 Welcome to Toffy TV, well, we all know by now the Super League has been announced, 12 clubs have signed up with three more set to be announced as well and five teams will make up the 20 strong league, they will be floating members, whatever that means, with the clubs involved. Getting a share of 3.5 billion dollars, or euro sorry, just to be part of the initial sign up, which is apparently a 23 year commitment. Why 23? I have no idea, I'm not 25, but anyway, this has sent seismic shockwaves through football, the simple premise is that it will be a midweek European tournament with, as I said, 15 teams that are always in it, five teams that come in year on year out on merit, whatever that merit is, and it's a closed shop, and all these clubs will be making 200, 300 million pounds a year by just being in the league, all of those teams think that they will remain in their own leagues and play domestic tournaments, but obviously they will not be playing in any UEFA tournaments, and it's just a load of shite, it is, I might get to it in this video, I'll be honest, this completely undermines football in whatever was left of football, I know football in the last 25, 30 years has only been going one way, but this just puts the nail in the coffin in terms of football pyramids and any hope, any, like, any diminishing hope, any club like Everton had, or Leicester, or West Ham, or Southampton, or whoever, or, you know, Atlanta in Italy, and, you know, Lille in France, and this takes away that last hope of, I don't know, just being anything, because I think, I honestly think, if this was to go through, I think in 25 years, football would just be absolutely dead, dead, and you'd have this one league and nothing else. OK, let's unpick that then. I don't agree with the last statement. No, no, if this, if this, if it was allowed to go ahead, and those teams are allowed to have the power they want, I still think football will exist, because there's a lot of football fans other than these 12 teams in the world, you can talk about kids growing up and seeing, you know, the super league, which is, by the way, could they not have got a better logo? Someone's knocked that up in the bills in the past bedroom, haven't they? And therefore, you're right in, once this is up and running, and then kids growing up, will want to, this will probably be the thing that they're focused on, but the thing with football clubs is they're in every community, wherever that is throughout the world. OK, if you're not part of this, it's like, it's kind of like saying, the Southampton fans still show Southampton do, Evertonian still support, they haven't win on the Champions League, neither have they. The Champions League already, don't forget, is, it's not a close shop, but it's very difficult to get into the Champions League, particularly in England, because of the way the money has been funneled to give those teams at the top the best opportunity to stay there, it's great when clubs like Leicester come along and break that, and Leicester have done really well, but they still only played in the Champions League. Once, in the last five years, since they won the league, and they may get in this year, although it's wobbling a little bit at the moment, but they may well get back in it this year, fair play to them, but in general, the teams you go in at the Champions League are the money teams, the teams you've been at the top, the teams you take the most revenue out of the league, it's self-perpetuating every single season, so it's difficult to get in there, but the caveat to that is, there is that opportunity if you do have a good season. Now, we've heard about the way the Champions League reforms, you know, when Agnelly, the eventer's fella, he was the one, you know, was the chairman of the DECI, he was the one driving the reforms in the Champions League, but don't forget, this super league was mooted six months ago, and it was put out there, and at the time, we were talking saying it's one step down from a super league, we've been speaking about this since we were doing radio back in 2012, we were talking about this, and this has been building up to it. When they put that thing out, these clubs are looking at the super league and it was up, bro, not really happening other than them saying we've had discussions, right, and I thought at the time, that was just a pure power play to get through the reforms for the Champions League, what they wanted, because don't forget, Agnelly wanted six clubs guaranteeing the Champions League no matter where they finish, if you like Liverpool, if you Manchester United, if you Chelsea, whatever, you don't finish in it, because this club, you went to struggle, in fact, they lost again, I think, at the weekend, at the fifth hour or something, he wanted them guaranteed to get in it, without, you know, cast iron guarantees, and the others would be a flip of a coin, whether, even if you finished fourth, it was unsure whether you'd get in, they got knocked back a bit, but UEFA have offered now two free, you know, two wild cards for the best co-efficiencies and stuff, so they got that through, but the reason why this time it's very different is these clubs have all come out issued statements, they've all resigned from the ECA, they've resigned from the UEFA club federation as well, which is a separate thing, the money's been poured out and we're getting statements, we just did not long before filming this, they've agreed 23 year contracts and all that, so it really is moving into the directs that they want, and I think for them, they just want a close shop where they can pick and choose who comes in it, they've got the guaranteed money, all the club's futures are basically guaranteed at the expense of competition. Well, at the expense of the rest of football, like literally, and this is what I mean about the death of football is that I'm not saying that there's not going to be football in 25 years, I'm not saying there's only going to be one league, I think that's impractical, but what I do think is there isn't going to be a league one and there isn't going to be a league two in our country, because I just don't think there's going to be any money, those clubs are struggling enough, I just don't think there's going to be any money, because I think this is going to siphon off all the money, why, number one, I know the Premier League don't put enough money into league one and league two as it is, so a Premier League with less money, with less big clubs, less money-seeking around it, it's going to mean the death of those clubs, and if they go, then the teams that then are in the championship are going to have to start looking over the shoulder, and that's what I mean, everything is going to be focused on this, let's not kid ourselves, we're sitting here now and we're all outraged and we're saying it's terrible and it can't happen and we'll all support our clubs, but that's this generation, these football owners do not care about us as football fans, we know that, we know they don't care, they don't care about me and you, we've been sitting in our seats for God knows how many years, maybe they're everything they do, but that's because they rely on us, because we are in a super power, because we are in a super club, in a super league, but a team like Liverpool, a team like Manchester United, they don't care about their fans, they don't want people holding season tickets, we know that for the fact because Liverpool have very, very strict rules about people passing season tickets on within the family, you've got a season ticket and you die, that season ticket is supposed to go back to the club, you can't just keep paying for it, that's not how it works, they don't want people having season tickets, because all season tickets is, someone paying once a year to go to the match and nothing else, they want people turning up every week new in your seat, so that person treats it like a day at Disneyland, so they buy everything in the club shop, so they might go for a meal before the game, or after the game, or go to the museum the day before the game, or the day after the game, I'm sure they'll build a hotel on that land next to it and they want you to stay there as well, they want that trip like you're going on all of these, like a little mini break to go on what's Liverpool, it's my dream, oh it's my bucket list, Manchester United it's my bucket list, and every week they want that different person, and that's what they want, and we as fans, we expect something from our club, but the club's now attaining around with the American owners, driving it, we've come from that, the model of, you know you spoke to a few years back, you spoke to Phil Rowlands from, from Orlando, and we were questioning the idea that Orlando at the time were playing in a 60,000 seater stadium, and they'd filled it quite a few times, and then they were moving into a 25,000 and we were like what are you doing that for, cos we're English football fans, we want bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, cut the ticket prices, not make them, and he was just like that's not how America works, America, one smaller arena's, hottest ticket in town, lowest priced ticket is $100, so that, and I know that's not always the way, but in things like NBA that is the way, and that's what they want, they want us all squabbling on ticket websites, Why do you think MLS has been shown against relegation, because these owners pay money to get in by the franchise, go in they don't want the prospect of getting relegated to Arabic, because they want that guaranteed money, and this is all this is, I've seen Louisville, I've seen you know, an American team trying to get in to the MLS, and they're having to wait, I've said outcome, Europe's got MLS before we have, you know, and things like that, because they're just looking, and that's what it is, to me though it's not MLS, to me it's NFL, It's NFL, because what NFL has shown, and the owners, and obviously the owners have shown that in the last few years, and funny enough I think actually the glazers are one of the biggest representation of what they want, they've owned Manchester United for years and years, and we know what's happened financially with them, what they've took out of them, but they look at Manchester United and they've been pouring money in for players, and all they've really got for me is a league cup in a Europa League, and they might get a Europa League this season, and they might get a Finnish second, last year in the NFL they brought on Bradian, and they won the Super Bowl, and that's what they want, they want that thing where you can just go and get that one player and change it whole dynamic, because of the way the market works in the NFL, and I think that's what they want, they see football as you've got to pour money into it, but they're going to go into a league where they're up against Manchester City who won't have any rules, but the difference is they are absolutely guaranteed in money in this, and also don't forget champions league is not always a certainty or you can get knocked out and knock out of the latter part which is obviously where the money really starts to flow for people like them, so they've shown what they want, and to me the biggest problem with this is, no matter what happens out of it, football will be changed for such a way, because the champions league have come out today and showed their proposals, and their proposals are not much better, we did a video last week for the footy show, their proposals are not better, their proposals are about keeping the money in these people's hands, but again they haven't gone far enough, because I think one of the owners of one of these clubs basically came out and said, we're the 12 biggest clubs in the world, we have the more fans than anybody else put together, and basically he said we deserve all the money, and that when you're coming from that point of view, you're showing your hands straight away, you can talk about oh we're going to give money to this or that, we know what you are, we've showed this with the international right of the money, with the top six in England, wanted more money than the rest of them, and I've seen it, it's very interesting when you're on something like Twitter and you put stuff out, the angles that people come out, I've got a few there now, if ever and the rest, you know, you tune and be different, well it wouldn't, because I'd still be going, this is disgusting, because it is disgusting, we've been speaking to the lads and the red men, they're absolutely devastated because football is changing, it's totally changing, no one, these fellas who own these football clubs like you said early on, they're not bad, they don't care about fans, they just want guaranteed money, and we still have a romantic element in football, because otherwise why would you go, the romance is what takes you there, you'll have this belief that your team can be good and can win stuff and you'd enjoy going, you want to farm that down to a sanitised pre-season friendlies, which is what it is really, and I know you're right, in a few years it'll become a thing and to those clubs it'll be important, but for us now looking at it, it just looks like to me, you're getting put in a glorified friendly scenario, there's no jeopardy on it, it's the international champions thing, that's exactly what it is, but what's quite funny is bad, and this is where I would be really disappointed if I was a fan of Liverpool, not disappointed, gutted, if I was a fan of Liverpool, and they're the high end, so if I was a fan of them, I'd be thinking, we're going to become the new Everton, no, but I would, in that competition, we're going to become the new Arsenal, or they're going to be the new Burnley, and taught them of the new palace, because quite frankly, those clubs are going to go into this tournament and they're going to sit in that league and they're not going to do anything, they're not going to do anything, because Manchester City are going to have no FFB rules and have all that money, and Real Madrid are going to be the same, and Liverpool will go from being a club, that I've probably got a 1 in 4 chance of winning the league, to now a 1 in 20, and that's on me, I just be looking and thinking, But from it, yeah, you're right, and they're obviously giving that power up, but just looking from what it'll do to the game, I mean, the Premier League obviously needs those clubs because they're big clubs, but it can't survive without them, but it has to be creative, and that'll drop down, the league championship has to be creative, and league 1, league 2, it will be a league, because it's been a league since it started, and when I love the thing going round with the Fander, you know, if you're a Fander, you're bad just on this, the rest of you don't matter, and stuff like that, because the league was Fander, now, it's how it markets, it's going to have to remark it itself, and it's done a brilliant job of that, albeit with the help of Liverpool United, of course it has, and I'm not denying that at all, and I never would, but Chelsea, when the Premier League kicked off for a no-mark club, absolute no-mark club, you know, trotting them, I've done nothing for that, I know, I like Spurs, but they've done nothing. They literally have just got a big stadium in Potatino, got them playing some nice footy for a couple of years, and all of a sudden they're in the elite, so clubs have come up and built momentum and built momentum, and you can do that, and you know, yes, six clubs are at that, huge clubs, but in the Premier League aspect of huge clubs, Premier League's still be left with Evan and Aston Villa, who are the big club, Leeds United, got big following, Newcastle, you know it, and I know I'm massively egging these other clubs up here, but big fan bases will still follow those clubs, and it's how you market that right. No, you're absolutely right. But what I don't like about the whole thing is, and people have said to me, but I still do, being there, I can't sit here and say they wouldn't, I really can't, but what I'm saying is, the thing that's disgusting about the whole thing, and I have this thing in me about injustice, I hate injustice in anything, it really gets me more than anything else. People having to go up people, and it's all, you know, that kind of thing, or people wanting everything waited in their favour, and it really, it's something I don't know whether it's in my soul or my DNA or something, it gets me back up immediately. And this is injustice because these clubs are turning around going, we do need all of you, because we're only here because of all of you, but we don't give a fuck about any of you. Because we want the money so you can do one, because all I want to do is protect my little area. Do you have anything to do with one thing that was absolutely disgusting? None of them have denied that. That's the thing I was saying. Because without all the other clubs, there is no competition. None of them have denied it. No, but the thing about it is though, you are right, and let's be honest, the birth of the Premier League was the thin end of the wedge. Let's be honest, I know it's different, I know it's different, and I know it was. I know it's different than this, but it was the thin end of the wedge, it was what started, it gave the clubs the power. And at the time, we know, in a way, what was different was when the Premier League started, the league was taking all the money, and facilities everywhere were terrible, and the clubs didn't feel like they were getting the money, and the TV deals were terrible. And the clubs wanted the power to say, right, we want to start having good facilities, we want to make football better, and they've done that, let's be honest, they've done that, the stadiums are all a lot better now. Clubs have become their own thing, but obviously what's come out of that is, those are league clubs, the ones who put themselves in a position, sadly our club weren't really even though we were part of it. Those clubs now want all the power, so I'm not sitting here going, oh, this is the worst thing in the world, because I know it started with the Premier League, and I know there'll be fans of clubs not enforced, clubs like that out there will be like, oh, how do you like it? How do you like that? But this is, one thing you can say about this is that the Premier League slightly isn't, this is anti-competition, because there's no competition, because we're not allowed to be in it. And they'd be right, because every where part of those people talking about creating this new Premier League, I hate the Premier League, the way it is, the way it's gone with Sky, then too, the Premier League and Sky damaged football far more than anything else, the way it went, because football with the old face division and stuff like that, there was competition. Sky have egged on, they used the top four now, they used the top six. They've egged on those big clubs, and they buy put them on TV all the time, because obviously you've got more fans, and people want to see you more on the TV, they've made it more, they've taken away from the grassroots to local fans and give it to the national fans and now it's the worldwide fans, so Sky egged it on. Of course we were all implicit in it, we were all implicit when we all wanted our owner, our million billion pound owner, but that's because we're always trying to keep up with the Joneses, especially like for clubs like Heaven, they were one of the last ones to it, and frankly they've made a mess of it. You're all trying to keep up with each other, and then FFP's come in and FFP, let's be honest, there's the thing that's pushed them all over the edge, because FFP was the thing that was supposed to say to clubs that you can't do your own thing any more, but that's caused so much distortion in the way you use it. You've got a boss house but you're not allowed to build any more, but these people with shanty terms, you're not allowed to build any more, and there's a huge gap between them, and the Premier League has been a fault with that. The Champions League, which went from the European Cup, which originally though, that was to fight off a super league then. It was, but what I'm saying is when it was the European Cup, you've got the genuine champions of Europe in it, because they were all the champions of Europe and the best one, then it was, well, we'll let the runners up in as well, and we'll create your right to fend off, and it got bigger and bigger, and now they're trying to do reforms. I've got no issue with football developing, it has things, it has to develop, but when it's developing just to help a certain few at the expense of everybody else, it's disgusting. It's all very well-go and we'll make this European Super League, whatever, if everyone benefits, but everyone doesn't benefit. So because these clubs don't want you to have the same as them, because that thing of like, it's great. When you're on one side of the argument, when you're in the party, it's great, you're just in the party, when you're outside the party, we've seen it with Liverpool, you know, when they have money to spend and all that, and then all of a sudden, their owners were like, no, no, we're not spending money, then they're having a go with other teams for spending it. We've done the same, we've fumed, when we couldn't spend money, and everyone was laughing at us, then we got money, and it's like, well, we had a try on the spending money. You know, we've said before, really, if you wanted to make it proper competition and drum all the interest back up in it, make it exciting, salary cap everyone, give people a pot and go, that's what you've got to spend. We have called for loads of times on this channel, by the way. No, loads, and go, yeah, if you're really that good a club, there's your 100 million for your wages. How are you going to do it? This is a power, this is a power grab, it's not, you can't tell me. Arsenal, we're members, we're the founder members, never going to win it, we never going to win it. Arsenal, fell out 55 members of staff. Shaq Gunasoros. Shaq Gunasoros, took a £300 million loan off the government over every Welsh. As did Tottenham. As did Tottenham, and I've now sold the soul to get in this super league. Whilst being 8 or 9 or something, 9th in the Premier League, you know, and needing a 98 minute dodgy goal to equalise against Fulham, 18th place Fulham around. So, that kind of thing is disgusting to me, the fact that you're just jumping shit again. Instead of going, no, well, let's sort everybody out. And I know clubs do it, don't get me wrong, but the biggest thing for me is these clubs now need to be expelled. There's not a chance on earth they can go. This competition is replacing the Champions League and we're still playing in our Premier League. There's no chance. There's no chance, and the simple fact is, even if you want to talk about what it would mean, if the Premier League are in a no win situation here, if day 16 stay, then they've broken all the rules, but they're allowed to stay. Premier League came out yesterday and said they'll be expelled. Every league said that yesterday, and now every league needs to say that again. And UEFA have come out and said all the players won't be able to play international games. That needs to be absolutely nailed down. So, the Premier League needs to come out now, I think, and say, right, you've actually got 28 days to resign from the Super League, or you are out of the Premier League, for me. That's what needs to happen. But the only problem with that is, and this is where the problem is, some of those teams, Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, they drive a lot of finances to the Premier League. We're not stupid, we know that. They drive the international contracts, TV contracts, they drive the domestic contracts, so money will be lost. And where does that shortfall come from for the whole of the pyramid? So, let's just... So, from Evan's point of view, right, if Evan weren't building a stadium, I would be one of those people who would just be like, See ya. But my worry is, certainly in the short term is, with Evan building a stadium, and there being so much uncertainty, because this is like Brexit, there's so much uncertainty, nobody knows what's actually going to happen, because no one knows what is happening, because actually the details are really sketchy so far. But they have all resigned from the, you know, that kind of thing, so they have actually basically said, we're doing it. But we don't know when it's happening for the start, could be next year, could be year after, could be year after, I don't know. And that to me, my worry as a fan, is that we've put so much time and effort, and we know what the stadiums are future. That people were alone enough for one assurance, and we've said loads of times that stadium needs to be paid for over 30 years. Now, for us, we could say, right, well, this is a really good opportunity. We're suddenly going to be, we're suddenly going to have six teams that aren't any competition anymore for us. That gives us a real chance of winning the league. Champions League, we've got a real chance of getting into it. Of course the finances and champions will go down as well. But do what we lose in the Premier League, and what we make up for in a different champions league. But don't forget this is going to be a champions league, that's still going to have German clubs in it. Still going to have PSG in it. PSG in it. It'll still have English representation, it'll still have Spanish representation. Lost a lot of big clubs, I appreciate that. But it's a real opportunity for Leipzig. Leipzig are a club that have come from nowhere, and they're playing the Champions League now. So we used to say there's not going to, there couldn't be another Leipzig. PSG ten years ago, went a massive brand. On the first league in 20 years, 30 years, nine years ago. So, but they went a massive brand, now they're a massive brand. There will be opportunities that people will see. Now can we make that money up in the champions that we lose? What they do and what people wanted when they're lonely is, assurances you're not going to go down. So therefore again, those six teams get out of it, then it reduces your chances of being relegated so the payment is still there. A successful Everton. Listen, Everton play good football. And they're winning games. Bramley more will be full. Of course playing Liverpool, United big games, they sell out, but if Everton are doing well and are winning, people go and watch them. You want to go and watch good football, you want to see good players. So people will go. Now if the players want the move to that super league thing, then you've got to perform at the very best of the ability. Players do it now with Champions League clubs. So, you know, you have to look at it that way. There's opportunities for Everton to make these, to cover these losses by actually being successful for once and doing it. There's money will still be there. TV revenue will still be there. I said before, a Netflix style, you know, Premier League, pass 15 quid a month, which fans of the other 14 teams and everybody else will buy, which will create them a big bundle of money that then maybe they're not going to get because Liverpool and United aren't in it, but they're getting it independently. Whereas they might have got, I don't know, 10 billion a season, because Jordan done the, when he done the scale with them in, it might be 5 billion a season because the other teams ran in it, so you lose 5 billion. But guess what, that's still more than they're getting anyway. So there's, there will be challenges, there's no question about that. There's also an appetite, there is also an appetite for football. You know, everyone watch, people watch Champions League, people watch Spanish football, watch Premier League. There is an appetite for football thing. There are clubs, but you have to, it's an opportunity for everyone else to reinvent themselves and reinvent the game. I get that. But I think at the moment, certainly right now, you know, less than 24 hours after the announcement, because everything is so much in the air. We really don't know what's going to be happening. People will be, I'm sure people at Everton today will be trying to find out as much information as they can. Because you're saying like, because, and I'm like you, yet the ground is obviously a big thing. It's a big thing in Everton's future. Of course it isn't, it's sad to money and guarantees and everything else. I hope they just press on with it, right? But if those clubs aren't expelled, how can these, because I look at it and go, I can't see how they can stay that. Football's dead as well. Football's dead as they stay because one of that with the Champions League, because UEFA have said their Champions League is going ahead. So would Everton play, for argument's sake, Everton is playing the Champions League, and these clubs are playing the Super League. Is that how we're working with these? Yeah, I mean the top four clubs. But then what happens to everything else? They've got to fulfil fixtures, right? I live with people going to be bothered about the Premier League then, if they're struggling in the, do you know what I mean? Yeah, but what happens, this is where the uncertainty, right? So it's on a Wednesday. The Super League are not going to play on the same night, are they? Are they going to play on a Saturday night? They can't play on a Saturday night, because the Premier League, they can't play on a Wednesday night on the same night as the Champions League, because... If the teams are in the Premier League, and are in the Super League, the Super League and the Champions League won't play on the same night because you're taking your eyes away from it. Right? So then how do you get the calendar? Yeah. Because the calendar's going to be all over the place then, right? And we're already kicking off saying, so they might go, we just won't be involved in the league cup. Oh, so you just thrown the league cup to a side either? Well, we know they're going to try and do that. But the point being is, is that you're just cutting and cutting. And then you say, we're in on the FA cup either. So you're cutting and you're cutting. To me, like we said before, if you walk in at the start of the season and you say, oh, I've got 300 million in my ass pocket. Well, there goes the league. There goes the top six. I mean, the top six is done. Now, they might turn around and go, ah, yeah, but you can all go on the Champions League. They haven't finished 10. They're in the Champions League. Oh, Sam, we'll finish 10 every season. Thanks for that. Thanks for that. I know we had like, literally like that much of a breadcrumb left because you know what? Some people in August genuinely feel like that. They get up first out of the season and they think this will be the year. This will be the year. I don't know. But some people do, right? Oh, do you think we might get top four? Did you have a little breadcrumb in October when we won four out of four? Right. So when you say now our bread come out to be we'll get 10 this season, lads. I think if we can get seven for now. Oh, you're still in it, yeah. Seventh to be the new first though. So we're like, so is that what we do now? Do we just all go, see that top six? That's not real. But Angon, that's happened before me. That's happened now. Don't forget, but as a result of the Champions League people have been kidded and thinking fourth is successful. So now it be. Then it becomes tenth. So seven to tenth is the new first. So you've got the window would be go from tenth then to seventeenth. That's a safe zone. It's pointless. That's what I was saying. They can't stay because they've already exposed themselves as to what they want to do. If they said this, if it had come out again last night, this is what we're proposing. I'd have said again, this is just a power play again to try to get this Champions League the way they want it. But the fact they've all released statements on their Twitter they've all released the statements they've resigned. The thing that they're resigning things. The resigning things are a big thing. They've got the money and the guarantees. And also, head of UEFA or one that someone from UEFA. And don't forget, Agnelly's resigned as the chairman of the ECF. And the guy from UEFA's come out and basically said we spoke to Edward on Thursday and everything was sort of for any of the proposals. And he said, Agnelly has lied to us and he said there's snakes close to us and all this. So there's relationships that are. But they've come out and said, Florence Perez is the chairman. They've got Wood Wood. Wood Wood is on the thing. John Henry is a vice chairman. It's not surprising. So what thing he glays at is a vice chairman. So already the positions are in place. So when you've put all these... He's got a boss logo. He's got a logo. But the position... How long did that take? Six minutes. Joe would have gone better if he'd just given me. It'd have been... What thing that you used to have on a kid? It looks like satin. It does actually. Maybe that's the design. So maybe that's where they can play some games? Maybe. Well, if it made the money. So they've got these things in place. So already it's way, way, way down the line. The relationships have already... They've already... I don't know anyone who could look at them. Apparently there's a Premier League meeting tomorrow. 14 other clubs. I bet you're Westambrough for it. Can we be one of the other fives there? Be interesting to see what comes. I hope the other 14 bomb them out. I really do. I don't see anybody camp her. But the problem is though, Baz, you know what football is like. You know the Westambs of the world. And the Leicesters of the world. And me, maybe even Everton of the world, which I'm hoping they don't. But you know there'll be someone sitting on that going... We could be one of the other fives. But they're not going to be one of the other fives because the teams have done, didn't they? They've invited the floating fives. But they've already... The floating fives. One of the theories, right? One of the theories of the floating fives will be the highest place team in those other five leagues. One for me to think. So we know, but Takies will vote for Christmas. But even it... But they will, Baz, you know that. Hang on, who voted for the... Who voted for the top six to have more money? No, I know. One of them because they think they can be one of the top six. Takies will vote for Christmas if you bangle something in front of them. I just don't... Me personally, I don't see how they can remain in our league and be part of this. I don't... Because therefore what you're actually saying then is there's no rules anymore. So for Everton then, Everton could go and spend us my last money now. And there's no comeback. So Everton could... But we still wouldn't be competing. Everton as a club could get closer to these in the Premier League by being able to spend three or four hundred million. You say you can't compete. You don't know, do you? You have no chance they're done. Because they've got... You have other clubs. What you forget is Baz. What you forget is... Is their money is endless. Now and now from now on... It doesn't stop the tap. It doesn't stop now and now. It doesn't stop now and now. It doesn't stop now and now. It doesn't stop now and now. It doesn't stop now and now. It doesn't stop now and now. So they'd be looking at the situation going, why are we spending any money? Never mind a lot of money. Why are we spending any money and not the other money? Is that everybody else turns around and goes, why are we doing? Because you can't catch him. So what's the point? And that's one of the big problems is that everybody... So for me now they've gone. They've got to be gone. And that isn't great. ond fel hyn sydd y statuniaeth efo'r tyfyrdd ac yn flaen. Ond ein bod yn y pethau iawn yma, mae arferwyd yn rhan yn gael... Gael nifer hynny, dwy nifer... Fe wnaeth erioed yn ôl iddyn nhw i ddau chi. Ond felly mae gennym yn ddechrau chystol. Pallasau'r amddangos. Mae gwn i wedi ni. Rwy'n gael hynny. Mae pethau i ddau. Mae gael yn ddau. Mae gael yn rhan. Gweithio, a i'n anodd yn gweithio'r Llywodraeth Priffeirwyr, fyddwn i'n rhaid i gyd yn y Priffeirwyr. Dyna, oes 16 o fewn i'n dweud, a fyddai llwyaf o'r rhai. Ie, mae'n rhaid i'n mynd i dda. Roeddwn i'n mynd i'n fwy o hanes. Ie, mae'n rhaid i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n dweud, fi'n gweithio'r Llywodraeth. I might say man I go we're still finishing 12 or we're still finishing 10 or or or actually now we could finish 10 and get Champions League so don't be fooled into thinking everyone's going to think those people are staying it's terrible because if you think you've got no throw we know our owner could say it and I then go we don't actually think we're going to win the league but actually these staying gives us a better chance for winning getting into the Champions League and that isn't that where you's all want to be we don't think we can win the league we can't we can't beat Man City to Lee there's no way I'm used to say we there's no reason why we our owner wouldn't say that there's no reason why West Ham's owner wouldn't say it there's no reason why Leicester's owner wouldn't say it even though they've won the league there's no reason why Palace or something about the Premier League is saying no I know I know but don't I wouldn't be fooled into thinking that these owners of all these other clubs will think this is a bad thing because if you think you've got no chance of winning league at the beginning and the people who bring the money to the Premier League that pay your way this was the same argument with the young the exact same argument the television like no I absolutely agree if you're doing this if I agree past both those clubs saying that and accept these six doing this then we may as well all stop going and stop watching because what's the point there's no competition and it's done it's done no no I agree I I agree with that I agree with that but we're coming from an angle where we still think everything can maybe win but I'm talking about just Leicester becomes less likely. Leicester's won right West Ham no chance leads no chance. Your Southampton like genuinely your Southampton do you think the league is better without these clubs or with these clubs now with these clubs you could get Champions League because they're not going to Champions League and if you finish 10th you can go to Champions League and you're keeping your money right and they might buy one of your players for double the money that's what I'm saying these clubs can all be fallout raised when you really put those numbers down on the paper and that's I'm a little bit worried about that actually that's what worries me is that these get to stay because they keep the money on board because don't forget as well right past if these go out and spend their super league money they bring those players to the Premier League and that's what worries me so for us it's dead it's dead but haven't we maybe been kidding ourselves that it was dead anyway that's the worry for me honestly that is the worry for me that don't forget it's you've got to have all those other votes the Premier League might end round go we'll leave it up to the clubs if I'm a Crystal Palace if I'm Crystal Palace is on it I'll Southampton's on it but if the Premier League turn around and say they're expelled there's not no no and I agree because that's a competition I agree I'm just saying I'm just a lot of clubs have already give up they've already given up we know this maybe and that's the worry me we can sit here and we can be anti-competitionist and anti-some of them are just doing the numbers if you think about it from a league perspective they turn around and go yeah you can do what you want they're opening the door for them to do whatever don't they do what they want anyway but this is the chance isn't it this is this is literally the chance to to get older it again no it might be right I agree I absolutely agree maybe they will just I agree I just I just think that a lot of people who own football clubs are businessmen cold hard businessmen who think to themselves money is the key of course when they after you have to keep the club running but the same token you can't just have people decide on what to do no and if you do then it gives them the money though but it's finished they give them the tv but that was why to keep them happy if they well if they do with this it's over isn't it it's over it's done it's fully done and dusted and everyone needs to just throw their hand there I just I just wouldn't be starting the product I just 100% wouldn't be that that convinced that everyone's going to have the same outrageous fans because ultimately these clubs are run by business people and if they think it's worse for business that these six teams leave but that's not what the biggest problem is right now and again I'll use I'll use the the brexit and all his years you know uncertainty is a killer they say the market doesn't like uncertainty it doesn't matter whether the final decision is good or it's bad no no it's the uncertainty it's the uncertainty in the in the middle of that business doesn't the market doesn't like it makes the market fluctuate fluctuate all over the place right and that's when we'll know what's actually going on and until we finally get I think they've been very clever that they're keeping the details as as low as possible just I think they're just trying to and this may be the only only hope at the moment is that the the details are so scarce that they're just trying to scare people into giving them even more from the champions league because at the moment you think about it we don't know when it starts we don't know the other teams are we don't know what the makeup of those are the five clubs are and you'd think that we'd know all this by now because because then other people can make decisions and I think they keep so that you walk those teams walking to that Premier League meeting tomorrow they don't they honestly probably don't have a clue what's going on same as what we do they'll just know six clubs think they're staying in the Premier League because that's what they're all they're like yeah we're staying staying and I think that's the problem and until we get those details I think it's gonna it's gonna keep everything all over the place and I think that's what these want I think these want people losing their minds over this and it's gonna be very interesting how it plays out so it is disgusting it is it is it is it's it's gonna it's gonna completely distort the game one way or another one way or another it's gonna completely they're either gonna get the power using this or they're just gonna get the power anyway through some altered champions league but for the rest of us we'll just be feeding off the scratch when you put it out that you're leaving a you know a competition you need to be gone the Premier League have said if they go in it they're exiled expelled so the Premier League needs to expel them but can they expel them till they go in it well they've they've been greater haven't they they've they've all put statements out it's out there all the details now in it and there you go let us know your thoughts on the Super League and that's a terrible lot I'm not sure they spent a lot this is the saving grace you know that that's that logo that's the level of it if they spent real money on a logo I'd be worried I'd be really worried let us know your thoughts and let us know you you know you are you worried about the effect it could have on Evan or he's just like no let them all go let's get on with it and let's start winning some trophies it's it's it is a very worrying situation and I'm sure people of the club feel the same that you go let us know your thoughts in the comments make sure to give this video a like subscribe if you haven't already if you want more great videos join us on page and the link is in the description and it's on the screen right now see you later