 Good morning, sir. Please take your seat. Thank you, sir. Mr. Jai. Mr. Jai, will you briefly introduce yourself? My name is Mr. Jai. I was born in Chennai, but I had the opportunity to grow up in Chennai, Mumbai, and Delhi. My father was working with the PSU, so it was a transferable job. I have an elder brother who is working in the U.S. And right after studies, I took up BA owners in economics, a three-year course. And after completing that, I joined the Indian Revenue Service, Customs and GST. And here again, I got the opportunity to be part of the service when we were implementing the GST. Very nice. You have a long list of hobbies. Yes, sir. What has happened is, since I was shifting around, one thing which my parents taught me and which I learned is whatever opportunity that I get, I should take it up to learn something new. And that itself became a hobby. So when I was in Mumbai, I got the chance to do roller skating and take up calligraphy. Then in Delhi, the opportunity for tennis came up, and even Chinese language. So that's how it comes up. And learning Vedachanting and understanding its meaning. Yes, sir. What is it? Sir, one thing is that Vedachanting runs in the family from my grandfather and parents. And at the age of around seven or eight, my grandfather gave me this shloka, the Gayatri Mantra. He talked about it in the Ganapata, that is the first sentence. That he showed me that it could be chanted in five different ways. Something like if there are four words, one, two, two, one, one, two, three, three, two, one. And what struck me was the manner in which something which is more than 3,000 years old has carried on without any written form, just the oral tradition. And the manner in which it is still preserved, that is something which struck me. And that's how I started Vedachanting. And as I started chanting and as I grew up, I came across Vedic mathematics and concepts like that, where there are scientific things which are mentioned in the Vedas. That got me interested in understanding the meaning of what I've been chanting. And that's how it started, sir. What does it mean? Let me, my ears hear all good things. It talks about completeness. May there be, may people reach completeness in the sense, the heights of excellence. It's a prayer that things should reach their completion and people strive for completeness and excellence. What are the basic features of the four Vedas? Root Vedas, Jajur Vedas, Samo Vedas and Atharva Vedas. So if you look at the text of it, it is said that the Rig Veda consists of hymns in praise of the Lord. The Ajur Veda deals with the rituals. The Samo Veda is a musical form of the Rig Veda. And the Atharva Veda talks about, includes day-to-day practices and rituals as well. This is the basic differences. But a lot of shlokas in the Rig Veda find their place in the Samo Veda as well. And the basic philosophy is about God and also has some scientific features in it. Okay. Have you read today's newspaper? Yes, sir. The Hindu newspaper. What about the Kaveri Water Dispute? What has come out today? There was a meeting chaired by the Secretary for Union Water Resources to discuss about the setting up of a Kaveri Water Management Board. And the Supreme Court directions the judgment had said that within six weeks, a management board has to be set up to ensure that there is proper sharing of waters. And there has been a delay in that. And the news today was with regards to that where Tamil Nadu State has again put up the proposal that... Of course, Supreme Court judgments say that Kaveri Management Board is to be formed. So it was a part of the tribunal judgment. And the Supreme Court judgment talked about that... It talks about a scheme. A scheme has to be done within six weeks. Yes, sir. But it doesn't make any mention or doesn't make any changes to the tribunal's judgment with regards to the management board. And I think the fundamental issue of dispute between all the states was distressed sharing. Sharing of waters when the monsoon fails. And that, again, is the responsibility of the Kaveri Management Board. But this thing has been pointed out by Karnataka Government. Why does it not want that there is a Kaveri Management Board? So the main issue which Kaveri Management Board seeks to remove the individual states authority or autonomy over regulating the water flow. And the Kaveri Management Board will take over the ownership of all the dams through the Kaveri River and will regulate how much water has to be released. Presently it is done by the individual state governments. But the scheme envisaged is that the Kaveri Management Board will take that up. So how do you suggest the dispute is to be resolved? I feel that the Supreme Court's fundamental principle of its judgment is that interstate rivers are national assets and a state cannot have claim over the territorial waters. So to that extent, the states having control over the dams which are in its territory would go against the basic principle of the Supreme Court judgment. So to that extent, it is required that we have a Kaveri Management Board. It has to be constituted, sir. But we can ensure that all the members of the different states are part of it. And the decisions which it takes is transparent, like how the Monetary Policy Committee comes out with it. It's the same manner a transparent CMB. Yes, whenever there is a dispute on river waters, generally a management board has to be there. Like Indus Water Commission is there, in which both India and Pakistan have their members. Yes, sir. So it has to be an independent authority, apart from the states. Okay, thank you. You have done economics. Can you have taken economics? Options. Can you explain what is strong ordering and weak order? With regards to microeconomics, there is this preference set where a strong ordering of preferences against a weak ordering of preference. So a strong ordering would mean that, let's say there are two choices A, B and C, three choices. So a strong ordering of preference of A over B and B over C would mean that in all cases, the preference set A will be preferred over B and C. Whereas in a weak ordering, the preference set is not as strong in the sense A would be preferred over B or equally preferred, so that equality aspect comes in. This is my answer. So the way you have, instead of your ranking of different services, is it a strong ordering or weak ordering? Strong ordering. I opted for just one service. Just one. I have been working in the revenue services and for me it's not about a job in that sense. What I was looking at is a variety of work because the work where I am right now is about just revenue collection. And something which motivates me is the fact that in the IAS, I get to do not just revenue collection, but also working for public spending, welfare, and at a later level even policy formulation. And that is something which excites me and which has made me come here for... Do you think that a very professional decision making is not there in other services? So I feel that the IAS has the variety of opportunities which is there in the IAS is unrivaled compared to the other services. That was my logic for this. When you say not opted, what does it mean? Are you running down the other course? No sir, I am presently in a job. So to that extent I feel that every service has a role to play in our country. And it's all a civil service ultimately. But if I look at them and I'm comparing the other services vis-a-vis my own service, the revenue service, I feel that the opportunity and the variety what excites me is there in the administrative services. That's the reason. In our fiscal system, where do you think the growth rate is higher? Direct taxes or indirect taxes? Sir, the direct taxes traditionally as per the traditional economic model. As the country grows, direct taxes would continue to play a major role. What is happening now? The past couple of years we've noticed that indirect taxes have also gone up a little bit more. And this is mainly because of excise duty on petroleum where while the global crude oil prices declined, the government continued to have a high rate of excise duty which led to a spurt and indirect taxes. And added to that is the GST which is coming up. So why does the GST, the GIN exclude the petroleum? So theoretically a goods and services tax should include all the products in the supply chain. But in the case of petroleum, it's a special case because it contributes revenue to the state governments as well. While center has the direct taxes to collect its revenue from, states do not have that leeway. They only have to rely on petroleum and alcohol for human consumption. That's the reason for keeping it out. Revenue, neutrality, provision of the GST. Yes, sir. So why can't we include it in the GST? There are proposals for inclusion of, because if we look at it constitutionally, petroleum and petroleum products are included as a taxable supply under GST. But it has been said that at a later date the GST council with the consensus of all states will take a call. And we are moving towards that consensus. Once that comes it will be, the supply chain will be smooth, sir. When does the tax become buoyant tax and how do you measure it? Sir, buoyancy is a concept where we look at the improvements in tax revenue, the percentage change in tax revenue as a proportion of percentage change in the growth rate of the economy, the GDP growth. So if there is a growth in let's say a percentage growth in GDP, which leads to a more than one percent increase in the tax rate and the tax collection side, that means it's a buoyant tax where the tax mechanism which we have is better able to capture the growth and gain revenues for the government. In India, what are the factors that contribute to tax emissions? If I look at it, I am reminded of Adam Smith's Canon of Taxation. The first issue which is a problem in India is that there is a complexity of taxes where the varied provisions makes it easy for people to avoid taxes and at the same time people who are genuine and want to pay the taxes, they are not able to understand the provisions. That is the first. Second is the cost of compliance going high where if I have to pay, let's say if I have to file my GST return, in the first month it took me almost half a day to one day to just file my return. So that forms as a disincentive to carry out the compliance process. And thirdly, it also depends on the status of our economy where the informal sector dominates the formal sector. So to that extent we have a very less percentage of population paying the taxes whereas a large percentage is out of the tax net. Do you think the fiscal deficit should be at 5%? Is the government giving that fiscal deficit should be at 5%? Our targets are a 3% target, 3 to 3.5%. And it's with the logic that if government spending goes out of hand, what happens is on the one hand there is a threat of inflation and secondly government spending is from borrowing in the domestic market and this tends to crowd out investments by the small MSME sector. They find it difficult to access funds. The fiscal deficit level of the central government is different from the fiscal deficit level of the state government. Yes, sir. How do you find this situation? Does it contribute to fiscal discipline in the overall context? Again here to answer this question we'll have to go back to the FRBM Act which was the basic guideline which we had brought in for fiscal discipline and there we noticed that bringing in fiscal discipline in the state governments was an easier task because a lot of the spending with regards to development related works was coming out of the central funds. So to that extent states were able to manage the revenue expenditure component better. You have mentioned that you have stood best in firing at the weapons training course of IRS training. Yes, sir. Did that increase your rejoin ideas? Sir, the aspect about weapons training which I loved was the fact that it involved a concentration over the mind and the body because a lot of the long range weapons which we used was about having your body movements under control but for me IPS was something which I didn't prefer because I wanted to do a more... My motivation from the beginning was IAS. That extent it didn't enter as much. Right, now you find not many people from arts background in the civil service. Fortunately you are one of the arts graduates. You have done your commerce. Be honest in economics. Why is it that people from arts background One aspect is the statistical thing that the number of people who take up arts courses vis-a-vis the number of people who do engineering in our country. The numbers are skewed in favor of engineering. So if we look at a percentage, automatically one aspect is we will tend to have a lot many more engineers coming in to the civil services. That is one aspect. But having said that, in recent years the nature of the exam pattern has also been changed. So a lot of people say that the CSAT paper which was there that favored a lot of... that was in favor of people who had done engineering background. My personal opinion sir, I feel it's both courses will equally equip you to carry out whatever qualities which are needed in the IAS. Ultimately an IAS officer should be one who can manage people around them and the subject knowledge is something which everybody can pick up. It just needs that aptitude and the ability to manage people and manage situations. So to that extent the education background doesn't matter much. Yes sir. Why is that you have a lot of opposition for Vedic learning in Tamil Nadu? What are the basic issues here? Sir, if you look at it more than Vedic learning the opposition is towards... what has happened is Vedic learning tends to be associated with Brahminism and caste oppression because Tamil Nadu had the history of the Periyar justice movement of Dr. Periyar. And what happened is the society moved towards a caste-less system where people had reduced, dropped their surnames and things like that where caste based, overt expression of caste identities was removed. So what has happened is the opposition is towards caste-based oppression and it is noticed that Vedic chanting is felt. It is a caste-based occupation. So people from the Brahmin caste are the ones who have access to the Vedas and hence it became a symbol of opposition. That is the reason sir. But is it true that the Brahmins are the ones who chant the Vedas? Sir, I feel that the opportunity for learning the Vedas is available for every caste group because if we go back to the original system how it was there in the earlier period. The chanting of Vedas was open to men, women and the other caste persons as well. It was more of an occupational based Varna system rather than rigid caste hierarchy. But sad fact is it has degenerated into a birth based system where a son or the child of a Brahmin becomes a Brahmin. So to that extent it had degenerated to that but the original idea is that it is open for anybody who is willing to learn. Is that like the periodist moment when the government, the caste-based societies are a part of it? Yes sir. Are you really subscribed to that view? Because nowadays we find certain parties belonging to certain common factions. They are voting for certain parts of the government. If that is true then this should happen. Sir, if we look at the country situation as a whole I feel that Tamil Nadu's situation with regards to caste violence had improved substantially compared to the other states. But having said that there is also the concept of Sanskritization which the anthropologist, sociologist Srinivas had given where what happens is the existing caste hierarchies continues to dominate and the mid-level, I mean just to give, to explain I'm just talking about a hierarchy with, although I don't subscribe to that but the fact is the caste who consider themselves as a dominant or mid-level caste want to continue their dominance over the so-called Dalits or the oppressed classes and when the economic system leads to equal growth of all sections of the society they tend to oppose it by reinforcing the caste identity and caste superiority. That's the reason for the presence of caste clashes in the country but I feel that the situation in Tamil Nadu because of the Periyaras movement was much better as compared to the other. If you look at the education achievements of Tamil Nadu, the health, the role of women all these three are much better because of the justice movement started by Dravidian parties. Let me begin with the economics. For a long time the classical economics was dominated by what is for the utilitarian tradition. Can I tell you something about that? Sir, the utilitarian tradition was with regards to the fundamentals of economics was how to measure an individual's improvement, material improvement because of a particular policy or an economic change. So the utilitarian movement measured, tried to express this in terms of people's benefits. The concept of utility is the benefits that I gained from a particular change. So if we analyze prices and tax measure, then the utility gained by the person was a judging criteria. So let us say a tax was introduced or the price of a commodity had changed. Then the utility change was measured and based on that the prices would come out. It was the Alfred Marshall concept of utility which was prevalent in the early times. Sir, you will not improve the father of economics in the utilitarian tradition. Alfred Marshall, his focus was on wealth and of course he started the aspect but I feel the work of the subsequent theorists focused more on the distribution aspect and that is where the utility theory was more important. So you would associate the utilitarian tradition one with Alfred Marshall? Even Walrus, Walrusian Marshall, Adam Smith, Adam Smith of course was the wealth of nations and he talked about the wealth theory but Marshall and Walrus were focused on distributional aspects. That is why utility played a major role. Classical economics also had a discourse on welfareism against development. So what is the present state of the debate, the traditional dichotomy between welfare and development? Sir, I think we generally tend to talk about there being a strict separation as growth and distribution but the actual difference is more known in the sense it's a debate about what is to be given more priority over whether we focus on growth or we focus on first redistribution to facilitate growth. It's like saying that the growth theory talks about the people who support the emphasis on growth it's about how a cake has to be increased, the size of the cake has to be increased before sharing it. So to increase the size of the cake growth is the major factor which drives that the theorists who focus more on distribution aspect feel that redistributing the existing resources particularly areas like education and health will drive the growth further and that will lead to a more equitable study so that's the dichotomy. It's about where we emphasis and I feel the recent development in this field is that all theorists recognize the role of education as an important factor. So a distribution or a growth where education or human capital is focused upon rather than finance capital that would work. So how would you locate Amartya Seny into this debate on welfare versus development? So Professor Amartya Sen's views were more with regards to the development or sorry the welfare aspect about distribution. His theory of freedoms which talks about expanding the people's freedoms will automatically lead to a growth. What's the name of his book in this debate? Yes sir. He had a book? Yes sir, he had co-authored it with John Reyes. Yes. It had come in 2016. Last year, two years back. Argumentative Indian. You heard about it? Yes sir. Okay, can you do something about this book? At least the substance of it. Asian drama. So you haven't... Gunnar Midan. Gunnar Midan. Gunnar model. You've got double price. Yes sir, so model's theory was about... Asian drama. It's about, my question pertains to Asian drama as such. Sir, I haven't come across this. Okay. One of your hobbies is to interact with people to understand their culture. Now, people say that Tamilians are more ethnocentric, jingoistic, rather than people of other states. Now, you are actually a Hindi speaking person but who was born and brought up in Tamil Nadu. What do you have to say to this? Sir, if you look at... One of the reasons is that Tamil Nadu has a rich cultural heritage which has carried forward and has not been... Has not changed over the years. It has modified and it has updated with changing times. But the essence of it has carried on. And I think if we look at the entire history of the world, apart from the Chinese and the Chinese civilization and Iran, India civilization, the Sanskrit traditions and Tamil traditions, are the only cultures which have lived on for almost 3000 years. So to that extent, there is a rich cultural heritage and identifying and having that as the element of people of Tamil Nadu in the recent years, it cannot be ignored. That is one aspect. Having said that, I recently came across an article by a person from Madhya Pradesh who had settled in Chennai. There, it gives an interesting insight that the people of Tamil Nadu continue to accept outsiders. So it is not that they are more jingoistic and harp on to their own traditions. People of Tamil Nadu continue to accept and they make an attempt to reach out to people from the other states as well. So to that extent, and if you look at the data, the maximum number of people who moved out of Tamil Nadu and served across the country and in the other parts of the world are Tamilians. To say that they are jingoistic and they are culturally very close would not be correct. That is my point. It is not a close culture. You say it is open. There are people of Tamil Nadu, as a Tamilian, what I can say is, while I respect the cultures of others and I am open to it, at the same time, I also hold on to my identity. That is the difference. It is a good statement. Which one? You are quoting somebody's statement. No, sir. It is mine. You are quoting. You don't answer it. Whose statement is that? Whose Prime Minister quoted at Davos? Oh. It is a Gandhi statement. Okay, sir. It is a Gandhi statement. I will be in my house. So let all wind from all directions come through it. But I will not be blown off my feet. You should know that. Our Prime Minister quoted at Davos. Okay. Right. Moving on to politics. Yes, sir. Right? Right. So, you see, now, recent election shown in the Northeast. EJB had only few seats, but they were able to make, come back to power, not coming to power. The other party, operant party, the largest number of seats, even by Congress. Okay. How do you see this scenario? Now, when you are in power, you can purchase anything. If you are referring to the Meghalaya... Not only Meghalaya in all seats, even Meghalaya, even all three seats. But, sir, in Meghalaya and Nagaland, to be specific, I think before the elections, the governments had a pre-poll alliance that they were all part of the Northeast Democratic Association. Okay. Where one of the common, let's say enemies, political enemies was the Congress party. So to that extent, if the alliance, after the results came out, had the largest number of seats, they were able to form a government. And traditionally, if you look at it, there is a theory that psychologically, the regional party will want to ally with the party which is in power at the center. That is a psychological thing, where you would want more resources for your state's development. So you would get more from your big printer. Yes, sir. From the party which is in the center. Center. That's what is big printer. That is released in early. So that's all. This has been the case with, regardless of BJP or Congress, in the issue throughout our history, sir. Okay. In the NDA, constituents, now, Telangana is moving out and saying that the Andhra Pradesh should be given the special status. Now, finance minister told that we'll give a package, not the special status. Okay. How do you see the difference of special status in the package? Sir, of course, the Telangana party had withdrawn from the government, but they still are part of the NDA. But the main issue was in the Rajisabha, when the split of Telangana and Andhra Pradesh had come up, there was an assurance about giving special status. The fundamental benefit of being a special status state, special category state is that when it comes to development funding, the center will share 90%. The breakup would be 90 to 10, whereas it's in a normal state, 60, 40. But the reason why our finance minister says he's not able to give that is, this law was passed in 2014. But from 2015 to 20, we had the 14th finance commission, which specifically made a statement that special category states, special category status should be restricted only to the northeastern states and the three hilly states. So constitutionally, our finance minister is not in a position to carry out a measure where we give special status. But what he's promised is that the finance aspect, that is the amount of financial benefit which would have accrued to Andhra Pradesh, will be compensated. And he has said that we'll have a mechanism to ensure that fiscal deficit is not affected because again central and state governments have targets for bringing the deficits under control. This was the issue. Okay. Now you lived in Chennai, Mumbai and Delhi. You studied in Stevens. Yes. Now you have seen three metros. Yes, sir. And the MRT, mass transport, it's like all the states now, all the metros we have. Now one swift action that we have to take it in Delhi, we had to take it in since from 2000. It's about metro. Right? But even having started metro, still the congestion or pollution did not come down. What could be the reason? Because you lived in Delhi. But it is not the case in Mumbai or in Chennai. First aspect is with regards to the geographic location. Because Delhi by virtue of being inside a continentality factor means that the atmosphere, whatever pollutants are there, they're not cleared faster. Whereas Mumbai and Chennai by virtue of being coastal city has that benefit. Secondly, we also see that the rate of growth of Delhi has been the fastest, not just in our country but the world over. And the nature of growth of Delhi has been we have six lane roads in the middle of the city. So that automatically encourages people to buy more cars. So a household in Delhi will have on an average two cars. That is the... Okay. Now, coming from here. It is a description of the Brahman. If you take nothing from it it is always full. It is always full. If you take nothing from it it is always full. It is always full. If you take full it is still full. If you take a small amount from it it is also full. If you take the full out of the full it is still full. So full is still the remaining. Okay. The description of the Brahman. Okay. Second, so coming to the fiscal deficit. It is three percent that nothing is sacrosanct about it. Where from three percent comes? It is from you. Yes. It has to have around three percent and no death penalty. All those provisions are there. Okay. Now there is an FRBM committee under NKC. Yes, sir. It talked about a movement from a fiscal deficit target to a debt target. A debt target is separate. Forty percent for center and twenty percent for state. Sixty percent total. That is a different thing. On fiscal deficit what does it say? It called for having a fiscal management committee. It says it should be a band. Not a fixed number like three percent. A band like the inflation band. Yes, sir. Four plus minus two. So either two or six. So it talks about exactly don't give three percent make it a band. Okay. So that nothing. Around three months back there was a very brilliant article on this fiscal deficit in economic times. It relates these fiscal deficit norms to the capital formation. Gross fixed capital formation. Yes, sir. In India case, it is much less. Now twenty-six, twenty-seven percent. It has come down in 2007, 2008. It was the highest. Thirty-seven percent. Thirty-seven. Around ten percent it has reduced. So it says that in other developed countries it is much more. So we need not have it at three percent. The article is simply brilliant. If I can tell you later on the date on which they have. I remember coming across. Yes, yes. It had come. It was a beautiful analysis of the fiscal deficit as to why it is of exact respect about this three percent. And we just cannot blindly follow what you, because you is all everything it developed. Yes. Thank you. I think you are a technical informationist also. You have to be in the areas related to tax and the policies. And we have got to be very new born. Additions like you have to add. I will push on your answer with the other information because there are certain indicators which we get from the conditional basis. But in our system it is very difficult to because we have a lot of designated expenditures. Government expenditures which have to be on it. So we cannot restrict them using I think you must have an answer for saying not opted for other services. Some convincing answer. Economist will understand that. You are able to give an answer. But you are very swift from you are very categorical. That may be have been told now because of rapid fire you tend to be categorical. So trying to nothing can be categorical. But there is always another dimension. And also the rapid response to try to get to it. I am not asking you to slow down completely. Rapidly reacting without time. That can be taken care of. Also about your interest you are sure about it. Because Chinese and very challenging diverse fields. So probably Chinese language and language and very challenging all the things why just why you have certain issues. You are in very challenging. Suppose somebody puts in the score it is. Is it in the score it is? Intangible it has got. Very challenging suppose somebody wants you to put in a spot recently one union minister said South Indians only chant better. North Indians don't do it. Suppose questions of that kind is asked but we prepared for an answer. That makes note for his controversial statements. But one of the statement he has given is this. Suddenly the interest in very challenging issues with regard to the cosmic way of play. For the last three quarters all of a sudden it has got a political vote on it. Yes. IIT because the prayer was sent. Yes. You are living in a particular state where things are not in government mainstream. So the panel may ask you some questions to know why it doesn't happen. Controversial statements like evolution is not correct. Education minister Education minister Education minister. And he also said that I am a machine chemistry. I am not an art student. That is what he said the next day. Next day I said I am not an art student. I am an MSC in chemistry. Okay. I think when you discuss about the Euthelian tradition usually the discussion stems from the basic concept of rationality. In fact the whole idea of Euthelianism is associated with British economics. British economics. Okay. How Amartya Sen was trying to break the traditional dichotomy between welfareism and development. That is that you need to expose. And in fact my earlier question was a leading question and led to Amartya Sen. So I thought this would figure in your discussion but it did not. Okay. Fine. I will let you tell you the name of Amartya Sen's book. There are two books. Amartya Sen and Bhagavati on the other side. So I will tell you the name of the books. Two books are there. There was a book review in the Economist magazine which led to the whole. Latest one book has come in January. The review came Education The Wealth of Nations. The Real Wealth of Nations. Yes sir. Yes sir. The Real Wealth of Nations. Yes. You are on the observation belly and then it was the correct reason that is that one thing I expected this giving a special status and it is all politics. Right. And the self-government state and in the VA minister told and he told it is right. So then other than that about sitting comparing about the state and the cities just perfect. Because 50% of our pollution, pollutant get really attracted to us and it goes to the seas. Right. There is a system in the science also. So that is what it is a little bit neat. It is also very dirty. But there is no other way that in the daily pollution gets really substituted. You are understanding that overall I found but the thing is that you are there for service and revenue custom. GST you must be now proud. Nobody will ask about GST. It is literally in some other areas where you have to be very strong. Economics is something I wanted to really ask. I did not ask because I found after giving the answer economics also was strong. So overall you are giving very good answer but expectation will be very high because of your seniority in the movement for the last 6 years. You are working into the lines Delhi. So being prepared for complicated economic questions on the applied side. Both theoretically you are able to explain but applied side you must be prepared because some professor from Delhi will be there. But sir he will be able to do I know what is the basic theory in that book education the wealth of nation. Sir he talked about it way he talked about common theories that there is a growing inequality in the world. He said that finance capital inequality is there but if we look at it in terms of education we find that the differences between the countries are converging. To be clear where there is more education there is more income there. And there is more possibility of future incomes. The basic if an educated community has greater income. But whatever the way it may go you will be ready I think you will answer every question you have asked. But your experience is there. But the expectation will be very high that is what I know. The expectation is high. Achievement will also be high. What sir says it is like we really fulfill that aspiration and also get very good marks. At this stage my target is to get the maximum marks. Sir he is already in the civil service. Sir already service only. 6 years back. 2012 exam. 2013 I took the interview. 14 again I was there. Whatever is greater is not achieved easily. Achieved easily is not greater. But you know Tamil? Yes sir I am from Yes sir. See man You are last 5 years of senior. 4 years. Do you think you will really make it to the top of this law? But sir still he is only 27 years old. Yes sir. No no ultimately I think 22 will cause past exam. He has a fair chance of being the chairman. Chairman yes. Of Central Golden Customs. In IASU they will make up. In terms of joint secretary at presently there is a disparity of almost 9 years between IASU and IASU. For me what motivates is the job factor. Now he told that answer. He has come out. Because he is into it so he knows that. Overall I found good. They will make it. It is not making it sir. But personal liking it. But prepare yourself. Because they are going to take a lot of IASU people now. Because IASU cattle is only 7800. They are demanding to be 1600. Because India is one of the lowest. Even Singapore has 700. So IASU cattle has to increase. Other IASU 6000. Revenue service income tax is around 5000. So all are very big cattle. And so far diplomacy is concerned. India needs a lot of more diplomats. Such a big country and having embassy almost everywhere. So this has taken a staggered manner foreign service. Thank you. When is your interview? 20th of March sir. 20th only. Thank you.