 Surrender is the key. Surrender, it is not detachment. So whenever you detach from anything, if you say, I'm not this and I'm not that and I'm not the other, for example, I'm not that pain, you are actually empowering that very thing even by the fact of conceptually detaching from it. So the way that actually takes this or this system into greater states of joy is in those very moments when the pain is at its maximum, which can be any time during a day, that you actually start to move into a surrender state towards the soul. It is not you identifying with the soul, it is not an I am posture, but I am this surrendering to this, to the soul, to that actually.