 Oh, it wasn't me. Was that pain or orgasm? Yes. Like he comes blood. Oh, that's a nasty. That's one of them doctor moments, you know. Doctor moments. Doctor moment. You know, where you have a thing that goes wrong. This is the Doctor Who episode where the doctor starts to come blood. That's the opening. I don't remember that one. Oh, it was a good one. It was really good. One of the older ones. Yeah. That was probably during the season where it was in America. Really good. That's the one that they used the most fake blood on than any other. They broke a record, yeah. Yeah, it's like the shining. It's like the shining of the Doctor Who universe. Turns out Doctor Who, it turns out Time Lords, they come a lot. That's not why you like the show so much. Well, I've never seen it myself. This is all the things that I've heard. This is all alleged. That's why I got put off from the show so much. Yeah. Anyway, hello everyone. Oh, there you go. Oh, my goodness, we're live. Goodness? What is goodness? Goodness? Oh, I know that one. I didn't know the other one. The capacity of the presence of Goodery. This is one of those fappins where I'm like, is there, should we even do an intro? Should we just go? Because we've got a lot to talk about. Go for it. Start. Not all of the things to talk about. No intro. No intro. I don't want to go. I just arrived. Go! Jeez. I've been looking forward to it. That's fair. All right. So the quick vision is everyone here played Ragnarok thoroughly. Isn't that right? Everyone here through. I'm sorry, I had to step out for a moment. What was the question? I'm sure it was fine. Everyone agreed. So I think that was the answer. Oh, okay. I think unity is our strength. That's very true. Um, and what it was was, if you've seen any of those streams, you'll see that a lot of people were like, Oh man, that was, they did some story stuff there. We should, we should do a thing where we talk about it. Also the mechanics. And then it's like, okay, the story turns out it's not like, it's not one of that movie films where it's like two hours or four hours or six hours or eight hours. It's kind of like several movies, like a whole bunch of movie films and one. So that's, there's loads to talk about as to what they did right and what they did wrong and what they could do to be different or whatever and stuff. I don't know if it's worth starting with like, Oh, what did everybody think of the story instead of just talking about it? But I mean, it's going to be a long one. So why not, right? Give people a little bit of insight into who they're dealing with here. What kind of disgusting opinions? I don't know if, oh, it's probably honorable mention Callista protocol crashing and burning sad face. Sad face. Yeah. One of those cases where you unironically hate to see it. Yeah. I think everybody here actually had an interest in that one. Yeah, we were gonna potentially, yeah, really do something with her. That was my plan for the week basically. I was like, no, not actually. Callista was basically Dead Space 3. I don't know about that. Dead Space 3 weeks. Dead Space 3 does work. There's only here but it's stuttering, yeah. It's not like even the PlayStation 5 version runs just fine and it's still a bad video game, guys. It's like it's bad. It's not. Oh my goodness. It's very bad. It's poorly designed. It's very bad. Are you sure it's very bad? Are you being hyperbolic? No. If anything, if anything, I'm being kind of nice. Very bad. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I don't know. It's not much we can say on that maybe. I'm trying to think it's like, is any of us, well, one of us. I mean, Mock, you played it a bit, right? Yeah, I've been streaming it on my Rumble channel and I am going to finish it, but it is anyone who tells you that yeah, it's basically Dead Space is a liar or has not played Dead Space because it's not. It's like a Last of Us game that's hyperlinear, mostly focused on melee combat and sort of looks like Dead Space. Well, that's all. Yeah. What thing? I was broken. The other day I watched a review. A guy, I forget his name. He does reviews of games, but only after he 100% everything in them. And please review. Huh? The completionist. I don't know. I mean, he is a completionist, but I don't have his name or if that's just a title or what he says he is to his friends. I'm not sure, but he only reviews games when he has 100% completed them. That's his thing, I guess. And he only talked about the game for 18 minutes. Wow. Which is something I could not do. I don't think there's any game that I completed it at 100%. I can only talk about for 18 minutes and the review is pretty so so because a lot of it was very subjective. I don't feel like I gained a lot from watching this review, which isn't something I feel I should say after someone's done 100% completion on a game. I feel like you should just be a rich tapestry of information and mechanical discussions and things. But oh well. Yeah, that should be a deep dive. If your thing is I know this game inside and out. Yeah. Well, we did a forge yesterday. So if anyone here listens to that on all metals channel, they're going to have an inkling as to what we thought of the game or the story rather. You might have an idea. So why don't we do a thing of just, yeah, everyone can give a little blub. I'm going to start from the right side and go left because I think at least go start with someone who's going to be a little more negative, right? And that's what Theo does. That's what everyone knows Theo to be. He's hyper-negative about everything. So. Nice. Welcome. Every last thing. Oxygen is kind of lame to be honest with you. Super mainstream. But anyway, yeah, Theo, what did you think of? Well, actually, if you want to let people know what you have in any what way consumed this game, so to speak, and then what you thought of it. I have not played the video game. I have watched Mauler's playthrough of the game and several other people play through it including Fringy and Battle. But. Okay. I won't record the bots. Yeah. And I guess that metal guy, you know, I have not played it myself. So is this just my thoughts on the story? Is that what you're off? Well, your thoughts in general, I suppose. Why not? It shouldn't surprise you at this point that I'm kind of down on this game. I don't like, I don't like games like this to put it as simply and as bluntly as I can. It's, it's a very, very triple A kind of product. And I think that's to its detriment rather than to its benefit. In terms of the narrative, however, there's very little to complain about there. My being somewhat down on the story has more to do with my feelings about the overall product rather than any issues I have with the narrative itself. And also to do with the fact that the narrative is being placed in a video game as opposed to standing on its own as a film or something. So to say, I think it's an extremely well written story, but I wonder if perhaps there may have been better ways to tell it and and or better ways to tell it through a video game. I know, Andal. And or what? Oh, I remember that show. Yeah, I don't. Oh, someone does. Someone watched that. I think Drinker watched it. It was crazy. I watched five episodes and then I forgot about it. I'm going to watch it all happen and forgot about it. But yes, very well, fair enough. Rags, what about you? Same question. Okay, so I watched a long play of it and I spoke with and I've been speaking with Mahler and to a lesser degree of Fringy on the game and getting caught up with 2018 a bit before this game came out. So I could sort of understand a lot of things leading up to the events of Ragnarok. I have not played it though. I watched, like I said, watched the long play, talked a lot about it, talked about it a lot with Mahler. So I can't speak really too much as to the mechanics because I haven't played it. As far as the story and characters go, I really like them a lot, particularly the characters and the characters writing. I'm extremely happy that in a big popular game that this kind of attention to the writing and the characters has clearly been given that we are reaching the end of what was very obviously a long term plan and goal that was set forth years ago. I'm extremely happy that the single player game with no microtransactions or DLC is selling very well and that it seems to be beloved. I think this that's a very, very that amazingly good message out there that people do appreciate good stories and good characters. And a lot of thoughtful dialogue and callbacks and things of that nature. And even though I will likely never play it and I've got no real investment at all in God of War, I suppose until now. I am very, very happy that this game happened. Wow, fair enough. Metal. Yeah, I was all right, I guess. No, I mean, if you watch my streams, you're probably aware that I very much love this game 2018 and this one together specifically. I mean, yeah, narratively very good. I'm not as not as down on the mechanics. I think they're they're right. They're they're all right. And I mean, I could talk for hours and hours how much I like, but yeah, love the characters love where we went. There was planned and yeah, I just keep it short. I just like it a lot. A lot, a lot. All right. What I'm about to say, I think reflects pretty heavily on metal as well, but I'm he and I possibly Mark will find out very obsessive with the old God of War franchise been playing it since early days played them many times over very familiar, always fun to jump back in when the God of War days come back around seems like there's a almost a consistent gap with each almost a generation with with how it goes. But yeah, this one was was a bit of a well 2018 was a bit of a worry and came out and I was very happy with it. So the the fighting over whether or not it was any good back back in 2018 was a fun thing and we're doing it all over again. Is a Ragnarok very similar results widely popular has not changed a huge amount in terms of its formatting for both how it delivers story and mechanics are being used in it. Depending on where you discuss it that could be seen as an enormous detriment. It's just being called a giant DLC. Hopefully we can maybe talk about that. It's a it's being considered like, you know, how could you even call this a game? It's clearly a movie. That's an interesting point of view. You know, I I see I'm being nice. All right, I'm not being mean at all to any of these opinions. These are all very fair and we're going to have some chaos probably in chat tonight because you're going to have plenty of people who hate this game, plenty of people who love it and plenty of people who think it's fine. Just fine. The thing that I think has a runaway success on this one that is funny because I rewatched the Mathematosis video for the 2018 game and one of his conclusion points about this game or the 2018 one was that it does a lot of things just fine to OK and stuff, but it'll it'll do nothing so well that it'll never be used as an example of how to do anything because it doesn't do anything like the best or even close to great. But like I just the one aspect I think they've absolutely nailed compared to the vast majority of our entries in this regard is is narrative. I think they've done a fucking phenomenal job with the writing in Ragnarok and 2018 put together. But I mean, if I had to choose between the two, I would be like, yeah, Ragnarok, especially. And, you know, if someone said, wow, that is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Buckle in. We got like the nature of this this EFAP as some people might be surprised to hear that two people here haven't even engaged necessarily with mechanics directly is because we are talking a lot about the story. Mola, what are you saying? But I think the game's good. That's the short version. Here we go. But yes, but the thing is all six here are very familiar with the story. So that's going to be the plan. But I, you know, no reason why we can't talk about mechanics here and there if it does come up. Yeah. All right, Mark, what about you? Hi, everybody. I'm Mark the Cyber organ. I have angry dogs who were totally quiet. They were totally quiet for everyone else was talking. I was terrified. Stop talking. Fuck off. Luckily, I'm using push to talk, but I just shouted to X-ray girl for help. Anyways, I like the game quite a lot. I think the story is great and most of the the concerns that I had for the story in the middle of that Mola and I were kind of talking about as they were happening were kind of evened out by the end and most of the concerns that I had were unwarranted and I ended up really, really liking what they did with all the story and characters and I played the game on give me God of War difficulty. So it took me 76 hours. Damn. But overall I'd recommended. Well, well, all right. Free. So my God of War adventure started recently because I played 2018 properly for the first time only about a month ago ahead of Ragnarok because I wanted to play Ragnarok and talk about it. And I really like 2018 and coming into Ragnarok and having completed it. Those two paired together in terms of the story that they have to tell is really, really great. It's super thematically rich. The character writing is like across the board Stella. It's it's very impressive to me what they achieved by way of writing in terms of like the core experience itself game. Well, we're not talking about that much. So I am I really, really, really liked it. Yeah, that those are my very brief thoughts. All right. Well, like I said, the plan is to talk about this game story. And what we're going to do is use something I cut up from the game as a reference nice and short. It's just a maybe one or two cut scenes, you know, in the background that'll play and then we can pause or wait for them to finish as they as they happen and pause and then talk about what they're doing. I have so much to say about what this game managed to do and what it was up to in reference to the original trilogy in 2018 and then just itself. I've included a couple of edits to help show what they've done and how they did it. And I've got a bit to the soundtrack involved so that we can have a little listen and talk about what they're doing with that as well. So is everyone ready to begin what is going to be a real quick adventure? Just just now, maybe you're lying. Yeah, I got to be very brief. Yeah, I can't see us talking about this far. No, it was funny when when, you know, we were talking about it on metals forges like I wasn't sure how the format was going to work or what we talk about exactly. But like we in about 10 minutes, we'd already been talking for like an hour and a half. So, you know, it happens. So, yes, what you can expect person listening right now who's maybe isn't this isn't exactly what they were looking for. God of War, the God of War Ragnarok. Okay. That's a great name pending. Ragnarok is going to be today is this more than likely because there's no way we can finish this one stream tomorrow will be part two. And then the following week, we're going to check out criticisms of the game hyper criticisms. We're going to we're going to look into people who very much not a fan of it because unfortunately, the six of us here aren't exactly none of us hate the story. So, no, that's what we ended up with. Anyone even dislikes it? No, and most people here I don't even think anybody here thinks it's even okay. Maybe they do that's thick. Maybe they'll change their mind. But yeah, so that's what's that's what's happening today. You're welcome to join us and once we get to the end of it, we'll check out super chats more than likely. Not sure what we're dealing with today. We're just going to get started up. Now, this game begins as the first one did as you hit start and it just runs into the game. The menu is like a little thing of Kratos sitting down. And so, like I said, the plan is to sort of let things play. If anyone has anything they want to say, hit pause, but the typical idea is just going to be once the scene comes to a close, they'll just be pausing and talk about what's going on. The reason why I'm so weird about this because I don't think we've ever done a format like this before. It's exciting. Well, who knows what's going to happen? But here we go. These are excited. Oh, Jesus, that's loud. Well, it's loud for me. So there's like seven things to say already. I don't know where to start. I think I might go with facial expressions. Well, yeah, I was wondering if I was just saying right. Yeah, Christopher, the judge, like it's I was going straight to bear my query. Yeah, there's so many things to say. Look how his theme is so beautiful. Well, enough. What I was aiming for is technology rather than the performance yet. Yes. Yes. Some of the best special animation like in any video game. Holy crap. The amount you can draw out of it. And I'm flashbacks to us talking about arcane. It's like, oh my God, it's so good. You can draw so much. It represents a new sort of high for games because they've struggled with facial animation a lot. I think even in prominent titles with high degrees of fidelity, a lot of expressions still come across into the uncanny valley or just don't look appropriate to the scene or what they were trying to portray. But there's no, there's plenty to read out of it right off the bat. Yeah, which maybe someone will be like, well, what are you reading? It's like, well, he's, he's, he's not gotten over phase death. Like at all. He's having so much trouble, which is interesting because in 2018, he's like a stone block when she dies. He's like, she's gone. We move on. We grieve. We move on. That sort of thing. And I do it in my own way. Like, but now it looks like that whole locking out of feelings and stuff. It hasn't exactly had fantastic results nor does anyone expect it to. And yeah, he's not like that expression of it looked like he was more so breaking than we usually ever see of him. Yeah. Well, also in this one, I think he just doesn't have a good sense of what his goal should be. Like cause he knows that he knows that you have the the Ragnarok prophecies coming and the stuff that you see at the end of the previous game with the Treyas holding him and what I guess implied. I don't know how spoilery we're getting. We're going to try and go as though we're only working with what we have up to this point. For 2018 though. Can we just go? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Can I take a little on the table? Go for it. Okay. So when when you see the mural of a Treyas holding Kratos and it's it's at least implied that he's dead and you everything else that's on the mural happened during 2018. So you kind of get the impression that okay, Ragnarok is very likely going to be Kratos' last game. It's heading towards this big battle that's called Ragnarok and he's spent so much of his life fighting against gods that all he wants to do is not anymore and he doesn't really want to Treyas do either but he also doesn't want his son to die. So he kind of wants him to wants him to be ready and wants him to prepare but I think he sort of doesn't know what his end game is like what what his his ultimate goal should be because it's like well do I have to fight the gods of Asgard to keep my son safe? I'll do it if I can but I also don't particularly want to start a war with another pantheon of gods. Yeah, and he's kind of letting time while away. The entire sequence is about certainty and uncertainty, right? Like that's the theme of this section. You see it in Kratos' motions when he's holding the bag that held Phaes ashes. His his motions and gestures are really unsure and like he hesitates a lot and then you can trust that so when he picks up an arrow representing a Treyas because we've got symbolism of object representing people and yeah, he's much more certain in everything he does in his motions and his expressions. And I think that's reflected which I mean follows, right? What he has to say in this game about Faye compared to the 2018 game. Like it follows logically from in the first game. It's like, yep, we're going to take a scatter ashes from the high speak in all the realms now. It's like, well now what are we doing based on all of that information that he received over the course of that adventure and particularly the end with the mural like Mark said. Yeah, we didn't get to start a war that's going to kill me now. What do I do? What am I what am I doing and what impact is it going to have on a Treyas? Like what what am I to do here? That's like the impression you get just with all of those hesitations. He's just doubt. And I was reassured with before even playing this game. I knew Christopher Judge was incredibly invested in it. I was like, well, that's a good sign. Like he and that he considered leaving the project really early on until he was reassured that they they know what they're doing and they're going to take care with this. And I was like, OK, good, good, good. Well, that shows. Yeah, all the cattle already is just like, you know, for the people out there who hate they just want to play the game. This is not a great way to start for those people, but it is a great way to start for those taking very seriously the story like the story is is given front and center focus. It's like it's about Kratos as a character. So this whole game has an enormous amount to say about him. But lots of other people do. Yes, the music is amazing. That's another topic. That's a great throwbacks to some of the games that like they they talk directly about Demos who's Kratos' brother from Ghost of Sparta, which was a PSP spin off. That was actually like really good, but it's like, well, yeah, they're respecting that as canon. Cool. But all right. So let's look at that exchange rate. What one 10 minutes per one minute of source material. Let's think it's a great one. Basically, oh God, who's this? So this is a good example of achieving like instantly, you can already understand how the dynamic has changed. Visual storytelling, baby. It's doing things on his own. He went out hunting by himself. Got the deer here by himself while Kratos just here preparing more arrows. It's worth emphasizing. That's good. That's good when you like, you know, like five seconds of the character showing up, you already understand how the dynamics of change between the games. Yeah, because like of the way 2018 starts with them hunting for deer. Exactly. I was his super deliberate. We've we've moved very far along from 2018 teaching him how to properly hunt. Now he's doing it all on his own. The good old George Lucas quote and it's like poetry. It rhymes. It do be rhyming. It's and just like no lack of confidence in him to have done that. And I saw someone mentioning they think it's like a reference in the silhouette for Loki and his horn helmet. That's more so known. Man, I didn't think of the one at all. Can't speak to it myself because I don't even know how often he's portrayed with a horn helmet if that's true or not. But I mean, it'd be neat if that was what they were going for because yeah, it's yeah. And he looks he's quite a confident man but he's like, holy shit. He's not a little boy. What's going on? Like, yes, we have jumped forward in time. Hungry. What's next? Storm is getting worse. Also, it's so funny. I love this outfit for Kratos. He loses it in about five minutes. Yeah, so he looks back at the beginning of this game and like, what is that? Like what outfit is that? Yeah, it's real. And you don't even get it back anyway. There's no way for you to get it as far as I know. I was wondering if you upgrade like the the armor you have. The first one, if it changes back to that, but I'll be cool. Yeah. Starting armor is actually really good if you upgrade it through for the recording of this footage. That's what I've gone with is upgrading the original armor. I will say it's the best for not obstructing cutscenes. I bet yeah. Yeah, something I wish they had like, oh God, there's a few problems with that at the 2018 game. If you buy armor that has the big old shoulder, like if God things that's in the way, literally cover up Kratos' face when he's talking. It's like, oh, I had that happen on my new game plus. Like I had the big chunky armor and it's like Freya. You can't see her sometimes. So whoops. But yeah, it's another thing. You saw her. He gives him the arrows in the trails. It's not just taking them. He's checking them. Like it does. He's like, yep, those are good. And he's wearing the mistletoe still and he's wearing the mistletoe. Yeah, I'll get them ready. Seasonal. Was that sorry? It was seasonal. Yeah, festive. You really dive into why it is. Is her state is not far. Get ready. This happened pretty fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just on your way home and of a sudden fighting. Here we go. Yeah, obviously an other example of the amazing facial animation. Yeah, unfortunately, I have to cut a lot of otherwise we'll never, ever, ever be able to finish this because what's lost there is the build up. You know, you sort of rise and fall sort of thing. But yeah, she's this is great because it's like, oh, I'm told everything immediately. So she is still trying to kill us. She's overtly doing it now. Like I don't know how long she's been doing this for exactly, but there is a line obviously that she doesn't typically give up very quickly. We know from the previous game that she was looking for who I think she was searching for who wings the break the curse on being able to hurt living things to get access to basically all of her warrior stuff that she was the Queen of the Valkyries and Odin took all of that from here. And obviously you killed Balder. She's fucking pissed. She's punished Freya now. She's got the even her makeup looks like it's it's running because of tears sort of thing. Like it's very dark and yeah, they even do like a set up of it being like a bit haunting like who just standing in the distance staring at them. It's like, oh, shit. Well, I mean, it just kind of makes you like you guys in the movie it follows. Yes. Like where you know, just like randomly see the thing kind of coming towards you slowly. That first shot of Freya kind of reminded me that it's like, oh, oh, that's real bad. It's just the person standing over there right now, but this is going to get much worse. And what I love is the it makes the visual storytelling of Atreus's age have much more of an impact when she's coming at them this hard because you're like the for this amount of time, Freya has been wanting to kill them this much because that this is kind of how she is at the end of the last game. So it's like, oh, she hasn't calmed down even a little like anything. Yeah, yeah, the hatred in her facial expressions. Holy shit. Which is unfortunate because if you play 2018 and you enjoyed the story, you probably like her and you kind of feel the same way as Kratos like, oh man. Yeah. Mm hmm. You wouldn't give up that easy. What she never does. Stay alive. Freya, we're not your enemy. Freya, what? Seriously. I could do without those. You could. You were sorry. I could do without the tap circle to continue this cut scene stuff. That was probably one of the things I disliked about playing the game most and is one of the things that's bothering me most about Callista protocol. I just might be I don't even disagree necessarily. I just don't know what can be done at that point. Like it seemed I think honestly, just if you want to show me cool shit. Yeah, just show me the cool shit. No, I know. I'm not they obviously throw it in because they there are people out there who are like if I can't be pressing circle of the cut scenes that I'm really just watching a movie and it's like that's okay, though. Yeah, like I mean that like my whole thing is like no, no, no, like when I say Sony movie game I'm not even I don't even mean it as an insult. It's just a description of this type of game and some do it better than others and I think when they're better when it's like if you're going to be tapping a button during a cut scene. It's something like clicking the right stick. Yeah. Oh, I think we lost a thing. Mark. Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry. I don't know what it is. I was saying like no, it's it's because I will tell you it's because I sometimes talk with my hands and I was saying that the good kind of quick time events would be like in God of War three when you fight Poseidon and in the end you click the left and right sticks poke at his eyes go back go go back go back. What is talking with your hands have to do with any this because I took my I took my hand off my push to stop. And that was me me being a boomer and Italian I suppose. Sorry. Sorry to hear that. Anyway, Karen. Yeah. I just I think that in the odd event that when like clicking the sticks being the poking out the eyes of Poseidon when it really kind of adds something to the scene. It's mostly just tap triangle to not die or otherwise we'll cut this cut scene back 30 seconds and make you do it again. Obviously the there's a jamming here. They usually put circle tapping in whenever there's something of a two beings trying to impose their will on each other. What like one because what's happening here obviously she's dug the sword into him. He's trying to push it back. The tap circle to feel like you're giving some level of expression of muscle. Feels like a I do understand why but it's just like a well. I don't even think it's a misunderstanding. I think they know what they're doing. They're just I don't even think they're comfortable with throwing it in that much. They're probably like we got to do it because otherwise people feel like they're not interacting with the game at all. But yeah, I could take it or leave it. I really don't care. Like it's most of the time the requirement is very little. And the only time I really hate it is when it happens when I never expected it. See, I'm actually enjoying the cut scene. It's chill and then like a dragon burst in the room and starts trying to eat you and it's like tap circle and you're like, Oh, fuck. I wasn't even holding the control of fuck. But something like this I can most you but but anyway. What's what's trying to engage you in ways that don't benefit the scenes. But yeah, sorry. No, yes, it's totally fair. So the the scream she has at him once she's put the sword really gives me the impression of almost like egging herself on to get this done. Like, yeah. It feels like it's been a while and she's so fucking desperate. I just want to get my revenge and also we got the line. Oh, it's not going to be that easy and it's just never it never is. You already know it's like Oh, yeah, this has been happening for a while. So if you weren't doubt have 67 times. Yeah, I saw some behind the scene stuff. The actress for Freya is she puts like a nightmare level of work. You know, so I mentioned it a friend of it. Apparently the the scene where she let's say for like a spoilers, I guess, I don't know. It's kind of weird. The the the roots scene. The the volume stage she was on the entire carpet was like wet. Is she how many times she really done the the take and been crying basically. Yeah, damn. It's like, okay. That's probably a good thing. I almost want to break it up now because it won't be another fucking like 20 hours before I can't narratively speaking, but let's just say a big moment for Kratos a moment that I believe is currently me metal and free his favorite part of the game. I'm not going to be able to save for everyone else yet. Really, Christopher Judge said I've got a maxim of two takes in me for this like when we do this so like, you know, make sure everything's working because I'm going to give it everything I've got. That's fair. I've always thought about acting like imagine giving what you consider to be the most like authentic and real a performance and they go right can't do it again. It's just like how do you get back into that headspace? Yeah. We talked about it and Christopher Judge talked about it and for 2018 with the blades of chaos scene about the feeling of like that there's a place that he has to get into to be able to deliver that and it's kind of a scary place personally. Him to get himself in there but he, you know, wants to do it for the sake of the performance. It's just yeah, he's a he really clearly cares. Yeah, and I can believe a lot of the people as part of this project really do. Yeah. Absolutely. Please don't make me do this. Oh, yeah. She fucking hates him so much. Yep. So funnily enough, a lot of people I've seen are confused that this happened and I've seen people defend it as yeah, unfortunately an avalanche happened. Like what? No, no, Freya we see it throughout all of 2018. She has like full control of a nature to some degree. She's like, yeah, nature lady. She's screamed. She's using her power to fuck with all of the environment. She controls like a full blown mountain giant at the end of the yeah, rootsies. So weird. I saw people being like you say is serious just a bad luck avalanche. So I was like, no, it's just that it's, you know, it's a lot of it's fimble winter. I was like, what are you both doing? You're arguing. You want the wrong thing? We're through the state. Dude, that expression on Kratos. Holy shit. Can't help it imagine this because that avalanche if things are gone wrong, that would have killed the traitors. Yeah, but also just he's probably not happy about him being being killed to that's probably probably a imagine this is a day to day inconvenience as well. Well, yeah, for those who don't understand, I'm having to go through this. They essentially have a magic force field around their home made of magic giant magic from staves that are applied to each tree. They make like a big old sphere. We made it. Let us go home. Becky, funner up. Now, I'm not going to do it all the time, but I thought this scene deserved it. I'm going to replay it now, but with everything removed, except the music is man, what a great start for the game with the music. It's like haunting. Yeah, man. I mean, you can tell while you play it's like that's some good shit. No, it's just just listening to it by itself without anything else. It's when the bright part isn't it's often synced with what's happening. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it was getting to like the action. Don't really realize that while you're in the action yourself. I think so cool. It really makes you think rings of power had I don't know. How yeah, the guy who made this OST made rings of power so nuts. The only conclusion everyone's come to is he to give a fuck about rings of power. Yeah, that's what I think after listening to the soundtrack to this and how legitimately impressive it is and as you play the game you notice in a reincorporations of themes and stuff of that nature and you realize how much work and effort and thought went into it. And then you think back on rings of power and how utterly mediocre and yeah and unforgettable every bit of music and that seemed to be rings of power was a paycheck. If you hear him talking about this game he cares immensely about it and I can't help but assume that poured into the soundtrack. Yeah, you can hear it. When that choir drops Yeah, great watching a it's like it's like watching a Fantasia movie kind of that's some good shit. Yeah, yeah, we're watching one other sound. It's almost sad that like you know even I didn't appreciate that song when I was playing the game to the level of yeah listening to it individually but that's the thing the music is just another component it's accentuating the story in that moment. It's cool listen to it nicelation what's actually kind of a good example is when when Frankie was talking about the blades of chaos scene I was going to bring up my my criticism of it which is I I thought that I always thought that it would have been better if they brought just a like even if it was one bar of his theme from the Greek mythology games that the kind of do do do do do do do but it's one of those things like they they might not be giving you the thing that you want but if what they're giving you is this good it's kind of like hard to complain about it I think they've always been I've got to complain about the music but it's like ah but it's okay I think they've always been trying to strike a balance between how much they'd want to reference and how much they want to imply even through music or other elements of storytelling that they are their own thing they're not the other the older thing he's developed since then in and it's represented through all the different aspects which you know a lot of people would have preferred that the classic songs are playing when he first gets the blades of chaos and I just I think it was a much better choice to have his current theme play because the blades aren't what they were then they are something else now they're recontextualized in the role that he's playing in this story and where he's at now and the way that he's going to participate in this world and then there's also like Kratos' theme is incredibly versatile like the one in this game it's super duper versatile probably because you know it is three notes but then it's it's a um and Freya's theme as well actually which is what we basically just listen to is another one of them that's super versatile we're going to hopefully be able to talk about throughout these heaps like musically that are throughout the soundtrack because it is really impressive to me how often Ben McCready finds ways to reincorporate character themes into different moments of the uh of the um of the soundtrack it like it's it's super impressive yeah I'm not going to have all of it in here so feel free to reference it if you wanna sorry shot I did not wish you to I keep hoping she'll let it go you saved her life I killed her son there is no letting that go and ironically saw someone several people sorry in chat saying like why is she trying to kill us wasn't she our friend in the first game like oh finish the game it's it's funny to me because like sometimes I'll be like you know why is she you know so blah blah it's like well we did kill his son and I'm sitting there like yeah I know I was there uh but like the kind of thing where it's like well it has been four years and then there are people who are legit like wait Freya she's like a good guy she helps you what the fuck me yeah I like the way they pay these by the way Daniela Bissuti and Alistair Duncan that's Mamiya and Freya I got it yeah and they pay like uh a Richard shift and Ryan Hearst just like yep that would be sense for an I'll be and also it's neat so put the crediting for the voice actors here it is yeah I mean they do performance capture too so they do yeah it's kind of even that's why it's important to do it right because they are like involved heavily in the project and of course play a significant role in what makes it valuable absolutely also yeah people keep saying bare McCready it's bare McCreary as far as I know alright did I say very damn it I mean said it wrong for years I'm not saying the creary the creary yeah sorry well just just for anybody who thought otherwise yeah yeah yeah we know so we were going through I was like damn Chad Cox yeah that's a that's a potent name no wonder the game's good I was bringing the names there was I was watching a a an MST 3K video and then and they were commenting on one of the names at the beginning there was a it was like an executive producer and the name was Harry Sack it what was the one from one to woman 84 to remember oh yeah what was his name help us out what have you's got to remember there was a real funny name oh shit oh what was it it was something someone's going to remember it more and I can't remember was it was it Richard suckle was that it Richard suck dick suckle that's it yeah that was it dick suckle dick suckle dick suckle his parents were like they did not want a child they want a daughter dick suckle such a bad day but hey hey at least you got to work on one to woman 84 yeah good job that's true that's true that's off enough good me enough the the virgin dick suckle versus the Chad Chad Cox yeah yeah since they they probably did meet at some point and it was like thorn Kratos you know boom they definitely met I will get the deep Kratos now oop we do in the mail pause metal you know what I didn't pause I didn't so who did well I'll play long girls smiled for our dad moment yeah cool I don't hear a trace is downright self-sufficient which is me yeah super good for a world like this you can tell he's been he's been training in those in that fimble winter you can tell that he's been training huh okay interesting oh what's right then we're huh you okay boy pretty satisfying to see really yeah it's okay boy you're okay I know I missed you too what's your food still hungry come on boy you need to eat why too big every time this I'm draws neither you must prepare yourself for what he's still eating he wants to live fast and strong but you can rest now okay I'll be okay you can let go now you have to let go I just realize you have to let go that comes up yeah later rum it does yeah one of them like oh shit we are like 10 minutes in and you're already dropping this on us huh yeah which is not the simplest thing to do it still takes a lot of respect but basically works for for most people that I've seen most common criticism I find is like why am I supposed to care about this I don't even know this wolf which is weird um dogs should be pretty it's not even just nice that if if you have a friend who's like you know always told you about a dog they have but never never like why they love them or anything beyond the fact they have a dog and then you go and see them one day and it's when the dog is dying and they deal with that you don't you need to know you don't shout at them like I don't care about this I don't even know that dog like yeah let's go play video games to fight first I understand this dog who cares about him this is a super basic like a storytelling thing one of the ways we we feel for the the death of characters because we care about the character all that we care about their relationship to someone else we care about the person this is going to hurt also care about a trius at this point or I mean you know obviously if you're engaging with it in a way that's you're enjoying it and stuff you would by now you know that they have wolves to help them with be it travel or hunting or whatever um yeah one of them seeming of dying from whatever it is but uh it's pretty straightforward it's just a beloved pet essentially yeah and yeah the performances again and the sound effects and stuff just it's enough to really drag you into if this has ever happened to you uh and the premise that what a trace is holding on to is that it it wanting to eat like to say he's still eating he wants to live it's like yeah Docs it's it's going to eat when you put food in front of it if it's starving man well of course it doesn't that doesn't mean it's not time to go but it's just like from this thing it's trying back out came up yeah oh it did yeah yeah it didn't eat and he's like see he's like he's eating he's deluding himself as to what the truth is just a scene wanna lose his dog yeah it's the scene of showing us the because we've been getting a lot of Atreus has grown up a whole lot the it's still trying to reinforce that Kratos is trying to prepare him for the realities of the world still and that's his role in this scene because he's also only like what 15 yeah 16 he's grown up a lot but he's still a kid yeah yeah yeah this is gonna play in big time into Atreus is sort of not being able to deal with the concept of anything in his life that he cares about coming to an end primary motivation throughout this whole game is going to be something to do with that idea Sofna Apra They soon Sofna Hethon Sofna It's the middle of the night Night does not stop our enemies What for? Drinking is all we ever do Ever It's not enough We can't hide forever We do not hide So Um I saw someone ask it so I may as well bring it in as an example He said What's the difference between this and the Zebra scene in The Last of Us 2 exactly So Oh Zebra scene in The Last of Us 2 is designed to as quickly as possible get you to agree with the developers that the doctor is a good guy That's all it's supposed to do It's supposed to make you go Isn't it sad that Joel killed such a good guy What a great guy that guy is Isn't it sad that he he killed him That's fucked up He shouldn't have done that Really cheap way of doing it This doesn't have any obvious purpose at first It's just you know your average day and then unfortunately it's the last day for Fenrir But what does this do as a function it's going to have huge plot implications very soon shows us what Atreus does when he's trying to deal with death but similarly what Kratos does now going to be an emotionally charged scene it's going to make some stuff come out that normally wouldn't necessarily that's culminating over several years of them obviously it's being set up now he's like why are we hiding um but like the I'd say that part of the biggest thing as well is just like this level and approach that can reassure the players like yeah we're going to be dealing with some heavy stuff in this game and this is just a sort of because some people like why would you put something like this right at the beginning it's like well I mean I don't even know if this reaches a top ten for like heaviest moments in this game throughout yeah um it's kind of just the beginning of a side part yeah so I don't know I just say it has many purposes that relate to both character and plot meanwhile the zebra one it's one clear purpose right away this guy's awesome isn't he wouldn't be sad if someone killed him oh look your hero Joel did like yeah okay like what a bad guy not a beloved character I'm sorry I'm so sad that this game doesn't start with Kratos getting his head bashed in people were worried about that very much so honestly I was a little bit too I thought that they could still narratively make it work if just the the mural scene from the end of the previous game happens in the beginning I was kind of like oh don't do it needless to say I was pretty happy with what they did hmm prepare for a fight for which we are not ready we'll go time is running out the prophecy say fimblewinter leads to ragnarok war is coming whatever loke is supposed to be doing he's supposed to be doing it now my story doesn't end hiding in these woods I should be out there finding out who I am who loke is I will not allow you to pick a fight with gods I don't want to fight anyone I just want answers and if those answers lead to war with asgard maybe that's what mother one do not walk mother watchin looks like we never will dynamic feels very different he's pushing back hard on Kratos now and yeah well so there's definitely that reflecting in their dynamic like how clearly it's changed but like man this this scene is very clearly laying down the groundwork for one of the many themes that run through the story like one of the broad themes where even though it's filtered through the lens of you know the conflict ragnarok and everything like a broadly universal like theme that's just being set up and will be reinforced consistently throughout the story did you want to signpost more do that later nah we can we can get to it later the idea is while the post 2018 he finds out his name was originally going to be loki that there's all these prophecies and stuff but we've spent very little time exploring it or understanding it we've been hiding we've been training because we're worried about what's going to happen next but it's a you know the trace is it clearly completely unsatisfied and the idea that he's like evoking the mother and her intentions and Kratos does say we don't know what she wanted in such a more so aggressive way it's like whoa what's going on there yeah that's something I was wondering about when I was playing for 2018 against like I don't think Kratos is very thrilled that there was all these secrets he didn't know about which were apparently very important for what's been going on and now we get this scene where it's like we don't know what mother wanted it's like oh shit he is angry about that in 2018 he wouldn't dare allow FaZe's name to be besmirched in any way whatsoever but right now he's just like I don't know she didn't tell me what I thought it was not that he hates or anything like far from it yeah it's just he he doesn't know yeah pretty much frustrated is the right word well also because he's been involved in a prophecy before like they the whole deal with the original god of war series was that there was a prophecy that a marked warrior would be the one to to take down Olympus or to like destroy Olympus and that turned out to be what ended up happening even though the gods thought the marked warrior was supposed to be his brother so he I don't think Kratos is the type of person who really wants to be going headlong into prophecy to be like he mentions a few times I think in this game that he doesn't want to let prophecy dictate his choices and you think he might have a reason or two to be reticent about picking fights with gods that was throughout the first game too is his role as the marked warrior who takes down the gods of Olympus necessitated what happened to his first family because like his first family was killed by himself through the actions of a god yeah everything to do with gods always ends up badly especially if he's had this long being chill in the woods with waifu like he's just like god this is the way to go not the whole hangout with karen page in the woods because boulder shows up at his house wanting to get into a fight an asia god yep he gets dragged back into it unwillingly he does not want to be getting into fights I fucking love their meeting it's so good boulder he was great I thought you would be bigger it's like oh what he hits him he's like finally yeah just like no no punch him I won't match that later it's up to do with crydorses harm I have a moment along with enry before I bury him losing a dog is rough yeah there's one of many examples of crydorses theme being creatively reincorporated yep is that like an accordion I'm not sure well I think Ben McCrary said that his favorite instrument is the accordion because it's kind of weird I think it is I think it's like the really high register of an accordion you might be right actually it almost sounds like it's something different though that's the crazy thing about a lot of these themes is the when they're a different instrument and a different speed and then you think about it for a while you're like oh shit that's that theme yeah yeah I guess I could buy harmonica interesting to hear harmonica in this setting too cool yes it's funny because I already do use it in the game I was just like so reassuring I fucking love you it's a head too it's just a head it's a good head though well I don't recognize that dull expression anywhere can you have to tell me what went wrong oh no not Fenrir how's the lad taking it post-barrier goodnight then yeah even that just that Mamiya has just been with them this whole time left because obviously the goal of the first game was complete so he decided he'd stay with them not to say that he has full agency it's a head but at the same time that's a decision he made it's not easy to find friends when you're just a disembodied didn't raise a hand in protest yeah are you ready well you didn't get to see it but the scene transition was yeah like really seamless yeah as long as you guys remember what I've cut you can mention it there's a bunch of those in the game those transitions are really good I've got some of them in here for sure those were a challenge technically yeah because it's supposed to maintain the in-game sort of engine right it's still running you just gotta the cutscenes blend seamlessly into gameplay you know in and out and that's tough technically until you go into a menu oh right well I mean until you turn off the console as well it's impossible to maintain you walk as though Amir himself sits atop your shoulders this is your hunt I will follow very welcome I saw someone being like so fucking lame she leads hunts yeah it's not like she's a random woman she's a warrior I think we learned that in 2018 right so I wouldn't she know how to hunt I can't remember how much we learned in 2018 but obviously by the time you hit the end of this game you learn a lot about yeah we don't know we do know that she is capable of fighting what not did they not tell us in 2018 that the axe was made for her yeah yeah oh yeah yeah that's what I was saying Leviathan is the axe and it was made by Sindri and Brock for Fe hence everyone's reactions whenever they see it being like you killed it didn't you yeah he's like whoa I loved her she was kind of the most important thing in the world to me I'm actually really beating up about it once this sequence started I was like I thought we were never gonna see Fe and it was kind of I was like hmm not really it was more like I wonder what you're gonna do here by having her you know by having us see her and having scenes between her and Kratos what are you what are you gonna work towards bring it was the SJW agenda yes I knew it she's ginger she's a man of women ginger ginger I was worried about even having her show up at all but I think even on my stream I was like thank goodness we're gonna be able to actually like discover the nature of their relationship they got three scenes in this game and they are all glorious they are yeah by the end it's like man you for how little time like she is in the story like they achieved a tremendous amount with these scenes and they are chronological I can't imagine what the story looks like without these scenes that's so important yeah this would be before Treyas is even conceived and they're living together and then the next one and the next one further on further on but this will tell you something about Kratos coming from God of War 3 up to 2018 unrelated I recommend the show True Blood well this is Deborah Ann well yeah plays Karen Page and Daredevil when people realized that they went from being like oh she's fine too oh she's oh oh I like her yeah you do now it is the problem doesn't have to reach our doorstep for it to be our responsibility if we have the power to limit the harm it could cause we should act we will remember that we have handed the seeds of another important scene look everybody it's Spider-Man Spider-Man I kid because that's just a really good message in general Spider-Man is probably one of the most well known for doing it yeah so post God of War 3 Kratos went as far as just annihilating an entire pantheon felt pretty bad about it by the end if you guys remember would have sailed off ended up in Norse land and judging from what we saw of the early parts of the 2018 game his logic as far as he's concerned is if you stick to yourself save yourself help yourself that's the best way to live fuck fuck everything else outside of you how much he cared about Faye and Atreus and over the course of that game especially by the time you hit the end it's clear he's going further than that he's more invested in helping beyond that and this is a great little moment to show that she was very invested in the idea that we should be doing more to make the world a better place than just looking after ourselves and Kratos on the other hand is like we should deal with the problems that affect us and when they affect us the sort of the smart and strong way to do it which two perspectives clash in a little bit yeah who are we to hide and do nothing we are not hiding he's running out of my love and there is much to do mother mother you don't suppose he was training in the middle of the night alright he suggested as much did you? what on earth for he was just to be clear Atreus has not come back yeah that's one part I probably should have included Atreus has not returned from whatever he was doing so they're going to go out and they're going to try and find out where he is I'll argue this is one of the first examples of this is optional dialogue that if you miss out on it miss out it's the training area behind the house if you walk into it obviously the implication is you're looking there for Atreus you can do that alright he suggested as much did you? what on earth for he was grieving Atreus I know you're trying that's such a blatant like acknowledgement that he doesn't know how to deal with grief properly yeah and he's just like well you get your mind off it right and that's what he did in 2018 he was just like we just do what we do and he's gone the amount of times I'm pretty sure he says in that game to basically just like move the fuck on but he hasn't moved on in this game it's not working I feel like that approach might be influenced by his history in the greek games because like where you know lingering on things got him there boy you're a very negative kind of lingering but tellin the boys half spartan go to the backyard and hit some shit yeah the night the bad old days in Greece no it feels like fairies trying to tell me something you don't mean to say you're talking to ghosts again brother no but it is something more than memory so interesting two big pieces of information Mamia knows about all of the greek history at this point yeah they've been chatting atreus has been opening up about all those things probably to both Atreus and Mimir in their time together yeah to so casually be like you have nightmares about Greece it's just like whoa you wouldn't have said that in the 2018 game damn and then also to refer to you speaking to ghosts again I think he's talking about Athena and that confirms that she was not actually Athena in 2018 she was in his head I know some people were disappointed by that not even close absolutely fine with him dealing with what he's dealing in that scene it's not that literally Athena showing up because a lot of people were sad I don't mind confirming at this point Athena does not show up in this game she's not in it a lot of people thought she would be and a lot of people thought that that she's not done that she's gonna be an agent of some kind in this universe that would have gigantic implications because basically it means okay so the Greek pantheon still kind of exists they're just mostly dead there would be a lot to deal with there the thing is ultimately you still could say that that was actually her and as far as Kratos knows it was in his head but I mean I don't see how it benefits anything unless you're gonna actually tell that story that she's alive and she's pissed I always kind of read it as he's going to get the blades of chaos is what they call it in the game even though the last ones that exist were the blades of exile that's the only thing that bothered me about 2018's adherence to the lore because the blades of chaos are the ones that get destroyed at the end of the first game and yeah I will acknowledge God of War 3 is set in stone that Athena exists and is alive that's fine I agree we don't know what she's up to and it would be really neat as a potential that she's rebuilt Olympus slash the Greek Empire into something new a lot of ideas flowed that she could have jump-started the Roman one right that could be something you could make lots of connections and that going back there could mean a hell of a lot who knows what they'll do in future they could have Jupiter be one of the other sons of Zeus oh he said Zeus he didn't like him yeah Jojo's very racist against the Greek Pantheon does he just hate planets that's also possible for Jupiter a bear, Mald a larger bear wounded the fight destroyed the tree we must find Atreus any idea what could have made the lord wonder off we argued he accuses me of hiding from Odin only sensible to keep a little profile after killing three of his kin do you love how Kratos brings it up as like an insult that's absurd you'd be hiding I'd probably hide yeah one of the things that you'll notice throughout this playthrough is that Mamir definitely wants people to get along he tries to get everyone to sort of chill he tries to calm down it's all good he's a very sensible sort of very charismatically pragmatic guy to keep everyone together he wants everyone to which is important I mean not just considering that he's ahead he needs other people to sort of take care of him but also because if you're invested in every party involved you don't want them at each other's throats you want them to be okay with each other that was his job before he lost his head I think, diplomat right? lost his body right lost his body it's weird technically you're it's weird because normally you say that people they lost their head but in this case because his body isn't walking around talking to people that'd be funny if out there there was just a random head just like bumping into things with its arms outstretched like looking that his wife must learn to survive on his own this is about that prophecy just because the giants had you dead on some wall full of otherwise accurate predictions I do not believe in prophecies well good with that I just want to highlight it's not just the dialogue it's how it's presented the performances the gaps you take, the annunciations so good do you believe in prophecy? I'm skeptical by nature though we have seen things that defy explanation so speaking as the smartest man alive I have no bloody idea and that is one of many times when an individual will just be asked straight up what do you think about fate and prophecy and they'll give you an answer that everyone's is different pretty much this might sound like a weird thing to bring up but Kratos just asked another character what they think about something that's kind of a step I think they kind of started up in 2018 and I love it when you get to in Jotunheim and he starts asking Atreus what the images mean in the earlier parts of the game he's like don't ask questions that aren't useful to some pragmatic thing like getting us resources or whatever and so he keeps telling Atreus not to and then eventually he starts to open up his little curious mind he sincerely just wants to know Mimei's thoughts yeah that too you must have a camp nearby I know what you're thinking brother that Atreus can handle himself you've taught him well so he keeps telling me you fight a bear I don't know if I should have you get attacked by a big old bear yes and then the second you know I should have included when he yelled at the bear that was great actually my bad I barely recognize you I think it was as of 2018 that they made it like super canon that he has like wolverine healing but you have to focus because it was probably a good idea because yeah he gets stabbed a lot I think someone I did spot I meant to mention did he just get stabbed in like that opening does he not bleeding to death it's like no no the way that you kill any of these types of entities in this world is that it's like a lot of damage at once to end them sort of thing but you know I'm not going to defend the games for this it's very weird and inconsistent a lot of the time it's like oh they can survive that but not that and then it's like they can't survive that but they can come back from the dead but that one can't I don't know okay it gets confusing Kratos crawling out of the underworld twice possibly three times you just like well how come he could do that and like Zeus Khan you're like I don't know he's not angry enough you gotta be angry you gotta be angry I prayed Fenrir and then I'm not sure I was so sad and then I was angry and scared running there was a bear charging and I charged back all right let me run this by let's see if this works you should have said I was so angry I put the cursing and cursing can't understand I know the connection no the cutscene let's load this important it had to be Trace is saying it had to be a dream oh yeah I was unbearably mad no I already did a bear one so let me pause you there for a second and remind you that that one is already been used sorry I didn't know I could do that he doesn't like having blood on his hands huh no he's used to being dirty and grizzled grizzly and this line for reassurance reassurance from Kratos you did not do anything they overcame you was your emotions they overcame you I don't even think he believes that like in terms of he's nothing to do with what actions you've taken that would true a lot of the stuff he feels super guiltful probably wouldn't necessarily apply someone told him that about his but it's just him recognizing that's probably what the Treyas needs to hear right now yeah he wants to tell a Treyas about his grizzly past beautiful that's the second grizzly one we just said oh okay now we're even we will be dangerous sorry I'm just distracted by how fucking good the fear on the shoulder of a Treyas looks in the wind alright look at that shit it does look really good yeah yeah matches this hair too shorter when it moves technology's gone insane like oh yes they have lots of money praise them for that well it's not just money it's also the willingness to use that money for a lot of the technology and stuff Cameron has a lot of money but it's how you use it and the things that you develop and the stuff that you make technologically that that could be worthy of praise cause you could tell a lot of work is going into this as people can point out Riggs of power had money that looks like shit that's true Riggs of power had a lot of money and it looks like shit and so I would just go as far as saying maybe the fair one you're more on point in terms of what is this adding to a story analysis but when you talk about the technology and money that's gone into the facial recognition like representation that exceedingly helps the storytelling to know what characters feel super important yeah half the scenes hinge on it yeah dangerous without discipline to control them you've already taught me discipline I need more than that I need answers answers you don't have answers only your mother had that's how she withheld yeah bitch oh boy gives you a lot there that's almost bitter as fuck yeah feels like he thinks she made the wrong decision in terms of how much she let them know let them know more what if there was someone who could help us someone that could give us answers about the giants and who Loki's supposed to be wouldn't it help to understand what I'm becoming the traitors listen to me unnecessary risk inaction is also a risk you taught me that stop thinking like a father for a moment and start thinking like a general no those two nos were actually different answers meaning that the loud and angry one is like a passionate how fucking dare you say that I should stop thinking like a father and then the second one is a very considered like no I wouldn't do that that's really bad that's not going to help I didn't mean to oh this one only consequences what what can we do nothing nature will take its course yeah that would suck they have to deal with what's happened I mean like there's some parallels though between the bears and atreus though with the nature will take its course thing it's like yeah we might be abandoning them to the wolves to let them die not literally the wolves but you know the elements to let them die but they might also find a way to you know survive to hang in there the point is they can't adopt the bears okay sorry but uh yeah obviously because I'm trying to trim as much as possible it's just that dream from the 2018 game is part of Loki's ability to have giant visions or whatever and so this is this game's equivalent but we're finally getting that actual scene that shit was so cool in 2018 it's just like you ought to be the hammer of course because so fucking famous I come in I have me big ol' subversion I have made there's a shit ton of subversion in this game and I want to remind everybody Ryan Johnson is the one that made subversion a dirty word it is not a dirty word it's not a dirty word you just have to think it's a word that's been dirtied you peed all over it I did not pee on that word I will not take responsibility basically the thing I always go to is Predator is one of the best films ever made and it's incredibly subversive the whole point of that movie is to rely on what you think would happen and to completely undo that um subversion is a really cool storytelling element it's just a way to keep you on your toes the way to do it of course is to have it so that it slots in and makes sense it doesn't just happen for no reason at all or I say no reason it happens for the sake of subverting you which is what Ryan loves to do they say and I wish um Mola would review Knives Out because that's where like Ryan's storytelling shines and I was like ok oh you oh you what's actually funny is I saw when you guys did an e-fap on Knives Out and I was like oh I really want to watch that but I should watch the movie first and then in subsequent e-faps I heard you guys shitting on it so much that I was kind of like I kind of don't want to watch this movie but I've never heard your e-fap about it I really know nothing about the film other than it's a mystery by Ryan Johnson that has um the hot chick from Blade Runner it's a film that thinks it's really clever yeah well not find me good company it's really funny that Kratos says that yeah I mean Kratos is fucking like he's so ready to fight and he's just like I don't want to hang out though and he's like well we wouldn't have many things to get along about just saying yeah I'm yeah he's like our place is a mess clean it up as much as you can in 10 seconds please you guys watch Suns of Anarchy no but I know he's in it yeah he's really good yeah Thor's in like the first three seasons I want to say maybe two but um yeah great actor great character too well we're gonna have lots to talk about with this scene the comparisons he's in oh yeah the way I always describe him as an actor is his eyes have gravitas nice place nice place thanks Thanos yeah so one of his things to highlight is so many people including myself I'm not sure if you did Mel but I think bringing you made the comparison as well so many people have made the comparison like it sounds like Thanos it sounds like Josh Brolin I asked who if that was Josh Brolin because he sounded exactly like Thanos in that line there's a couple of lines in this scene that sound indistinguishable from how Thanos would sound if he said it but uh yeah well I mean you know and it's not a complaint or anything that dare I say type of voice so much power behind it like Josh Brolin was a great choice for Thanos his voice was fantastic and so was Thor's a Basie voice that was a heavy hammer well my axe is heavy too see good told me before I poured why would he say that that's weird yeah I mean may as well talk a little bit about it that's um why wouldn't he have just poured for himself and Kratos right what's wrong with that like he didn't even pour a third one so what's being wasted um the line implies that now we've poured too much which doesn't like logistically speaking it was like that was really make sense but it's something that you don't really think about and it'll make sense later mm-hmm and I mean wait the design is fantastic like Thor looks awesome look you gotta wait till the end of the scene for both him and Odin we'll talk about it because like god we have to go through a lot I really wasn't sold on it when they showed the first picture and when you see an action that's pretty good well yeah I mean I think myself uh and I want to say metal I think we were all just like sure fine fits with the 2018 one see what they do with them sure but a lot of people were like ew that's not for you my issue with it was just in its um I guess consistency with the art direction in the series just because you have Zeus is like absolutely shredded so this seems like a world in which age and whatever your lifestyle is doesn't affect your body type if you're a god like this is this is a world in which gods are always absolutely shredded um maybe for the Greek guys obviously the Norse guys we see very different clearly yes because I mean Baldur has the kind of uh Jesse Pinkman body yeah Baldur part of what's visible about Baldur is that he's like this weedy guy and uh yeah he's uh he's fucking with Kratos and then you find out he's actually a hell of a lot more powerful than you thought um well and and that's the thing even with Baldur I think it would I would probably have the same reaction like if you just showed me the picture of them that hey this is the main antagonist of this god of war game who's gonna be fighting Kratos I'd be like I don't know like that kind of looks like I don't know like like James Franco's character from spring breakers or something but like Norse but like and then you see it in action it's like oh yeah you know it works and it I think it's the exact same thing with Thor that you see a marketing still and it's like well I don't know like it's kind of a big gut on him like he doesn't even look like the mountain or anything where it's like a strong man like that looks like actual fat but then you see you see the how they do the character in the game and because they think they nail it so well it's just like okay I'm not mad it's not even just that I think what wins everyone over is the fight scene coming up uh yeah that too. You start him being some the idea that he's like fat Thor from Endgame there's just nothing there like there's nothing like that is what I think. Yeah it really is not. You seem like a calm and reasonable person yeah are you? This whole exchange is great. Calm and reasonable person. That fucking look dude and uh you combo it up with with how tense this is being that I killed your sons and your brother um so are we good? Are we cool? It's the actor man I'm telling you his eyes just have weight. Yeah I'd agree with that. Don't worry talking about Thor's controversial design will be completely overwritten by a different conversation you know who I am back before winter set in there were some misunderstandings regrettable ones but I think we all have a better idea of who we're dealing with now what you did to his boys self defense dying is what we easier live for and let's be honest they were kind of useless ah but Balder do that Odin's way of being like drink yeah oh god there's so many details once you've completed the game here's a line coming up that's great in reference to that like Odin to Thor so yeah there's plenty of complaints already in chat just like yeah terrible terrible design it's like so what's everyone think the first time the first time I watched it well should we just wait until the end of the cut scene to discuss it all or should we do it now well so I was kind of gunning for how looking at him on the surface and then going into detail so like because we could know so little about him this is when everyone was reacting to him right I think me and metal by the time we hit the end of these scenes we already had people being like tell us what you think tell us I was like I don't even know how much I do but you know but like without any context would you would you guys consider his design a mistake I honestly loved it right away I was like oh this is cool he's like a mafia boss type guy I don't see a reason to consider it a mistake just from in terms of the design I see lots of references to well actually wait you were saying something so at the beginning I didn't care for the design I was pretty neutral on the design I didn't care for the his manner of speaking his just the voice didn't quite click with me whereas now I really really like the character and I think it gets nailed and I'm glad they did what they did and his first appearance very kind of shaky with me I could go either way but I really wasn't really wasn't much of a fan Thor was I was super pleased with Thor by the end of all of this this first segment I guess his manner of speech being considered under design because that feels like a different conversation to me almost yes and though I understand the complaints of like too modern or whatever it should be like I mean so everybody speaks too modern yeah this is a world especially in the this era of the games like the Norse the Norse saga you could call it it's just hey the accents don't matter like it's not hey Mimir actually sounds Scottish in the lore I heard people about that in 2018 they're like they're talking they're acting like Mimir is a Kelt God and I'm like no he's not it's not actually Scottish that's just the way that actor talks and makes a wise man Scottish I think the whole thing is they're consistent in being like yeah the actors aren't doing accents they're just they're speaking the way they speak well yeah but I mean do people say that about the old games too or that's a great question let's say that about Kratos that he has an American accent even though he's Greek I mean I guess yeah that's fair that's always been the secret I always have American accents that's always been like kind of the secret code with like English accents in things that are supposed to be Greek and or Roman where it's like if people sound English no one cares but if they sound anything else it's like oh that doesn't really sound right but I think that at the very least my point is that this game is consistent about being like hey don't worry about the accents just think about what these characters are in relation to each other and what their actions are what they're doing I am somewhat concerned with inconsistency in the accents but more particularly in terms of dialects and I think that's where the jarring response the jarring response is coming for most people from the fact that we have Mimir as an example of a casual but much much less anachronistic sort of style of speech but then most everyone else is talking like a modern American but there are still loads of people like Kratos and the Valkyries who don't you're right actually I want the honorable mention the fact that despite Kratos accent he seems to be one of the only characters that speak like instead of saying oh I'm coming he'll be like I am coming you know like he's very that's the way he talks and you'll be like um I don't know it feels a lot different than for example Odin saying I'll get my axe off your back which is very I think I know pretty serious people that speak the way Kratos speaks like I don't know serious people is the right word for it but you know what I mean like people who aren't necessarily the most serious the most easy going folk like you wouldn't describe them that way they're a little high strung they do kind of speak in similar patterns to the way Kratos does in in the last two games I wouldn't necessarily agree with that we've got a collection of voices here that I don't know could ever be considered I don't think there's any Venn Diagram that has any of the circles filled with many of the characters really they all are all doing different things in lots of different ways and it seems like that's just not something they give a shit about they're not for lack of a better term they're not going to make them feel as authentic as a lot of people would prefer the reason I brought this up was that I feel like it's got to be more than that for Odin because this applies to a lot of the characters I would assume it's more than that for Odin I think actually it is a lot of the arguments involve like it doesn't feel like he of all people should be talking that way nor should he be this casual but then we have to dig into what should Odin be you can reference mythology, you can reference other adaptations or you can reference what we learned about him in the 2018 game and I don't know man after everything I did learn about him in the 2018 game this this Odin makes a lot of sense to me yeah he's a sneaky fuck it's disarming yes you can tell that's how he gets his power is that he comes across as though he doesn't have a huge presence and yet when things matter that's the thing that's more to talk about once we see more of him but already he's taken full control of this room he kind of gives me his like junior from the sopranos it's like oh yeah people call him mafia for sorry mafia Odin he's kind of an unassuming sort of thin smaller guy but yeah it's like oh but he could say the word and just have you killed immediately like don't mess with that guy also and then you have like stuff like he should have the look of Anthony Hopkins Odin right and stuff like that or you should you should be speaking very regally and stuff and it's just like I feel like those things will fall away the more you see of this version because he'll hopefully anyway that's also almost exactly what Zeus was and like the previous yeah the way they portrayed in the Greek one I think is much more publicly expected this one a lot of these have to earn their place and uh well it's up to you is an individual to see whether or not they do we'll we'll see some more of this shall we dying is what we asia live for and let's be honest they were kind of useless but Balder he had value he was my best tracker my closer yeah his mind was gone sure but he had his uses and now he's gone because of you you follow me Kanye commentary is really I don't have a debt it's real no no fun anymore you no fun anymore what do you want how bad peace I just wanted to highlight like the both he and Thor after credit said what do you want they both seemed annoyed by that question what could we possibly want like come on yeah and and so this you already get the impression that he's like he's like takes a breath and he says how about peace like like basically I'm not even I don't even really want peace with you how about that's what we do strike retired god of war how about we just don't kill each other how about you stay home kick up your feet seek no quarrel with me you noticed it rags I think plenty of people do but the second the boy is brought up Kratos is a body language and I'll have none with you that is something as we go forward everyone if you are watching this like treat this as if you are watching a movie with actors yeah which you're not often sort of thinking to do when you're watching a video game cut scene but we're at the stage now with this level of production that expressions subtle body movements they are filled they're scattered all over this game so keep an eye open for those sorts of things and you'll be rewarded some people might say like well how do you miss it there's like no some people do miss it because it's a lot of well yeah like I said a lot of people don't know to look for it in a video game cut scene yeah it's not something you might think about they're wrong hey well if they've seen it before you know fair enough in this type of game you should not do that that one has to stop his search for tear yeah we know what you've been up to stop it that fucking lie delivery dude we know what you've been up to stop it I would stop immediately whatever I was doing okay sorry sorry tears old ways are dead he is dead you understand that's it there was where shit I'll even sweeten the deal I'll let you keep the prisoner that I know you stole that's right I know you're in here somewhere you silver tongue little shit before I let him speak this is such a huge deal maybe you're spent all of basically 2018 tell you how much of a piece of shit Odin is yeah yeah now they're the same room again you can tell from the way Mamiya talks that this is a person that makes him feel incredibly uncomfortable yeah he comes out swinging with this line why should we believe a word of you what have your promises ever been what there he is my old partner in crime he's lost weight if he tells you snow is white he's lying yeah can't the smartest head look at him he fucking hates him yeah he's curious and we get to know why he's usually so calm too that's why it means even more when you watched my thing it was just kind of like look how Mamiya is losing his shit when they pointed out it was like yeah because he's really angry and hates the guy yeah that makes a lot of sense we get more on it in this game Mamiya it's definitely his own responsibility to some degree but he just sees Odin as someone who fucking ruined his own life as well as all these other people and he you know wishes he acted faster in that regard but yeah so he just hates this fucking guy alive see past himself see that we all want the same thing alright here's a deal I know you can trust I'll settle your debt with my ex hmm keep Freya off your back keep your boy safe that's really all you want isn't it so what do you say I love it so great so good but why didn't he take the deal though this is a legit point of confusion for many people so the first question everyone has in response to that question is oh you didn't play 2018 game or no yeah 2018 game you told that Odin is a deal maker he makes shit tons of deals with all kinds of people and every time he does he fucking back stabs them destroys them kills them destroys the whole family basically cannot trust this fuck he'll do anything he can to take advantage of you Mamir has spent so long explaining to you that all he'll do is try and take advantage of you he also just made clear he's going to be attacking Freya yeah which is a big no no so yeah and Kratos didn't say I don't want peace he said no to the deal as presented yes and then and I quite love this angle by the way because it's just what is Odin's response to this like well it's there's only one he's going to have it's executed so well too don't take all day yeah don't take all day it's the fact that he goes straight to that as well there's no bargaining here yeah helps to establish a position of strength for Odin or at least you know yeah and I think the audience's view it's worth saying Odin feels fucking disrespected from that answer too and yeah I like the take that this is what Thor says next is exactly how the audience feel who really want to see this fight finally fuck time fuck it fuck it fuck it I've been waiting for this you're not from here it's like in the event that there's in the event that there's anyone watching who hasn't played the previous game Kratos killed both of his sons yep we already got him hyper intimidating from just saying hello now we've got this overt like I'm gonna fucking kill you and the fact that he's enveloping the whole screen and he's got Kratos at his hand it's just like fucking phenomenal intro to the power of Thor Thor's huge like he's towering over Kratos when you first see him yeah I've been waiting for this you're not from here we got a tradition called blood payments it means I get a piece of you for what you took from my family you'll pick it up some people confused Kratos killed Magni and then Thor beat Modi because the brother died he was obviously enraged and probably drunk Modi ran off and uh met back up with Kratos and Atreus and then Atreus stabbed him in the neck and kicked him off a cliff for Balder now show me this god killer I've heard so much about can't fight without your axe powers how were you ever a god of war I did not seek that fight with your brother I don't care I don't care I actually saw it real quick does Thor know that it was Atreus who killed Modi I can't remember specifics if you'd have to just check the dialogue I can't remember if he knows it's the difference between Atreus or Kratos okay sorry because I'm under the impression that Thor thinks that Kratos killed both of them so I just noticed I can't remember if Atreus takes responsibility for that well maybe just to grab that Kratos says he didn't get the blood payment from Atreus yet oh yeah do you think you consider it like a package blood payment deal probably kill both of them okay fuck you really like having him snap his fingers to recall Mjolnir do you see that one where he snapped it and it rose up just to block the axe attack that was just cool and of course Mjolnir looks fucking awesome as well oh yeah it looks so cool it's here that he Kratos kind of said right because when he says that's for Modi Kratos says you no what he's highlighting is just the fact that he would even say that's for Modi that implies he thinks Kratos is responsible right at least in part I think it's safe to say that Thor thinks it's both of them yeah you tear you preachy old stiff if you're not fighting goody you're not fighting right you get that damage though nice try I love that they have pieces of dialogue for shit like that this is like yeah fucking idiot he's got a name bright not good fuck what I love about this is it he's like calling a dumb ass for not knowing he's like yeah it returns to me but it's just like you'd be so much more aware of that as someone who is in our universe than Kratos would necessarily I know he knows that's how it works but it's just like this is still new to him while Mjolnir is one of the most famous things in this game I mean he should also kind of know based on what Leviathan does no it's what I'm saying is like this is still he hasn't fought Mjolnir for more than like a couple of minutes you think you can come here become a daddy get a clean slate that ain't how it works you're a destroyer like me there's another I missed this part oh yeah this is the fake out death screen I say when we're done I was trying to you didn't have to do it wait I hear theo noises what do you guys like about that are you shitting me I am very serious go for it rags do you not think that this is a really excellent way to blend the storytelling of the character with the mechanics of it being a game I actually think it's quite a terrible way I can tell you right now Theo I'm going to guess you hate Hideo Kojima no really you don't can I guess Theo's argument I'm gonna do it is it the mechanically speaking then he just had his first canonical death and it got undone by Thor electric you and him well it's not his first canonical death it would be considered he's never died before this would be the first canonical death he has a couple times in the greek games no those aren't deaths he goes to a place that comes out of it again it's bullshit this would be an actual death the whole reason why the non canon every time you die is because yeah Chris just never dies he never stops he keeps going but if you flash us the death screen that could imply for a moment there that he would have just been dead that Buffy died why the fuck would you say that because I have a feeling that you would understand that about people don't just the character died luckily Mark just listen luckily all you did was spoil season 1 which is pretty bad luckily that's exactly what you just did and I would go as far as say no spoiler retos for Buffy because these fine gentlemen would be watching it eventually could be sooner rather than later anyway for years now sorry so Theo why don't you say what you think is wrong with it okay I'll see what I can do so my problem is entirely and solely with the presence of the death screen I think the death screen is a really really bizarre inclusion and I don't understand what it's supposed to accomplish for two reasons first off because it's a real death fake out for the character and it came just after a QTE sequence the first place every player's mind is going to go is did I just fail the QTE oh shit and then they're going to mentally reset out of whatever was just taking place because they think they just failed the QTE until they're baited back in and they have to re-engage the scene because oh I didn't actually fuck up that was not three seconds of time wait because I would want to counter my own arguments what I brought up just now and I'd want to counter that one that's I would say adding to it you are you are indeed in the mode of I lost fuck and then a voice comes where it never is expected before of we're not done and you go wait what and then you rise all the way back into no we're still playing this game it's not over yet like that's the experience I think they're gunning for they want you to go into that mode of playing the game of up I lost alright I have to build myself back up need a focus and it's like no not at all your back okay as much as though I can agree with you on the point of like it's literal false information to the player they didn't lose anything I think all that does that that's my problem is it creates all that does is obfuscate and create a small sense of confusion for a moment but to respond to what you've said I think that would be much more effective if that came from an actual player death but actual player deaths result in real death screens and this scripted death does not and that's when the only fake outcomes like he will actually kill you if you die when you're not supposed to that's true I think then it would have been cool actually for them to force this early if you actually had a legit death quote unquote yes yeah that could work I think this works tremendously well if it's a real death I think well let's see I still think it works when it's a fake out death but I think it's better if it was a real death I think it's so bizarre as a choice especially because it compromises their one take thing as well yeah you're right and in universe contextualizes the existence of a death screen which is kind of horrifying to think about do you think that in universe contextualizes a death screen or that something that's out of universe that is being shown to us meanwhile in universe it's just credo slang there yeah I think anyone who goes as far as to say that it implies an in universe death screen is I was going to say like if you like that argument then pause menus have to be out as well that's a pretty wild one well yeah I think Theo's already made that argument though to be fair as any the menus result again I'm not fully willing to commit down that line like that's a bit further than I'd maybe reach but pause menus are something that is player dictated there are concession to gameplay okay sorry upgrade menus does the same not apply that's what I'm suggesting is that we would contextualize in the same way we see menus credo sees I'm looking at my bag of stuff and I'm moving things around and putting things on and changing things sure but this came as resultant from a scripted sequence okay but what we see isn't what he sees okay what about the menus that come up that you have to engage with though that you must do that you have to do it like you have to go into the menu to learn how to upgrade or QTE button prompts you can't disable tutorials either I tried and they still come up I'd be fully willing to make the argument the game could or the game would be benefiting from having diegetic menu systems well sure but you wouldn't say that when it's scripted you have to go into the menu to learn how to do unlocks that would be the universe recognizing and canonizing menus in the world I'd agree with that you can maybe use a book have credo take out a book and have that be well yeah they sometimes do that obviously when having us walk up to the smith in order to upgrade our shit is the best contextualizer in universe someone said well what's the point of the death screen then if it's only for the player it's to encourage the player into that sense that Theo was saying was actually a negative of you did lose we're familiar with that death screen we go ah we died this is a quick time event that you have to lose because it's a it's an unwinnable situation you have to die here do this quick it's like it's specifically to make the player feel a particular way it's going to do a kratos in terms of the death screen a lot of vulnerability um here we go again guest has a different opinion of all the rags friggin they've all spent 45 minutes beating this topic to death wow welcome to eFap and Theo's definitely one of the people who comes up with interesting ideas and the funny thing is we all just agreed with him that it would be an improvement if it were a noisiness it would be an improvement but never mind that I don't think this is bad at all I like it a lot I think it's pretty great and I don't I really quite hate it I find it incredibly baffling as a choice I like it but I agree with Theo's argument well I guess the thing is is that I I'm pretty sure that a lot of people responded to this well so like I think in terms of achieving what they were going for it it worked even if it's like a a decision that you disliked I guess if you go what I mean like I remember seeing people talking about how like that caught them off-guard and they thought it was really cool I've seen like specifically for the I'm not really appealing to popularity it's more so just that like an effect that they were going for was achieved the effect being oh I died damn oh wait no I didn't holy shit like that's just a response I've seen that was how I responded to it when I when I played it this is incredibly weird because I'm having to try and infer mindsets from what people are saying when they're commenting over when they're playing the game but I've also seen like I have seen many people express sort of a sense of the fuddle rather than the immediate sense of oh I lost like rather than considering oh I failed the QTE they wonder did I fail the QTE because of course they would have been mashing so they wonder like what was insufficient about what I've done confusion rather than the intended that's actually why I agree with you that it would be an improvement just strictly to be an actual because it can it can betray your inputs but obviously it's technically speaking you'll realize pretty quickly it's not it's not any of that because you haven't lost anything but ultimately is the developer trolling the player for like a quick smirk laugh like I mean that that's ultimately what's happening right because it's then pretending that you're dead when you're not really dead and then immediately saying well just getting like now we're back into the game and I think that it's completely acceptable for your reaction to that to be haha you got me or oh fuck you like I think both of those are kind of reasonable brings up something pretty fair as well you can switch it to from pressing to holding and you and they've said like people who play with that which you can choose as an option obviously baffled by this because they're just like what the fuck yeah so that's fair as well it needs I would say it needs tweaking on that respect it actually makes the accessibility not make sense with the difficulty that they chose this game doesn't have you might have a gym sterling video to respond to doesn't really have failable qte right I don't think so I don't know why you do the frail ones in the opening you can fail okay I put that in the first the first time because I was mashing instead of only pressing it once instead of only pressing it once yeah because you're supposed to do like R1, L1 so you do those elbows but I was mashing them oh okay buffer the inputs or honestly just like oh you're doing way too many inputs you die now any qte is better than having to try to tap really quickly during Callisto protocol on pc I don't like tapping buttons on pc yeah I know I'm just like oh man can you uh at least make it be yeah like make it be enter or something it's nice and chunky for me or I'm alternate between left and right mouse I'd like if that became a thing I think we've certainly talked about qte's in the past and where I think they're appropriate um but I haven't played this game so I couldn't really yeah for the sake of countering the argument I was bringing up before Theos it was that you don't have to contextualize this as a death as opposed to him being knocked out the screen is for the player death is a process not just the thing that necessarily happens it's like a defibrillating those people are like sure they're dead in a way but also you can undead them I'm leaving till I see the real you get up also this implies that Thor has gone to medical school and is a certified I don't see any reason not to think that that's not how cardio version works so maybe it should but yeah um so to be definitive right because I don't blame you yes uh what's supposed to have happened in god of war one and two is a death it's just that in the greek world I guess you could say it about the north one too it's just that in the greek one it seems easier to just sort of leave um when you die the first one obviously he climbs right out and the second one um Gaya gives him something yeah like powers you up or something no no the first one it's a pretty big deal it's in god of war two um Zeus kills him and then he climbs right out and like like immediately he's definitely you say big deal I mean you go through a series of platforms it's really weird I mean it's like it's arguably the most frustrating area I don't disagree with that I'm saying I'm saying um any and he was a broad description right at least in god of war two guy had had to do something powerful and magical or whatever but in the first one you it's a logistical issue you must move from a to b to get out of dying yeah that's true um obviously it's not yeah the hell was a fucking nightmare in that game um dude I saw people saying they want David Jaffe back because corg vallog sucks and I was just like you guys remember what he did right although to be fair David Jaffe you know I have I've I've shit on David Jaffe in my videos before because I made a big video on Metroid and his take some Metroid dread are absolutely trash absolutely I remember those I think he has come out and said yeah well you know Hades we ran out of time what can I say he's been pretty upfront about that not being his favorite part of that game so like I still like you David although I you're not fight in the game is that x-ray girl screaming in the background yeah it is she's playing uh doctor yeah he's screaming what do you mean they don't have weapon crafting but a fully functional cash shop where I can't just buy things I want for the actual currency it's almost like this company knows what to do but they purposefully didn't do it fuck this game that's probably what she's saying yeah I've actually been upset with some of the experiences I've had with dark time because it's a it yeah it's a market it very clear and stark downgrade from vermin tide to I also buy dark tide right now everybody so I did also don't think that switching engines was the best move because man that game kind of runs like trash on all of my computers oh no yeah and vermin I too didn't look bad but yeah before we go before we go into a spiel about something that I care a lot about and have many things to say let's return to ragnarok because we have a lot to cover oh well we're mostly through it now we're near the end oh all right well how do you guys uh how do you guys feel about angriota clearly clearly this is the boss fight so yeah it's the end of the game music yes this is the music section it's so good, of course the theme is pretty foggers this I believe is the theme for Asgard the the like motive but this obviously is the one that's used for this fight yeah it is it is because it plays at another part in the game couple parts yes I was gonna say specifically but we're not doing that this might legitimately be a soundtrack that I buy a CD of it's so good good. It's really, really good. This is pretty awesome game vinyls. There's companies like limited not limited run. Sorry. Oh, shit. I am 8 bit that do vinyl records of game soundtracks. And what they'll do is they'll give you an mp3 code or like a digital download code, and then a vinyl that's got like really nice artwork on it and stuff. And usually, I mean, on the pricey side, but usually worth it if you think the music's really good. I love the soundtrack of that game. It's so good. I feel like we should say something about it. We all just transition mentioned that the part I prefer is the rumbling growing strings towards the beginning. I really, really like that at the start of the scene. The the yeah, yeah. I like all of it all of it, man. But as I've been made where I have a serious weakness for choir whenever they doing anything. Oh, I'm walking off. It's really funny. I'm quite the opposite at this point because from soft of annoyed me with it. They still I actually thought that would happen with me still hasn't they can send a billion choirs. Yeah, because their tracks have started to get kind of samey, or like there is one style of instrumentation and one sound that they like to do over and over again. And it's a good sound, but they keep doing it. Theo with more trash takes. I actually think it's so totally fair because yeah, from soundtracks have been they are very the choir is always there every time. It's the variety, right? Yes, I would still say I love Dark Souls 3 soundtrack and a lot of that is loud. It's not as there's not as much variety as in like Demon Souls or or Bloodborne or Dark Souls, but I still love it. Choirs and all the fuck up it was an offhanded mention. Jesus Christ. Well, I realized as well. I realized what I said. It's in like every track is like, oh, I'm going to be punished for that. And I like there's actually one track called The Demon's Lament where it's there's no choir's lament. So yeah, there's a lot of choir. Okay, that's the hero is Yuka Kitamura as well. And you can tell it's her sound coming through, even if it's very Japanese. Um, yeah, I haven't gotten tired of hearing basically any instrument. I don't think I have a will. Instruments are pretty cool. I like them. I want you guys to play Sekiro. I'd love to hear what you think of it. Very good. I played Sekiro when it came out. No, that's different. That doesn't count. Metal, we might have to talk about Sekiro one time. Oh, no, it's interesting. Okay. Yeah, whatever. Fuck off. Oh, sorry. I love talking to you about RoboCop. I talked about RoboCop and I'm going to ask you a sidebar. How about Yeah, that was your trust, by the way. I was not being cyborg racism, so whatever. That's true. Yeah, it is. One of my favorite movies before I lost a leg. So, you know, how about that? Oh, God, shut up, honey. What a fucking spectacle. When he when he grabs it, but the cameras following them as they just fly away. He's going, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha. This is like, oh, it's a fucking cool. Yes, this little exchange is great. This is the best game I've seen out of this game, too. Yeah. Slamming a mule. You say Moody's side up in fear of you. He died of the woods you gave him. Oh, we got a model father. Look at the door. Look at that. And what do we get? Frozen lightning, baby. This feels familiar, he says. Yeah. This feels familiar, but don't matter. Don't matter if you don't find out. Nope. Yeah, I do have this in here, mutually at all. That won't be I won't be able to get that in in time. So we'll have to talk about it when it becomes relevant. I remember seeing like the multiple people get terrified about potential time travel and implications from that. Oh, yeah, there was a lot of theories as to I remember I talked about this on the 2018 stream. I'm glad I was absolutely wrong and that there was no chance of it happening. But Paul was going to send Kratos back in time after he died and became Jormungandr. And it was like it was a big old theory. And that's why Jormungandr's chill with the trace and stuff. And it's just like, well, I'll have to see how they do it. If they do it, they did not do it, which is preferable. Yes. OK, to be fair, they did a lot more than hurt his feelings. Like as a person who pretty recently played every single God of War game. Yeah, they did a lot of shit to crack. He's you might say he's being rude when he summarizes it that way. Yeah, a little bit for a bit rude, mate. Might want to unfair. Yeah, come on, man. As you can tell from the damage, this is called story mode. Yeah. You play in an ACR. Let's see why my son's. Yes, he. You missed. Lesser version of. What? Hey, unfortunate timing on those two lines in this version. Huh? See, he's under the impression that the Kratos killed both of them, right? No way. My son's fell to you immediately followed by this is why my son's fell to you. Yeah. Oh, I see what you mean, because of the sort of random dialogue. And then the cutscene. Sorry, I was combining what both of you were saying. And I was like, I have no fucking clue what your point is. So, yeah, no, I wasn't even on Theo's page at all. I was just like, see like the Thor's under the impression that Kratos killed them both. And Theo was. You might be I think you might be right. I'm not sure he might still what he's talking about. He might still be attributing it as they fell to you as a you and Atreus sort of thing. Yeah, I'd accept that as well. Let's see why my son's fell to you. You missed lesser version of you, but I am not my son. I'm mocking you for playing on easy. Wow. And your boy, all father has planned. There he is. There's the God of War. Souvenir, God Souvenir. Get it. It's still out there. It's still out there. Go get it. It's going to be. You killed my son's, but you punched me real good. So it's cool. Well, it seems to me that it becomes clear at that point he was never going to kill Kratos. That wasn't why he was there. Yeah, that's true. I'm pretty sure I like that exchange. I think the rationale when you think about it is kind of funny, but it is a very cool scene. Oh, I love the expressions on him again when he grabs them and you start to it becomes clear. It's like they clearly crank the work they do on expressions for particular moments because like Thor's face is not that animated all the time. But in that moment, it needs to be. Kratos, it's Cendrian Brock. That was quite a fight. Oh, now Odin is with Atreus. Once you chase Odin off, you got another place to lay your head tonight. And I don't mean that talk. We will not abandon my home. Oh, yeah. And what's to stop the all fucker from spying on you? Or raven packing your house. Brock, over George. That's one. You go get your boy and I'll speak to a certain someone about putting you up in his place in a pinch. I was about to look for you. Are you hurt? Are you? What does he want? To pay for the roof and he invited me to Asgard. You paid for the roof is such a mobster. I couldn't hear what's going on. It is. That's for the window that we've approached. Obviously. Why were you searching for Tia? If I told you I was looking for him, you would have said not to. So you hid the truth from me. I wanted to tell you. I really did. But now that you know, there's something you should see. No. Just trust me. You'll want to. Trust me. Fuck my trust. Then let me regain it. Let me show you what I found. Besides, we haven't seen the last of Odin or Thor. And clearly they can just walk in and blast holes in our home whenever they want. There's only one way to get them off our backs. I think I know how, sir. Yeah, some of these obviously these clips are more so for just you can understand with us what the storyline even is. But yeah, they are. Yeah, yeah. Obviously revealing that he's getting a little obsessed with our Mr. Tia. But how and why? And this is how and why. That's new. You didn't show the coin through? That's true. I probably should have, because it's kind of neat. That little coin, Kratos throws it and Mamiya says, and you can piss off or some shit. I don't know. I can't remember, but it's just a... I think when I picked it up, I was like, you better get rid of that. Get rid of it. It's fucking Odin's coin. I don't trust it. Probably his eyes. Get rid of it. Come on. Adreus, wait. Yeah, I don't think he's waiting. What does any of this have to do with that? We're coming to that. Look, here's Ragnarok. Do you see who's leading the armies against Odin? That's Tia. If he's going to be around at Ragnarok, that means he's got to be alive. We know it's Tia because he's holding a spear, which apparently is something that Tia does. Makes complete sense. Notorious spear holder. Yes. The Ragnarok's been added. Wimir, can this be? Odin told me he killed Tia, and he trusted me at the time, or so I thought. What if he didn't kill him? What if he's just had him locked up somewhere all this time? We are back to ifs. Enough. Wait. We are going home. Wait! I have one more thing to show you. That's it then. Tia's in Svartalfheim somewhere, imprisoned in a mine. So? What now? Brother, a word. Don't hold the lad's curiosity against him. It goes with being young. In my youth, we learned obedience. And is that what you wish for him? Brother, he's going to walk his own path. If you don't want him walking away from you, and smarten up and walk with him a while. Genuinely one of the most important lines in the whole game. I was about to say it's a lot of things here on their path. Not even in a cutscene. That's right, yeah. I guess it's an in-game cutscene arguably. I forget what we would... How we start... It's holding forward. Yeah. Well, you get what I mean. These moments like... I think even in Drinker's stream, he was like, he doesn't talk when cutscenes play. But when these moments play, he's like, he'll talk with his audience and stuff. It's like an indication of the dialogue being less important when it's not in a hard cutscene format, if I can call it that. You know, I don't blame people for missing it. It's just that this line is super fucking important. Yeah. Find a way to open room travel to Sparta Farm. I bet there'd be all sorts of useful equipment for us to... Enough. It will go. I really like that because he's like, come on, dad. The upgrades, armor, weapons. He's like, shut up. Yeah, you like loot. We'll go. You get all that stuff. He's like, yeah, fine, we go. We go to McDonald's, son. Fine. Really? If we do not find Tia, you will abandon your search for good. All right. You won't be sorry. Come in. Come in. Now, if you would just wipe your feet very thoroughly, I'll wait. You're not going to wipe your feet, are you? This is another scene I think rise when you... Because this is still like early on and you even knowing anything about all this. I think Sindri made a pretty good impression on you in this scene, right? Yeah, I always liked... I really appreciate just... We get a lot extra out of Sindri because this is the cutscene level where we have expressions and you can see where the eyes look and just his mannerisms, how he moves around. And it really helps bring this character to life and you really appreciate him, especially his dynamic as opposed to Kratos and a lot of the other people. Yes. Sindri is a very quick favorite. Lots of bouncing off of different personalities and yeah, just keeping an eye on everyone's faces again in this scene. They were clearly putting a lot of effort into this. Your bedrooms are there. The kitchen is just over there. Anybody need a snack? Kratos? Snack? I do not need a snack. What we need is your help getting to Sparrow Farm so we can... Oh, I should have included it, I guess. But basically, the realization is that Sindri's been helping Atreus this whole time. Yeah, and Kratos is very fucking upset about that. Try and rescue Tyr. To Tyr? Alive? I mean that's... Oh, what? It's okay. So what? I told him everything. Everything? You waited my son and disobeyed me. No, I kept an eye on him on your behalf. Nothing risky, everything very safe. Somebody else speak. What's important right now is that we try and open up travel between realms again. You said you know a way? Yes, I do. I just... It's just there's... It's just a lot of mud. Then why haven't you opened the way already, man? Well, to be frank, there was something we needed your help with. Oh, the Holder Brothers finally require the services of the smartest man alive. That's it precisely. How does this not feel like a reintroduction for these two in terms of... I know, right? ...syndry spends the whole scene like tried desperately just to be taken seriously and to help people into a little bit that germaphobic stuff but also just avoiding damage. Then Brock just blasts onto screen like, hey! Yo, I'm here! Obviously, they were introduced earlier. It's just that this fit felt like the actual like reintroduction as opposed to the just saying hello to them. How'd that get in here? This is also kind of the first scene of the main... The source side. ...post introduction, right? Kind of, yeah. What in all yarns me the happen to him? He's too damn tall now! Too damn tall. Looks like... Here is now your home base for the rest of the game. Yep. I blame you. Now come on, then. Let's get him something that fits in, please. He's just getting older, you dark plat. Didn't you ever have an awkward phase in your youth? Hey! I suppose what's done is done! They came right out and said it, too. We're all thinking it. Sorry, a trace, actually. Yeah. Yeah, the, uh, Svartalfime Holder brothers got a very... Very recognizable, like what he would say, because of, uh... Yeah. It comes up at a certain point that's very memorable. And yeah, just the variety of the instruments and the vibes in this game. Well, and how you can take one theme and shift the instrumentation and maybe the key a little bit and totally change the tone of it. I was surprised they didn't copy the menus over from the other game. They really wanted to separate them out, I guess, because I would have thought it'd just be saved work, but then again, I've never developed a game, so what would I know? This isn't of ours, sort of. Works for the city on safety issues. Should have access to all kinds of information on mines. And I know he's no friend of Odin. That's why your mother sought his help when she was trying to whip up a rebellion. Ready? A rebellion? Did you know about that? I did not. A rebel leader for no more. Sounds like exactly what we need. I think you missed the... Ta-da! You missed the ta-da? Well, never mind. I'll have this oiled up in no time. Meet you at the gateway outside. Rebel leader, Durlin? If that ain't givin' a hand to haircut. Huh? Very true. Don't give a hand to haircut. Wait, what just happened? What? I... uh-huh? We did that. I guess we're back at the beginning. Which one of us really was fucking responsible for that? Yeah. I don't know. I was just sitting here watching. I'm here on the side of a... You're on the side of a... I hope it wasn't me. I'm inside of a game right now. I can't click shit. So it was you? It was metal. He pressed a button in the game and it made something happen. But I've been pressing buttons this whole time and nothing happened. How incredible. It was you, Rags. You're just shifting blame on me because I'm German. Whoa. And that doesn't even know how to... I don't even know how to do what just happened. Some people just said... I thought it was Joel? It could have been. I was trying to... Oh, yeah. Tap open. Do a different window. Yeah. Yeah. Very true. Do anything and watch together? Remember things however they pop. Oh, it's funny. Ruins everything. Evidently. M.U. windows. I suppose you think, Dirland just counting the days until a couple of strays show up looking for trouble. What do you mean, brah? Show over? Are you hoping? Oh, is it not playing for you guys? It's playing for me? Yeah. Oh, I'm not seeing anything. Does that mean I was the problem? You might be the problem. Yes, it is so. Yeah. Probably. If we want to rejoin the room, that might make sense. You are the problem. All right. Can I just read it? Band instant. You're the god of problems. But it is it. But it is it. But it is it. Zeus. Bradley says that when he's dreaming and baby is like, what? Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah, this one was over the old times that dream. Yeah. One of the normal ones. You back in. Is it working? Yeah, I'm good. So I'm not sorry about that. No, never mind. It ain't old Brock's place to cast asparagus on my relations. This much funger not withstanding. Ignoring you. Fine. Go dark in Derlin's door. See for yourself how it goes. Just be warned. He's not the friendly sort of dwarf folk you're used to. He's cranky as all get out. And he talk funny too. Sounds like a true studying contrast. He talk funny too. This should be the part requiring my assistance then. You said it. This device here has been crafted to your measurements. It'll help you get a better look at the problem with those bifrost eyes of yours. So do I control this thing somehow then? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is just to hold you in place while we shine this light in your eyes. Oh, Cindy is starting bastard. Brock is having a good time with his life. He probably did that the correct way though. Like, don't do... You know, it's like, okay, we're going to put his light in the eyes. Let's not let's not make him dread it. Let's let's tell him about it. Right as it's about to happen. It's probably the best way. It makes for an incredibly useful tool as a result. I'm kind of glad that they found a way to do this in a way that somehow like it makes more sense and pulling it out of their ass because the bifrost eyes were like the whole one of the last things yours to get in the previous game, like the second eye. I'm hoping not to use the eyelid clamps. That's it. That's it. That's good. Now release. Use the... Use the quadrocorn shirt on him. That's our cue. Come on. Hurry. I'm coming. I'm coming. Frostfall goes eggs. Man, what was that for? You'll see soon enough. Just there. That should do it. See? No permanent damage. I'll show you permanent damage, are we? Fuck! Kratos! Throw me at him! Horns! Frostfall! Get your attention, you old dog! Toss me. Oh. I still can't... Can you not film these characters? I don't know. They're fucking great. I was recording it while I was grabbing something. If you stand there for long enough, Bibi is like, Kratos, get me. He's like, really? Pick me up. Right? Finch topic, Rick, quick. Yeah. What did you talk about when you met? Like, did you just say... Woman, guard the house. I will go to catch fish in the river. And then leave for five days? No. Your mother was far better at fishing than I. What exactly are you hoping to learn from Tia? Well, like I said, I was hoping he could tell me something about Loki. Was that one a synthetic man's Christmas? Huh? The wife's better at fishing. Totally woke SJW propaganda. I'm sure someone in chess would take care of that. Someone in chess? Take care. These stories. Traveling to other lands, giant stuff, and maybe about what it was like to fight back in the day. Just for the history, obviously. History. Lights hope Tia's in a talkative mood after being imprisoned for so long. Not all of Odin's captives can be as charmingly voluble as myself. We have no proof Tia is truly here. Right. If he's here. So actually, this might be a bit of a tangent, but I guess it's worth bringing up. Theo, like how do you feel about the story being delivered through these dialogue, like these conversations while moving between places in the game, like exploring the environment? I think I've mentioned that it's a good way to fill that time, considering it's not being filled by anything else, which is potentially a criticism you could have. However, yeah, it's a good place to, well, people talk to each other as they go places, right? So that's completely fine. The one issue I would have is sometimes the dialogue can end up coming out in a very poorly paced kind of way because there are things happening in between conversations. So like characters will have a conversation that doesn't really end, like one of them just delivers a line that clearly invites a response, but none is given because you walk into a combat arena. Then the combat arena, you do all of that. Characters behaves if there was not a prior conversation going on because they can't really account for that, technologically speaking. And then you walk a bit past that combat arena after finishing it and the conversation resumes right from where it left off in terms of emotional cadence and it can be pretty jarring. Do you think that if this was a television show, because I don't think we'd even, because if it was a film it would just not be enough time. Do you think that in a television show that you are presented with opportunities to convey this information in this kind of way, or would you have to change it a good amount in terms of the delivery of this information to adapt it to television? You may have to change it. I'm not entirely sure. It comes down to annoying considerations like the amount of time you have. I think you could have that amount of time, but I don't necessarily would, depending on considerations like budget. Sorry. I don't know. I kind of like that system of like, hey, this sort of flavor text for the lore that we were talking about when you were side questing and got into this area where it necessitates a combat encounter. So we have to stop the conversation because if Amir keeps talking it would be kind of ridiculous or you wouldn't be listening as long as you're playing on the difficulty that demands your attention. I think they almost nailed it. They just list these weird eras. And you're like, yeah, so before that happened what I was saying was, and because the player doesn't need to hear the beginning of the story again, you know? Yeah, there's for some reason there's more mistakes in this game in that regard than there was in 2018. I don't know how that happened. Yeah. Yeah. It was more really. Yeah, because like in 2018 I think there was I want to say between two and five instances of me actually having dialogue ruined because of crossovers or because it got canceled out for no reason at all. In this game I felt like it happened at solid 10 to 15 times and I was actually getting annoyed because I was like, stop. Why are you stopping? Why are you starting? Why are you crossing over? What's happening? Yeah, it's a lot of times when you go like on the sled or one of the boats and you're just like 10 seconds away from the next shore and they're like, let's continue this later. It's like, why? No, I was listening. I still have time to spend. Also, I would have stopped in front of the shore so I can finish the story. While in 2018 it was mostly they stopped when you get on the shore they're like, okay, wait, hang on. We're going to go in there. What's funny is now every time I see extensive accessibility menus all I can think is when there's something that's a blatant oversight like for example in Callisto protocol you just can't remap buttons on a controller at all. So if you want light attack to be R1 and heavy attack to be R2 fuck off because that's not happening. You have to light attack with R2 and heavy melee attack with R1 and it's just like while in your accessibility settings you've got all this like crazy high contrast stuff and ability to shift the text size and make it so that you're automatically dodging and all this like can I just remap the controller? Why is that not a thing? Sorry, they made they made the equivalent of light heavy R1, R2 and reverse. Yeah. Yeah. But like because I assume that their theory is because R2 is your trigger that used to fire a gun that it should be your go to melee attack and the heavy one is the weird one that you want to throw like you know like every now and then. This is why we don't cross the genre streams. Yeah, like you don't cross the streams man. Like focus on the type of game you want to make. Man that game sounds more unappealing to more here about it. Oh no it's yeah like honestly one of those things like I would honestly regret rebuying it on console just so I could functionally play it if not for the fact that it's so bad I've definitely got a video out of this game. Like and well. I uh I want to drag the conversation back to the question of out of war. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. No no no more specifically whether the whether it benefits from being a game rather than a television show or a film because one of the reasons why I kind of stand it as a video game is because I feel like having banter during these moments of traveling you know between different places like when you're in a river delta sort of area or something to go explore is like a good tool that video games have more readily available to them to deliver story that is difficult to do in a television show in the sense that the television show has a set pace whereas in a video game if you're given more freedom to explore that's just something that's available to you I guess from a storytelling perspective that I think that they used here. Yeah and I can agree to that I think that one of the strengths of video games as a medium is the ability to easily seek additional lore that isn't a critical path like it's not it's not required in order to see the thing whereas every time you have a lore dump that has nothing to do with the story in a TV or a TV show or a movie it sort of doesn't work you know like it's like well why are you telling me this is this important like it what of what of the pieces of writing advice that annoys me the most is cut it out if it's not necessary because I think that's incredibly vague as a piece of advice like what is or isn't necessary it's kind of complicated I think yeah it comes down to people having a really weird idea of necessity because you tend to see necessity in terms of if it's strictly plot-relevant frequently yeah yeah strictly in terms of what it accomplishes specifically for plot or for characters if you're being generous well think about the exchange that we had before right of did you ever talk to Faye about like her past or you know did you not do that and then just like go look for resources that could easily somebody could be like well that's not doing much is it you know like that's not really getting us anywhere so cut it and it's like man you lose you lose a thread and I guess that might be because that's that's a bit more important but there are like other conversations that are very much just about giving you a little bit more detail about the world or just a little bit of information about a character well I guess Fringy actually how's this is a scenario for you say if on the Millennium Falcon like just after they leave Mos Eisley in the first Star Wars film Obi-Wan tells Luke a story about the Mandalorians that has nothing at all to do with the plot that's that's world building for the Star Wars universe and there's a lot of good lore around the Mandalorians but it's like well why are you why are you telling me this like in a in a movie that it sticks out like a sore thumb as like well if this doesn't come into play later then I feel like you shouldn't be telling me this whereas I think you're very much correct in that video games or a medium in which you can just decide hey I'm gonna wander around over here and talk to this character and maybe learn a little bit more about the world that I know like part of the deal the contract I enter into in seeking this information is it might not be critical to the plot but it might give me a little more flavor to the world you know I think when it comes to a film just by virtue of how much time a film has I think that expediency and storytelling is good in terms of trying to achieve as much as possible concisely you know like strong dialogue achieving multiple things at once means that you don't have to have a like a conversation that you that a less competent writer would take way longer to achieve like you can condense it I think in the case of a game it's just one of the benefits is kind of like you said that you can pursue optional dialogue whereas optional material in a television show or a film you know yeah it's not a thing which happens unless we we enter an era where pop-up video is like would you like extra lower yes and then gives you a little sidebar for the thing it's like a spin-off TV show as optional content to add more uh a gas in the sand did you enjoy breaking bad you can check out the optional story better call Saul better call Saul charmingly voluble as my well we don't want to call as a tree and you have a severed head on your head none taken you're not taken fair point though very well we're looking for darlin you have an appointment no has anyone ever had an appointment here you need to collect on something pal think uh for writing a severed head around on your head is going to scare me into somehow approving estrogen secretion proposal right we are looking for a prisoner of Odin's he's being kept in a mind right up until this point I really darlin gets like fucking minutes in this scene but he's so characterised for lack of a better to him so this guy is just like clearly he's really not in the mood for bullshit has dealt with a lot and simultaneously already trying to figure these people out just by looking at them definitely feels like he's on point and when he says like you know he wants the information that that little move but he does like yeah so are we all buddy what are you like you know fucking whatever like but then look at his face when he sees the axe somewhere some friends of ours said that you could help where did you get yeah you chopped her head off with that too right she was my wife putting together exactly who these two are yeah he's like okay wait that wasn't that wasn't what I what I instinctively thought it was okay completely changes all I really love the he grabs Dina straight away yeah does this boy look like he could be a cross between those two or what Dina and I wondered where she went after our little cool earfiled failed it didn't work come on one's left alive I have to pay the price I'm afraid I can't help you with your little prisoner situation but he could have answers on how to stop Odin and free spot will find from the ace here now I'm not in the business of crossing the old father anymore wait before you go what is it a fine hygiene code violation for improper transport of a rotting head due to merits for speaking the old father's given name and uh yeah for fucking up my desk a fine buy it at your leisure okay okay okay get out of my office the at him and Radotosker especially came across super fantasy characters to be just the kind absolutely yeah and you can meet them you're just like wow look at you what are you about but yeah everyone those who say like he looks like she's me from hook it's like yes he kind of does I'll ask him yeah I'll ask him yeah I'll ask him me hey there so what about get out of my office don't you understand you said her name was Deener oh uh sure lots to say about this scene but not until way later yeah you have to we have to judge it for what it is at the time and we're getting the payoff in a second I think hey this isn't a fine not now there are enemies ahead yeah it seems like Dylan may have helped them more than he was handing on to there in terms of just yeah that it was a fine but it ain't a fine what he gave you was pretty fine plausible deniability for Odin too yes and well yeah I mean this is how he speaks yeah allowed there's uh there's so much to say but most of what I want to say about that scene can't be said until way later so like I'm just gonna have to wait I guess stay tuned yes another moment to appreciate this Spotify battle music now and by the way I guess it's worth noting game looks incredible oh yeah it almost feels like a given everything looks amazing in this game just if you didn't know I could just watch it here it's like obviously this game is visually stunning visually speaking this is compressed to hell and back so even then were you playing an HDR as well high dynamic range I'd have to check I had to change some settings because my things weren't working right with my OBS shit so okay because I find that like the way that things look a little on the washed outside here that that tends to be what happens when I'm playing an HDR but capture in standard dynamic range and it makes things look all kind of gray what you'll find is that the saturation contrast they're gonna change throughout this because my default saturation on the PS5 is like sickly in terms of color so I have to turn it down but I try to match it to what I'm seeing on the you know the primary screen is coming through but sometimes I make it a little too washed out like so you'll see it it'll come up eventually the because usually at the beginning of my recordings and then I'm like oh fuck I haven't changed it and everything looks kind of clowny like really really bright and colorful like you didn't have to go so hard on every single track but you did you can chill a little bit but I appreciate it all good shit the most you had on the train lot it's just a word I've heard way worse from the word does not matter it's way worse lost control we were falling through the air I thought we were gonna die is that what you truly wish your last word to be no in moments of crisis panic does nothing harness it let it serve you father that's like the I think it's a trailer and it comes up again later in terms of just a line that is important for something and it's so weird that it's prompted by him saying shit yeah and yeah it's done in a casual moment in the game there's a lot of really strong lines throughout this game you can find them in all different kinds of places also it was like I skipped a better part of that song I'm sorry I can't play all of the the song like I tried to choose sections I did my best sorry there's a gate up here heading towards the entrance to the mine if you can get up here I'll need your help lifting it if oh come on you can jump that your knees aren't that bad that's your ass you're an old man I'm sorry I know you said not to but I can't stop thinking about this we spend all of our time fighting bad stuff and I don't get why we can't do that alongside tear we do not know him we saw his shrines he's a leader he stood up to Odin when no one else would if he's done it before why wouldn't he do it again images from long ago do not tell the whole story I can't help but feel like you're angry with me or something ever since we got to Svartofarn you've been critical of my every move if you don't think I can lead us just say so you use not your competence that isn't question okay but what does that mean consider your intent I intend to help the god of war stop Odin and that means freeing him from whatever prison he's in right now Atreus do my words irritate you it's fine I get it brothers wait is that light up ahead there yeah it's just building up Kratos is worried about what exactly Atreus is fully up to and they do build that early on in terms of there's a couple of lines I didn't include them where Kratos asks Mamiya what is what does he think Odin and Atreus talked about the implication being that Atreus isn't telling us everything Odin said which is a bit of a worry yeah tear what trigger oh and so is it but he said intentions don't matter no so what he's talking about with the bears is that now that their parent is dead and they are often bears your intention to not do that doesn't matter anymore only the consequence is they are now orphans your intention matters before you commit to an action and that's what Kratos is talking about like why are we here why are we getting tear and if it's because you want to start a war that ain't very good that'll be a bad sentences are said and lessons are given in contexts that you know they are dependent on so those lines aren't exactly directly comparable considering the context of what they're being about yeah like when you have the orphan bears telling them I didn't mean to orphan you is um it's just not going to do a lot thanks okie dokie yeah what is your intent matter at that point when you're considering starting a war then you know three is this Odin what game do you play with me now we're not with Odin we're the good guys you guys going to have fun reviewing this without spoilers it's going to be great isn't it yeah it is well I'm free with you silence chat soy tier no soy tier you'd have an argument for that for a while oh dude it was beautiful all the fucking people who were like soy tier then they complete the game they're like oh shit this is the god of war those planes god killer you come from me now all is to free you stay away rather let me try tier tier look you know me don't you you killed the mirror no no no no yeah we we brought him right back yeah stay away from me you monsters stop I wonder sometimes like Atreus that responds yeah but we brought him right back like right back I was going to mention that too it was like oh kid you don't have a good concept of life and death in this popsy-turvy world I mean yeah it's just fun that for the like oh I think almost the first time someone has seen the mirror and gone what the fuck instead of just like oh yeah it's a head no problem yeah just let's not forget this is a talking disembodied head so in any other context might be strange we need boy it's possible we've been around him so long it seems normal to us here listen I swear we're not here to hurt you we're just trying to get you out no way for me please take you somewhere safe oh wait for Odin show mercy this is my father we help people I don't belong out here please it's worse when he's angry are you not a soldier are you not a leader of men master yourself my son brought us to this place for you look at him this um this incredible disappointment Kratos has for the god of war for the Norse mythology like what is wrong with you why aren't you strong you why why are you gay you don't know me I know what you stood for you help the giants we're returning the favor we we are leaving are you coming with us Kratos realizing they're really tall in this place why is everybody bigger than me I hate the egg Mclarge huge here your statue in the lake you had a spear I thought you needed a walking stick no I kind of thought but no thank you no but okay giving the trails like sucks what's happening I ran because I don't always know what's real is sometimes there's there's no shame in that brother we live in strange times everyone hears him talk we want some to know I was about to say you could feel the shrug from the beer because he can't really shrug yeah why risk Odin's wrath to free me well Ragnarok is coming I hope you knew that we thought you'd want to help you freed me only to start a war no um um so to you it's good to see you in the flesh again the mere what's become of you following in your footsteps the trail in definite imprisonment execrable torture at the hands of the old father you didn't deserve such treatment did you I will say my view was a touch better than yours we found him at the top of a mountain with tree roots wrapped all around him the only way to free him was to owe that highly pleasant for all parties involved ah you okay the light it's it's been so long there's an outcropping just ahead the shade will make it easier on your eyes come on yeah it's becoming clear that uh tears time spent in prison has had a huge effect on him and uh obviously from what we've learned from him in the previous game it wasn't like he was a very active fighting god of war he was uh he was a peace broker as much as possible he stood up to odin but it's not like he was known for being some ruthless fighter that rescued everybody from everything yeah so everybody loved him he was like hey yo teo what's up come here hang out and stuff and like all the realms even like he went everywhere and everyone was like yeah he's a cool guy he's pretty he's pretty neat that ragnarok is coming which means balder balder is dead odin sent him to track down a giant in midgard and then he found kratos anyway i'd promise to take these two to the tallest peak in the realms if they chop off my head and convince freya to bring it back speak of balder i was getting to that i was sad to see in this recording i interrupted that other line that i really like where he finishes that conversation by saying it wasn't all kill this kill that that you saw i had a i had a light jog i don't know how i managed to outpace the dialogue yeah this you uh it it stinks when it happens and you don't feel like you've you know you're not rushing ahead but i guess when you you make these lines you have to design these levels and this is this is one this is one they don't repeat it's not one that just uh yeah it's gone forever if you miss her and that's the thing i could have sprinted and uh i would have lost all of it i honestly didn't think that any of them you totally lost i thought they all just sort of resumed when you were finished the battle i'd like like i i i would figure in this scenario when you killed these guys and then got back in the canoe mamir would say anyways brother what i was saying was and then just launch back into the story it's uh i don't think they can here because as soon as this fights over we're going to be doing the big scene you know and to put that stuff after it now is a bit out of order you should have taken the spear defended yourself no i've abjured all violence but you're the god of war i left that behind long ago if odin starts ragnarok you really wouldn't fight not even if i wished to before we go any further the truth what is it you want for me you speak of ragnarok is it a god of war you came to find is that the tear you need that's right yes i forgive me that i am grateful for my freedom but if you want me to follow you to war or worse yet lead you to it then kill me now my fight is gone damage is done no one's killing you brother better that than to live to see ragnarok we do not seek war doesn't matter the johns trusted you that's the tear we need we need you all i ask is for a good night's rest and maybe some food i think you killed the guards bringing me dinner brother perhaps now you'd like to finish the story the sons of thaw attacked us we killed them ball to try to kill freya i killed him but you skipped over how he's bought and freed the valkyries and that the giants are all gone and now they call me loki and finding the shrines giants are gone and we got to yotin they were all dead do you think odin we do not know yeah that'd be a huge deal to tear big old friends with the giants and and the fact that they've managed to come around on sort of maybe you can't hit things but you can still still help us with advice and insight which is one of the main things that atreus seemed to be interested in from here in the first place so you know it's not all huge loss or anything and hey we stopped a guy from getting tortured by odin so that's a good thing that's pretty neat yeah i'm a fan of that i think we're getting out of here in a moment too soon whoa what are those reinforcements from asgar the anriar will want to investigate my disappearance thoroughly and i mean i'm gonna say it now because i said it on my stream it's like well you know what it's kind of weird that he managed to escape as easily as he did because you'd think there'd be a lot more anriar there a lot more reinforcements and they would have come in faster too but there was like it was mainly just cave creatures the anriar you fought like a couple of them it's the only argument you could really make is that his location was supposed to be a secret but even still seems still too easy yet but fair enough music no be defense that they're that no one would be stupid enough to try and free tear we don't have to worry about defending it it makes total sense guys everyone knows that if you free tier the acier show up so no one would be stupid enough to do it therefore the acier don't care she do yeah i agree are they using the sky to travel between realms or didn't got tricks up his sleeve we haven't been able to consider they're coming down on either failure too will the doors be okay the time for us concerns has passed we must leave now lord tear you're really alive am i i wonder okay he's just tired okay cindy doesn't know what's going on like it's like oh we're doing some heavy stuff okay i don't know yeah however you feel that is oh yeah i promised him some food in a room to rest in ah of course you did well let's see what we can do please come inside uh we'll be right in so tear sounds like promises were made let's see about getting a settled shall we if you'll follow me so that's what's left to tear huh back where i come from we'd say he's been through a few things so have we all well ain't you filler soft pickle what are you thinking brother i am thinking i want things to be the way they were well i'd like to claim a tree again certain ships have sailed the horrors of cybernetics i just wish atreus were not so restless i care only for your safety i know brother but holding him too tight won't keep him out of danger the lads determined to make a few mistakes of his own and i hate to say it i think tear might be one of them i've never seen a man broken so completely i agree with me a tear might be a mistake no but i guess maybe we'll find out who knows yeah then also kratos' willingness to sort of confide in mamiir shows you know that they're very familiar with one another i quite liked it when the mission showed up but it was like uh speak with mamiir or something like old confer with mamiir i was just like ah sweet like that we're actually going to be like so about those events today what do we think it definitely a part of the story he's not just being he's not just a head that's super passive in that sense yeah he's he's definitely a character someone who adds comedy uh he's he's they've integrated him a lot more yeah he makes you he's got a character that makes you feel bad when you think of when you're playing this game and kratos is with whatever party member he's with and you say oh yeah the two of them are off adventuring you forget about mamiir there the whole time you know you feel bad because he's a you know a proper character and everything he's no less a person just because he doesn't have a body sort of thing yep well i i think an interesting way to look at it is who is kratos's best friend and you got to think if your first thing to think is to say atreus it's like well but atreus is his son so assuming you can't be the best friend of your child who is his best friend and then you got to think yeah i mean it's mamiir isn't it i would hope most people would add some mamiir at this point yeah yeah yeah like it's really not there's no other candidate expect too much perhaps pretty fair still wants to kill you that's an ally we could use that is not an option i don't suppose it is trouble sleeping i feel like kratos definitely would have said that yeah it's so interesting that kratos immediately says like oh you expect too much of tear like he just was just broken out like he has an understanding that here is gone through the ringer yeah it's like i think his first reaction was like why are you so pathetic but then at this point he's already realizing like because not everyone's going to be able to deal with it like you do exactly yeah but um yeah so crazy how many fucking characters have been through the same thing like you know none of them can outdo each other in terms of suffering really it's like oh yeah i suffered the most like well did you have you been told to for a thousand years or whatever they're like yes have you it's like yeah oh wow what are they all thousand and one actually get right okay you cannot sneak up on me like that there's something i have to do in midgard without me i thought we were partners we are just wasn't sure you'd want to join me i'm visiting an old friend oh i see or possibly not doing that taking to account she's determined to murder you everything cindy says in this game is so on point it really is he's a very sensible person to have around he's definitely yeah that he's that that voice of playing it say for reason and he seems to have gone from in the first game it was like so you're going to do something stupid he'd be like oh well you know maybe don't do that because this maybe could happen now he seems to be taking more of an active role of being like what are you doing idiot stop so i mean it's the simple fact that he's invested in these people now yeah they're more familiar you know because he doesn't want them to get hurt really i think it's lovely that you see the best in people i really do i want you to continue to see the best in people by not getting yourself murdered but we need her it it really does have that he who fights and runs away lives to fight another day energy who's injury or the scene or yeah yeah i'm sin he's like yeah he's staying alive is really really important it allows for many things to you know let's let's not do this kid yeah no there's a lot of dialogue in throughout the game cindy will often just advise like maybe we go the path of least resistance hiding and safety yeah it's worth the risk which is i would argue kind of indicative of like what happened to the dwarves basically they are as a race compared to the other realms right they're the least ravaged and destroyed realm but they're also the most under the thumb of odin yeah yeah can you believe it you're playing as a trade just an alternative something much less risky but maybe could give you some answers what are you talking about a certain old i hear a motif of ah i hear another one so he had a motif the sun's path right is the yes that's the song very giant friend yorman gander did you find him why don't i show you it's just on the way to the vengeful goddess who wants you dead so it'll give us some time to decide about not going there you know where fray is no no i mean yes but look let's just talk to the snake first and then i won't take you to fraya i won't take you to it like i'm showing you my hand but i'm telling you it's gonna work that payoff is so fucking great like this is good not so easy huh not so easy i'll hit him i want so father said i cast this bow in fenredad magical bow it's fine shut up i know it's i know i know it's fine it's just no you're completely right i actually think that is the moment where they're trying to establish that hey this bow is it's not a normal bow it's magic whatever anything weird like that happens you just have to say it's magic shut up you can hit it with it okay every time brock and cindy hits something once with their hammer and it changes its properties entirely it's like it's magic magic yeah i don't know what he's talking about magic that is disquieting accidental magics not all sort of turned into a bear a bear it's under the umbrella of accidental magic and i lost control fray knows magic better than anyone she could but not giant magic fun we'll do it which is interesting i don't even know what is what even is giant magic the well it all sorts of things magic magic it's funny because uh we we get told in this game we did the vania learn their magic from they actually answer that in ironwood your way then sin a huge venomous snake seems much safer it's venomous you can fix it can't you or does your brother have all the talent after all depends is your father all the muscle if i say yes you realize you're confirming brock has all the talent damn it are you worrying so much i just need to look out for the people i care about keeps bad things from happening to them freya wouldn't kill me nyorman gander's probably not even there besides he likes me he's only eating me once i had conveniently scrubbed that from my memory yes already become clear it's like this dynamic of having not kratos just means that we can open up some other things like cindy's getting a whole lot right now yeah it's uh we might because i guess we'll be because there's a few of these segments um to come they like the atreus sections seem to be the part of the game that's getting a lot of flak yes we'll be talking a lot about that soon enough yeah well yeah but it's like you've highlighted one of the benefits of having atreus sections is opportunities to deliver certain uh story moments that would be impossible if it was kratos yeah you can't you can't have i i i i i think i prefer to i guess delve into that in a later segment actually specifically like the part that strikes me as the very clear benefit of these sections oh absolutely yeah it's very relatable but you know especially when you're growing up if you're a you know a young lad a boy if you will like you're not the same around your dad then exactly with your friends you know especially if your dad is kratos spartan i mean all this discipline and everything he's like oh yeah yeah i'm probably gonna get out of line there's no big joking with uh with that kind of dad there is that definitely his perspective and how it differs from kratos but the other one is he can interact with characters who kratos like he just can't narratively when i say can't i mean if you want to actually write the story properly right like how without referencing any specific parts how many times can kratos and thor have a conversation that doesn't end in a confrontation that ends with one of them dead right yeah yeah like how often can that happen for the reason yeah it's not even just the fact that the tone of the conversation is difficult to lead to a particular way but they just the reason for them to meet up and not hurt each other is going to be difficult to write exactly compared to the opportunities that are available with the trius because of his more direct connection to the north side of this story that's not weird at all do you see the gesture to his eyes because they glow yeah he does that i just like that as a detail because i didn't even notice i like mr yormie he's cool i like him a lot this yorman heimer he's a good snake he is he saved him in the end of uh 2019 yeah bye theo goodbye i'll just when the choir pops up he hasn't said anything i hope he i'm sure it's an internet thing or something i don't know there are videos online of slowing down or speeding up or changing the pitch of his voice to try and tell not only what he's saying but to see how close to kratos it sounds to see it there were theories right the sound design on big snake is is incredible like it's it really sounds like an ancient being you know yeah i like it a lot yeah it really sounds like they took kratos's voice and scaled it up i think it's to confirm that you're not supposed to get subtitles for yorming gander that's probably one thing that it helps with well we can like vaguely understand it for atreus but for his it's just too incomprehensible or no i mean like if people are wondering just like should is he speaking in a way that i should understand him but the way his voice is presented like does it just make it difficult and i'm missing it when i shouldn't be missing it by having the subtitles explicitly not on the big snake it's it's confirmation of no you're you're not supposed to like understand him yourself uh whereas we give you some titles her when loki speaks yeah what is that that's all you're gonna say i got a big snack i got things to do i got more sleep to have good talk what do you think it means it means we should have stayed home let's head back so what was your plan anyway just stroll up to the old valkyrie council circle and hope fray isn't a good mood well now that i know where she is yeah exactly what i'm gonna do a bit of a clunk but it speeds up well it's inevitable obviously atreus is most likely going to try turtle house and probably the valkyrie circle i don't see why he wouldn't but you just want to speed it up i think you're gonna written that a little better yeah that's fair well now that i know where she is yeah exactly what i'm gonna do that was mark a paused what's up yeah sorry tell us you're in sight huh in all honesty it was my chihuahua i see of course blame the dog you know like yeah yeah yeah kind of fucked up you blame a poor little innocent animal like that but all right yeah i mean i you don't see me here i've gotta just not have watched together selected that's whatever you say you could just not press the pause button racist we had no choice not sure she sees it that way i'm not gonna ask her besides they were your arrows you're absolutely right which is exactly why i'm recommending we don't do this you're sure you want to go in there wearing the very arrow tip that killed her son i lied it under my shirt and besides it's a reminder to be better you need a murder weapon to be a better person it makes me feel brave okay that's such a bad thing when it leads you to believe you can convince prayer of anything yes it is i have to try are you sure this is a good idea you haven't got a plan rock says some people run better on chaos i think he's right what makes you think that applies here this is life and death and this is ragnarok we can't just do nothing and we're out of options living living is an option i wonder what mom would do i don't you trust her i won't you tell me hello down there hey come to your senses yet yes i mean uh i'm not changing my mind ha you do have doubts like you never do i spared him on this recording i would ask what your choice you are gonna make as you know what he doesn't deserve to have a throw bowls known to him known to him yeah it's not yeah it's known better than having regrets i'm not sure i agree with that but by all means keep going and you might find those too freya you should have stayed with cindy oh yeah wait stop your father where is he not here he sent you no he doesn't know you should have come he took my son what makes you think i won't do the same you're better than this you would stake your life on it what do you know the answer to that is yes by the way that's uh and i don't mean that i don't mean that as a joke atreus the setup throughout all of 2018 like his thing is to be able to sense a sense of uh what a person is what they want what what they intend and stuff he and you know he's criticized i think several times by different people for you see the best in people he sees something that is there it's just not always something that comes out but that's why he feels so encouraged and confident to talk to people who everyone else is like what the fuck you doing talking to them but the thing is gets him gets him access to things where a lot of people wouldn't have expected it because he he has like a clairvoyancy almost for for that is a part of his god powers or giant way he almost he almost comes across in a certain way as a foil to heimdall who has similar kind of you know that's similar ish ability and but who's grown incredibly cynical from it yes i know you haven't killed me yet so while you're thinking it over why don't you let me go and i can tell you why i can't oh shit you're right where all the christmas pfps we're in the third shit oh god you're right oh uh uh everybody panic jingo you dropped me one i haven't played one yet i was gonna work on it but i forgot i don't think i want i doesn't let you switch avatars during stream or at least i'd have to do it with like a laptop or whatever but suddenly christmas format and i'm trying to fix the fucking discord oh my god oh my god it's ruined pecking it boys we gotta go back the beginning oh fuckle yes just there you go we're all chunky now too goddammit see now we're in christmas mode but we don't have christmas avatars or at least i don't i'm guessing you guys will gradually switch jingle balls jingle balls jingle jingle jingle jingle jingle the co the Santa crimbers the not halloween la la la la rimbus time santa claus uh snow except for fringy mistletoe stuff it's uh bread things fringy can get access to bread houses he needs it sort of freezer right fringy why what to create it and then what to create a snowy winter for me in this very hot country that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying i said i said it's starting to get worn by the way and it's i don't know man like if it is i when people tell me like oh yeah summer's great it i don't understand i don't get it yes it's very hot all of the grass is dead like it's damn it's unlike winter uh it's just i don't know man like it's it gets so hot sometimes it feels like your eyes are burning walking around in an oven that's not good have you considered wearing like sunglasses i it's it's because like i don't know how often have you like 40 plus degrees celsius obviously i don't know what i don't know what that is and and weird american units what what is what is 40 degrees well i'm in arkansas so it gets very hot and humid here yeah it doesn't get humid here it gets the hot and dry uh i have i've been out to the arizona deserts though so i i know i know the feeling it's definitely not for everybody i don't know man like because because of course some people like oh yeah nice sunny day what they think it over spring when it's a nice sunny day in spring suns out not many clouds in the sky everything's nice and green um all the animals are nice and happy because it's it's nice to weather and it's warm sure but it's not like you know it's it's a nice warm it's not like hot and sweaty i don't know it's just i don't like summer i don't like it autumn's pretty cool winter's pretty cool i like spring but summer no thanks how cold does it get in your winter though uh not very like yeah that's why you like winter i'm canadian man yeah that's this thing i hear that like winter is really shit in uh in like a city that's cold because of just the amount of a hassle that it creates the just i mean mostly like seriously winter wouldn't be so bad if you don't drive but if you drive right winter winter changes everything when you drive because of a snow and the ice and the yeah and other people who don't know how to drive on snow and ice i just i don't know i don't i don't understand how like it's it 40 plus degrees is like it's like in a front you know it's no it's not it's not nice it's it's terrible it's just like it's just everything burns you know like everything everything burns oh my goodness it's it's like joker said everything burns except instead of money it's like the air itself is like so hot i don't know and especially because you talk about how like inconvenient it is to drive when it's cold i don't know man getting into a car that's really hot the steering wheel burns this well yeah but it's fine shield on the window yeah i absolutely it's a necessity when it gets that hot it's still hot though it's still burns you can lower them it was on the a c yeah what's going here yeah what it's positive road conditions but that's the difference because it can't that's the thing in Canada the whole road is snowy not just the part that you're starting out in so you always have the eternal summer that never ends i just i don't know i don't like it the eternal summer that never ends yep i definitely prefer summer i got a convertible i got i got no snow on the road no ice on the road i got my rear wheel drive i'm i'm i'm driving around having a gale time i got my sunglasses on my hair is blowing in the wind i got my tongue sticking out and i'm just i'm just having oh it's great i love me the i'm love me some summertime driving all around the countryside past the ball use in the swamp and all the little rural towns get off the highway and just you're gonna tell me that you actually like it when it's like above 100 degrees Fahrenheit that that you'd you'd enjoy that weather hmm it's right but you like it when it's not like that let me let me finish my my noise so in the same way i like snow and ice but not every day i like 100 degrees plus but not every day you know i fucking hate it every time it's i i hate it above 30 above 30 degrees really i don't like uh at all but it's like once it gets above 35 degrees god that's awful especially when it's like that the whole day it's like oh what's the time eight o'clock wow and everything burns already i love it it's great you are um what oh you're uh you know be careful now careful holy shit they can ban you for sleaze rags remember what kratos said rags panic does nothing okay and you're panicking this is definitely what i'm doing honest the panic i'm not saying the panic i'm a chat is right i'm a based heat enjoyer oh fuck just go to the beach problem solved here's the problem i hate the beach he doesn't like the heat he doesn't like the sand do you know what extreme heat is chat this heat and then there's that kind of heat yeah it's everything above 25 degrees that's extreme heat yeah we'll kind of do things high sand face you well yeah yeah if you walk on that sand like yeah exactly it burns i said everything burns all right like like the steering wheel the steering wheel of life you got to put that sun shield on your uh on your window there yes sometimes it's not enough rags stick it on there and you're good to go maybe if you want we maybe if you have weak early hands you could get some padding to put on the wheel so i'll just drive and touch it right you know that like a lot of doggos get like walking on on like pavement when it gets really hot it's not good for their little pause when doggos have to walk on the pavement i'm looking at sometimes some dogs are like that but you're not huh not me i'm a based heat enjoyer gives me strength i'm like the fire god i'm like arcanine gives me strength powers me up i don't think arcanine was a fire god then you eat children or something your fire dog just rearrange the letters oh yeah my dogs are more or less okay with it and their total pussies which doesn't make apparently not they sound like chads are anyway this is a video game if you guys want to talk about it oh yeah that's right absolutely i guess so speaking of speaking of winter for your father save your breath his fate is sealed where you know who's to blame for everything i cannot get to odin nor do i need to ragnarok will take him yeah well what if i told you that he came to midgard he came to us offer peace if we don't move against him claims ragnarok's already been averted he lies maybe but if you know girl's prophecy you know it depends on an army of giants the giants wait for war in yotenheim no i've been there there is no giant army there are no giants at all just me you in yotenheim we learn the truth my mother was the last guardian of our people in midgard and and that's not all the giants have prophecies about they know me as oki i think maybe i'm supposed to help stop odin somehow but since all the giants are dead and you won't fight odin and you already won why aren't we working together now that you can fight again i am far from hold okay that one hits hard okay but we found here maybe if you spoke to him here is alive yeah we we broke him out of sort of fun impossible the nine realms are closed to all no we opened up the way we just don't know where to go next but if we all band together enough enough leave this place go and do not return go before i change my mind do not expect the same mercy for your father so that's pretty good that scene is great yeah that's very great uh because freya is a great character a very very very good character the whole impression that you get with that scene is that atreus is basically starting to convince her yeah they should actually work together and she just will not allow herself to be convinced to do that she because she realizes that she's actually starting to get convinced she just wants to she wants to kill kratos and she don't want anybody to give her a reason not to it's um it's probably something i'll say for leah but there's a reason she's on the path she's on there's a lot of components but those components are actually starting to be worn away and so it's going to start making you wonder why you're on the path you're on yeah exactly you can tell now that she has all those new information she's definitely considering to do something else uh yeah exactly this new information so now it's just going back to the drawing board it's like okay what can i do with that yeah and she was so confident that ragnarok is going to knock out odin but um atreus is trying to say like it seems that there may be some additional action needed from several other actors yep as well as realm travel being open and tia being alive seemed like big shocks to it yeah big rocks big revelations like oh shit that might change some things but now please go away before i decide to kill you get up but are we telling your dad about this since you've come clean and all no way he'd kill you right well speaking of coming clean i need your opinion on something something i've kept from my brother for a long time long before you were born there was an accident at the forge rock died i couldn't accept it i went to the lake of souls and alfheim to steal him back legions of souls tried to stop me i can still feel them crawling all over my skin thing is i could only get three of his four soul parts back cindy brock just thought he got knocked out i've been lying to him ever since it's been eating at me lately you have to tell him he has a right to know when the time is right as should you with your father that's not the same thing you saved brock's life i caused trouble no i made a choice one that wasn't mine to make i i couldn't be alone so um brevity was complete this game oh shit this scene yep yeah different seeing it a lot of people when they go through this for the first time which is all we're going to be talking about it for now you're sort of like oh is this setting up like we're gonna have a bit of a bit of tension between the two black blacksmiths and we'll probably have a side quest to alpharm to get that last bit of the soul one's blue and one's white i think we both set that right yeah yeah i think it seemed like the most obvious thing so now we need to do and we get to it yep absolutely the other dwarves when they saw him they shunned us so we left made our own home well you can't change the past but it doesn't have to be who you are let's go home before father wakes up that might be the best idea you've had all night trey trey it's an shut up wrench so i'm not allowed to give you a nickname is that what that was whatever loke mauler what's what's my nickname what that you gave me what is rackleton obviously oh okay that's fair enough no that's a pretty good one as far as i go that's a pretty good one just said loke loke tone a little tone loke trey low yeah wringelheimers like in that one mm-hmm yeah nope that was worse well and i heard it when i said it all right shall we after tear was such a failure just wanted to hang on little yotan tear may not be everything you expected but a failure you saved him from a terrible fate that's not nothing and hey maybe he'll be some help to us yet maybe but father's not going to go along with this forever he's probably already got our next hiding place all picked out well let's not make it worse by getting caught buries enough to respect concerns me do we trust yeah cindy's a good lad just kind of the point yeah he's really good he's a great job having him warm up to you or have any warm up to him very quickly yeah and you can tell they he in the trails have become like bros uh quite quite similar similar how kratos and mimir become bros over time yeah there's a potentially a large amount of time that atreus and cindy are spent together he calls him sin because as we know they were looking for tear together apparently who knows what kind of shenanigans they were up to this whole time they would put us across their wisdom and this is the closest thing to hearing directly from him you are certain the giants were not comes to war and i said that they were wise in my experience that goes with being peaceful oh little brother told you we need no water trace where have you been peeing hope you're all hungry i could eat my boy can piss but it's such a like um it's like it's like a league of their own i just have large bladders it's one of those ones where it's like that's good enough i guess is a reason it's just like there's a weirdly long pee i don't know all right and he's probably like my boy took a poopy as well exactly massive he should have said one became two father you know how it gets you could say i took a giant shid uh really well rested as i am be right down have your battle buddy examine your prostate is this sausage oh i don't know if you're picking it up but uh here is sitting in cindy's space i was always cindy's like hey okay sure why not so you just sit down do you see that fine i will sit here yeah i just like this sit there and have food and talk it's great yeah it's neat it's awesome i remember food tasting better i suppose you'd like to try cooking for this long i accept you cindy he got splashed twice what i'm sure that's who i'm planning our next move oh so where are we going i'll find home with the elves alphan you hate alphan why would he move there move there seeking information the shrine of grove never live among the elves the grove suddenly found it there grove the knowledge keeper is it is fun though because like it tries to so sit and the creators will do everything he can to just stay away from any and all conflict and he's like move to alphan that's what i'm doing there yeah like credit is so baffled like what the fuck would i move we just said i hate it there oh maybe there's a secret there i can unlock people there bye we know how in the mirror is everything oh no that's a joke i wasn't sure you um never mind that's great alphan hey don't go forgetting this what'll get you there it's a soup and i don't even sure entirely what happened i think it's like a pot of brock's food went into sydney soup like really i didn't yeah keep an eye on it yeah that's great alphan hey don't go forgetting this what'll get you there you know what i'm gonna build a bigger table i'm gonna build this can driven nuts it's all upset about it more for me the soup made him loud yeah off to alphan then here you're really up for coming with us i am whenever you're ready well whenever your father's ready i should say with my council might help him over there eating soup with a knife it's the least i could do to crazy person plus truly a guy i think it will do me well to see the light of alphan again all part of the training that alphan i don't think he because you do see what he's eating it's like it's just a series of chopped up sausage maybe didn't want the soup it's more of a it's more of a stew it's probably not because i i can relate with that because i don't really care for soup that much but i'm a stew guy i'm a stew or yeah i like to do like guys called stew it i i make this a joke first damn it we're faster i'm i don't have any strong opinions on people named stewart at least people named stewart but if they're if they're mice named stewart then um vehemently doesn't make a difference of the stewart stew it w a r wait wait hold on yes you're good as the other stew it though stew it like stew it little yeah yeah well you could do either see about sd well i i guess i'm also there's on the on the topic of stew specifically does that inform your perspective on the the if there is a more correct st spelling of stewart um not really that doesn't really that that doesn't change it for me no that's good i'm glad you recognize that yeah i mean it's not the spelling that's important it's their it's their race obviously the mouse of course you know if someone's a mouse that's a big it's a big deal you know it's a big deal to be uh to be a mouse a big deal in his own way yeah and i'll still man in a big deal yeah and also stewart of gondor uh he wouldn't too great uh he was a little you know a little kooky up in the brain space but yeah you know stewart little's dad was Hugh lorry yeah that's right yeah how about that yeah that was happening that was before he became house was before he injured his like i can't remember why does house walk with a cane did he was there like an axon or was he almost he tripped over stewart little and he fell no i remember oh my god that's horrible oh god no it's stewart we don't know what it is it's lupus he just drew yeah stewart's fine but it was lima oh yeah i can't remember like the malls oh oh i got it oh hey these nuts before he became an entire house yes to do that one uh friendly chat they mentioned i can't confirm this i'm just going to say it as though it's true the cups they they've got on the table i mean i could confirm it but i can't right now cups to go on the table the cups you collected in uh a mission for the dwarven cups i think in the previous game no that is the oh really yeah not to mention um i can't remember the people who brought these things up but uh the the hammer that brock is using is and vari's hammer that's another quest i am you got in the first game but it's pretty neat yeah actually all the artifacts you collect in this game they go into like a shelf uh between you and craters and the traitors rooms i think oh that's what that because i was going to say um yeah i said bring a picture of it the um the poem you collect from kavassia about uh astros playroom you can tell from the book cover that that's what it is i think you can see it on yeah that's pretty cool i'm pretty sure the other other artifacts go there as well that's the that's the one i mean but i saw that randomly it's like oh that's neat i like that good shit good shit hell yeah brother wow maybe it sounds different so where did this plan come from i knew it would happen by the way you told me how far how long we spent on this tree but a bit like i'm thinking two hours it's been four it's been four yeah oh wow rist oh from we dove in 16 hours then yeah yeah yes i was merely asking how you found me and he explained the secret prophecies inside the yodnar shrines fascinating from there we set to taking stock of which shrines we'd seen them at which point your father recalled finding drawers outside the temple of light and now that we can actually go to alpine the prudent course of action became self-evident nary a last step for the world's smartest man even without feet if you'll forgive the levity i was always fond of our talks you know all right and it's good to see you a free man again old friend i mean we'd have more to say if it were later on the game that's all but it ain't later on the game so all right right um one of the things like this we're bringing up is that tier is a huge well of knowledge about the giants and it's curious we've not got more conversations about that these clothes do better than i deserve darn straight and never mind what brock had to trade the landlord to get that interest he'll see for you the landlord uh okay he really did it tier really slept in my broom closet ready when you are for you tall godly sorts or just the ones locked up for a life timer too mind if i take a little peek at you i promise yeah i'm fucking love that i don't mean it's so funny my goodness what a scrawl fella capable of an astounding variety of us girl acts of violence i imagine what is happening what is happening i just made a squirtle like chainsaw tree i just love the reaction of the aroma it's just such a like because obviously he's non hostile but he's still weird what's happening that's why you're crawling all over me the animation on round is fantastic it's so bouncy it feels like a bit loony tunes inspired like he's just bouncing around yeah i'm gonna wait for a better poor screen and then we can talk about his design pardon the intrusion ah yes amber resin delightfully nutty with a hint of squinting there you go perfect poor screen look at him awesome who's that little fella he's a very confident little squirrel hey look at the design is excellent i it's so good so fucking exuberant of characteristics he's immediately like eye-catching and engaging it's just like what is this guy's deal holy shit but yeah a pro zd being the voice does a phenomenal job it fits right and you you you uh have you've got it right you've got the pot yes that's it you got it yes we will likely come across it in this stream yes um yeah i love the voice it's fantastic and it's very well yes again easy foil for kratos just the the fact he's just highlighted like it's kind of a nice taste this thing that offers it back because like the fuck what do you want me to do lick it i'm gonna do that lick it lick than that no not one for gastronomic exploration i see wait if you're rada tosker why are you so different when we summon you for help it's a long story what you are correct i am indeed rada tosker the one you know is rada tosker is merely one of my spectral aspects and the particularly nasty one at that i consider him so far removed for myself that he's practically a different person fun fact if you're ever in trouble with your parents this excuse works 100 percent of the time give it a try you won't regret well that you met a different vision of me my spectral that wasn't that wasn't me you see oh no no no oh no bitter would you like to come out and see your friends park off i'm busy i you see the little reaction he had like oh that was to be expected anyway now that i polished off all the fucking crates i was just like what is this why don't i have to deal with this shit all the time threatened for you would you like the seed back it is the seed indeed a seed of idrisil to be precise since my dwarven tenants performed a little reconfiguration you'll need seeds like these to open up new destinations on my tree your tree huh yes my tree he feel like he says that with a little bit of pride because he takes care of it yeah yeah that's mine how many world trees do you have to show you clearly you have important matters of food yeah so uh something happened here uh oh no no it's so indomitant perhaps as we travel that one up until i was open someone else's world tree poses okay it's your no it's like a t-pose on odin sure i can oh yeah i threw this in because i didn't think this was possible you remember this puzzle right well pretty i don't know uh there's a line of dialogue from amir where he's like oh uh you can't get it from down here go up you know and then when you get it criticism like good eye for noting that there's a there's a platform there but i got it from down here i was like oh okay oh you can't well yeah if i just roll it back i was surprised i only did it for a meme just to like try it out but like look at the distance on the uh perhaps as we travel you can tell me the tale of your prior visit to the land of the elves sure i can be like i got it at the top of it too nice well it's not even i don't think it was supposed to happen like yeah no like it's like i would not have expected that to work because yeah like i said there's dialogue for not getting it from this direction but oh well i guess i don't need that dial i was expecting it to be like oh nice something from amir but no it's just i don't think i mean you you have a tendency to do things like they're not supposed to so that's fine that yeah the the the the alphime desert one i think that was pretty great like i i accessed the loot for completing a whole area before the area like just the opposite way i was just like oh cool loot the people like i don't think he's supposed to be nope last room whoa what's going on here who's fucking around what's going on here mark yeah i am totally i do not even have to watch together window selection sure fray are never 100 off me this time guys i know i assumed the fate of his own realm to presidents wait fray is brother yes cut from a different cloth that one fray is brother how was he involved long ago fear of the van here traveled to alphite when he discovered a once beautiful land devastated by war using his divine powers he set about cultivating a tenuous piece among the elves did you mention how that piece fell apart as soon as he left i was getting to it you hear that oh no that's enough please don't need to do this we don't want to hurt you it's a lie there are i have there are some additional things there are things i'm skipping over in this that we are going to raise at another time don't you worry there are okay once we get far enough in this i'll start going back in terms of comparing lines or stuff but also just other plans we're on a ragnarok right now it's going to take a while it's going to be at least two weeks so buckle in buckaroos seeing the lake of soul so volatile hi femblwinter you reckon of course making the light unstable um it's worth mentioning though of course that you got a distinct vibe there when mamiya was telling the story of freya it was quite positive and happy and wholesome and and it says that freya is a pretty awesome dude he used his power to make peace and tear is like super cynical about it like yeah do you tell him what happened next like gee um what's cool is we get another a telling of how freya made that piece at a different point in the game i'm not sure it'll be in this playthrough because that's part of a um a side mission i think right it's with freya explaining it i think it doesn't all time actually well that's the lake of souls yes after the creation of the nine realms the fallen souls began to gather down in those waters when the elves discovered its potential they built this temple to harness that energy a smashing success to see the least many of them became addicted to their newfound power and thus the light elves were born speaking of light elves let me try talking to them again they may just to let these two do their thing brother more light elves ahead i'll handle this maybe that's not a great idea oh there friends salutations we mean you no harm here get back one of the things funny about that clip is it makes it look like tia's like hello everybody we're friends that atreus just shoots one in the chest the thing is you fucked it up i thought i i was debating whether i should leave it in but it's just like they've already fired like a big old projectile atreus at that point i suppose i'll leave you to it that was violent here they come do what you must yeah i think it's pretty obvious what's happened over time there with the mist here yeah and this is a comparison of the music that plays when you're in alfheim in the first game into the second game feel like it's relatively suitable for dark versus light yeah yeah a theory okay there's quiet yeah i'm good stop screaming hit the button yeah i'm good would you say um well anybody here do you feel i think well mel you might be the only person i can ask right now but soundtrack comparison of the first to second uh i mean i think i'll go with the second one i think i would personally uh i mean the vote pretty darn great but i know ragnarok one has has like something that's just like even better i think he um as someone who's not musically trained it feels like there's more layers and detail to the ragnarok soundtrack and variety but that would make sense considering he's built upon his 2018 soundtrack that's what i was going to say it feels like he's developed a lot of the ideas that he had in the original in well in 2018 yeah and uh as was mentioned here the bolder theme is fucking awesome and it's not present in this obviously of course at least i don't think it is it might be for all i know i don't remember it i don't remember it yeah again oh i'm so fucking good i remember uh i remember gushing over this when i was watching it with rags because i noticed it then uh where it's the wall part the the the light elf theme is going going hard and it's clashing with the dark elf one because it's the big war and then fucking kratos' theme comes in like that yeah oh or rather just the vocals such a big old combination the power doesn't have anything close i don't i just repeat that i don't just said this is the the alphime theme it's not exactly going to be like how do i say this like it's not as important as many other themes like what what's kind of nuts is the the lower strings sound like they're playing almost a totally different song than the upper strings like the the kind of violins and violas are playing one thing and the cellos and basses are playing something else but it it fits well enough because it it's almost like the the higher end stuff is almost exactly double time so it fits with the rhythm of the slower deeper stuff that sounds like the kind of i don't know dark elf themes that they're bringing into the music i tried to sort of represent it kind of visually but the more you go through the game the faster and heavier the light elf theme gets which to me is addictive of how the dark elves become more important as you go along by the because you're destroying all the light crystals and you're not exactly creating a balance or anything but the dark elves sees an opportunity to attack when you've gone through and yeah the light elves yourselves which i don't know it just seems kind of genius very much inspired and uh for anybody who's like why are you attacking uh rings of power randomly it's like same creator same guy who made this yeah the same composer i don't feel like i'm attacking him so much as highlighting he just look at the power he has why yeah why didn't he just be working him on him both at the same time surely there's a good chance that would that would be the case yeah because it would have been a long long bit of work uh and i don't know it just feels like rings of power wasn't as um maybe maybe if we were to listen to rings of power over and over again and look at everything it was part of it is there's no storytelling shit to even interpret a lot of the time because rings of power is so fucking dull and thin because that's the thing it's like what what are the other creatives involved with the project giving him to write the score around like what what what's the inspiration that the music composer is given in order to you know like help have his music evoke the correct emotion for the scene that's going on at the time and if they're just like i don't know i'm like this aragorn looking guy like he's sauron but we're not going to say sauron right away but he's mysterious okay because like someone says like he must have known he could waste his time on rings of power it's like i don't know man he might have been he might have thought it was it was worthwhile but like i guess maybe it was like i said maybe it was just a paycheck maybe he's a lord of the rings fan no he would have done better if he was a lord of the rings fan no well i mean it's both of those things alone it's like okay amazon is going to give you a paycheck in order to write music for lord of the rings on paper like when you're in the negotiation for that you've got to be thinking well i mean i've got to do it right maybe he only performed as much as they were going to give him like so maybe they gave him enough to do it but it wasn't like oh they're not really paying me that much so you know you get what you give sort of thing maybe he didn't like the idea that they were doing lord of the rings like i think they he was actually pretty pro rings of power they're pretty sure he defended it pretty vehemently of him but words you know what you want to mean yeah uh on uh on social media i think sorry well i mean that kind of you can bring the argument then to the conscious and unconscious it's like well yeah i mean you could say that you you gave everything you had for rings of power but us just listening to the music that you created for both of those things let's put it this way clearly you were more inspired while making one of to stand from a bit more may well have just been that the time constraints for rings of power or the the uh how involved he was in like the production itself might be a factor i know that um marty o donnell was in-house for halo which he felt made it easier for him to understand what the uh what the game was about like what the moments would be and sort of working with the developers to ensure that the music was really complementing the game i i mean he is an in-house for Santa Monica uh but maybe they they just maybe how they allowed him to work which is better for him yeah maybe music that was more uh deeply connected to the storytelling on top of other things like that there was a story for him to actually latch on to characters thematic through lines you know there's alteration available to him that may well not have been present at all this might be um i wouldn't fault you for not being able to identify in rings of power i obviously i went through all of rings of power twice uh to make sure we had coverage i thought was very much accurate and so you know i'm saying this not just from casual perspective but when you're like oh make a theme for when they second time visit altheim's like well first thing he does is look at the old one and see if it's a matter of taking that one and adding to it or changing it according to what you think the vibe is of this one dark and light is already offering you a big old chance in terms of how you can represent that in the in the music secondly it's like what are the events like well they're going through this place and gradually destroying the light elves control over it because they need to get access to the light and that there's loads of locked doors on it so you're destroying the crystals so i feel like the music gets gradually more chaotic as it progresses and then of course this big war at the end as you're trying to leave it's like this pretty easy for them to clash the two together and to involve other themes he's got going in the in the song already meanwhile it's like make a theme for the dwarves it's like okay in rings of power so it's like make a theme for the dwarves like what do i got to work with it's like well uh they they mine um uh it's kind of difficult actually because like the whole plot line is bizarre for any character you choose in rings of power and it's just like what are you what are you gonna do and it's like because the funny thing is i picked that one because i actually kind of liked the dwarven theme he had in in rings of power but not for any other reason than it's like no i kind of like the sound i can't really speak to it much more than that and i'm sure he could i'm sure he'd have more to say about it considering he composed it but i don't know it just from a from a spectator it just seems like you have so much more to work with to inspire musical choices from the story in this than you would in rings of power yeah i mean fundamentally it feels like he had more to say through his music here yeah and as was mentioned in chat since he cared way more there is a song that was made by him and uh i want to say hoesia hoesia is the this is bozier bozier maybe yeah he's a big old artist um blood upon the snow which is supposed to be like a main song for this game and if you you can watch a video of them talking about it and they they sound incredibly invested in what the song means and this game pretty bitchin yeah do you think that anywhere else and fighting each other that prayer not abandon the realm a lasting peace may have formed but now can we really place all the blame on prayer this war started long before his arrival but he had the power to heal this land and end the war did he not he made his choice the wrong one well i'll find perhaps but not necessarily for him well i suppose we're all entitled to walk our own paths regardless of where they end what's wrong so yeah just uh big words from tear condemning the set out of freya for not doing everything he could to maintain a peace in alfheim pretty straightforward he he considers himself quite the diplomat he doesn't like that other people aren't taking more action to cause peace where they can perhaps there is another interpretation of that down the line who knows i say this because there are still several people in chat be like wait if they don't play the game it's like we played it got it yeah probably the game i played it twice we're consciously not talking about stuff that happens later on yes i could hear mother and but i can't anymore united by forces older than odin himself she is at peace atreus i hope so and father went inside the light he said he went inside the light of alfheim yes and yet here you stand of sound mind and decidedly not incinerated you must tell me kratos what did you see that memory well great gods are built you must tell me kratos what did you see oh tell me more it's a perfectly reasonable curiosity to have from any character okay perfectly reasonable really makes a lot of sense yeah um and i like that he says that memory is for me alone as well yep but i felt only moments pass wait come back no no what have you done why did you do that i saved you you are trapped in there i waited and i waited but you wouldn't come out so i pulled you out boy i was gone only so badass yeah it's like oh fuck yeah your kratos is good all right yeah you've been gone along again why don't you care just gonna say i love the first game as well yeah facts of health bodies you're just like oh fuck that's impossible the reason i'm showing this though is so you can see what happened what kratos said at the time and now i'll listen to what kratos remembers it as he'd go before they come back i hope you got what you needed didn't feel like moments to me i was trapped atreus overcame great odds to save me one could but only imagine yep well then ripped into him at the time because he didn't understand what was happening but now yep make sure to recant it as it was which is you saved me the it's just criticism a chore motherfucker okay he surely is now we're always triptych awaits so did you ever meet grower many times but she was plagued by constant vision so conversation was difficult to say the least your theme yeah mm-hmm it was her oh yeah i've been there she is gone boy speak no more of this father she's she's gone does sometimes feel like oh it's for you don't rime sometimes the scenes speak for themselves a like yeah pretty makes you appreciate that this isn't a video game this isn't a video game now i say it makes you appreciate that this is in a video game oh yeah i'd love this level of storytelling this level it would be nice to have this level of storytelling get off fucking films but oh wow that would be something it's almost like and why we get that next cut scene and character interaction ready for you how about you play this fun video game exactly and the keep moving line probably more addressing himself there i would think yeah the end of everything so this is it there's nothing we can do to stop it there must be a way why else is this hidden look here this is what we saw it's you fighting in ragnarok no i don't watch this net that's new asgard is destroyed the other realms thrive go a wide of course she did odin's working off a false prophecy so then we can win ragnarok we can beat odin we are not present in any of this but that was tear leading the charts against asgard plies hell's army was there and the elves champion okay whoever that is doesn't matter but for the first time we know something odin doesn't we just saw we can win tear i won't allow prophecy to define my choices but we just saw it no atreus this is wrong there is much to discuss so yeah tear has not taken the information well that he will have to lead a war that's that's the take on that scene that is the read that is yep that they'll see here pretty reasonable he does not want for violence he doesn't want to be involved in wars and he's certainly not keen on just going blindly and following prophecy makes a lot of sense mm-hmm i it's gonna be okay for anybody who because i feel like the context lacking here he's dragging this person this way because they have embedded in the clothing crystals that when uh near the like created elements of this temple create bridges so he's using it as a light source to create the bridge that's what's happening here okay tear you've seen what is to come i told you i would not follow you to war and yet here i am dragging an innocent innocent and marching towards the destruction of asgard what choice do we have there is always a choice i will not lead you to war yeah it's a really interesting line it's an incredibly interesting line feel like we're gonna see that line again much later in this uh breakdown i won't i'm not that god anymore i don't want to fight but with you three there is no avoiding it your path leads to countless deaths unimaginable pain and suffering he's just more and more references kratos is just fucking mrs fey big time yeah oh here it is sorry if you are ever in need of my services and i am not present i have installed these handy chimes for you to notify me simply throw your axe and strike the chimes and i will attend to your needs would you care to take a practice throw a magnificent throw master kratos truly a seasoned pro very well you know how to reach me now what else is there perhaps there was some confusion this is for calling me out here not for when i am here you just like hearing the sound of the chimes i suppose the sound very pretty master kratos feels very uncharacteristic of you but if you enjoy the pretty chimes that much i will allow you to indulge yes you've done it well bro ah the sound of the chimes is not un-painful at this distance so perhaps you could get off already here as it were so you're deliberately attempting to push me into some sort of emotional outburst aren't you well i'm not so easily swayed my good man out with your stupid chimes oh dear i'm sorry there you go oh dear i'll send the branches up here while nitho choose the roots from below to prevent overgrowth a delicate balance so they're friendly well they're not nearly so affable as myself but there's no reason to expect hostility so long as they're left in peace nitho is a stern matriarch as protective of her offspring as she is determined to teach them proper discipline that sounds familiar you know what he's putting in that so-called stew of his don't you vegetables fucking vegetables from out of the dirt that just ain't right that just ain't right careful thank you look at that our table isn't bigger yeah enjoy enjoy my friends we'll see about that here you are a male fit for a champion enough i said we would speak no more of that yes of course didn't mean to offend genuinely a straight-faced analysis you could possibly give this scene with this being all the context you have that's a really strange thing for him to say yeah yeah i thought you weren't keen on the prophecy stuff and leading into war and like that's weird like i get that you want to maybe give him a sense of pride about his potential future of being someone who's going to be important and strong and stuff but you know tier seems to understand better than anybody that we should be avoiding that outcome he seems very anti-war and that would be the context for him being a champion so bit of a weird thing to say uh i'm not offended it's just a word the word didn't cloud your judgment so you really don't think it means anything after the journey mom sent us on everything we saw in yuggenheim what was it all for don't you ever think about that every day if her purpose was to inspire you to take foolish risks but what if the giants are counting on me what giants but use the judgment of a man and not of a child but what if flokey going to ironwood it's the only way that oh atreus my son do you catch in the background when he says you are my son brock nods maybe you know true man uh yeah this this is better explained if i included all dialogue i haven't but there's every time atreus mentions the fate of loki or loki's job or what loki's supposed to do critters gets increasingly fucking annoyed yeah it's not that he doesn't want i'm chasing that i'm not hungry anymore forgive me kratos my words were chosen carelessly you really should eat some people swear by it on almost a daily basis i just don't even confuse you that cindy why is there all this stuff about loki and the champion and i oh yeah it's worth mentioning if anyone doesn't know the dwarves can teleport um so yeah cindy just appeared here like so the the way that we see him arriving but we don't see him arriving you know it's once once the player well once once atreus walks in front of the you know our view that's when they have him arrive yeah we can't see him arrive you really should eat some people swear by it on almost a daily basis i just don't understand why is there all this stuff about loki and and the champion and iron would have none of it's real he's just so mind if i give you the best advice you've heard all day and possibly ever sleep that's when all the troubles of your mind work themselves out sure fine sleep sounds great i mean it i do too get out of here already already gone yeah like it always kind of funny but it's a really big deal that you would put his hand on his shoulder the character what she's trying to get through to him yeah the way you moved away with his hand almost like it's contaminated right he's like gotta go sort this out now anyone who ever said cindy being a germaphobe is pointless well oh it's not i get sick that's the point come on we on to that oh boy seatbelts on chat just knowing our gods makes me feel so much stronger it's all you ever talk about over and over still something about it or shut operate little people's little problem we're sick of hearing about little people's little problems memories and not nice ones you broke the gate that was the only way to you know what do you want i don't understand whatever whatever don't run off whatever can you tell me where i am whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever will you stop you should pay for what he said about mother but we're gone we can do whatever we want please please wait please please stop someone just said it's so weird hearing his young voice so well i think you can find this on my stream when i started up and you first hear atreus i think someone in chat was like not a fan of uh older atreus voice that i have to like 10 minutes who are like no it's fine actually bring it back bring it back it's just like a matter of like what the hell that's not a trace like no yeah that's how voices work okay yeah people go through puberty it's weird i feel like this whatever part is almost a little bit of a meta joke from the depths if you think oh the whatever part yeah definitely during that section so many times it's a i i would argue it's a part of what's not very good about that a section it's a couple of things that aren't working but one of them is that he keeps fucking saying whatever whatever the whole point is in that moment in the game when kratos tells you to shoot things he's like i don't have to listen to you you know so they're like i know we'll make him say whatever i'll shoot you know whatever but you end up having him fucking say whatever like ten thousand times so many times trance is pretty dick arc so yeah it feels like the kind of reference they get there a self roast as they someone put it yeah and this is the uh the yotenheim track oh and it's worth mentioning sorry for people who aren't following he we do want to get told what the mechanics are but it's basically as simple as when giants sleep they're able to essentially teleport to places that they focus on bear in mind as far as we know he is the only giant that's left outside of yorman gander i suppose the only human oh yeah it goes far saying it's pretty fairy taley yep and if humanoid is two legs and two arms suddenly i'm not don't worry we'll count you we're inclusive i'm not i'm not don't include me i don't think i noticed that sound that music at all i was playing how do i what i will say is that so some people are asking how i how i did this is as simple as going from the soundtrack and putting in where i like estimate and where i think a lot of the tracks ended up but um to be fair this isn't necessarily the track that plays here it's just a place i thought would be suitable to show off yeah yotenheim one for example the freya one that i did at the beginning that was a match of one to one to finding where it actually fits but uh this one yeah i think you can play the game in such a way that it just only plays the music and that's how you can do it that way but i didn't play it that way i'm not finished with it yet the pain is made from the bark of the ironwood trees they absorb the memories of the forest so that the paint remembers to memories of the past of the future i'd hate to get blood on really you you know who i am what's wrong i've been waiting my whole life for this moment you look weirder than i imagine oh sorry kind of damn it i'm already messing this up it's just you're the first person that i've talked to and very long time and weird can be good thanks i'm angoboda you must have a lot of questions uh yeah follow me and so angoboda's introduced is everyone okay everyone all right i'm fine you're alive you have a heart attack i don't know i honestly didn't have any issue what's issue might a person have oh well theo you hate everything you must fucking despise angoboda theo tell us about why angoboda is evil evil well i don't know well i don't know well i do know but i you know i don't want to be uncharitable you know well yeah let's start with the most charitable and i think accurate arguments man this part is boring yeah it's a rather dull we don't get a lot of developments over the time that we have i will of course have included the developments and we're going to talk about them but it takes a while to get through this section yeah it's actually it's just too long it achieves things for the story but the amount of time it takes to achieve them is it's drawn out it's a long fucking section it's a long section yeah and it's actually includes a lot of the sort of annoying low interaction kind of gameplay scenarios right like a fruit from a tree and you do that now get back on the yak and then go over to the other one and grab it like it's it's uh it breaks the loop like the core gameplay loop for a while and if you're gonna be breaking a core gameplay loop you need to do it ease us into it a little better like having kratos pick a flower once in god war 218 is kind of funny right it's you don't you don't have to fucking people still blew their minds of that they're like how could you have you call this a god war games like it happens in like for one minute he just goes and grabs a flower it's kind of funny uh yeah you're gonna make it especially if you know about that deleted being dare I say of what chrisman judge says while doing it's funny but uh yeah doing you know about that let's check that out yeah well okay so i mean they're recording that scene and she says go get me some lambscrest and he says all right like starts leaving walking out and chris just says lambscrest i'm the fucking god of war it's brilliant um the problem here is that like as much as I can argue we draw a decent chunk out of this I can't justify a movie's worth of time with what we get out of yeah that's ridiculous yeah that's one or two hours right it takes it takes I want to say i'm trying to be fair i think the average person's rushing through it it'll be an hour and a half but if you try to collect everything it'll be two hours I mean for me it might have just been the difficulty I was playing on that like I time has no meeting as far as like amount of time I spent in each area but this was the first place where one of the kind of Joss Whedon s-cumor lines like MCU things happened in a particularly difficult battle well I'll tell you why because when you die the pattern between the characters when you're fighting it's not dynamic it's canned so I heard hey maybe I'm just lucky now you're not lucky maybe you're just low-key about 500 fucking times I died a lot in that battle and every single time she says it right okay I completely agree with you but I will say sorry what is the lighted avengers that is like that you know like no okay I'm not saying it's something that Joss Whedon right I'm saying it's something I know it came across that way I wasn't even defending Joss Whedon I was defending avengers because people are like oh Marvel Huber it's like there's loads of Marvel movies with really good humor what do you mean well I mean yeah I know and like you know honestly that line hearing it once isn't terrible like it's yeah a little bit funny I guess if it's like maybe I'm just lucky it's like your name kind of rhymes with the word lucky sure but when you hear it more than 10 times honestly it's just like oh god angribo to please stop yeah for the yeah the the dialogue between them isn't exact it's like some of the weakest any two characters have as an interaction like when you have I think this I just think this is the case when you have a small section with Atreus and Sindri it's a bit of a gamble you don't have Kratos it's like so how is this going to work it's like well is Sindri developed enough and is Atreus developed enough to keep us going for the amount of time they're going to cost us and I think they were successful we learned quite a decent bit about Atreus's goals what were how he feels about Sindri and vice versa and then something about Sindri and Brock and more about how they've been doing this for a while and we got Freya it's like that was that was pretty solid but you know there is an amount of time that that scene could take where eventually people would be like this is going on a little too long with my Kratos give me back my Kratos and I will say when you get Kratos back after Ironwood it is one of the most like yes like yes thank fuck that um I wouldn't justify that at any way ship of formers are sort of like oh it's good for that feeling it's like no that's just a relief of this being over it's a relief I gotta say though I was impressed with how much I enjoyed playing as Atreus I didn't think it would be as much fun as it was a lot of people hate playing as Atreus I really see I didn't hate it I don't think it's hate worthy I think it's just no it's not probably fine you don't have as many options as when you're playing as Kratos yeah it's not terrible I still think he's better than like playing as Ali in Last of Us and I don't even mean Last of Us 2 I'm talking about the both like yeah you know he's comparable because they're both bow users but like uh with some extra abilities and melee attacks but I still feel like there's more going on for him than there was for her in fact he has a dedicated skill trait for his abilities that you can develop over the course of sections and it has a bit of crossover with the skill tree that like you can select abilities that are the player character Atreus abilities that carry over to when he's the companion character for Kratos to like the Russian ones and stuff and I thought that was kind of cool I was like oh that doesn't make sense if you're gonna make us play as a thin and more dull version of Kratos with slightly different mechanics like the range shit going on but I don't know if it's different enough that you can't do it for too long you're gonna have to be careful we can only sustain so much before we're like why am I not playing as Kratos give me back and this by the way that was Freya's section right the Freya's section did it fine yeah the Freya's section was kind of the model I think for how to go about it especially the let's call it the fourth Atreus section I think is probably a pretty solid one as well but uh second and third I think they're the ones that are targeted the most for taking too long third by a much lesser extent this one is hardcore hated by everybody yeah this this one has like one or two places where it was like oh now we're going back right and it's like no we're still going okay yeah you can you can see that the second play through I was like okay we're done here now right and it's like oh no wait this is a whole other section still fuck me and now what is the third Atreus scene take place is is that well I can type it for now yeah okay while again from what you choose to do if you tell me it's a spoiler I know I mean it's technically a spoiler I'd like the idea of trying to maintain some level of build up for people who haven't played this before you know and who are listening to this we can uh like uh the frustration of this section in terms of how long it is is alleviated by just splitting it in half or three I I have finished my opinion on this it is split into threes delete one and keep two and refine the two with pieces of one so we have this this done in two and I think the first one should have happened really early on and he can't tell whether or not it was actually just all a dream right and then the second one confirm at the beginning this ain't a fucking dream this is a thing you can do I'm angry voter blah blah blah get all the information out that we we had but you know built on the the first one that he thought maybe wasn't real uh spending nearly two hours here is unacceptable I'm sorry yeah it's way too long too long too boring and yeah uh I think there was three significant moments that are all separated by about 20 to 30 minutes in my stream where I was just like ah there we go that's the natural end back to creative it's like no man even if you if you as we already said even when you rush through it you already know what's going to happen that still takes over an hour well consider the first time you control atreus when you're going to meet Freya right that is a very interesting character interaction that the player is legitimately excited to get to and see and so when you don't really have an idea of where things are going it makes it a lot more difficult for you to sit through what would be generally considered less engaging gameplay in order to get there well yeah you're not quite sure where it's all leading to because you just don't know much about angry voter like and what what her role is in the story whereas yeah like with Freya you know exactly like what's happening there I don't know if you can actually sort of estimate and guess as to how she'll respond but like here you don't know angry voter yet like you don't really there's not much to speculate on really you just kind of waiting to see what happens and hoping that it will be worthwhile or rather worth the time that you have to spend just doing fairly mundane things in the game to get to those moments yeah those are the music tries too hard to carry allow it to do that please allow it to try too hard yeah it's we need it I wish the music carried wings of power oh yeah um this is where I genuinely wonder if they understood that the amount of interactivity given to you here it just isn't enough to carry it it's weird that you have low interactivity low like chemistry and low like I guess engagement like all the same time like why would you if you're gonna have like a moment where the mechanics are more limited you might want to have a crank up in terms of interaction that's that's but instead you gave us like Atreus which we do like him but with a brand new character who's nice girl that's like a whole thing no offense we'll get into more of a character in a moment uh it's just that that's that's what we got is if this were Atreus and Sindri in Ironwood it could probably alleviate a lot of the stresses of a lack of pacing because you talk more about things we're actually interested in throw Brock in through whoever I don't know the story wise that doesn't work anywhere near as well but of course I'd be talking about maybe redoing all of this right I wonder maybe they thought that it was carried that this section would be carried simply because it's going to reveal a bunch of information about the giants I think so it was more also more relevant than character driven that's what I'm saying about like of all the information we get I think it buys it's this is so subjective but I feel like it buys it about 40 minutes at absolute maximum like with what we get in terms of information that's probably as much as you could have gotten well justifying that amount of time but I think the next person might say like no no 10 minutes and the next person's like I think an hour you know it's really difficult to talk about pacing yeah it's just that it seems to be an incredibly common experience from people that this was horribly paced so no way they couldn't have given you more to do like meaningfully to do there's no way or just split it up have his have his dreams be these little almost like intermission segments in between the Kratos parts a little bit here a little bit there a little bit here or like um maybe because during the section when you're using the act to get to all of these different locations probably would have just been better off to have that be like a big open space that you could explore at your own pace and find like interesting things just give just give players a little bit more interactivity yes that's very on rails that section yeah when you have a game where you are leveling up a character building their skills and really starting to invest into a particular character then every moment that you have to play the game not as that character that you invested in it can feel like you feel like you're we're wasting time you know that that's time that i'm not having in a character that i haven't yeah part of it i think i know there's plenty of people who disagree with this but part of what makes it so jarring to me is how strong everything was at first in terms of rich for development like i'm getting so much you know it's a decent comparison we have tear as a new character and he's not exactly the most interesting person on the surface he seems to be quite passive and afraid and anti-action of a lot of kinds so it's like how do we make him interesting it's like well we're going on an adventure to a place where we had an effect many years ago and we're seeing the results of it with characters like Kratos, Mamiya and Atreus and then they're telling stories of what they did and they're getting information back from tear about his reactions like we're building tear up by attaching him at the hip to all of these characters we love it's like that's a really good way to get us on board with a new character um because i think i said this on stream i can't remember but um you know when Brock first arrives in 2018 i could see people being like oh who's this guy is always the joke that he's just fucking you know rude okay but once you spend enough time with any new character he becomes someone who can help a new character into the game if we had Brock and one random new character like um Lundra right is always it lunda lunda um his interactions with her make her easier to start to like because you know there's an attachment there it's just that yeah uh there's nothing they made several bad choices here in terms of strategy for getting players to be engaged do i say mentally this is not and to the point where because this is all the attack i'm going to start defending this sequence now um because i don't i don't think it's worthless the dare you the shitty pacing has gotten it to the point where most people don't even know what happened in ironwood they don't they just they just want to scrubbed from their memory even though it does achieve some things narratively we're going to go through them and a pace that matches the uh the rest of the game that's all well yeah because of the fact that i'm chopping this up for what i think is the most valuable we will get i think around about half an hour of visuals of this place and and dialogue we have lots to talk about and that's the stuff that probably that's that's how much they should have shaved it but oh well yeah you've gotten that bell I'm excited to target that thank you thanks where are we going my mother recorded her visions their prophecies but you might like to see them where are your friends they're not around are they i know you have a lot of questions but not this one okay i'm sorry race you across huh what go uh okay raise this bullshit she cheats it's rigged women be cheating wonder who he is but weirdly I meant to edit in that she beats you on that I don't know why I must have deleted that clip oh well she beats you but she cheats ridiculous yeah she knows the way already she was way ahead and then you yeah like she cuts in little big madness but actually it's teleported well but atreus says it's true she says to the amulet I think and he gets there first and then she says at the top that's the end and he's like boy what the fuck no that that wasn't the then she's already gone so yeah cheat cheat more all the story don't trust women no very yeah very true oh and as with knowing yeah the prophecy that says kratos will die atreus has no knowledge of that right now and this is right him seeing this panel that was in yotunheim but he didn't see it no no it's not right that can't be what happens we've got another version of the son's path am i going first person now to train enhance the panic element no no not anymore though this isn't real ironwood's not real yutun guard's not real none of this is real hey hey whoa whoa you're okay it's all all right it'll be okay my dogs are both sniffing my headphones are there tiny other dogs in there yeah i can hear them you cannot hide them from me they're very confused by the ground are the dogs are you not telling me about it's okay you're fine don't worry about it it happens to everyone that happens to everyone not the wolf part but getting scared about your future that cannot be my future it says i serve odin and my father dies there's just no way look this is the only way things turn out the sooner you accept that the better when she said that on my stream i was like no no but yeah she's uh she got triggered by the suggestion that he would alter his future she seems to have a very different view on this a very different perspective on prophecy i will say it's having atreus so it is really useful in a story to have characters have access to different information because then it just gives you more opportunities for subtext up until this point we've had the subtext really of kratos' interactions with atreus pertaining to like prophecy and everything with something that he knows that atreus doesn't now atreus knows it but he knows it you know and kratos doesn't know that he knows and so like from this point on word there's a new dynamic to their conversations about prophecy and what's gonna happen of ragnarok because i mean you know it's safe to say he's gonna keep this from him yeah well that comes up a little bit later yes oh shit that was mean to forget about that now forget the future forget loki you're a giant and you're clearly coming into some powers that you don't understand yet come on let's take a walk you can help me with something and i'll teach you you know giant stuff no i'm good come on it was uh funny enough i think it was soon after the this section that i checked the map and i was like uh oh there's lots of places we haven't gone yet where did you say we were going we need to collect some fruits if we follow the river we should find some these flowers over there silence i okay no that's what they're called they only grow in yoten hunt my mother and i used to take naps in them when my grandma and her fought it was one of the only places she found peace listen i know we're out here having fun at all but maybe we should talk about what you saw in the mural what i saw would never happen i wouldn't join odin if it cost me my father if i learned anything from my mother it was that these things have a way of coming true one way or another i learned from my father to close your heart to it but i can't not for this hey what's this one i painted that one with grandmother minor pet peeve if you're gonna have him recording a line where in one of his lines he's jumping up and clam bring on to something maybe have that inflect in the voice just to add which sometimes they do sometimes they do not uh yeah trying to remember yeah the one that comes to mind is actually in 2018 it's when he asks kratos what his powers are and kratos pushes on the um the ore to push the boat out and he goes i do not know what the strength that you know and it's just like oh that's neat yeah but yeah they didn't there i guess it's because the fact that you need to call record two versions right one where you he didn't climb and one where he does not here we're fighting feels weird when i changed like i'm not in control do you need to be what do you feel when you change of course she'd say that because of her anger destiny yeah i was going to say that could be like we should probably say more so she's clearly very much like the control of your life is not in your hands it's in the world's hands so to speak like it's it's happening already so she believes like your idea of controlling and deciding is actually bad you should be more um go on the rails that are set and uh yeah so the idea that he's like how do i control the wolf is she's gonna have a very different point of view on how that works part of you unleash the wolf with that anger maybe you just need to find the part that will guide it how you can fight with all sorts of emotion in your heart not just rage if rage lets it out another might help you stay you which uh yeah from that point on the wolf becomes your rage mode and yep better you so obviously the idea here being that you're not going to release it just when you're angry you'll release it in the hopes that you can defend either yourself or other people that's going to play into a lot of the big moments that he brings them out in future oh what's that soul in your mind the what the there's there's a soul inside your knife did you not know that no who's soul you know maybe you should keep it where it is until you figure that out how did i don't just go around stealing people's souls bring the wolf Loki but under your control i have something for you that was really awkward i try i try and fade them a bit better than that uh for something else by the way that happened i thought that the rock skipping thing was so incredibly pointless if all it was going to do is be like surprise draw go yeah but um turns out i don't know if you did this well you can do it so well that you uh get a resource wait really yeah you have to nail i thought i was nailing it especially because it's unclear and the dialogue seems to suggest you are doing it well if you do it really well she's like excellent or something like that and it's like oh i did it but i had a curiosity i was like am i doing it as best as i can and then i did it apparently perfectly it skips all the way over to one of those uh seashell things and it opens it up and it drops a thing into the water you could pick it up okay yes i was legit like oh that makes more sense like yeah i was just bored beyond shit at some points like i just thought it was silly like you wasted my time i don't care about fucking skipping rocks especially when the controls are hold right trigger let go of right triggers like come on yeah but you don't have any indicator if you're doing better or worse now really they it depends it gives you one skip two skip three skips four skips five skips i think so the more skips the better you're doing i mean yeah i mean just like real life but you know so i think it's still pretty good with the controls oh you can use the bow to hit the shells too see i didn't even know that yeah you can i tried that on my second life because i i saw those shells was like oh i don't know how to get those because i'm on this yak thing so i can't shoot and i was like i'll probably come back with kratos or something which you don't but you know i should have taken that as a lesson that the stone opened them up but i'm sorry not a true gamer big gamer i knew it big game or should i be scared no uh i uh don't have anything for you if it is true what do you think i should do doesn't matter there's no changing where you end up you can try whatever you want to avoid it but it'll happen anyway you're telling me nobody has ever changed their faith ever i mean sure maybe some details change but the endpoint remains the same it's better to walk your path and to struggle against it there's some better to walk your path and struggle against it um yeah there's just a line about fate that we really haven't had for anybody else so far and it's weird because it sounds like it's come out of a bad guy rather than a good guy but she really does believe this and we get more on why soon enough yeah she talks she definitely doesn't seem at all frustrated about it certainly not yes she almost it feels like it's just that's that's how we live that's it's nothing wrong nothing right it's all that's just it is um it doesn't seem like something you're excited about just means we're coming up to the end what does that mean you'll understand once we get there this way we're coming up on the valley of the phone what happened to them they were tired of living in fear of asgard so they hid left a pile of corpses to confuse odin should he ever find a way into yotinheim where they hide we'll see oh more marbles wait you've seen these before not these but i found a few in midgar where inside your mother's murals but that's they're more out there what are they these are the giants they could stay in yotinheim waiting for odin to find a way in to slaughter them or they could how right my father helped whisper their souls into these and before he died he passed them on to me how they are your responsibility are you sure that's what my mother saw you're supposed to know what to do with them when the time comes this is a lot of responsibility it is and it's all yours hey you okay yeah yeah no i'm just i'm done i guess now that i've given you those my pardon all this is over you could always come with me we could fight odin together i was supposed to fight alongside you i wouldn't disappear from your damn nero halfway through something on your mind nobody believed this place was real so yeah uh with mentioning just that's how extreme a position is on this that she believes like she's clearly upset by the fact that she doesn't have to do anything else now when it's like which is weird i she teed him up for a really solid pickup line he'd be like well what if you do come with me um the the obvious conclusion that i think most people draw is like wait but if there's no thing telling you what to do that's that means you can do anything because i can do whatever you want right exactly yeah it seems that like now i'm i'm free from my destiny's fulfilled it's done anything that happens now it it's all me it's it's it like i'm finally i that that that would explain why we why she might be so glad that he arrives oh finally i'm gonna be free of destiny you know i can get out i can escape i'm done now everything's on me someone said she's apparently putting a lot of trust in a kid she just met so the idea here is that she so fully believes in prophecy that if it said like you must cut off your own foot she'd start doing it yep it's it's to do with her family they we go into this a little bit more soon enough but uh the giants and certainly her portion of it uh believes so hard in the visions that they would see them and then try their best to make everything about them happen um obviously a very different perspective than a lot of the characters that we're familiar with and yeah she's having this rage sort of of like i'm you i'm like worthless i don't have anything to do now that's that's my input yeah like what is my purpose you know what's my purpose when yeah that's the thing she she may need some pieces put together and maybe a character is going to provide them for her i think i think it's just um you could say it two ways oh what am i going to do now like as i'm excited because now that i've finished my obligations here i can go pursue my own path versus a much more deflated like all right what am i meant to do now what's the point yes i'll die i'll die um so is it more or we'll explain why the writing is bad let's watch i'm not sure exactly what you're referring to i do have an issue with something that's coming up but it's not with her characterization necessarily uh i don't know if anyone else does let me know uh i think it's a bit of a missed opportunity but i think well i to be okay go ahead like what specifically i think that we could have had a better opportunity to see i guess it i get this idea that she's free from destiny her can like more of a strong opinion regarding you know concepts of free will and fate and if you can even make any sort of choices um i don't know i it doesn't quite it doesn't hit me this character it doesn't quite gel i don't think um i don't have any specifics i suppose well i guess the thing is is that there's a scene that's coming later that i think is pretty relevant in terms of tying into this part of the story atreus did ask her like can we make at least little changes and then she's like yes you can but ultimately pointless you could always stick to the road you're given sort of thing but her premise is that like hey now that my part in the prophecy is over like i might as well like her plan is to just carry on looking after the wildlife but she finds that's so lame in terms of it's not that she doesn't enjoy doing that it's just that i don't have a role to play in a story that the whole world is involved with she's resigning to be a sad bored person for the rest of her life essentially yeah which is because the culture she's grown up in that you accept what you're given that uh you know maybe we'll we'll see a bit more see if there's any other thoughts people have they're gonna be so surprised okie you can't tell anyone about ironwood not even your father the biggest thing keeping this place safe is that odin is not looking for it my words can keep the wildlife at bay but if asgard ever came looking i get it i'm sorry i won't tell anyone perfect hey you keep secrets better than elrond killed the flower yeah that guy sucks i it's a gift thanks but uh you keep it i thought he was just hypersimping when he when he did that but i forgot the there's a line earlier that she says she has a gift for him and he says i don't have anything for you and so that's why yeah that yeah just a little bit better he's still hypersimpy in this sequence yeah and and i said on stream when i stabbed by it i know you can't have like a cindy of this seed but i'd love the idea of him picking a flower trying to give it to her he fails he looks down to the camera pans over and you get anyone from kratos to a mere to cindy to brock's reaction to it it would be great just like that's pathetic man fucking loser yeah like it would be so much fun compared to this sort of just hitting is like okay all right and yeah i'll give him space i know it's the first girl he's properly interacted with i get it i understand twitter paid it yeah it's it's you know it's yeah first girl what did you thank god it's a girl no the other realms i live in a wooden hut with my dad you know i thought learning my destiny would change something by the way i just chopped out like fucking 20 minutes yeah this is kind of like the most superfluous like part of the iron wood it's like holy shit you did not need to do that is she's collecting paint stuff it's like yeah you could have just had the dialogue and we walked back you didn't have to do this but i'm still just me was it like that for you you're always still going to be you loki it's about coming to terms with it and you've come to terms with it i thought so i'm not what i said before you know about your paintings they're really good are you trying to cheer me up yeah is it working ask me again well damn time who was that cryla she what's wrong with it i can't feel anything there's nothing to feel grila whispered it's all the way you know where she lives what are you gonna do i've buried enough wolves this winter follow me if we run into grila please don't do anything drastic why she's my grandmother what she wasn't always like this and she learned my father wouldn't do anything to avert his fate she changed i see it a lot of giants live here over time you want to know that your mother she lived this entire life before she had but i don't know anything about it i think it's incredibly weird i think you brought this up ranks when we were checking out how did it take that long for him to ask about his mom that's actually a good point yeah like it's been i has it's it has it been over an hour of this place now oh yeah yeah yeah we've been here a little while um obviously i'm chopping it up so it doesn't quite feel that way but yeah it just is really odd that like he would have only now been like leading to talking about his mom when this is the most information you could ever have access to about her life before him so i don't know anything about her your mother left the path of the giants way before i was born so grila what does she need animal souls for anyway she can live moments from their lives finally feel free the wind in their fur as they run now thanks hit the camera only worries being what to hunt and we're to sleep but it's not okay hey we know my future and it doesn't involve us getting killed by your grandma not how it works but it does though so well i find that line pretty interesting it just shows there's a there's a gap in her own thinking that she's not really considered yet the fact that it is in stone but and also not in stone it's like so it's not in stone it can't be both yeah i there's like if he was if he was pressing on stuff like this harder if there was when she says you know you could do you could change little things but not big things like well what about don't a lot of little changes lead to big things you know how come you know we'll address the line why can't you know why can't we really push that and really been more insistent like no no no really just come with me right now we can go let's go come on right now it's not exactly the best test but you know if if someone is prophesied to be like the king of blah blah blah and there so i was like i could just kill them right now i could just do that i could just shoot this guy in the head right now because it seems like a big event change doesn't it there's not much more we can do their girls would skin it and piss inside is it weird hold this because he's a weird fraud what are you didn't have a least favorite giant did you what it's at this point i went into conditions we'll let it we'll let it finish first right let it play out so we have every reference we need this one no you can't your mother said i'd know what to do with these yes eventually i just gave them to you i know but you can't hide forever right and we can't just leave it here to die are you sure no i actually don't know how to do this part magic paper clip together then thank you that's it where's it going that even work i think that's enough um so that's your maganda i don't consider that a spoiler that's how he's made me it's um i think i'll start with a compliment i appreciate that they couldn't have Loki's son be a snake or something but this interpretation makes way more sense in terms of how that could come about the soul whispering and all that shit um everything else not a fan i don't know why he would have decided to do this it's this is fucking bizarre and i hate it this is so many weird questions and just all kinds of stuff i am so for anybody who's a little confused right all the giants in order to hide from odin uh had one of the giants whisper their souls into these marbles for safekeeping i don't know what it's like to live inside a marble they never tell us in terms of what it means what it feels like a pokeball yeah maybe it's constant stasis you never actually feel anything or maybe you're just sitting and they're looking around in a bag like man this is boring i don't know like but they understand them to be people and they and and lookie atreus he's feeling pretty bad that you got these soulless people the things we're walking around and so he's like i know a bodiless soul in a soulless body yeah but it's like but these are these are people he's a giant yeah these are uh these are the these are essentially your your kin they're trapped they're waiting to be given a body so that they can essentially live a normal life again and and what appears to be on a whim you found some soulless snake in some random person's house hanging around literally and you're like you know what i'm gonna put the soul of one of my people into this snake body and you know what makes it really bad before you even highlight all the reasons why you should not do that is that he's clearly aware he said who's your least favorite giant exactly this can be punishment for the person that like ruins it yeah you can't rely on him being naive or thinking this was the best thing for he he knows it's not a necessarily good decision you cannot gamble with someone's life just because you're curious about what will happen next and this hurts the both of them because she should be vehemently opposed to this she has a slightly more excuse in that she can be crazy with prophecy shit and he he argues he's doing what he's prophesied to do and so she's like even then we should explain like you this is that you're putting the soul of one of our people into that snake it's going to be living as a snake when it was like one of us earlier would you want to be living as a snake randomly like don't you think we i gave these to you 15 minutes ago maybe fucking chill so instead of hate being a snake no arms can't even choke the chicken you get coil yourself up the right way i don't know they probably have an equivalent of snakes but yes it's very very odd and i just don't get it and and by doing this atreus's reaction is basically like i fucked up you got you take the giant god damn it and i'm just like we don't even what what were you hoping for that the snake would just be like hello there thank you so much for releasing me i appreciate it you have three wishes and also why why only the snake what about the other animals you just saw were they not cool enough oh and i get a soul from you well because he considers what he does here kind of a mistake he regrets it immediately because the snake doesn't talk to him i guess he doesn't know what he's done and it's just like i don't know why you did what did you want to say i just oh my god what the fuck is happening i wear my arm am i a am i a snake you made me a snake why did you do a snake what the fuck put me back in the pokey box i'm so i'm like your body looking done back from so far oh god why would you remind me it's so horrifying um but the uh yeah so the thing about this is obviously people like well i'd be just better than being in a bobble is isn't it it's like i have no idea and either distraeus you don't know that yeah if if you could whisper one out or you could speak to one that's been in there and they say yeah it's a horrible experience then you can maybe use that as a motive to do this but you don't have that as far as we know they're chilling there uh so yeah i think this needed way different sets of mechanics to justify why these two would make this decision i think if you gave me the choice between hey live with no arms and no legs or be asleep i'd i'd be like yeah and sleep especially it's like the the the could you even speak with a snake's mouth no i mean he speaks that like norse part yeah so small so it'd be like yeah so i just i want it highlighted though i don't think anybody should be like i i'm pretty sure i prefer being a snake than a marble or i prefer being models it's like no we just don't know and neither did these characters in fact they thought there's a risk of it being really bad and that's the problem now being a being a marble sounds pretty nice man i feel like you're just like on pause like if you don't have a you know it feels like the body needs a soul for it to be you know essentially effective so you wonder like does the soul need a body to also be essentially effective are you on pause and like you're you're just on standby mode until you're reunited i assume i quite uh the soup chat just came in relevant is the the giants went into pokeballs to avoid the asia the asia still around like you haven't we haven't quite solved that problem yet yeah but they're looking for giants they're not looking for random snakes but they end up fighting yeah but yeah well should have told him you were a giant idiot snake marble blast ultra on the xbox 360 they have an equivalent on steam and i love it yeah being a marble would be okay man that's all right fine i agree i'd rather be a marble but as long as you can bounce and jump and then platforms appear in all levels and stuff that'd be great but yeah yeah uh not not cool not a fan of this moment for either of them good point that's funny i never even thought about that scene because i was just happy when everything was over you could watch my stream i'm like uncomfortable when this happens i'm like uh it's over that do you think about this one because uh there's always the chance when it comes to a story that's got a lot of intentional writing that something will come along or something could change or maybe a character that you trust and take to be literal in what they say could turn out to be a completely different character or something like just for instance like a hypothetical uh so you need to wait until maybe you get all information but you're giving up already they're your responsibility not that it's not i just think they're better off with you yeah i'm low for one right now even remember in the moment which is gonna kill him no because we're going to stop her but you just stopped me stopping her so i don't know what you're yeah but an ironic actual point to be made here is that hey this isn't prophesized angrobota what you're doing this isn't any shrine just not well yeah a snarkier character would be like oh were you prophesized to stop me or tell me what plans in the prophecy yeah that's the thing right because like she at first doesn't want anything to do with this and then she's gradually invested by like the idea of stopping from killing innocent creatures and now she's like okay something should be done because this isn't right like that's an interesting pov maybe that should take over whether or not it's prophesized i told you never to come back here that's right look at me so many things i've forgotten and you refuse to be one of them just didn't ever do for anybody was it your mom yes listen okay i'd rather listen to the conversation than save an innocent creature so that's what we're going to be dealing with for a second the most fun she's had in a while like ah finally punching small children another variation of a son's path yeah help but except they're definitely gunning for a fairy tale aesthetic and with the music as well now especially with this this giant person had used to be a giant was a cauldron yeah magic cauldron if you're gonna have this anywhere is like yeah iron wood seems like it was trying to build up something like that yeah with drugs yeah you sure it's all right to leave her here what if she comes out looking for she used to leave me food she'd say she didn't care about me but sometimes i'd wake up and i'd see a loaf of bread sitting next to the fire just make just the way she always used to she's not a monster you know you want to walk so everyone in chat is saying cringe i'm very confused i'd like to hear some arguments go for it yeah i think it's a his story thing but i don't know i i don't see anything like i only noticed that because the subtitles were on i didn't notice that on my own i think i think it's two of uh that's what something that yeah but like it's because i'm seeing people say like actually calling her a side character bad writing it's like the point is she's insulting her by saying that she doesn't matter that she is a side character just gunning for insecurities this is what she's insecure about that's what she is specifically upset about wonder who might know these things if you remember like we even found that um that she drew herself with her grandmother they would spend a lot of time together as a reference to how there's lots of arguments her mom and her grandmother would get into the grandmother thinks prophecy is bullshit and that you should just try and live every day as it comes because life is pain uh but every other giant basically was like no no no live based on whatever the visions say and that angrobota clearly even from a young age was always incredibly sad and disappointed that she didn't have anything to do beyond help low key that that was her last plot plot point of his story give him information and so grandmother knew that and first she's like get the fuck out and then she's like wait i know i can use your insecurity against you you are fucking nothing you're just a chapter in his story you'll never matter no one's ever gonna care about you and uh it works right because that's the kind of thing that she takes seriously it's for the thing that would dig into a personality and the grandmother knew that you just destroyed a crack cauldron she wants some revenge so like as much as i can understand why someone might be triggered i would say it's a it's a false alarm like they're using reference to what your story is in reference to how you see your story unfold in visions it's not like making a meta reference if the dialogue was low key story instead of his story would that make it better why would that matter because apparently people seem to be getting they're having a reaction to the his story but isn't he a guy in reference to the word history though like i was just like calm down i guess well i know and like i mean that's kind of what i'm thinking though so like i mean my point is that if it changes if the dialogue was you'll just be a chapter in low key story if that changes your reaction to it then it's not really it's not really the intention of this sentence it's the it's a fluke of the wording you know what i mean like i'm trying to shine some light on them though right look at the word same sentence yeah you know his story and low key story are exactly the same sentence yeah i know i i'm 100 like i 100 agree i'm just saying that to the people in chat who are bothered by the wording of his story and think it's cringe if the wording was low key story would that change your opinion if the answer is no it's like okay well then you just you think that it's bothersome because of the intention of the sentence where angrobot is a chapter in the character atreus slash low key story whereas the i think people are reacting to the cringe aspect being the meta history being the you know his story i don't want something better than that is like i'm trying to i'm reading a couple of responses some people saying like well it's just fucking boring the whole sequence it's like okay we can see that it's boring but i need more on why it's like but some people saying the delivery was cringe like i mean it's an exasperated giant angry grandmother i don't i don't know it seemed about on point i i don't especially um the lady playing angrobot i thought her face is pretty strong as she was walking away shows how much it means to her and i quite like the part where she just starts she into like cuts off atreus to just start talking about how much she loved her grandma once upon a time yeah and what's happened since because she she knows it's obviously upset her but she knows what's happening she's lashing out she's upset and so she's digging at her just trying to basically target her insecurities but she's kind of above it right yeah she knows that it's hurtful and obviously it hurt her feelings but like she's going to try and rise above it um i mean you know yeah uh i think most people are chilling out on the his story thing i all i had to do was point out he's a guy i think i fixed it all also history and prophecy are like opposites so so um what i i mean it's not only he's so people really say like oh see she means history not his story is like well maybe that's the whole insecurity is that she is a chapter in his story being his the vision that relates but also he's a guy so if you're gonna refer to him but not by name you will say his does seem yeah like i respect their pronouns i think it's cringe because the grandma just explains angrobotus problems we already knew that was her issue yeah if you're saying like she's showing that the grandma knows if she knows yeah let's let's put it this way if someone was like man i really should avoid you know ice cream because i'm just i'm putting on i'm starting to notice it in the mirror you know as to a friend and then that friend gets angry at you one day just says shut the fuck up fat so it'd be like wow but that's one way but then if they were like you're insecure about being fat i think is the idea is they're saying the first one would be more reasonable the second one not so much but i mean the grandma was pretty angry uh and sort of lashing out as was just mentioned it's like uh i think if you if you're angling the dialogue should have been more subtle in terms of you know i guess we could tweak it to be like don't you hate that you don't have no that'll be worse actually like this don't tend to lean towards subtlety it just yeah that's where i mean i'm trying to i think i want to agree that we could improve the dialogue and everything but it's just um i don't know it seemed if it fit enough for me uh i think if i was can't let chat have a different opinion okay well you know i'm talking to you i am talking to you guys if you don't want to do that i can turn you off i guess like the solution could be to have her uh the the giant the big lady say something along the lines of like you're at the end you'll be like me you'll be doing everything you can to experience whatever you can or you'll come crawling back or you'll know what it's like to be like this soon or i guess along those lines i i get those edits but they just feel like we're changing it totally rather than like making tweaks i mean it's clear what she's trying to do and how she's just trying to have a feeling so like that's it um that's her goal this is how you do it if i was to do literally anything to it i would maybe shorten it that's about it maybe yeah maybe oh i think so so is the problem really people are drawing like it's a message about how women are just chapters in men's stories i don't think there's no way dude please no deep into it but this i thought the whole i thought it was go away if anything it's over the iron word is about an individual not men and women like an individual's chance to create their own story and not be you know bound to whatever is said of them in terms of destiny with it's okay guys you don't need to read too that far into it this reminds me of uh i wish i had the picture but like rainbow road in barricade fucking pride-ass bullshit what's really funny is that's the first time that i've seen in like normie circles people sharing one of jeremy's tweets well yeah because jeremy quotes for you to be like what the fuck what are you talking about just don't you don't know i think that that guy the guy who said oh it's a this woke bullshit and in the mario movie was replying to jeremy no i know but jeremy also quotes for you the response like what oh i think he said like this rainbow road my dude like that's been this way i should get you back you've been gone longer than you think you could just walk through that angrippota it's fine this was a long time coming we'll be back once we reach the other side of this path well then we're first s2 out of three a trius race me come on i see what you're doing you know you want to rematch after last i appreciate um last time i beat you cheetah pretty sure it was a dinner pretty sure it wasn't there helps you sleep at night but cheat again about to have a musical section show up so prove me wrong imagine which one it is one two three go oh my man you coming or what what the fuck oh no you don't the turn here prices David yeah it's a good versatile super engaging at this point it was already sold to a very upbeat and adventurous and tomorrow here it might become my favorite one of the lot that's so great overcrate ounces might be yeah i just like this one a lot actually i say that and i i think fame might be my favorite may is awesome dude so said board generic music oh fuck off get out of here man like i can only hope for a world where this is generic i was gonna say i i am happy is that it is yes it is made of notes a lot gross fuck really this one too instruments play it oh this isn't supposed to be here this is this was supposed to be i threw this in as a reference for the the bread thing i think it got shoved forward of the timeline i like bread i was gonna say i'm pretty big fan of bread i had bread today it was nice throw bread bread oh you can't say that in today's climate oh i'm cold so hot i'm all all it's bread once you're gone my pardon this is over so you know feel free to stay i think your part is as big as you want it to be what are you gonna do get a big part boy no idea i can't just sit back and let my dad die other home other home other home all right so yeah it's worth saying now mechanically speaking yes he's been gone for some time and we're aware that uh from the prior games i actually think that time tends to work differently and he's already been gone for a while anyway so it's a little bit stressful the idea of meeting up with kratos because you might have some stuff to explain and you can't talk about ironwood so what's he gonna say what's he gonna do if you know that odin has invited him to asgard so um yeah the there's a real good vibe right now of like okay when i get to igjercil he's probably gonna have some dialogue i'll get to cindrius house and i'm gonna walk in it's gonna be awkward that's what's in your head when you play this that this happens so good i wanted to visit fendere for two days i do not lie to me again why did you come here alone now we'll seek that voice breaking yeah it's amazing i just can't stop looking at his face it's the little details it's his facial expressions the voice christopher judge man i think yeah then why why what is it you will not tell me i've tried to walk this path with you we follow your every win but you don't believe in any of it and still i follow because all that matters is that you are safe but that's not all that matters who's keeping you safe i do not need you to protect me you sure about that do you know i can't talk about it but i just need you to trust me you kept secrets but i trust you it's not the same why not you hit things mother hit things you had good reasons and so do why why can't you just don't kill this is a possibility flashbacks to develop refights like no as i am on my stream uh i was already thinking about how like i'm trying to make sense of this why would there just be a random valkyrie attack unless it's to do with odin which is what they imply and then i was just like you could see me putting pieces together as i was fighting her on stream i was like and eventually i just go wait is this frayer like i was like is it possible because it would make some sense if it were because we've got no reason to assume we're fighting a valkyrie at this point and yeah all the odds of one finding us right now right here in mid-guards like finally and if you keep an eye on all the animations and the particle effects and stuff some of them are familiar dude the way he says it yeah it's like fuck almost it's almost it's so fucking good because she's almost tricked him into finally fighting back yeah yeah and it's like he's like almost offended like why did you you bitch like i dare you it's like my whole deal is i've just been trying to stop you from hurting my son and taking all of the damage while not killing you and you almost made me kill you yep it's not that deep what i said isn't that deep she's wearing a mask my dude i think she's trying to protect her identity it doesn't need to be but it's like well shit this is now the person who's been trying to kill you has kicked it up another notch she says later like she was annoyed that he would refuse to try and fight her every engagement so this is obviously an attempt on her part to hide her identity yeah you do not want this that's that it's it's so important yeah that perspective and it forms so many of the decisions made so far relating to her it's real there's in a nerve man she's seeing him be a real dad he just loves his son so much you have more use to me so we just went from like an intimate connection of one megabyte per second to like a hundred pretty much yeah we were like plodding along with some things to say what a fucking shock and blast holy fuck there's so much to talk about there with freya because it's so many things that have motivated her decision there and she's not happy about it she's really really really upset about the choice that she has to make here and it's informed by so many things it's informed by what we mentioned earlier with uh when atreus met her that it's just like all of this information is leading you to a place where you know what choices you need to make here and this is you need to cooperate with kratos like you just have to do it and especially when she sees atreus turning into a bear there it's like yep so it's pretty clear with all of this information you you just got to put it to one side for now but then there's also what you mentioned before that it's like this is kratos this is who he is he does not want to hurt you he considers he like he he owes you a debt like and he knows it um and also dim just being good dad you know it's uh treas impossible not to consider as well watching her watching him take care of his son like what's that going to make her think about exactly how important that connection is and yeah he just he just saved your life again i mean arguably maybe she would have been okay but at the same time he clearly cares to protect you after you put a knife to his throat or blade she has to channel that anger into destroying that big old boulder there she's got to get even kratos wasn't sure what that was going to be until it happened yeah but uh i just god damn it dude that that performance from her when she was losing her shit fantastic she's excellent i imagine several of the studios might want to snap some of these actors up for a game stuff because yeah didn't yell the suit this this is what it feels like to have two completely opposite motivations in your head at the same time yes ones that are extreme and powerful too well i mean another thing is she knows that for the last save like five or so years like uh kratos re-sorting trans i was at only three yeah i kind of figured it out pretty sure it's three i thought the trace was going from around like 11 to 15 but anyways well however long it's been she spent that entire time trying to kill him as hard as she possibly could to the point that like she stabbed him she stabbed him at the beginning of this game in the chest with the sword and he just kind of shakes it off and doesn't kill her so she also kind of knows it's like he just wants to be a good dad and he's trying as hard as he can to not fight with me and i i think this is the moment where she kind of like realizes that she's like she has to account for his perspective which he's been trying to discard as much as possible right it's just he's the one and then meanwhile it's like wait a minute he likes you he you know why he made that choice you know and you know that he doesn't want to hurt you and you know that he obviously he has a son that he wants to take care of yeah and then you know that there's a role that atreus must play uh in connection to you know her previous life right with odin and all the other race like just yeah she's forced to a point where it's like despite how fucking angry you are you have to you know what choice you have to make and i mean it reflects right and her screaming her lungs out as she like unleashes all of her rage on something other than kratos it's it's great it's so good again just this boiling point again the performance yeah yep and fabulous for the moment you're of more use to me really you will tell the truth when i return well i must set things right we'll take him oh your majesty a pleasure to see you again do not let him out of your sight you heard him sunshine come on get a move on i refuse to remain bound to this realm we travel to vanaheim well guess it's just justin yeah oh what a variable it's uh i love the cindering brock more involved in this game right there absolutely if you are still bound how will you travel i crafted a protection word that will keep me from being pulled up the realm it should hold until i find what i need and what is that the source of the magic that binds me to midgard we're going to find it i like how kratos asked the question that the player's thinking exactly how can you go to vanaheim if you can't leave the realm it's like a temporary thing yeah they even argue that odin's curses of weekend because of fimble winter as it weakens all of the like active curses or spells or magic of any kind i will help you one thing i find kind of weird i suppose is how willing she is at this point to just cordially chat with him i know it's about pertinent information but there's i don't sense any vitriol coming from this don't okay hang on i just hang on hang on hang on i know that's why i still might kill you when this is over sure i mean the proceeding things you don't i know it's all part of the same conversation but well i mean you can do that with a lot of conversations i i just yeah i don't i don't buy i think that she's able to provide practical information but she's still going to make clear what her motivations are and you can tell as the conversations proceed she's still spiky as fuck but she'll entertain engagement and conversation and she has a short fuse in vanaheim throughout and it to me that feels like an example right there of like are you doing this something possible it's like i'm doing it because this this this it's like oh was this and it's like yes and i'm still going to kill you or still might kill you well also i mean she's been red blinding on her mission to kill them for three years now and i i think she's probably kind of hit the point where she's you know just kind of done is like uh okay well you know what maybe i have been a little unreasonable here and so i'm i'm still not going to be nice to you i'm still not going to be nice to you but like yeah well we'll do what we gotta um this is a big tech not really a big tangent so you know the game awards is happening real soon and there's a category like players players voice where it's a hundred percent dictated by votes yeah right now it's it's there's only a few hours left for round two to conclude and apparently these five games are set to advance with these percentages for their votes so i'm going from lowest highest stray the game stray the little cat game eleven then okay got a war ragnarok has got 12 percent okay uh elden rings got 14 percent uh okay i know where this is going kitchen impact is a 15 percent yeah and the whole shit the current front rudder is sonic yeah because sonic fans are listen guys you thought the fight would be between ragnarok and elden rings you didn't realize based hedgehog run it in it's because all of the autistic sonic fans in prison or not are just they're they're crazy insane people they're insane i hate you know what you fucking you have played sonic frontiers you don't know how amazing that or shall i well that you're a bad bad because i can't i can't i have sonic red dog infection getting on me no no no no no it's not the breath of the wild of sonic the hedgehog doesn't have open worlds that has open zones okay i haven't played it i'm just maybe there is a difference i kind of i for one i'm willing to bet my fortune on the idea ragnarok has open zones but isn't open world like then look listen i don't i don't think the people would ever vote that wrong i think sonic is game of the year i think it is right and ultimately yeah and so this you know players can sonic or the tarnished go fast and didn't think so so wait so kratos in the tarnish sorry i mean tarnish has a double jump in horror nobody can run faster than kratos fastest man alive kratos used to be able to double jump but he can't even single jump anymore no he lost it all uh you know the tarnish he's he's pretty lame you know like the skeleman kind of for double jumps but really like kratos and the tarnish teaming up couldn't take on sonic look maybe sonic frontiers is actually like i i hear that they're doing a bunch of post-launch content for free and the reason why was because the game was perceived well by fans of the game so that's kind of neat i uh like i honestly haven't played it and i've heard that it's a skeleton of a great game but right now it feels like it's like early access this is why you spit on fandom i didn't say anything that was rags they acted me with that i didn't say anything mean about sonic fans go for it vote for your favorite game i love you all that happened was we read out the list and then and then laughed what even is ginshin impact is i don't a chinese free to play breath of the wild it's a game that i thought was about mechs because i thought ginshin impacts i would like mech it's not altogether terrible from a basic mechanical standpoint but uh if you're going to get deep into it it's uh a pretty scummy mobile more like i guess it's need a win game i think you already got bored so when i well i mean yeah it's interesting that stray is doing it's it means that strays being out like wait what are they hold on i'm working through the horizon forbidden west came out this year remember that i i have not played horizon forbidden west because i played zero dawn on pc with the most and keyboard and was like okay i'll wait till for west comes out on pc is a loy faster than a speeding hedgehog she's uh no definitely not really she just runs around like a same as crato is tarnished in a loy versus sonic we know what happened all i heard there was trash game because i can't go fast that's all i heard well i mean a loy is a ginger but then again so is knuckles it's not whose knuckles is uh red why is the australian why is the american he's in in chinda the chida and a kid and engender and it's the kid well he's maybe his parents moved to america right he's just like kratos this kratos is kind of a hedgehog if you think about it uh the the accident is right now i've never seen whatever knuckles is in real life i've never once seen one of those animals oh have you wow okay wow really it's never you don't you don't even have to look up what they look like in real life because that's just how yeah i was gonna say sonic looks just like a hedgehog yeah well i think sonic's cooler looking than real hedgehogs real hedgehogs just wow looks like uh he looks identical to real hedgehog bring you do something just described so i don't even know why that makes sense as a cooler than knuckles be i think real hedgehogs are real neat and i'd hang out with them and have cards i don't really i don't think they run very fast but still no i've i've not seen the fast running part so i think this game lies they even know their own source material jesus honestly the only thing i've ever seen a real hedgehog do is sleep this leave a lot of things maybe they they dream of being really fast and that's where they've got the inspiration from sonic sonic that's what sonic is he all the gameplay it takes place in the two hours every day that he's actually awake he's like he's always sleeping otherwise like i'll always sleeping that's the space sections and in the game when he's sleeping again like a lot of space and two waking hours so anyway there are people there there are sonic like actual sonic fans and they're they're just there are beautiful people we respect them screaming and yelling at all of trying to like yell through the internet connection all the sonic lore that we're we're missing to explain how sonic could actually beat aloy and kratos and the other one yeah and the stray cat but we all know we all know the cat we all know sonic o6 is the best of them all so there you go they don't like to remember hey man but i was gonna say you really think they're here doing that right now they're watching the game awards and they're typing in their votes for sonic frontiers the game awards isn't on yet they're watching the the pre-stream where the guys go like all pre-stream only for the sonic fans there's one for the song i'll give a bit of credit to the game awards i really thought they were going to nominate the last of us part one for a bunch of shit and it's basically not nominated i don't know if that is that they allowed who got nominated so that's i presume it's eligible wait uh well but i mean no resident able to remake is that's a different game i i know it's different i know um whereas that one is like part one i do love that trying to recontextualize it i see it was part one of a part two story yeah so anyway anyway back to go to war ride rock since i know we're near the end now but still it's a little bit to go you know near the end you lie i promise they're going to where we call god of war ragnar i gotta work yeah we all don't work we're on our way i got an old drinking buddy i didn't mean in to look up once this joint we're back on the map got a hunch lending you mokes a hand's gonna end me up where i'm going and what makes you think that because last i heard tell she was running with that beef with brother of yours frayer is not a part of this well my hunch says otherwise stroke to you're gonna move will hide shit out here oh that's not a good line in there that you don't have in here which she says we didn't ask you to come along and he just says it's cuz you didn't yeah he's i uh worth noting new it's it's really cool to see the variety in the realms that we get to travel to in this heck yeah vanaheim vanaheim alone is incredible like it's got a lot of gorgeous this by the way feels more like i was talking about with what they failed to do an iron word it's like what if we don't have the standard kratos atreus mamiya combo now and it's like oh god what are you gonna what are we doing it's like kratos mamiya like okay i'm i'm in brock like well yeah and frayer you're like oh oh this sounds like plenty of potential you get at me and awesome dynamic this is excellent we don't we don't even have a new character to buy into we just have loads of things to explore that's like give me that juicy dialogue we need the brock game we need brock they got a lot of work yes to blame war story but if it helps these two fine piece this is a temporary alliance mamiya anything beyond that would require trust oh please you know damn well kratos isn't the true cause of your suffering you're both as much a part of my suffering as anyone my spell i can feel it slipping well yeah in case anybody's not familiar mamiya is the one that brokered the marriage between frayer and odin which yeah is the beginning of the end of anaheim basically yeah so she has lots of resentment towards mamiya as well as kratos frayer's brother is none too happy about it either also i think this is a really good example of just i don't know what the fuck happened with the audio like the line q i guess watch what happens here be torn from the realm what can be done something i was hoping to avoid that seems i don't have much like what the fuck that must have that must happen though when you're still learning that you could transform into like a hawk or something but you can't like speak the same so you just start you think you're going to keep carrying on but your body changes and you know like all right i have a bad yeah right you both say that vocal cords entirely change size and they don't really she speaks exactly the same when she's yeah i guess so maybe she she's used to it now she knows how to pronounce the eight her i mean i don't have to eat right so that's uh that's a that's a tough one and yeah just just so obviously to be more straightforward about it's like she usually says falci but when then she becomes a bird this she went fat and then plays a different audio thing of just you know vocalize like wait what and i don't know how that happened because i couldn't possibly have interrupted it i was walking as fast as possible they like you know i mean like coming through a little like that was the game speed not mine it's this is the kind of shoddy craftsmanship that leads ginshin impact and sonic frontier to be leading your plays that's what happens when they try to go as fast as sanic they just interrupted themselves if only i could speak as fast as sonic the hedgehog time no i discovered it once you unlocked realm travel and it solves very little this form is extremely limiting also the riddle easy a noise a computer i have to try harder than that but all just you wait smart guy where has everyone gone now one guy they must have withdrawn hidden themselves out in the wilds and covered their tracks with magic no way of knowing how many are left yeah the vanaheimians or whatever the fuck you're gonna call vanaheimers shit ton of people we don't see any of them because they're all hiding away which is their way of trying to get away with this in swaddlefine you see some dwarves where they mostly run away into their houses and then the other realms like everyone's dead basically so their way of avoiding having to do lots of character model stuff but you know you even in asgard they try and make concessions on how they'll go about presenting people which isn't a spoiler everyone knew you're gonna see asgard in this game at some point i didn't say how why did you call the van here what did you call them the vanaheimians yeah vanaheimers the vanaheimers the vanaheimblues that's something brock would say yes well those vanaheimers gotta keep your vanaheimans intact until marriage they're vanessy you can thank mamere for that war with the vanilla was never my idea my idea was brokering the marriage to end it a great success that was obviously the people's no less a disaster than the marriage baby did he invade again as soon as i was exiled also if you find it is small what was that sorry nothing nothing at all i legit have no idea what you said that's all right i'm just enjoying the music we're having a gale time very early you'll find the laser laser be trash in this game yeah brock's incredibly intimidating battle stance i don't know if you saw it but he did a move where he like stunned and uh hurt the shit out of all three of them yeah it's like damn yeah as i said i was like brock i'm stunning all three of them like he hit some once and he just stands there they know they know his power and they know they know he's just like i'm just i'm like i'm losing my shit at how easily you're killing these guys you don't know how difficult these things i this is i played the game with no mercy mode i died many times this is easy super easy mode it's because you know actually no mercy i think is the same as give me god of war with the exception of the that level up mechanic that i was telling you about where the enemies will just like kind of randomly level up and you can interrupt them out of it with a ranged attack or an elemental strike of some kind but it does make it so that you really need to you really have to keep an eye on the battlefield which the camera doesn't help you with the difference difference between no mercy and normal is already huge yeah what i figured out is like that feels like there should be something in between almost everyone was playing this mode obviously easiest it's just i got hit like fucking 25 times in the fight with Thor just because i was i was half i had the controller in one hand basically i was trying to do something else and i was just getting surprised like fuck i'm still not dead like how is this happening memories of that wedding of yours fancy folks in quality meets and though i remember your brother stirring up an awful scene why do you keep bringing him up my brother is no concern of yours do you understand oh i understand plenty listen i know how bad it can get with one's own kin cindy and i were on the out so long it was like not having a brother at all now i take some of the ball for that on account of me walking out but it never stopped me blaming him most any of this sound familiar so far and what is your point my point is that weren't the end all of things after all once we got our heads right it was like he went straight back to being as big a pain in my ass as he ever was that's family you gotta keep them close where they make you good and crazy why do you think i need to hear any of this right now my focus is on regaining my freedom and i have no intention of being distracted look all i'm saying is if you happen to find yourself talking to your brother maybe the worst word said between you don't have to be the last one said enough when the day comes to face frayer again it will be when i am standing on my feet and free do you understand me it will not be while i'm stuck in this preposterous situation got a case of pride i get it hope yours clears up quicker than mine did a touching story that was bite me you bite me you wish i uh one of the things i can still do seems like that really let you know what kind of character brock is i'm going to make fun of everybody but i am going to let you know that i cared a lot about this situation in my own way and i'm trying to help you yep like he uh all of that was because he wants frayer and frayer to you know be friends and part of his investment in that is probably because he knows lunda lunda i keep misremembering lunda you know that she's going to be a part of frayer's camp so it's going to be better if we can all think up yeah and he's just like he's kind of fucking around he's kind of making fun but at the same time he's opening up an idea here that she's hoping she'll resonate with while mami and kratos are sort of just like go ahead dude what did odive everyone away what weapons did he make the dwarves build him how much was just mjolnir can one man do this much damage depends on the weapon give me a fucking kidding me do you guys get to actually see that and see what it skipped out for me yeah it just depends on the weapon in the man yeah that's like an awesome moment the fucking stupid ass video skipped wish what did odive to drive everyone away what weapons did he make the dwarves build him how much was just mjolnir can one man do this much damage depends on the weapon and the man give me a boot great happy that played properly that time jibas totally just decided to make it jump on that out of all the things it could have jumped on rude he just was like so heard you were looking at other pantheons yeah what's he doing yeah like why did people think it was my editing could you see the loading signal that that's just watch together okay don't be how dare you you don't go telling no one about that bet you glad old rock around to save you uh oh yeah he should probably go get him keep your guard up seems like such a mellow reaction we have here oh one eye send another god to do his dirty work thought too busy we'd about so about it picked a dangerous place for sightseeing all right no no no need for threats brother I know we probably should save it I don't know if I'll remember it but just do you see his reaction the second he started hearing Mamiya talk yeah but immediately like oh great that voice you know I'd cut off your head but it seems somebody beat me to quite observant brother well you're no brother of mine you sold my sister to that prick we broke it up piece where is it and where is my sister some dungeon in Asgard she even alive answer me so a few things I like that the subtitle actually changes credit in the middle of scenes when you discover who the person is he was vania stranger and then he turned into freighter I like the him getting closer to Mamiya not necessarily to hurt him credit us like back the fuck up buddy friend yeah nobody gets to touch him yeah get your own also really once again great first impression of the actor for this character like absolutely yeah man it feels like whoever his sister is real cares about him obviously we know it as I'm just saying like it's uh them eyes stop what are you speaking her voice it's me in v there's no time to explain just listen these men are in my service I'm here to reclaim what's been taken from me you can't undo what's been done I can I will now let them pass so you serve my sister come down what's with leaving me hanging like that you're trusty oh can it blover come here well found who I was looking for think I'm gonna stay and catch up oh are you now do as you wish brother if you wouldn't mind I'd have a one with lord fair sorry we got off on the wrong foot there stranger we're pretty used to only seeing ace here in these parts I typically get friendly faces that there's a friendly face right his name is Kratos and no idiot I would just appreciate that he ain't friendly no he's my big Greek bodyguard yeah we've been occupied since yeah last count what is your plan still got working on it brother I think I could be of use here if my council is welcome I'll take what I can get your mission will go considerably smoother without me in the mix come back for me when you're done hey Kratos as long as you're working for my sister carefully don't screw up she's not too big on forgiveness I'm a bit late for that one I'm afraid yeah that's just like oh boy you don't even want to know all right let's see what we've got here tell me about your army hey you're looking at it what you find against Odin's army well six if you count the dog oh fuck me very very numbers movements outposts we have good intel just short on help I see well let's have a look at them out then now that the distractions are out of the way I have words if you would hear them speak then with anger you feel for your brother I know it well you have a brother his name was Deimos when we were boys I was so happy when I met Deimos God's obsessed with prophecy the gods of my home man seldom left survivors so by the time I learned he had lived it was too late for men's his anger poisoned him against me but I never stopped loving my brother you think my anger is irrational you've known Freyja for mere moments and already you're taking his side I am not taking his no you're just sharing your thoughts on a subject you know nothing about an ancient so yeah that to me feels like a repeat almost of what she did with Atreus where she's like okay fine yes I'll I'll hear you out and the more he talks the more angry she gets and then she'll just she goes for what is essentially the worst possible interpretation of what he's saying and I think that's deliberate like she does it a couple of times in these conversations this is something cool that happens you come across an ancient and I'm going to show you what happens when you do well against it versus shit I really fought them before haven't you figures it's a wonder I've had such difficulty killing you and I need both ways I'd like to say just indicative of how much she does not like that you're alive yeah okay obviously you knew what to do so well she's just being a bitch this is the one section is her being an asshole I know what you're doing trying to play on my sympathies in the hope I let you live I am only trying to help the mistakes of the past need not be repeated I don't need to hear about your mistakes I've made enough of my own thanks everyone is so eager to advise me as if any of you know me or what I need the biggest loss in my life is due to you saving me when I specifically told you not to well it was my family my mess I know Baldur wasn't perfect but he was mine I know you know you think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child oh yes yeah I do there was another before Atreus her name was Goliope Goliope crashed to the ground what happened it was long ago never mind I shouldn't have asked it's one of them like moments when you're playing this as someone who's a huge family entire series this is like oh my god are we about to acknowledge his whole family thank you yes holy shit he said the words Goliope yeah it feels a a little intense because it's just like he doesn't open up about this stuff okay with basically anybody but really he's talking to someone he's trying to gain the trust of who lost their kids so it just you know they waited and I feel like they've earned their place with him talking about this absolutely it's uh I was so happy when they started talking about it it's just like man there was like one of those random goosebumps moments that I didn't expect personally it's just like oh shit he's talking about this I thought we will never hear about that but yeah we'll get more here in the second likewise with Demos though it's the biggest moment with Goliope like aside from obviously her role in the first game was in Chains of Olympus the like the other PSP spin-off that Reddy Adon made where it's the the tap X to let go of your daughter's right right in Elysium thing yeah it's it's pretty good yeah I know we kind if you know she tried to needle him again but it fucked up she was like gonna call the card of like I have been through suffering more than you have and it's supposed to say earlier it's like you haven't bitch like stop pretending like you have the even she was like oh shit and then yeah it develops a little further I know you should know my daughters in the service of a cruel god I was tricked into destroying a village not knowing my own wife and child were there until their blood stained my hands I swore revenge that's I can't imagine I paid back their blood a thousand times and burned Olympus to the ground the guilt remained perhaps you will kill me Freya but it will bring you no peace perhaps it is not peace I seek all those times I found you why'd you refuse to fight me every outcome would mean defeat what does that mean I have never wished you harm Freya you helped us you saved Atreus when he was sick I did not wish to live with killing you any more than I wished to die I see so good oh yeah it's just this impossible position that he's been stuck in for like three years and it's not been fun for him I used to play hide and seek with Freya in the crops then after noon stealing honey bread from the grand hall at harvest time we danced in feast until the sun rose it was all so simple where did I want to come back here and be reminded of all this it wasn't enough what Odin did to me he's desecrated every memory I have of home be glad you have a home to remember fondly in Sparta we were taken from our homes as children and raised in the agouji we marched though we drowned brought for scraps or starved our elders beat us till we could not stand at night we made our way home you notice how I realized how fucking loud that was so I was like well I guess I'm just gonna stand here while he says this instead because I don't want to ruin it alone or we're food for wolves is how Spartans are made well considering how Spartans are made it's no wonder you turned out as you did your fate was sealed from the start fate can be overcome I used to think so when the Norns told me of my son's fate I thought I could change it you know well how that worked out the Norns the fates of these lands that's right you defy prophecy at your own peril yeah all these pieces of dialogue they're all like revealing pieces more of Kratos' history is making more sympathetic to Freyja but at the same time we can still generate slight pieces of conflict it's like agreements are coming out of conflict and it's just stuff to talk about because they got to do something on their way to getting they're free from a curse and so all it's gonna do is what it always does it just gradually humanizes him to her and yeah it's like they're talking about all of the things you're probably gonna want to aim for them to talk about but they didn't like rush it they've gotten onto these topics through a lot of it is her bitterness that he doesn't understand that she's been wronged intensely but he totally does I also think that her telling or him telling her about his past in order to give her a bit of a sense about what he's gone through and what his history is like is it also kind of achieves the same goal of like reminding us that like yeah this guy is a Spartan who grew up in the way that you see I don't know the things like the beginning of 300 where they look at the babies and decide if they're gonna throw them off the cliff or not and then when they're a preteen they send them out into the woods and they do that whole thing where they come back as Spartans or not at all and it's like ah man it's nice to be reminded of that every now and then and to think of how cool it is that he then became the god of war and is now in Norse mythology like it's all really really cool stuff and Odin with it so all this time Odin's obsession with every detail of Ragnarok he's been missing a crucial piece well done grower the trace will not be some uh some fun thought once you get further along haha Odin doesn't know this secret you still stand against fate even with victory foretold I will not march my son to war he is no Spartan if I would keep it that way you would speak to me of protecting your child is my tragedy not enough of a lesson fighting fate is a waste of the precious time we're given to spend with them you never know when someone will come along and cut it short more neat tunes um I think yeah all this plays during the fight with Neethog but I decided to uh I've chopped that one up mainly for its story so there's no musical moment yeah good stuff Ragnarok will not bring back what you have lost any more than killing me I am at my limit for enlightened platitudes from you today can you please just shut up and kill things do not can be seen as funny but telling Kratos of all people that shit man yeah tell me to kill again what I killed to protect my son to aid my friends but I will be no one's monster never again you don't get to make that choice not with the debt you owe me I am not here for debts I will always have helped you so much has been taken from me and I'm just supposed to let it all go enough and that to me is the crux of her entire emotional fucking turmoil yeah I'm supposed to I gotta do something in response to what you did I have to and everything that's happened to me but part of what's interesting about what's happened to her is that one of the things for example that made her commit to going for Kratos is like okay so I gotta get that warrior spirit back and she did and it's like the ability to actually harm again and that was one of the bigger reasons why she wasn't getting involved in anything is like also I really want to fucking kill him but I can't bring myself to yet you know what I can use him to get access to the other curse that prevents me from traveling the realms and of course if I break that then I'm almost back to like full power and it's like everything that was restricting her pathway that related to getting revenge on Kratos has already opened up a lot for her and it's starting to become like a thing of what's you just gonna kill him because what it just it just feels like you should like there's some kind of obligation well yeah like what exactly is it that's motivating you to the longer that this conversation it's pretty apparent right the longer the conversation goes on the more her will to continue with that quest is being whittled away because again it's just more information that recontextualizes who Kratos is instead of just this basically this uh thin like instead of being able to view him simply as um like the entity that was responsible for Baldr's death instead it's oh this is like a person and all of this history explains so much about who he is and how he operates especially the greek backstory old tree roots bound in Odin's damn knots that's how he did it come on that's good that appears out of me the first time that happened it's i would not expect that to happen i was expecting a payoff if he helps to break him apart which he doesn't even want help to do it you know but it's like nope suddenly god's ill of you like oh god i don't know about the dog yeah we mentioned him her i think it's epic as fuck that she as a bird form tears out the vanaheim restriction turns back into warrior mode and then fucking helps you it's so cool you are free in vanaheim yes but there are more troops she will guard them with her life i have to break his hold on me and you are in the way is it done that you have what you seek i suppose this is the point where i forgive you forgive him yay have you decided i really love the choice what he does with the axe is an implication of i'm not gonna let you kill me so yep that's the decision what we're gonna do here i don't think i can do either there is still a part of me that is so angry it'll always be it'll always be angry you are not the one who needs to die i do see that i almost want to try and break it up a little bit because there's so much to say otherwise but yeah everything we've been talking about all that argumentation basically she's just she's at the point where she's forced to make the decision and it just makes no sense at all to kill him at this point especially with the she's got almost everything back now if she's got a team of people now we've got access like killing odin stopping odin it's a potential now it's something that tray has brought up she was like you know i can't i can't do anything with odin hopefully ragnarok takes care of him but now that's not true and it's like are we really going to use everything we've just gotten to kill kratos or but it may be now your focus turn on someone else it just looks like that that's that's what really tipped her over being like all this effort i put into in terms of killing you has granted me access to everything i need to do what i think is actually important yeah uh be the rest of this everything that's happened between us and last we spoke i was no you were right to distrust the word of a god no need to explain not to me not for that oh i forgot about that i will do this one of my favorite callbacks oh it's i even said the why it stuck out to me is it didn't quite feel like kratos dialogue to say not to me not for that but it's because he's repeating back to what she said to him it's it's fucking great i just found it great on its own already we'll keep him but some others promise it won't happen again i promise you see that it does not do not regret saving your life and never will but the choice between life and death should have been yours to make have robbed you of that choice what a fucking scene yeah that that sigh there at the end is like yeah um obviously a pretty big character arc there what's happening is that that is years of weight that is now finally lifted and i think a huge part of why she's so capable of moving on now is that he told her exactly what her problem was you understand yes what's why she's so fucking pissed beyond obviously the death of her son um yeah uh and phenomenal performances once again and what a great callback how much you guys care about the story that came before good job really really good is that it presents it presents a more honest uh sort of answer to the question that the story essentially rises which is like will freya forgive him and then as though it's a binary right like credo said forgive or kill him it's like it's a little more complicated than that she's angry and she's upset and she can feel that way and she can still find a way to push forward and like move forward and forge something with credo's and conversely credo's made a choice um a choice that he believes to be right in terms of saving uh her life but then there's also the recognition of what exactly it is that's like the breach from her perspective you know one of them anyway um and just acknowledging that it's just i i like it for that if it was like it's uh it's meaningful it's mature you know in terms of what it has to say it's um it's what connects uh freya and credo's a lot uh and boulder there's all these um impossible positions but positions that they all seem to maintain which is very human like i yeah uh one of the ones you can talk about as a connection would be that she refused to let bolder know how to undo the spell because she absolutely cannot let him die but at the same time she fucking hates that he's suffering and hates that he hates her she's still maintained it right up until he died um of course credo's being like like it's so obvious if you were with credo's you'd be like so you don't want to die but you're not gonna kill her like you understand that you're gonna have to make a choice eventually and all he's been doing for these past few years is desperately reaching a point where he doesn't have to make that choice again and again and again so tense so overwhelmingly frustrating and and yeah this is the moment where he finally doesn't have to worry about that anymore um yeah and that's what that sigh is it is a sigh of relief relief not exactly well um an interpretation that was added on that i didn't even necessarily think about after i saw an interview was that um what they told him to motivate him to make this sigh as well as everything else is happening is credo's knowing uh that she's just made a decision that he very well not not might be able to make yeah could he ever forgive the person who killed his son and he's so relieved that she could i say forgive whatever is happening here it's a very complicated emotional state between these two and uh her expression when he explains what he regrets uh just yeah this is uh and i feel like they took their time but i'm gonna prompt you because you're not saying as much but what did you think Theo i believe you had a controversial opinion on this at least to me at one point okay smart move which opinion i'm reckoning to meet my position regarding the resolution of this well uh i think whatever opinion you currently have i'm not actually because like when you first told me it sounded controversial maybe it is maybe it is i don't know just what do you think okay i don't really have a my opinion just pretty much aligns with yours at this point because i thought at first that it was happening a bit too fast like i was kind of just watching through it i was kind of dumbstruck by how quickly everything happened progressing from Freyja's various emotional states to the next to the point where she's willing to fully like be on side as it were but we've talked about that and yeah i don't know if that really there's plenty of reason to inform why things progress at this place i think i don't blame anybody for necessarily coming to that conclusion it's that Freyja is uh is a fucking giant washing machine a blender of emotions mainly being fury uh and so a lot of how she gets through this sequence is uh she's snapping from one sort of like approach to another like because Freyja is a very kind and caring person but at the same time she's got it in her head that this fucking needs to die and so she keeps like oscillating between trying to accept and understand and listen but also just every time he triggers her with any possible bad understanding or interpretation she bites his head off but you know she's finally forced to really make that decision and that's what we got um yeah i think uh this moment ranks pretty high for you right Freyja until some other moments happened like this was uh so yes up until this point this is one of my well i mean i mean i would say it's one of my favorite moments in the game the problem is that when i say one of my favorites there's a pretty big list at this point this is one of the moments i really like um i kind of said it before but i uh think that they did a fantastic job with Freyja um like she's one of the best characters in this game when i say one of the best i mean like she is competing for she is competing for a super duper high up spot on that part of them why yeah i mean we've kind of looked at it only from her incredulous relationship what's going on for her here is that for many years odin has just had complete control over it played it like a puppet yep but took everything from her by using her it's been a nightmare especially when we get more information on the side quest uh she when she said get out of me i think she's referring not just to the roots as part of that odin odin roots in her life essentially that like so much of her current situation is controlled by him this person that she absolutely hates yeah um she's she's regaining her freedom and autonomy is what a fucking and having retained it yeah because that's what her and Freyja were talking about vaguely is that the vanaheim needs leadership and help and she hasn't been able to offer that this whole time to the point where uh as she said in the 2018 game it's like the vania hater because she betrayed them as far as they're concerned but she's been desperate to try and get back to him because and that's the thing she loved his son his son was with odin his son was an acia it's uh got a lot to have to deal with i also wanted to point out again i said it a lot during my streams and everything but that they had that they they had the choice to just disregard basically the the original trilogy and the other games as like these silly fighting games with that i think character i feel like that's been dropped by now but people really did push that sentiment that they find these games frustrating because they don't seem to like their origin their history which yeah the comparison to make is with the last of us too that game hates how it's fragmented like fuck you for ending this way we're going to change it yeah it strains to recontextualize things so that you see it in a different light yeah and the way to do it here where they take these parts that are like really important to create as this character and everything uh and integrating it in this game and make it super meaningful and we get it like something like this where he actually talks about kaliope and demoss and what's been happening and it's like i was really impressed they did that they just didn't make a yep make a laughing stock of what came before it and they just put it in there and it's really good and i i'm a big fan of that and uh i think it's worth mentioning because it was so well accentuated by uh fringy's particular play through with us but i think it's just a straight up mistake they shouldn't have had you unlock the amulet right after this happens now if you remember in the opening it's duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh is like her theme when she's attacking critters right now we're doing duh-duh-duh like it's really soft and slow to try and imply like yes we finally got there it fucking hardcore halts when you pick up the you it's right in front of you it's a press circle to pick up the and it's like zing you've unlocked the amulet it's like it's like not not now calm down do this like slightly later let this let the song settle let this let it all settle don't do the thing it's like it's just bodging it like hello mechanics what's up everybody video game here i suppose it's time to face my brother i i chopped it out because it's uncomfortable oh okay going into the uh what we were talking about a moment ago about you know the old game and recognizing those this game seems to pull kind of like the opposite of what marvel does where this game is willing to i mean it understands it's building off of something it needs that old thing to kind of have this thing and it's kind of accepting the baggage along with that and then working with it instead of just trying to have it both ways the best attitude towards repairing your story i think you can absolutely possibly have you have to just be like that is my history that is what i'm building on take me seriously or don't i'm using it um you know in a respectful manner in a way that i am acknowledging what it is it's interesting too because uh it you know arguably this game is incomplete without more awareness of what happens in 2018 but as many people will say with the whole franchise like you're missing out if you don't play the first three before this game too which is like Jesus christ really it's like yeah that's uh yeah how much to draw it's it's honestly why it still to me sucks that most of these games are best played on ps3 because the only the only god of war game that is from the original series that you can even play right now on a modern console is the god of war 3 remaster right yeah because i've got i've now got everything up to that uh ready to play on ps3 i think i've got two copies of god of war 3 now one on ps3 and one that's remastered ready to play on ps5 if i wanted to yeah yeah i can play on ps4 or five it's um it's still like this franchise is into my worship to some degree at this point like owning two copies of it was like that's fine i'm fine too yeah and after that i don't know it's been a long time since i've had a choice let me live with that for a moment your brother seemed open to your return oh i'm sure he'd love nothing more than for everything to go back to how it was leaving the responsibilities of leadership to me it's not as though i want to be angry with frayer he's my brother he was the most important person in the world to me for half my life skull and hottie are in vanaheim we learned the giants rescued them from odin and brought them here and look the sunlight wakes the sleeping see how they stretch to welcome the sun beautiful though a far cry from the sheets of midgard snow i've grown accustomed to so much has happened since i last saw frayer i'm not even sure where to begin what do you want from him an apology would be a start i want to forgive him i'd like to think he's changed he's all i have left now what i'll say is that um a lot of why this meeting next is going to be meaningful is in over like cutscene dialogue but a lot of it is in lore pickups you'll find out like what frayer and frayer mean to each other how they got to the positions they're in and one of the bigger elements is just that during alpine which you you heard pieces of um you know frayer finds out that frayer forgive my accent because it's hard to tell the difference the the there was uh the marrying off to odin and whether or not he believed his sister was in trouble so he left alpine don't see what he could do about it he was uh attacked ridiculed and burned by the asia and booted out presumably and so he's been trying to generate a resistance and maintain it while believing that something horrible may have happened to her as you as you heard what he said to uh mamiya is she in one of odin's cells is she even alive so you know she feels like he didn't turn up at all when that's that's that's her brother so where was he why didn't he ever come to mid god why didn't you find out what happened to her and so there's a lot of stuff going on between them and so a conversation between them is a long time coming is kind of what i'm getting at and even kratos is like he asked a pretty good question what do you want from that conversation what are you what are you looking to to find from him and since she's in human form yeah it is difficult to seek forgiveness when you feel unworthy forgiveness can be powerful even for the unworthy my wife fey taught me that well be glad you have a spouse to remember fondly which is a pretty neat call back he said be glad you have a whole new home yeah all my former spouse taught me was that there's no limit to the depth to which a soul can sink into darkness oh burning wasn't related to the burning was before the wedding really um because they that's the one thing i was actually confused about was the burning i wanted to know more exactly what happened because the way everyone describes it is like he was set on fire but presumably it wasn't lethal because he's alive so it's just uh i wasn't all i know is the the the main parts obviously is that they've spent a lot of time apart from each other and they both feel like the other didn't do enough depending on what the other station they were in but um yeah i need to um refresh on the uh on the law pieces on that one as well he taught the magic and got burned and then there was war is that what started the war again i'd have to read all of the things that's one of the things i i didn't include in this set of uh i didn't even include the notes craters has on like odin and thorn stuff i don't think we would be able to finish this in any sense of a timely manner they attacked him because the he tried to teach them to grow crops and it didn't work yeah they sucked at it so they set up on fire do the thing is uh i think it was mentioned by memia that heimdall burned dearlin so i guess that's a uh it's a way they like to punish people into marriage to spare my home and took my home just the same scattered my people to the wind maybe it's time somebody drew the like salt on a table maybe it's time someone makes grow as prophecy come true i will not wish for warfare war is a terrible thing kratos but some things are even worse the god of war doesn't want war they've ruined him yeah that's a pretty cuck of war soy of god of soy ragnocuck yeah cuckarock you know if atreus rushes to ragnarok you may not be able to stop him i will and if you fail i have prepared him to survive without me if he must the is there an implication there that he's gonna stop him or die trying i would assume so yeah and that he's comfortable with the idea that he likely will because of the prophecy thing which is pretty cool as conflict he keeps denying prophecy is a thing but he at the same time is clearly trying to prepare for the fact that it's true mm-hmm um though i suppose it's good to prepare regardless yeah he never know what's gonna happen no it really is you you've returned to us at last yes uh let's celebrate you reclaim the throne we'll rebuild me and you against the world huh just like the old days i'm not staying i don't understand you're here maybe together we can take back what's ours i only just got back what's mine i still have work to do you've seen what's left of the realm right do we really mean that little to you you question my loyalty vanaheim turned its back on me oh you still can't let go of that old fight it was my duty to save as many of our people as possible my responsibility one you didn't take seriously then and from the looks of it one you don't now you think this is a game to me yeah we lost everything to that maniac you called husband the man's family set me on fire how did you expect me to react like my brother like the boy that used to have my back no matter what and who i always supported no matter how selfish is choices i expected you to come and find me that no matter how hurt or angry you wouldn't please i thought you were dead i've had to live lifetimes but those last awful words i said to you what that's like knowing that your own selfishness hurt the person that you care about the most i mourned you i've missed you so much find myself to another realm when i finally have my freedom i'll send help though this hasn't been your home for a long time has it do what you gotta do all right that's in uh ain't y'all got nothing better to do than gawking at family sorting squabbles come on you two what a fucking legendary way of being able to turn the tone to a different direction yep it's uh it's one of the things i try to talk about when i was talking about how you how you move tones like when you have a character that's expected to you cut tone like almost every time he's in a scene it's like a almost like a cheat code but it's um highly expected brock what a legend anyway and they gave it enough time to breathe you know like they finished your thing they had like a moment and you have like another five to ten seconds or whatever when he's doing the thing that uh looking that happens in real life like when someone's having that level of a fucking like domestic you sort of people will watch and listen because it's like man this is just like tv and then he's just like he's been through it many times in his own family it's like stop fucking watching him staring it's weird move yeah or at least can you look can you look like you're not staring at them at least he's trying not to look awkward he's uh this is what i mean he's you might be like what a cloud he's fucking around so it's like uh brock's deal with this because he cares about him he wants him to uh you know have their moment and not be stared at and blah blah blah it's a private thing but yes um well thoughts on that scene anybody anyone anyone i think i think that that what an excellent use of time you know we learn though we got a we got a lot and not a lot of time elaborate about their relationship how they feel about each other the reasons that the reasons why each of them feels the way that they do ultimately how happy they are to be back together and that she took all that advice to hurt along the way that uh pray i got from a brock in uh kratos i quite like the um the dynamic change and how justified they were right the opening of just hey how you doing we haven't seen each other in a while and it's totally like are we are we gonna ignore all the shit we have to deal with maybe we are woo-hoo yay and then she's like well okay anyway bye because i gotta go sort someone out at a different place and he's like ah gee you're doing you're doing that again huh that's just that's what you do you don't really care about about all of us and then she's like motherfucking really you gotta go there and so it moves into like the just the bitterness and shitting on him for drinking and shitting on each other for not being in the places they probably should have been but like you can tell the turning point in the conversation is when he admits uh is his own flaws led to hurting someone he cares about so much and it's like uh oh parallels he's already said sorry as well so yeah and both the actors putting in quite a bit of effort there at least yeah again it's just the most important is letting point it out enough each other know how much they care about each other it's what's that's the truth they were worried about each other not giving a shit the truth is they really really did it was just really bad circumstance oh yeah uh I think they did a pretty good job as rags said with the limited time they had to get us from all that shit they had to sort out to it practically being sorted out yeah just because there's bits of information I should describe yeah neither of them knew something important about the other in terms of what happened and why which feels appropriate given everything that we just had in that that segment before between Kratos and Freya and Kratos and Atreus respective yep there are parallels everywhere they're running around there are many parallels because it's like poetry it really is it rhymes it does rhyme though I remember where to look for a gateway follow me well you two seem to be getting on since completing your mission did I hope this alliance has some steam power after all it seems to me we share a common enemy Kratos you may not accept that Ragnarok is inevitable but you're smart enough to know Odin is a threat whatever comes next our best chance of surviving it is to work together do you agree I do then as to Brock's offer you can imagine staying under the same roof as a couple former enemies no further temptations towards terrible vengeance not against you either of you you have my word so it's true tears really alive all right not exactly ship shape he sleeps in a broom closet now but he's adjusting how did you find him largely that's down to a trace having figured out how to access the prophecies giants reserved for their own kind we only learned of it ourselves after Thor and Odin came calling to your home is it still standing barely but all the violence was seemingly just a distraction to let Odin have a private one with a trace Odin was alone with your son did he tell you what they spoke of yes he said that Odin invited him to Asgard to help him find his answers the answers he's rushing into fate in search of that's troubling well brother before you see the light again might we discuss an approach he will tell me where he has been that is my well so I do have a question then in terms of all of this how much is there anything in here for all of the optional Freyja stuff I'm afraid that is an absolute zero we're gonna have to bring it up from memory because I don't I barely have the time to get us all the story stuff like the side stuff well the the the short version if we're gonna the short version is that there is a ton of material and vanaheim for Freyja that also obviously works for credit some amiss since they're there it's a um it's an example of something that this game does which they didn't do in 2018 which is filling the side content in the story with a lot of meaningful character work and you know and plot developments not necessarily directed like very you know like not inextricable from the main plot but definitely fuels a lot of that because what we get specifically with Freyja is a a fairly extensive side quest that delves into damn the problem is that like the details are gonna be a bit vague it was the it was uh to do with her wedding vows with odin and uh and then retrieving the sword yeah yeah it's it's uh that's a really great side quest that gives us so much information on Freyja and how she perceives the relationship that she had with odin and basically finding a way to take that to take all of the the um essentially the traumas of that relationship and try to move past it and become stronger yeah it's really great it filters into my perspective of that character in the main quest and it really feels like if you're not doing the side content you are missing out on a huge portion of what the game has to offer narratively which makes it our job to try and summarize best as I can from my memory she discovers a bunch of items that relate to her history with odin and as she finds and destroys them um she tells stories about how gradually over the time she you know was was married to odin it started out pretty okay and he there was something there he wasn't like the worst thing ever um but she describes a lot of things that were very obsessive about him and strange and then how the people of vanaheim they were still pretty loyal and you find a couple of spirits that are like oh my god I've been waiting for Freyja and here she is then you also find like the equivalent of Norse graffiti of people being like Freyja betrayed us she'll never come back that sort of thing um and then she says like vanaheim as time went on and as she I think she said once Boulder was born vanaheim basically turned their back on earth they were like she's done she's out she's not one of us anymore and um all she she never stopped thinking about them sort of thing and odin's influence and the connection made in aid of trying to broker a peace eventually caused a much worse war to take place and uh she was unable to do as much to protect or even speak to the people of vanaheim but yeah eventually you gain access to the sword and uh she tries to yank it out of it's in a stone it's very bing Arthurie he does a spell and tries to open it can't tries really hard can't and then she basically says this sword was meant to represent like the bonding of her and odin and she says he had a line something like the deepest wounds create the strongest bonds or something like that um implying of course that all the damage he did to her makes it so that it's almost impossible to get him out of here which is a development of what we saw earlier um but she comes around to accepting the sword is almost representative yes of the bond she had with odin which was more than just poisonous it wasn't just bad it also bound her into being the queen of asgard which means she shouldn't be so headlong obsessive into destroying asgard and odin there are people there who are innocent and technically that she's responsible for and so she says what this sword used to represent is no longer what its legacy is like going to be it it is an incredible parallel to the blades of chaos and kratos and it gives you just enough information that's going to come back and be very important in one of the final payoffs of this game in terms of what happens in asgard kind of the reason why it's like it's so important to engage with all of this side concept and plus as well like you mentioned it before right but as you're exploring uh vanohyme kratos is hoping uh frayer like free this the the souls of uh like you know deceased vanya and and just doing all of these things and a lot of the time when you complete them you get a very sincere thank you from frayer to kratos for helping her do these things yeah like all of that is into basically my assessment of these characters is that kratos is going out of his way to do these favors for these people and way less so in this game than before like the the pretenses is really starting to drop he's not doing it to get you know resources he's doing it to help people he wants to help people and by the end of that side story uh they've talked a lot about each other and they're past and she on your way out of that area she says i appreciate you becoming like my new confidant basically yep yeah there's also a great moment that i should have included but like i said i didn't have the time as you're exiting i think the main sort of story payoff of that side quest mamiya says very sincerely thank you for saving me and it feels so strong as a payoff in terms of just uh he was never going to there's never been a great opportunity to say that to her because uh the the relationship everyone's sharing has been so fucking abrasive and toxic he never got to say because if you remember when they first meet in 2018 she spits on it yeah um and even says if i knew that the witch in the woods was friar like i wouldn't have suggested this yes um but at this point yeah it feels like enough sort of a bridge has been built that he just finally says thank you for saving my life uh and it's just yeah you get a reconciliation between at that point i was so just overblown with how you took her from being this violent psycho that's trying to end my life into one of my like closest friends as the protagonist like good job and is all done with these uh pieces of history that relate to each other they share a hell of a lot of the suffering they've both been through you know but yes that's you get all of that um you can go home before or after that it's up to you and as i said like it's just when you see that level of we didn't talk about the mamiya one we can at a certain point are all right guys we are at we are at seven hours and we're only at freya joined the team so yeah don't underestimate odin's powers of persuasion he filled my son's head with lies why wouldn't he do the same with yours you're gone for two days also they another character might have said uh you don't think he she would place the blame on odin for being tricky not on atreus for being stupid yeah and it's just planting in kratos' head more and more doubt about atreus's motives and potential to be tricked if nobody to watch your back i'm your partner we're not supposed to keep secret you sound just like father whose side are you on whose side i don't know what does it even mean to be on your side right now how do i know you won't be running off to azgard next if i did at least i'd be somewhere i could make a difference now that's crazy talk that is the craziest of all possible talks why odin had the chance to kill me but he didn't he offered to teach me maybe if i had more answers i could prevent what what is this about it doesn't matter just let it go okay he better screw his head back on and i mean tightly so you're back or you can just walk in are you ready to answer me about what where did you go who did you see was it odin what really like how atreus was just having a pretty raised argument with someone kratos walks in and treas is like oh hey you're back hey as if as if like everything's chill it's like things are not fucking chill dude oh yeah bar from it were you gonna say something mark i did i heard things oh no i just i was making a joke said oh hi dad wow you can't take this game seriously you're like a marvel fan oh my god very true i don't know it's mox marvel humor get him out of here i'll be doing this oh thank you do you deny it answer me did you go to azgard no of course not but so what if i did it's my future it's my life you are my son then why don't you trust me if you want me to trust you then tell me the truth the truth is you're being a complete asshole laddie you know that's no way to change a man's mind he doesn't have any faith in me it's fine if he keeps secrets it's fine if mom did it is not fine her secret's hard to be stuck with this path oh okay so you don't believe in her anymore either this is not about your mother what you have done is lie wonder where i learned that that's quite enough since when do you always take his side since he became no one making sense that is such a like we've already hit it before but that is that is when the mirror is fucking pissed yeah yeah yeah really ever hear that tone from him look at that face yeah and it's especially chill with the trails mostly but now yeah it's going like absolutely out of control it's like you're not making any sense well especially your body language really sells it true um but also uh you if you are ever wondering why it is my mirror is especially angry you're about to get the answer i was only thinking about going to odin but i swear it's for a good reason there is no good reason to go to odin he'll only cloud your mind but i'd be going for us i gotta stop something bad from happening something bad did happen look at me at freya at tear odin did this to us what's got every one catterwall and all of a sudden atreus wants to go to asgard asgard get kicked in the head or something great i guess everybody's against me now you must choose who you're going to be are you going to continue to lie and keep things from me or are you my son choose i never get to choose just leave me alone like golden listen hitting a cindy is not a cool okay uh no that's a very very upset me and my stream was first thing i said once cutsy was over i was like how dare you yeah um what if he was there yeah and i'm with atreus ended his um he's got control of the wolf but the bear is not controlled no not at all not now pretty great because that means criss was still letting him make the choice himself he didn't sprint at him also also kept calling him boy boy yeah oh yeah means the hell of a lot but yeah i i actually i think it's worthwhile to mention that the credo still lets him make that choice yeah that's really important he's a really good dad just um disappointed you know it's uh it's all those trust issues they build it up build it up and then they're causing trust issues yeah freezing cold lots of hellwalkers definitely in midgard this is just a editing mistake don't worry about oh okay if i go to asgard following the prophecy where father ends up dead if i stay locked up at home there's nothing i can do to stop it i guess in asgard i i could at least keep an eye on odin you spy find out his plan to control this it's okay buddy what though he helped the turtle the tortoise yeah charlie he was he was really cold and he helped him out yep i think he's here for me i'll be okay i think okay i'm ready take me to him who was at this point when i was editing i was like good god i'm really gonna have to start cutting because uh yeah it's getting so long we're not even like there's still so much story left a lot of a lot of fleams also the fucking asgard soundtrack yep he's a good one too yeah also just asgard you you didn't get to see it chat but the vista yes the vista is a glorious oh yeah the beautiful and and uh there's a commentary almost every time you enter a realm they talk about what fimble winter has done to it and spotlify him it's the the gas and the almost noxious elements and the earthquakes in vanaheim it's like a an extreme humidity and obviously a midgard and the others but asgard is like protected odin is seen to it the fimble winter hasn't like destroyed it um yeah so it's nice and warm beautiful yeah it's like oh i'm just getting my bangs well there's nothing i see this way except the big wall is there a gate to go through nope not unless you're an ace your god but i guess you know that if you were an ace your god me no i'm from it guard what no shit me too i'm skilled lucky hang on are you all from it guard yep the uh all fathers saved us from the desolation gave us a safe place to settle but we don't go in there can't get into the city unless you know magic you you don't know magic do you a little bit yeah what no shit you can you walk through walls not yet could not just climb over it can make my thumb disappear look oh wow whoa no aren't you afraid of dying well yeah i mean look at that but odin awaits you know the all father um sort of his apprentice no shit what is he teaching you i'm not sure well how many other students i don't know how long you stayed you don't know okay i'm gonna go climb that wall now well this i gotta see you need help i appreciate it but i gotta go along oh i wasn't gonna climb with you i may owe odin my life but i don't owe him my dad not that i think you're gonna fall forget i said anything well that's all very logistical like in tips and just stuff happening some of those lines are gonna come back but uh yeah of course it sets in motion that hey odin saved these guys from mid god so you know this is a little bit to think about considering yeah he's got such a bad rap makes a second guess a bunch of things yeah who can your guide who odin's raven you know from who's pretty good guy though not sure he'll know too much about climate i feel like it's worth saying that we hear about hoogan and moon in being the uh the birds that can essentially cause realm travel but uh up to this point we only have a here reference of hoogan kind of strange yes loki you seem like a good guy i really hope i am not about to watch you die thanks me too but you should ever go back down because of the oh no i didn't what happens oh yeah he's just like oh do you change your mind it's like no i just want to say goodbye properly or something along those lines because like just like two sentences just kind of need that it's in there yeah anyway you character to introduce you'll go uh hello hello uh hi so what part of the enormous wall made you think oh visitors must be welcome i kind of want to point it out now because it's just something interesting but he does so much hand acting it's true yeah moves his hands around a lot what he speaks it's just a neat little flourish he's got hey you must be i was sent for actually hey by odin that's a tomato on his hand not a apple all father king of the ace here possibly want with the likes of you that's between me and odin so um i kind of i think i'm just gonna call it out now it's not exactly like a big ol reveal he um he has like all seeing eyes and he specifically has the ability to read your intentions and like what you're thinking about um he can learn a lot about a person just by looking at their eyes so what's neat about this is he says why are you here he's like odin sent for me and he says you know why would odin send for you now that in a normal conversation would imply he doesn't believe a trace like no what's actually happening here is he knows he's not lying so he's asking him genuinely why would he send for you anything because i know he did but why then him saying that's between me and odin look what he says in response you don't even know can't draw it out of him because he doesn't actually know i think that's really neat like uh because it works both ways before you discover he has that power um but afterwards it makes even more sense i think you could pull me up or no i don't think i will i think maybe i'll drop you no no no no no yes i'm going to drop you goodbye where i think i'm at the all father's gonna be when when he finds out you killed his guest which is true of the yote norm yep yep the unity's eye is kind of like moving sort of flickering in a way the enemy of my people i am not your enemy that head tilt being like yeah i'm not sure about that buddy i will be the judge of that what is your job i protect the realm i love from trouble and you think i'm trouble you just met me and i can already see you are eager to prove yourself way too eager probably due to an overshadowing father figure you can never live up to good guess yeah because when i was playing it at this point i was like okay how did like but okay upon understanding hyped i was like oh he literally knows that you can read it from your brain but also guess that you are disrespected and titled and impulsive you don't know me yet which implies that that is something that atreus atreus thinks of himself yeah which is pretty hard to avoid considering what he just did yeah so it's not like knowing that about atreus atreus's character is you know this is it's not like he thinks i'm totally in the right i didn't do anything wrong i wish pushed to this you know this one isn't on me there is definitely that element in him that heimdall confirms very very chaotic character you could say mm-hmm at all oh you are here to help people hmm no no you are here to help yourself to manipulate and lie to whoever you have to to get what you want i know you're young your voice probably dropped while you were climbing the wall but what a twisted little soul you have you are chaos in a spiffy archer suit i watch your mouth move and i see cities burning pretty interesting line isn't it yeah i think good is going to come from you being an ascolt to aid the all father and have no treacherous intent i guess that makes us allies wow that's almost as impressive as boulder taming a dragon boulder had the luxury of not caring how badly i kind of like the idea that the reason boulder of all people tamed the dragon is because what was it gonna do kill him like it's not gonna do that it's not as impressive you know dominate them fair and square and yeah i love the idea that he says i dominate them fair and square when you're the person in this world that has the power you have like he sees it as hey i i sort them out with out thinking them whoa are these all asier gods what you think all the asier gods but skilder told me that oh well if skilder told you clearly whoever that is must be the authority on asier gods not the asier god you are currently talking to you literally know nothing of our culture do you i know lots of things i know a giant built that wall a giant built the wall that keeps out the giants frame third son of thompson i know the whole story really i truly cannot wait for you to regale me with the revisionist tales of asguards architectural history that owns which is a pretty interesting set of lines to have we had a theory that a lot of the stories mamir and raya would have told i doubt that the people in as god would appreciate them for their accuracy yeah like yeah okay sure and a lot of characters make reference to how like why do you believe these stories being told by people who hate us yeah it's really cool that they put this in here because of course they wouldn't say like oh yeah odin did kill all these people of course he did it's like come on so this is another interesting moment too right do you think the all father needs to puff himself up like some mortal chieftain i guess not that is the great large which the all father built with his own hands i'm sorry if that is a letdown for you real power you see does not need to flaunt it emerges when the time is right don't you agree it's a pretty meta line about asgard everyone expects asgard to be a particular way thanks to other media yeah this this media was like no the the if you understand the odin in this game he ain't going to be building giant golden towers wouldn't make sense yeah so uh it's almost like the game is trying to calm you down because a lot of people freaked out they were like ah where's my great and i was actually still like at this point it's like maybe this is still a trickery from i said maybe there's like a maybe there's like a big old palace somewhere but no that's that's it you discover a lot of odin's character as presented is authentic to a degree uh and yeah he does not care to have golden towers no it's still a nice place though like yeah yeah it's very cozy i mean i it's pretty gorgeous i would say yeah especially for the time i think uh it'd be cool to look around i'd go drink some meat there yeah hey whoa i thought we were going to odin you see the thing is that you too isn't that so i am not letting you anywhere here see all that was boring guess who's next you sure you want to keep up on the waiting funny thing i am sure yes i'm feeling very sure that in fact how is that didn't work i am really screwed now you're not gonna stop me from being odin you'll be seeing from your great so the retort doesn't come out because i was in wolf mode yeah i'll replay this now without the wolf just because i don't know how much i want to reward the game for making that happen but yeah that moment atreus is supposed to say something back but i guess what you could do is bark right now that's a big special move like that the uh the special move made the arrow bounce from heimdall to the next target which is gold topper at the time but that he says wow real animal lover shooting everyone like he's not even in the fight you're not gonna stop me from seeing odin you'll be what that doesn't even make sense like i repeated it just to get the line out and that's his response yeah i mean i do have to say logi i am profoundly unimpressed you should probably stay down he's all father's guest i thought i smelled something take one more step you're not gonna like how this ends really how do you intend to stop me look into my eyes you tell me you're a sick man logi god fuck his dead body um yeah it was a pretty like a little time we get with thorn how much for the pressure he makes yeah he's very very imposing is what was what sorry the use of his theme there is oh yeah and uh the expressions as well once again just be it like seriously try me i've done it the mood he never in the mood he's always upset yeah it's so great just look in my eyes and you tell me and it's like uh which yeah i should have at this point maybe give away what's going on with heimdall but odin's about to explain it and yeah having odin arrived just being like hey logi it's kind of it's kind of like okay okay all right we're just gonna not acknowledge you know what just happened there i am i see you've met heimdall he reads minds for me the boy is false all father this young man who is my guest is covered in mud care to explain means to betray you is that true logi you're a little trickster i'm just messing around of course he means to betray me hi i'm gone it's fucking fucking love that scene it's so funny it turns around and have no move to the other side it's like he's like of course he means to betray me hi i can believe that fucking pissed the hell out of him like what you were right there man why did you move over there and then yeah just uh the little playful like yeah of course he's here to betray me why would he come here he's like my enemy and this this recognition of that by the way makes odin almost immediately much more interesting than the nil he's just like oh my god okay all right yeah okay this sounds like a smarter approach than a lot of characters may have given he's on the ball yep why else would have given him no reason to trust me not yet but he's got some very big questions oh yeah actually this is uh this is this is what exemplifies the reason why the atreus sections are valuable how often are you going to be able to find a situation where kratos can interact with odin thaw heimdall many other people and what kind of interactions exactly because the reality is when it comes to if you're good at writing stories uh like the people who wrote this story um you recognize that ultimately there's only so many times that the protagonist and antagonist can meet each other in a situation like this that doesn't end in a fight where one of them you know gets killed yeah um just based on the nature of the conflict and the character's perspectives on each other but using atreus is really valuable just because of the role that he plays uh and how he's more connected to the north side of things than kratos is just gives us opportunities to in the ensuing you know scenes do so much work with odin that would otherwise be very difficult to facilitate narratively what are you up to dismissed go loudly uh yeah why are you gonna feel like that it's more but like you know why was thaw just standing there it's like because he's waiting for orders yeah yeah and then he's just like good fuck off and he's like yeah okay yeah sure whatever it's like okay then you could have just said that nicely just um that relationship clean yourself up a little glad the bad guy he's right there yeah he's got a bow right now heimdall will you just relax this thing atreus is as fascinated as we are it's just like yeah what is this dynamic odin is like putting me above these guys the idea of telling a guy who could read people's minds heimdall could you just relax he's like but no he's gonna get you man see it's like i don't know especially because like at this moment i could imagine heimdall heimdall being like yeah i guess he doesn't he's not gonna kill you right now yeah it's like yeah i guess he's yeah not now but it's fine that was great like he asked atreus it's like you're gonna get me like first thing right now and he was like it's like i guess not nothing no they're just the little shoulder fun interactions for both he's uh yeah they're both looking at heimdall to confirm it look at the guys come on also which is which is interesting because it would be like how if you had someone who had that power that's like kind of what you do is like see don't check i'm telling the truth look at me i'll be right back gary i'm talking about stuff all righty um which though here might be a relevant question since it was one that was floated uh during the first scene already what what were people's impressions of odin now yeah even after this brief exchange when you see him in retrospect with that first scene when he's talking to different people for a different reason in a different place with different goals then you could see that this is clearly the same character who's just operating in a different scenario and so now you still see that character as he was before but of course now that the situation is different you could see why he's behaving differently but you're still interested because you haven't really you haven't been given all the information yet you still you're still very interested to see where this is going because this is a very as far as stories go and characters and everything this is very unorthodox to happen in stories right essentially you've been given this ticket to interact and speak with you know the quote-unquote the bad guys as they've been perceived throughout the story and so you're you're all ears to see what's going to happen next especially to learn about odin this villain wait now i i sorry go for oh i was i was i liked him from a get go i mean i know nothing to expect really to be honest i was just like oh see how he's gonna look like i i didn't expect a particular look from odin so it's just like checking out what's going on and when he came it's like oh that's kind of noisy that kind of mobster like i kind of like this because i don't know anything about the mythical side of the lore or whatever so it's just like yeah i can tell what it looks like in his temperament yeah i think i was in a similar position in that i didn't mind what they were gonna do like there wasn't you know like and then by this point in the story there's very much the sort of what are you what's what's your game what are you what are you up to yeah what's going on because especially here right this is a way less confrontational interaction when the first time that we met him it was pretty tense like pretty clearly whereas already by having by having heimdall be the one who attacks him and is causing trouble and then odin immediately steps in to protect him it's just de-escalate immediately yeah if you consider it the thing in the beginning it's like i just want peace you know i'm just you know i just want this deal and now it's just de-escalating everything and even even though heimdall is like like basically his right hand i think is the idea he is right because he can do the the whole mind stuff saying hey he's gonna betray you and everything he's like yeah whatever but he's just not gonna be doing that now i'm gonna need to talk to him and make him trust me the thing with you maybe try to do the things like oh maybe maybe he does just one piece maybe i mean we never really get the side of the ace here and now we get the side of the ace here but and they i know this all seems pretty chill so far except heimdall he's a prick i there's there's that working in the scene as well i think it's i think the the simple thing though is that the game knows that you're going to be looking at all of this wondering like yeah but like you're lying right yeah because characters at this point who you have who you very much like and trust have all said that he's a liar and so everything he's saying to an around atreus it's like hmm are you trying to nudge him in a particular direction what is the objective behind each line of dialogue because he seems like a person who is despite being quite disarming is like very selective with the words that he uses yes and the things as you know the notions that he gives people's minds you just can always have in the back your head though if he tells you snow is white he's lying he's lying your boy mamiya the best bro in gaming and if he says that like yeah he's you know it's kind of hard to move past that also like this this was like a good example of uh with all four of these characters i guess there was left um that all four of these characters are so distinct from one another oh yeah nobody grew up like they're trading on anybody else's shoes because we got odin the sort of sly manipulator of course heimdall is like the most cynical fuck that there is like just complete asshole and then you've got Thor who's in a lot of ways like really understated in his uh in how intimidating he is but then there's also dynamic when him and yeah like his presence is it's so interesting they do so much work with him and so little time and already we're getting more of the dynamics between odin and thaw that odin is the boss orders him around meanwhile thaw is very uh no not passive but submissive basically yeah that's kind of some underrated like he's tired he looks he looks like he's he's seen a lot jojo that uh yeah the dogs are freaking out they're dogs tired of your bullshit apparently she's she's tired of the chihuahua's bullshit okay his fault though he's a very passionate latino what's the what's the crazy saga going on on the other end of the mic it's a poodle fighting with the chihuahua that's all that's out like a bit of rivalry here stretching back to the beginning of time i think it's more that the chihuahua loves the poodle and the poodle is upset about the fact that she's not as strong as the chihuahua so she tries to scare him that was a poodle not as strong as a chihuahua oh no it's a teacup poodle and he's a um yeah he's he's he's anything well but she's like she's like five pounds and he's seven so teacup poot oh one of those things yeah i don't know she's like that those were wolves once it might be a good time to plug my instagram it's basically a puppy instagram it's mark the cyborg i was uh i was listening by the way you win some chore but uh i find it super interesting as well that uh this is everything odin wanted uh he sent boulder to get atreus that's what was going on in that whole game or at least maybe not fully known to him at the time exactly what he was after but we find out by the end of the game it was atreus that he wanted and now atreus has come to him this is this is top everything this is everything he wants and you've got hindal getting in the fucking way but yeah of course this is finally a little bit frustrating the fact that thore showed up do you really think thore would have shown up on his own to protect atreus like no he was sent by odin yeah of course this is kind of predictable possibly that hindal would make the mistake of being like dude i can read him he's not good he's not your friendly it's like i know he's not my friend he only did to his dad he only done to my son like yes i know i know all of this but i need something from him and uh i like that he introduces himself as someone who can answer atreus's questions he's immediately putting it on him that like you need me you want me so hey how about a partnership but uh yeah as you guys said as well just keep in mind whatever one has said about him get out of here get out of here we hindal is like okay i guess oh he takes that last look at last look at atreus he's his eyes i will yeah i want to talk about it a bit more but i'm gonna wait but i think that's very important hindal we've not seen that attitude with hindal for fucking you'd never expect that but that's how much he's got respect for odin pretty interesting he's a lot i know very perceptive but sometimes he just forgets to think you know oh and i've seen a lot of it in chat it's the idea of like i really like this guy this character even the look matches him but he ain't odin that sort of attitude and it's just like okay oh tell me how odin is i mean there's an expectation of what odin should be um and i just uh i just don't it's it's hard to sometimes put into words but you guys know chat you know what if i have to say about adaptation and if you're gonna be adapting one of the oldest like known stories we have you know compared to like all of the stuff we have within the last hundred years even uh yeah we would have no problem with stretching and pulling in different directions um and it's just a matter of yeah uh it seems that you've already answered my question but if i said if norse mythology never existed and you were watching this story unfold you'd have no problem right or if his name was john instead of odin you'll be fine um but i'm not going to deny people have expectations and so i can't deny how you feel about it i just think uh i wouldn't want it to get in the way of how fucking great this characterization is yeah i'm just always interested to see different interpretations of characters it would be kind of boring to always see them as the same with the same attitudes and aesthetics to see different takes on characters and you know what i can't piss welcome i can i i i piss someone off no matter what i already had messages being like why do you keep saying this odin is nothing like the norse one i'm like what i don't i don't know what the door is like i just keep getting told things about it look everyone's an expert are those people are those same people saying that anthony hopkins is odin so that's uh i told the story on um i told the story on metals ford right but i'll tell it again here because it's fucking great i'm watching drinker play the game and he's going through someone says hey what do you think of the 2018 one he was like loved it thought it was awesome um and he said one of the things he really likes about it is how authentic it feels to norse mythology that triggered some people excuse me excuse me and you went uh you know a couple of messages and one of them said you have no idea how much this disrespects the norse mythology Thor is a hero of the people odin is a wise like you know uh man who like binds the realms together and uh Loki is a fucking evil son of a bitch they've got everything backwards and they've disrespected the hell out of it all and i was i was listening and i had the same reaction as drinker we was like okay i didn't know that like fair enough okay and we just move on it's like fine yeah another message comes in saying that last super chatter is full of shit Thor is not a man of the people in mythology Thor would kill someone with like a second look that sort of thing and the drinker again is just like okay very well that is the mythology sure uh whatever you say and then the final super chat comes in saying norse mythology doesn't agree with norse mythology about what norse mythology is about this is like okay and all of these people are absolute experts they've read all of the primary sources i'm sure of that they have very like thorough interpretations of what these characters should be they're definitely not going off of wikipedia articles well and of course the familiarity with all of the different translations right of different texts throughout time and the understanding of the differences between those translations and how they might meaningfully affect yeah of course they've of course got a really strong understanding of translation theory and how different translations will capture the tone and register of the original works you know differently and how that can affect interpretation i'm sure they've considered all of that it's bad enough right we have people who disagree on how luke should be characterized from a film in the in the 80s to a film that came 20 years later however long fuck it whatever i i don't care about time my point is we have people disagreeing like that to create like huge fandom splits over whether or not it's it's right how in the world are we ever going to get an answer on whether or not the thought of how big thaws belly should be for example it's like that's the stories that was told hundreds of years ago around campfires and some of which were translated some of which were written down at different points in time and then translated at different points in time in different languages like i don't know man it's just weird like a non-standard in pop culture perception uh depiction of Norse mythology comes along and suddenly everyone's a folklorist i don't know i know i am yeah just um just don't ask me about where i got it from it kind of absorbed it i watched a lot of marble to be fair hmm i've heard they name it yeah that sucks because thaws looks like chris hemsworth except that one movie where he was a bit chubby um he still looked like chris hemsworth though yeah he did still look like chris hemsworth he looked like chris hemsworth in the facts wait a minute i can appreciate that you know chris you know put that much effort into gaining all of that weight for the role you know it just shows how dedicated he is you know it's to the crowd he's not christian you understand how much fortnite christian fail so anyway yeah okay what a cool way to travel eilish yeah so how'd your father take the news that you decided to accept my invitation i don't think we should talk about my father not well huh can't blame him what a way to save that conversation like instead of being like ah so we have limits on what we can discuss he went oh boy i don't you know like like as if he gave him a stronger answer it's just like it it welcomes you back into the conversation if you almost dejected it it is a lot of what odin says uh i didn't mention it i meant to in his first conversation where when he refers to mamiya he says can't the smartest head alive tell blah blah blah everyone he calls himself the smartest man alive calling him the smartest head alive he's like oh i mean it's actually a little bit more offensive because it's like of course he is he's only fucking one at least as far as we know um yeah a lot of a lot of dismissive and insulting language that's almost sneaked into the actual words that he uses uh we'll get a lot of that and this is the thing you don't get much of odin relative to let's say kratos but they use their time very specifically and he's not actually alive i mean undead is what mamiya is right i think is that what he's classified as um yeah uh probably this is the first dead and then through a magic bullshit he came back to life so i would i'd assume yeah oh yeah and he calls him a retired god of war you can interpret that one his wife and my disgruntled former employee he's not exactly getting an unbiased view but you you're curious open minded that's important priest mist carry on pretend i'm not here if i'm being honest with you lopie you're lucky my office still stands after you went and sprung tear wait but i suppose spending time with him is punishment enough isn't it at least my mirror never lost his sense of humor super interesting he's talking about them this casually with everything we know yeah he did to them like like uh it's annoying to spend time with tears there's like the guy i rescued from you that you tortured for thousands of years or whatever the fuck like yeah i'm sure yeah like yeah lamal yeah but he's making it all appear much softer and he even turned that into a a concession on his part something he gave like you're a lie i'm allowing that and i'm still giving you this but look that's all behind us now i like to keep looking forward hey hey hey i want them trained not decapitated just keep it below the neck all right is that really what you do when i'm not here all father queen gnaw the ain harrier are ready for your blessings that's why i'm here isn't it huh yes there's a new valkyrie queen great soldiers these ain harrier they tend to come out of valhalla a little foggy i do what i can for them help them remember who they were in life that's important don't you think a sense of identity almost like he's toying with atreus or that line he knows that's what he's after as well sense of identity what i'm offering by being here there's things meaning someone said i've heard this called the ceo din scene yeah that's heaven he's like you're kevin now and she's like but but i'm but i'm too like i don't want to be kevin no maxi sorry you're like oh god we have a density quickly kill ourselves just jump over a little bit then ah good those are for him i understand you're an avid reader these are just a few things for my personal collection uh thanks just a hand for david there great you know great work david coming in he doesn't have a big part in this game but i mean he nailed it coming in he's got the books drops him in exit stage right i mean i really want to just get on you kevin you excellent job i just want to make sure that someone yeah he needs to know that someone out there appreciated him so i've seen some criticism of david uh they didn't like the body language i think that's a fair interpretation i think he did pretty well i i think that it just it he's i he's on duty he's a librarian not necessarily a people person he's doing his job does it well he's a no frills kind of guy he's very utility focused i appreciate that good job david excellent yeah you do good work here thanks you're again those better not be mushrooms i smell listen i appreciate your offer but i'm really not sure what you're expecting from me right now you're just visiting loki one step at a time steady there carl but with all respect you need to know i came to study not to serve another servant is the last thing i need i need someone with drive with curiosity someone will take initiative that looks good is that braised but why me is it because i'm half giant big deal so store airland try to stay awake for me okay but look don't overthink it i have a project i think you'll be interested in a major learning opportunity for a buck bus what about my family my friends i need to know nobody's gonna get hurt why would i hurt anybody atrocious all i've been asking for from the start if you recall look you're here now stop worrying it's all gonna be fine almost to your room my room yep just over here feel free to come and go take what you need poke around as you please you're not my prisoner and more importantly i'm not your father i find that line fascinating not just because he's called your father but it's almost like i'm not your father therefore i'm not gonna restrict you yep exactly hey isn't isn't that fun isn't that tempting like it's said in such a casual and friendly way you're not my prisoner everyone's chill isn't this great you're great come on all father there's a situation that needs your attention sir you missed welcoming our new house guest say hello to Loki this is him here in our home how nice my diplomat i love that my diplomat it's like he's calm as you got how fucking shit that was how nice do you try a little harder everything all right new midgard the refugees are fine the situation is with the dwarves you know who is back and it's always something put those books down we got another stop to make sure i'm here where it's pretty great by the way there is he oh just over there all other sir so the reason that cut is because fucking original recording some random noises started happening on my pc for like notifications are just like fuck the seat up so it's like great bags jeff it's been too long what's the issue now no issue at all if you're trying to build volatile death traps i approve these designs personally and not all that recently i might add did you just wake up with the urge to be a pain in my ass yeah who's the kid you're training book pockets you know what berlin you reek of cheap meat and that is by far your most endearing characteristic now listen up it's me your entire economy speaking i want you to know that i have confidence in you confidence you can deliver me these machines as promised on time on budget and of course safely the dwarves have never let me down and they're not about to start now right good a lot of what was just said can be seen as pretty like chill and positive but there's just threats everywhere oh yeah um and a lot of power moving around though when he said i gave these designs myself and not all that recently like the implication being you're taking a fucking long time to make these guys and uh darlin's not stupid enough to like he knows what's being said and yeah your entire economy speaking is just a pretty great line too yeah this is grip on svartlfheim which you do get a lot of information on in the mimea side mission with this place have you ever looked around in odin's office because you can you can see some of those plans for these weapons on his desk lying around kind of neat oh i did love the ground but i didn't see them okay i'm going to let you catch your breath when you're ready to get to work and start getting those answers meet me in my study down the hall and help yourself to a change of clothes whoa loki right gotta say the irony of this isn't lost on me this was his room you know his my brothers your brother modi ah your brother really i had no idea uh-huh and now it's yours enjoy third door's not there relax you've got some pretty small shoes to fill we're better off without him okay trust me walk with me uh don't forget your sword i don't want to clean that up oh any thoughts about this new character get another well seems to be jokey uh at first but then it's like oh no we don't don't worry we're actually better off without him but clearly bothered by her brother being dead of course yeah she's holding his um his shield when she said yeah exactly um but yeah uh this is all very confusing and interesting it's like how much of this is true how much is this bullshit and yeah are you here because you were sent are you saying things because you were told to or are you saying this because this is what you believe what is detrace supposed to make of all of it yeah and the fact that yeah magnum modi didn't exactly seem like uh nice people necessarily but it would have been her family yeah still family exactly well i guess it's just interesting when we know that thor is furious uh it was pretty clear that syph was unhappy about all of this too yet through it is uh obviously like not clearly right like when she's saying yeah we don't you know we're better off without them it's like well you say that but like you're obviously pretty upset about it but the fact that she's even willing to be friendly to uh attrace at all is interesting right of all the people that he's encountered the only people who've been friendly to him so far odin who yeah he doesn't trust and and throod who seems like way less likely to be a very deceptive person so uh what kind of sword is that it's new one of a kind my father gave it to me for valkyrie training you're in valkyrie training got time to talk about it i was just heading to the great hall but if you need to go to work grandfather study is just down those stairs that's my room used to be magnies i guess i'm moving up you know that valkyrie poster as well and then you see that i think it's the time no i don't know if they had posters back then fine not a poster i think that that was a valkyrie weapon on the yeah you can tell she's moved in recently because magnie stuff is still in here yeah so how do you become a valkyrie first i train till i'm the best i can be then i wait till grandfather notices and then i hope he and my dad can convince mom it's okay you know my father and i we encountered a whole bunch of valkyries encountered where promises tell me everything i promise mother did you meet loki oh now he's got you involved with this involved with what i'm being friendly isn't that diplomacy you understand who this is right what his father did why does he want him here we'll talk about this later sorry about her moms right so did you want to look around some more or do you really need to get to work i think i may not have cut this properly is all of this we all agree that sif is this game's best girl though wow picking it picking it over please do not involve me in your pathetic attempts to impress oh fray is a better character come on you haven't had enough heimdall in your day let's go i understand i think i might actually have accidentally cut out heimdall dialogue there um oh well uh we just i'm not i'm not everything is here i'm afraid wow you failed us it looks like i left in and cut out the wrong things yeah the wrong one do you see me nodding and saying yes i understand do you see nothing yes yes all right mm-hmm you see this is you not letting me talk no hugan i i don't need my ears clean i need you to stop croaking and and and i accept the answer you know i'm about to give i was just looking at this that old thing i've had that since huh hope you remember you you have a name ingrid really sure why not take it if you like it that much for real consider it a perk of the job thank you i mean really and they say man i'm gonna sound nice wow come on let's walk a guy yeah even says people say i'm the bad guy okay so another use of the uh uh the asgard theme there oh wait you're welcome wait no i don't know yeah that's um yeah something's developing isn't it yeah he's got a square button ability now everyone's got me all very similar to another service he drives me or power well nah never have you know what drives me what i really want i want answers same as you see mortals have it easy when they push up against life's big questions they can look to us they give them meaning divine comfort we both know that's a sham but when we have questions why are we here they give meaning to mortals while living without it ourselves no i'm more than that and i found something that proves it no we're important how neat is that i don't even know that i've come across that motivation before a god who's upset that he doesn't have meaning despite providing it to other people yeah what's the point at all what a great idea like yeah mortals get the the the afterlife but what do i get who am i why am i here yeah good stuff we've got another character in this game a pretty main character asking those same questions what is it it's what drives me you feel it don't you feels like knowledge truth i want to chat just said great but it goes nowhere all right then i'm not even sure what i'm going to say to that i know what i'll say i'll then we'll show you where it goes don't you worry we'll show you where it goes yeah all truth all the answers we could find out why we're here learn how to change our fate stop ragnarok for good maybe save the people we love i was a young god when i found it i spent lifetimes studying it following every clue down every dead end looking for and finally unearthing this see that the chance the same mystical energy it opened a crack can we just look inside i wouldn't recommend that what's the broken mask for you recognize any writing on it these aren't from the nine realms obsidian ispitha from smoldered earth and obsidian spark and a field of battles never fought are you certain because if that's the clue i know what it means and what's that keep working with me and find out you don't have to kill anyone you don't have to betray your father or yourself come on i know you felt what i felt the answers are in there let's get them i mean you translated this language like it was nothing if i do help you what's next door get down here all father don't do that don't do that what's next is chasing this down this is really good take this and this stealthy side of beef i don't be stealthy side of the thing is catch that draw from it though is he's on call and willing to do everything he says in a moment's notice and what does he do the first thing insult him like yeah okay um and as well like considering all the stories we've gotten in 2018 about um odin's different deceptions a lot of them come down to his interest in that person having stuff he wants be it a mamiya describes how he wanted to make deals different people to get access to whatever magic they know the prophecies they're aware of like all of it has some relation to having access to abilities or knowledge that he does not have um and you're already seeing it here the fact that you're saying like nothing nothing comes above us being able to get whatever is in this whatever we can draw from this we can we can sacrifice everything else we don't need to do any of that shit with warring or uh betraying or anything else just just let's just work together and get this and then oh comes across really genuine doesn't doesn't seem like a lie i don't promise anything nonsense happy hunting and you go easy on him you hear me moose bar the rest of the mask is here we're all fathered dropness what do you think take that do your damn job or is not thrilled up there i'm excited because it's getting more forced i'm yeah to be sort of be around them and have them around and can you see the uh the saturation has just crashed i can't see that i don't notice it for i think like 10 minutes so you have to wait let's we can reach if we too slow hey you can't just grab a lot better now that no what else i throw you you know i think uh this looks a little too sickly um i think the colors are a little too explodey it's not perfect i'm not just over totally gray though which is kind of no i i get there's a happy balance i assume it's just that i don't i think this is a little too much mooseful heim isn't it cool it is it is indeed and isn't it cool lava land i have these two specifically yeah it looks more like hell than hell heim um yeah classic hell as opposed to Norse how is all cold and misty and spooky from your father for what happened to my sons but i haven't taken it from you yet yeah that's the thing i meant earlier don't want to keep the all right you want to talk about blood payment what about the giants you killed they were my family thom war ronaire they were your people too the giants were blight on the nine realms and i referenced every single one of their deaths let's just change the subject you know uh last time father and i were here we beat everyone at surter's trials i think you could don't play really feels like atreus was gonna go the way of like you know what there's reason for me to be annoyed at you and the second entry good thory's like nope that's not a good way to go all right we'll try something else man yeah stop right there listen moody had some problems but he was my son and the only reason you aren't mush right now is because of that broken piece of wood look clearly neither of us can do this mission alone and i want to impress the all father just as much as you do you don't have to like me but we're gonna have to trust each other just a little bit trust form overall but not aggressive enough in my opinion you're more than welcome to step it up this is me trusting you i wasn't playing you by the way the trials are fun don't you ever have fun they're so different from your daughter she said come look at this i saw you spot this on your stream melody baby like oh yeah that crab is where that guy's helmet yeah look at him grab wait surter's trying you didn't die over there did you no but i was thinking well that's your problem the trials are just past that look might be something you do first we deal with them the all fathers waited hundreds of winters he can wait a little more it's fun fine stay right here yes sir you trust the ace here i mean i know i can't trust them i just need them to trust me that's only gonna happen if they think i trust them yeah my father and i visited this place the last time we were in moose bond feels like forever ago hey garbota you know for someone who is trained as a warrior you are tragically easy to startle i i i didn't what are you doing here a girl can't visit a shrine of her own delicious you're fighting in the background yeah here are sorters marble maybe between line trash you're the shrine you're out looking for more giant marbles you know what this looks like right two of them like the life story of one of our people and also maybe a storage closet no this looks an awful lot like to find destiny yeah where was this written angrabuda yeah don't think it's worth bringing up because it was mentioned at some point but atreus talking to the sword as though it's uh as friend yeah i think i think i mentioned that in our first play well our when i watched it with you that first time i was like you're opening up to this this sword that he gave you real quickly i think it's partly to do with the whole atreus gets a sense of what a thing is much better than anyone else does uh it's like intention and nature and where it's sitting where it's landing and stuff hence is uh often walking into talking to people that people are like what the fuck you're doing and it was um tied up when he met it um but i still think you should probably have some level of concern yeah the short side of the sword so it was my mirror is like what the fuck have i been teaching you all these years come on man mm-hmm is what are you doing here are you writing my story i didn't gave that to you it's not whoa oh it is worth mentioning it does come up later but there is commentary from kratos about atreus is trusting of people and he explains something about that that we haven't mentioned yet he did but it's not i'm not working within i would never tell him anything about iron wood that's where you're worried about i'm definitely not serving him it's prophecy's words not mine i've got a marble to find her attitude is weird there fun are you sure you're up for breaking the rules like this there aren't any prophecies of you collecting any marbles our endings haven't been written right come on shame sin mara don't think i've heard of her before and here comes herder wow looks like they even became friends uh good friends um love caused them to combine into some kind of huge creature ragnarok and then ragnarok destroys asgard right i'm gonna hang back here don't want your uh friend to see a giant he missed of course just be careful please you too looky hey engard i think thordai from oh of course i admit that was i could have done that at any time i was trusting you think that impressive real god still you are a god you're damn right and so am i it's here this is the spot but where is it in the lava dammit some advice sticking your hand in lava is never gonna feel good i wasn't thinking good it's better that way all right it's gonna be me again isn't it interesting that those those two lines follow each other don't think you know don't do it but also like using my intellect i know that you were trying to screw with me back there yeah trying to try to mislead me yeah because he's not stupid thord is not stupid at all i'm still a giant and i'll rebel to kill you too what did you do loki the riff got brighter look you did it look one of these phrases is complete now we can read it all but you can't translate not yet see i got a little theory i think if we can find the rest of this we can use it to look into that without you know losing an eye or worse look at this we make a good team don't we don't we make a good damn team just like you bother oh yeah we're gonna begin with that one uh tells you a lot about what's going through thord's head right now which is he's not happy why isn't he yeah of course he's having to hang around with a kid who's directly responsible for one of his son's deaths and was totally there when the other one died uh oh as well as his brother and was forced to go on a fucking adventure with him uh to get things for odin and now he's watching his dad talk about how great he makes a team with this fucking kid in front of me his son who does everything for him does everything he wants and so he tells him hey kind of said the same thing about someone else remember that guy the guy went fucking nuts the guy who's dead as a result of your orders yeah wasn't that great the guy who you haven't avenged at all let you know about that meanwhile odin's thinking why the hell did you just fucking say that that's just sabotaging me building a relationship with the one thing i've wanted to get this whole time what are you doing arden doesn't give a shit how four feels nope and uh just doesn't factor his perspective into it at all and if anything he's just like why the hell are you sabotaging you idiot asshole um yes that is a what i'm doing here that is quite the death stare he was in quite a good mood there and then you just reminded him not only of all the stuff we just said but yes odin is pretty bitter about losing boulder that was his son yep why the fuck did you say that don't say that again that sort of shit yeah in just you know what was that three words we just achieved quite a bit i guess it was just like you and boulder that'd be five all right maybe less impressive for five but yeah uh tells you a lot about both of them with very limited words and expressions pretty good shit every we've talked about it so many times at this point but achieving multiple things with the one line of dialogue is just indicative of great writing when you can advance the plot you can have it laden with subtext while also more overtly revealing character motivations and being tethered to thematic elements and like throughout the game there's just so many lines that are incredibly strong and we've got so much more story left and if you compare this to something like rings of power right we have all these lines that are trying so hard and they do nothing but confuse and make you scratch your head or they just do damage to characters but oh they they try to be so grandiose and meaningful this is just this is the polar opposite of that this is that but it works um i think i'll be more confused um Thor is boulder's brother because boulder is freya and odin's son he's uh the son they had together which created a whole bunch of other problems um i in case if someone wanted clarified i believe odin likely cares about his blood um and that he cares about boulder beyond just being his closer so to speak i know that's what he called him it's just that odin is uh obviously putting certain things above others i i don't believe he literally does not care about anybody no i don't i think also he was he the the closer speech he gave while Thor was in the room and he just kind of brushed off magnate modi's death is like well those ones were self defense yeah and they were kind of useless yeah he had to give a a reason for being pissed about balder that went beyond he was my son because then thor would be like well they were my son so well i i'm not even sure i think it's just i think he's speaking pretty honestly there which is that like he does value some people more than others even though they're all his family and he's much more he's incredibly open about those preferences yeah like he obviously preferred balder to thor like that's pretty obvious pre-have out there Thor was really great i learned a lot from him you learned something from him really now okay what did you teach the kid nothing what could i possibly teach him exactly man exactly he says i was wondering with yeah it feels like there's there's so much animosity to the point where it's just like you're my tool nothing more nothing less yeah like Thor's beaten down worn down after how long hearing these sorts of things from his own dad mm-hmm it's just yeah it's uh yeah odin is uh anime with that right and also you know like a father-son relationships pretty pretty important part of a important part of this story and it would seem that odin and Thor's relationship is going to be relevant in terms of parallels to be drawn or not necessarily parallels but rather contrasts to be drawn between kredos and atreus compared to these two yeah and the effect just generally because it's a freya emboldened the effects your parentage has on the results of a kid thorn magnion marty to and third where that went actually i had a pretty good idea change of heart i'm not really sure why i came to asgard but i realize now it wasn't to be a spy i need you to know you can trust me and if i'm gonna help you take this to the end i need to be able to trust you and trust is earned i get it take this figure out the rest of if you're staying that is you're gonna tell me what you're really looking for in there translate that and i'll tell you everything and on that young man you can trust me you always this heart on thore seems like you're mad at him or something oh getting nosy getting personal no i get it but it's nothing like that it's well to be honest it's the only language he understands i'm serious go ahead and try being nice to him see where that gets you and as much as that may very well be true judging from what atreus has been trying so far with thore still he tried to talk to him a couple of times got nothing but venom back pretty much how did that end up that way was it always that way i got it that agree i wonder if tear brought that back are you trying to make friends now well i just aided the our father you said that makes us allies yes as long as you had no treacherous you don't sometimes oh man like he he says you don't know what uh what you're doing here anymore like so what's what's cool about that as a development this is totally optional dialogue is that yeah it used to be a clear read on atreus that he's here to submit odin but he can't read that anymore he always sees the best take while all i see is what people really are nobody ever says what they mean some lie to the world some lie to themselves and don't even know it and then there is you you don't know what you want you don't even know who you are but i hope you do know this i will be watching yeah it's safe to say that as a viewer it's um we're not going to be as convinced as a trey as more than likely about odin because you know our stories work but it's it's a little bit worrying to know we have a confirmation in universe that he no longer feels the need to subvert odin yep another banger transition there that transition so weird yeah that's awesome and that ain't just any knife that's the combo of greek and norse knife yep good morning brother no news i'm afraid do you know the Nord you've hung them once could you do so again i could try but i don't see how that would help they are the fates of these lands are they not no they know you may not find them cooperative as long as i find them where do we search midgard but if atreus is an asgard there's no getting him back without an army we should be raising one yes nothing like a catastrophic war to improve the situation the boy seems quite capable perhaps if you simply give him some time you are not free of blame here it's confusion odin has stolen my son do not doubt the legs i will go to your nature has always been clear kratos but you freya that's probably one of the most aggressive sentences he's ever come up with with how we've seen him so far it doesn't sound aggressive but he was saying do not doubt the legs i'll go to is like your nature has always been clear like mm-hmm just uh yeah he seems seems a little upset even thinking about it war is a first resort that's not the freya i knew i hope the norns can give you the counsel you need perhaps mine is no longer of use here tear stop this is no time to divide ourselves further come sit please frankly i'm surprised you of all people would seek out fate but your instincts haven't let us down so far let's find the norms i'd offer him counsel i only hoped to help the boy find his answers and i failed what's my role in all this now tear you're at the center of this you always have that's why odin imprisoned you in the first place he's terrified of you i doubt that very much it's the truth and not just because of prophecies no one has ever united the realms as you once did that is not who i am anymore i know you feel that way now i've lost myself before more than once but believe me there is something beyond that and what is that purpose purpose is the path that leads you to yourself so you would have me accept my fate lead your armies into war secure your vengeance if securing our justice is not your purpose then find another for your own sake i think that conversation is very important considering how things develop with tear it's difficult to get across exactly what i mean by that i mean uh in the coming scene or two with him that that conversation helps inform some of the things he says and does i suspect we may have consequences to look forward to squirrel ah master kratos my apologies madame nithog's disappearance weighs heavily on my mind she a friend of yours less a friend than another longtime tenant of the tree she was here even before i arrived and that was ages ago to even think something could keep her away from her babies terrible just terrible about nithog you should know we had no choice it was odin's doing oh i am very well aware indeed of the alleged all father's role in this tragedy sadly there's no expecting him to clean up after himself not all gods showed the interest that you do in writing past wrongs how i've missed the easing around toss because pretty brutal little detail yeah you can obviously all of that can be missed if you are don't press triangle the right times trust and constant radar attacks so that's because they believe kratos is responsible for fimble winter and that killing him will end it where would they get an idea like that from me of course of course quiet she is a friend now better they get this from you i think that's a pretty neat detail because they would have been pretty much present every time she tries to kill them once the wolves have the scent of the norms we'll just need to follow their i will open the gate brother what exactly do you intend to ask the norms oh i may find my son nothing more you don't imagine it's a chance to clear up all this mess about prophecy perhaps get a second opinion on your alleged demise you didn't tell me you had a death prophecy when atreus and i reached yoke nine we found a hidden mural the giants they herself had foreseen our entire journey long ago who we would meet who we would fight all of it as it happened but you aren't dead that image was from a time yet to come i see you've never struck me as someone who fears death that's not the problem is it no death can have me when it earns me but maybe it's not the future that bothers you fey sent you on your journey and she made sure you'd see that image at the end of it and you're still not sure why i wish to speak with this no further well the lake of nina yeah that's right lala epic epic line ever one of the best lines of the game yeah pretty cool just on the way basically death can have me when it earns me it's like oh man and yeah just bringing up part of his insecurities related to fey she she highlights some sort of there and then he's just like okay new subject by that's not out yeah i'm doing that seem better days radars have made themselves quite at home not sure i've been back to these parts since our great battle was secret she speaks highly of that fight as well you know of that she told me all about it when she found me she believed you could be an ally long before i believed at the valkyrie queen an ally i'm the valkyrie king as seagrin was stubbornly determined to remind me i should have guessed it was seagrin helping you to cover yourself it's too loyal why have i oh oh doesn't take the love goddess to see where you're coming from quiet come here have you encountered these norms i'm not talking to my god this is right there are ways of discouraging visitation wooden made his share of efforts wouldn't talk about what he found why did he keep up or he wanted to forget what he saw there am i telling us what you experienced when you saw the norms last time to be honest the details are hazy like waking up from a dream mainly i remember that nothing could be done to change my son's fate which only made me more determined to try brother what of your story you face the fates of your homeland yeah exaggerate or not in the brazen bloodshed righteous fury part the part where it said you traveled back in time itself to win a battle once lost it's strange credulity obviously i mean a rumor about thorn knocking the world south and back in history from ragnarok is one thing it is the truth the threats of fate span all life and time the sisters of fate abused their power when i challenged them they threatened to undo my existence so i killed them and turned their power on since that's the most dangerous and irresponsible thing i've ever heard i know right it's so good it's so cool because yeah it's just been this thing about god will too we're just like that was insane this is like yeah it should be seen as insane to any character you tell like what friends have no such magic nor does anyone in these you're like imagine sin ganon explaining the mcu to these characters like no one would ever write that what a ridiculous story you said sorry this one was a what a world a realm a universe a a reality dimension yes i'm first don't forget timelines we're okay but that fourth one sucks i could you imagine if it existed orden would have it and if orden had it we'd be five shades more fucked than we are already i would not ask them to change the past even if they could i only want information and that's quite dangerous enough in my experience freya thank you for your help i know this was not your focus the sooner we find your son the sooner you'll be able to focus i just hope it works just the same thank you crates ghost of sparta weapon of the gods turned against us he chases of the devil he knows he can never deserve so those who don't know because it's not necessarily an intro that is this is the norns fucking with our characters yeah that was the intro they just gave kratos which to be honest with you more than half of it was just badass but yeah the other pieces a little bit more critical and it's interesting to think about where they would have gotten the information of the destroyer of all she would hope to protect she always finds somebody to blame she cannot change me here we go let me guess i'm a long-winded know-it-all and i cannot change see you forgot smartest man alive yay what makes it even greater is they actually don't say anything yeah it cuts them off and again normally i don't mind ladies whispering in my ear but this is positively awesome anyone ever tell you that you babble when you're terrified terrified i'll have you know i'm at the very most deeply apprehensive i'm breaking tension with humor is the sacred duty of a traveling companion pick how very dare you bablin bablin i love the semantic difference between terrified and deeply apprehensive yeah like as well as well he knows his role he does it well okay boulder listen to me please stop why did you bring him here you are not welcome wait boulder come back talk to me nobody harms my boy but me fryer brother over here come get me i want none of it why did you never turn on but i did i tried to stop him any way i could don't oh this is my mere thing i know secret it's true all of it but for love of you i became a better man an ally you're all it is not her no of course brother the dream is pulling me in atreus i am coming all i have to do and now he's mine i am here did we pass the chest didn't feel much like succeeding i see the door has disappeared or it was never there they toy with us still oh yeah um that was a pretty intense representation of all the deepest insecurities pretty much uh i appreciate the insight into all of them starting of course with fryer she believes she killed boulder uh pretty much fully at this point i imagine that she shifted a lot of it to kratos but that's gone at this point um especially that the showing her break his neck because uh yeah nobody hurts my son but me and then of course the mamiya he's got incredible guilt that he didn't act faster he took too long to become a good man that protected people helped people and the big insecurity he has is did i only help once it affected me about the only reason i did it and uh yeah and the fact that she said you assisting a violent god even now that's something he thinks what he's thinking about uh gonna come up again at some point but it's just yeah it's just these are these are huge insecurities and of course the the big one with kratos being atreus when he said he killed his family and it's like this this big ol like uh that's the one thing you would never want turned on him by atreus i think to be afraid of him because of what you did to them yeah yeah it's you like a brick when you hear it too if you know his backstory it's like oh and like like oh the disconnection he killed his family like it's like like like get away from me you're a you're a you're a monster sort of she's like ah yeah all of them having uh having deep deep deep issues and the norns obviously throwing them through all of it like a gauntlet um but maybe we can discover a little bit more about them as people what's uh what are they about kratos freya and mameer's head enter the home of the norns tentatively they have finally reached their destination kratos speaks first you know the child is an asgard no you see what all who search for us see to know the ending to your story the ghost of sparta furrows his brow menacingly he resists the urge to grunt oh he fails he fails you come to us piteous archetypes seeking freedom from your scripts as if knowing your lines would grant you the power to rewrite them speak plain you will die kratos of sparta but you called him the destroyer fate there must be a waitress of that destiny there is no destiny park the protagonists are speechless they do not understand there is no grand design no script only the choices you make that your choices are so predictable merely make us seem prudent when my son was born shut up your prophecy said he would die a needless death and he did because you could not let him go because he thirsted for revenge and because you kill gods but what kratos did it was not out of hate oh should i bring him a crown then he still slays gods but now he's sad about it you are the sum of your choices nothing more and because your choices never change you will learn that heimdall intends to kill your son and as god and you will do what you do best and then ragnarall the skies burn the curtains fall eggs zoomed on me again he misses the point focusing on the second act to the exclusion of the final a common mistake in storycraft we are leaving he stomps away followed closely by freya i enjoyed your story kratos pity it has to end so soon wow that was educational dude the music what yeah music is great what an interesting take on prophecies and yeah basically people fulfilling prophecies it's not it's not just the we know what's gonna happen and here it is like no we're going by the nature of you guys and your choices are so obvious every time that we just can have a very good guess what is going to happen because you never change your your choices it's not a prophecy it's an educated guess yeah it's safe to assume they have a very unique and powerful understanding of people like and that's what gives them access to more almost deterministic look at at the world that no one else will be able to do but what they've said is pretty much one of the most common understandings of how all this shit works you're pretty easy to predict a lot of people are in certain circumstances in fact uh we've talked about this before but they'll be sometimes there'll be news and i i see it and i read it and i'm like that is you know blah blah and i'm like can't wait to tell you know for any metal rags or whoever about this even though i'm pretty sure i know exactly what they're gonna say like uh because i know them pretty well but it doesn't matter because like it's just uh it's fun to experience and share and stuff but you know they know them well enough that this this is it i think it's really cool that the only thing creators really took from this or seemed to was the information that heimdall is going to kill atreus he's not paying attention to what they're trying to say about how well yeah like they focused on the second act like on the middle to the exclusion of the end he's so focused on that that the consequences of committing to a certain course of action are just sort of out of his mind and yet you'd be and yet people are surprised when those outcomes happen it's uh yeah and then like you're the sum of your choices which is that's just another one of those we are reinforcing a certain theme that has already been established we are we are building it up we're just adding more elements to it and uh reading it ahead of time is just interesting i love how the nonce intends to kill and everyone remembers kills like like it's set in stone that heimdall will kill atreus and so he has to stop it as opposed to realizing saying he intends to kill him it's no different than he intends to kill you like uh he intends to kill a lot of people i'd imagine there's a lot of intent i mean and that's the other thing critter's not familiar with heimdall doesn't realize how much like he's under control he doesn't realize the scenario and as god all he's been told and he's laser focused on it and that is kratos at the core he's he's spoken before about how atreus being safe is basically number one it trumps everything but he's come so far in these games from the man he was in the first three games that it's like uh the the norms are basically saying he's just it's another format for the exact same results uh everything fucking dies intention to execute an action and actually executing that action are two very different things i intended to date a lot of girls in high school oh failed successfully failed uh but yes uh what i think a big takeaway from what they said isn't very disagreeable it's just not what you want to hear yeah you never you never want to hear the whole oh no that's just i mean you did this to you what do i want me to say yeah and uh i like that mamiya remembered in their summary of him he's the destroyer of fate but the thing is i think it's safe to assume what they read out is everyone's description of themselves and uh of course what they think of themselves yeah kratos is raging against fate throughout this game the concept of it and and he did kill the sisters of fate so you know like he's gonna count for something he did that not sure how he pulled that off considering they have access to all of time but hey it reminds me of uh which is a model combat game where you kill the god of time at the end of it maybe i don't remember no i mean mainly asking fringy i think he's the only person who might know oh i'm sorry i'm sorry i certainly i'm not asking you yeah some which game which model combat game do you kill the god of time at the end uh that was 11 yeah because that game makes no sense at all yeah i remember just fighting because i watched a story summary of it and i found that fucking hilarious that you're battling the god of time like in a model combat um how yeah and she loses yeah like nice um but yes uh the nons i think especially after the comments we just heard about god of war 2 this just feels like a way better version of what the fates were all about because god of war 2 is all about the sisters of fate for the most part that's what the main story is about getting to and using um the nons represent a small part of this story but i think they're way better uh approach to the concept yep most of what i understand about the sisters of fate in god of war 2 it just sounds like we're funny i'll give them a they're funny that tree well isn't that interesting what is this that's the noose brother the one odin hanged himself with as part of his endless mad quest for secrets of life and death and what have you what are you doing it's a charged object significant to odin perhaps i'll find a use for it brother what they said about the boy will not happen oh i agree it will not happen we will not let it of course we bloody won't the question is how you wouldn't seriously consider killing hindal would you i will do what i must oh is that all you're wrong to dissuade him the mere you know hindal i grant you that he's a spiteful vicious little shit and so loyal odin entrusted him if we have the chance to allow that's no joke by the way galahong you read its law when you are in odin's office it's like one of the most powerful things ever and odin's just got it with hindal that means odin trusts hindal like incredibly yeah um it's interesting to think about eliminate him before radnarok we shouldn't hesitate considering his powers of foresight alone that is an if of mountainous size even supposing we're all perfectly comfortable plotting an assassination and i for one am a might rusty at that measure we've got no way to reach hindal and no way to kill him if we did i have killed god greater than him i don't doubt that brother but it's hardly my point look i think we're missing the known's message here we've all got our tendencies and yours is to run a headlong into danger to protect the ones you love i do not intend to change not about that why should you apparently my tendency is to kill the ones i love freya i don't need you to comfort me either of you their accusation was cruel none of us believe the truth can be a cruel thing anyone care to argue with that no but balder's fate had many causes prophecy among them how do you mean brother there are many tales in my homeland of those who fulfilled prophecy by attempting to avoid it so it was when freya tried to protect balder and so it was when i accused my son of going to asgard and we agree it'd be foolish to go after hindal no if hindal must die for a trace to live then hindal must die how can you say that knowing what you know because if hindal is a threat to my son i must act it is my young nature well played nons i'll tell you uh so much to pull from that whole conversation kratos was listening to uh all the nons gave but the thing is like tell no matter how much you tell him by crim into this action you're you're playing into your your weaknesses your prophecy you always like i don't give a fuck i just don't care i don't care about any of it yeah ultimately my goal is protect atreus i will i will enact whatever actions are required for that goal yeah this is chat yes to all of the threats of of what could happen he's like yeah sure fine whatever because the thing what the what mamiya i think is trying to get at is that uh that option you take every time it leads you to places that can be rather negative and he's just like like i give a fuck dude it's the correct choice every time to save my son i'm never gonna be like oh maybe i shouldn't save my son because things could somehow get worse than if i didn't like nah it's not happening and yeah ultimately you've got to set a priority in his is protect that kid so it's like well it's it's hyper hyper dad mode it's uh makes complete sense yeah everything i gotta do to get there is fair game and just so you know i will kill gods i'm that kind of guy well can you release this play through somewhere it's a good compilation of the main story in important dialogue that's something i was thinking with the amount of effort i put into the edit i don't know if it's worthwhile to drop it up on mula just so that you guys can actually it's good like it out or not i'm not sure story bit yeah character yeah it's taken ages as you can probably tell to construct this and the idea that we just drop it after the e-fab is like well i guess i could release it on its own right i mean it'll be useful for a lot of people going forwards if it you essentially list it and say this is all of the story slash character stuff uh you know a good you know it'll be a good asset to have a good piece of reference not just for you but and us of course but for anyone i guess on youtube who wants to kind of watch that and it'll be good for all of the people in the audience to be able to reference later all right i don't mean to this to sound like a plug that's sniping that but um i've got a guy from the legion of memers i'm cutting my play through together that's uh going up on my channel as like a cinematic edit for people to just watch the story just i think this is a game that like you know if you just watch the story that's still worthwhile is wait does that cut have you in it or no well i'm playing but it's just game it's pure gameplay footage like totally clean i don't want to mark on it or anything though because so if you guys want to make videos on god of war feel free to steal my footage oh well yeah not to uh sort of dilute that but yes you can already get plenty of long i think the reason why people are suggesting this one is because i've cut it specifically to consume the story important elements instead of so like you don't get a lot of stuff that could be considered superfluous oh yeah no likewise uh that that's why i have the editor working on it to just make it as as more kind of like a hey if you don't like video games but you think this story sounds cool watch it like it's a movie and it's not just like unedited me playing it's it's cut down to the the story critical stuff like for the most part tell me of this power harmed our wheels he sees the future more like he reads the person sees their intention my intent will be to kill him knowing that will be no advantage brother this is no one to underestimate any move you make he'll have seen it coming if you must face him we need something to break an edge to be watching you you mommy very well i really like this moment that i think kratos from any other game would have been like i can take him shut the fuck up yeah like it's been long enough he trusts him long if he's like all right we'll do it your way mamiya what is your way and i love it because i think i cut it but he the the way becomes asked the dwarves and then they say that and then the thing comes up and it says ask the dwarfs it's like yeah ask the dwarfs ah you have to go asking of the dwarfs oh yeah i did leave it in the path asked the dwarfs theo do you hate that yeah theo where's the hatred what's going on yeah theo do you not like it when it says ask the dwarfs okay all right let's check it listen as long as you're having fun i don't want to be yeah i'm glad that you're having a great time you're right are you okay yeah i'm good all right that's good don't you having to stay here if you want to do other things that is totally okay if you would like to i just uh i don't know i haven't gotten a much of a vibe on how you feel about the story lately that's all i don't know i don't think i have anything to add which is kind of depressing of a place to be in oh well you can always just agree you know what that thing i know is this sounds ridiculous because i always agree with rags you could be like that thing metal said that seemed accurate like you could even say that no one would ever say that though i know i was suggesting like it was a hypothetical goat that you said it though you can't metal is our Thor aww he's our he's he's our little chunk of beef i didn't even retort to that i didn't even retort that that's pretty cool i'll be full yeah i'll be full he's our he's our little beef chunk oh and it's a little beefy boy so was referenced yes i was thinking about that too this is the part where he kills you like it comes up multiple characters and then like the in-game sort of notifications and there's an achievement on unlocks that was really cool portal to everyone if you don't know good times yeah great excuse me sir could i have a moment of your time no oh dear oh dear what's to be done what is it you want it has come to my attention that nithog has been slain i didn't cut this properly uh because the idea is i wanted to show the the conversation of nithog a little when it's like sort of brought up this is where it actually happens but this is meant to be cut so these see these are changes i can make before i have a final vision and as a result her offspring have been let loose into the nine realms what of it we kind of did this already promise i'll to rest the no one say atreus will be killed by hindal the plan is to kill hindal first oh wow okay hindal let's see never loses sees everything coming unpopular at parties this won't be easy whatever his advantages i will overwhelm him with my own that's the idea you gotta overpopulate his senses see and i got just the thing in mind to help you do it sinjury frank go get drop near drop near but we need it our supplies all we got plenty and despair this unironically happily and thoroughly answers the question of where they get all their materials from uh that they've constructed a shit turn across the games and you can treat it as just an in-game thing whatever they make stuff shut up you provide the materials and stuff but uh drop near is is already a of some level of fame from what i hear in new york's mythology and um well i'll let them introduce it first dead happen why would a oh you mean we combine it with that's right and then when he it'll go damn you that's brilliant very well i suppose there's nothing to do but go fetch drop near drop near i bloody knew these two and they take an order and blame me for it disappearing they stole drop near we didn't steal nothing we just ungifted would never should have been gifted in the first place kind of weird and feels like tears annoyed they stole drop near when anything like preventing Odin from having dropped near is probably a good thing yeah it's uh it's been a little weird to you we've been a little weird bill will this us i will help me kill hind all never you mind all that it's a fucking surprise we're our teach but to even store drop near you need you were saying so now you intend to kill hind all violence cannot prevent violence i truly thought you understood it that's a lot of rangs well what's even cooler about this is we have no idea how deep this place is exactly well we can assume that it was deeper than last time on account of the bucket hitting the bottom so violent the impromptu dog yes that's actually a good good note yes yeah this injury is the lord of the ring so bear mccree which which thing about rings was better to work on yeah i like i love how they have it on this string this is clever yeah it's clever so they know the real on you i'm gonna miss you little one that'd been a bit of a nightmare got it and a range of sasta out your son enough hind also threat not only to betray us to everyone he's odin's left hand and he carries the horde begins ragnarok if we have the chance to eliminate him we should and it's just as likely a trap because the bastard knows your intentions kratos i've never seen anyone so much as lay a finger on him not one well i gathered what's fit for gathering oh you have all that totally unnecessary wait sorry like all the whole get in the ring thing with his pov they could have done it in a different way where he just comes back with it it does a little weird thing you know but that's just such a cooler way to do it that's so interesting and it stands out as a neat part of this where we follow his perspective this injuries perspective going to get it and uh the guy's under a lot of stress um and and sorting things out and just listening to everybody tearing each other apart as you leave until it fades out and then fades back in once he's uh got the ring the ring itself being really cool little fantasy item and then the storage of it making a hell of a lot of sense you're right they could have not shown us all that but it was neat that we saw it yeah the sound design flourish was nice yeah to go to spartile find to get the rest of the materials not to mention we'll have to visit the lady oh oh that's a relief kratos whenever you're ready no idea what he's on about brother um but yeah it was an interesting battle conversation basically of course frayer is like all steam ahead go grab him kill kill hindal good good good good that's that's that's great this is like he's threatening my son he's forfeit uh obviously the two dwarves being like well you know if you're gonna do it they want their practical response of like this is how and then tia being like really really we're just gonna kill another person we don't care about the repercussions we don't care what's gonna happen next we're just gonna kill him and then of course kratos just being like why are you being retarded he's killing going to go after my son uh time to go i'll take it from here i'll speak to the lady i lady i never get to speak to the lady there are reasons for that brock will go what no no no no i heard him what's your friend i had heard so much i know right cindy being so prideful and ego driven that he wants to see the lady yeah a little bitch let brock go yeah what the let brock talk to girls no you're tempted shrimps and this by the way they do this a couple times sometimes they i don't think they always justify it but basically the idea is that we're going to go on an adventure with uh brock and freya and once it's over you're allowed to go back to the game but they can't let you out because there's too many things that change to account for a game wide so basically someone uh in swaddlefine likely fucked with our ability to realm travel and so uh brock is gonna reopen the one to swaddlefine and at some point you'll fix it so the all of them are back open but it's just their way of trying to justify why listen we already do some story things we can't have you going off and doing different things until you've done this old brock came prepared i got ways ending out from the old days gait said never even think to look for on account of being stupid i'll meet you up there go on brock and run you sure he was the right pick for this brother i trust him he speaks plain and yet so colorfully um the brock entry out of all entries other than maybe me as one of the most positive creators has where he basically says i can tolerate him yeah like his it's like a thing of uh describing his positives and negatives that he's just like i i can i can accept his company this is like whoa you must really like him you have to let me take bronc's place he can't talk to the lady he mustn't no do not ask again but oh dear oh dear fault atreus ran off you know or are you just being brock's champion as you can see new recording the saturation got cranked again i like don't worry what are you insinuating heinous can't the smartest man alive put it together the giants conceal a mysterious figure who changes the fate of ragnarok and you're oblivious to the only rational candidate the one who's fought wars against gods and won i am not their champion well we're each entitled to our opinion was that the reason you propose this alliance you expect me to lead your armies at ragnarok that is tears job not mine explain to see tears no war god anymore nor am i i have left that life behind not killing gods you haven't or else what are we doing in this realm forging this weapon your choice you know where it might leave i am only protecting i know i know and we both know the place is protecting your child can take you i was just thinking of how odin antagonized the giants for generations nearly wiped them out of existence twice now you may have a role to play in stopping him once and for all don't you think it's possible that's what your wife would have wanted do not presume to know what she wanted i'm not saying anything you haven't thought her secret counts every step of your path wasn't it when he said that she's standing just in the background it's such a freya will remember that moment when you say that yeah maybe if you talked about your doubts they wouldn't explode when you talk to your son oof true and this is the funny thing she's become more familiar enough now that she feels like she can take a step into being maybe a bit more critical but hey just because you know he's invested in getting you to be friends of this still subjects you need to be careful when you're talking about him yeah do not doubt who's what i left behind she would never have asked that of me why would she need to ask she saw your fate three of odin's kin dead because of the path she put you on you don't think she knew exactly what it meant sending you to yotenheim this is mere conjecture and probably quite enough of it heinous we're all making an effort to cooperate here after all those rags was pointing out you get a law of that dialogue from mr memeya he's like clearly noticing things get a little bit more tense he's like all right maybe we should roll that back chillax guys you're right it's not for me to say look i wasn't trying to provoke you or cast doubt on your marriage it just seems to me your thoughts haven't caught up to your instincts yet and i know something about that meanwhile i'll see what else i can learn while we're here maybe i'll send a few ain harry our back to vol hola for good measure well you have fun that hey you made it about time i got everything all set here now we just gotta push on up to the floor hopefully nobody springs an alarm no quit your nattering snake sucking mommy milk sauce with your protective gear ain't you never seen a legend in the flesh before did you notice the dwarves of the camp are twice as alarmed to seem at all than they were to see you they did seem surprised all right now i can turn this claim to cap that guys are there hey got another riddle for you what gets bigger the more you take away from well let's see something abstract you can't do this to me that clever what a great bit of dialogue that is on the surface a simple fun riddle that these two characters get to fight over how neat yeah that is a really cool thing that they have and what a clever little riddle kudos to those who uh know it act it quick yes yeah bomb for the lady grab some what the wind no you idiot the sound of the wind how watch it learn see dwarven magics all about the intangibles the relationship between the stuff what you can touch and what you can't it's about understanding understanding what the nature of a thing is more important than the form of the name the dialogue is too yeah like it's excellent uh and it was kind of fun cutting all of this because when you see it all in a row it's like fucking hell this would have taken ages the amount of work funnily enough this was literally pooped out about two hours before this evap was started the stream this this one nice but of course uh yeah by the way this one he takes us up doesn't take us to the end is my point uh but i was gonna say you know it is nine hours and 30 minutes oh yeah look at that we have been going a while the more we could do the better i am still fine but obviously i don't want to push everyone to heart attacks or anything so uh just just putting that out there how's everyone feeling you okay i'm feeling a little hard right now i should probably get to sleep um you know i'm not going to cut it off there obviously there's a particular scene we had to play it's just james just yelling before you heard everything just ignore james um well so and uh the idea of course is that we're never gonna be able to finish this all in this stream uh but as long as you're on board mr mr thio and mark and metal and rags and for me and myself we will continue it tomorrow uh from wherever we leave off tonight that's all very acceptable i think uh thio if you want i don't know it's completely up to you just to stay for the upcoming payoff um if sure no problem if you don't want to be yet uh if it's okay with everyone else can we maybe do one more hour yeah if i can do it i can do it yeah yeah fine all right but these are asleep they will not disturb us anymore i don't think probably all right then the funny thing is i kind of do need to stop the stream eventually so that i can get the rest done before you've have started again i was i was thinking about that actually i was wondering because the thing is i've got another about hour and a half to two hours of game to play and then i've got to chop all of that up along with another hour i've got left uh the idea of sleeping and being ready for this i'm gonna cut that shit close it'll be tough yeah but i'll try it's so funny this is one of the longest e-files we've done in a while and we're still the weird near finished coverage wise it's not even a tv show or a movie how is everyone one but in a good way chat how have you felt about this format do you think it's a little too little too weird a little too long a little too how we feel i'll obviously check the comments when this goes up as well but it's been a very strange format it has been odd and yeah it's not often that's something like ragnarok comes around yeah so i think its strangeness is you know justified i did say in the metals for just like oh you thought three hour discussion was long yeah it could be argued i think we're past the halfway point in the game but we're up to nine and a half hours of discussing yeah it's nice to talk about a good i should appreciate it yeah and hopefully people have a better idea if they were like why the fuck would anyone like this story like hopefully we've given a lot of what you know drawing from it yeah even if you don't super you know connect with it a lot hopefully it will at least get you to appreciate the kind of work that goes into it especially considering that again this is a video game and this is the kind of thing that i definitely am glad to see you know apparently flourish and be appreciated and uh be beloved by people i want to have games that are more willing to put you know a lot of work into the narrative and the characters not to you know say that it should take a you know a front seat to uh to gameplay or anything but obviously you can have uh you could put a lot of work in historian characters in games and i just wanted to highlight one was mentioned as a floor it's like not covering the side cause it's like dude like if we did yeah come on i don't know like seriously looking at three streams of nine hours probably if we did that as well um oh yeah easily it will try and summarize it and recommend it of course in terms of go search out for the videos if you really want to see what happens in them but like the frayer one's pretty much the only one we've talked about so far and it's it's pretty damn strong uh i feel like all them are but yeah all righty then let's uh let us see how far we can get lady then the lady of the forge ain't no more magical creature in this whole realm why i've been waiting for my chance to meet her since i was knee-high to a no-kin but cindy had never happened said i was too uncouped but today's finally the day i got goosebumps on my bunions i've never seen you so everon are you nervous what shut up no fuck you i love that response what no shut up fuck you it's great wow you sure didn't give up on that riddle in a hurry i give up nothing gets bigger the more you take away is it that's right sorted it's desire nope do you mean no desire only grows when you take away the thing you desire all right it's not perfect i love that where he's just he reads it out to himself and he's like yeah okay that's sure it doesn't really work i see your answer you won't get it out of me that is i see no forge you don't see the form of a forge but we're going to the nature of one i was almost following him for a moment there i uh i uh uh fuck the music helps just making it so epic even though it's already pretty awesome yeah final ingredient the blood of a god i have that don't fucking call i know it's just like i mean also if you're gonna give kratos a weapon that's gonna be like oh this is like the final kind of chapter in this this whole saga what's it gonna be what's actually gonna have some weight to it it's like well we already have his wife's weapon that he started this saga with and then we gave him his old weapons from the old trilogy what else it's like well what's the first weapon a spartan uses the fucking spear and it's like yeah don't forget comboing it with a well-known at least to north people object from north mythology and what a fucking cool way to contextualize this a repeating spear like for kratos as well as like oh what an excellent choice and uh is pretty yeah maybe the uh the blood she drags from him it's like the two aspects it shows are the north sorry the greek god of war symbol and then the uh the spartan symbol you ever on yes the uh the idea that that goes in and then it turns into the little uh the reds uh ribbon or whatever it is but but like uh rags i remember you not being too fond of it what are you what are you thinking oh it's it's just the way that it sort of looks when you're with the way that kind of works with the animations i don't think that the the banner on it as long as it is kind of keeps up with a lot of the animations and i think it can look a little maybe more than just a little silly in some of the actual animations when it's in combat and stuff we say yeah like uh the way that it looks you know there is it's got a nice regal ceremonial sort of look to it uh but uh when it comes to actually fighting uh i think it it would probably get in the way a little bit and the game doesn't often know quite how to deal with it just because of the speed at which the animations can play out but it's just a little aesthetic you know thing which funnily enough like most praise i have for it is aesthetic as well just the uh oh what a what a what a neat bit of flavor that feels like it it evokes the colors of his spot in history as well to the spear it's just wow but simultaneously yeah like i said i didn't notice a lot about the animations um but obviously it's one of those things where maybe if you if you see it you don't unnotice it you know yeah well i mean it like it is a bit weird that it like for people who haven't played the game that are just watching this because you're curious about it um it's a ranged weapon uh or it has a ranged property to it where you can basically just throw infinitely regenerating spears and um it does look a little bit strange i think it has a bit of context in the series because that a similar weapon is in ghost of sparta as well like you get the i think it's just i think it's the spear of sparta that you get and it's it it's a a very smaller kind of ranged weapon that that throws almost exactly the same um and and i think when you think about how that looks in animation it's like okay well if it's just you chuck a spear and then another one responds in your hand that is a bit strange looking how fast you make that look in a way that makes it look good but also feels good as like a projectile weapon in a game and i think that when you're talking about regenerating spears it's kind of tough to make that look you know the way it should be well i mean i was going to first thing i think i think it passes a badass check uh and oh yeah for sure not only that um i've seen a lot of people say like it's my favorite of the three and some people are wow the blades right i'm just sitting like oh man all three are fucking great they're just yeah like that's that's where i was at with the two i was like i i love all three of them and i i kind of didn't have a uh a main as a work yeah i like using all three important they're all functionally distinct and they all saved great narrative purposes uh well yeah of course there's that it's a nice blending of the two right the leviathan axe is uh slower but a heavy hitter the blades of chaos error of effect really quick not as strong but yeah again real fast and then uh the spear is it just feels like that's a weapon in particular that's better for long range uh and i i think single target focus it can be quite effective as well like overwhelm yeah yeah it's a it's a great buff to the spear uh or sorry the shield like the the intention of dealing stamina damage over health damage i think the the spear is in is a great addition to that and a lot of its upgrades deal with stun damage that i think i think put it in an interesting spot mechanically with the the other two weapons when i like the you deal frost damage with the the axe fire damage with his blades and then with the spear you can yank out a status effect from your enemies yeah that's really cool and has a wind property by itself yes and then when you fully upgrade it it can quickly overtake your uh playtime and spear is very fun to play with yeah it has like really cool runic attacks too yeah almost forgot ma'am it would be an honor if you might bless it first are you uh hello hello fuck was that she asked like i weren't even here man maids don't speak to our corporeal bodies speak to a part of our soul parts specifically you might be missing did you catch how he delivered that line the the voice starts to shake toward the end of it because he noticed it earlier he's figured it out and he knows like this is not going to be good news mm-hmm but i gotta tell him yeah it's like uh rip out now i have to definitely yep oh the music as well oh damn it sinjury you lying cat scrubber i knew it i died i fucking died the fuck you want it needs a blessing yeah well the one to give us a blessing just fucked off into the needs the blessing of a great black swith what i can't bless shit i don't have all my soul bits it the blessing wouldn't mean squat it is the nature of a thing that matters yes oh man oh it's so good the delivery too it is oh it's everything all right may this weapon strike true may it be wielded with wisdom may it be put down when its job is done so that's one of the best things in the game yeah for sure dude i uh i remember when i was streaming this i did not see that scene coming when he starts to kneel i was like wait wait and then he says a great black so i was like oh Jesus Christ kratos really you're gonna kill me but he would do this for brock yeah this is you have to understand this isn't like he pragmatically decided i require a blessing this is my friend is in need right now yeah and the the idea that the inversion of i brocks requesting the bell the blessing from this ethereal like angelic kind of mermaid thing and she doesn't she doesn't respond to him and then so you have this like angelic character being the one that doesn't give the blessing and the one who does is the most kind of crass guy that's like constantly swearing and is the most gruff dude in the game but then it's like now man but his blessing is the one that matters right now and it's like oh it's what like once again kratos showing how far he's come he recognizes a blessing means a hell of a lot to people like brock from weapons and items i don't know that kratos necessarily thinks it's an you would have gotten it from the creature if if she'd been okay with it with brock because he was like yes sure whatever what that's what you do with weapons but noticing how much it means to brock he's like you know how much you mean to me buddy you want to know i think i want you to bless it and kneeling to him yeah three quarters of a soul or not you're important to me yeah it's one of the biggest and best bro moments in anything uh yeah and brock is tumbling all right he's not in a good place and you uh you yanked him out of it and yeah i just feel like there's a lot support in this uh in this game and the previous brock comes through for kratos all the time yeah and despite being like i said there's lots you can pick up from what brock says and when yes he is crass yes he is vulgar but you can see intention behind everything he does he cares about people he looks after him so kratos likes him this is a very simple exchange yeah and it's incredibly meaningful first npc you meet in 2018 as well on this whole crazy journey here and yeah good stuff yeah good stuff it is the first weapon a Spartan learns yep guess we're doing this one boy style listen i appreciate what you said back there it's good to have friends when you find out your brother's a rack scab and wire no doubt he only wish to protect you merge his call to me guy dies he's got the right to know about take heart block we all die sometime many of us more than once any more guesses but hard not to just you know i left that lighted on purpose just yeah yeah but yes anyway oh boy oh all right gets bigger the more you take away ah is it time because the more removed from events you become the larger their scope in your memory no i fucking love but be his desperation to figure out this real because he is the smartest man alive he always said he's like a fucking alec i'll make any of this work ballots now that i see it that's bollocks now that i see it never mind more got one last favorite ask of the both of them we call us square what happened down there in the forge with the lady that's my story to tell all right agreed oh very well what we doing but saucy where we going thank you brock it is a good spear damn straight it is brock yeah and you knew fey let me stop you right there killer brock ain't one to go breaking no competences not even when it comes to the dearly departed you have no idea how fucking difficult it would have been for craters to ask that question by the way yeah it's showing vulnerability doesn't usually do that but it's uh how much you trust brock at this point you don't hear me spreading your business all over town do you smiths don't plan just how it's got to be i only hope sundry's in one piece just did brock just say butt sausage he did he did it's an offensive thing he said i love me a good butt sausage by the time brock's done with him the ice beneath those two is thinning up under the best of circumstances and now it's time for another scene it's just good stuff again uh this is the point in the game i think i said this to free once you reach that brock scene this game starts to blast off in terms of playoffs good time i just want to talk dad to dad speaking of which imagine my surprise when atreus came knocking at my door he's doing well by the way and will continue to do so just as long as i return to asgard sometime soon besides our friend here has a has a whole lot to live for arguable run along now but behave yourself these are like he opens all of this with a meat shield yep yep and he barely even like there was no question about that he pretty much acknowledged it it's like yeah you want to get to me you're gonna have to kill this guy yep new spear never much cared for brock can't deny the dwarf's talent you came to speak have to touch my spear it's new i like you don't really want more do you kratos all that blood on your hands on your son's hands i want peace as much as you do perhaps we can find it together having him framed by the spears here has got to be a very deliberate decision what would you drool from it rags oh it's probably i mean the tip of the spear is i mean it's it's one of the spear is probably the most it's just an iconic weapon that refers to war and violence and conquest and to have him essentially framed by this item i mean it's not telling us anything new about him necessarily but it might be telling us that he might have these these these you know violence is something he's definitely willing to do that you know it's sort of maybe frames him underneath him as a character that you know it's just it's a part of his nature and uh there's something he's willing to do uh not exactly certain just something i just sort of noticed right now yeah no i think it's fair i doubt this was an accident i don't think they would have framed him this way just by chance um having him with a spear on both ends of a 2d screen it's just like it makes it feel like a game i don't think in a game where you can very easily remove or add things when you want well that's that's kind of what i was getting at but i mean there is a very low likelihood this was an accident in that they set up the whole area for the the dwarves then they're moving the camera and would fill me this they're like oh look some spears are in the way uh let's just move it so he's in the middle there you go and they didn't think twice about it but i believe because of the way this game was built that this was deliberate and it's supposed to mean it seems deliberate yeah um so yeah uh i mean no matter what he's telling you the the real odin is ready to fucking kill you basically is what you could get from it perhaps lots of different interpretation that boy of ours is everything i expected so clever kind is sure he's yours a kid you really ought to be very proud he is the key to peace in our age to break free from all this fate and prophecy my son is not your key oh god do they not have metaphor in your homeland or rather did they i'm sorry that's not fair genuinely feel like this was a moment of like god fucking damn it my patience for you is running so thin like yeah you know what i'm saying don't you you can't be this bad faith kratos like come on like this this my son is not your it's like but the thing odin's just not going to be able to crack through is that it doesn't matter what you say he believes you to be a liar and you have his son just the only reason you're not split in two right now yep so um yeah this is odin's attempt to see if it's still too far gone or not um there's also another reason why you could imagine this sweet scene was prompted but the third reason as to why it happens now is because those dwarves are now gone dylan is there likely those dwarves let dylan know that kratos just came by and so odin's come in see if he can either chat with him because it's rare that he knows exactly where he is at least in a place that he can reach not the god you once were and now is your chance to prove it return my son or you may meet the god i once was and what kind of god is that kratos what do you even know of god hod in your lifetimes has anyone ever worshiped you ever prayed to you can you even imagine that kind of love no you don't care about mortals you don't care about anything beyond yourself beyond the monster who kills without cause you fear what you can never even hope to understand is it any wonder that your boy is in no rush to come back to you don't listen to him brother he's just trying to get in your head oh um pretty pretty choice words from odin and he lays all of that on right after kratos threatened to hurt him yeah odin is just not in the mood neither is kratos the big reason why these guys will just keep clashing as uh odin feels like and you can tell this from the first scene i'm extending all of branches that i don't have to you understand that and kratos is like fuck you he's like right man you're an instant little shit aren't you there's some legitimate questions there too about like people like has anyone worshiped kratos or prayed to kratos it's like i don't know maybe like there there was a good gap of time between god war one it's not maybe it's yes uh people have worshiped and prayed to him but i don't think odin's talking about a literal interpretation he's talking about where who kratos is right now is is basically chastising him for being immoral like i'm gonna i'm gonna achieve vengeance upon you because you're doing bad things and odin's like fucking insulted like you're the ghost of sparta you're like known for being a complete asshole at least i have had like several eras in which i was worshiped and loved have you ever had that i'm not sure whether or not odin even knows but something he's gonna rip into kratos or he did rip into him for something that we'll get to him nobody ever worshiped kratos because he was a good man yeah we ever well and i mean that's that's kind of what i was what my point was that i was like well i i don't know like maybe what when i said maybe i was like kratos worshiped and loved or was he just the god of war that was there for a little while me and mel played god of war two i think you did recently right like what we see is that kratos is dominating as the god of war by pushing sparta to higher and higher highs they like him and sparta presumably you're right i guess you're right the spartans love him that's who i'm when i say like i'm assuming they love and worship him in and as much as he's a strong person who can lead them to victory um as a quick reference if you remember that guy who loved daemon targaryen in episode three of house the dragon and then daemon fucking steps on him i could imagine there are several characters who um sort of like loved kratos because of what he did for sparta but that he wouldn't necessarily notice or necessarily take too much action in avoiding collateral damage when he was god zillering his way through certain wars um this is the character that you know we've moved on from that he really doesn't want to become someone who as odin just put it it's like you don't really care about mortals you cared about uh the prestige of sparta and to do the response to wrongs done to you by gods like if we pretend for a second in the first game oh no it's entirely righteous it's like well he's the point those games make in the original trilogies that became bloodthirsty and unsatable um so like what what odin's needle that there is is definitely a truth kratos as the man he is right now nobody's ever bought to look to him for inspiration or love except his son i guess but functionality is a god you know it's uh and odin is offended that this guy is the one to almost threaten and lecture him about like a moral stance he's just like you don't know fucking anything about it and like i said i don't even know if odin knows about all of that stuff the main stories that seem to have passed over is kratos is the ghost of sparta and because he had some wrongs done to him he fucking annihilated apantheon um i just think there's a lot going on here and uh that interpretation was sort of strengthened once we got to see another payoffs in this game uh yes um a lot of people are very upset because they believe that the developers forgot what happened in god of war two when this comes soon after a sequence that was all about referencing god of war two yeah i don't think you should worry too much guys i think they know that they're gunning for the uh the other interpretation that he's not worshiped and loved for the actions and the and the inspiration is rather what he was as useful to those in sparta um and i think he's aware of that he doesn't remember he hates who he was back then so it's um you could argue it's just not the same he's not been worshiped for who he is now and who he was then he doesn't even like want to be again this game is about avoiding that person um he just used it as a threat like i will become that person again if you don't return my son now um and i just think uh it's a really great move from odin too and it shows odin insecurities he's like fuck you man you're annoying me like why can't you just listen to me why do you have to be this grumpy blah blah and it's like because you have my son dude yeah you might want to realize how much that that is uh really getting to me and that's why he throws that out at the end like is there any wonder your son isn't coming back to you that shit hits hard mr craters but at the same time threatening odin and implying odin is the immoral one he gets uh he gets all upset about that very quick scene lots of shit achieved thumbs up um there's up the bumpers i don't know if anyone else had anything to add you know one really i yeah um i agree with the way that odin views maybe his living son right now named you know thor and we treats him maybe kratos's attitude and adoration of you know his own or not adoration but his love of his own son to that degree doesn't quite hit in the exact same way maybe there's an element of odin that just kind of doesn't even think to think that in a sense now that balder's dead yeah yeah you know maybe when there was a couple of expression changes right like when he mentioned monster kratos is not happy with that one and when he says our son here gives him a big old death stare too our boy sorry not our son superior bastard that never them showing up here at least you rattled him as much as he rattled you i do worry though if i'm being frank we've crafted a weapon to kill a god one could say you're on the verge of returning to form for those who don't know that is the literal plot for god war one just gonna go try and find something that can kill a god basically doesn't scare you aiding another violent god i'm scared for you brother and i can't help but think kratos said that because that's what he heard at the norm's place so it's something that's on his mind now too it's like that's when you think about you think of me as like you know close to odin give a worry about that because it's gonna be pretty awkward this is this is why by the way it's best we don't all know everyone's feelings and thoughts at all times about everything it's gonna make friendships a little difficult see what are some things you keep to yourself okay i could start a war the war if that no longer concerns you then maybe fray is right maybe the giants had you in mind all along so this drop nearspear you're prepared to use it to protect atreus i am no one's champion but his nor no one's god that may be my form it is not my nature i would expect more noise from different people but that's okay another example of finding new ways to use prior lines but they do it so much so many ways you can say we did it again i'm not flashing back on these ones is like i mean yeah let's just in this game it's fucking great i guess the difference of opinion is hardly the most i'm setting aside for this alliance as long as the plan is to kill heimdall the rest matters little there's also the bit of news that odin has some inkling of what we're up to i thought i heard ravens dammit what did he say lies threats and more lies what did you expect you think he lies that atreus is in asgard no on that i'm afraid i believe him then the rest matters little now do the thing do the thing oh look at that she's special that one ain't gotta tell me have you found a way to reach asgard um not as such had a few ideas but they didn't so much work brother without a way to asgard what are we doing i do not know i need to think you're sure nothing unusual happened with the lady nothing at all nothing whatever smoothest snail shit like i said why there's some reason you expected it to flip sideways what no no of course not i'm delighted to hear everything proceeded as planned well they did and it was a proper adventure to boot i taught them all about the nature of the thing and the form of the thing become a whole motif you're making up words again i said it was a motif and it was beautiful you are impossible i'm the most possible one around here where are you going brother that fucking exchange is so good like yeah completely optional you can miss that if you walk off a lot of people do as well no smoothest snail shit no so we're just keeping blindly on then hoping we don't walk headlong into ragnarok is that your plan this and i've had a long day i just want to go to sleep and dream of my ginger sure it feels deliberate that he tosses the blades while he places the axe yep we're saying we rarely ever see him like this but what has happened recently that is unusual that has almost never happened is a completely lost track of and the ability to protect atreus yep and this really he is incredibly vulnerable right now yeah this is uh and considering the flashback we're about to get and just just this performance it's um you get a very huge sense that this is the worst he has felt in a long time mm-hmm because why did tress leave i'll kind of shouted him right it feels like he pushed him away and yeah yeah the scars from the chains of Olympus and this uh the big old uh torso scar the blade of Olympus yep um and then you know he can't help but be reminded of all this history when the last events he just did uh as a mea mea put it like you're doing everything you did before yeah all the things you're trying to avoid and he just fucking misses her yeah still get his face here and like it the character work is so unreal we just said all of that and it's like you know what else is on his mind he's gonna die soon doesn't know how it's gonna happen like this this man is dealing with a lot he just knows that there was a painting on a wall of prophecies that have all but come true of his son holding him as he dies all right well your father seems very ready to go shall we then this way grumbles mr grumbles to you do you enjoy the gentle waves little one your father and i traverse this river often one day you will learn to navigate its waters we live deep in the wild the most beautiful forest in all of midgard and it is safe and serene here game is plentiful and you will want or nothing you're not far from the place your father and i first met we nearly took each other's heads off but he's soft unfortunately for you he remains dreadfully stoic i suppose it will fall to me to teach you language your father can teach you to hunt or perhaps that will fall to me as well since all he seems to be good for is grunting have you nothing to say to your son what would you have me say fey anything let him learn your voice let him know you it's far better off knowing as little as possible knowledge is not always a burden to think the mighty god of war frightened of his own child i do not fear our child fey you for him he is innocent we are not who we were we must be better atreus is our future keep him safe kratos protect our son what did that wall ever do to you good stuff yeah again gorgeous transition the music changes with it as well um so that scene uh god how fucking well integrated it was too because that that whole moment is really instilling how much it's on kratos to protect atreus when this is coming at a time where he feels like he's failed his job and then of course giving us everything we need to set up all of 2018 basically the connecting pieces uh yeah several of uh it is it is very evident now where uh kratos' perspective on a lot of things has originated from to still very clearly fey fey yeah yeah be better we must be better and of course in terms of because at this point we've we've already uh laid the foundation for a lot of the thematic through lines now we're starting to build them up even more um we are not our mistakes that she that that uh that fey is telling kratos this it's really important for him to understand that to move forward um as well as you know reflective of her as well um so it's appropriate that's an appropriate perspective for her to hold and ties in really well with something that feels like at this point one of the big like pillars of the story which is that notion of being better of seeking to be better not allowing to be defined by your history or the role that you said to play in the world but to rather you know choose for yourself to strive to be a better person the really crazy thing too is that we had like falcon winter soldier come out earlier uh it was this year was that was that last year why i certainly hope that people who say you've got to do better senator like when they say that in chat that that's like a meme that better be a meme but that's the thing is though like my point is it's the the execution that like the idea of needing to strive to be better than your nature or better than the default of what you are is is a good value to strive for but just when you execute it in a way that seems earned by the story that you've been building up over the course of two games because the context behind it and falcon winter soldier was he was told several reasons why his plans are fucking shit and then he just started suggesting insane shit like you can end like didn't he say like you could just transfer all this food all these people who need food as if like that's not a huge point in this whole series that they've been trying to well they already had logistic setup to try and provide food remember the fucking idiots destroyed it they blew it up the idea that you can just take resource x and move it to place y and everything's great like it just shows how much falcon has no fucking clue what's going on he admits as much in that speech and then he just goes you gotta do better it's the most like what a fucking thing ever yeah we're in in this game yeah sorry go ahead for me no no no go for it i don't know i was just gonna say but in this game though they execute that's the same concept of the idea of you need to do better you know in a way that just makes a lot more sense and doesn't it doesn't seem preachy because it feels earned you know at least that's kind of the way i see it kratos has locked himself into believing he's already had loads of lines related to this he can't there is no retribution for him there is no recovery he's done so he did what he did and he is to live with that forever a cursed man who just sits alone and tries to live his life bumps into fey in the Norse world she has surprisingly large amounts of her history that he's not aware of that links them a lot more than he realizes the word she gave in that flashback once you find out about the other side quest stuff it's not just about him it's about her as well this this push this desperation to not let that define you forever and if you can tell like in 2018 you may have been told this earlier on but he's still it's thinking about it and he's still moving around with it all these different pieces and it's his adventures with the traitors it's being presented all these different events with different choices to be made and then running with the ideas that she's put in his head on top of all the experiences he's had by the time you hit the end of that game he's absorbed it fully you have to we need to be better this is fucking ridiculous at this point everything just keeps getting worse and it's down to our choices sort of thing is really cool that they gave us that's two of three by the way for fey there's an incredibly meaningful scene that binds the original trilogy to 2018 even more than it already had i think what i appreciate about it is just again this level of honesty and maturity in terms of exploring that theme right the notion of don't be defined by your mistakes be better that at the end of 2018 which is one of my favorite scenes in that game when kratos is telling the traitors like we will be the gods we choose to be you know like we must be better um that he has that perspective and holds that perspective but then he's wrought with doubt when things when he makes mistakes again right even though he uh even though he's already um figured out that lesson even though he's already internalized that message uh that that lesson he's still there's still doubts when things go wrong when things don't seem to be panning out as he as he'd hope they would um it's kind of interesting right that atreus mimea points out that atreus needs to be allowed to make mistakes on his own which there'll be some interesting stuff for that shortly actually yes well shortly but um tomorrow i guess the fact that uh it's you know sam applies to him he's still is going to be making mistakes but that shouldn't stop him from i mean it's it's the line right don't be sorry be better and uh yeah when does this so what what is in this dream in full it's like reaffirming his responsibility to protect and care for traitors while also reaffirming that he should not allow what he was to control what he is and this comes at a point in the story where both of those things are in complete limbo like what is what is the state of atreus is he safe it's like i can't even say i fucked up as a guardian and secondly what is the state of you uh moving on from your past it's like i don't even know i i i am tumbling right now you know what is what are you doing and it's like all that fury and the weapon and then it's like how do we get to asga it's like don't know and so he's just got to sit and absorb the fact that he lost atreus yep especially since the whole proceeding the whole proceeding section of this game is is people sort of going like wait so like you're gonna go kill god again like is that what's happening here like you're gonna you're gonna follow through and basically do what the prophecy says you're gonna do like is that what you're committing to and the pretend it's amazing thing that's happened he's moved on thanks to fey and atreus but atreus getting threatened is is almost forcing this pathway in front of him that looks too much like his old self so um yeah um as well as it's not his fault that the kid can just blip to a new place the the arc of what's happening between atreus and kratos is getting a whole bunch of stuff soon you'll understand yes it is yeah it is but i think that is a good place to pause we've got yep plenty more to do in fact i think more people will be if they were to have to choose the first half so to speak in the second half i imagine the second half is the part they really want to see commentary for but you're gonna have to wait because of the fact that we just did that for 10 hours and 20 minutes yeah like i think you have to face that i won't be able to finish this with you tomorrow no why not because i have to work on monday okay i'm in a similar position if you guys well to be fair we've covered what was that uh four hours and 20 minutes what remains should be around about two hours and 10 minutes something like that okay that's a thing but we'll be talking about it more because that's when all the payoffs are starting to are really i was gonna this is if i don't know if you can all shoot this down if you want do you do you want to start slightly earlier or do you what's what's the i mean i'm yeah i'm awake anyway just uh okay i'm i'm only visiting i think grandma commander tomorrow and then i'm back springy's the main one grandma i'll just no it's rex no i'm sure she's a fine lady if it makes it easier for everybody else getting up earlier uh or not getting up out because all you'll be awake i can get up early okay well um okay then and we'll aim for a six p.m. gmt start uh mark and teo how you guys feeling about that yeah it's fine for me that works one p.m. it's middle of the day all right then um well before we go how about everybody talks a little bit about what they get up to in life uh we'll go with mark first why not hi i'm mark the cyborg i make youtube videos about video games and um i also stream on rumble pretty regularly and i'm on locals as well a local uh sorry mark the cyborg dot locals locals.com sorry ah gosh i'm running out of breath here i'm very tired sorry and um yeah every so often i'll give away free steam games too so that's fun and yes i am an actual cyborg i only have one leg are you reviewing ragnarok okay hold up hold up hold up hold up hold up hold up you being a cyborg isn't about you not having a leg it's about you having a robotic leg yeah i nailed this in the bud right now i only have one human leg and i walk with the assistance of a robot leg also that's nailed this in the bud how long have you been awake rags nip this don't you do that wait whoa whoa you guys do wait do you nip people's buds because i nail people's buds what do you what do you nail it in the bud and nip people in the bud is that is that what you went with the bud that's fair i know the bud just nail them right nail them right in the bud but um well you know what go right ahead i'm i'm i'm quite a i'm i'm a i'm progressive i'll allow it glad to hear i'm glad to hear that that's good that's good stuff i like it i like it as for me making a video on sorry as for me making a video on ragnarok though i i i did a um history of a franchise thing for geeks and gamers on god of war so what i kind of wanted to do for ragnarok was released what i was calling like dlc for that video because it was a history of a franchise that was up until the point that 2018 came out ragnarok obviously had not been out but now it is so it's like hey if i made the video now what would that segment be and that's what i'm looking to do it's sweet all right um i believe links are in description but if they're not that would be rectified no probably um thank you but yeah uh if you want to talk about your your new video you put out that uh you know the deal with me this would just be like shut the fuck up leave me alone okay i'm sherry and uh mr matumblo what about you hello it's me german man no i'm uh that we we did the forge on this game yesterday uh it was not as long and was much more i don't know random just picking out random topics just going through characters and stuff that was fun tisms uh yeah i do metals forge every week uh now sometimes even more than once a week when there's a lot of sludge going around but what is the next plan topic uh well my next plan topic was calisto protocol but you know that that game was apparently unplayable i actually don't know maybe i do just i know there's a bunch of trailers that came out and just some stuff to talk about maybe i do like one of these i don't know random things i don't know what did you guys call it like a media medley or whatever yes oh yeah so i might do do one of those and just talk about some stuff that has been coming out maybe see what calisto protocol is up to at that point calisto protocol might be good video fodder because it is pretty bad and um when in doubt just replay dead space two because that way you know what uh death space remake is out when is it march i think it's end of january actually oh well i think it's like a month from now or something if i'm not mistaken i'm all set up and ready to stream death space one and two and i'm looking forward to it resident evil or remake is the end of march and um man i'll play that recently and oh boy it holds up of course it does it's resneal four it's bitching great great for people who who who were wondering it's like metal where are you where are you you're gaming streams i haven't seen you on twitch in ages that's because i don't stream on twitch anymore whoa you can't even subscribe to anymore i i'm not even affiliated anymore i i asked the twitch uh i'm doing all my streams of over on the youtube's now on that metal sports channel hey so uh yeah that's why i've been playing all my gather war and putting the the the warts on the archive as uh as as as you're used to if you've been following that um but yeah i mean i wanted to stream khalisa protocol but i i don't know i think i'm just going to be streaming some demon souls remake which has been patiently waiting for me to get out of this uh crazy crazy got a war month ahead oh yeah this has been quite uh a good way to sort of drain it from your thoughts to get everything out in the in the course of 20 fucking hours i don't know what it'll be after after i played scorn i needed some good cleansing and took a month but i'm i'm good now i'm good um and yeah uh some people are asking when is 6 p.m. gmt from now um google is your best friend for stuff like that i can tell you instantly however in relation typical start time what might it be no i can just all right all i was gonna say this is literally 12 hours from now um so everyone everyone has that 12 hour window to do human things and sleep wait so in 12 hours from now um i won't be able to do that would you i were you not listening so i i i guess i i thought i i guess i thought i was going to be like a winstay thing i no i i uh yeah tomorrow wednesday right oh no i no well uh point being i cannot do it tomorrow no uh right that's uh okay that is an enormous monkey wretch uh that just slapped right into the entirety of because the other the problem is i can't be like i will figure this out it's the what i can do though is when i'm done with my things i can join the stream and just have and just join it late well obviously because it might be i'm trying to make it so that everyone here can make a bit like how much would it cost you do you know how much would it uh in terms of time oh let's see uh i might be two three hours late two or three well you'll definitely catch the end you know the big big big part of the game you might miss that one bit the big one of the big bits um yeah yeah well i can always rewatch it afterwards no i know i just um i miss it live genuinely saying you know i'm sure people would like to know your input on lots of it and stuff but obviously the only problem is that we are impossibly stuck for because the thing is next defab is already set for saturday and i i got you yeah i just it is it is something that i uh i can't miss it is it's not it's not something i could miss but it should only take me like i said maybe two three hours until i'm able to uh get back so i mean it's not that bad definitely a booty call all right all right that's fine in fact i'll allow it uh but yeah you know just um we knew this would be a long boy the whole thing oh yeah there was no miss uh no mistaking that there's way too much to go over it's a lot of good stuff oh i've had plenty of fun and there's so much left obviously we haven't touched the majority of the big payoffs um if we can't have racks can we get fenn fenn ria we have fenn ria at home no no fenn ria at home we heard fenn ria at home a number of times during the stream yeah yeah my fenn ria at home is a poodle and shawawa all right uh shouldn't delay anymore because yeah we all genuinely need to reset and be able to prepare for doing this all over again so um yes thank you all oh well unless of course uh rags springy anything you guys wanted to say um not at the moment no uh still setting up some things moving some stuff over kind of chilling for uh just a little bit longer with uh things before i get back into it though i've got i've definitely got stuff planned i'm uh feeling a lot uh definitely got things i want to get done i've got a list list of things i want to start knocking out yeah uh obviously super chats will be all done at the end of the second part of this nice and uh sectioned and chronologically fleamed like i said i'm trying to grab the ones that are relevant as they come in here and there but i'm missing them but we'll make sure to catch everything by the time we hit the end of the ragnarok story and then uh next saturday the plan is to do the the last presumably of the god of ragnarok streams in which we'll check out many common criticisms um it's gonna be exciting and fun i'm sure the regardless though thank you all very much for uh joining us keeping us company for kind donations and well be in you you be in you check we will see you in just about 12 hours unbelievable yay doodle beep yeah we'll see you guys tomorrow catch you bye bye toodaloo you flim flams oh my god in three minutes it won't be tomorrow in three minutes it'll be today oh my god yeah i guess in some places in the world yeah yeah it's been today for a whole hour for me i've been today for most of the day um i'm heading up the rear