 Which I loved it Pacific Rim. Oh, I I couldn't stand it. I fell asleep. Yeah, I loved it and you're right and I'm right You know, it's not like there's an objective There's no science for determining whether a movie is good or not because we all There's an objective standard on the on a monetary amount, but yeah, no I totally know what you that's an objective standard of how successful it was at getting people to pay to see it That doesn't mean it was good. Yeah, what was the? The rise of the planet of the apes, San Francisco Oh, yeah, I have that one right. I walked out of that movie. Oh, no kidding See, I because it was there was just too much animal stuff. I couldn't deal with it, but I didn't think it was bad I was just like, this is not my movie. I don't want to watch Movies you really want to see and you have high expectations, but you're just kind of like man really yeah That's always the thing of like you almost want to manage your own expectations because if your expectations are higher It's harder to enjoy it because it's harder for the movie to meet it. Yeah Yeah, but generally speaking I I used to be very anti-spoiler I used to be like no, let's all respect each other, but the line got pushed so far to where it like You can't say anything anywhere that I'm like, okay, that's not we that's not livable. That's we got to have better Well, and the whole appointment viewing thing is like you just never know when anyone's watching anything now So I mean you like if you weren't gonna spoil anything you could just never talk about a movie or a show book spoilers Book spoilers are the are the precedent, right? We know they say like have you read this before you start talking about it on Twitter, I Mean people talk about movies facts I was you know alluding to things a Game of Thrones and Maybe I wouldn't have done that in a book. I don't know I have hot. I I really want to see Godzilla But I but I'm pretty sure it's gonna be just a mediocre movie Yeah, that's probably right, but Eileen and I are both excited about that. We saw Rocket Man this weekend It was great Play nothing but Elton John songs the The after you're done seeing there or you like I'm done We played the funny that you asked that we put on the Elton John playlist on the drive in to kind of get us in the mood Like all right cool, and then on the drive out the Bluetooth wouldn't connect so we didn't listen to anything on the way I actually I was driving down Melrose and passed Paramount The the studio the lot and was like, oh, yeah, Rocket Man Tom said he liked it. I should watch that Yeah, Karen Eggerton sings all the songs himself except for the ones he doesn't sing but when when it's Elton John character singing he sings. Yeah, and he does a great job. It's a it's a Broadway musical Don't go in expecting a biopic. This is not like a factual telling of Elton John's life This is going to give you the the sort of what what did it feel like to be Elton John as told through song Is it weird that Elton John is still with us? No, no weird Okay, it stops in the 80s. It's basically his journey. Okay, so I'm still standing Well this time All right, you guys ready to stand up some tech news ready as I'll ever be Here we go and three two Lynn's citrone has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Lynn become a DTNS member at patreon.com DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Monday May 20th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and from studies underneath studies guys and the shows producer Roger Chang and we have got some Huawei news for you All that stuff we talked about last Thursday the presidential orders is having some fallout this weekend. It's intricate It's complex Nobody really knows what the effect is going to be we're going to explain that all to you a little later in the show Let's start with a few tech things you should know Kaspersky labs announced its plans to open a new office in Kigali Rwanda to support its East African business The lab will serve businesses in Rwanda and the wider region Microsoft's Edge browser for Mac OS has been available for a while if you knew where to find the link But Microsoft now officially supporting the daily canary builds of Edge for Mac for Mac OS 10.12 and above and Microsoft said weekly dev Channel builds will be supported very soon a database of contact information for millions of Instagram Influencers and brand accounts was found unprotected on Amazon web services by researcher Anna Riggs Who are alerted tech crunch the data combined public data with phone number and email addresses and estimated worth So quite a bit of data tech crunch believes that the database originated with Mumbai based social media marketing firm Chatterbox Chatter without any bells after tech crunch contacted Chatterbox. It pulled the database offline Real me a sister company to vivo oppo and one plus it's owned by the same parent company is launching the real me 3 pro Phone in Europe runs Android 9.0 on a snapdragon 7 10 chipset that improves the AI performance And it's marketing the phone at gamers by touting some software that improves frame rate and touch responsiveness real me promises 21.6% improved aiming speed in pubg mobile real me 3 pro model starts at 175 pounds in the UK and 199 euros in the Eurozone available June 5th All right before we get to Huawei. Let's talk a little about Google Glass. You've heard me get on my soapbox before It's not dead and in fact, there's a new version of it Google Glass Enterprise Edition 2 out Monday for $999 I mean it doesn't do the same things as the HoloLens But compared to the HoloLens $3,500 does feel like a bargain the glasses look more like glasses now too The frame comes from Smith optics still uses that tiny little projector to beam images to your eye So it's not full augmented reality Google Glass 2 model runs on the snapdragon XR 1 for longer battery life And supports mobile device management. So if you're using it in the enterprise This will make it easier to roll it out to employees because it can come pre-configured the way you would pre-configure phones and laptops Well, I think you know Google Glass Enterprise Edition 2 makes it very clear what it's for Yeah for the rest, you know a thousand dollars for the Google Glass like it was a failure wasn't it? It's like nah, that's not you know that Google has moved away from that entire Yeah, this is For the people who've already been using Google Glass logistics manufacturing field service industries firms like HP Fuller Sutter Health Deutsche Post DHL group and Agco have all been clients of this So this is this is definitely Something that has been doing well for Google But like enterprise stuff it often doesn't get the attention because you don't see commercials for it on the Warriors game You know I and and that's sort of my next question is like Okay, well they look a little bit more like glasses. Well, that's fine I mean if they're more comfortable, I understand that but if it's for enterprise and it and it works well in the enterprise sector It's it doesn't matter quite as much. You know the style portion of it It is a secondary consideration and I'm curious if there's folks in the audience and I know there are who use this Is that something where you're like? Yeah, no, we were all like gosh I wish they looked a little nicer when I'm walking around, you know with clients and stuff, right? Was that a iteration or were you like now? We didn't really need this, but I guess it's okay. Let us know feedback a daily technician US FCC chair edget pie says he will recommend approving the $26.5 billion sprint T-Mobile merger the statement came after the two companies agreed to spin off sprints boost mobile prepaid service As well as a three-year-old buildout plan for 5g service with a commitment to not raise prices during its construction Pi said he will prepare an order on the merger in the coming weeks Which will need approval by three of the five FCC commissioners the US Department of Justice's Antitrust Division and several state attorneys general are still examining the deal, but the merger isn't for sure going forward Bloomberg says a person familiar with the review says that the US Department of Justice is leaning against approval because the remedies Don't go far enough Yeah, so I mean the agit pie will probably get his fellow Republicans on the FCC commission to vote for his plan But that's not the last word on it If the DOJ says they don't like it then it isn't going to happen and the DOJ previously Disapproved of a T-Mobile and Sprint merger that was under the Obama administration But it may still be unsatisfied and say, you know We still just don't like the removal of competition which unlike the FCC the competitive Landscape and whether it would raise prices for consumers of the two main things the DOJ is looking at Sprint and T-Mobile are saying they won't raise prices But maybe it's not convincing enough for the DOJ or maybe just the fact that it would go from four major Carriers in the country to three is enough for the DOJ to say yep. No, we just we still don't think this should happen Yeah, you know, I asked you guys before the show You know Are people outraged about this because you you tend to get outraged when whenever there's a merger of two very large Companies and yeah, you kind of go like well Sprint T-Mobile. I mean, they're not the biggest players in the market But the two of them together Create a very large player. So I mean if they if they if they say that they're not gonna raise prices I mean, they can't just raise prices, right? I mean, they would get in trouble for it So, you know, it's where where does the outrage really stem from the deal with the FCC says they won't raise prices for three years Maybe that's not long enough for the DOJ. Yeah, or maybe it's the fact that the DOJ says look We we disapproved of an AT&T T-Mobile merger and look what happened T-Mobile went from being fourth to a very strong third That is ready to merge with Sprint And become a bigger and better T-Mobile We think maybe the DOJ thinks if we leave Sprint in fourth place The same thing will happen if they're not looking at a merger is saving them They'll become a better Sprint and more competition is better Google issued some data compiled with the help of New York University and the University of California at San Diego showing that any second factor Including on-device prompts and even text messages can prevent the most common kind of mass scale attacks Text message second factors are they're known to be something you can intercept but in these tests text message second factors prevented a hundred percent of automated bot attacks and 96% of automated phishing attacks an authenticator app was more secure and only a physical key like a Ubico Prevented both automated bot and phishing the tax as well as highly targeted attacks Those are ones where you're like you're an important government official or know some some trade secrets at a company and somebody might be gunning for you A security key is essential there, but if you're not that the majority of us Probably get by just fine with an on-device prompt or an authenticator code And if we don't do that if we just do SMS, it's still way better than not doing it I know sometimes the security mind and go wow SMS. That's pretty it's an interceptable It's not perfect, but it's still better than not doing it So if that's all your service provides you or if you're trying to encourage someone to sign up for second factor And they're like I don't want to do an authenticator. I just want to do SMS then say yeah, sure okay fine That is going to prevent a lot more attacks than it would if it weren't there Yeah, you know, I think There are two reasons that somebody you know would not turn this on first They don't totally understand how it works second it seems To be inconvenient the text message version of to factor off I use it often and yes I know it's not that the the most secure way that I can go about things But it does give me peace of mind and it is pretty simple, you know I mean it works just as advertised. So if there was ever That you need to go ahead and turn on that to factor off now's the time Google says so I Mean again, it's it's basically this is saying if you turn on second factor At this point anyway, the situation may not last forever at this point anyway, though you are Almost infinitely improving your security over these kinds of attacks like right. Yeah, it's incredible just how much of an improvement Having you know, I mean having no other Challenge system is pretty bad Just using your last sign-in location, which some companies do that prevent prevents automated bots a hundred percent of the time It does almost nothing against bulk fishing attacks Using your phone number as a like a call again pretty good against automated bots That's a great against bulk fishing attacks secondary email address 73% of automated bots because sometimes they can get a near email 68% of bulk fishing attacks, but man it goes up to a hundred percent for security key 96% of bulk fishing attacks for SMS and 99% for on-device prompts. So There's there is no rational reason not to turn on a second factor if it's available Well, you're gonna like this next story I'm sure of it Stanford University students from the schools extreme mobility lab are celebrating a four-legged robot named dog Oh a quadrupedal robot That's unique in its low cost and also its accessibility Doggo's total cost is less than three thousand dollars and its design is completely open source So you or I or anybody can print off the plans and assemble a dog. Oh if we so desire Now granted, this is still hobbyist stuff, right? This is this is great for folks in the lab Who like yeah, we can't really get the budget to do what Boston Dynamics does, but we can get together three thousand bucks Yeah, that's that's in the school budget That could even be in some high school budgets. So this is going to expand accessibility to these kinds of designs quite a bit and It's the kind of thing that more amateur hobbyist might get into and start messing around with Which is the kind of thing you want to see right before a product category takes off We saw it with quadcopters. We've seen it with desktop PCs, you know back going from the Heath kit days into the you know Apple to days, so I think this is worth keeping an eye on dog Oh may or may not be the thing that causes the robot revolution but it certainly is the kind of thing because you just need to buy the parts and the design is open source and It's Incredibly functional. It does a lot of the things that you used to only see a company like Boston Dynamics be able to do Yeah, it's interesting to me that we're still we're still in that period where it's like is the robot like a human Maybe not is the robot like a dog if people love dogs. Let's call it dog. Oh, that makes sense This is a four legged robot that is inexpensive and and and and has a lot of potential I mean, that's that's what it is whether or not you want it to resemble a dog is sort of beside the point But it's still something that we're like. Oh, how do I relate that to a thing that actually exists and then you know Be impressed with the technology. Yeah, the verge points out that this thing is comparable to Robots that are that cost tens of thousands of dollars for instance It has more torque than ghost robotics similarly sized Minotaur Which costs around eleven thousand five hundred dollars greater vertical jumping ability than MIT's cheetah three robot It just does more because it's got a better design for the leg mechanism and the use of more efficient motors They did some great software things where it doesn't have springs But the software is able to treat the trying the I guess their their quadrangles Of the legs like springs to be able to absorb shocks and and move around so yeah It's called doggo because that's cute and makes people go Oh a little robot dog, but it does way more than just be a dog and and It limits of it or your imagination in fact what it does is not really dog-like at all. It's like wow This is a really cool robot. Yeah, I could do flips. I mean some dogs could do flips I suppose yeah, well not my dog. You can download the flip program for this which you cannot do for any of our dogs At least I'm not I'm pretty sure that you can't for Ray Sorry, maybe I don't know Back on April 16th We mentioned a hackaday article about how the 5g rollout could impact weather forecasting if you remember back last month The short version was that 23.8 gigahertz spectrum is very useful for measuring water vapor but Could get drowned out by nearby 5g signals now It's not like 5g is broadcasting right in that spectrum, but there's could be some bleed 5g licensees are required to limit that bleed limit out of banned emissions But the frequencies are so close back when we reported on it last month. It was uncertain how much error there might be well Now the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration head Neil Jacobs Testified to the House subcommittee on the environment that he estimates the use of 24 gigahertz frequency for 5g Could reduce weather forecast accuracy by up to 30% roughly as accurate as forecasting was back in the 1980s So this is consistent with that hackaday article No, I estimate 77% data loss from its satellites passive microwave sounders Reducing the ability to predict hurricanes by as much as two days again We mentioned that same thing when we talked about the hackaday article So this is different because it's the chief of NOAA telling the US Congress like yeah We think this is a problem and we need to do something about it Senators Ron Wyden and Maria Cantwell have written a letter to the FCC chair Ajit Pai requesting the company stop using the 24 gigahertz frequency until they can be sure that it won't interfere with weather forecast Yeah, you know my my initial reaction was like, eh Well, you know who even knows when it's gonna rain anyway But when you talk about something like a hurricane, you know something that's going to affect people and potentially hurt people This is this is pretty serious. Yeah, and we talked about back in April like people like to say like our weather predictions They're never right, but they are right more often than they used to be in fact within 24 hours They're pretty dead on And you may not have noticed that as it slowly got better over the years But if suddenly it flipped back to the 1980s about whether to predict rain or not you you would notice and I think you would be upset So what's the solution here? Like what is there another you know piece of the spectrum? We can just kind of convert all this 5g stuff, too Yeah, I mean there are plenty of other spectrums. I guess one More drastic solution would be to say you just can't use a 24 gigahertz spectrum I know you thought so we'll refund your money for the broadcast That would be the safest way to preserve it But there might be ways to move the spectrum a little farther over do some technology to prevent bleed Hopefully the carriers will get on board and say yes, let's take this seriously Let's come up with a solution that allows us to still use this frequency without threatening the bleed over into 23.8 without having that out of band Stuff the thing is that's costly and the carriers aren't gonna want to do that I guess well, and you know if you know as as 5g becomes a reality for folks and if speeds are great You know, we if you have to you know to kind of Weigh your options, you know, how many folks would be like yeah, okay We'll just go back to weather from the 1980s because you know, I like this 5g service otherwise Yeah, I mean the fact is you can still provision 5g service without using that spectrum It's just gonna be costlier because there's less spectrum to put your other services, right? Hey, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to Daily tech headlines calm All right, we told you we'd get into it Let's recap for those who missed last Thursday Last week the US Department of Commerce added Huawei to an entity list that prevents it from acquiring US technology without approval This is the same thing that happened to ZTE last year Someone confusing this issue is that the president also issued a directive To have the Department of Commerce name companies that threaten security and prevent our Domestic manufacturers in the United States from buying things from those companies These are two different things that order hasn't gone into effect yet because they haven't named anybody and that would prevent say T-Mobile from buying routers from Huawei potentially But what happened over the weekend was the entity list and this is the more disastrous one for Huawei because this says no US company can sell their technology to Huawei without approval and Well that approval has started has not been forthcoming and the Consequences have started to roll out now the US Commerce Department has said it might grant Huawei a temporary license to prevent interruption of service for existing networks as Regarding to the gear Because there are some rural ISPs particularly and a few other smaller ISPs that need Huawei tech for maintenance like if they're if they have a breakdown with what existing Huawei gear and they can't buy new gear They can't fix it that That temporary license would only allow for maintenance. It would not allow Huawei to build new products to sell to the US Huawei CEO Ran Zhengfei said Saturday to Nikkei It is expected that Huawei's growth may slow but only slightly also We will not change our management at the request of the US or accept monitoring as ZTE has done So on Saturday Huawei was saying yeah, we might lose a little growth. Whatever. No skin off our nose We'll be fine. We're not going to agree to what ZTE had to to get through this So they drew their line in the sand Huawei also said it was prepared because they can use their own high silicon chip They can supply chips for a lot of their own products from their own chip maker Now Bloomberg says Huawei also stockpiled three months worth of chips from US companies because it's a quite a different matter to change your entire supply chain and Manufacturing process for chips that you make and hope those chips work as well as the ones you're replacing Then it is to say you know what we got three months worth of Intel Qualcomm chips sitting on the shelf We'll be able to last this for three months. So I think that's worth paying more attention to although they can conceivably make their own chips The big news came on Sunday when Google said we've got a comply with the US order And so we're cutting off Huawei from Android products Here's what Huawei is confusing. So I'll try to walk you through it while we will lose early access to Android security updates But they won't lose all access They'll just have to wait until those security updates are published to the open source page for Android right now Huawei is among the many companies who as a licensor of Android outside of China get early access to security updates So they can be ready on day one to prove to produce them This would delay security updates for Huawei users now Huawei says it will continue to provide security updates and after sales service That's probably what they mean as well is that the wait till they come to the open source page Huawei also will lose access to the Google Play Store to Google Play services and to the Google apps like YouTube and search And and maps not a big deal in China where they're not allowed anyway But any Huawei phone they sell in India or Europe or anywhere else in the US or in the world Needs that has those apps right now If you own a Huawei phone right now, it's already certified to run all that stuff So you're not going to lose access Google isn't kicking the existing phones off Once you're certified you're certified so you can run the store in your apps will continue to function You'll be fine. You might not get those security updates though It does not have access to these Google products in China So Huawei has experience creating a phone without them However, the total cutoff will affect security update timeless and timeliness in China to again It's not that they won't get security updates. They'll come later than everybody else Huawei also loses the ability to market under the Android name Which doesn't hurt it in China, but we'll hurt it elsewhere and Huawei says it has an in-house operating system under development for mobile as well as desktop so Potentially they could just change operating systems, but that could be a harder sell for people who are familiar with Android Also, major apps need would need to be made for a new operating system In fact, some major apps rely on Google Play services to run So even if you can side load them without using the Google Play Store They might not run if they don't have Google Play services and to top it all off The chip makers also said yes We are going to have to comply with this and not sell Intel chips Which Huawei needs for its laptops and its servers Qualcomm chips which it uses for modems and a few other mobile processors Broadcom micron Western digital and Xilinx have all stopped supplying chips to Huawei now Infineon was reported to have stopped But said no the great majority of our products are delivered to Huawei Not subject to US export control loss at restrictions there for those shipments will continue So it sounds like maybe a few infineon products are affected But not all of them and Lumentum holdings Which is the major supplier of Apple's face ID technology said it has discontinued shipments to Huawei and Huawei represents about 18% of its total revenue so Sarah Roger now we got all this like nailed down Huawei says hey, we got three months of supplies at least that's what the sources are saying We also can build our own chips. We can make our own operating system. We're fine. We won't be affected Hmm. Well, the whole sort of growth may slow, but only slightly Might not ring true Over the last couple of days on Huawei's part but yeah, I want to know more about the operating system which Reportedly has been in the works for several years, although no one's seen it and you know for for the company to be like, okay We don't even need Android. That is a real tall order. I mean it that's that you it's either Android or iOS many folks It really just sounds like they're putting on a brave face in in front of at this time a very intractable situation They're looking at other options You know it kind of sucks because they're kind of between a rock and a hard place and What they decide to do You know, they could be one of they could take of the position Well, we wait this for two years maybe there might be a different administration in the US and you know Oh, we can maybe write out this storm so to speak, but you know in the you know on the other hand It's gonna be painful. It's not it's not it's not a pain-free situation Yeah, and there's a lot of confusion about it in fact in our chat room a few people are saying well Wait a minute if a Huawei phones already certified to run Android can't the carrier market it, you know They can't vote a phone or telephonic a market it is Android. Yes and no Any phone that's already been built and sitting on a shelf. I guess could But any new phone that Huawei ships can't and we're not talking about models here We're talking about individual phones. This is an expert control. So it's about the actual device You can't slap Android on the box and say it's Android if you don't have approval from Google to do that So, yeah, I think while always trying to say We can we can play a hardball game more than ZTE But Roger I'm with you I feel like what they're hoping is that the government's involved get this figured out within three months that they they built up A plan to last three months so that they didn't have to do what ZTE did and they hope that What whatever politics are causing this Will will blow over before those three months are out because man once those three months are out It is a hard sell to have a new operating system Even in places in the world like India and Africa People recognize Android and they want that reassurance Not as big of a deal in in China perhaps but Could be a blow if people like yeah, but I like I know it can't be called Android But I like it's Android now you got this new operating system and is it as good is it as bug-proof? Is it as tested? It's uh well, and if you're Google as well, it's like this is not fun for Google You know for anybody who's like well, why isn't Google just for views who you know Google and and shipmakers all have to do this Yeah, why with us law and lose revenue because of it. Well a story that will be unfolding over the next three months If not more thanks everybody who participates in our subreddits You should be with us for the next three months and many more submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com We're also on Facebook Facebook comm slash groups slash daily tech news show And we haven't checked him with Nate links in a while. So let's do that now He's revealing what's coming up on the next text message including a special guest and Netflix popularity church Thanks guys, and hey dts listeners You can get double Tom this week if you listen to episode 169 of text message because he's on the show talking with me about how US and UK facial recognition efforts are pretty different in some ways Plus without Tom sad face Why exactly did Netflix choose the UK is the first country in the world to have a popularity chart feature? We have a few theories only some are conspiratorial all that is available by going to tech podcast dot UK and checking out episode 169 of text message cheerio Ah, lovely. That was so much fun to chat with Nate My only regret is that Ian wasn't on the call too because Ian is Nate's co-host in his fantastic as well Let's check out the mailbag shall we we had a great conversation last Friday about the idea of adobe Doing some interactive tutorials and where people get their tutorials now and how that can be a little convoluted Mikey D wrote in and said I prefer to educate myself on adobe software with classroom in a book series by peach pit publishing Occasionally they have a huge sale and I stock up on all the software that I own and want to become proficient in a lot of The books have lesson files to work along with the author and instructor And if the course is web based it'll have videos that show each step of the way to follow along with Instead of having a bunch of books on a bookshelf I prefer to download them digitally in epub, mobi or pdf format another great source linda.com now owned by LinkedIn which also has lesson files to follow along on a tiered subscription Where now a lot of libraries offer linda.com for free with a library card basic plan I became proficient in microsoft products Such as excel and access with their courses and I've amazed my co-workers Amazing your co-worker is always a good thing. Thank you. Mikey D. Uh, good good tips there uh on that sort of thing I am glad our conversation on friday sparked that absolutely Uh our conversations about redfin have sparked another idea sarah Jeff says there's been a lot of discussion about redfin direct for buying a house online over the past couple weeks Clearly the next live with it segment needs to be sarah buying a house using redfin direct and then living with or in It next patreon tier. Let's buy a house. I'll tell you how it goes. It'll be great Yes, we will buy it out. I don't want I don't want to move out after three months on the county illinois We might figure it will always up to after three months, but i'm gonna still be in that house, right? Yeah I don't know where we could afford a house on our page I don't know either But I like where your mind's going jeff. Yeah, exactly big. Uh, no promises, but uh, we'll see what we can do Yeah, uh, thanks to everybody who supports us on patreon. 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You carried that whole thing Well, there's a lot lot to get through to kind of set the table. It was really good. It's great. It was actually very yeah Yeah, it was super informative. I think if somebody was hearing it for the first time It was um, great job. You did a great explainer. I mean just kind of like getting everyone to the stop I'm not going to give you a raise Oh that case tom. You look nice today. Um, you should get a haircut. I know you want me to buy you a house a house A house of my very own No, thank you guys. I'm glad I'm glad that that's good. It was it was super good. Uh, there's the 5g no way no away Mm-hmm get it. Who's I do My glasses look like glasses Snazberry tastes like snazberries google glass. I'm not done yet Huawei says there is no us get it like you us Well, why would like there to be an us? Yeah, it's not Huawei didn't walk away from this whole thing Huawei says they don't need us Well, that's that is kind of what they're saying a little bluff action going on. It is it's It's pretty transparent, but no Right, like I mean we might be impacted slightly whether it's true or not kind of what they have to say Well, yeah, that's yeah, you'll have to put on a very face because it might be also true But yeah, it's what I would expect them to say no matter what. All right, let's do that Huawei says they don't need us us Um, and then we had some gdis spoiler. It's a good day Uh, I like I like the righteous indignation or sanctimonious Okay, we could do that. Oh, that's good I love the word indignation Yeah, it's just a great word. It sounds very literary. It does. Yeah, and I just I like how dramatic it is I you know I'm indignant I had the nicest Uh encounter with an evangelist today on my dog walk What does that mean? So, you know, there's there's people, uh from from multiple Denominations that will go around and evangelize to you. Have you like a religious religious heard the good word kind of thing Yeah, okay They come to your door, maybe they leave a pamphlet, you know that kind of stuff Yeah, I was out with I was out walking my dog and these two ladies I could kind of tell what they were up to. There's there's a vibe and Yeah, sometimes, you know They they came up and they they were like, oh, what a beautiful dog. I'm like, well, okay That's the moment. I was like, oh, thanks. Yeah, and we just we talked about dogs for five minutes. Yeah Um, one of them came up was like, oh, I have a dog too. Oh, that's so sweet That was it was dog dog dog. We just talk about dogs how loyal how great dogs are and dogs great And then at the very end they're like, well, you probably know we're this denomination and you know, uh, If you're interested in some answers to maybe some questions you have here. Our website is da da da da Oh, they didn't actually have like a physical pamphlet or anything. That was it. They're like, have a great day. Enjoy your walk I was like, now that's the way to do it. I'm not saying they won me over to their their particular denomination But I came away feeling positive about it versus kind of annoyed like, uh, I had to go through that, you know, right? It depends on which community you're in although I think that they're offering you the chance to forget the url You know, you kind of want to make somebody like I'm very carefully not saying which denomination Of course, yes, and yeah, but also totally forgot Your They need like a qr code or something like you got a phone on you, right? Take your phone out. You know, let's let's make this easy. There are some, um, There are some Well, I mean, I don't want to say ladies, but it always seems to be women that they've kind of got a little It's like they have a little stall set up, um around one of my my dog walks And it's very old school, you know, where it's like it's almost like, you know, like almost looks like a like Lemonade stand, but it's it's about spreading the gospel of their particular, um Their word their word. Yes. Um, and it's it's kind of outside of where their church is which is not far away So it all kind of makes sense. But yeah, it's the sort of thing where And they're really nice and I see them all the time because they're you know, they're just sometimes they're they're posted up When I'm walking in the morning, but it's sort of like if I stop and make pleasantries Like that's what we're going to talk about. It's not like, oh, we just encountered you cool dog You know, it's it's very the they have They have one job Well, I you know all five five stars for being for this kind of evangelism because it was so low pressure Yeah, I I came away with a positive feeling and I you know, I got to talk to nice people about my dog You know, like I was like I had no problem with that Yeah, well, yeah, I mean it If somebody wants to talk about how you might benefit from their religion I mean, it doesn't mean that one note people they can talk about other things Well, sometimes those conversations can and and I'm thinking back like in the 90s somebody came to my door It was like, you know, they they start to get accusatory and pushy like you need to take action right the second I'm like that feels like the cult When you're pressuring me to do something right the second, um, that doesn't This reminds me I hadn't thought about this in a while, but I was at this is many years ago I was in fact, I was pretty young like young enough to not totally know what was going on for a while, but somebody had Uh, I was at a gas station and a guy, you know, he kind of had this whole spiel where he had a some story and you know got me talking and it was about a I don't even want to say which one it is Doesn't really matter, but um, it was sort of something that I I would consider a culty And you know when I finally sort of realized what was going on. I was like, oh, I'm sorry. I know I'm not interested But you know, you seem nice. Thanks. Bye Well at the same gas station Months later The same guy did the same thing to me and this time I was like, oh my god Hang out at this gas station like we've already talked. You don't remember me and of course he hadn't Because you know, you know, there were so many other people that you know, he had done this too But I was actually really annoyed the second time because I felt like no longer special The first time I was like, oh, yeah, well, you know, it's just not not totally for me The second time I was like, you're a fraud I've heard this You just were winded and did the same thing again I used to get I used to get propositioned all the time and I think it's because I was walked to school by myself Proposition sounds different than what we're talking about, but I think you mean I'm saying yeah Yeah, you know pamphlets. Yes discussion of life's answers Usually on the bus or near mass transit don't uh Gosh, I mean, well, it's probably because I live in an apartment So it's like kind of hard to get to my front door But you know the the you know how people will have like no solicitors You know, like by their front door where I'm always like, do you really need that? But I guess if you have that outside your front door Someone to be like it's probably not worth ringing the doorbell. They've made it very clear that they don't want to I'll be honest. I mean, I work from home. I do recordings like I should definitely have a no solicitor I I have a good reason to be like, please don't ring my doorbell. Yeah, right. Yeah, like my dogs don't go crazy It's like super disruptive But that said I I don't because it happens so rarely but again, I guess it depends on where you live I get I get so many solicitors for home improvement. Like oh, do you need uh, you could use some solar panels Or have you like bringing your doorbell type thing? Oh, I have a doorbell But people haven't learned to hold it down for more than half a second. So they knock on the door But I mean they're coming to your front door. Yes I'm flitzy that kind of stuff but people don't extra ring the door Oh, and I also got the one with the fruit or the the produce Delivery to your front door of that service. I used to actually do that when I lived in San Francisco Well, actually in San Rafael. I used to have that and on my uh, when my father-in-law still lived here He he ordered that but he ended up only using like a third of it and the rest of it was like I would try to find a way to use that was always my thing is I was about half fruit I eat all the fruit Yes, then I'd have to try to figure out recipes to go with the vegetables and I Kale kale turnip kale turnip Roman nesco I got some Roman nesco. They look great one time. I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I guess you can prepare it just like broccoli, but Yeah, I know people are like, oh, it's not hard. You just just steam it and put some salt in there You know, they shipped it with a side of like cubed beef or something they can make us do It's a and and having fruit and vegetable like it's like that's it's such a great idea and concept But like for example last night I've got a bunch of stuff that's gonna go bad if I don't need it in the next 24 hours But I just wanted to eat mac and cheese for dinner. Yeah, you know, like I was just like it's just not happening Yeah, you just you know, so it's like when you've got stuff that's going bad You start to like there's a skilled aspect of it No, I took you all the time. I always nagged my wife. It's like we need to eat this Right. Yeah, it's like I want a pizza Well, that's called my lunch anything that Eileen doesn't want to eat that's gonna go bad becomes my lunch I have to say that uh, that insta pot So in heavy use Yeah Insta pot gets high marks from everybody. I know that has one. It's probably just getting it's like it's the It's the mentality of a crock pot, but with the speed of a microwave Yeah, because the crock pot is uh, it's it intimidates me. I'm like, ah, it's kind of have to go all day I can't do that because it steams at you. It looks angry Right. I mean that's part of the reason I don't cook rice as much as I cook pasta because I'm like it's gonna take like half an hour You don't have a rice cooker No, oh, yeah, you got to get a rice cooker. I think that I think it's only a lot of things Asian homes Although rice cookers still take a long time for things like brown rice Yeah, and then like we were talking about or though the other day or is it takes five minutes So it's like if I have like a hand cream for something like in five minutes. It's done We're with rice. I have to be like, all right. I'm gonna be in the kitchen for a while So and then I run into the issue that my wife really isn't a big rice eater So it's like man, if I make a pot of rice, I have to eat it all What about what about um ellie? No, she doesn't like anything besides chicken nuggets She'll eventually like rice. I would guess she used to eat it. She used to eat vegetables She used to eat fruit and then she hit two two and a half and I was like She was like, I want to you know, yeah exert some of my power Yeah My my sister-in-law's daughter was like that she did I was so impressed Like she would just eat anything and then she hit two doesn't sound like she got quite as strict as as uh Your daughter, but she got she got stricter I'm one of my younger cousins Um went through a period where yeah, she was very picky eater In fact, if I remember correctly all she would eat is bananas and french fries Oh, wow And yeah, like and it was like like at Thanksgiving dinner like the rest of us are eating normal dinner, you know And it's like, you know unnamed cousin has to eat, you know And I remember like kind of giving my aunt a hard time about it and she was like Step off Sarah, you know, and it you know, it was a phase it passed But yeah, because I was like that's crazy like I would be in so much trouble if I did that Everyone's gonna buy me french fries I don't know when I was young. I ate pretty much everything. So I never experienced this, but I remember my sister uh Being told like if you don't eat it, then you don't eat anything like that's That's what my mom said You have to eat everything. Yeah, it's like why my father doesn't eat everything That were there were the kids who like you can't leave the table until you're done But also like there wasn't a like, oh, we'll make you a special meal like this is what we made to eat You'll eat it and if you take anything and put it on your plate, you finish it right There were I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm you know, I probably remember my childhood a little rosier than my parents might But I don't remember being particularly picky. I'm almost a really good cook there were a couple dishes that I wasn't crazy about when they'd come around but Always liked vegetables, you know, sometimes I'll encounter an adult who will be like broccoli. Oh never and I'm like So good I mean Stable yeah, I was the only thing I didn't really like to eat. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I went through a period where I thought I hated lasagna And that's insanity because lasagna is wonderful. I loved broccoli. I never saw white people No, I just thought I didn't like it for some reason Oh Oh, I loved it. I used to I I I kid you not when I was In third up until maybe fourth grade. I used to imagine I was a dinosaur and those were the treetops That's great. You're like I love the story Yeah, well broccoli also it's like you can you know, put cheese on it. Hmm or like do like a vinegar thing Or I would make it with butter. It was all soft and salty and buttery like it was delicious. Yeah Yeah You're just eating it wrong Well, but but like okay, so broccoli is just one example But again, there are adults that are perfectly smart wonderful people and they're just weird about vegetables And I'm like, I just feel like you're missing out on so many dishes You know, like how much starch and meat can you eat? The veggies are the fun part colorful The elder bush was well known for his dislike of broccoli Really? Yeah, they used to make fun of them only not they but like It would crop up in like a j lino monologue. It was just known that he wasn't gonna eat broccoli. You just didn't like broccoli Yeah Yeah, I don't know why broccoli specifically you never people hear people really talking about how much they hate cauliflower I'm sure I'm sure some people do love cauliflower I like all the vegetables are a gassy, which is why I try to I don't eat too much of it I I all vegetables never met a vegetable. I didn't like I used to hate bok choy which is odd since you know, I'm Chinese and it's literally one of the main dishes I don't have to eat As a kid like the thing that might be the thing you're more likely to hate Well, I didn't like it because it was very messy to eat and it's it's so fibrous that can be annoying to like cut through Well, let's see. This is a thing like we ate with chopsticks. You're not cutting Yeah, that's true. That's true. Well, but it's still kind of it kind of you know Sometimes it'll kind of get stuck in your teeth bok choy to this day. Sometimes I'm like, uh, this is a little problematic But I like the taste of it But it it does have that stringiness sometimes What is bok choy good for like? Because it's such a staple but but but no, no, no, I mean, uh, like, um, oh like health for nutrition. Yeah Oh, like yeah, what kind of vitamins? Yeah, like what's what's it? 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