 call a meeting to order because it's already almost five after and we have John here this year and we have the budget committee and I'm sorry I'm Mary Nealon Mary Nealon welcome here with John perfect welcome and do you know all of us well we can introduce ourselves I'm Lucer Peter Hood Brenda Crowell Phil Hick and we may have a couple of people calling in but they're not here yeah so 505 look at that we're right on time middle sex in the making trails committee request to be subcommittee of the middle sex conservation commission also discussion of condition of bare swamp roads beaver damage and other trail issues action possible so the conservation Commission discussed yeah we're in favor of that okay I talked to Sarah before and she said at least one member should be a member of the conservation Dave Shepherd and I are already attending those subcommittee meetings okay so we'd be willing to be those members okay and we do have a vacancy of on the conservation yes if there's another member of the trails committee would like to be on the conservation or anyone else well Sarah did you did you get a copy of that that email I saw it quickly and didn't write so just to be clear the conservation Commission can form whatever subcommittee wants to form it's just that the members of the subcommittee need to be members of the conservation Commission and there can be no more than nine members of a concept of the conservation Commission they run for the seat is every four years and it and you are appointed to the conservation Commission by the select board usually people come to the conservation Commission say I want to be part of it for a conservation Commission says sounds like a good idea they keep that up to the select board and the select board approves so everybody who is going to be part of this subcommittee has to be on the conservation Commission is that what you're saying no if you're going to be a subcommittee of a board you have to be on it on the Commission but others can attend absolutely anybody can attend yes so Dave and I will be the official Sun committee someone else wants to join the conservation okay that's okay with you so what's I mean don't get me wrong but why are we doing this hello I see what hold on we're trying to turn up your volume here I'm familiar with that particular facilities okay we're not going to ask why are we so we were just starting to discuss the creation of a subcommittee of the conservation committee Sarah pointed out that the official members of the subcommittee have to be members of the conservation Commission and right now although we have one vacancy on the conservation Commission we have two people who are willing George and Dave Shepard who are already on the conservation committee who are going to be the official members of this subcommittee okay and I was just in the midst of asking the question of just just to hear why we think it's a good idea to have a subcommittee but the committee came out of the what's next middle sex yeah you went to that me yes I did and they're doing things that the numbers of the conservation Commission don't have time to do like looking into the trail use of the run the school and the other reason why to try to get an affiliation that needs some sort of legal entity so that when we enter into land owner agreements to use the trails that they're they know who they're making the deal with and that would be the conservation commission right and you know so there's also you know we're going to enter hopefully we're going to enter into formal agreements now all the surrounding towns have some sort of legal entity so you know so Joe blow is making an agreement with the callous trails committee or the Berlin yeah well the other the other issue was you get the you get the municipal granting of coverage under the town insurance by by doing this which you know I don't think there's very much risk in the activity or engaged in but you never know and the other thing is we need some sort of vehicle you know if we apply for grants and things like that yeah and you know obviously we're doing this very similar work the conservation commission is doing yeah so it seemed to make sense that we would all be going to ask a basic question why is it that they have to be members of the Commission to be on a subcommittee who said that I mean Serade but what are you basing that I'm best basing that on the statute that says you have to have members of a sub you have to be a have a committee you have to have nine members they have to be appointed by the board can I just take a look at that can you give that to me because I've never heard of that before the conservation commission just the statute that you're making us follow when we have the for town forest sub committee meeting we interpret this pretty loosely we considered people who weren't conservation anyhow we're meeting the required I have a question would you need to have a quorum now for the subcommittee voting quorum so that would require at least three yeah probably wouldn't the process be that you would make a recommended that the subcommittee would make a recommendation I mean I love these things the subcommittee would would make a recommendation of the conservation commission and the conservation commission would take the action yeah I would make so I would presume so who else wants to be on the subcommittee a sad from you George and you tell us you want a third-person anyway we have people who want to do good work on behalf of the town and that that to me is what matters I just want to make sure that we are doing everything the right way I liked it when we did some things the wrong way I'm pretty sure we still do some things the wrong way we do our best and Sarah does a good job of keeping us on the straight and narrow so can I ask a question yes they're not going to be a standalone legal entity the conservation commission is going to be the legal entity so what it's what I was saying Stephen maybe you didn't hear me is my presumption is that this subcommittee any action that they wanted to take they just go to the board they go to the conservation commission and the conservation commission votes on it so there's a vacancy and there's five members on the conservation there and one vacancy yes and it says that there are nine positions where does it say that George do you remember I would say they're being polite how about that so Sarah did we vote to create a municipal conservation commission I know I mean we could just be out of compliance with the law right there tonight what's presumed we have a legal conservation commission Steve probably we don't and probably they're advising us of what they're gonna do they're not asking us for permission to do it all right so we're just trying to don our eyes and cross our teeth here Mary is reading the Mary is reading the state statute as we speak I think it's good I mean we get maybe there's a good question for the for the league or yeah I mean I think we should I think we should do it I think it makes sense I have no issues and thank you for letting us know yeah I mean I I think all this great stuff for the great stuff for the time yeah it's amazing how many of these things have followed through from our vision process yeah yeah well this is a potential first project if I could jump into sure we're realizing that some of the fourth-class roads in town are really important for recreation and class four roads yeah yeah class four roads yeah and this section that's near the trailhead of Mount hunger is not in very good shape anymore John you just and I walk this section of road with Paul the road foreman yeah and is this the part from where you the summer parking and then you walk up yeah yeah okay yeah all right so this is kind of like this is where I bike I go then I go yeah there's some really how I've never thought it even biking there because it's so I go I have my whole little anyway and to top it off there's some beaver activity there that's flooding the road yeah and after I spoke with John and I met with Paul he said you know the first step to this whole process is to be to go and talk to the select board and let them know your thoughts on what you'd like to do and then get in touch with someone that might be able to help us with the beaver problem and the beavers are great because they're providing habitat diversity and providing some flood resiliency but they're also flooding the road which is making it difficult for recreation so I was the beaver pond on private property or state property I don't know that I don't believe it's in the right way you know in our right away okay I don't know who the I don't know whether it's the state or private landowners are on the land where it is because it looks like it could be right here where that little body of water is no it backs up it backs up the culvert so I spoke with someone at Vermont Fish and Wildlife who's the beaver expert he is a seasonal employee and he told me one possible way to deal with the beaver problem so they're not plugging up the culvert is to put in these beaver fences and he can't guarantee me that this would work he said they work best in places where there's a wetland above the culvert and a wetland below and there is a wetland above but there's a stream below the culvert and so he has offered when he comes back this spring to resume his job to come out and look at the site and see if this in fact would work to keep the beavers out of their culvert here well the culverts up the road that's actually a different spot I don't think I have a picture of the culvert but there's a culvert that's just south of the parking lot not that little shot oh yeah on the left yeah thank you go with you yeah the shack that's across from the summer parking well it's not directly across from the summer it's like a hunting camp that's been there for quite a while it was for sale in the town I mean Paul has cleaned up that culvert at least a couple of times yeah well just just just just just a couple of things more in the way of general observation than anything else it has been a concern of ours meaning the slack board for quite a while we are not doing a good job of maintaining our class for roads and that obviously they are a recreation resource etc etc and you know we have made it a goal to at least you know pick out the worst spots and these were spots that were identified and try and deal with them and make sure that we you know maintain our roads and make sure they're passable and is that the class for what yeah this class yes that part of it apart from the part so great see the legend this is class four that's class three yeah but I mean where does this starts at the Theran's right so you're talking about this is that actually the Coman's property okay and where's Jan's house she's on the other side she's over she's over here what kind of recreation are you thinking about horses bikes I mean whether there's no horses bikes you know riding walkers yeah burgers you know how people use it now really I'm getting them I guess my one of my concerns of fixing it is the traffic because people use kind of sense people oh it's this way and it's people still use it and like is that inviting more people to sort of start using that path to get to Hunger Mountain as opposed to what they have to do now which is go by Romney I mean whether or not some sort of six and one half dozen of another but people are people hate Mount Hunger and so coming from this direction driving is horrendous and you started your martini Steve we were there at Thanksgiving there'd be no way that you could get a vehicle through that not even like I'm budding for what about a four-wheeler I would tell you the other the other issue is there is that it's grown in I mean you can't if you drive a real vehicle through there you're gonna have scrapes and scratches of yeah even by the parking lot that's true right I mean it's a good discussion about what what would be a good you know would it be a one lane road to fix it up I guess that's one reason why we're here we're trying to get some feedback about a direction to go in and I'm happy to meet with the beaver person and try to get that resolved right now I know I've run the bear swamp road race and it's a nightmare running through there in a road race I mean you can barely even you have to go around and we need to I mean at the at the very least in the relatively immediate future we need to solve the beaver problem and we're gonna lose that road all together so if we can reduce the if we can reduce or eliminate the flooding and then we can approach the issue of do we truly want to widen the road do we truly want to make it so you know vehicles can go through there I share I share Liz's Liz's concern and I I you know I like to I like to walk around right around whatever back roads so I'm against blocking off back roads but at the same time we don't want to create a major thoroughfare where none exists that's for sure now it's pretty unlikely I mean I understand the GPS issue that's that's the problem we always had with McCullough Road when all of a sudden the tractor trailer comes up over McCullough Road but you know we we in the town of middle I mean we could post signs potentially but you know those people who are following the GPS they don't pay much attention to signs in my experience they go right through them so it would be a good idea to post a sign there because one day I was there a couple years ago and someone drove there and they lost their oil pan and oil went all over the road because some of that some of that is lead right there as well I mean it isn't just it isn't just dirt so it's a combination of flooding in the lodge and truth be told I'm always scared biking through this like I'm always afraid I'm gonna come on someone that's like this random person that is you you know I just I okay don't do it I know but it's the only way to get around like if you do the bike that's what you'll have to go through there it's a loop and I just you know the thought of like more people on the loop would make me nervous but that's just my suppose the road work to be fixed so that it was back the way it was maybe seven or eight years ago passable but not very desirable to drive yeah I mean what I'm not walking if someone doesn't really know where they're going and they're driving to go to Mount hunger if I'm up near Rickerson's and they go how do I get them up hunger I look at their car unless they've got a like a you know a raised up truck I send them back back yeah I will drive that way you know in my car there was a sign actually that someone had at their house at the top that said turn around or was that near it was actually it looked like an official sign yeah somehow they were going to 89 it was like to go to 89 you want to turn around somehow they thought the other the point you know that you'll have to think about and Paul points this out to us is that if there were to be or when there is a huge natural disaster that may be an emergency route that's going to need to be open you know to get to certain parts of the town but there's massive flooding I mean never know that's all a lot pretty hot but yeah I mean it's a pretty high you know when we roads of roads class 4 class 3 or whatever they are come in handy from time to time I remember the flood in Montpelier when we all the drive through the state house to get home which now they have blocked off anyone who knows well I think it's a good a good thing to work on I mean we're very concerned about the fever problem and certainly that's that's a great first step and then you know can we it's been I bet it's been 10 years since the greater's been up through there so you know to make one pass through the greater and try and fill in some of the worst the worst holes and that kind of thing and just make it make it a little better without opening it up and making it a road and it makes sense to try and find out who is the owner of where that culvert is because if you got a deal the state that's going to take a while the other thing I have seen in a number of places and I spend a lot of my summertime over in the Adirondacks and maybe usually have a major beaver ratio in the Adirondacks is they put a culvert through the top of the beaver dam which goes like 10 feet either side of the beaver dam and apparently the beavers can't figure out how to plug up that culvert so they can make the dam higher but the water doesn't rise so that's another potential you think they figure out it goes through the holes well there's one it's either there are a couple like that in Vermont and they seem to work year after year after year and once they put them in they just sit now obviously if the dam washes out the culvert washes out too they're not putting any any cement or anything to support that call anyway just another idea so this was to be part of the sub committee yeah kind of work that you want to do okay well thank you all very much thank you so now you know you can put whoever you want on the subcommittee and just make your recommendations okay so here's our here's our favorite time of the year reviewing and approving the 2020-21 budget be presented excuse me at the March 3rd 2020 town meeting action likely so Steve just just by the way of interesting information before we get into the into the budget discussion tonight I believe and I added it up in my head so I might be off by a few dollars but we're signing orders tonight for over a million dollars I think that's the first time we've ever done that just to set the just to set the tone for the budget discussion it's only the 6th of January by the way Steve did you hear what what your chair said you're gonna do class for a road there the grinder through there at some point to get rid of the discussion we already had I know I just asked somebody here so what's new in this just bigger for my eyes no nothing tax I thought you had a good yeah well we still haven't gotten the finalize but Sarah talked to them and they said just to bump it it was like just to bump it up like $800 so that's what we did and so that number's in there and so this is in with a the salaries are in representing a 3% increase I didn't know what you wanted to do so that's what it's gonna be my next question and we discovered that 1% makes about how much difference in the salaries well if I brought it down to I mean I know what affects other line items as well but just for the big picture I have with 3% pay increase it goes up 11.45% with 4% it goes up 11.79% is that what you want well the percentages is so what what you're saying is you said 79 79 from four or five point 34% on the budget before the other so if we took it down to 2% it would be 11.11% so you could I mean the other thing is to play with some of the other numbers that you know which ones but my notes say less than $4,000 $4,000 yeah that's what my notes indicate of course we don't have any idea what we think is gonna happen to the grand list and it went up I mean it took a pretty good last year so I don't know if they'll be a huge increase this year well the good news is that we're we've got a better CLA so that always helps and not that it has any bearing on the budget but right now we have $60,000 of special articles and they're still coming in so are they listed on here no because they're the budget are they similar to what they've been in the past we have a few new ones we had one come in yesterday that's for the speed signs in Putnamville which are $8,000 we had and that's based on a bid they got from the state or something yep let's see we've got a few small ones which you know is something when you guys go to do the warrant you should probably just look at them some of them are kind of crazy but we don't have this they're by petition they're under the 250 not that you know we haven't got in I don't know what's happening the ones we haven't got in is the Waterbury Senior Center that one hasn't come in yet which is a $10,000 one once a due date I just also like to point out that the Montpelier Senior Center is $1,500 more than last year it was $5,000 last year was it $5,000 for the basket for $7,000 this year and then how about the library is that one in yet that one's in how much of an increase can I just I get clarity again on the roadside mowing is that where we're hired is that the money for hiring a temporary worker weren't we gonna do that and is that where that falls in I think so Steve the question is on roadside mowing yeah is that the is that the person that we're hiring like as a contractor no no from ten thousand no just for the roadside mowing ten thousand to eighteen nine okay so because I remember we talked about hiring someone temporarily summer and I just want to wear that fit this is this new the way we break it down winter maintenance and summer maintenance there's more line items they wanted to find it so much page two on the midway down I see summer here it is here it is here it is here it says specialized services so total 40,000 that's the excavator and that's hiring that special work and then one month of wages okay so so we had the regular summer maintenance for 71 feet and then we have I guess I probably should have asked this before but the regular summer maintenance why is it 50% higher when we are when we're adding in specialized services is this to make up for like well you can see next to each one like the stone ditch lining that went up the rat road gravel went up significantly that's almost a 200% increase so you can see where it is yeah look next to each one of them where the increases went and it Steve isn't some of the students trying to play catch up on stuff that we weren't able to cover before I was just saying isn't some of the increase due to our need to play catch up with stuff that we weren't able to keep up with yeah well I get that but I'm just wondering like in explaining to the town not only are we adding in specialized services to sort of make up for this yeah time now we're also increasing that by 50% and so I just hope that we can clarify that if someone asks well there there were there were at least two components of it than I'm aware of and one component is exactly what we were just talking about that we have been falling behind on our regular work whatever that is but the other category which you see reflected when you look at the at the stone and the gravel and all that stuff is the requirements that the state because of this order runoff regulation and all that stuff we have to do things in a fundamentally more expensive way than we used to do and that caused money so you know what the the only thing I would I would say to people about this is so you know we're trying to meet the needs of the town the best we understand them if this budget increases unacceptable untenable whatever the right word is we can cut out the specialized services we can you know we can cut out the some of the stone ditch lining we can cut you know chop chop chop chop unfortunately we want to do that no we don't but the the only place really and that is an 100% true but mostly true such a high percentage of our budget is in this in this road stuff that's that's where it all is right I mean we can buy less equipment we can hire fewer people we can put in less hours we can you know and I guess what I'm saying is and I think what our previous discussion was is you know we feel like we're backed into a and there are other issues in the budget which are causing increases but they all seem relatively minor I mean right the you know the office and the computer stuff and all that seems seems to be relatively minor when you look at this road stuff so you know all I hear is that people want better roads better roads better roads we've all we've all we've all heard it so here you go this is our our effort to do that and I don't think I don't want to sit here tonight and say let's cut out the services or what's I'm just asking no no Steve did did Peter ask you about because I had mentioned to Peter about the municipal roads grant in aid program through central Vermont Regional Planning Commission for the stormwater runoff work did we apply for that I talked with Paul about that because apparently there's like 20% of towns haven't applied for it yet and I don't know if we're one of them but there's money to help pay for the stone you think we have applied for it and did we get it a long time ago I didn't realize we were going to get into debt on on my budget that's all right no no no I'm just wondering as far as that up here are the ones that have had that in front of me but I think we can defend anything on that budget I would assume we would have applied for it 80% of the towns have yes two summers ago for this specific work of the ditches with the grade you know that leaves I believe so for the stone yeah well let's make sure we do if we haven't that's for sure yeah let me just throw something out there I want to hear this is the soul searching meeting you know does it does it make sense to somehow weasel around and make it down under 10% what is 10% going to require us to cut well okay what happens if you take out that 40,000 special we could just say this is this is because of the $40,000 special if you don't want it we don't do it well we can certainly say that but let's just see what that brings it out to if you I think what you know I think what we want to say and we really think about it because for once you know I think we need to be very organized when we present this at 10 meeting we can't do our usual well we have to have Steve and Paul ready to answer questions yes correct yeah correct but I'm but I'm just saying but I'm just saying I think we got to have a you know whether we do charts or diagrams or whatever but say you know this is the question if you wanted to move it below 10% how many dollars are we talking about you think so we are at if we're going from a hundred and we took out the 40 percent we come down to 8% right so that's that that's our explanation all you need to do is take 20 so that basically says if you took 20,000 out of the budget you would probably be down to yeah so if you could get 20,000 out that's yeah well although I mean there's some things in here that I think the other thing I mean the other thing I would say is and this is more of a tax rate setting discussion than a budgeting discussion but we typically underspend this last year was an unbelievable exception to our pattern of where we try and be conservative in our budgeting and we understand right so hopefully that isn't a pattern which continues so there's going to be some saving somewhere in here whether it's in photocopy paper or fuel oil or who knows what it is well I think some you know some things have changed you know like we didn't use the supply shop stuff for the guys and when you think about that that adds up and it's not a bad thing to do and no one's going to say they have to go back to wearing their own jeans and not and buying their own boots and we you know in recreation we substantially increase that and so we have 17,000 dollars there and we didn't really have most of that stuff before you know we now have Mitch you know managing it you're spending more and I think the Planning Commission asked for extra money this year too didn't they for their consulting for their consulting and the list is like pretty much but that's a lot and I will say that's mandatory stuff I think a lot of what they're doing and that generates our funds this is all stuff that's required by the state are just having a functioning system or we are way behind in terms of health insurance took a huge increase I mean that's the other thing that's never really been addressed and I don't think you want to do it but we continually increase you know pay more and more for health insurance for these people and we never have them contribute anymore so that in itself we haven't changed that we haven't changed that and that in itself is a substantial maybe that should be on one of the things we're going to consider for our objective looking into some analysis you know and here's the old and I most of you have heard me say this before too you know it's all well and good to to take money out of people's pay for health insurance and have them participate in the cost I think that's all good but if you give them a 3% raise and you take one and a half percent back in the health insurance what have you really done right that happens in every business yeah sure it sure does and a lot of them are seeing a lot worse than right they're seeing less actually yeah but the other way to look at it is if we don't go with the higher percentage increase then because you're giving more in benefits right yeah we may be able to offset that right and whatever is being taken away give it in wage but it may still get us into a lower premium bracket right because of that incentive to have employees to treat you know I think Peter he said you know earlier on the roads are you know the biggest chunk of this and I mean how many times have we sat here over the past year with issues that have come before us that you know we know we have to fix or or that you know climate change in some way you know storms that are happening more frequently they're more violent they're creating more damage so we had if we had bigger culverts and bigger ditches would we have incurred that Macy Road washout the answer is who the hell knows yeah but certainly the better we do on our ditches and our culverts and all that stuff the less likely we are to have these yeah disastrous right washout situations yeah I mean in some of it you know being mandated by the state but in a way I mean we don't like having it mandated but in a way it makes sense what they want us to do and over be nice be nice if they give us a little more stated yeah highways to help offset some of them yeah yeah but again if we don't have good roads you know well it's what we don't have any roads and what we do yeah we can't get to work we can't get the kids to school your engines up in our middle sex it's what we do it's what we do so you know just just just again yeah just to just to point that out so the whole do we know what the by the way while you're looking at that Peter I'm sorry to interrupt don't we know how much the increase is going to be from the school do you George no I don't think they know Sarah raise your hand thank you luminary ballpark is a 6% increase go it and then they they legislate you get to work on Monday so we don't know until that six percent I thought the legislature went into a session today oh man they went today point is that in this session according to the DLCT legislative preview no but what I'm saying is how much is our oh okay we don't know because we have a consolidated school budget so we don't know what it's going to be we don't we haven't received any budgets we haven't received any budget you know I think those budgets have even been passed by the board not to mention we're going to vote it on in March I'm not I still have to figure out how those school budgets translate into cost anyway so again just all I was about to say as we're just to so in round number 770,000 out of a million three so you know we can talk about the ambulance we can talk about wages we could talk about all the other stuff and it really doesn't amount to much of anything I think we do more disservice cutting those things than just putting it keeping it in the budget that was slashing the highway but yeah I mean I don't think there's anything in here that we can't justify you know I don't think we're asking people to pay for anything that that is unreasonable you know in terms of the requests that we've heard from people in terms of wanting more services and even if it is something like recreation or whatever so I mean I guess my point would be I feel okay putting this budget out if if the town feels different they're gonna vote it down I also think we should we go back hopefully they're going to amend it or amend it yeah you can't run a town whose major roads are partially impassable right for some of the years so we also want to give you some minimal cover before this process even began several months ago it was at least my position and I was gonna urge it on the dwindling budget committee that that we our staff shoulder obligation is to give you a recommendation the recommendation would have been to spend more money than this I've been 40,000 and so any budget report that we come up with I suspect in this I know Elias agrees and I haven't talked to George the budget report is gonna make it clear that we we recommended at least this increase and as a step towards writing things that have been been unattended to for note through nobody spoke we'll find a decent way to say it I've married it no no I'm just thinking gone are the days when we had Tim Hayward on the board and the budget committee was always kind of making sure we didn't spend too much remember those days Peter I'm just I think it'll be of some help really because we in fact if you cut this 40 yeah it would be over against the recommendation and can we also just I think it would be a handy to have when we're at this the town meeting historically how much we've raised the budget we have not raised the budget like this ever long time I mean if ever and you know it's been under 3% and this is you know the we call it the rooster coming home to Rooster chicken coming home to Rooster yeah we don't need to talk about it anymore tonight but but to spend some really some time to have a really organized budget presentation at town meeting and probably a handout I think it's going to be important because this is going to be shocking and and when word of this word of this gets out I'm sure our phones are going to start ringing and and everything else and you know all I plan to tell people when they call is we've done our best job on this if the town disagrees they can either vote down the budget or amend it down or or whatever they want to do but I like that statistic 770 thousand at 1.3 is for the roads and that's what you guys want it and also is there a possibility that we could just be able to have a chart or a graph that talks about the portion of their taxes that goes up because of this because 11% seems like a high number but it may actually not be you know on someone's tax bill relatively doesn't that committee that Susan you see Susan they put it in I've been doing in the last two years okay for a hundred thousand dollar house this is what it's gonna be about 40 some boxes yeah something like that I think we had it figured out but yeah it's in that 40 dollars every percent or something it's in the report every year yeah like $100 or it could be well whatever because I mean it does I mean the other scary thing about this which we've all already discussed is we know we have major hurdles ahead we've got a road grader to buy we've got air bottles for the fire department to buy I don't even have it have a complete list but this is the end of us no we need some more people moving into middle sex and they announced that the state's losing population yes so I have a question if they amend the budget is it line item specific yes that's to me they can't say they can't say tax amount of cut $50,000 out of the budget so they would say reduce the highway budget by its dollars yes and that's that specific enough or would they have to say yes well we you manage it I mean it's only in a category we should probably research that how specific they have to be if they could that would have to be an amendment yeah yeah so there would be a there would be a motion to approve the budget then there would be a move to line items to strike a line item or modify it yeah if we can we can check that out so sure we sure we have a right but that's basically it's been a long time since we since we did that but I mean typically when we were amending the budget it was saying you know don't give don't give any money to the Kellogg-Hubert library or don't that's an example because that's no separate thing but don't give stipends to the fire department or cut the budget of the fire department but it can't be you know just reduce the budget by $50,000 you guys figured out we luckily we haven't had many people who really attacked the budget recently we've never had anybody in the last 10 years even question we always had Stevie Edwards we're more to say sure people get up and say oh my god my taxes are gone but no you know we've had no serious hard questions or suggestions about things we could change the what we've heard and we've heard it from the budget committee is you know we want you to spend more money on that's what we've heard anything so I guess what I'm saying is somebody willing to make the wonderful motion sure I believe doubt second any further discussion all in favor of the budget of one million three hundred and twenty three thousand eight hundred and sixty seven dollars please say hi any opposed Steve Steve you're late Steve did you sign off yeah I think he's gone he's gone I see report please during that can I take a look at the camera I think we have very there's lots to sign here I think there's thank you I think that's over the George I will come through as I have in the past and just try to look at some of those big expenditures not by percentage because in some cases you know going from one dollar to two it doesn't really matter but it's a huge percentage but the bigger ones at least identify some of those and then some of it I've probably won't talk with Steve about just getting what's all in place for a I think if you take his but you've been writing that with me but I must you've been writing that oh yeah that's him yeah putting it before yeah look at his the budget he gave me to plug in the numbers yeah that has a breakdown of how they arrived at all those oh yeah I thought it was in here even though it's a little bit late if you said there's some things in here we could and then you never finished well you could I mean if you wanted to go through it line I have my line I know you probably could take off and the reason I ask is because Steve you're back Steve you there yes so I thought I heard yeah we thought we lost you know I actually voted with you guys but you couldn't hear me for oh okay well we're glad to know you're with us you must have just dropped we thought you were taking a nap yeah so so yeah because I mean part of me is like these numbers are pretty much what people gave us they're all okay no I didn't make any numbers up except for like we reviewed we went up like on we looked at electrical bills and you know so we went up on some of those but the but all the committees submitted their budgets and all the departments and then I just filled in the answers yeah but we did ask questions along the way but yeah I mean I remember there were times when we were like scraping a hundred dollars five hundred dollars a thousand dollars out here everywhere that was to look at us you always kept three percent of the golden number and we're kind of like the way the it's a new decade right that's right you wanted to get to ten percent you could have essentially gone through and found yeah twenty thousand dollars if you really wanted yeah yeah yeah yeah it's interesting I think that's at the detriment of all of those right well I think the other thing we say is after years and years and years and years of under spending our budget sometimes by a little sometimes by quite a bit you know we really had a shock last year caused by caused by a number of things so we're trying to be very conservative and very realistic about what the true costs are we don't want to we don't want to be in the overspend mode again so you're talking how much we'll be short I thought it was only 80,000 yeah well and we had it was basically roads and roads and computers but you know $80,000 and a million dollar budget is not an insignificant number and it you know we haven't we haven't been that far out of why and I know we know where it is but we haven't been that far out of why so do you think it would make sense for us to have the the amount of the increases each year in our select word report I mean somebody was saying that we should do that or would you put it in it or it's not a big deal well I mean that's would take a lot you'd have to go back and look them all up if you could find them but I don't think it's I don't know if that's gonna make the difference or not it's gonna be you have to defend the budget okay budget is the budget not what you've done in the past well and I think what you what you say is that I would certainly say by way of introduction is you know over the years over the span of years our budget increases been between two and three percent I think that's I think that's an accurate statement I don't think I don't think detailing that adds a lot it wouldn't be that it that challenging to do marriage you really want to do it but I don't know where there is two two point nine two point eight two point seven between two eleven point four five yeah this is a shocking change to us as well as to the residents of the town okay well I think they'll be very helpful be could I get a copy of that letter that Steve used to in case others of us join in on the highway budget yeah I can let's me have it let's as part of our lead up to town meeting merry organize that stuff that we want to have so we're all looking at the same numbers and we're all looking at the same stuff and what I would suggest is as much as in prior years I've taken the lead on most of that discussion this year you know I'm gonna ask Steve to talk about the road issues which is the lion's share of it Phil can talk about computer you know divided up a little bit so we agree in advance who's going to talk about that particular part of the yeah I think that makes sense so we're organized for a second on this subject last year you go to report and that was of great help in the budget me right in this report yeah so wondering is that the plan again yeah yes and you'll circulate sure yeah I'll probably start working on it fairly soon just in terms of analyzing the budget and what the significant increases are and you know like I usually have circulated here and I can shoot you guys a copy it's yeah yeah yeah that's helpful good yeah I mean it was so extraordinarily well-written articulate yeah and he's gonna say and it's not copyrighted so could we use that in the town report last year oh yeah right that's you took him yeah yeah right embedded it right in here I saw that here's the agenda but I saw this I read this like would report but you didn't yeah last year's increase was 2.36 percent okay we definitely don't want to mention it here you go Phil I always enjoy your report yeah Steve did you see this draft report yeah okay keep wanting to write 19 getting to write 20 is hard I had two comments has everybody read it I read it my first comment was that it's a very expansive and perhaps it's correct view of Camp Meads plans kind of like when we were doing the town plan and they just incorporated what had been sent to them by Camp Meads so I didn't know whether or not we wanted to downgrade it a little bit everybody's happy with it my second comment was that we want to go a little further on the parking because that seems to be a big concern here parking parking at the town forest oh so it's is so popular in fact the board was asked to address parking issues near the trailhead now we just stop and so I just didn't know whether we needed to add a little bit more there since there's I just want to be cautious that you know when I tried to be very cautious and what I said to the conservation Commission and I I'm all in favor of maintaining our class for roads we're not going to reconstruct that road and we're not gonna you know we don't know we don't have the money to do these things so yes it'd be nice to create a parking lot at the town forest where's where's that money gonna come from and we don't have we don't have any land to put it on so yeah I just think we need to be that makes it a problem doesn't it so see do you if you have that select proposed draft select board report do think we should add another sentence on the town you know the top of knots road that paragraph toward the end because you won't be at the next meeting so well I don't know something like the select board is looking into this or you know something vague but showing was asked to address we are working on trying to find a solution or yeah okay so what do you think Sarah it is an issue and we created it as the town right recognizes that this is an issue looking at ways to address it you get that Sarah yeah exploring possible solutions I'm just on a positive note just adding a sentence yes so if you but if you're not changing that so popular in fact that the board was asked to address parking issues near the trail and so we're saying the board recognized this is a problem and are looking at okay possible solutions yeah when do we hear about that state-funded planning grant Sarah the one that we're applying for for the sidewalks and stuff oh which was later approved sorry that's the one Sarah that we just got our the credentials to log on yeah right so I guess the only question I have on this is typically we talk about the budget I'll do I'm gonna do that piece that's gonna be part right so that's gonna be a part of this yeah yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry yeah okay what's that anticipating or hoping yeah yeah yeah yeah okay and you can do it can be a standalone or you can cut it in I don't care which ever yeah I like the idea of cutting it in just because when you have people search around for too many different reports I think it confused yeah yeah so where do you think we should do it at the end of this yeah yeah I think that's what you did last year and also the select board report supposed to be talking about 2019 year past year and the budget report is actually talking about a budget that's not gonna kick in for six more months right right exactly enjoy it so you guys want to accept that little humor a little humor be good did you fix that artificially low where is that just on the first page is this a type of motion so let's say Mary Mary and I seconded any further discussion all in favor hi hi hi hi thank you Steve thank you everyone I think we are safe yeah thank you very much thanks okay thank you we'll see you upon your return happy new year I hope everything goes well okay enjoy mystic groton yeah you find any you see any gold bars on the ground pick them up thank you I'm missing something where there's a million dollars I'm trying to add up all these there's like a lot of things there there's a million hundred eighty okay so I just did it quickly in my head Mary I could be off but it's very close to a million dollars eight hundred and something gets you almost yeah right yeah it's pretty good start okay so what am I missing to sign because oh there's like five or six yeah okay more stuff down here yeah I don't think there's any other stuff for signature down there but I'm 111 I did I did not actually add it up so it could be 900 no 912 and I just don't okay all right I see the little skinny one with taxes and then and the Washington Center yeah there's nothing with it that's because that was that was the one you guys are ratifying that I sent out the email about okay now my god I mean it's either here nor there it's just it's just yeah it's the new normal right right less the new norm yeah preliminary discussion of 2020 town meeting warning items okay so do you have a list for us sir I have a really it's a really big warning but what I wanted to bring to your attention something I think you guys need to think about is this discussion we had earlier about putting before the voters a big purchase like a greater so you guys all have the BLCT memo yeah probably legally this year if you're gonna purchase a greater this year I mean that's an open question as to whether we're doing that this year but do we have a do you have that memo does anybody have a copy I thought I had it in this right there right there right there right there right here let's that's the statue that's what oh no no I'll know how long are we going to greater for 10 years yeah can I keep this you can keep that thank you this is same for a term of five years yeah anything over anything over a year you have to essentially get voter approval so just to clarify the difference between this and the fire to truck the fire truck was but the fire truck needed a to be treated like a because it's over five if you go over five you don't need to treat it like a bond oh I see do it the way we did with a fire truck yeah the wrong way the first time which is just ask the voters yeah yeah so you're looking at this number five I was looking at number five yeah like isn't that our truck like all of our trucks yeah and from what I understand things are really cracking down on so everything needs to be done so refresh my memory so in and I know the statute is different if it's like a town truck it's like a road truck right right we weren't we were putting that in the budget or putting the amount in the budget that we were going to spend on the note but we weren't getting specific approval for that item right but now we're now well we should have always been we should have what we I think the workaround was that then you were getting one-year notes and then you were just renewing the one-year notes okay okay as opposed to but you couldn't get more than a one-year note right community now unless you say here is the warning here's the vote this is all that approved by the town okay right so it's a lot of it has to do with banking rigs well it's actually the law okay it's one of those laws that we haven't exactly so is this a state law or is this a federal law these are all states state law this memo was from 2018 it says there were places one that was in November 2016 so this one this is from this year this one doesn't have a date on it so I think well at the very top it says home VLCT news 2018 issues August September 2018 oh yeah that's pretty yeah so if we don't put the greater for vote this year well you could put it up for vote sometime in the middle of the year right yeah yeah something that we could piggyback no no I'm just saying if there were some emergency oh right right right you know you could do that I thought yeah I think we should we're talking a quarter of a million at least right maybe more I think we should put it on and let's just do it all 11 I'm just saying that you know we're gonna want it before we go down it next year I think we need to have a I think we need to have a discussion with Steve and my recommendation is that that graders a year away somehow we got a little bit of a problem if we have to run a greater I I I am not putting another 300,000 on there I know I'm kicking and screaming while I do that I know we need a greater but yeah and I know and I know we're only gonna be spending 23,000 a year we're not spending the whole thing in one chunk but it's still a big I think the bigger thing is you should line it out line it like you said it's not just the greater it's the air packs it's all of that stuff that is really we're building issues that we're going to I think you know it's a big question we just keep kicking the can down the road we're just following the Congress not want me to include that on the warning or do you want to give me put it on the warning for discussion yeah and then we'll decide okay can you tell me give me a figure so shut like I need to be able to draft the warning 280 get a no get a number from state to know it could be three-fifth a number from states I'll Google how much is a new grader there you go yeah but you got what that's not going to tell you all the bells and whistles no no no no it's not going to tell you what that is we could have kept Steve on for a few more minutes so get out this number and to be financed for ten years is that what you want me to yes ten yes I thought we usually did seven no yeah that's just your hundred thousand dollar trucks the cheap 150,000 dollars used one on eBay for $18,000 well if the one we have breaks what's going to do that's for $350 on Etsy oh that's probably a toy yes I'll bet you my kids like the blue yeah right yeah you're right 280 to 300 what is it gonna surprise me yeah well yeah certainly we could spend $300,000 on a greater that John Deere monstrous thing they had here that they were using the summer for the one yeah for free perfect where they but oh was that when we had ours in the shop that no no when we were we were trying out a potential oh let's just try it out all summer yeah let's just keep trying that was our strategy this year so so where did they try it out from it was a John Deere and then they tried one one other one but that thing was a monster I mean it was half again the size of our yeah so they started about 200 it says start at full size graders yeah yeah yeah I think with our trade-in we're at the world I think I think it's I hope it's more like 250 than 280 but I truly had no idea it's a big it's a big money item yeah and you know the scary thing is what we don't want to be doing is leasing a greater if ours I mean ours has value now it's working it's got a lot of wear and tear on it but it's working it's working and the guys don't like it of course they drove the new fancy one and they thought oh yeah this is what we need to have you know it's like going out and shopping for cars the new cars always seem great compared to the old clunker you're driving around in that doesn't mean the old clunker doesn't get you back and forth the work I just don't I just don't want people to to flip out and go crazy literally you know $25,000 a year payment Jesus but look at how our look at how our debt service keeps going up and up and up and up and up for years and years and years and was always level we pay something off we buy something new we're actually the debt service is down from last we bought the equipment how much does how much use does it greater get on a day-to-day basis or in the summer I just wondering like how like do towns ever share equipment our town is probably too big for that but like do they ever you know when you're sharing something like that you have to use you don't want them to break it you know what happens when it breaks down well the other problem is and this is where this is where we thought there is some potential on this road more issue to share okay but the problem with the greater is everybody needs to use the same time yeah there are times when it sits at the town garage and doesn't get used but when it's road grading season every greater in the state is going you know full speed ahead all the time you know we pay more for debt service for the fire department than we do for the public works right now right yeah because we don't wait for it 48 right that's because of the bomb it's that yeah the new station right well let's remember we got another truck to look at there yeah that rescue for 9,000 felt good I didn't make anybody happy gonna pay more later yep maybe we'll have somebody who's a more cool little more cooperative anything else we got Dorenda has a little thing here so we discovered after all of our working on this personally vacation even all that good stuff that when we went it didn't make sense doing personally based on date of hire because it makes no sense that they accrue point nine two hours on December 27th and then in the next sentence we say they can't carry it over and we wipe it out so and the other side of it is our computer system won't allow to so if you cap it off at 24 hours as soon as they use their accrued hour it let's add back in that accrued time again so it's a system there issue plus the way we had this worded it so my suggestion on personal leave only that we change that where we give them the three days on January 1st of each year and they have the whole year to use that personal time and then whatever's left on December 31st we'll get wiped out and then they'll get another three on January 1st to the person who gets hired yeah term mid-year mid-year we can you know we can give them a day and a half when the problem you also went back and said that you know you did away with a probationary period and all of that so well do we just say for the first for the first year of hire will be probably rated based on the date of that or they don't get it until January 1 money that's what our office does if you're not hired by October first you get it on you don't get it for that year but any time between January does it say October yeah so basically you have to be employed on October 1st that's gonna get the next two years oh to get the yeah ours is just a you know federal our fiscal year yeah so if you're hired any time after that you just have to wait till the next October first to get your three personal days which kind of personally you still got you still get regularly you get regularly the other is a crewing normally each week they earn it and yeah you know whatever but this one is just the way it works that you really have to do it as of the beginning of the year just to make it give them the year to use it and can ask you questions or anyone that says full-time employees will receive three days are you saying 24 hours for each day because they only work eight hours 24 dollars eight is 24 okay three days and so it's gonna be or 24 hours is that now it's three days meaning 20 okay so you're taking that holding out 24 of these and the parentheses starts at the front of 24 hours and then so the question is do we want to say employees must be employed on January 1st of the year to receive this benefit or something like that or do we want to give them a personal day so that they're hired in you know March they get a day that's hey we give them we give them everything else up front with no probation so we'll just say so we need to clarify that they need to be employed or personal days are issued on the 1st of January period for full-time employees on the 1st of January yeah so it's a full-time employees you can say something like Floyd full-time employees hired by January 1st yes working for the town on January yes yes yes working for the town on January yeah we'll receive three days of personal now we know why you're a writer yeah that was why okay so so all our part-timers get no personal time right no no vacation there's a lot of they don't get any benefits what's full-time 32 hours or how do we do no so we will implement this effective retroactive to this January 1 yeah yeah so we need to vote on this yeah yes well because you're making a change to the personal policy yes I move that we make the change to personal policy as presented by all in favor and we should communicate this to the employees I mean they can't they're getting something that they don't have now in a way well they don't they do have it but the problem was was the way it was written was technically we were writing off hours so what we did at the end of the year is anybody who had some time the last week of the year there was some time put in for vacation we switched it from vacation to personal oh just eat it up just so nobody lost out on yeah that's very various various financial issues that was probably one of them was there other something else I don't know what various finance it's a good catch phrase action possible aside from the fact that we all better be saving money to pay our property tax I think that was it an estimated okay select board minutes December 17th 2019 second all in favor bye bye any opposed anybody else oh I think not absolutely already wrote about it she wasn't here oh you do Peter you didn't ask about amending the agenda and I didn't want to correct you but we have a driveway access permit for Helen Shelley Cohen on Nacey road that you guys should review and you can sign okay we have a property this is speaking as a delinquent would they not take in any action we have a property in town that is delinquent in taxes and this is just for general information on for several years I don't think the person is even living there at this point and so I need to either a send it to the lawyer which we will incur expenses for which I think we have to do anyways but the problem is is it may be the town will end up having to buy it to get it off the tax books because it won't it's not going to sell how how undoubted to us well it's four years of taxes on right now and is it as large last small it's a small lot in a flood plain it's a house it's oh I think we know what that is so I just don't know what you want me to do with it before it goes any further into debt I need to is there a mortgage on the house do you know how much is it how much money is it just brand numbers so we're proving this right we can look real quick people were taking a look at it so I thought yeah we want to usually we have to go down I thought we didn't under our way I think we did it I think that's been no you don't have to do this Paul Paul looks like he does it we well we always just I thought we had Paul our procedure was Paul looked at him and we just verified we just certified and we voted for it but I think we've stopped having motions really yeah because I remember they're all started when Eva Morse was issuing all those up into the callus I think they just need to be approved by the select board chair you used to be I think the form changed used to be a time and also we had all room for select board signatures and then this so right now it's about 2000 in delinquent taxes and 350 in past late for this year so far and I'm pretty confident that you're not gonna see this year's either yes that's what I figured so I just you know I don't know so if there is if there is a mortgage there's no more there is no more yeah I thought it was a house okay it was lifted up by okay this is the one who's permanent violation of zoning she's moved that's my notifications gonna be an issue I'm fading and I would say just back up and explain to me what what you think we should do well the concern is we keep each year we keep putting these taxes on I don't so we have that in our tax base I'm thinking in the best interest of the town because you're not gonna collect on it you're not gonna be able to sell it I doubt it that possibly we should get it off tax books but so what's the procedure to do that has to be put up for tax sale that's the only way right I don't remember right but if there again I'm sure they've dealt with that before I don't know well we just I mean whatever the whatever the legal process is we better be darn sure we go through the legal process we incur some expenses to do that right we incur some expenses I don't want to just wipe it off the books without we can't like my question is do you want me to continue to let it sit there because we're getting nowhere I want me to go ahead and spend a lot ahead yeah and start procedures okay just for the record just so we get all this on the books since you've got this document recorded today you should probably state what the house is where the address is okay permission from the board to pursue okay this is not an action item tonight is it okay so so we definitely do you want to wait and put it on the books for you know get all that information for next time because I'm not going to do anything tomorrow this week no no no I think the next select board meeting we should have a warrant items bank discussion action possible putting up 15 rich road okay okay I don't have this doesn't have the address we have an automatic tax lien on the property so do you want the property span no I'll put it all in we'll just put it in the minutes for open okay yeah okay no I just wanted to get some and as far as we know just to be clear these people are long gone and we don't know where they are we don't there's nobody there that we're kind of aware of I've sent out notices go out every single month so they've gone out every single month for three years they come back they don't come back well somebody's getting it should we send out a notice return receipt and see where it goes yeah historically you know we've had a problem with that property when we were dealing with the zoning issues back seven years ago they were we actually ended up having a sheriff deliver the notice I'm not sure the homeowner is at that house no but if they're getting all I'm saying is if they're getting the notices at least we'll find out where they are and what the correct address unless they're going in a mailbox last thing I can resend it out as I mean I just you know yeah we shouldn't walk away from no it doesn't make sense it just doesn't make sense to keep just well that was my point we just keep adding to the you're jumping ahead to getting it off the tax rolls well we don't want everybody else we don't want that there anyway yeah we all pay for it because I mean that's we pay we have to pay the education tax on that property that you're never collecting on how much is that no I got to look at the tax probably two-thirds of the yeah yeah lucky only two thousand twenty three hundred okay hey happy new year everyone yeah well she's going she's fifty-nine and a half she can retire why would you be leaving here I don't know her husband retired oh maybe I'll retire and come work with you don't be fun I would love that would you like to do that she just I just want a food shelf in addition to what I'm already doing wait a second once I get completely burned out I will do that well wait a second you just started going back to work full-time outside of the school that was like five years that's nothing any young male or female person who has a future in municipal life who would like the training for a few years as an assistant clerk for flexible hours so so just just one thing to think about when we're thinking about this how many hours does she work now 14 that's so not enough that isn't much of a job right well that's why I'm wondering it's like a stay-at-home mom who wants to get back into the work but then that's also something maybe we ought to think about as far as more time well we ought to think about really don't you don't wait it okay what about bookkeeper combining it who do we have as our bookkeeper now we also are a lister yeah okay all I'm all I'm saying is we ought to give a little thought to this about you know what the needs are and what the opportunities are and how we're going to structure this and make it a job that somebody would like to have and at the same time in a positive nice way in my right has done a lot of really good work for the town over the years but she has not and this is just her way but she has not been able to make herself available to cover for Sarah when Sarah isn't here on a consistent basis and that's been a problem I mean part of this job should be deep that Sarah can take a vacation and it's anticipated that you know you'll work out the time but you will work four days a week during that period of time because thank God you know the rent is covered I mean we've we've yeah we've arranged coverage but it's awkward and if all of a sudden if all of a sudden Sarah is sick and can't come in they have to close the office because Marika won't come in I mean I just yeah so that's something we should write in the job I get to hire Marika the new Marika it's the person asked yes I inherited Marika and I you know could have fired Marika but she was valuable and she's a really great person I think that the thing that I'm gonna look for is someone is an assistant that I'm gonna hire right because she's gonna report to me or he's gonna report to me I would really like someone young who's really interested in taking the town clerk position over a future down the road so you know anybody like that you know please let me know because that would be ideal 14 hours though yeah for a young person especially somebody with a family parent right what you know maybe Elias Gardner will be him a stay-at-home parent because I can always see him as a town clerk bringing the baby in bring up a playpen hey dog's babies well it all I'm all I'm saying is it's an inconvenience but it's also an opportunity and we should think about this and primarily you know it's Sarah who's gonna Sarah's gonna hire so she's gonna think about well now she's gonna think about it and hire we're gonna say whether we're willing to pay for any more hours yeah well by statute I have to have yeah yeah I can't not have an assistant any more than Darynda kid is not by statute she must have an assistant who is your assistant Helen weed right she's been so so ready then you know and and by the way is all the all part of this it's very very likely that we're gonna be trying to appoint a delinquent tax collector so there's another way of combine just saying just saying actually be very convenient how many hours did you spend is the delinquent tax collector you think more than she wanted you know it's no I probably didn't spend that many hours it's just it is a very difficult job it's a heart-wrenching job yeah and you don't the delinquent tax yeah so we have that we have to advertise that heartless person all I'm trying to do was just make the point that you know if we're trying to make it more of a job yeah there's a potential way to do it potential well I have to get Sarah to agree to it too no she can lift the collector of delinquent taxes if she just wants to do that's a separate job and they have to be elected you know they will be appointed initially but it's right but it's not it's and especially now going out with this budget I don't want to be there but it would be it would be helpful assuming you're you're sticking to your guns on that would be helpful to know how much how much I can well the unfortunate part is it falls to the treasure I just think I'll look up how many hours were spent on it and I didn't put it I have to be honest I didn't put in a lot of it people call you and you just don't write down 10 minutes here yeah that's the annoying part of it isn't like it isn't like it's the kind of job where you come in and you do it right three hours a week you get phone calls and that's it so you don't I can tell you I didn't have a lot of the time just because it's somebody's even let me just give you a quick update on computers the they've been ordered they might actually be arriving by the end of the week all of the offices closed on Friday so we'll see I dealing with massive businesses is just you know become insane trying to get a person on a phone anymore and technology industry is like you know but I did finally make contact with a young man at Dal who specializes in you know governmental operations and for my maybe he wants to be a little tax collector he's probably in Texas somewhere but in the amount of money he probably makes is you know is crazy money but he was really helpful he was you know I said him the certificate of for tax I just had to put in down that's all that's there and he he actually helped me reconfigure something or at least the two desktops that we were thinking about because the way I had spec them it was gonna take much longer they were you know they had to be special custom-built yeah so you know he said you know you know let's look at this and we ended up getting actually the highest level of technology available right now for Intel processors with like eight cores and really fast machines longevity like three years of service on it and less money that I thought we're gonna pay one monitor both of them can keyboards and mice and stuff but we reuse one monitor so they should be here girls oh and I'm just doing a mother credit card it wasn't worth like if you you want to do a purchase order I mean you know they want it's like credit checks and all kinds of so I said exactly and I said yep that's fine and I just you know we still want to pay the tax and I think I free shipping so it was like cheese you know keep throwing yeah exactly anyway so that's greater yeah maybe I'll go back and calm tomorrow you can you send a greater along with one so we could put the table yeah really anyway so that stuff should be here soon I'll deal with the tech group guys the Chromebook put theirs already here and I'm gonna send you out instructions on how to access the new email and we'll start it I started using it actually for this acquisition stuff sending documents back and forth with him so at least to play with it but I'll send you some stuff about how to set that up how to access it we'll play with it for a little bit and then if all goes well we'll just get everybody migrated and my next step is to find the archiving software so yeah so let's make sure that the new emails are in the new report are in the what the new emails are in that contact information in the time report the new addresses the new email when does that go to print that's I can give you that fast but we're gonna have to go through the other thing I'll I'll do for you when I get a chance is if I can get the log on credentials for the website I will go through and change all of those it took a little while but you know it's not like life doesn't interfere actually my wife had emergency gallbladder surgery just before Christmas yeah she's doing okay yeah she's fine she goes tomorrow for a checkup but yeah it was that was so sorry just while I'm thinking about it okay we just a few ladies there that we should go through all that contact information my contact information still shows me in oil Johnson insurance I don't know whether it's in the in the town report I I think it's on the website I don't know but we just okay and you've got the personal management to present to us now so we can stay here until eight o'clock tonight at least now I want to know what it is about serving on the select board that makes some people have to reinforce their right wrist yeah I can tell you what might as it's arthritis I don't know because it's just like a shooting pain right here I don't know it's just like shooting pain like when I'm picking up a pot or random just like and it's been this way for frankly years really yes and that's so I can write on the camera meeting about my am carpal tunnel or arthritis have you had an x-ray no okay the meeting is this year's meetings adjourned