 I'm a tribe presenter, actress, if you didn't know. I inherited Fifth Avenue, Myshaw Phoenix, entrepreneur. Hey, yo, her CV is long, guys. Just go, just go follow, just go follow. And you know, Senjen? Ah. Yeah. Yeah. And Joe. Yes. We have mutual friends. Really, were you an actress as well? I actually did, but I've only done stage plays. I've never actually been on TV. K&T, River, this Michael Joseph Center, and I can't remember the other one. So you did set books as well? Imagine, I did. You did do set books? I found people, and then I just started doing these. Alley on fears. Alley on heartstrings. So it's called Festival of Creative Arts. Oh, those are powerful. Yeah. As we bond on air. I know. This interview might last case. OK, what we're going to do for the interest of time is we're going to go back into the juice that is her life. And before the break, we were talking about peer pressure and all these things, and thinking perhaps that we need a lot of capital or money to start our business and all these things, and not really believing in ourselves because we think we're too young, because I don't know, it's taboo in Africa to imagine that someone young can do something good. I don't know. I don't know, really. Stay in your lane. What? Anyway, so what she's going to is just guide us through. Tell us how she first found the courage to do what she's doing and now how it started versus how it's going. That's going to be very funny. So you know how people are like? People became entrepreneurs because you got this amazing idea. You were sleeping and came to your dream. The angel of the Lord appeared. Well, that was not the case. So I told you about my background in radio. So first, we go through this selection. It's like all over the country, they are looking for top presenters in the world. No, when you're just from uni, these things really excite you, right? We are selected, seven of us. Out of over 200, so you're so confident and you're feeling really amazing, then you go into it. So as with these things, yes, you're selected, but it's a competition. But it's not so clear that it is a competition. So you're just going about your business and then so before you know it one by one, it's checked out, checked out like that. So I remember when it was my time to be checked out, I was so devastated. I was, you know how like you get your letter that, oh, we may not be able to continue with this? So I went to the washroom and I wasn't here. No. Yeah, so I was, I think at 27, that's a crisis. Because it's the first time such a thing is happening to you. So I went and I was wailing and weeping. But when I got out is when I thought, but I can do stuff for myself. Yeah, luckily I was still doing the talk show, the TV talk show. So that was my pattern. So I had now so much time during the talk show and then now I have so much time. A friend of mine told me, why don't we do events? And I was like, yeah, I love events. Why don't I start an events company? So I started the events company and it was called Bell Enterprise-themed events. Wow. High ambition, right? Enterprise. That time I'm the enterprise. I'm the only person. I'm like solo, right? So yeah, so I went and I went that those days, it wasn't, you didn't register on the internet, you go to city hall. So I went to city hall and I queued and I asked for a business name. I paid for it, which is like, I think it's too such, is 200 shillings to register is 800 shillings. So can you imagine with only 1,000, you're a business owner. So it's not even that complicated. So I did two. I'm like boss. So I am a company owner of two businesses. So it was Bell Picture and Bell Enterprise-themed events. Yeah, and that's how I started. So I bought a book called How to Start a Business, which I still have. So I bought the book How to Start a Business and I started reading. So it's like, oh, do this, do this. I did everything that that book was saying. Then it's like launch and tell everybody that you are in business. I did that. So I emailed everyone, my friends who are journalists and everyone and I told them, hey, I'm in business. I've started an events company and so I'll be organizing events. Would you believe people were so excited? Like, what did it take me to start that? Nothing, it's just an idea. It's still even at the idea stage and I've just written like a few concepts of cold guys and I've told them, this is my dream and this is my vision. Already people were congratulating me and they're like, amazing. You're doing a great job. So you see, it made me excited and I'm like, I can actually do this, you know? So I did that. I took that. Then now the first event, which was on Valentine's Day. Ooh. It says like, I'm like, I thought about a name. I worked solo. There was like, I thought of Dance Your Mate, so shady. Well, you think it's nice, yes. Me, I thought it was so cool, right? It does. Okay, maybe I'm just judging myself. A little bit. But Dance Your Mate, yeah. Be nice to yourself. Yeah, be nice, be kind, be kind. Good job. So yeah, and it went all right actually. Some people paid to attend the event but I wanted 30 couples to attend and so I got like about 10 who paid and the rest just came in for free. I did food and things like that. Then I even bought things for catering. So the money that I was getting on my show, I invested into it, right? And then because I didn't really like how that event I started also now branching into catering. That's how I ended up catering. And then I was realizing, okay, sometimes events, you may do an event and you don't get the return of investments but if someone calls you to cater, you may make your money back and already I had these tools. So then I started to cater, yeah. And it was fun. In fact, even my producer then gave me a job to go cater at one of my events and things like that. And so I did that for quite some time. Then I thought, okay, so how can I move this? I was like, then I should start a restaurant but then I realized now a restaurant is capital intensive. You don't just start a restaurant but if you're doing a kibanda, if there are people who do a kibanda, you actually get to do it. But then now it was in those struggles that I went through as an entrepreneur that I started the network, you know? The DreamTribe Network Africa because then I wanted to form a platform where all of us as entrepreneurs can network and find more markets for our businesses. For me at that time it was catering. I wanted to know if we come together as 1000 people, likely I'm gonna have like 100 people to supply food to. And they are the person who's doing whatever business they are doing. They would also have 1000 possible clients in the same space. And so that has now ended up being the business. That has ended up being the thing that has advanced me. I like how you started with one thing. And it didn't really work out that you wanted to. But you took a lesson literally and then went on to the next thing versus nowadays I feel like we give up a lot. I don't know if it's giving up or if it's burnout or it's stress, I don't know. Or it's us limiting ourselves. Because honestly, maybe just confess guys. Let me just confess. Yeah, I had a venture that I was following up this year. And it didn't work out, but I did everything right. It floored me. I was there telling me about it. I'm so tired. I lost the emotion now, I was like. And for two weeks I was just out there. Literally I was just out because I'd put so much energy. I'd put so much, so many resources into it. And I could not believe it did not work out. Then now later when I've relaxed I come back to my hormones have come down. Yeah, now we are thinking like a person. I'm thinking, okay, now what did I learn from that? How can I make this gloss and quotes a win? How do I do that? That's my favorite thing from the story. Okay, so in conclusion perhaps, how would you advise someone who is watching you right now? It doesn't matter what age bracket you're in because it's never too late to start. How would you advise them? Okay, now they've identified their niche. They know what they like to do. All right, so now what's next? What's next? Okay. So yeah, I like what you said that age is not a limit because I'm also doing the same. What I'm doing for the young entrepreneurs is also one that I'm doing to retirees. You know, retirees also you finish your work and you want to start a business and you just don't know how, you know? So then I come on board and just take you through the journey because you are able to now go through the steps. And I think even for you, like you are feeling really frustrated because maybe you are walking alone. But what if you actually had someone to encourage you and support you through the journey? Wouldn't you feel, wouldn't you stick through to the cause or would you have like a different idea? That was what I actually experienced as well. But believe in the beauty of your dreams. Like everything that you see today was an imagination of somebody who took a chance on that. Even right now we're on Y254. It is somebody's idea. KBC was someone's idea and they took a chance and believed in that idea. So every time you get an idea and because I'm also religious, I'm saying believe that God has spoken to you and only you. Cause you know how you think at your ideas or they're all over, they're just being distributed. There are things like, I used to think everyone wanted to be a presenter like me. There are people who genuinely don't want, like to talk to people. They don't enjoy it, but they don't like it. So we are so different and that uniqueness that is in you is just in you. That vision, that idea that you have is probably just in you. So if you don't do it, then, you know. So I spent quite some time wondering, am I on the right track? And that's why I was on and off full-time employment or but I'm also doing consultancy so that I'm also in line with my career. So then I'm not just calling myself a hustler throughout. So I'm just combining both. But what if you don't have the choice? What if you don't have employment? Are you going to sit year after year after year waiting for the job? Or are you just going to wake up and say, I have enough, I am enough, I'm going to do it? So you have to just take the chance cause everything was imagined. Yeah, yeah. I like that. It's an inside job. It's an inside job. It's a, yeah, it's setting yourself up. You have to like wake up and just say, I am my hero. And would you believe it? Like you can imagine, I was shocked to become top 35 under 35. Cause all along I was just thinking, what am I doing really? Am I even on the right course? Yeah, so it's just belief. How did that feel? I can assume it was. Amazing. I laughed. I went to all the others in the house. I like you. I did. She was so funny. But I was happy. I was happy. At some point I was, I just, I actually had some tears and I was like, finally these speeches that have been making on Facebook are legit. Yeah, so it was quite a journey. There's someone who likes to tell me, always be consistent in what you're doing. Especially if you love it. Cause you never know who's going to see you. Exactly. Or going to hear you one day. Totally, totally. Although some day is, I know, like you need to listen to motivational speakers. Those ones, I started with two glasses. Now I have two ribbons. The ones in network marketing. Yeah, those ones. You become, like you and me, I'm like, hey, am I sounding like a motivator? Cause I think you become inevitable. You have no choice. But it's good. I would like to surround myself with people like you. Yeah. Me too. And just some good vibes all around. And pushing, you know, each other to be better, be greater. Journey to greatness. Yeah. Come here. When you see Kamala Harris, what do you feel? You know? Power, power. Yeah. I love that. What if she never took that? Can you imagine? Yeah. And we also can guest ourselves, I think. And she's a person of color. I.E. Black. I know. And she's of Indian descent. I know. And she's female. And she's just breaking barriers. Everything, yeah. Yeah. She's just, hey, St. Jay. There's no one talking about you. Don't even know who we are. Yeah. But it's okay. Thank you for inspiring us. And I'm quite sure that someone who you have no idea exists, but you have inspired them. So thank you. Thank you so much for having me. All right, one more time. What would you like to tell the people before we go? Go for your dreams. Go for what you believe in. If you imagine something, don't, okay, unless now it's like terrorism, don't do that. But if it's something good, something good that will advance humanity, do it. Don't hold back. Don't leave there in fear, waiting for the perfect moment, perfect time. Believe that you can do it. If you don't feel courageous, teach yourself to be courageous. Courage is not something we are all born with. It's something that comes, it's on and off. And so when you don't feel courageous, inspire yourself, take yourself, expose yourself to more things. I used to be very afraid initially, now I'm not. Like literally even making phone calls, I would have to think about it for 10 minutes. Now I just pick my phone and I call. If the answer is yes, it's yes. If it's no, it's no. Then you move on from there. And so those are things that come with time. And so don't think that you're not capable or you're not able to do anything. You actually could be the next, anything that you want to be. You could actually invent a company like Safari Comp. That could be you. And so be all out and just go for your dreams. Yeah. I cannot add or take away, but all I can say is God bless Estanema. Thank you for coming through. And whoever discovered that and brought her here, God bless you too. Now, we're going to take a break again, but we will be back with our final conversation over there. Again, we have a question on our socials at WTF on Facebook, WTF on Twitter. And we're asking you, when you were small, when you were younger, what did you want to be? And what happened after that? Hashtag is over in the morning. My name is Valentine. Please do not go away.