to be accurate. I wouldn't rely on those. Your most accurate measures are your performance, that's the most, because it's either stronger or you're not, that's very objective. How you feel, if you're telling me you have more energy and you feel good, that's a wonderful indicator. Body fat percentage tests, even caliper tests. It's not bad, but you just have to, it's a guide and it's just another tool to get feedback, but you getting stronger at how you feel is more important than that. Like if we were to order like- Well dude, it went up 0.2%, that means nothing. Yeah, so the fact that it is close, if it's within a percent to 3% where you were, I'm not really tripping up or down. So a percent to 3%, I'm not even tripping what's going on there. So long as the feedback I'm getting from my client is, man, I feel better at them, I'm getting stronger, we're adding weight to the bar every time we go in here. Like everything feels good, but the scale's not moving or the body fat percentage isn't moving, that's okay. We're actually, you're probably, believe it or not, in a really good place right now. Do you feel difference in the way your clothes fit and all that too? Yes, and I have guns now, look at this. Exactly, see the definitions coming, like there's a lot of positive things happening. Yes, it's great, I feel really good. I was just so surprised. And so yeah, I thought of reaching out to you guys. You converted me from cardio bunny to like weight training and following a program. I actually know what I'm doing at the gym now, I'm a lot more confident in that space. Awesome. So yeah, what should I do after that stuff? Well, okay, so I'll tell you, but let me ask you a couple other questions. If you don't mind me asking, how tall are you and how much do you weigh? I am five, six, and I am one, 17, 116. Oh yeah, you're doing great. You're doing absolutely fine, especially if your strength has gone up, you're telling me you have guns now. Here's, okay, you want to know the truth, I'm gonna break this down, I'm gonna piss off a lot of gym owners and trainers. Do you know why there's an in-body machine in the gym? So they can sell you sessions? 100%. That's not bad about yourself. That's the tool. So a trainer's gonna look at your thing and he's like, oh, we could do this. It presents itself as an objective measure. It's not extremely objective. All those other things are far more important. That literally throw that in the garbage. I would totally toss that. The only time I use body fat percentage of the people were caliper or underwater weighing, and it was when we were specific. I'm training someone and they're advanced and we're trying to see if we can manipulate their body fat by a percent or two. Otherwise, it was a total waste of time. Performance was a way better measure in terms of success. Okay, so aftermaps and a ball, if you're feeling good, you're feeling strong, you're feeling fit, the next program to follow is maps performance. That's the best program to follow. You're still gonna continue progressing, you're gonna still feel better. You're gonna notice that your strength is still improving, but now there's more of an emphasis on movement, integrating the whole body, proprioceptive ability. This is knowing where your body is in space. You're gonna get a little bit more of a stamina component towards the end of that program. That's the next program I would say you should follow. And if you don't have that, we'll make sure we send that over to you. Oh, thank you so much. I love it. I got like, oh my God, I have gotten the milk t-shirt and I always get super funny comments at the gym when I wear it. And then when they read it, right? They're like, where'd you get that? So I have told two moms at the gym to go and get it for you guys. Oh, that's great. You're a walking billboard. There you go. Excellent, excellent. Well, thank you for wearing that. Thank you for listening to the podcast. And again, when you go back to that gym, if they ask you to do the in-body, just give them the finger. So aggressive. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. No problem. I hate those stupid machine. I swear to God, I've had to, more often than not, I've had to help people prove. I love them. I like them. It's just another tool that we have that we didn't have several decades ago. So the fact that we have, it's just- We had Augustine know all the little- I mean, discrepancies that they prove. Yeah, like this right here. But I knew right away. That was why my question right away was what she's doing. How is she getting that, that body fat percentage? And it's common. I mean, how sad is that? Like she's got all these wonderful metrics for all intents and purposes. She's kicking ass. Especially considering she's got a newborn, which is really tough. And then she gets this test and now she's like, oh my gosh, she's questioning all those positive things. It's terrible. I don't know if it's terrible. It's just that conversation needs to be had. Not a lot of good trainers know how to have that conversation yet. To your point that it's this great selling tool for them. Most of their desired outcome is to get you on personal training sessions. So they're gonna lean whichever is more advantageous for selling more sessions. So, but the conversation is just simply that. It's just one more tool that we have to get feedback on the direction. I love it, especially when I am on like a bulk, right? And I'm putting weight on. I like to do it multiple times. And if I get multiple readings, showing that my body fat percentage is dramatically gone up, I adjust my diet. You know what though? I think you need to explain though, how you do it because I've seen you do it. And you do it at the same time every day. Yeah, oh yeah. Same food, same everything. Because I, long time ago when that body first came out, I intentionally fucked with it in a day. I went and did it three times in a day throughout the day. And I played with my water, my carbon take, the time, everything. And I could get readings that were five, seven percent different. All over the place. All over the place. That's what makes them. But if you do a good job of say staying fasted, doing it first thing in the morning, no water, no anything, they should be pretty close. And a good gauge on, okay, I'm just adding that. Okay, I feel good, strength is going good. And then on top of that, body fat percentage is hovering around the same place. All right, I'm in a good place. If I came back and it was like dramatically off, I still wouldn't freak out. I would test again, you know, just let's stay the course for another week. Let's test again. Does it stay on that trajectory or does it level off or go back the other direction? So. And it's important. I think that's an important point. You control all, you're essentially doing a study on yourself, if you will, where you're controlling all the controllables. Cause you want to make sure everything is the same each time you do it, so that it doesn't waiver because your water intake changed, for example. But I loved it for this. So when I would get ready for, and of course it's for someone who's competing, I think it's really helpful, right? So when I would go from switching from bulking over to a cut, like for the show, a lot of times I would cut a little more aggressive than I should. And I like, okay, I'm going to reduce, you know, six, 700 calories and I'm starting to move more and I'm dropping weight. Well, that's great. But then when I go and do a body fat test, you know, two weeks in a row and I see that two weeks in a row, I have lost as much muscle as I have lost body fat, you know, that I'm not moving percentage wise. I adjust. Oh, I need to feed more. I'm cutting too much. And so I increased calories. So if it wasn't for that, I'd have a hard, cause I would definitely be looking like I'm getting smaller and leaner and heading the right direction. But because I had a resource like that that I could use that, okay, I'm probably cutting too fast and too aggressively. So I think they're useful tools. I just think that you get a client who isn't versed enough in all the other factors and variables that play into the reading of that number. And, you know, quite frankly, the how you feel and strength is far more important. Yeah. And it's, you know, even with competing, I've actually had friends that this has screwed them up where... Yeah, I have buddies that don't use it. I have buddies that... No, I know people who have gotten body fat tests and they're not using the mirror because when you're on stage, it's about how you look. And they're like, oh, my body fat's going down. I'm doing okay. Even though people are like, oh, you're not looking as sharp or, you know, it's not going down, but I'm looking really good. I'm going to get, I'm going to cut more aggressive. And it screws with them. I think it's really important to understand kind of what you're explaining. You got to look at a lot of different things. Yeah, no, I'm using steps and what I've been training consistently. I'm taking all... And that's why I like it because it's just one more piece of data. You're aggregating all of the metrics together. Yeah, that's relatively close. Yes, it can be manipulated. But if you tease out a lot of things that will make it a huge difference, like if you're inconsistently tracking your water and you test that thing one day on a Monday at noon and then another time at seven o'clock at night and think that the carbon tank and the water intake difference is not going to change that, you're a fool. It's going to. It's going to manipulate that machine. And so you have to be consistent. You have to at least tease out the things that are definitely going to dramatically change it. I've just seen more people get messed up by those tests than not. That's all. I've just seen more people come to me and be like, my God, I was doing so good. My performance is good. My clothes fit good. Or the reverse. Wow, I thought I was gaining so much body fat, but it says I got leaner. I'm like, you did gain body fat. Yeah, your average person isn't going to consider all those other metrics. It messes with their head. Yeah, no, it's not. Just going to look at it like straight up. Like, oh no, I'm gaining fat. Yeah, that's what happened to her. Yeah, I don't think it's a great tool for the average person who doesn't know how. I mean, but for a coach, it's a phenomenal tool. I loved it. I loved having a body fat test. That's a good point. Having someone like you decipher it through all the other metrics and controls makes sense. Yeah, it's no different than a doctor using some of the tools that he has to get to the bottom if you're healthy or not. It doesn't mean like the blood pressure reading isn't the end all be all if you're healthy or not. But you can pretty much throw out half the time. Yeah, yeah, so it's just another thing that you have to be careful of. And I do think this is very common. That client, even the scale. So I was looking for either one. She was going to tell me she doesn't do body fat test and she's just using the scale as her thing. Or she does some, you know, what do you call it? The digital electronic impedance. Yeah, the electronic impedance type of machine that is easily manipulated up or down.