 stuff for a bit, you know, I don't want it while it starts people people like to think that we all get along you know oh we have to pretend to like each other now we're like the seven it's saturday time to put up with 10 hours of this fucking charade yeah lucky i'm not live yet nope no totally not i don't get paid enough for this shit obviously our production company e4p would be really upset if i heard about this all right um yeah you get paid for this all right all right all right david steve nathan um judith it's time to use our fake names now you need to get back if i have it which one am i you should remember that that's not something you should really need to ask me we're losing it i want to be judith you can be judith isn't judith an old lady name wrong name judith no no way you guys think of old lady when you think of judith i don't think of a young person yeah that depends how young we're talking like late 40s because when i think of judith i think of like someone in their late 20s short short short reddish bra brown hair brown hair bra she wears a she wears sort of like a i don't know not a polo but sort of like like a plaid shirt that's just just a little bit loose to where it looks really comfy you know she wears very short ankle socks and shoes that don't have laces they're like the the slipper shoes you just slip on and go she's she's lean uh modest breast size um not not very voluptuous but she's she's not skinny she's somewhat leanish healthy trim and fit you know uh contact you don't wear glasses size what i reject the motion that that notion that that could be a modest breast size there's modest it's a nice way of saying they're all no no no because that that implies that it's like it's immodest to have large breasts which isn't necessarily you as a person have made no that's that's what it yeah that's but that's what it implies by saying that there's a modest breast size no it's relatively moderate literally literally means relatively moderate limited or small that's an alternative definition it's just small what's going to mean different oh it is look at that i'm tired hello i'm yeah i mean all all breasts are welcoming god's kingdom is not right rags no that can get too big oh how big the breasts have to get before they can't fit through they can't fit through god's door god fucked up and gave a woman boobs that were too big i'm gonna be frank though yeah boobs can get too big i thought you were judith i would take i am judith you said i'm gonna be frank i'm gonna well i've made that joke before it's a good one though i approve no he's judith he's judith now he's gonna be frank okay i follow when the legal name change goes through anyway i'm not trans or anything i just want to be a woman named wait a woman named i just want to be a woman named frank nothing will change except again all is welcome in god's kingdom except if you choose giant uh boobies that's the swear word we'd rather have uh i'd rather have a flat chested woman than a one with just huge boobs that were just too big they call them oh the woman rags you can i believe you can you just have to try hard enough i've got i've got receipts i kept that shit well if you have a time machine how much did it cost well it was i paid an installments like all girlfriends you pay an installments every fucking day to keep her around i play i pay with loveliness and charm that's what he's saying loveliness and charm come in the form of buying them things rent that is it health sourced yeah i have source it uh to to to people who have it do you have an in source or anything in so infast no in source no so oh my god oh my god you know how um you know how minecraft is currently doing the vote on which like uh animal to add to the game next you might you may or may not know is it no one of them is a yellow reskin of a cow right mcdonald's new animal that's just the cow exactly exactly well it's it's okay it's actually a yellow reskin of a moosh room but big different moosh room yeah explain it's the that's the cow with mushrooms growing on its back oh my god that sounds like i don't think like a terrible fungal infection yeah is that cordyceps no it seems like a symbiotic relationship in the game oh yeah um that sounds predatory not symbiotic i've just i've just gone on twitter i've just gone on to twitter and piss cow is trending oh why because the yellow cow can you milk your your male cow no piss no well if you if you if you milk the mushroom cow you get mushrooms no if you milk the yellow cow you get oh my god the infection is so deep in the cow that if you milk it you get mushrooms stew yeah that's actually disgusting that's terrifying that yeah that's horrible and then you can see animal just begs for death just kill me i'm gonna show you a picture of it now oh no piss cow oh my goodness i just googled mushroom i'm wow the infection it's so bad you googled mushroom before cow wow why would is it like a meme though that's getting up voted or what well it's not up vote it's trending on twitter i thought you but i thought it was trending because it was an upvoted thing that's i don't think that's how that works i think i think stuff only trends when a lot of people are talking about it no i mean i thought you said that they were doing a vote for what should come next for animals and then everyone was voting for the piss cow and then it became a trending thing on twitter no no the piss cow has already been knocked out of the running oh why is that why is not nasty enough oh my god wait which which one is i don't know i pulled that one from the discord someone oh it looks like a like a flower dandelion cow but i see why people would call it so we get the red is the red one a blood mushroom cow and what do you get when you milk lemonade i'm asking questions you don't want chocolate milk obviously oh the other thing they might add is uh is the glow squid which i like um okay nice if they can make it actually do they have elephants no why don't they have elephants did they forget to put in elephants are we live or is this just we're live this is this is this is gold they call this content oh no um i want that to have gone out to at least a thousand people oh it wouldn't be would you mollo no weeks working on this segment you didn't think no one heard fuck this shit yeah listen people want to know what our opinions are the new animals in minecraft penetrate the piss cow welcome to every frame of minecraft animal e-fama how are we live now after all of that drink from the teeth of the after all that we just had a shakespearian discussion yeah i only just went live so if we can just repeat everything your name wrong you don't even know how to spell my name why are we spelling my name i was uh getting the stream up and i felt an easy way to do that was to search your name who am i what do i want just search for the blood mushroom cow i'm sure it'll be tagged within the stream the blood mushroom um yeah is there a crit mushroom i don't know i might what am i a scientifician i wouldn't know this stuff i've never seen a gang war between the blood mushrooms cows and the crypt mushroom cows i think it'd make a really good like gangster movie because there'd be a lot at stake try not to smit oh so welcome to e-fap 103 the first of the spooktober e-faps uh i hope you guys like spooky spooky ghost is now animated and gets spooked by bats i feel that a lot of people will probably enjoy such things in a fight a bat or a ghost um what can the ghost fight what can the ghost do anything or um are we talking i'm glad you didn't start off by asking what can the bat do i know what a bat can do what give you coronavirus yeah if it gives a coronavirus to a ghost does the ghost die and become another ghost or what the spectral coo thing in the night oh my god um yeah uh i don't really know right i would bet the ghost just because it's already dead and then it can just outlast the bat at the very least can it even touch the bat well depends on what kind of ghost rules are dealing with that become a bat ghost well in that point that's where the fight becomes really interesting yeah i guess that's just like round two that reminds me of fucking doctor strange remember when the ghosts fight each other yeah astral projections is the red room involved possibly but i would want to really tweak it to make sure it's not tis me by the time we finish our battle i'm gonna spoil i'm gonna spoil hellhouse now the twisters of the series was bad all along oh no i'm joking most of us quite good well there you go that's the first of the hot takes done that's a that's a 0.5 heart take if that's even a heart take i don't even know if it's the first twist to make gary's bat i would have said that'd be quite chilled to hold yeah it's a cold take um yeah compared to everything else it's like if you've watched your house i assume you agree that the last episode is the worst one i think a lot of people really liked it i remember feeling like a bit of a sour person being like well i didn't think the last one was very good a lot of people really liked hitler moeller yeah and i had to be the sour post once again i've been like hitler you know especially in the later season ambitious and i can respect her with the law listen the last episode of hitler wasn't wasn't as good hitler respected the german lore true he had he did keep it all in jack that's good absolutely okay so like he like i think season one of hitler was all right when he was going through world war one but then like it kind of went up downhill after the be a whole pitch dude it was so contrived oh i'm a soldier in world war one and then i become the leader in world war two it's like they wanted to crank it up arbitrarily it was like oh i don't know it's not as fun if he's a soldier again oh the nerfing was stupid oh yeah suddenly jiminy has this huge military out of nowhere okay and and right as they were wrapping things up they knew they were making so much money they had to fucking throw in japan at the end so that they could keep it going yeah i like chich although he was kind of a cool character yeah it's pretty nifty you know thank fuck you hitler much like uh much like hitler um and also much like my my fourth grade report guard they went down in history oh well said so this is a kind of high quality content that people tune in for yeah like actually i feel it is i feel like people i i enjoy this well okay like speaking of someone who you choose into efat from time to time i enjoy this shit way more than the actual responses the absolute that's more about the people we respond to if anything else yeah jay you want to talk about piss cows and ghost fights and hitler's narrative plot holes tell you disrespect the piss cow ghost fight and how gore you disrespect hitler let's go to the piss cow but the piss cow would be beaten and turn into a piss cow ghost so then what happens you cows get to become ghosts i don't know is it only i what i just threw the chat jay is wrong again i asked a question wait did you who would win jay you would win and they're already like yeah it is wrong let's just skip to the ad you're wrong i mean maybe that maybe they're talking about your preference for portions of efat you have to be wrong like a multiple choice question on an exam just but merely answering the question loses you marx mm-hmm oh that'd be that'd be such a good fun that would be a good fun that would be a good fun analysis with the spirit of that statement um so oh we should probably mention we tested out among us on a monk 13 stream so if you want to go and find us playing it you can actually go to his twitch channel check his vods and then maybe consider following who knows it's completely up to you but it was a nice little experiment we're probably going to check it out in an efat gaming soon enough it will be in spooktober along with potentially the fucking what's it called dark pictures little hope i believe which is up to five players so mel will probably drag rags along this year it'll be great uh-huh get it right um wait mattel how long have you been here i swear you've not i was just just listening to the piss cows and heads our comments just casually people say provide link no you have to go and find it it's an adventure a monk this eat on twitch is enough information you can go fight you can use google i trust you what if they don't know how to spell it well that's part of the journey that's part of they lose it's over hey you can google spelling just google the word spelling like people wanted to find just go to spelling.com and then write in the word you went spelled correctly and they'll do it for you wait what the fuck just happened i actually found the best way to look up spellings like um is like a one of the is like a theory or whatever you can actually say the word and i'll tell you the spelling which is like super way way more effective than typing in a word you don't know the spell oh wow i could hear a noise and it was freaking me out it was my phone it was googling spelling because i told it to i guess i really thought i really thought that was gonna be like one of those six oh wow i was hearing a noise it sounded like someone was speaking but i you know you know when people do that no i'm not following at all not even a little bit i'm completely lost you you guys need proof this happened so i screenshot it there you go see that's just that was just on my phone it's like okay i i don't know how it works exactly i think it's supposed to enable like a conversation so if i said hey wait i shouldn't say it you know we kill discussions we don't enable them hey thingy uh what is blah blah blah and then it might send you a question back like do you mean check-in roll and you're like no no i mean something else and it'll just he said thingy so you don't say hell hey google right don't don't say that in front of phones people probably have this like open on speakers so okay google big anti-titties no it's like googling big anti titties no no um that was the thing with xbox right like xbox off people could do that and it would fuck up your xbox even though i don't know if that was ever real because it never happened to me i need confirmation from units i don't know anything about um xbox on enough um i haven't turned an xbox on or off in centuries wow well centuries yeah um so that's on the way other things are on the way that i'll possibly remember and talk about as we as we go through this um i want to show you guys a clip i saw i hope you guys haven't seen it and i hope i don't get hit with copyright from info wars but this shit's really funny so load this up i don't know how to get it on youtube so it's just on twitter um and we'll play it from zero and we'll just we'll just have fun okay you guys ready yeah hang on yeah yes okay three two one go that we are in charge of this planet not the globalist and not the genes so the jeff bezos and all the globalist technocrats and tim cook and their slave camps in china and all their evil they try to cover up with black lives matter marxism and the cop killing i say to you your technocracy is dead on arrival we are in charge of the planet not sorrows and not satan do you understand that sorrows you pathetic maggot we're in charge not you is that clear is that clear you little maggot and your little maggot son you understand that you think you're gonna have this fight never robots want it no we'll defeat you in your goddamn robots so i i don't know if there's any part of that i disagree with so i am in favor of defeating satan's robots i want to fuck up those robot the satan robots i i too do not want satan robot hang on hang on didn't he didn't he say that black lives matter was a conspiracy to cover up the evils of those marxist the chinese concentration camps run by the marxists in silicon valley so he's got all the right ideas but they got put into his brain blender and then spat out his mouth in a really strange weird order i just want to know where satan's robots are i want to defeat them i chinese concentration camps sure um technocrats being marxists um maybe they pretend to be for for marketing clout i don't think i don't think they really are like the technocrats are the marxists who are the marxists the black lives of marxists satan's minions so the so marxists exist i okay i will i will agree with that um and then black lives matter is a conspiracy to cover up chinese concentration camps they're on xical xical the concentration camps don't know which way's they just need alex jones with his sword leading an army against satan's robots so it's just we will defeat you he needs his fourth orlinga speech alex jones does to really blossom into the king that rohan needs yeah i want to see what he's set up was like to that speech like what was going on how he got it yeah how did he get that they bought a drone just to attack it like at some point he's presentation 10 out of 10 he hit he killed a drone with a sword what have you done with your life which i mean ideally though if you are fighting an army of satan drones i don't know if a sword would be the best weapon for that well that drone disagrees well did the drone did the drone survive rags um it's now a ghost i feel like this drone was obviously frozen in awe of being that close to alex jones maybe that's the one to punch he freezes them in or of his presence and then he hits them with a stun strike it's like a it's possible just a double hit and they can't survive it's the combination of his aoe yeah his uh his his strike it's not his ulti he goes way way more than that for his ulti that's like his cute what's his final smash um he cracks the earth in two what he knows there's no longer something to salvage it's over everyone the globalist of one that tweet was posted by ash coffin that joke of video was really good the only way to defeat the globalist is to destroy the globe we all have to go to mars with movibob no alex jones movibob would fight that would be all it would be alex jones would attempt to take mars from movibob imagine alex jones movibob cage fight jones versus movibob yeah i mean movibob's power is wouldn't stand a chance what would sugar do against raging sword wielding manpower such as alex jones nothing that's the answer um so yeah i thought that was really funny how many movibob's would it take to defeat one alex jones um i suppose maybe it's not about the amount of movibob's rather the size you would have to reach to defeat him i think the real question is would the different movibob's be disgusted with each other would they not live up to their own standards oh they would probably not get along yeah well maybe he's got like apocalypse's power where he can just grow to whatever size he wants this area of effect is just becoming larger that's that's his power along with the ability to control sugar this is why he's such a difficult enemy and what's alex jones's power um sword fighting outside of crack in the earth in two uh there's a few things um but yeah uh so the other thing i was gonna mention was um efap 102 took place and um it was it was a combination of a of a discussion on the last verse two as well as uh we checked out a video that um the jay put my sights on called the the one word ruining superhero fights i think it was wasn't very good i thought it was the n word uh well i think that's what he went with in the first draft but then they got knocked down by youtube so he went with flight and uh see i just think that fucked up the video because it just didn't make any sense but um there was a bit of like there was a bit of a weird pushback and uh i wanted to talk about this for the sake of the the guests we had a bit of pushback from uh several people in the audience who are not happy with certain coverage so i just uh i got three comments to just have a look see it first here you see he got um evan having some fun with with with how the the conversation went which is for me i felt personally it didn't bother me i thought we were past that this that at this point if he had said that in like person i'd be like well a lot of people when talking to us don't even see that distinction at all because we're um we're heavily focused on it so i totally understand someone being like wait what i can't just talk to you about how it made me feel like that's not allowed to be like well though it is just we're looking for um uh counters or or uh i don't know even even an acceptance of just like structural issues so like the conversation went a little bit awkward because we were trying to talk about this the structure of the writing but um internet channel so it was not only unaware that we were going for longer than like 10ish minutes or something he said but he was also just uh willing to concede on those but when you wanted to talk about how much he enjoyed the game so it's like the conversation just didn't uh flow that well then you got a a response i don't know if you want to take it ranks well yeah um so everybody if everybody needs to take like a pee break or grab a drink or something while i read out his name uh feel free to go ahead and do that i'll give him a best chance um so the highlighter reply is from uh out to sarahus 5h 4r uh this is first name i assume it's a hymn um it could be so it could be a woman either way they have Parkinson's clearly uh the last name is astvaavsurfa and they said i think it's swedish they said i thought we were past the point of gish galloping but apparently only moller and wolf are capable of avoiding that when they're on their own those are weird comment yeah i have i know like i i recognize all the individual words in that statement but the way that they're mixed together i don't know what the meaning of this comment is i i legit don't know what he's trying to say so gish galloping was something i wanted to specifically avoid if you listen back i make it clear several times i don't want to pile on about seven or eight arguments for why the cure was a no go instead i wanted to do one at a time and i wanted to focus on them to get an internet channel to perspective on each one so um i don't know if that's directed at any of us individually with throwing out individual points but we actually didn't even get that far over the two hours we talked mainly about um the nature of joel's death like how it took place and uh why ellie spade abbey and um i think there was one other major topic so to cover those just those three and two hours means that we were going pretty slow and um you know we had plenty of opportunities for um we left plenty of opportunities for internet channels to respond so i thought it was really weird that like it would be considered gish galloping maybe they were mistaken and what they wanted to say was um excessive politeness they they confused that with um gish galloping clearly well i was going to say maybe they were using gish galloping where they meant to use something else which was also popping up in the comments do you want to read this one rang eggs poor guy got dog piled hard by southpaw and mon roe at least the host tried to give the guests some deference and a slower approach rather than just brow beating seemingly for an ego boost so again um i would probably argue that was the most reserved performance from southpaw and evan that we've had on e-fab they're often very um like like southpaw several points chose to uh give the the mic if you will to other people even when prompted by me um and then evan is is is you know in a race with theo to be the um the quietest contributor but only contributes what they have so to say i guess er would probably beat you guys out um so i don't know i thought that was that was odd there was definitely no dog piling because the the meme going around about the conversation was that there was a lot of silences where um we present a position and then we wait for jamster to respond which is not something that happens when people are getting dog piled that's actually an impossibility the idea with a dog pile is the you know rags ask me something i go to respond then theo throw something on as well and i'm like okay so i go and then metal throws something on it's like okay what the fuck am i supposed to do now so it's weird um i don't get where this was coming from i don't know if it's because people were looking for a better conversation and they didn't get the one they wanted because uh i i can understand that but it's just that uh well let's look at this last one to just bring it home uh disappointed again another e-fab where they ignore the actual point create their own based on their interpretation then spend the whole time shitting on their made-up argument what happened i don't know what happened question mark fair not a full stop comment yeah i i gave him the benefit of the doubt and used to interrogative inflection there uh no you should have said what happened like they're describing an event what happened what what what happened what what occurred it was the current it was called what i don't know if this is regarding the debate portion or the the the video coverage but i do know that when i covered it with j we had a bit of pushback as well being like his point isn't the flight can't have stakes it's something completely not in the video and you're like oh okay because uh he's pretty explicit in that video but if they yeah again if they're talking about the debate i i don't know i don't want to tell you folks um if you watch e-fab 100 uh internet channels is hoping to get on at that point we couldn't fit him in schedule wise and then 101 was already um essentially taken up so we had one for 102 and we said like we want to talk about the video the video coverage and the last of us two and that's how the conversation went and i just wanted to say that uh i thought southpaw and evan both did uh just fine they're both very civil and um made their points clear and we did it carefully uh we wanted to make sure the individual parts were addressed where they were so yeah i don't know i just wanted to make sure that like these strange grievances were um read and accepted as just just like oh hello we see you but like i don't understand where this is coming from um so yeah i i don't know it's just um i imagine it was bumpy just because of the conversation itself rather than trouble with with uh how we were doing it because i'd say it's one of the better debates we've heard right if you can call it that not to like put words in one's mouth but people have a tendency to see like any debate and call it a shit show no matter how it's working just because there's disagreement it becomes a shit show in some people's eyes subconsciously um everyone thought the arrival debate was good though i think that one gets the top rating usually not a single person is like that debate just putting that out there southpaw exposed himself as a shusher he did he did shush uh in his channel at once but he wasn't being interrupted so you know sometimes oh god he shushed someone once i think i think it was the way he shushed him he was like buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh and uh that that annoyed many people but it's it's all right uh so yeah i guess all this left before we consider the coverage is uh we got three hot takes tonight one of them is going to be delivered right now before the other two shall uh shall wait actually just can't wait for spaceballs as boring to be a mild wild take from the past i'm sure it'll just be the the catalog of e-fap hot takes but um yeah i suppose it's it's all on you Theo it's it's all on you here you go buddy i'll try and not take too much time with this but uh chat we need to have words oh god okay so remember way back in the day we were talking about the prequels and i don't like the prequels and you told me that i should watch the clone wars because it makes the prequels better and i said i would not watch the clone wars because i think it's probably bad because i have on authority of people i trust that it's probably bad i fucking watched it uh yeah it's really bad it's really really bad guys like it's hard to go i was told it gets better later like after seasons one and two and then i got season three and that was bad i was told it gets better after that and it never actually got better is the thing the the best arcs probably peak to somewhere around like a six out of ten and it sits quite happily at a four for most of its runtime just about every episode is filled with just like so much stupidity everyone in the show is just well apart from like two characters are just complete idiots at all times it's insane uh the logic of the world is like ridiculous it takes everything about the pt and just makes it worse like i was told anakin gets character development that didn't pan out to be true it's basically just things anakin does in prequel trilogy but he does them a bit more and we play the imperial march when he does them and it's usually probably less justifiable like there's this one point very early in the show where anakin like he's with padme in her office and he's complaining and trying to get padme to come away with him during the war for like two weeks on just a holiday like and he's getting really annoyed and pissy with her because she's choosing her job of and her duty to the people and whatnot over just running off with him this this anakin getting better that does sound like something you would do yeah that's not a good thing with the prequel trilogy anakin we know that is not a good thing uh jeez i really like the scene where he um he pissed on padme i don't remember that scene i have well originally uh when originally in the italian version he was ejaculating on her but for censorship reasons they had to go in and post and change it to pissing so is that better huh yeah western audiences are ready for piss but not for coming okay if like okay genuine question would sexual peeing get censored less harshly than uh ejaculation everyone in chat who saw this segue coming give yourself five okay so that's that's i guess the hot take anything else you wanted to cover i don't know like broad strokes what do you think the problems are broad strokes uh another problem i could raise is the show is absolutely allergic to nuance like the writers running for the hills whenever they hear like a whisper of nuance it's insane anytime there's a possible dilemma where there's like it's not clear who might be right or who might be wrong or you know what the correct answer in the situation might be or what the right thing to do is the right is try their absolute hardest to just try to demonize one side to make it so that one side is right and the other is wrong just so there's nothing to really think about would you say that the show not that there are any other shows like this but do you think that this show might suffer a little bit because it understands that its target demographic is rather young and so they have to make it extremely clear so that like maybe potentially like a child's brain has to be able to digest it so absolutely the biggest problem is that it's entirely and absolutely written for children but then it has the goal sometimes to pretend that it's no and then it's something wrong when it really isn't and it doesn't have the teeth to be like it got to the point where when I was watching it with the people I was watching it with every single time a Jedi that was not like one of our established Jedi masters or Anakin or Obi-Wan or Ahsoka was on the screen we were pretty confident they were going to die within the episode because that's the only time they ever show up so they can die like there was this Russian gremlin one who they were prison breaking at one point and just because they needed someone to die because this is the Clone Wars and well you know war is hell they have him just get killed by dogs dogs like he's defeated by just space dogs for my people had a good reason I'm sure they did too considering you know they were protecting a government black site for the CIS it was you know it's fine yeah all right well Theo I've heard that Maul has a great character in this so why don't you why don't you why don't you get the audience to hate you a bit more but I just wanted to say by the way the three hot takes of tonight one's from Theo one's from myself and one's from Fringy who will be here eventually uh so prepare strap in chat this is not which of the which of them is the is the like I'll ping you to where would you say this one lands oh this one this is probably the easiest one I've noticed that chat have been 50 50 split on whether or not they agree with Theo the chat and not going to be happy with the other two I don't think no I think the the Russian gremlin guy is in the Phantom Menace see so I I have no idea who you are referring to I just saw that in chat and thought I might highlight he's in the Phantom Menace that's new to me maybe he's in the background and he doesn't have any speaking lines that probably be the case what's his name let me google him chat what you find in the prequels are the non-speaking line oh that's a pro this is someone said Maul it was the best developed hero in Star Wars and I will add you Theo oh no sorry what was that look Theo just deliver your tisms go on okay uh Maul's dialogue is one of like well the dialogue in TCW on the whole is not very good at all like it's really bad for almost its entire run everyone is hilariously and horrendously explicit about what they want to say everyone misses like the easiest like the easiest counters they could have to points like there's another just as a quick example of that before I move on to fucking Maul um Padme and Senator Bale they're having and they're having a little discussion in their chambers because the point of this little arc is that Padme is motioning to not buy more colotons while the war is still going on oh you're suggesting that it would be really stupid for them to stop because yes because they're in the middle of a war for their existence you know so maybe you want to not just stop buying your military I don't know seems kind of reasonable to me and but like her only real answers are just like moral appeals to like we should be looking for better solutions and the like and that kind of thing and that's what the episode chooses to focus on when Bale has a real answer that actually means something he says which he says to Padme and the show never really brings up again he tells Padme we can't really buy more clones this war's bankrupting us we can't just like unlimited the banks and in order to take out this line we can't just deregulate the banks in order to do this this is a terrible idea we need to think of something else because this is outside of our budget range and then instead of focusing on that very reasonable objection the show goes with goes with Padme's moral appeals which amount to nothing in the face of the senate really and there's not much to it other than like okay yeah war bad but the republic doesn't even have a leg to stand on in that front considering not one citizen not one citizen of the republic is willing to goddamn fight for their own nation or republic they just want that they'll just make the clones do it instead that is weird yeah that's always struck me it's really weird that not one single republic citizen went out and you know got their blast to put on their armor or whatever no they're perfectly content to let the clones do it so onto Maul so what um go ahead does uh no go ahead go ahead i'll i'll interject if i am uh Maul he was still somehow probably i almost want to call him the best part of the show because he does get a little bit of character development that actually sticks his relationship was don't laugh at the name savage oppress was um was you know there was something there that's a shout of the hedgehog level day right there i know it's very embarrassing like is it spelled savage oppress it is spelled savage oppress is this a is this a villain in the show or a hero he's in fact a villain he's a big oh wow he's a big sith man powered up by magic like straight out of the actual magic there's a sorceress in the show i see savage oppress i i like his saddle he's one of maulman's people uh and yeah they have a thing when they eventually meet up uh but with maul uh his dialogue is some of the most painful minutes of life i've ever experienced i genuinely can't stand it i i want to have a talk to the person who took Darth Maul the character that like i don't i don't want to say he has like widespread appeal or anything but the little appeal he has is based in like he has a strong appearance and you can maybe think about a few little things to do with his character based on how he acts and yeah wow two-pronged lightsaber and decently cool design yeah and he's he's like a hardcore sith salad yeah they choose to chose to take this character and have him be the one who starts like spouting cryptic prophecies and strange rumbling fucking sith villain monologues in this low rumbling tone not a hint of like real impatience or anything about him he's a very Saturday morning cartoon villain and i don't want to say the voice actor didn't do a good job but i think he probably didn't do a very good job because like it okay let's bring this back a step fucking wow going after when maul's first introduced in the show it's when savage goes and finds him uh and maul because they needed to somehow justify how maul survived after getting sliced in half uh so they find maul he finds maul off on i think it's some some important planet in like co-tour or something i don't remember the planet exactly uh but maul he's been trapped down in this like whole place in like pit and he's got his bot his lower half has been replaced by a spider like a robot spider why not two legs like he's used to question why not a hover legs that just no no robot spider and he's also gone completely in sec like he's kind of more evil though i imagine it's spookier to have give him spider legs than just you know a typical biped set you know that's absolutely why they did it to a trying disguise the bits maul and be you know to make the whole thing a bit creepier and weirder because like i said he's gone completely insane like he's out of his mind he's rambling about nothing to savage until savage manages to like get him back and take him back to the sorceress lady and you know what they do with all this like insanity and trauma and you know potential that they could use to then build the character out of the magic lady who just kind of sucks it all out of him and replaces his spider butt with a with just normal humanoid robot legs because her magic can do that too oh it doesn't take any sort of like machine skill or engineering no that's all she does it with her magic and then when he wakes up he's completely fine what do you mean fine and then like any all of the crazy rambling and stuff from his earlier appearances oh that's what happens when you attach yourself when you give yourself a spider ass that's what happens but when the natural order is restored and you get go back to having two legs then you get sanity back yeah he was turning into a spider that's why he was going insane i see his body couldn't his his upper half his organic self couldn't accept the this abomination of nature the main point i want to make about mall is for the most part the types of lines and dialogue they choose to give him seems like something i'd give to Sidious or Dooku long before i'd give it to mall like granted we don't have the most information ever about like how someone would characterize mall on a broader scale but the thing i always go back to in terms of if i if i was forced at gunpoint to characterize mall in some further thing after Phantom Men is because for some reason someone's mandated from on high that he has to survive uh it's the bit where he's trapped by the weird arbitrary laser doors away from Qui-Gon and Qui-Gon goes to sit down and meditate and sense and like center himself while mall's pacing back and forth like still clearly very hotheaded and aggressive i feel like there's something in there you can start to extrapolate a character out of and i feel like tcw went in completely the opposite direction and turned mall into a patient schema type which is him right it's very strange as a writing decision well if he was we've got this villain who stands out from our typical Star Wars villain and is quite different and character from the rest of the Star Wars villains we have what if we made him the same as all the other ones instead yay i've not actually seen this show i'm just showing off what you guys are saying i'm gonna i'm gonna take the opposite point here and i'm gonna say that it makes total sense that he is a extremely patient schemer because imagine how fucking long it must have taken to get his body tattooed like that incredible patience i think that's natural coloration oh i don't think it was supposed to be in the films but i think it is because in tcw but we see another one of mall's species in like in the prequels and he just has like skin tone skin we see more of them in tcw and i think most of them have like skin color skin it might be the weird magical nonsense that the sorceress lady does that makes them that turns them into weird magic it's either natural but not all of them have it or it's like very prominent in that culture but i'd always i don't say it's another species like all right it just looked exactly the same minus the tattoos but would be fair there are like there are species and stars look exactly the same as humans but a different color so yeah it's like oh like no those aren't romulans those are volkans like all right fine 20 to 20 whatever you're right they're supposed to be like ancestors of one another yeah i guess also don't panic chat none of us four have seen it we're just we're just goofing with theo while theo delivers the hot take theo's allowed to have a hot take okay yeah you can be all of your complaints at theo please do complain at me because i'm if you've hung around the discord at all i'm ever too happy to complain about this show there's so much that like if if you give me inroads i'll have things to talk about but i can't come up with off the cuff just like there's so there's so much wrong with it almost persistently the entire way through i don't think there was ever a single sequence of episodes that weren't riddled with holes on some level or another it's a mess guys it's not that good some people feel fixed the prequels some people feel vindicated by you saying it so you got you got some people yeah this chat is between like very bad this is really cool the community itself is imploding because of there's so many opinions that are so strong both ways like i've i've seen the statement i don't like theo and i completely agree with theo back to back i've never been in a controversy before so was that talking about ja ja so i have to watch season one i was i was told to get it again like don't worry he becomes less focused and i was just like why the fuck did they focus so hard with ja ja and the answer the answer is that it is for kids and they think ja ja really appeals to children which he probably does yeah and then i feel like ja ja applies to he appeals to infants you know to kill even when i was a kid i didn't like charger yeah i was i wasn't fun ja ja's death with a crowbar violently oh uh i want to hear his screams i regarding ja ja he's he's gone for like most of the show after that because yeah they do drop him when they decide they want to try and grow up but he does come back for like an arc in season six or so he has a weird team up arc with mace window oh my god to defeat it would be if i was ever like handed a star wars like if i was given if i was given the sequels or whatever you know in that fantasy world it would be my objective to build up enough good faith with the audience that i could bring back ja ja for a scene and they'd think it was funny instead of going why the fuck have you done that it's like i i would like to point this out because i think it's topical mike gusler uh sent a super chat he said i love jar jar binks don't mess with my boy however i would like to point out um that i do indeed believe uh mikey based on his um his icon i i totally do believe that mikey really does enjoy jar jar binks quite a bit i'd like to point out that i don't actually want to beat jar jar to death i'm not weird um i made maybe i i would i would like to give him something to think about with the butt of a rifle but i wouldn't want to kill with with with a butt i would put i would put jar jar on a complete arc i would have him get beaten the fuck out millions of times until he like becomes a grizzled veteran binks jango binks people keep telling me to talk about general grievous and there's not much to talk about go on then he's ineffectual and pathetic oh all right i've given a dial chat i think i think that's fairly non-controversial even among people who watch the show i would hope so because you can't there's no arguing against that he is ineffectual and pathetic in one of his first scenes in the show he loses a fight to a padawan and lets her escape said padawan being a soca but you know cool oh he because he seems like he'd be a really difficult opponent with a four light saber no but he can't use the fucking force so just yeet the cliff and you're fine it's really good it's even better than you think right because grievous literally is holding her neck in one of his fucking claws right and she manages to pry said arm off of her neck like with his robot strength though doesn't he have three other arms clearly clearly she used the force measured in like psi she used the force i don't think she did well that's well using the force is the obvious way to defeat grievous just force push him away you can't do anything about it he's not he's not he doesn't have the force nope what about we because we were told when it when it came out because we weren't watching it like oh my god rags more why aren't you why aren't you watching the i forget you'll know what is it the fall of mandalore the something of mandalore that's the one yeah that's the last arc in season seven we were told some of the greatest tv of all time we're checked on to be several 10 out of 10s all over place this is top tier i don't believe you oh dear well let's let's hear theos perspective okay uh i want to lead with i guess something positive uh i usually don't i think tcw's art style is quite hideous i don't know no no no no no no uh but in the siege of mandalore the show gets like a big upgrade to the point i'd say it looks quite pretty i think it looks really good in that uh the arc leads with a fairly neat character moment for anakin like him being a cocky son bitch which is kind of what i'd been led to expect was what anakin was gonna be much to the but he's not really uh but the arc is mostly hurt by the fact that it's taking place alongside like concurrently with revenge of the sith which hurts a lot because they're constantly having to like go out of their way to make sure you understand where the timeline is relative to revenge of the sith which also makes revenge of the sith seem like it happened over like a weekend as opposed to being a long sequence of events but that's a slightly different story uh an example of things going wrong with regards to it trying to tie back into revenge of the sith is um obi right at the very start obi won and anakin have just come back from doing a thing in like an opening fight or you know just to get us into the episode anasoka has shown back up uh for some context she at the end of season six she'd got what was it season no at the end of season five yeah she'd got kicked out of the jedi order and a bunch of badtisms that happened but we've caught back up to her they didn't leave on really bad terms and she says she's found darth maul and darth maul is currently leading the mandaloreans from shadows as some weird mob boss thing which is a very strange setup to have in the end of the clone wars uh and she's asking them to send uh like some number of clones to go and help him help her smoke him out essentially but the issue being obi one's just got a call saying um corrisance under attack like this is this is where revenge of the sith opens and somehow the show wants us to believe that uh the jedi going to help with the battle whether where the chancellor has been kidnapped over the republic's capital planet like the heartland of the republic is that's the them going to help with that is the jedi playing politics according to isoka as he tries to call obi one out for that oh yeah that's i mean dumb at that point it's their planet that's being attacked so yeah of all the planets to attack and with the chancellor i i feel like this is the time you know if not if not going here what would they possibly have to do to get your attention so what you're saying is that the show is deliberately characterizing isoka as unintelligent no because the show also wants you to believe that she is correct as far as i can tell like the show is trying to portray her in that scene as like the correct one because obi one doesn't really offer any counters i at no point does he really go dude it's corrisant and they've got the chancellor what are you maybe you're assuming it's so obvious that it didn't need saying i don't i think so like i'm i'm not gonna say this is a hard on fussing i'm because it's just something that started buzzing around in my head while watching season seven and the end well the seat each of mandalore arc i think isoka in that arc might be a marysuit i just also want to say that that moment was stupid but the arc is great feel you gonna oh here we go uh just to expand on isoka a little bit so in this arc pretty much everybody likes and respects her and looks up to her like just about like to the point where even maul is going yeah you got to join us bro you're the best i like your text every single character seems to be in support of her and lights and she's hyper competent she succeeds pretty much everything she does but i guess i'm not i'm not happy yet to commit to saying yes she absolutely is a marysuit i just it occurred to me and i had to keep thinking like oh my god she very well might be as the whole thing proceeded but uh back to how it connects with revenge of the sith because i think that's where most of like the bigger problems are other than structural things which are from set up from earlier seasons of tcw because this is the culmination of a bunch of things like this isn't the first time they've gone to go and try and smoke out maul while he's on mandalore that happened again that happened before in season six i think i think yeah i think we're season six uh and that's how uh the mandalorian i don't know what our position was the the person in charge of the pacifist mandalorian people's ends up getting killed which was one of the few times the show like vaguely impressed me but uh there's a later scene again with isoka where it's um it's the scene where the the council in revenge of the sith are talking about you know the dark side surrounds the chancellor blah blah all that whole thing and for some reason they just called isoka in on that like she walks back into her chambers and that calls just taking place on the i don't know how the hologram thingy and then they start letting her in on all of these all of the stuff that they're talking about doing and going ahead with despite the fact that she's not a jedi anymore like got banished from the order uh and then she starts you know offering her own input and the like and then when she starts saying things they don't like only then does mace come back with no we shouldn't be telling these things to a civilian anyway when they called her they included her in this hollow projector conference thingy directly by their own volition for some reason just so that we know where we are in revenge of the sith at this point it's incredibly bizarre what a highlight sort of chat said this chat is debunking everything this guy is saying and then like a few below says theo is right because some people are like you need someone to cover to defense the show this is a hot take delivery fellas you can make of it what you will we got two more to come and two videos to cover this isn't like a tcw debate thing you want to talk to me about the show i'm on the discord and like i've said i like insulting it so i'd like to bring up a hot take of my own oh god it's just that i'm all a rebel like two hours before the stream when i said hey so when will the coverage start and you're like oh the hot takes will probably take you know maybe like five to ten minutes we talked about minecraft milking things that was entirely for you let theo have just some time to explain himself and then we'll go right along i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not protesting that i'm just um i my my point is that i want to muller i want you to be aware of how long your show usually is like like it's okay that it's that long but you need to you need to get it in your noggin what do you mean this happens with every single thing i'm involved in i always i always underball it people like underballs they don't like overball exactly that's that's my point well then you can guess every time i say how long it'll take you should just you know give it a mullify it like times it by two and add half an hour okay something like that also by the way while um while this was going on you know how it when we were playing among us i accidentally like sabotaged one of our games by accusing you of being the imposter when you weren't oh you want to tell everyone about that or no no we can worry it's just posted the footage oh on his channel to his main channel he's like done a nice edit of it as well is that that's probably copyright free we could we can pop that on but before we start up today if you want oh that'd be fun just go looks like it'll be funny yeah um well to make sure we've hit the main the main things and um i remember people talking about something to do with the zombies and magic or some shit in the show at some point yeah there's magic it's very the sorcery like the force or i it doesn't appear to be the force i don't think it's the force i think it's just magic you know massage ventures character from prequel era duke's protege person i think she comes from this weird she comes from this weird tribe of strange i think i don't know how to describe them but they're led by basically just a witch she does strange spells in a cauldron gives duke basically the bubonic plague through space i don't at one point she shows up into a fight because i think grievous is invading that planet and she just starts blasting things with green energy it's um i don't i don't know there's just magic in the star wars universe now and it's very out of place all right uh the only other thing i just wanted to ask you about because again i got a bit only got seasons with context is there a point where either anakin or obi one have to get their memory erased because they know too much that they could possibly know for the third movie uh yes um seriously i believe so well first off there's things that they shouldn't really know because it fucks with things that i want to mention on that note they find out that this tyrannous figure is duke like duke straight up tells them i am tyrannous and that i bought the clone army oh oh yeah i wouldn't have written that into my show but that doesn't get erased there's this arc called the mortis arc where it plays out like really bad fan fiction or filler because they go to some planet that's like it it's the primordial nexus of the force and there's three figures there who are impossibly powerful one of them is has like gray skin and red eyes and dresses in all black and red and the other one is in like greens and whites and you know brighter shining colors and the other one is more in gray can you guess what they may represent christmas um so one of them is essentially the like the avatar of the dark side one of them is the avatar of the light side one of them the other who is their father is balance neutrality i don't know one of the two centrism let's go with that oh the most enlightened of the three um yes because he's their father and he's got like wisdom and shit uh there's all kinds of revelations in this arc for example anakin being shown that he is the one who is going to destroy the jedi order he like he's shown all the things he'll do in revenge of the sith oh fuck well that kind of fucks with just a little bit everything so the best part is he's shown all these things and that's what turns him bad because he decides i'm gonna do such horrible things i'll have to do them anyway i guess oh is it like the kind of thing where it's like it to stop myself from becoming this i shall do these things and those things turn out to be the evil things or what i i'm not quite sure what it was trying to go for because of course he's getting like but wait he's getting sweet ports by the evil man where does the where does the erasure come in the erasure comes in right at the end of the arc after they leave and everyone pretty much forgets the entire experience so is this like a machine they hook you up to no it's just a planet a planet oh it's a planet of like everyone forgets like it's an amnesia planet i it's not entirely clear exactly what this place is because it's it's any way ironically not remember it's i can't remember clearly it's giga not important though because like someone in chat said the father erases anakin's memory oh does he yeah he might hmm well it's i don't think it's particularly relevant who does it when and how just that it happens to be honest because you never really want it's like a force plant or something force planet yeah it is it's it's this weird force nexus planet these three figures i've mentioned are the only things only only people live and just the the entire way it works seems incredibly like intricately tied to the force and they spend the first few like they spend most of the first episode wandering around getting talked to critically by these three other characters is that the character that matt smith please what we're supposed to do right oh yeah yeah they they were gonna have one of the one of the people from mortis be the villain and eyes of skywalker weren't they yeah yeah that was matt smith i think i think it was the son who was the outside man the father does it first then all of them die and then the planet dies and then they all wake up and they've forgotten the whole thing and it dies yeah oh yeah that's a funny interesting message the show sends um so everyone dies in the end like the son accidentally kills his sister uh and is very upset about it despite him being like plotting against her for the majority of the time uh and then he ends up killing the father and then the son dies so yeah they're all dead by the end uh and as with his dying words the father tells anakin that he has brought balance to the planet by destroying it by all of them being dead the planet the planet and start to explode uh and so so in order to bring balance to the force kill everyone i mean that's an interesting concept of balance i guess zero does equal zero yeah yeah i guess well this uh i don't think it was going for that there's your heart take i suppose a lot of people like get anna on to debate theos like i mean we could possibly set that up in future but uh um oh the debates are always the most popular they always go so well i'll try if you want but i've never done live debate before and yeah the thing is me and rags actually can't really be involved because we've not seen the show so that's going to be okay i don't know i have half of what i heard is true well we've already we've already been told several times by many people to avoid it and i don't even think you've had chat want us to see it because we're gonna shit on it i think you'd do worse than i did um so don't worry if theo has said everything that theo said if it's all inaccurate if it's all misrepresentative if it's all cruel and theos a big dingus it's okay we just wanted to show you his heart take my perspective on the clone was yes um but don't worry my position on the clone was is is just gonna be that yeah i've heard i've heard different things from different people hey but at least it's not some kind of like critically acclaimed animation yeah it's not like everybody directs to us like it's not a beloved show that uh people really love it show but it's not like it's not one like that it's generally not considered like you know really smart and and like generally considered like uh is it really yes it's generally not considered like an intellectual masterpiece right it is in some of the later arcs i believe people bring up some of the later arcs like umbara siege of mandalore things like that and they're held up as like great a very a very grown up intellectual masterpiece yeah because the show does try to grow up it really does try it fails but it tries well some people fail to grow up so yeah true art imitates life but yeah um have fear because the other two hot takes are going to be much more fiery than this one oh they shouldn't but uh the but but i was going to say i guess we can move on to checking out weekend warren's video and then uh we'll get to coverage once fringy arrives the next take shall come it's gonna be great so everyone jump into the watch together right so this is gonna be is this like a super cut of when we were playing it today well yesterday for some people jay what is this like a super cut of us playing it i'm getting i don't know i just we can worry about playing it and i started and it's like oh this is the footage of that time that that thing happened all right then um so we want to jump in we've only got three so far i'm in i'm in uh i am in are you in jay hang on hang on someone asked me gx is you actually think christianity is indoctrination but drag queen story hour is not dude twitter is rotting your brain what is the correct please direct me to the place i said that fucking okay so i posted okay oh christ that's one of what a bad faith interpretation like i post like oh christ yeah okay fuck that shut up okay so uh uh just i was indoctrinated into christianity it doesn't happen okay i think i've got the video up well run for me for like a couple of seconds is uh can anyone not see the video see the video i see the video yeah you know you know what i'm gonna you know what my my favorite response okay i'm just gonna i feel like a good uh part to start with the response to that is uh i don't know what drag queen story hour is so i i doubt that i made any specific comments about it um um the idea that you can be lgbt and that's fine isn't the thing that you are describing shut the fuck up okay carry on all right so queens are different than lgbt aren't they yeah you don't even have to be lgbt to be a drag queen it's just a strange coincidence most of them are you think yeah i'd imagine i imagine most since the vast majority of men are straight i would i would imagine that it's just guys who like a lot of gay drag queens though i'd say more than the general population but i think i'd still say that i'd still say most are probably straight any drag queens in chat yeah come on and let us know about uh drag queen sexuality demographics i would love to you like man care it's important that we understand we need the statistics on this do you like dudes all right i'm playing it now you're ready smaller across that i went from i've complete all my tasks i went to so uh yeah let me explain yeah okay jay what happened um and then i was wondering what he was doing there is uh i checked the cameras i've done all my tasks no yeah but that's not an admin that's in uh security but i saw you walking around while i was in my way i went i know i saw you walking to admin then i uh walked back and i was like oh i wonder what he's doing now i'm gonna look if he's looking if he's swiping his card or he's looking at the map i go back in and he's completely gone oh you walked out in that time because um because jay's going way too hard on me he's got to be the impostor because i'm like the problem is there's no way that i'm going to be able to yeah but where are you jay i know it was you i i know i was i was with me for a little while i was around him this is my way to gain to jay's so i don't know why you would trust that you gotta have something to corroborate where was the body uh in the place where you view security right where you see people in the videos is that the big screen really help i didn't see anyone around there i don't know that he wasn't in there because i was in there oh i would i would recommend skipping if you kill me you're gonna be an oh bad choice palace i would i would be very suspect of jay but i'm dead now oh oh no it's oh no oh we can listen yeah yeah what this fucking jay guy yeah let's just do our tasks like oh my god mauler oh my god you got played like didn't i got played so if there's only two incidents and a killer so if the killer kills someone it's over yeah yeah oh so when there's three people oh yeah it's like a sudden death thing whoever the killer is just need to press the button one time so we need to split what no we don't we need to split no we don't jay what you guys have just it's all three of us need to split because if the killer kills one person which they can do it any no the thing the kill button no the thing is right like we should just go to the oh yeah it's rags he literally just asked what the win condition yeah like i just played it this was one of my first games yeah and so i i was you see here's the thing i don't actually think among us is all that great um it's like a bad version of ttt second one take yes the second yeah i oh i guessed uh but yeah it's just like a watered down version of ttt that isn't as interesting and it's boring and tall but i see why people like it because i i had to get clarification because i was like oh if there's if there's three players left they the the the imposter just has to press a button and win so it's almost like what's the point of even so that's why if there's going to be three people left you might as well just bank on guessing on somebody um which i don't think is i just don't think that's for your games and as you saw jay jay was just super fucking sure that i was the bad guy based on i still don't understand what i saw based on terrible vision i went in the fucking um i was in the hallway outside admin i saw you go in there i go away i'm like maybe he's the imposter i'm gonna see what he's what he's doing in there i look in and he's just not in there anymore and it's like i swear there was no time for him to leave by any other direction but fuck it i guess there was and you're so sure you can only kill the innocent vampire yeah someone says ah for fuck's sake rags it's just a fun mobile game you don't need to criticize absolutely everything but for starters sentences begin in capital letters and they end in punctuation so why don't you why don't you think about that for the next few hours you said firstly i thought it was going to be a second you need more than five people is like so what i just criticized has nothing to do with how many people you start with um i think it's fine for the game i think it's fine it is totally fine i definitely see why people really like it and you can expect it to turn up on e5 gaming at some point probably yeah that's a new word it means probably but but not for sure but probably where's the australian uh i don't know you'll be here at some point but we're gonna soldier on because it's time for the return it's kangaroo you know it's funny uh we haven't covered patrick willams in just about 100 episodes yeah it's crazy since i arrived since before you arrived community yeah it's uh it's nuts that he's like such an endearing meme or enduring meme rather and he uh and yet we've literally not covered him since episode three or four was it three it was three or four it was early it was in the first five was it episode two was covering him in episode three or four i can't remember well let me double check here let me go to uh youtube dot com efap patrick willams it was episode two well we covered him again after that he was either three or four and four and four ah so yeah 99 episodes so if you answered three you averaged out to being correct hey there you go so there you go good stuff well either way this is one that's been you know that's the people wanted us to cover this for a while and you made a part two to it as well because what do we want from a star wars movie i feel like you know patrick's perspective i know right you love star wars no literally a favorite thing of all time yeah but this is this is more about i feel more about the meta of star wars it's not about like really like what goes on in them i think yeah this is going to be like a meta discussion in many ways think of this as star wars and jason yes right and it's like star track at star wars and jason and discussion um see is everybody is everybody ready no i'm gonna be but i will be back in just a moment all right i will be an update not bad hour and a half intro it's pretty it's pretty good it's pretty quick um you know i've just been sent this by will be 666 you might enjoy this is that is that me or i guess i was actually i've been hacked guy yeah that's a combo of gas mask plus i was hacked guy plus among us yeah unfortunately i was unable to actually know the one time i got to play imposter with you guys i did kill you all at least all that were there good good times yeah you did what you did really well as imposter you keep saying that i fooled people once just once no you have that to live up to now forever i was gonna say you're gonna be you're gonna be embarrassed when you find that i'm not actually very good i just got lucky you get it running conversations and people tend to listen well what what what happened in like the alien game uh that will probably happen in among us is that you just the goal of like a lot of people just be to waste time yeah getting in the way of stuff and uh yeah you know hey rax check out that wonderful among us art wow that's impressive i believe the same gentleman made one of me that was pretty nifty oh really now you've got yours too mine mine was uh i didn't have a bloody knife in mine maybe uh i don't want to armchair psycho analyze here but uh i'm seen as the villain i don't know what's the do you want to post yours i can put it up um i don't have it saved i can click on it real quick here it is i've got it boom got it handy there you go there's mine i like you have the shades on still it does kind of look like yeah so it's yeah i'm assuming we're both imposters and i'm uh i'm the one who's killing you're the one who just looks nice and it's like hey everyone how's it going i'm the unassuming um uh you're the honeypaw the honeypot i'm the honeypot i'm the money shot honeypot money shot that's that's me um so time to delve into the mind of patrick williams once again the first of and it's suitable because it's called every frame of psycho not saying patrick williams is psycho or anything every way ready to cringe sponsored by rogain sponsored by dollar shave raid shadow club wash your shave legends read oh my god i would stop lately i've been thinking a lot about star wars why as in so we're gonna we're gonna stop right there i don't know so i would like to point out the very odd modem placement that we have going on right on top of the wood floor by behind the lamp what an interesting and the surge protector seems like a tripping has an interesting home setup this is think about where you have to put your modem down on the on the floor behind your surge protector right on the couch right by the couch like what an unusual there's a story behind this we'll never get the answer well he's a filmmaker so this is all very deliberate so maybe the modem represents his connectivity uh perhaps with others like through that modem it's his hub for how he views the world and sees other people and or i don't know or you just put them there because fuck it or you just put them there imagine how long it must have taken to get the camera in that like position setup like that i wonder if there's a dude holding it maybe he's like he's like teetering on the couch he's like oh god i think he's used to sharing his couch with a dude dude yeah why not no i mean well i don't know if that's a okay so like epistemologically speaking i don't know if that one holds up but maybe we'll get more clues because we sold your force in more than i usually do but recently it's been less about the movies and more about what people think of the movies see i'm fascinated by the responses to the last jedi the movie is a massive critical success it's a massive commercial success but among a sizable portion of the fans it's divisive that's a nice way to put it it's uh it's successful in these regards it is just divisive with fans i mean i like the pronunciation of fans like fans again it's a commercial success but it made seven hundred billion dollar less than its predecessor attributed to the loss of the next star wars movie and the next star wars movie and splintered the fanbase in one of the most divisive to the point where it's its own analogy for divisiveness now so yeah it's there there's a few things to be said concerning that certainly also he fucking he hated rise of skywalker and that was uh commercially successful is that a notebook what is that because you have the modem here and it's got it i hope his camera isn't too good because that's probably like got his wi-fi password written on it like on most of us do it's taped on the side yeah it's too blurry it'll be fine i yeah sure um that's probably the case um but what is that behind it weird whatever ever enigmatic is patrick willams but yeah i just um it's always questionable to bring up that it made money it's always just like oh i don't know man lots lots of exact lots of things that'll be in your corner if you do that especially with critical success i'm assuming he's referring to like critic scores on aggregate sites if that's and how much does that count for what you know i'm trying to think of that point you may as well refer to the fact that it got made like it was created all of these people who are supported by the industry thought it was a good idea yeah i'm just saying the only like even force awakens managed to get past the fanbase as a sort of i would say as a majority but uh tlj couldn't squeak by makes you makes you wonder surely about what's going on but you know that's maybe his setup here he's like hey let's maybe think so what is he thinking about in a way i from a major blockbuster maybe ever occasionally i'll skim through social media reading reactions from people who he has furniture to put the modem on so this isn't an empty room that he just moved into but like the evolving story he's got a wine bottle just sitting there by the window he has a wee yeah both guys have wee weasers right of course he has a wee it's a bit childish to refer to it as a weed well what about a winky best name for a for a wangus ever that was the that was my that was my first when it was it was when i was very very young it was the winky and that's why even as a kid i was confused about tinky winky i was like why would you why would tinkle and winky and then you name a character tinky why would you do this tinky is an adjective that describes his winky his winky is very tinky it's better than wanky tanky wanky tanky that's his musically inclined older brother what those words mean things what does it mean for something to be tinky what for something to be tinky yeah if something is tinky what does that mean i feel like well tink is like an onomatopoeia sort of for like metal on metal but also pink was the uh was was a shortened version of tinkerbell that peter pan would call her tinky so perhaps he's implying that his penis is like a small fairy creature uh okay that's one urban dictionary when you shoot a boss in a video game and the things hit him and he makes a tink noise most bosses in video games are tinky that's shit urban dictionary what i imagine that's a very poorly rated definition tinky no that's the top definition second definite they have ratings where it's like positive and negative second definition is tinky stinky without the s wow very insightful from robert belcher 39 what are they suggesting about tinky winky it was actually uh posted by crackhead kooza yeah well crack like crack yakuza you can always trust crackheads to have the best takes well what if the yakuza bosses are tinky because they go tink whenever they get shot well i'm just glad they don't go tink whenever they get shot because that would be that would be very inappropriate i'm just curious if the the original idea was tinky winky and they were like oh we should probably not a boss who is impervious to your attacks and makes a tink sound when you hit him okay so his winky is impervious to damage yeah his winky is impervious to damage i mean no wonder that he's on the telly tubby team that's like a power he's the fucking the is he the leader of the telly companies they had a he's the alpha dick resilience contest and he won the 11th definition is tinky acute synonym the cock dick or penis so his name is cock cock penis penis i mean penis penis dick dick cock is a legitimate name that someone in the world probably had yeah probably that's what happens when you spend too much time in the po hole nice thank you hated it line that i've encountered countless times it's an okay movie but a bad star wars movie no it's just a bad movie i don't like that phrase it's just a bad movie on the screen but the implication here is that the implication here is he's reading it out from something he saw like he's like this is in the review someone said it's it's an okay movie but it's a be it's dire wise movie i mean half correct yeah every time i see this bad the phrase it's a good movie but it's a bad x movie no it's so he said so he's the thing said it's a good movie about star wars okay it's an okay movie yeah that's happened wrong because it's not a good movie yeah by itself adding star wars to it makes it worse not better yeah but well i think we talked about this at some point but the idea is that um if you remove all of star wars as lore in history to that film how does it function on its own it's like i guess it's an improvement because there's less to contradict but uh there's a hell of a lot less context yeah i hope his room that's for sure but it's still garbage on its own like it's still self contradicts i wonder what does that even mean what makes a good star wars movie and more importantly what do we want from a star wars movie i'd say probably um strict adherence to lore and previously established informations and characters acting as they've been shown in the past i'll go simple it just makes sense how about that yeah just makes sense payoffs that uh are supported by the events previous to them like coals and effects being respected that'd be neat i think i wouldn't adjust that one song from the cantina i want to see where jubaka barebacks luke jubaka bareback luke i thought you said jubaka can't because he's such a hairy fellow can he bear back i don't think so doesn't bear back just mean without a condom that's normally what it means yes j but i was i was you i was playing spirit of the concept you fellow theoretically you could shave and he would it would be about you know the proximal i agree you can only shave theoretically hang on i bet if you google shaved wookie oh no that's a great idea j um oh christ i'm waiting for it to be posted is it getting posted i mean it's not it's you know honestly it's really well so there was a character from aqua teen hunger force uh my show's garbage i hate it i just want to say that's a bad opinion and the character was drew there's a character named drew in uh drew baka i think was his name but he went by drew and he was like clearly supposed to be a wookie parody character um and and he looked well let me see if i can get a picture of him let me let me get a picture of drew baka here he was a he was a fellow let me oh drew baka he probably put up with a lot from drew baka but he was he was quite a sight back with something else so this is the oh that's well i guess we have our answers all right oh that's what that image was why is he yeah he drew a carl throws some batteries at him and in his entrance episode i'm gonna stop looking at that now yeah i'm gonna carry on there for everyone i'm gonna carry on looking guys i need it he's got more nipples than i do yeah that's a lot of nipples because he's got that that that one loner at the very bottom like his nipples kind of taper to a point good thing he's got that bandolier on or we'd have some issues we want from a star wars movie so i decided to figure it out i put on my skywalker ranch had to prove that yeah i went there once and ventured outside to get to the bottom of this the skywalker ranch one of the dressing options at galaxy's edge when you go to the restaurant there i don't want to know i i mean i give that a thumbs up breaks i do i think that was where i would think that was worthy of it was out there but i think you can grasp the pieces people i guess um healthy choice why is he like i'm gonna go outside and discover what we want from star wars this movie like okay why is this an entire article huh i found an entire article called um star wars characters even chibaca shaved edits yeah but why though some people just have a lot of time i don't know look what we did basically every um every star wars character i mean every star wars character with some facial hair gets a shaved edit oh well that's by the way isn't very well done oh my god oh they remind me of uh justice league superman oh no why did they bother oh no it's it's like done with the blur tool see more yes please no thank you it's good that we found this out see more oh my goodness so okay so the second a lot of the pilot guy what's his name frank big Frank so frank without he kind of looks like i don't like i want to say that's madz michelson without uh facial hair what i i hard disagree madz michelson didn't look this that this that's too different i think i think that's what he reminds me of that's what his face reminds me of is is is is m squared oh two m double m why did somebody do this what was the point okay there's an entire there's another article here dedicated to mostly um photo shops of star wars stuff into real like wartime pictures which just seems like taste wasn't involved really with the creation of these images like okay this is a bit cringe so here's the thing that could potentially be a good idea but this is just like lazy crap yeah it's not well done either but it's like hey let's let's let's go stuff into into pictures from world war one that's terrible that's just shit i've ever seen shit yeah that last one especially is awful oh my hey they thought they were so fucking cool and badass when they were editing these but they weren't um yeah i don't know what to say about this this is a bit like imagine they submitted this it for good like so for some art project you as a teacher you're like oh oh you fail i'll give you a c for cringe yes my favorite is definitely the it's not even like fun cringe the storm trooper and the dude coming together to have their fight that's just hey can someone can someone editing posters to cringe topia thank you i'm sure you'll get lots of upvotes from trooper versus gi drone of justice june of justice june of justice yeah june of justice because the guy's name is john and the gate the name of the storm trooper is justice all right anyway back to the before we get started quick disclaimer i'm going to try to keep this as objective as possible but i have opinions on star wars that are bound to crop up in some way so really quickly here's my take on every movie a new hope an empire our masterpieces return so i guess like after he was done with the video he went back and made this i don't know i don't know if this is going to be how the video is done in total or not no i may like this part specifically it just seems like that no the fact that it seems like it's really quick like he's in a hurry so i don't present stuff yeah i think that's just how he does stuff no i think he did this afterwards after he did the rest of the this seems like something he put in like he squeezed it in and he thought oh i let me let me before i get started i would as you get this little preamble thingy out of the way so i can explain myself before i go forward i mean yeah you might be right we'll be able to tell uh because once he's done with this bit this should be some kind of change in how he's presenting it this can't be good the prequels are not good but phantom ennis is the most watchable force wake wow i'm gonna try this to keep this as objective as possible the phantom ennis is the most watchable out of all the prequel i mean i didn't even know that was a question surely it's right it's really it's like surely like it's not even close right it's off it's clearly the best of the three i want to so chat yeah i want to see if anybody unironically believes and agrees that phantom ennis is the most watchable out of the three three prequels i want to i want to see who's in even then like attack of the clones is way more watchable than i don't know i can see the argument for both of those i feel like it's not way more it's bad it's good appeal i think it's no i think it's neck and neck between the two in terms of terrible i think i'd rather watch the phantom ennis because i just think it's worse and there's a there's an appeal and seeing how bad it is because i do think the clone was i think the clone is better than phantom ennis attack of the clone was attack of the clone wars revenge the war of the attack revenge of the phantom clones oh yes walls damn that sounds cool right let's make it that does actually sound very cool lucas do it you can have that one for free once uh one star wars remember revenge of the the phantom clones the saying you could use it just you know remember remember remember us here i need it'll be yeah that one it'll be all the jedi who died come back as phantom clones and they kill ray because she's palpatine they will get revenge on her and restore balance of the new empire well i see that's not as cool as trilogy phantom can they be a phantom clone of the death star return of the new empire just sounds weird then um hang on a jedi strikes back come on okay do these things on board with that and then the sequels would be um garbage poop ship see i feel like you changed your uh your operation there garbage poop and shit and then you just added them to each other yeah well that's what i was doing with the other two trilogy i was taking like one one one word to be a film in the title and then garbage poop shit people would still buy tickets i'd watch it dude if they had brought star wars episode 10 garbage poop shit i'd be like you serious i won't see this very awful good what are you doing the last skywalker awakens fuck it who cares it's just the sequel the title crawl is just not title right no the title crawl is just the troll face in ascii be so ready rise of force okay where did the force go that's a good question all right patrick take it away a new hope an empire or masterpieces return to the jedi is good the prequels are not good but phantom menace is the most watchable force awakens is good road one is pretty good last jedi is great here's my ranking and just remember this is objective whoa revenge of the city is lost oh my god are you shitting me wow i didn't i had no idea he puts phantom menace an attack of the clones and the last jedi over revenge of the well the last jedi doesn't surprise me because it's him but like wow why remember this this is objective as possible i would say it's number four revenge of the city there's a good chance yeah i can't remember we did rank them in 100 right i can't remember what we said i can't remember i think i was super torn between sith and rogue one as to which one was better yeah we need to see rogue one again and we did say when we ranked them that the ranking would probably change the next time we do it because that's true but man he puts revenge dead last wow that is uh opinions discarded in terms of uh just craft i feel like return of the jedi and rogue one and revenge of the sith there's an argument for all of them having that third spot oh and some people wanted to mention he was saying this part is to get his biases clear this isn't the objective part yeah oh okay okay good good well done thank you and hey empire's number one so you know there's that let's get back on track i'm already on this bitch oh god here we go so when i ask what do we want from a star wars movie you might just think the same thing we want from any movie you dummy for it to be good but star wars is more complicated than that no not really do you mean i'm a fucking movie because you mean star wars specifically is more complicated than apparently unless he's maybe he's gonna refer to the fact that it's like a phenomenon rather than just uh your average movie it's just a bad movie and it's a bad movie i was giving some credit like along the lines of what do we want from a star wars movie okay so what do we want from films that exist like off of existing frameworks like could you go to a star wars film and have it be some gritty noir investigation film or whatever and you'd be fine with that that's the kind of angle i was expecting from that title i guess but surely like from them from the most charitable point i don't get this then surely if it meets whatever standard he's about to introduce that would mean it was good i so i think he's talking different i don't think he's talking in terms of good but well he seems to be drawing a line between good movie and good star wars movie which is interesting he's definitely bringing expect audience expectations i don't know i'm very good i think it's accurate to say star wars is the biggest american cultural phenomenon since football there's lots of big movie franchises but none quite like this of the 10 highest grossing film series star wars is the only one that's not an adaptation it's not based on novels or comic books which means they're it's based but but it's based off of prior established movies yeah but it's original movies i don't know how important it is that it it started from some because a lot of these are adaptations as well don't even like the people who are fans of the comics are pissed off at how brazenly they ignore their source material and a lot of these so if you look at that list the mcu often goes completely against the source material like this is jk rolling's wizarding world i guess that includes the new ones she's been doing too i don't know how faithful they all are batman that's all over the place wait they got wizarding world and then they got harry potter yeah okay disney's live action reimaginings those fuckers i guess you know i just mean like oh it's not built on something else first um some of the like the fact that star wars is star wars is almost like that's why it's so successful the name sells whatever they're putting out which i assume is the benefit he's referring to when with the other adaptations that they have something to build off of which you know star wars is so old know that it it may as well be is what i'm saying i i i just like the force awakens is so reliant like it's insanely reliant on what came before it um i don't i don't know i mean yeah great things should stand on the run either way but like to say that the rise of skywalker standalone is cool safety net of source material what is source material a safety net i don't know safety yes and no it depends safety net from what perspective i think in terms of earnings or like wide appeal recognition i guess you could say it is because you can point to star wars and go yeah that's a star wars thing like certainly not in terms of quality because obviously theoretically you could just have a shitty book that's adapted into a shitty movie and you're like but you hadn't something to adapt from how'd you fuck up yeah yeah do i mean by that going into a harry potter movie most people already know the story from the books are with the marvel movie even if it's not jason once most people don't i don't agree yeah i feel like what put harry potter harry potter movies did not read the books you have to do like a poll i guess yeah they were hyper popular books and the marvel comics did spread out i think reading books is kind of like a niche thing yeah i guess we need statistics on that one but um marvel comics though like the mcu pushed you know superhero shit to hyper mainstream it wasn't where it is now wasn't where it was before let's just put it that way and that's the same very part of i i guess he's saying like yeah but it could take advantage of a of a preset audience which i would agree with yeah but the comics audience is way you know it's insanely small compared to the mcu's audience i would have to imagine so yeah this is this is from uh today dot ugov.com what are i don't know but july 18th 2011 so according to our results they they did a poll i suppose 18 percent of those surveyed had read all of the harry potter books 31 percent had read at least one of the books uh let's see the movies posted even larger numbers so 25 percent of americans had seen all of the movies that's fucking insane actually yeah shit uh and 61 had seen at least one um and these and these numbers grow between 18 and 34 year olds when asked their opinions on the harry potter books oh that's interesting 15 percent of people said that the series was a bad influence on children because it portrayed witchcraft oh my god interesting um 45 45 percent was entertaining but no important life lessons and 39 thought it was a good influence and had positive lessons to teach um so let's see yeah that's uh yeah um that's interesting i tell you once i found out about witchcraft i was i was it was over ruined it usually a few different storylines plus you know who's not going to die because they're already appearing in trailers for movies coming out the following year people reference this all the time that only really happened to black panther i was gonna say how often does i feel like that's a one-time thing right i don't know was there any confirmation black panther wasn't like a prequel um well to infinity war it technically is i guess but what i'm saying is the trailer for infinity war was in the cinema for black panther and it's like oh right yeah like and then they bait his death in black panther and it's like uh a bit weird but you know um i would actually appeal to contracts people know like everyone knew that chris evans and uh robert angine were leaving after endgame like everyone just knew that you know i don't think your general movie going oh what i'm suggesting is i feel like that's more widespread than people guessing the deaths from the comics like i don't even think that's a thing oh yeah yeah yeah but he didn't say from the comics did he right sorry what did he what did he say maybe i the comic it's usually an amalgam of a few different storylines plus you know who's not going to die because they're already appearing in trailers for movies coming out the fall oh trailers right um yeah well yeah my my things of that would be uh that that rarely ever happened i don't even know like outside of black panther i can't even think of um a time that's happened because i brought that up when it happened because i thought it was so fucking strange to show that trailer right before black panther but um he's right that that could be a thing that could happen but i just don't think it really did that often and especially compared to the contracts information which a lot of people would would drill out who's gonna be staying and who's going from yeah but that's like that's that only happens in like peak nerd circles i don't agree um but i think that was more widespread than anything that i don't think people were able to predict a hell of a lot from just trailers about who's going to be living and dying plus you know there was explicitly uh trailer trickery um yes you know they thought they they did like huge big budget cgi stuff to put misleading things in their trailer so the oh people are referencing far from home that the existed was the trailer for far from home out before endgame was out yeah oh well yeah that's another example then it was out after captain marvel all i would caution with that one is the i would be surprised if anyone thought spider-man was staying dead in uh infinity war i'd be like really do you think so no yeah it still counts but he's like the one hero i'd be like i don't think there's any he's got like infinite plot armor i remember that because the austin mcconnell has a video uh about uh he why he has presented the theory that spider-man far from home was fake and it was that's a mislead like the trailer for only that's a mislead people and the spider-man actually did die expensive misleading plan though but yeah all right that it would be kind of cool they would have pulled they would have done that like mad props to him for going the extra mile um for what insanely little payoff that would be but still like wow following year but star wars is the only major film series where the primary story developments happen exclusively in the movies when audience is going to a star wars movie they don't know what's going to happen it's an entirely different experience um okay wait um that's so so let's let's talk the same thing if you don't read the books the exact same thing of let's let's talk a little bit about like how how we get information to do with what's going to be happening in the future for plot lines in these franchises funnily enough you look back on the past few years we knew more about what was going to happen in rise of skywalker than we ever did in endgame in endgame i think people got a lot of the plot points and that was out of desperation to find out while in rise of skywalker it was like tell us how bad doc like how how how's this gonna go so um if we're talking strictly about the proliferation of information about these fucking plot lines we got shit tons for star wars but if he's going strictly from the idea of just like oh you know marvel has surrounding information in lots of ways that you can get in for you can get access to to who's going to be living and dying versus star wars that's mostly secret right up until people enter the cinema so like i guess i think i already know what he's doing i think he's gonna argue that uh since it's not based on any source material although it's going to happen star wars is the perfect opportunity to subvert audience expectations oh no and that's why star wars needs to do that because it's the only thing that really can some calling it now maybe not yeah i just want to say um in like in reference to trailer footage or comic knowledge or whatever you can draw from the mcu he might be right but in reality like star wars plot lines were completely pilfered by the time the films came out so yeah yeah i don't know experience than just about every other modern blockbuster um i don't think so i don't think the last day's weird i think because the the culture grew around maybe yeah maybe this video by the way because this video is from after last jedi but before rise of skywalker so i think so it wasn't on his list of rankings maybe he would change his mind about uh how it works at this point but yeah um i think that happened because of how fucking pissed fans were so there were people on set even at this point who wanted to leak stuff i guess have i ever taken one yet sorry i have to check if i've ever taken this man yet taken this man overtaken oh where do you want to i haven't forgotten any man i've taken no but i'm close um i eat him up jay beat him up i'm forgetting i'm 3000 subscribers away from him well happen it's a different experience than just about every other modern blockbuster and while other series have been rebooted and remade star wars has been one ongoing story that has continued for 40 years and counting there is ongoing okay so that when this whole story that began 40 years ago is like yeah but there's huge gaps in between the trilogy and a lot of this stuff was not meant to happen you guys literally didn't have a plan for the last three movies you were disney was practically scrambling as and disney have fucked with canon several times yeah so don't don't give me that shit don't don't even yeah it sounds a lot nicer when you put it in a broad sense of where it started where it is it's like oh that's cool it's like not really simply no other film series that works this way we live in a strange time where no other film series that works this way surely alien predator terminator all work this way i heard it again other series have been rebooted and remade star wars has been one ongoing story that has continued for 40 years and counting yeah that's not true so okay alien hasn't been rebooted prometheus and covenant of prequels uh there are there are soap operas on television that are just uncountably long basics well he said thousands of episodes do you say film series film i think he might mean it but oh well oh uh friday the 13th has 12 movies i think i think they've been have they been retconned i don't know he's he's saying ones that haven't been well retconned like in a meta sense like you know like terminator got retconned twice so that's out of the running but uh alien had avp right and i think a lot of people like to imagine that they actually retconned that and resurrection and stuff but the newest predator was pre avp i thought it is well no i'm just saying those are the bad ones quote about right but that there's been no effort to decanonize any of these and the predator actually references avp in universe so it did it's still canon how does the how does the the the the time and james bond work is this a continuous thingy or is that just always rebooted the new vector like you don't know that's always rebooted okay okay so yeah um i think it's harder to name uh series that have been retconned than their film series is now coronation street uh the uk's coronation street holds the official Guinness world record for being the longest running oldest television soap opera in history it first premiered in 1960 and has since aired over 10 000 episodes oh yeah mission impossible surely wait i want to listen to him again just see if he said film series rebooted and remade star wars has been one highly different experience than just about every other modern blockbuster while others and remade star wars forget it just skipped over the parts did he say film series he just said other series huh well then he's double wrong yeah but like i feel like i feel like um i'm gonna make a guess that he appealed appealing to the length of time isn't actually important to his point it's just something that uh makes it makes him sound more right because let's be honest you could make you could release uh six films in 12 years you know that seems pretty reasonable and uh it doesn't make the fucking it doesn't make it higher stakes the fact that there was a long gap like doesn't make it better yeah especially if you have 20 year gaps between your trilogies yeah it's like uh you could accomplish this with just the same amount of content in any amount wars has been one ongoing story that has continued for 40 years and counting there is simply no other film series that works this way oh he did say film series yeah well he's wrong what about star so what about star trek no film series 40 years if you if you don't play star trek movies there's a series of star trek films oh yeah so before you had that you had the original uh you had the original series movies you had the t and g movies all in the same universe as well yeah that's true yeah i don't know how much longer but i mean i that depends on how you tally up the time i just did a quick google search as long as continually running film series the pink pamper 1963 to 29 this i think they rebooted that though uh i have no idea i'm just uh yeah i was rebooted uh marvel cinematic universe okay uh star trek yeah sorry it's kind of weird star trek's been rebooted well it was what how star trek was like a soft reboot right they they combined the old and it's different dimension kelvin i can't remember what they do um alien would be my counter right because that's been going since 79 till uh covenant which was 2017-18 is that 40 years i think it's just under 40 years so it doesn't count like it's fucking 30 died or some shit so yeah i guess terminators close 1984 to 2019 well if i'm assuming he doesn't count things that are rebooted then terminators out people saying bond um i think bond is considered to be something that was rebooted yeah i mean yeah we just talked about this yeah i'm pretty sure alien wins like it can it can get into his count uh same for predator by the way in 1979 to yeah all right but yeah um because one continuous story that keeps going on you i guess if you wanted to be really specific be like alien films regard different characters in different parts of the world so that doesn't count i'm going okay so the style was kind of um yeah no you know what that's kind of true actually uh maybe he would argue it always it always regards a skywalker so no ray skywalker he was in rocky as well Jurassic park that's when did Jurassic park come out 93 that's probably not close to 40 but that's another one yeah because that's not rebooted that's the same universe we live in a time where star wars is omnipresent new star wars material is available in books comics tv shows video games and disney plans to release that's not even close to new that it's available in books comics tv shows and video games that's been going since prequels possibly earlier star wars is huge it's gonna be like that for a while new star wars movie every year until long after we're all dead or in case they fuck it up and then get back the fuck up like oh wait because they totally would have done two star wars movies a fucking year if they could have just didn't work out one star wars film later but it wasn't always oh sorry too wait was this before or after solo came out that he was saying this was i'm assuming before solo because well but he did solo wasn't on his list so oh yeah the try maybe he didn't count solo it took us this long for any of us to remember that yeah we forgot solo was a movie that happened a long long time oh shit i better be careful with music yeah i'm just gonna mute until it's over mute mute mute i have muted it sorry guys if you want to is it done yet no yeah oh yeah okay there is still music behind it though it's not about jimmy carter much different there is no canon no episodes no wookiepedia there was just a movie what do you mean wait i mean there's no canon what is he talking about in 1977 there was no wookiepedia because yeah because there was no internet yeah that's because but there would still be law keepers there were people obsessed and they were right books and like come on what are you talking about in 1997 before the film came out i don't know what point he's making he called star wars a billion years and he's just saying there's only one movie and that it wasn't like some huge extended universe is my guess is my best faith interpretation of what he's saying and now it is because of the greasy neck beers and it's coming to your galaxy this summer the canon was not invented until dr canon made it in 1896 sweet okay that you guys didn't know that was before 1977 yeah well but it's he invented it and then they started applying it to things and they didn't get star wars until way late oh shit next spectacle ever put on screen with a classic story both mythic and relatable and it became the most successful movie of all time fine movie clips just stop be careful they can knock down our stream patrick do you not care for me how could you they're littering their videos with defensive measures later there was a sequel and back then what did people want from a new star wars movie pretty much just more star wars and while the empire they wanted more stuff that was the investigation right well that's you know what he set it up that's another this part of the theme of the because that question is going to keep coming back and he's like you know what it is i hope he doesn't fucking mark browness and end the video be like who knows what it is no please i want to know what more star wars means god damn it back is in me is a truly strange sequel we'll get into that more later attributes of the original is important to carry forward and what needs to be changed to make it original and not just literally a carbon copy of the first one that's a very important thing to establish when you say you want more of something because you you let's be honest you know you don't want literally a recreation of the first installment force awakens disagrees clearly that's what all you wanted you want you want certain elements to be continued and carried on while others to change and evolve as the story continues and and that's how that's how it works you know that's what sequels do without without anything of the original you're sort of pointless to make it a sequel yeah but uh yeah you don't just want it to be the original star wars and while the empire strikes back is in many ways a truly strange sequel we'll get into that more later it gave them that it had the cool fun surface elements of the first one and yeah like are those bits he went in and he shot himself with these like interruptions he shot himself pot pot i i assume he shot all of his talking points in that way and then he put the video clips on top of it and then he did insert bonus bits at the end like when you realize he needs to provide symptoms for it um yeah if he's gonna say like what you described jay is pretty much what empire is it's you get all the stuff you probably really liked about a new hope and cranked up a little bit and then you also get things changing and new things happening i wonder if that'll be his conclusion i don't know and built on the story in surprising ways and another three years later what did people want from seemingly the last star wars movie more star wars plus an ending and they got it dude this analysis is top tier what did they want they wanted more and did you miss the point of your own video hey you don't you know who disagreed with this fucking wisecrack they said it's hard to end anything the middle is the best part so how do you think how how what do you think people wanted an ending nobody wants ending they just want middle yeah they were students of mihi chik sent mihi who shared his tutelage with uh hidl saltis and hidl sub will be a Freudian and begetius the the legends themselves don't forget lesbos oh lesbos this is like five scholars now this is getting a bit nuts what a pantheon the world is bigger than you can comprehend true lupinheim there is more in your universe than can be dreamt of in your flow shut up shut the fuck up everyone liked star wars everyone got what they wanted and everyone was happy i like that he put generalization no i don't think you get to just asterisks generalization on the screen listen everyone liked the last jedi generalization and then we entered the strangest arguably most important time in star wars history that's part one part two the long gap okay so this will be the time between the ot and the prequels exciting guys you ready for history lessons ready for some analysis i was hoping it was would have started earlier but no people star wars fans want more star wars no they want the long gap in 1883 it seemed like star wars was over it was complete and for generations of audiences including mine we experienced it simply as why did you do this patrick i'm very confused by the shot i don't even think the shot is shouldn't you have set it up on like a stable ground and then had like a nice still shot instead of this pan around to his vhs is awkwardly sit on the beach he should yeah he should use you just hit it with his finger and it falls over to symbolize the death of the ot oh no we consumed star wars with no hype no anticipation and he found it on the beach he found the star wars trilogy he found it on the beach so narratively he left the house after putting on his cap and then he went to the beach and he found the ot there and he was like huh this is helping him on his journey to discovering what does it mean to be a good star wars movie never mind the fact that with three films in by this point in terms of what i think star wars may or may not be he's getting there the oh geez give him a sec times ticking he's giving himself 20 minutes and that's it more star wars no this is part one last one we want an ending well yeah but then what do you want good when people said they wanted a grid of your star wars they didn't mean that so far um he disagreed with the guy saying um well you just want a good movie right so far how long has it been since that like five ten minutes of this video his video or an hour video his video how long five minutes ago we were probably fucking starting to talk about the beach yeah yeah exactly that's what we saw in his video it's four and a half minutes long so far so make it two okay so um so that guy said oh i don't uh we just want it to be good right and he's gone no actually you just want it to be star wars i by definition i can't eat anything but sir referencing that with uh it's more complex than that actually they want it to be star wars we consume the star wars with no hype no anticipation and no expectations well only the first one the second one was probably the first one was probably definitely a different type of shit they would even expect any box they would even be hype for the first one when people weird of mouth is how that film sold it's like oh this film is amazing it's you'll blow your mind it's the best experience i've ever had in theater you'd be like oh my god yeah the idea that it wouldn't have been incredible hype for empire and then through the roof mountains of hype for the third yeah i don't know if he's referring to the the whole of the ot or before the first one even came out either way i think he's wrong the movies simply were collect the complete the movie simply where what are you talking about how does it work he's trying to oh that's like i'm just gonna go to the cinema and go into a screen room and see what happens like oh that's a good movie and still even then that that person will still go like i just see the best movie ever go watch it so even if i have hypothetical you're on get fucked i think he means no expectations for sequels i mean but he didn't say that he said no hype he said no expectations i don't think he meant that i think he just meant the atmosphere of the fan base surrounding the films was different back then almost non-existent or some shit like like in terms of the abundance of bonus material surrounding it because we're all obsessed with it sort of thing maybe you just think there weren't people leaving mean comments about youtube listen star wars fans have always been crazy okay they love this shit star wars trilogy one by one in their attractive new packages which is weird because if you look at like the letters on all of them there's just no through line here yeah or in this collectible gift pack we were like i left the way it cuts off in this collectible gift pack so anyway let's talk about them now that that man is done talking shut up all bid i won in their attractive new packages or in this collectible gift pack we were like devout christians and this was our bible we watched them over and over and over studying them memorizing them discussing them and then i was disagreeing about them i'm kind of mixing messages here all right i thought he was saying like it wasn't like that but now it is i don't fucking okay i'm just gonna go with it 91 what became known as the star wars expanded universe began countless novels and comic books and video games filling in every gap in the story of the original trilogy telling stories from earlier in the timeline and continuing the story after return of the jedi soon there was not a moment in the saga unexplored no character whose backstory could not easily be looked up official star wars guides and encyclopedias were published for over 20 years fans were taught that they could learn and know everything about star wars people care about information making sense yep they like this shit man people yeah people really like the idea of a world that's congruent with itself is that casper vandean on the on the right looks like him guy from stash of troopers but it looks like riko and then one on the left looks like um he looks like um yeah i got nothing we're given a connoisseur of events that happened after the original movies ended and they accepted it the expanded universe taught fans that there were answers to every question that the backstory to everything will surely be i'm really curious i'm really curious where he's going with this like it's like yeah this is all the thing that happened all right what's what's what we're doing here they could learn all the rules they could know everything about what did you say sir how did this work back in the day when they made all this i mean the the expanded universe wasn't it basically hat cannon or did they actually get licensing from judge lucas to write those books novels whatever yeah i mean they would have had to have licensed the ip out and then they were writing them i think there was a unified sense of like trying to make it make some sense but it just all got ditched at one point yeah okay people in chat will probably know more about how that all worked exactly yeah backstory to everything will surely be explained somewhere they could learn all the rules they could know everything about star wars in 1997 it's very important for my video that you carry this camera behind me while i walk down this random sidewalk for three seconds he's a filmmaker rags you wouldn't understand because you just sit on the internet complaining about things he's doing the real job out there yeah and i do my own camera work too anything like documentaries on tv i do want to say people underestimate how difficult it is for rags to maintain that position that that live feed from the discord avatar as well and looking so happy it's like it's not easy yeah you would think that all the blood would rush to my head but i'm used to that i'm getting a bit of dry mouth myself metal is resisting cleaning out his eyes excuse me my middle bit is moist because of those those pumpkin innards it's really it's really slippery in there i was just reading shed what what is that why is dry i'm confused i was on chat because people were like i was mostly licensed because i was like you're like i have a dry mouth and my middle is moist like okay and my generation finally got to experience something we'd wanted for as long as we could remember the star wars trilogy on the big screen oh why'd you have to do that loud now for its 20th anniversary should have someone curious sound balancing for him now we're the 20th anniversary they just don't use that voice anymore but the voice is on is cool anymore okay there i said it sure of a lifetime returns to the big screen the original movies were re-released into theaters as the star wars special edition but they weren't exactly the original movies as we all know george lucas made some lucas why why did you do it some alterations some were small like cleaning up old matte paintings but others were bigger changes that impacted characterization that fundamentally changed scenes we pretty much all agree that these changes were a mistake but this moment marked a shift in star wars fandom because why we needed to have this it in fitness added so much look at this little joe is on that dinosaur it's so cute for the first time the fans knew better than the creator they said no george lucas han shot first luke didn't scream as he fell and size noodles was better off staying in the background okay we gotta talk about the prequels and why do they do that though they start it where they're sitting down they start the film and they they're sitting down i'm almost sitting that's coming from somewhere you are right but like he does this very deliver he fucking starts like all of his shots sitting down usually throws his hands into the camera too like that's like his thing that he does i don't know why it's style with it we we had like like three back-to-back videos at one point it was like brown table and like two other people or they would start like sitting down like we wouldn't have guessed that if they're sitting down at one point they weren't and there was a time where they transitioned from a standing to a sitting position we just weren't there for it they like i always i've always interpreted it as you know when they their face is really close to the screen and you can see their arm is fiddling with something and then they go all right yeah like they're preparing the camera yeah i've always thought it's like i'm just like you i'm a normal person okay you ready you use the viewer it's like oh my god just so normal just like me when they record themselves they press push push on on the camera this is so artsy and yeah these movies have a lot of problems but we're not going to talk about those we're going to talk about the two things here that are important one they were all backstory they gave us origins for the major characters from the original movies as well as the minor ones they gave us more backstory than anyone well no they introduced totally new things i mean when he says they were all backstory i'm not entirely temporarily they came first yeah i was going to say technically speaking you can say that but like it sounds dismissive i'm more concerned about what he thinks they're missing like zam wessel wasn't a that she wasn't backstory she she was invented she lived and died in the span of yeah you know just a moment but that was new the clone stuff oh no they rough as the clone wars ones but you didn't know exactly what those were yeah it was yeah i mean it wasn't all backstory it's true at all and actually asked for two they didn't feel the same the originals were how would they ever people say that about force awakens it felt like the ot and it's always like it's the peak of like impossible to defy it feels right you're like what does that mean what do you say it grab because i would concede instantly that the prequels don't feel like the ot but i don't know that that is a criticism it's like uh they they're not the same thing i don't think the feel of the two different trilogies makes one better than the other if that's where if that's where he's going with this then surely he needed to spend a lot more time on the special edition and the changes that came with it i'm assuming that's very important when you when he introduces part five the force awakens or whatever the fuck it's gonna be um he's probably gonna be like this felt like star wars this really did be they were about relatable protagonists who were mostly regular people who came from humble beginnings the world felt lived in and tactile and the prequels abandoned the world felt tactile isn't that the world felt feelable i think that is uh let me double check tactile over connected with a sense of touch perceptible by touch or apparently so tangible designed to be perceived by touch it felt feelable okay people usually describe things as lived in when they probably mean that as in like it just looks so real and all of that were stiff and formal the characters were all royalty politicians and monks who spoke stilted vaguely medieval sounding dialogue no there was like a bunch of thugs and stuff and bounty hunters and slaves and pod racers all kinds of stuff all over the place yeah visited all kinds of places with all kinds of people yeah again varying degrees of british accents i'll take back what's off sorry the world was clean and artificial and quite often you can't clean artificial it's a lizard dragging itself through the dirt kicking up a dust cloud behind it i suppose that contrupers with scratches all over their armor and blast marks are standing at the ready well if he wants to qualify artificial just it just doesn't look real looks CGI i should be like okay fine but uh clean i don't know about that it's certainly some places but i would assume it's the places that are meant to be clean like camino is not going to look dirty there's a fire burning in the background weird strange way to go with this was obviously created in a computer while there still existed surface elements like lightsabers spaceships and alien planets relatable tactile feeling that made the originals feel special you keep using that word but if i asked him to define it on the spot i don't think he could i'm i'm telling you i'm pretty sure he means feels feelable he looks at the thing and he feels like that could be in real life while this looks like it's just didn't made in a computer is that what we're going for with the core of star wars yeah i guess so that it needs to feel needs to feel real yeah i really feel like the writing is more important than any of that but yeah the writing the style of the writing the general messages and ideas that comes through it it does seem like it's it basically made by a different person i can agree with that probably i feel like tactile has made it into so many videos where it's also standing because they don't want to be more specific it feels very tactile in its feeling that's totally gone i should underline that a few times the feeling was gone we're gonna come back to that because what people wanted from these movies was you need to be answered in this stuff like now earlier like better the early guarantee if you're gonna rely on these things to try and make points but you don't define them and you don't explain what you mean by it the earlier the better it's probably the fact that he's gonna say like the sequel trilogy nailed that part like the that's pretty what he's gonna say that's why he's gonna raise that with the special editions mm-hmm and what they got contained elements of star wars but it didn't feel like the star wars they remembered when he said it didn't feel like the stars they remembered he forgot to put generalization on the screen so he taught so part two was the long gap wasn't it yeah part three is the new era so why was the prequels a part of the long gap yeah that's why i ask i was pretty like yeah i thought that would be the end of the because the prequels were not a part of the long gap obviously yeah kind of kind of how to call it that was content they were almost caught up to the present this is the final part of the story so in 2012 disney bought luke's film and announced they were going to make new movies continuing the story after a turn of the jedi so episode seven eight nine but you already know that for the first time in 32 years the story of luke skywalker leo organa and han solo would be don't remind me they ruined luke they ruined lea sort of they ruined han yeah they they continued the yeah they show did because i remember being like that was one of the biggest drawlists to see this was like this story's gonna continue how fucking cool is that um continuing and not in the expanded universe since that was all scrapped from canon in a new movie for kathleen kennedy and the luke's film team and jj abram's director of episode seven there was one major goal make it like it used to be and more importantly make star wars feel like it used to there you go how does it make you feel yeah it means to do something that i haven't really defined or explained that's the thing if um if that's gonna tie in to what this whole video is about like it's important fuck it we'll just let him carry on because i really don't know where he's gonna go exactly on every level the force awakens was designed to give viewers the star wars experience they hadn't had since the original trilogy all those changes in style and approach in the prequel trilogy they were reversed and yet look at the reputations of both of these trilogies reversed yeah they reversed the style of the prequels and it got them this oh god yeah i um the character again talked like normal people the protagonists were relatable they came from they begin us oh yeah we're already had to get to troubled territory now the movie was shot on 35 millimeter film it used real sets and practical effects the art direction was dirty and so i'm gonna i'm gonna say it for all the people who're gonna explode in chat there's loads of practical effects in the prequels loads of them lived in it was once again relatable and tactile it felt like it wasn't relatable at all i'm relatable the most relatable of the three trilogies exactly what by his weirdly described it all as relatable rather than like a particular character she's like i yeah this just this are the least relatable or sorry the uh the sequel sorry the sequels are the least relatable of the three it's the most hollow and empty universe that i've seen in a long time there's like a there's like a hand icon that's like it like it pinching people people put that icon with tactile you can pinch the film do you think of the ot or the prequels are more relatable the ot i find that the characters in the ot are very very close to human and it's really easy to slip into it so yeah but uh the sequels are fucking bizarre i can't like i don't get anybody in the sequels everyone's weird yeah that's it's like a it really is like a different universe and i don't mean that in the in a complementary way like star wars again the movie wanted so much to give viewers the feeling they missed that it largely based its structure around the original film while it featured new characters unlike those we'd encountered before the story beats and visuals were all you bet they're at you yeah you bet your ass they weren't like what we've seen before like oh yeah here it was designed to reassure us and win us all back by being just like the star wars we remember it this is so music this is so gay oh star wars is back everyone look at it the music swelling and playing one that's gonna be so hopeful coming in like a like a butt soon oh well then the last Jedi attacked but yeah the misconception of this video is the tfa was like a miracle and tlg because he's obviously gonna say that tlg challenged our perspective perception of tlg i mean of star wars Disney's new one a year for star wars goes like this one year we'll get a new episode in the i love that he's about to explain how it works and it's not it broke a year after this time time was not kind to this video main saga then the next year we'll get a spin-off another story taking place within the world of star wars and they'll alternate like that now for all the faults of the prequels they were always designed as key components in the main saga but the spin-offs like rogue one and the upcoming solo aren't they're basically wookiepedia articles in movie form rogue one is a two-hour film designed to answer a decades-long nitpick our plot hole as some call it about the design it's a pretty decent question to ask honestly yeah i absolutely think it's worth there's no reason why you wouldn't ask the fuck out of that question yeah that's not a nitpick it is extremely plot related it is uh i'm going to integral for the plot and to say it's a purposefully designed flaw from the creator because he's trying to sabotage the project while actually coming across as though he's making it it's like hmm that's something death star and solo will answer questions like how did han solo get the millennium falcon how did he meet shubaka and presumably what is the kessel run and then of course there's the last jedi which has only been out for a couple months and i'm sure you have your own opinion on it this is where things get interesting while to me at least it still very much feels like a classic star wars movie it doesn't play fuck we haven't gotten into what do you mean by that what does it even need to feel feel like star wars what does it even mean give me the analysis bro i need help it this is like this is the nega universe version of the empire strikes back like this is the the evil universe the the bizarro world equivalent of the empire strikes well this film is uh you know a wizard is coming up with technology it's like i'm going to take you to the universe that has the worst star wars movie in it and we're all like oh my god so exciting here we go and it's like it was also the whole time then the credits roll actually other people here will be visiting you and then and then we're all like seriously this is the worst needs like oh there's a couple ones that are like you know this but with some tweaks to make it worse but yeah this is pretty much as bad as it gets like oh i'm going to do her nails while she was commanding this oh yeah maybe maybe she's a type of alien that grows black nails you don't know her hair is naturally colored that way because she's an oombakook that from planet oogalak she's a femoid oh my god things as safe as the force awakens instead of repeating familiar story beats and continuing a familiar status quo it pushes the story forward into new unexpected territory that worked out he's tried so hard not to say it's a masterpiece because he doesn't want the video to come across as just a lecture about how tlj is great but this video is all a masquerade to sneak in tlj is great again for god's sake tlj is saving star wars yeah it's a fucking masquerade god damn it well a lot of people save their money on movie tickets some some saw it three times and they weren't even bored we're trying to make up for all the people who didn't fucking see it so now that we've caught up to the present it's time for what is this it's time for what part for the video part of the question for a p the whole of part three this is well i'm the structure this video is about to be called into question i think i agree we're halfway through so hopefully we can get some you know i'm starting to not register where in the video i am i have the same so if you didn't if you're not following because you're all stupid part one is the ot part two is the gap between the ot and the prequels part three is the i was going to be my joke essentially the prequels there for some reason the prequels exist between parts two and three they're in their own thing but they happened in part two but yes uh now part four is the question which as you guys have been watching this whole thing you can tell what this is leading up to right what do you think the question is um what do we want what do we want from a star wars movie yeah that's the video i'm excited here we go okay i've gone through 40 years of history i've obsessed over the i've gone through 40 years of history he says in 10 minutes 10 minutes in he's in the woods now dude this is what i've seen someone more out of their element than patrick williams in the woods dude he's right next to civilization he's terrified even oh yeah where he lived yeah he's like oh i found this like two acre brush collection it looks like the woods if i you know have the camera facing the right way listen i you ain't in arkansas where i am or if you you could travel in a car for 10 minutes and just be in the wilderness so he feels like he's in the wilderness okay it's a couple of trees in la or something it's terrifying he found a lot that's just a couple acres big between some zoning projects and it's not it's currently not developed but it there's definitely a big four sale sign up front and he just walked in and i imagine this way it looks like i'm lost in the woods imagine he'd said part four the question what is the secret of mario's job we'd be like hard for a question what are these really called bindi things that grow like from the ground is this earth's hair i remember these being green a while ago the evolution of star wars fandom so what was the point of all that where am i even sit what was the point of good like what was the point of going through 40 years of history it's just so funny because people consider this concise by the way i'm the long idiot he's the concise one he managed to sum up 40 years in 10 minutes like he didn't say anything nothing was covered buildings in the background on the back left yes gained any knowledge like even when you're just writing history you want to be expanding on something yeah like what did he tell us that's new it's like oh people liked star wars but it came out and then the prequels happened and they were they were a bit iffy and then and then we got the new one and people liked it yep we did it because it felt like star wars again oh right i was supposed to be answering what that yeah oops even going with this the new star wars movies have okay now i have trained added in forest sound effects too yeah he's a filmmaker critic that's the that's the gimmick you'd make it wouldn't it be more impactful if it was dead silence stop doing the documentary person thing oh he's cool yeah but when they do it they're at least going somewhere for a reason he's coming back home because he was in the woods looking for star wars and he's coming back home because he realized that nature is shit and he wants to be back inside with his modem on the floor and his wine bottle by the window and his we that is a sound of a little bit you need to calm the fuck down i was gonna say dude there's other people here try to talk okay yeah shut your mouth bring it what's up what's i said shut up oh my god we're watching patrick williams return from the woods you got lost in the real world star wars yeah and uh by the sounds but it's not great video is it it's amazing that's a patrick williams video what do you mean wow racist he's gonna he's trying his hardest to make it seem like it's good he's he's out here he's he's at the he's at the the bus station he was in the woods he was on the beach man he's he's just traveling all over the place you know what's crazy is he's kind of brings joined at a perfect moment basically we're at the halfway point of his video where he's doing a little summary of how far we've come so in the first 10 minutes he told us that the ot came out and everyone's really happy about it and then there was a gap where people made some eu content and then the prequels came out and people were sort of 50 50 on that and then there was a gap and then tfa came out and people were pretty happy about it i don't know if you knew any of that oh man that's uh that's some really enlightening information yeah so now uh he's called this section of his video part four the question and we believe the question is what do we want from a star wars movie so i'm really excited to finally get to the meat of this video i don't know if you guys have ever written like essays in school or anything but usually told to you know answer the question that's hey this is one quarter one quarter of his two videos okay so you're rushing him and to be honest with you what's funny about how like people say i need to cut shit turns out of my video i would actually argue probably gonna start his video here assuming yeah for what happens now all that shit's filler yeah it's shit we already kind of know you could develop your point as you go through that information or you could do you could do things like define your terms at the beginning of the video well i think part of the problem is like when it comes to looking at videos and what they're talking about the the idea of length there's no discussion about whether or not the length you know you may want to be tasked with a 500 word report or like a 5000 word report it doesn't you know whether or not either of them have the correct information isn't contingent on the length it's about whether or not they say the right things sometimes it takes longer to say the right thing than it does you know in different instances it's just kind of stupid to look at you know like wow your video is an hour long oh geez wow brevity is the soul of win well it's like you're missing so much of this remember it took me what like coming up to fucking seven or eight hours to talk about half of one movie while patrick williams has talked about 40 years of history in 10 minutes who did better yeah that's what i thought obviously patrick because it took him 10 minutes yeah i mean yeah because i mean the shorter you can do it the better necessarily whether or not you say everything that you need to say to make your point could have even made it shorter though because if he's going about it this way then he shouldn't even have had the first 10 minutes if you're gonna have those first 10 minutes of you know setting the scene of star wars is history you should be developing ideas of what it could potentially mean like in terms of expectations for a star wars film as you go rather than he knows that what he can do here is he can rely on every individual audience member to fill in for themselves what is meant by feels like star wars and feels different like he didn't have to define shit because everyone's just going to bring their own version of that into the video and he didn't have to do anything you get the audience to work for you um also i just i was just made aware of this bit of odd weird checker sound you can all learn mooper yeah this is the the intern you see learning all about the long now somebody who's just mentioned in chat that i sound sleepy they're correct i nailed it i forgot i forgot to make coffee give me five minutes no problem yeah thank you for that good shit um also that star wars girl's ask you if it's my birthday no 6th of october three days from now however uh she's also sent me sent me this uh suddenly two pieces of fan art yay i love it i like that good stuff perfect for halloween neatism as well hell of glorms look at that poor fringy ends up with the cobweb is on his icon what can you do he looks unimpressed as well he's like why me like really is it because i'm green but yeah thank you so much for uh for both of these are awesome um for in october 6th i'm gonna i'm gonna stream amnesia the dark descent from start to finish ready for rebirth on 20th it's gonna be great and um i figure we'll do this because everyone's like oh what's the second heart take then so the second heart take is gonna be coming from fringy and um it'll be once we once we get through this video we'll probably do it and then we can start the next one all right so i got oh sorry sorry what's what's wrong you okay i i i i i got another manga's drawing from uh will be uh this time it's me and chelly you might be that mean guy you're crying as you try to put the credit card in the it's it's too slow or too fast like i could just pick to chelly try to try to just like wobble himself forward to you to try and stab you that's amazing i love it yeah wolfie 666 good shit um thank you all for the for the fan out it's fucking great uh but yeah let's kick on been the biggest move each of the past three years they've each received an ace cinema score meaning general audiences really liked them and the vast majority of film critics have given them positive reviews but the response from the most passionate set of fans has been extremely mixed and i don't think this is as simple as hardcore star wars fans being more demanding i think over the past 30 years several factors added up to change the way star wars fandom works do you see there's already holes in it yeah so that does that mean he set up like several times try to get this shot right or something i guess yeah i guess it was with it what do we want from a star wars movie on a pinboard first the canonization of the original trilogy turned the stories into a rigid set of rules then the expanded universe created an expectation of backstory plus it gave fans a timeline of events they would later be told to disregard the special editions and pre is this really easier than just saying the writing god shit mean the canonization of the original trilogy it does he mean to say that it's it's set in stone as a as an ip i don't know why you would say it that way though canonization it's the first star wars thing it it is like canonity requires some notion of like you know non-official material to go along with material that is recognized when there was just star wars a new hope what it is the canon i guess because there's nothing else weird to refer to it as the original trilogy get canonized it's like it never had to get canonized because it always was just the canon because it was the films yeah it's not the same process as for example someone writing a fan fiction and then lucas film buying it and then canonizing it if that would yeah it's weird weird way to say it but all right let's you know equals created the mindset that the fans knew better than the creators and of course there was a huge gap of time between episodes six and seven during which fans formed expectations for what they wanted to see over several decades did you really write new trilogy on a post it what is the point is he just does he want to come across as a crazy person for the beam i don't know he wants to poison the world it's star wars fans became star wars experts fandom became an achievement built on an accumulation of your he's really going a little too far but yeah even in the nerd circles it's not like all of you guys are like are you a star wars expert too no i don't know shit about star wars i think chill it's people can be fans of it without going to hyperspace just watching the movies is like yeah that was a bad movie a fan of star wars when i think there's two good films out of a lot of them yeah it's all it's a it's a love hate relationship yeah and these movies they waited their whole lives for were expected to be a reward something they had earned when we were what am i like watching a fucking psychologist like what is this you see the star wars fans felt they had earned the right to have good star wars movies okay we can't just be annoyed that we didn't get one all right that's way too simple we're younger and watching the original movies for the first time our priority with each success of film was just to find out what happened next but now a lot of fans are going into a new star wars movie with a checklist a list of like yeah now that i'm not a stupid kid i was going to say higher correct yes isn't he of the same set of people that say the empire got shot on by loads of critics when it came out and that if it came out today ryan johnson would have been equal to the amount of hate the director of that would have gotten but everyone loved empire that's my so he's saying like ah you see when the original trilogy came out we were all just like waiting waiting endlessly to just see what happens next we don't we don't talk to each other about like i hope empire is good or i hope empire does this or blah blah even though it didn't he earlier say the empire needed to do what the first one did and then also uh you know be what people expect from star wars but then also change some stuff um so that plus the fact that he's one of the people who says that uh empire would have gotten just as much hate as tlj if it came out these days so like it's not about and the critics did hella greeter's got a video where he looks like an old review of someone saying fucking empire sucks and it's like oh see see single one yeah well that's that's the thing empire wasn't hated it's just listen if i one's a good a sample size is any really yes um but then he's also gonna say that the attitude back then was just yeah fuck it let's just see what happens i don't really care if it's good or not i just want to see what happens um i'm sure that most people who go into a movie once enough it's good but maybe that's just me no man this is all come with the internet everyone's critical you see review is back then i wouldn't get really fresh or normal people like oh empire had a divisive reviews it's like but but it's like it's good though that's what i care about whether like blade runner got divisive reviews it's good the people who said it was bad were wrong same with the thing like it don't care the critics like he's a good film i don't fucking care i don't know what the point is well he's pointing out you because i think it's what the was talking about a little bit earlier like he's gonna be saying that this attitude has risen as star wars has evolved it's not something that was there before how is he meant to prove that though because we all i think he just wants us to accept that that's just the case when the ot came out like he's trying to die i've only been watching for like a minute and he's already trying to like ascertain the psychosis of like millions of people when they're coming into what star wars movie specifically there's no way that he can make any claims he's not even accounting for like the sheer amount of time that's passed properly i don't think like even between singular installments in this franchise or what have you like when people say that 80s music was great when they're doing that with 40 years of time to weed out all the shit yeah they they tend to view because we've done that everyone's like oh the older times were better it's like we're not considering all of the shit of the older stuff at the time usually so i will say these past few years have been amazing for media haven't they oh yeah even for empire then for return of the jedi then like on and on people would have had expectations and would have been going in with a checklist because when you go to see things that are from a franchise that yours that is established and that you may or may not be a fan of you expect certain things about it i mean otherwise you wouldn't yeah otherwise you wouldn't know what you're going in for you go and like if you went into a star wars film and again it turned into some murder mystery noir thing buddy cup film takes place in brooklyn yeah well i expected star wars this was the thing i could totally end up seeing myself be like man this is a really good story but what the fuck is it doing yeah exactly and that could like depending on i don't know your response to that that could lead to a negative reaction like this isn't star wars at all because you could be super let down or whatever despite like regardless of the actual quality so this is what i thought patry was gonna talk about i guess i was giving him too much credit i know the dimensions they want answered scenes they want to see and a strict set of rules the movie must adhere to based on a dogmatic interpretation of the original film so most it's it's dogmatic to assume luke cares about his family that would be dogmatic it's dogmatic to say you can't use hyperspace as a weapon because we'll fuck everything up yeah it's clearly using some terminology here that's very loaded uh well this is just him expressing his fucking hatred for like tlj anti fans who you want to call that like they just dogmatically don't want these new things to directly contradict the old things why is this video in black and white because he's an artist art yeah you don't understand you probably haven't even seen the lighthouse so the fan comments about the last jedi are the points where the movie does not connect to the trivia they've learned the trivia yeah like luke's characters this reminds me of fucking quit and be like uh you know will plot characters or fan stuff it's not what the movie is it's about how did it make you feel they don't like new force powers that we haven't seen before they don't like the speed at which rays skills grow because no it's not a new force power that it fucks with shit dude the speed at which rays fucking the strength grows like what you mean binary i love the idea that he thinks that she goes from like she's like progressing they're fucking off shit trading risks go she selectively deep dresses temporarily just to i never fuck it exactly how it happened for luke they don't like leia using the force because oh my god no luke has his ass kicked in the second movie anakin wasn't the same as luke anakin took way longer so how do you explain that we're not with how come everyone's not fucking raging about that again this this fucking video is a thinly veiled masquerade to defend this equal trilogy listen i'm gonna be objective about what do we want from star wars about it i'm gonna be objective but tlj is great all right i'm trying to mine this is objective like i've i checked this once five years ago i don't know it's like insane it was exactly the same how would you say that really do an objective analysis well you know what i want to do is because this was made before his tweet obviously about riser skywalker he said fuck jj abrams i want to put that on screen and then be like this is a fan who dogmatically clings to the past won't accept that things get changed you're a piece of shit i i just find it very frustrating that we're watching a video that's talking about movies where the vast majority of it is a person trying to figure out what millions of people secretly believe with no evidence and no qualification to do so he's nailed it you just you're just sad that he's got your number not three years ago they don't like snokes lack of backstory because it doesn't give them the explanations they want after a turn of the jedi i need some fucking answers my dude wanting explanations the sign of a dogmatic it's getting to the point of parody because if you're sitting down talking to him about the movie and you're like man it was so weird to like snoke we just got nothing on that wasn't it what do you think and he's like what you wanted an explanation and you're like yeah yeah you sort of owe it to like the original trilogy to explain what the fuck's going on and then he's gonna be like well you know he was in a he was in like a pod he was made by the emperor what but they don't like luke's characterization because that's not where he was last time we saw him and they really don't like the fin and rose subplot because it's about new characters in a new setting so it doesn't connect yes that is it it was new characters that's why everyone hated the prequels nobody liked how it brought us to different places with different people everyone hated that people wouldn't fucking stop bitching about indoor because it was a new place and there were new people there i just like that as well material he didn't even straw man there because straw man usually vaguely resembles the point you'd made it's like oh you don't like new people in new places you're like where the where did you even what he's just vanished you look him up and he's in like mexico fighting someone there just a single straw and he's like this is kind of like you connect to the lore of the original movies in any way what it seems like these fans want isn't a story it's a wookie pd no no we wish it connected to the lore in some way that's what we want is that what all this comes to the fucking argument where they're like oh molla wants a whole movie before the movie to explain everything that came before it's like i mean sure i'll take it i'll take that he's from a movie that explains why everybody forgot about the whole fucking things i feel like you could you could repair a lot of the sequel trilogy if you had a trilogy between it and the ot not that you want to i just mean no of course because it destroys itself but i mean especially for isca but i mean like if we just had tfa for example we could probably do a lot of repairing by making a story between fuck we could we could have imagine like crazy idea han leah and luke in the same room what do you think that's just fan stuff the article they want plot information and payoffs to reward their accumulation of trivia they want snoke to be darth plague no we just don't want it to contradict i don't fucking care if he's daft players or not i just wanted to make sense ours our our bar is so low yeah we don't we're not asking for a lot just we just wanted to make sense and not contradict stuff that just goes back to the question i would want to ask him specifically what does he want from a star wars movie um he still needs to he wants tlj bates he wants it filmed on a certain type of camera on real sets oh he wants it to challenge what star wars means disgusting guess a bit about knowing who darth plague is i have a theory that the rosetta stone for this whole thing the key to what many fans want from a new star wars movie is this no he's gonna do the thing he's gonna do the thing you want to see doff vader killing rebels that's what you want you not thought the rosetta stone is no i never heard of the rosetta stone was a old ass fucking tablet that had the same message written in three different languages like greek and then two different forms of egyptian i believe and it's what we used to to it's it's what led us translate old egyptian hieroglyphics and stuff and it was like um i think it would i think the message was it's been so long since i listened to the lectures but it was like um it was basically a guy writing this message about how great some somebody else was like like a pharaoh or some egyptian guy this dude's like man this dude's fucking great you're amazing and i mean we just happened to find it one day and we're like holy shit this is fucking useful as hell hey rags want to read a tweet oh right uh i was hoping that didn't uh movie bob tweeted out donald trump stole my summer my halloween my ability to enjoy life itself for four years and people who would later help him steal the presidency in the first place ruined my professional life and put me in a debt hole i'm still only barely back from for years fuck them all he should make a t-shirt that says donald trump stole my halloween what does that even mean donald trump is like the next super villain in a halloween movie the orange man he's like it in the shadows coming to get you stops diameter of his trump and on the set of halloween that's what it's all about you got like the torch and you're shy to get around he says wrong and slunges at you wrong my ability to enjoy life itself i want some follow-ups on this like how did he steal your summer like i think the coronavirus is what you do if you're is who you need to be blaming here trump is absorbing the sun he's mr birds when he's gonna fucking put up a big blocky i think the debt is a debt hole i think the debt's on you movie bob yeah let's make that cap new building take that in the white house oh fiddlesticks dude he's just he's blaming whatever he can blame because it's absolutely not movie bob's fault all right could help the tweet oh you know what yes good idea i don't even know how you come to that conclusion well i can tell you in three easy steps step one be movie bob there are no more steps the Darth Vader scene from the end of rogue one if you do what i did and search through comments on twitter or youtube from people who aren't fans of the last Jedi this scene all the most as the high 10 seconds sure um i mean yeah most people really like this scene but i don't have to argue it's strictly a i like seeing vader kill people i can argue other things like how much sense it makes yeah this is entirely in character for the rebels and Darth Vader and for just fucking everything involved makes a total nice look into the universe that we see that's got a new hope i think uh um that this scene is kind of like what you're gunning for right where it both makes sense and is something really cool that you know people will enjoy if you can now both of those i think is the perfection really good job of fan service that's like the best kind of fan service when you know it's here to make us happy but also it makes sense yeah because i'm pretty sure that's like gareth edwards said like someone just suggested they put this scene in it wasn't in the original script and they were like oh that's kind of a cool idea and they're like and it's easily like the fate like everyone's top pick for best disney moment in all of star wars from disney's era yeah it's the best scene i've ever made in these movies and the um the two arguments i think that this is kind of like the two takes you can have from it i remember i think i kind of if this is rlm's take it but some people feel it's like ah now you've ruined the mystique of vader we always knew he was uh you know this that and the other but showing this is too over it's like it's taking away what was so intimidating about him now he's just like a a psycho that did actually just rip people down but i just be like oh i just i kind of felt like this earns his fear like everybody's terrified of him because he's the horrifying monster that just tears people down and scores because he's incredibly yeah and i think it does actually work better if you see this scene after the ot rather than before it but it is i think it could wait both ways i don't know i think after you've got the knowledge of you know who he is so you're kind of in the same position as the rebels you know who he is but you're you're aware of what he can do but you've never had to see it firsthand and then the scene plays out i think it works really well also it's so it's so just gasm with the the the darkness and the small good that it's just the lightsaber it's like yeah it's good stuff but he obviously he's going to be like this is all the fans want like vader killing people i was like yes williams that's all we want that's it point of the new movies and you'll see people saying things like they should have given us the luke equivalent of the darth vader hallway scene but while a fun moment it's essentially it doesn't add anything to the story oh so that's it has nothing to the story that vader just massacres a series of rebels over trying to do something for the empire that adds nothing to the overall world of the story i'm gonna hard disagree on that one yeah our character it's like an hg remake of a playstation one game that thing you um nothing i like um what is an interesting comparison to jump weird flex i want what point is he making here i want to i want to know fucking knows what did he say a remake of a ps1 cutscene no i have a game like what i mean but he showing footage of a remake so he's definitely talking about like a remake not just a remaster well let's just let's see what he means already like what you expect but shinier while the original trilogy is totally different came i was going to say it's in plain and remaster is completely different what also there are plenty of people that's very different there are plenty of people who would say the luke vader fight scene in empire is better than the hallway scene right in terms of there are plenty of people who would argue like visually and story and their investment and the intimidation factor like this there's loads to talk about the idea that it's shinier i should be like what do you mean like the seat i don't know things just look i don't know so often treated as the perfect standard to which all new star wars must be held does not make sense actually that he because people don't like it when the original movies got the special effects added in and everything yeah wouldn't that be a shinier argument yeah exactly but nobody wants them to touch the original trilogy they like it as it is so it's not analogous at all that was a bad things to bring up also is this like brought that up earlier in his video before you arrived is this the answer to the question by the way what we want from star wars is the same but shinier let's tell chuck no because that's kind of what that's kind of what ruined the uh i mean from his perspective they wanted uh does that even make sense because a lot of people don't like what they did with the world and what they did with the world was just copy the ot he's going to ignore the counter information and he's the you can tell why he's doing this he's putting himself above these kinds of things like you guys just want the same shit and you want it to be all special action pack and stuff while i want challenge i want star wars to be redefined i want its structure to be challenged i want intellectual fucking content yeah i want you to fuck off oh my god i guess we're watching movies wrong oh it all comes back to this but shinier while the original trilogy is so often treated as the perfect standard to which all new star wars must be held that totally makes sense when the prequels are completely fucking different and they have like a legion of fans he even said the prequels like feel completely different but this is the standard everyone you've got to make it like maybe he's trying to account for the fact that force awakens did well but tlj didn't he's like you see it's because tfa is like a new hope and that's what fans want they share so many of the things people complain about in the new movies luke goes from a farm boy who's never left his home to a force using x-wing pilot who blows up the death star in about a day he could x-wing pilot in the beginning oh so it wasn't a day but hey and why was obi-wan kanobi the rebellion's only hope leah had never even met him what did she expect him to do the empire strikes back barely parents knew him yeah and he's a general did you not watch revenge of the city i know it's the least of i know oh by the way freaky he rated the the star wars movies revenge of the sith is his last it's the worst really even though it's absolutely the best of the prequels yeah absolutely but yeah she probably watched that again revenge of the sith directly explains how leah would know who obi-wan is like i don't so what was his uh listing then was it just that he said that that was because i'm curious now uh what was pretty cool at the bottom right okay i mean yeah yeah that's that's expected i feel like it makes sense to call on obi-wan when he was the one who trained and kind of almost killed dothvita previously like man it'd be pretty useful absolutely told her about yeah obi-wan kanobi remember they were technically in the same room together i mean it was obi-wan who brought i mean who had you know um what was his name bail organa yeah take uh take her to all the run bail organa answers the overall the series most of it is spent with characters either running away or hanging out on a swamp they hype up a legendary jedi warrior who turns out to be a silly muppet who steals hanging out what are we doing here he's not a silly muppet he's doing he's doing he's doing the thing where he says that the equals do what the prequels do uh not the prequels o t i just want to appreciate that he's not a silly muppet it's an act you asshole hannon leis he on the run for a couple days while luke appears to be training for weeks new forcibly i'm sorry yeah he is doing the thing where he's trying to twist around that um you know the timescale and also they weren't on the run for days they were hiding out in that cave for a while i was just gonna say the word seems is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence isn't it yeah as opposed to what we know about the uh this uh tlj where the the chase only lasts like a couple days at most we know that for sure abilities just appear through all the movies without us ever seeing the characters learning them the what yeah he's doing the thing so very the two examples he's got of powers that we've never seen before never been seen learn them one is the fucking electric power from the emperor which by the way i think we can accept that one of the most powered and feared and oldest force users has a power that others have not yet mastered like i think that's well more than fair to assume part of it is that by the time that we get up to the emperor how many people have we seen that know the force four people five five that's it we have five we have a sample size of five by the time we're in the sequel trilogy we have a sample size of the dozens of named characters and hundreds of jedi and he's using one of them suddenly has a new power it's weird and it's dark cytisms the implication being that you get a lot of power access from like pain and darkness and stuff so it's like yeah it makes sense that he's got a power that we've not seen from the others secondly uh force pull is not a new power stop saying it's a new power everyone who will fucking reviews these films in a sense of trying to rip on them in the same way that the sequels get ripped on like luke just pulls his power out of nowhere since when since when was force telekinesis is a thing and for some reason force choke it's separated out as just this no that's not force telekinesis that's a specific move in the force that chokes people's throats like what do you mean well if you read the eu it's this whole discipline where you choke someone using not telekinesis just force choke fuck off that's like taking a baseball bat and saying that hitting a window and hitting a wall are two different powers the implication was that he helped guide the rockets with the force that would be telekinesis again stop it first 40 minutes of return of the jedi have zero impact on the story or characters beyond just getting han back oh well that's kind of a big thank you guys that is not the problem with the first 40 minutes that all it does is get hard back so what do you mean all like what i mean really yeah but really all they really accomplish at the end of a new hope is blowing up the death star so really i mean you might just skip it honestly it's all they did can't believe you said all they did was get hard back what the fuck try to compare it to kanto bite as if like it's remotely comfortable desperate oh yeah rescuing han that's no big deal but kanto bite was very very impactful very very meaningful the star wars is essential that we had um oh we really really had to go to kanto bite han should have just rotted it i don't think he's i don't think he's comparing it to kanto but i think he's comparing it to whatever happened earlier on you crazy kanto bite yeah what i'm suggesting i think he brought that up as a slice a sly comparison like like you know there's all these problems with the ot but we we're ignoring them because uh you know we love the ot but but simultaneously he's bringing up points that can be stapled like new powers coming out of nowhere he you know what he's referencing with that right it's the fucking force telephone shit in in uh the new films or a b-plot that's totally pointless it's like like kanto bites like yeah but that's not first of all it's the a-plot but not but the the the fact that they save hard's life compared to doing fuck all in kanto bite like you can't i think that's what he's trying to get at in in a subtextual sense that's that's what i'm saying because because he wants to bring up the the the ot suffers from all the problems we bring up that are in the sequels and so then he's going to be like so why don't people hate them as much the problem is that what he's doing here is it's super dishonest um he's probably not even aware of it which animal well besides he doesn't even think these are actual problems because uh he doesn't consider these the things he's bringing up to be problems in the sequels he's just trying to point out a hypocrisy i think for the final of the entire war a lot of time is spent on wacky hijinks with ewoks the revelation that leia is luke's sister was clearly a late addition to the story and she's given no part um i would like to note though that um i like how he's trying to say well you know luke being leia's sister that was a late last minute thing it's like yep uh that is not as bad as you're important you're no one you're important you're no one no you're important you're captain's kid gotcha like that yeah at least when they say he's got a sister they stick with it yeah they don't give it up in fucking the next trilogy like no sister like figuratively closure with her father let alone a single scene which really lets down the promise of there is another also they couldn't think of anything more original than just another death star and by the way there is a lot okay so well i i don't even know if we're supposed to be addressing me so this will whether or not you want to criticize it from like a broad meta storytelling standpoint like should we really have another death star like it makes total fucking sense that the emperor would want to make another death star after what just happened in episode four yep this was being used to essentially hold the entire galaxy hostage and then they blew it up it's like fuck can we make another one like if we can we can get back what we just lost so narratively it all flows like wouldn't it be funny a war movie another another what's it called they blew up yeah they blew up yeah they blew up one of our tanks i guess we're never gonna make one again well this is like really not very good if we're one thing uh fight with that i guess is the at that point wouldn't uh because i remember there was something of a disagreement like okay do we want this big death star thing or more star destroyers right well i feel like they've clearly got goes good they've clearly got star destroyers like a lot of them i mean more can't hurt no but it's not gonna be the same really big play not the same as a death star we don't need to blow up a planet but having the power to blow up a planet is what's keeping the galaxy hostage it's it's also what's what incites them against them to an extent well that's done yeah we're talking that's done that's happened that's episode four we're talking about episode six like why would they have done this like well the toothpaste is out of the toothpaste holder right the point being is like the whole world's like wow you guys are fucking assholes and it's like oh you don't have your giant laser hmm it's like no no no no get it back up get it back up i can see that and like yeah it does make sense i'm just saying it is worth considering still that you know a fuckload of star destroyers does a similar thing without putting as many eggs in the same bar in the same basket people will still people will react differently to the idea of being subjugated by the empire when they arrive with star destroyers and the idea of their entire planet being destroyed constantly at risk because that thing can shoot them yeah always just jumping yeah fair i think it makes enough sense but i understand the criticism of being like i don't want to see them destroy another death star lame just like okay that's not even where i was trying no i know i know yeah plus they even used the fact that this would draw out the rebels to as part of the plan in episode six i'm not saying running it back is necessarily wrong i just think perhaps they could have considered why don't we just go for more star destroyers after that considering the giant weakness that thing had who'd say this well wouldn't make no sense to just remake it without the weakness assuming such a thing is possible yeah well as family guy put out just put planks of wood over the cover you feel like that'll be better than that play with space plywood space stucco as for the other one though the the disappointment of there is another it's like but there is another is more so i thought to give us a sense that oh shit obi one and yoda haven't actually put all of their investment in luke if luke was to die it's not over for them so we and quite a perfect thing to put right before luke's about to be killed by vader potentially i just i just i think it works for you know dramatizing the stakes i don't i don't know that it was necessary to have that fleshed out that option sure so i don't yeah it was just it's just a different story at that point rather than a you know a loss a lot of silly comedy through all these movies yeah but these are really funny yeah that puppet hitting that puppet is it was it is that legitimately fucking funny yeah these movies are on the intercom in the prison room is fucking gold yeah everything loves that right now how are you how are you things fine things are fine how are you and yoda just scuttled through all of his stuff picking out the light smiling at it and that r2d2 tries to take it off and he's like fuck off fucking funny this is the thing it's not like this well tfa had a joke or two that landed tlj was miserable and then rise the skywalk uh rise the skywalk did that make us i think i laughed it was one of c3po's moments i think i oh oh yeah c3po made me laugh like three times c3po's great so you know he's the best part of that movie i don't ironically the best part of the rise of skywalker but i would say because again i feel like he's saying this to try and account for the fact that the criticism is they made a yo mama joke patrick that's very different okay no that would totally stall the empire is but you see yo mama it all comes under the category of a funny joke silly joke see there were silly jokes before look how something fell on hawn's head that's silly too i got a question real quick at this still right here where we're looking at the window is this the remastered where they have the slave one out in the window or was that in the original it looks like a map patent so i'd assume it's in there well at least you're still in one piece look what happened to me last week pablo hidalgo from the lucas film story group hosted this tweet oh why yellow why yellow i often think how lucky we are that the best stuff came out when we were the most impressionable you do get that everybody was of a different age yeah is he trying to say that we uh because we were so impressionable we think that things were really better than they were so we we like to think that the best things came out when we were the most impressionable you know well i mean one way to read this is it's really good that when you're young you were exposed to a lot of good content maybe very high maybe i agree with this statement maybe i agree that even though i was a child meaning i could be satisfied by a lot of shitty things it turned out the stuff i was actually being provided be it classic simpsons you know the alien predator and terminator franchises star wars fucking all these different things like it's like oh lucky i did like Jurassic park yeah these things were actually good as well as me being impressionable it's like yeah maybe i agree with them now it's shit and we're not impressionable i don't think about it's very important that all of us you know we got to remember that maybe the stuff we saw when we were very very young that left an impression on us maybe it wasn't actually as good as we remember so okay we're fast approaching the hot takes so oh yeah we did life advice we should all keep you know we've done the clear walls one for you which means you'll be up next because the third hot take will be later all right and yes i will still hold to why yellow yeah i don't don't if you're like all of you people out there want to make videos fucking don't just don't piss cow all over gray black a dark blue darker something not yellow just don't how lucky we were that the best stuff came out when we were the most impressionable and honestly i could have just made this video a 15 minute screenshot of that tweet now you can know no i guess because we would have yeah there are multiple interpretations of what he's saying and what he's referring to and why he is and his explanation for it yeah because plenty of people uh whatever yeah that because it kind of says it all so the fans who hate the last jedi who say it's a bad star wars movie that it ruins the series i'm not saying they're watching movies wrong there's no wrong yeah it was are you retconning your own lore here oh he's it's a classic wrong way to watch a movie well okay you could watch it while texting the theater that's wrong but it's not that these people are watching movies wrong it's that in these movies they're looking for something they can't get they're looking for something they can't get we can get good one is a good story that's really all you see you want the ot you can't get it it's locked away in the past what he was saying actually had anything to do with expectations for star wars then maybe but it doesn't they want to give them the experience of being eight years old sitting on their living room couch and wearing out their vhs tank well this is great because crash bandicoot 4 came out like two days ago and playing it was like it was it was great it felt like you know being a kid again just playing like crash 2 back in the late 90s and it's it's funny right it's like well you're chasing a feeling that can't happen again it's like well i mean it's not just like that game there are a lot of things that have had have done that all it needs to be is good that's it that's really all i need well yeah this dichotomy is flying all over the place here like as if you can what how does he explain tfa when his whole argument was how that's what it did and it was successful like like they get it they're chasing something they can't get it's like you said the tfa gave them it so i don't know best tapes of the original movies for many people star wars is less a movie than a feeling a feeling that new movies seen as an adult can't possibly recreate what about tfa you said that that's what it did yeah you already said that's what it did it felt like star wars it had the feel unless you get a time machine and go forward to the year 2020 or later and buy the new trilogy on blu-ray then transfer the movies over to vhs tapes then hop back in the time machine and travel back to the mid 90s or whenever you were a kid and give them to yourself strip away the anticipation and expectations and the need for backstory and rules until they're not new star wars movies they're you fucking kidding me right you think people would have been happy with them back then i have no idea what my stupid kid brain would say back then and this is the biggest conjecture of the what if game that i've seen dude i'm almost certain my kid brain would have been really fucking annoyed with what they did with luke yeah i mean i i probably wouldn't have liked it either no wait isn't isn't he saying that you show this to yourself before you watch dot i think what he's saying is that as a kid you would like it it would give you the same he's suggesting that back then we didn't have restrictions we would have just accepted it it would have just it would just jump get because he had the whole sequence of uh the problems of the ot implying that if we were to be treating the ot the same way that we treat the sequels we wouldn't like them either kind of but obviously the ot benefits from having been watched when we were super young which if we did that with the sequels we would convert them to vhs and watch them when we were kids we would have liked them it's like mm even if which i don't even think is true but even if it were true what is what does that mean that like we wouldn't be able to look back and be equally as critical because we've done that with the ot i think that my i think that my very very young kid brain would have liked tfa but hated the last Jedi so that's uh that thought let's uh carry on they're just star wars now most of what i've been wait was that supposed to do we skip no no that's that's are we done is that the way that was it are we gonna address the question now well i think that's his answer do we miss something what you what you want from a star wars movie is the originals you can't have that yeah yeah i can watch the originals well you can't have that from a new movie even though he already said in this video that tfa was that so i'm interested that he's not addressing that at most juvenile understanding of franchise expectations have ever seen no he's right he's totally right that's it okay never mind sorry anticipation and expectations and the need for backstory and rules until they're not new star wars movies they're just star wars now most so if we got luke from tlj and then the ot came out as the prequels i don't think and i would wonder what the fuck happened it didn't it's not that it needs to be watched before after the ot it just needs to be watched when around the same time you watch the ot as a kid as he's trying to argue that anything you saw back then got a free access pass into your brain as good content no no i know i know i know there were things i hated as a kid like i don't know what you mean asparagus yum so what i've been talking about really just applies to a certain section like i all right i okay let's be fair asparagus is fine it's okay but i think that i think brussel sprouts i think they get a bad rap and i don't think that it's deserved i don't like them i think well-seasoned and grilled brussel sprouts i think they're legit delicious and i like them quite a bit and i i like them it tastes like death you taste like that new yeah it's they're good shit brussel sprouts are some good shit i i legitimately enjoy them quite a bit i should buy some that's actually a good idea thanks rags it tastes like yeah they slice them in half and they they season them a bit and then they put them in a pan and grill them up and man it's good stuff it tastes like death but snotty too they really don't snotty you sprouts you might have cooked them wrong snotty old death of star wars and just because they've learned the most trivia about the lore doesn't make their opinions more valid or more important it's not like that's the thing we can't do this we can't do this hello greedo maneuver where we're like oh yeah the hyperspace kamikaze is just a nitpick it's just trivial once they classify every single fucking thought you have about it as trivia they could make you trivial yeah basically this is just the outgrowth of label and dismiss there's no argument it was just funny because if you coordinate off every single thing we talk about as trivial it's like what are you left with like um that spaceship in the distance over there uh that planet that we don't know the name of all right because we've lost everything else is a popular thing in the world and it means so many different things to so many different people to the kids who grew up with the prequels and clone wars cartoon the recent converts won over by the new emphasis on strong female protagonists the recent convicts won over what's happening oh my god the fringlings both from will be again they destroy your halloween what is this trub bringing you see on this jay was ejected for no reason jay you sleeping by the way nice for reference j um j told me that he normally goes to sleep around two hours before efap was supposed to be starting so the genius plan is to go to sleep for two wake up for efap go through all of it and then go back to sleep i don't think it worked so i'm gonna someone posted this in my discord in the memes i thought it was very funny the movie's like a stupid gozel movies we like a stupid yes and diversity the old people who have been around for this entire thing since it started in the seventies and my group may be the biggest or at least the most vocal the ones born between 1980 and 1992 the ones too young to see the original trilogy in theaters who grew up with them on vhs so what do we want from a star wars movie please tell us i think that's a question worth asking ourselves as a fucking worthless youtuber i swear the only productive thing that some people are is a bad example do we want from the start maybe we should think about that who knows maybe we're fucking around for the last 17 minutes we could have gotten an answer hey right he had to give all of that what the fuck was the point of that history lesson seriously it was like the weakest and quickest vast to star wars trivia and lore as there is to learn about the reason we all fell in love with it in the first place is the story star wars is a what else would there be the characters the spectacle you might say all of it of course we fell in love with the story you told me that people didn't like the prequel trilogy because of primarily audiovisual things that's true he also said the characters were not relatable whatever yeah above all else a big sprawling ongoing story and like it or not that story is going to keep on going and if it's going unless it doesn't make money it's gonna keep going until it doesn't make as much green also he says this is if he needs to be his future self who's seen rise of skywalkers it's gonna keep going whether you like it or not he's like patrick seriously it's not good it gets really bad patrick if i could make a time machine after i've seen the rise of skywalker take it give it to my get my time machine go back give it to myself before i made this video would i make this video no because i like it because that's because i have no self-awareness i have a self-awareness of a bag of gravel he becomes the very thing he wants to destroy as soon as he sees his rise of skywalker it's funny to see pre-rides of skywalker patrick because he's so on the top of the world he's like i get it i get star wars the new one comes out he's like fuck you star wars you got it all wrong this new direction of star wars will keep going on and it's amazing and i get it then suddenly his halloween was stolen by trump 2019 going to be meaningful continue to entertain new generations it can't just feed us nostalgia it can't just recycle elements from the movies we grew up with it needs to surprise us it needs to what's this shitty like tearing it to fire like ripoff version what is this what's happening it's so funny he treats it like this big revelation of this coming together moment it's so warm and fun it's like we did it guys that arduous 17 minutes we just got through we've done it grow to show us new sights and characters and stories we haven't seen before tfa a great example of a story we've not seen before yeah never seen a well-destroying thing before never seen new hope but shit so how about that because they destroy five of the ones oh my god because six would be too many never be insane i loved the last jedi was that it gave me what i wanted but also what i didn't know i wanted it took the elements that i know what the translation for patrick rowe he decided after the fact that it was good and he had to justify that it was good and amazing he knew i think a lot of these people know that they were not allowed to not like this well tlj one of those movies i i reckon he's fully on the tlj train he always seemed like the fact that he said fuck you to to a director which is something that he's like argued against i think he is now like and at the time of this he is but i think he almost had to like will himself into that position fair enough but i liked what pushed the story forward into unexpected new territory and it created countless possibilities for future new stories what do you mean tlj is the most closed off ending you'll ever get do you follow that yeah the first order rules the galaxy the good guys are 20 dudes on a ship it's like oh you have so much potential like what are you talking about in this world and i think that's the key it's not that we're supposed to let the past die it's that we need to accept that there's a future as well what's happening don't just let the past die remember there's a future as well okay that's not what this video is yeah this it feels this ending is more equipped for like an hour long video it's like we just rushed through some stuff and he's like now for my triumphant ending like what what after saying fucking nothing for 17 minutes time for my incredible ending a future with a hell of a lot of star wars in it and it's going to be a lot of different things we'll like some we might not like some others but every one of these movies is going to be somebody's favorite i don't like sand it's course i mean it's better than the sequels just yeah this line is absolutely better than the sequels easily not even close this this line makes sense for him to say compare it to nights of red ghouls i don't even look they don't know which way he's up i want the night of red at the end to turn around go huh what did you just say and he goes why'd you say that oh he said cool nights of red cool well imagine owning it you'd be like i said ghouls he's like what do you mean ghouls what are you saying that we're ghouls he's like i don't really know he was just in this weird and you never say anything up till now and you have all these masks all the time and he disappeared in the last movie where were you we were searching for hexagall rough and irritating and it gets everywhere so beautiful that's it oh oh we're getting like an ad a few minutes ago as we have an avengers style stinger hey guys thank you so much for watching this topic has been on my mind for like six months now so it felt good to finally take some time you didn't do anything with this topic you just said everyone wants the ot that's what everyone fucking says when they casually talk about this you just sat on a couch with your fucking modem on the floor and didn't say anything you went to the woods he made it seem like this huge arduous fucking task to discover the truth that is everyone really likes the ot i guess they just want to repeat of the ot there you go that's my thesis this is just going to be an incredible ownership now and patreon i'm in dig now while you were watching this video i'm sure there was one big question that was on your mind which is what kind of grooming products does he use yeah and why would he bring that up don't why terrible segue i'm 95 percent of shaving equipment is identical to one another and it works perfectly he has mr buds his hair almost isn't not a lot of it i'm telling you guys if you if you just start if this happens to you just take it off man 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all the context you want and take the lead but chat okay you're in for an adventure so um so uh when after i think while i was watching buffy and angel with mollo part of the part of the the idea was like all right you show me one of the shows that you think is good i'll show you one of the shows that i think is good um and the show that are that i elected to get mollo to watch was bojack horseman prior to watching bojack horseman again over the last couple of weeks my perspective on the show was that it was really good like i had quite a favorable view of that show um i'd i hadn't rewatched um any of the seasons past season three and i think season three came out like in 2016 so it'd have been a while since i'd like properly rewatched them but i had seen them all and i had a really favorable view so so we started watching bojack horseman um and we sort of kept going and going and um by season three uh i was starting to get very frustrated with the show and so after all of that we get to the end and my perspective on bojack horseman is not only is it not a good show it's actually bad um oh god it was quite an adventure do we want do we want to like run through the so out of the problem is like i feel like talking about the comedy is something that we need to come to later i think i think the fundamental thing to address so when you watch bojack horseman from beginning to end like if you watch all of the seasons back to back one of the things that you will notice about that show is that it has a very rigid formula that it follows and that it goes through every like repeatedly so the big you know broader formula for this show is if you break it down by each of the seasons excluding season six but only to a certain extent episode one is like this is what this season will be about and then episodes two through usually about eight or nine are largely unimportant and nothing particularly important happens when it comes to the main bojack story then my episode nine to ten things will usually get a little bit more you know important episode 11 in every single season like the penultimate episode of every season is like the dark episode the drama episode and without fail it's usually the best episode of the season but again like to say that those episodes would be good is like the only the only one that i think is good is the view from halfway down the second last episode of the entire show but every single season does that and then season 12 usually brings it right back down or right back into comedy we rarely like address all of the important stuff that happened in the episode before and then we sort of have our lead in into the next season and that is the formula every single season and once you start to notice it it kind of becomes impossible to ignore the only time that it changes it isn't season six because that one has more episodes but you could you could argue that the formula is the same just extended and between those drama moments which let's get real guys that was the stuff that people are interested in people are i would like to believe that people weren't watching the show for the comedy because i i don't think i ever was but my view that we'll get to the coming later but one of the things that you notice when you rewatch the show is that the ratio of drama to comedy is it's like 90 percent comedy 10 percent drama um and the drama was like what i thought i liked about the show and i thought that there was more of it and there isn't there's really not it's mostly just jokes and most of the jokes are not that great um damn like i feel i feel like and and and the drama is like even deficient it becomes more deficient as it goes on like starting up with season one and two the drama for vojak is like working it's fine if not a lot of it but then the more that it continues to go it starts to break down because they keep adding they keep adding on new things while ignoring the things that they had already set up and to right at the very end when it all just gets heaped on in a very contrived way and then when it comes to every other character we uh we we don't have a lot at all princess carolin would probably be like the second most developed character and even then there's a lot of stuff that we skip over there's a lot of content that we just don't we it feels like there are a lot of scenes that are missing and then when it comes to the last through which is diane mr peanut butter and uh and and todd mr peanut butter and todd could almost be excluded from the show and very little would change i mean obviously a lot would change in terms of like the relationships with the other characters but the things that they've got going on is so minimal that it honestly feels that the further we get into the show the less they know what they want to do with them um todd basically exists to go on these crazy wacky adventures that um that are totally unrelated to the main plot um mr peanut butter is usually just like um look at me i'm i'm a stupid doggo go um and i'm gonna cause shenanigans and then diane who i think by the end of the season has been completely obliterated uh the end of the show completely obliterated basically um it's it's the same situation as britta except she is meant to be taken very seriously and is basically places herself on a very high pedestal the show forgets that she wrote a best-selling book many times so yeah really all you've got is uh bojack who is without a doubt the best character in the show mainly because he has things going on but even then um his parents are cartoonishly evil um there's a line when um bojack he smokes a cigarette because he's a kid um and he smokes it and then his mom walks in and tells him to keep smoking it and he asks is this because i stole the cigarette she said no it's because you're alive like how can you listen to a line like that and take that seriously it's so constantly evil and then there's a scene where bojack's dad gets caught having an affair and so he gives bojack alcohol to knock him out and bojack is like seven or eight years old and when he's driving home he's like yeah you probably don't want to tell your mom about any of this do you and this is meant to be like really dramatic moments um and so oh and um and a lot of a lot of the ideas that uh that they have for bojack uh that you realize that's in character for beach i'm sorry it's it's it's cartoonishly evil and this is a show where it's meant to have the serious stakes and in terms of like Beatrice as well i think that's an opportunity that was thoroughly undermined um because like we have our episode where we find out that the reason why Beatrice is cartoonishly evil is because her mom had a nervous breakdown and then when she got all lobotomy she told her point blank um don't love anybody otherwise you'll you know you'll end up like me and have part of your brain cut out that's effectively what we got it's set there there is no subtext it's all text in this entire show it's all text there's never any double meaning to any of the any of the sentences people always say what they mean people always say what they mean in the show um it is it is it's it's astounding how many scenes there are where the characters just outright blurt out exactly what they mean and then the piano music kicks in as they talk about like you know you know like you have a scene where it's comedy and then all of a sudden um bojack will be like i don't i don't know how to i don't know how to you know love i i don't know how to feel happy you know i i just i just wish that i could feel happy but i i can't and or then you have a scene with princess carolyn where it's like i don't know i i'm really good at my job but um but i want to have a kid and i i don't know it's it's very confusing but but you know that you have scenes like that and then you have the same with basically all of the characters in the show um the one of the things that you notice when you watch the show through again is that the ideas that they have are fine if not you know potentially good um specifically for bojack i'm talking about bojack now specifically um you have a lot of ideas that could work the idea of you know a washed up actor who has a whole bunch of money um and uh but yet is miserable and can't figure out why i mean that's a great idea but but we we we skip over so much content we get so little of like the really cool ideas we only get like a few episodes with herb when that could have been a whole season we only get a few episodes with serolyn when that could have been a whole season we only get a few episodes with Beatrice when that could be a whole season and then you know we we have things where we totally skip over content that we have so for instance um herb only gets one episode and then he dies and not only and this character had cancer but he gets over the cancer and dies because it crashes into a truck that's filled with um peanuts and he's allergic to peanuts and he was tweeting oh no i'm allergic to peanuts when he crashed into it apparently that was what was said at the funeral and then um and then we don't have much with him at all after that serolyn has this whole big episode about two minutes before she dies we finally get some information on what is actually going on in her mind and then she dies and then the next episode jumps immediately into this completely contrived sequence where oh no character actress margot martindale has caused a blimp that has the secretariat poster to have a blinding glare that causes two ships to crash into each other oh no wait no the the ships crash they've got a bunch of spaghetti the secretariat poster which is a mirror shoots a bunch of light onto the spaghetti oh no the spaghetti is cooking now it's going to sink and crush the the ocean town if only there was somebody who had a bunch of spaghetti strainers and if only there was um somebody who had created this really elaborate uber type business that could deliver these spaghetti strainers to the ocean to save this city ho ho funny funny meanwhile this has come up to the up to this point the most dramatic moment throughout the entire show like people keep saying to be fair these things are supposed to be jokes that's friggy's point that's the point like you have the you have what arguably one of the most significant people in bojack's life die in a very in a very bad way and the episode which follows only gives us about two to three minutes of bojack we don't see him immediately on the aftermath we don't see the funeral we don't really see how he's dealing with it at all but then three seasons later it comes back in a really significant way and and and also the way that it comes back um doesn't make sense because the the whole story builds up to this realization that bojack lied about the circumstances of serraline's death but there's no way that that couldn't have been the case because bojack went on a month long bender with her pictures were taken of him he showed up in several different locations but the show acts like nobody could connect the dots he's a super famous golden globe winning movie star it's insane yeah he almost got the oscar accepts funny shenanigans oh yeah that's right he almost won the oscar accepted um mr peanut butter lost the cudd that had the uh the nominees for best actor and so they go on this massive adventure and apparently he just makes up the list of nominees as though the oscars don't actually have uh a list of um a list of their predetermined nominees as if they don't have more than one cut it's free literally complaining about how slice of life shows are structured i'm sorry my dude if you have an episode where the most significant character um my problem is fringies claim that it's objectively bad when all of his criticisms are subjective how is it subjective that it is a bizarre tone shift to have the most significant character in a person's life die only to immediately jump into this insane contrived joke scenario and spend no time on what that character like talk about wasting your drama and that that is like the that is the the most disappointing thing uh coming into the show again which is how much of the drama was wasted there were so many opportunities where they could have done more they could have expanded upon it more um but then but then we get nothing it's just it's just uh it's just completely swept under the rug there is a cosmic amount of plot holes if uh if people really want us to go to those but might want to bring up the um the two episodes uh which which ones we're talking about oh oh uh so there are two episodes there are these two episodes that are astoundingly bad um the and and it is it is definitely a result of the fact that the show's main method of relaying information to you is that characters say exactly what they mean all of the time and there's never any subtext it's a big formula for the jokes which we'll get to later but these two episodes are there's a gun control episode and an episode called Bojack the feminist yeah so in the gun control episode the main thesis is that America hates women more than it loves guns and hence they ban all the guns because it makes women feel safe for having them that is like the point of that episode the go go watch it guys people love Bojack Horseman really watch that fucking episode it's it's if Wibbit get guns men will be afraid of them and thus old white-bedded power will ban guns as a whole to prevent women from having them to feel safer and the ending conclusion that you could say this is entirely played for jokes it's not it's not any kind of commentary whatsoever is America hates Wibbit more than it loves guns it's like okay yeah that that that is literal dialogue by the way that's not like something that we we've invented or yeah because that is the line of dialogue in the show the so that I've only seen one episode of Bojack and that was the episode I saw I have no feelings toward the show either way but I did get shown this episode and it is probably one of the worst television episodes of anything that I have ever seen it was like I wanted to bail on it I didn't want to finish it I didn't laugh at anything it was super cringy the message was so stupid and on the nose I mean everything was just blatant and in your face yeah because when you watch the episode they have these like I don't know what they're called it's I think it's called vox pops in media you know where you talk to regular people to get their opinion you have a bunch of characters who are men who are like yeah vox pops I think that's what they yeah yeah but that I think that's what the segment's called vox pops like for for news media when they do it and it's basically a bunch of guys just saying these insanely caricatured points they have no intention of presenting a level-headed episode on this topic where everybody you know where they're actually trying to represent both perspectives on the issue and address it it is just um it just feels like a lecture and whether or not you agree with you know the thesis of the episode whether or not more gun control is necessary or less whether or not you agree with it I think if you would watch it you would be it it's astounding and then you know that's the same issue with the episode in the next season bojack the feminist god like that episode was really significant for the plot as well but um but the whole point of the episode is there's this actor who five years ago had done some bad thing you know sexual assault or something like that he's making a comeback and Diane is really pissed off about it because it's the idea of like why does he get to come back and continue to have a career so she gets ambushed in um in this car by a character called Anna Spana Kopter who was like Bojax um she was helping him try to get the Oscar and now she's trying to help this particular actor have his career back and um and then she asks Bojack uh no she asked Diane a question along the lines of what was what is he like he's done the bad thing what is he supposed to do now like what what does he do is he you know akin to the question of is he supposed to like die is he supposed to never be able to work again what is he supposed to do she doesn't answer that question and the question is never answered even though it's a really valid question to ask um what what were the other problems because that episode had a lot of problems um specifically the feminist one where yeah Bojack the feminist that episode um didn't you show a few uh there was a scene you actually wanted to re-replace yeah um there was a scene at the end of the episode where um so Bojack is on a show called Filbert and the whole idea with Filbert is that it's meant to be like a um it's meant to be this subversive show um and so he shows Diane the Bojack shows Diane the script and um and she says that it's it's sexist um because it was like masquerading as a commentary on these sexist tropes but also committing them and then I think there's a line where um where because Bojack is trying to be like a super feminist you know to improve his image he's doing it very cynically um and then um I think Diane says um this isn't a hobby for me being a woman isn't a hobby for uh for me and then she says something along the lines of you know you or some guy being able to come along and pretend to be and play Joss Whedon and then you know go basically the point being Joss Whedon only comes in to play pretend feminist and then go back to being a piece of shit that was like the point that they were trying to make which of course is funny when having watched Buffy and Angel those shows have some of the best female characters in like any media ever and Joss Whedon wrote it it and the show does it a lot where they they criticize other shows for doing things and it's like man glass houses it really uh um Bojack is objectively great one of the best comedies I've seen all right can we talk let's talk about the comedy Bojack Horseman has a fair way tell them tell them how many times I laughed in the totality of the six seasons I don't think you laughed at all which is pretty fucking funny isn't it I wanted I didn't even want to finish the one episode of mine it was just so shockingly unfunny for reference I laughed four times in the newest episode of The Simpsons that I watched as an experiment well yeah because I mean it for example you get more laughs in like 50 seconds of classic simpsons than we got in because I think I didn't I didn't laugh more than five times we're watching it um they make the same jokes again and again and again it's fucking nuts that's uh that's kind of that's that's the thing that uh becomes apparent and you know interestingly enough right before I recommended the show to you Mola I think I even mentioned that I didn't think the comedy was the show's strong suit but like my god pretty much you get again um I so the jokes tend to fall into one of three or four categories one of the most common jokes is a Freudian slip where a character accidentally just says what they actually think you know it'll be like are you nervous no what I'm not nervous I'm not nervous that this could all secretly go wrong and reveal my deep seated uh insecurities definitely not that that is a very common joke in the show um at least once in episode I would almost wager you will see a joke that is like that um yeah it's basically just a character saying what they mean but pretending like it's not Freudian slip that's joke number one uh number three I'm doing the one sec one sec one sec maniacal farada I'm gonna read this is directed for me but I'd happily have you answer it friggy Mola what do you like about Joss Whedon all of his characters are exactly the same why is cracking smoke at 30 they're not the same I'm finished by the show no they're not how could oh yeah Angel and Fred identical nothing about them well I mean because Angel and Spike because Theo see that like those those two they're they're practically the same right yeah Giles and Cordelia practically the same they're Buffy and Willow are identical I'm sorry to interrupt I just it's the thing a lot of people say to me is like his characters are all the same I'm like I don't understand that one they're not the same but but yeah so uh what was I I was doing the Biden thing so Freudian slips number one number two um another one of the very common jokes in this show is extremely long sentences like the joke is that a character is saying something really long for instance one of the shows and this is a joke that gets done several times um they get the guy who wrote Catcher and the Ride to make a TV show um and the joke for the TV show is that the name of the show is Hollywood stars and celebrities what do they know do they know things let's find out that's the joke it's a long sentence um Bojack has a sister and her name is Holly Hawk and then she has eight names afterwards because she has eight dads and so the joke is that her name is really hard to remember in fact I think the first episode where um where she jumps in um they repeat that joke several times where it's just like oh my name is Holly Hawk something something something something oh and also there's um there's a conglomerate that's called like Time Warner Pepsi Toyota Trader Joe something something it's like 10 different companies merge together and that's the joke and then they do that joke over and and you know you can be like oh the joke is that it's it's a conglomerate it's like okay I mean there's not much there's not much depth to a joke like that is it look big conglomerate isn't this insane and then you do it like seven or eight times again you know what I mean like um so yeah really long jokes another one of the common jokes is either rhymes or alliteration um so like and this is mainly a princess carolin thing where the joke is that it's a very it's a very long sentence again but it's either alliterated or it rhymes or there's some other frenetic thing and that's the joke um and then I think the fourth last major type of joke in this is a pun this show is riddled with puns the amount of puns in this show is unbelievable and usually all it is is um is just an animal name substituted for like you know a person um what manatee fair was one of them uh god I'm just uh I think it was uh maggot jillian hall is another one you know for yeah basically you're just substituting a name that sounds kind of similar um to you know an animal and of course like you look at that and you might think that that's clever like oh look they're finding names that rhyme but I don't think you realize how like easy it is to come up with these types of puns um the obvious I I think um I think uh one of the the times where it became really apparent was um Bojack was in this episode where he was arguing with someone from the uh the LA Gazette and um I think I just op-handedly said oh I didn't call it the LA Gazelle and when I did that I was like oh is that how easy it is to come up with puns just as long as you have a vocabulary that's broad enough you you'll be able to just make puns and remember puns are not like like puns are not exactly like the highest form of comedy to start off with so when puns are like they're great unless they're right yeah well I uh what was it it was a joke from Archie where it was like puns in the lowest form of comedy I'm not sure if I want to commit to that position seal McBeal the Navy seal yeah that's another one um and it's it's not that great when it's just happening all the time and again you compare it to you know I've been I've been rewatching a lot of old Simpsons episodes just think about like how clever the joke is that is um the you didn't like the oh yeah the Halloween store that's in January that was the joke oh damn it uh oh yeah so um you guys remember the episode of the Simpsons where Bart is like he's just come out of church and he needs to cause some havoc because he spent a long time in a Sunday school and then he sees Willie uh doing doing a thing for Scotch toberfest he goes up ties a bunch of balloons to his kilts and it lifts his kilts up a woman fades when he sees his slog and Willie's like there's no shit he'd be upset about what God gave you and then Bart just sort of is like oh yeah there we go that's the stuff and then a bunch of like FBI agents pop out of the trees and like the the bird water fountain and then Smith uh no Skinner walks up and is like you just earned three months of detention there's no such thing as Scotch toberfest and Willie's like there's not yeah you used me Skinner yeah you used me it's like how many jokes have we got there it's joke after joke after joke shotgun one after another each of them is funny and each of them has several layers of comedy the fact that the fact that Willie the Scotsman doesn't realize that there's such a thing as Scotch toberfest the fact that Skinner looks like sad at the fact that he's angry at him and it and then you know obviously you got other examples like the fact that Homer had to do a a um a mock meltdown scenario and actually caused a literal meltdown and then Mr. Burns runs to an escape pod that has two seats and locks Smithers out and he says he likes to put his feet up the escape pod shoots out and fails immediately and rolls down the hill and then Homer crawls out and his radioactive monster must destroy world oh lunchtime and then just goes back to normal and then to top it off the guys like I don't even know how he caused the nuclear meltdown there wasn't any nuclear material in the truck Molly you showed me that episode yeah um I think a long time ago I think you showed me that one and that was funny classic Simpsons man it's uh that's what I mean is like in three minutes of Simpsons we've got not only more common well not what uh we not only have a higher quality tier of jokes um but several of them one after another and when you watch that and then you go to bojack where the jokes never ascend beyond a really long run on sense and so have we talked about how it's like let's address the elephant in the room and then it pans out and there's an elephant that goes you talking about me and they go no you're well you said elephant like we're not talking about you like wow okay wow yeah he's doing that whole thing that joke then you have um you all behave you all behave like vultures and then it pans over and there's two vultures that go do you think he was talking about us you go no I think he was talking about everyone else there was another one where it's like agents like lemmings and there are a table of lemmings sitting next to them who get into they do this joke over and over and over and over and over and it's never fucking clever good job you have animals in you oh shit I've just remembered oh we haven't talked about that yeah we haven't talked so um so in the bojack universe humans and animals are all basically humans and live together um uh and um there's an episode where okay so yeah so what you need to understand about bojack is it's a universe where humans and animals are equivalent they're all humans but basically the animal you know it's just like a chicken but with arms and legs they're all human with arms and legs yeah they're all humanoid um and there's an episode where um there's an ad for chicken for days which is basically kfc where they're talking about eating chickens and of course your immediate question is wait a second aren't chickens also human beings basically eating chickens like and then um and and of course that's already bad enough but then there's a farm guy who's like an you know he's like a free range chicken farmer and he's a chicken himself he's like you know chicken for days you know they they keep him in coops that upsets me um you know here here it uh out something farms you know our chickens can run freely and of course his son is like um but they're where chickens white what and he's like it's okay you see when the chickens are born they're injected with a drug that suppresses their brains so it's okay to eat them that's like the point that's like his argument so it would be akin to it would be akin to in our universe a place that sold human flesh and when somebody was like what isn't this wrong he's like no it's okay when they were babies we injected them with a mind suppressant so they're stupid so we can eat them and it's all good like that is and of course i think this while we were up to this season i was still on the show side so i just basically was telling more like i know i know it's stupid you just got to pretend it doesn't exist unfortunately the show doesn't pretend that it doesn't exist because in a later season diane eats some chicken from chicken for days despite being involved in that episode of freeing the chickens it's like oh okay she finds the practice disgusting horrible yet they apparently don't give a fuck because as when she's in it's in vietnam right she's she's just getting some food while she's pondering on like the reason why she's there trying to get away from mr peanut butter and deal with the divorce and she just picks up some chicken for days chicken and between scenes she eats all of it and you're like Jesus christ show like what's funny because people like that's the joke and it's like guys this universe is broken it's a universe where apparently people are cool with eating the equivalent of human beings just because they had a brain suppressant when they were babies it's insane people saying that's the joke what do you mean these jokes that everybody in this universe is insane and cool with eating human flesh because they had a brain suppressant when they were kids it's it's funny because they're catabals you're like okay and then there was a a later episode um where um they're in a restaurant um and there's a picture of a humanoid pig up on the wall with the cuts of meat drawn onto it and it's meant to be like a little funny joke but again it's like this is horrifying this would be like if you went to a restaurant and there was a human being up on the wall they had like thigh ribs drawn on yeah as they stood there it's absurd um and and that's the problem with this universe is it really doesn't uh oh and and I think that that that that's actually an interesting one because while we were watching the show and I was still it's supposed to be a social commentary on the brutality of slaughtering animals but it doesn't work at all yeah it doesn't work because in our world they aren't human beings like that so it's it's not a good analogy if that if that's the point they're making um but yeah this I can't agree with the chicken criticism I don't know what to say man I'm sorry like just wrong it's absurd um uh what oh the underwater episode so so so basically to paint the picture because obviously I recommended this show to Moeller as we were watching it we were getting up to about it was about season three where things were starting to fall apart because I was I was sitting here expecting stuff to come like I was expecting things I wonder what Fringy thinks about the South Park universe the big difference between South Park and Bojack Horseman is that South Park doesn't rely on its comedy to set up drama when you start using absurdist ridiculous comedy to set up your drama the stakes break if anything can happen you can't be invested in the drama it just completely undermines it and that's a big problem with Bojack because there are instances where funny funny absurd random things are critical to the plot um but yeah the the uh we were getting up to season three and that's when it was starting to fall apart because I was expecting stuff to happen I was expecting the drama and it just wasn't coming um and so then I think what I was saying to Moeller was we'll push for for a season three episode four the underwater episode that's gonna be the good one that'll be the one where you know it'll it'll be great and um and we got to it and we're watching it and that is another episode that completely undermines like it it's it's riddled with issues um Bojack never got told that there was a button on his machine that allows him to speak to people underwater there are pens underwater that apparently work but then it washes all the stuff away which is super convenient because he needed to write something down on a piece of paper that was important to basically the fundamental point of the uh the episode um Bojack um only realizes at the very end of uh the episode that he can swim underwater and it saves him from falling to his death but in several other points in the episode gravity works as though it's normal um what were some of the other issues with that with that fish episode Moeller um the the fact that they do again it's for the joke he walks into his room and he has a bunch of normal person stuff but it's all floating around and fucking up because it's underwater when that would of course be accounted for if it was an underwater world so what it's like oh look all the chips are pouring out of the bag in the water you're like yeah why would you've opened them up in the water why wouldn't there be a place to eat why this this world is all fucking stupid uh and of course a lot of the bigger payoffs of the episode are all based on a lot of these really stupid things like um will he be able to get the baby back so like this whole time he could have swim he could have just he could have been swimming there's so many moments with that would have been useful uh blowing up the taffy factory he probably killed everyone inside there because it's it's an explosive extremely sticky and hard to move taffy like you're fucked if you're surrounded by taffy you can't do shit you're just gonna die um so like like the and of course they try and build some jokes out of it but then they also have emotional payoffs being the the bojak is taking care of something and he finds some meaning in that it wasn't lost on me what what the point of the episode was um it's just incredibly poorly constructed a lot of it is just uh fast and loose they're just doing whatever they want to get out what they obviously are going for and i just don't think that um uh if we're applying what we usually apply to uh narratives especially ones that are building drama this holds up whatsoever well i mean i see people talking about the whole mix in comedy and drama so the the then this is interesting to me because i uh i i absolutely have the view that like comedy and drama can blend together um and work really well uh i mean obviously because like a lot of my favorite shows and comedies that have drama moments in them um i think the fundamental thing that you have to avoid is having your comedy undermine the drama um so so like a good example right again going back to the simpsons the reality is that do it for her uh the episode where homo meets his mom and then she drives away and he sits under the sunset these are like more powerful than any moment in bojack horseman at all like and these are only in one episode but the fundamental thing is that there are no jokes or anything that's set up to undermine any of these powerful moments right there's no jokes that ruin these payoffs like i mean a good example right when when homo's mom is leaving uh she smacks his her head on the roof and says dough and it's like that's kind of funny but it works because she's homo's mom so it works on most so the comedy doesn't undermine it if anything it enhances it like and then of course you know the the drama itself is great the drama is potent it doesn't it's it works it doesn't undermine itself in any way it makes sense it's consistent um um and whereas you know in bojack horseman there are a lot of times where why are you comparing bojack to the simpsons bojack is widely regarded as being one of the greatest animated shows of all time which means that there are some people who think that it's either on par with or better than the simpsons that's the reason why i keep drawing the comparison because they're both they're both animations and they're both predominantly comedies and if the simpsons is doing all of the comedy better and it's also nailing the drama and bojack's not doing either of those things like you know what what is there to say about that it's it's a show that's trying to do oh yeah and someone's just brought up rick and morty rick and morty is appreciably funnier than bojack and more intelligently written which is funny because you can't say that anymore right oh you gotta have a hierarchy to understand rick and morty it's like yep but rick and morty is funny and smart and a lot of people have been saying that everything you've been saying is a cold day because like what are you talking about bojack is beloved like every time i've ever heard anything about bojack is that it's amazing though it's incredibly funny and it's incredibly dramatic and it goes to dark places and explores depression in a really like detailed way which by the way oof to that statement every last piece of development is ricketerly placed on all of these events that um to give you an example bojack has to deal with the idea that he essentially killed serelyn and a lot of people you know throw that claim around and he's stressing out about it when if you guys remember the moment he's like hey let's do alcohol and drugs she punches oh she doesn't punch sorry i'm getting ahead of myself she lifts up her calendar that has the counter for how long she's been sober and behind it is this huge stack of alcohol and she pulls it out and you know it's all ready to go he goes to her house and she smashes her like vase and there's a bunch of cocaine in it she'll punch her wall and she's like oh is this is this my heroin wall oh where's my heroin wall it's all played for jokes about how she's absolutely you know running into uh drugs head first and then the show's like but she died and you're like oh oh oh shit we're doing this okay okay fuck okay yeah this is getting real serious okay yeah i guess repercussions you know consequences you can't just go lol spaghetti is falling off the water village you're like oh okay all right i fuck i don't know where we go and then three seasons later serelyn died because of you bojack he's like oh shit we're bringing wow i don't know and um for a lot of people they remember bojack is an incredible drama that has a lot of commentary on like the human mind sort of thing um i think they forget that 90% of the show is shit jokes it's a seriously huge about and like because i mean for instance um that in season four we spend a very long time on mr peanut butter running for governor and all of it is ridiculous um like apparently he can he can he can uh challenge him to a ski race down a mountain and whoever wins will become the governor at the todd through contrivance falls through the thing first and everybody's like oh you you're the governor it's like oh my god like what what is this and then they have an episode where um they're doing fracking on mr peanut butter's house his house falls into the ground they spend like three days locked down there the the governor of california digs down to get them out um but they all go hip hip hooray and then the the cave that he tunnels down uh falls down and crushes his hands and then jessica bill set zack braff on fire and then they consume his meat and then they prepare to do the same to mr peanut butter and they're like we'll never talk about this again but then jessica bill tries to run for governor of california and they're like how do we stop how do we prove she's insane it's like um guys she killed zack braff and ate her and ate him just say that and it's over the show like forget so much of what's happening like so much of what actually happens in that show um like oh Todd well you had some strong opinions about Todd they go like these are jokes what the fuck when can we when can we throw this out in defensive tlj hey the the the the jokes you don't like they're jokes it was a joke that they are the the they did the the um hyperspace kamikaze that was a joke no i guess a better example be luke threw in it through his lightsaber over shoulder that was to make you laugh that was a joke doesn't really help does it um yeah Todd talk about Todd Todd could be deleted from the show i don't see what the fuck he adds he constantly he goes on adventures so much the show gets self aware about it like fucking season one they're already could talk it out but then nothing really changes they add that he's asexual about what is that the end of season three or four end of season three yeah um simultaneously he's ended his relationship with bojack of five years of leeching off of him and then um he like fails to remember that detail most of the time he sees the relationship as he was you know taken advantage of or partially abused by bojack in a friendship that just wasn't with while when it like blows my mind constantly but the asexual thing the the show has no idea what it's doing with it like uh there's a lot of these really crazy plot lines just involving just they try and draw him into a psychopathic adventure where he builds a a roller coaster theme park that would violate every single health and safety and ip convention you could possibly think of and then he goes to jail for it and then the hollywood sign piece drops on it and he escapes and you'd be a wanted felon but he doesn't matter we'll just forget about that even though jail plays a huge part in the finale for the show for a certain other character you see it's it's a joke one time but it's incredible important development and and and dramatics in the other but that's fine it's fine you're supposed to know when to laugh and when to cry basically like that's that's how it works um but like the girlfriend that he kind of has but kind of doesn't they drop a few or is there three in total of his girlfriends so that there's the first woman emily who is not asexual who there's a thing going on there but that's how tod figures out that he's not and also he's like very mad at bojack for having sex with her but he's not mad at emily that's her name for actually even though she's his like yeah it's it's totally lopsided and again like the whole show is like oh bojack your bad friends are taught it's like you let him he let him live in his house for five years rent free like the show against that completely thoughts on archer yeah archer is great and it has better comedy and drama than bojack i haven't seen in a while but i remember like an archer a hell of a lot more than bojack um but then uh you have um yeah so then and then in the next season like uh tod meets um somebody who was also asexual uh no that's at the end of season four he tried to make a dating app for asexuals over the course of season four then at the end of season uh like yeah bojack was not a great friend to tod the problem is that the show ignores that tod wasn't also a great friend to bojack in a lot of ways the show trips over itself to punish bojack it never has a level-headed take on bojack's existence but yeah so tod makes a an asexual dating app and then he meets somebody who's also asexual they start dating at the end of season four and in the first episode of season five they're already having issues because we've skipped massive amounts of time big issue in the show they skip ahead by months and don't say anything about it and pretend like nothing has changed when they skip ahead by months you know what else we skip we go from oh man diane and mr peanut butter are having an argument that's a big one this time and we skip to well the divorce papers are signed wow yeah it's um why oh yeah so let's talk about how bad diane is diane is is like peak uh the badness of britain from community she is that character that's not funny like yeah that's the thing she can't even be at least britain was obliterated for comedy like some of the stuff she does is funny but diane is like often framed as being correct she chastises every other character for being wrong when she's one of the worst people in the show well yeah because there was an episode where um uh it was yeah diane creates an elaborate torture chamber that bojack has to go through because um so there's a whole plot line of how bojack went to uh new mexico to meet an old friend of his called charlotte he got you know rejected by charlotte and so he almost initiated something with uh with her like 17 or 18 year old daughter it's all legal but it's all you know you know it's it's bad right it's it's still like um and then a few seasons later um diane finds out about a tape that has to do with her um but it's it's unclear right it's very unclear um what actually happened there she has no idea whether or not bojack's done anything illegal or whether he's done anything wrong um like the context is missing instead of actually talking to him when bojack is defensive which he normally is what she decides to do is rewrite a scene of the show that he's working on um to basically uh force him to relive uh that whole scenario instead of just talking to him it's like oh new mexico she's set you know she's 17 kiss her bojack and it's like what you're meant to be friends like why would you talk to him why would you set up this elaborate torture chamber and then like the show treats it like oh see bojack you're a piece of shit it's like diane has no idea what actually happened and she potentially like psychologically scarred bojack for it and the show treats it as if it's good it's bizarre um let's not forget uh the the difference on fracking between peanut butter and diane is that oh yeah he he is forced politically to be pro fracking he guesses she's very anti-fracking and so it gets into the news that the wife of the potential governor is anti-fracking while he's pro-fracking she puts out an article about how bad fracking is and is causing trouble and he he condemns it for he's like you you fucking you screwed up my whole campaign and then she says i've actually written an article about how bad you are like an article all about how shit mr peanut butter is and she's about to publish it and you fucking it's one of the first one of the three times in the entire show where he's angry which by the way would have been nice to have explored more of his character but never mind yeah um and he's like you fuck you can't do this and then she hits publish and then they hate fuck and that's the end of the episode and when i was watching and they never addressed the fact yeah when i was watching with ring i was like okay weird but i guess i can understand a hate fuck like all right but man like this is going to destroy his chances as governor and i remember you you being like well they don't that article doesn't come up it's like what do you mean the article doesn't come up it's like the whole cause of the huge draw between them in this article that apparently just dresses him down as this horrible person it doesn't come up it's gone the next episode it's the show used it for one thing and then forgot it existed i was just like wow fuck me for being invested in what's actually happening i guess um yeah it's one of those things of this should be significant but the show forgets that it is another thing i i guess we should bring up is um the p the connect so you have the drama of hollyhock abandoning bojack you'd be like wow that's a pretty big dramatic payoff you get a lot of feels from that and it fuels his his drug and an alcohol rampage that almost leads to his death you're like okay that's big stuff what is it based on you're like well the relationship was damaged not broken it's broken by one event it's damaged by another event we'll go with the damaged one first you have bojack in an attempt to reconnect with charlotte ends up taking her daughter to prom but prom isn't working out so he takes her and a couple of friends to drink a lot of alcohol and unfortunately one of the four of them get like way too too too drunk and have to go to hospital with her boyfriend bojack and charlotte's daughter ditched them this never the the boyfriend nobody talked about this it never made it to the press even though it's a huge story and he went to a hospital it's very likely could it but fine i'll believe it it all stayed under the carpet all right now this guy he's uh he would have recovered from that situation and uh years years later hollyhock is just at a party and she's struggling with the idea of drinking because of what she's seen in her father which which i think is pretty strong it's like yeah that's good stuff she's she's having a little bit of ptsd about like how i've got a she drinks something she could become like him it's like okay i'm following and this guy turns up he's like hey i can help out say your name uh like count to a certain number and you'll recover and she's like okay good and they eventually they hit it off they go up to her place they talk about their experiences with alcohol turns out this is the guy that bojack abandoned after having given alcohol to they are minors at that point the first the first story that this guy tells hollyhock is about how bojack so what are the odds what are the somebody who is wrong by bojack bumped into bojack's sister in new york at one party and the first story that he tells her is about how bojack is a bad person it's absurd it's insane this is the drama this is the drama of the show it kicks off the last season well i was going to say so that's that's what damages um their relationship those are so said nope you didn't pay attention you're right they they justified how those two happened to meet up completely it wasn't just by blind fucking luck it happened completely would cause an effect so anyway that's what damages their relationship but how is it that it gets broken well uh bojack goes for an interview about what he's done in his past it goes really well and he's so ego driven on it that he wants to do another one and despite princess carolin being a very intelligent character she just goes uh fuck it yeah i guess you can do it she'll quickly abandon him after this interview goes to shit i was watching it with fringy i was like this interview will go to shit i'm curious how but it will go to shit they ask him a bunch of very personal questions questions that he was like how the hell do you even know this information they got it from his ex um what would you call him the the guy who leads the uh like alcoholics anonymous yeah the guy who was an alcoholic alcoholics uh anonymous who are right wait wait wait wait this is where i'm going with it right so they got it from him and you're like whoa why would you give up sensitive information it's like well because he's drunk why is he drunk when he's the leader of like an anti-drunk group well because bojack got him drunk you're like bojack got him drunk how did bojack get him drunk well because bojack had smuggled in a bottle of vodka as a sort of you could maybe call it a safety blanket of sorts so how did bojack's bottle of vodka get to this guy that sounds like a very difficult thing to write it's like well um bojack accidentally dropped it in such a way that it bounced into a selection of bottles of water that were being delivered to this place and that guy before bojack could run down the stairs and grab it picked up that very bottle and drank the entire thing without realizing it was vodka that's so do you get what i'm saying right the big payoff you follow exactly down to where it's all built and it's on this broken as fuck narrative it's absolute shit and that that's kind of like and then again you know um talk about undermining jokes for comedy i saw somebody mentioned the funeral episode right so like the funeral episode is it's so bojack's mum dies and we haven't seen her since season four like season four episode 11 we don't see her again until episode six when she's dead um and the whole episode is a big eulogy that bojack is giving and you know it's another one of those this could have been a good episode but um but we missed we missed why didn't we get more scenes with the mum for starters i like it wait someone just said he's an alcoholic of course he realized it was vodka as if that's the problem out of all of what i just mentioned yeah um but um but yeah bojack's doing his eulogy he does the whole thing um and then he goes over to the coffin and opens it and realizes it's not his mum and he looks up and nobody he recognizes is there it's a bunch of chameleons so he gave this whole eulogy in front of a crowd like he was in the wrong building and it's meant to be a funny joke but it's like wow good job you've undermined everything that you've just done there um like would the scene have not worked better if it was actually the real place and it was actually his mum in the coffin like surely that would have been better how could it have not been better especially in reference to all of the stuff that he was talking about in that episode um the impromptu cancellation may have led to so much rust nonsense and contrivance now season five is the worst season and that was before the show got you know like it's last season that they that they got the opportunity to work on the show was broken for the molly you said that was the problem no the problem is accidentally dropping this bottle in such a way that it lands in the selection of bottles of the ones that are being delivered to this guy and he grabs the right one and then he drinks it that's the main problem yeah it's fucking absurd and it and as much as you might be like hey absurdist comedy it's like what is what is absurdist drama where all of these stakes are built on absolutely insane contrived events so that we're just supposed to be like hey what if bojack's ancient egyptian cousin ubatu wakes up from his crypt and steals his girlfriend isn't that dramatic i'd be like uh i i uh i guess so yeah i guess that is dramatic and like moeller supposed to be funny i'm like oh fuck sorry um yeah i didn't get it i guess well yeah that that's and that's that's the thing is um if if the comic you know if the comedy is not working in this show which it isn't at least it wasn't when we were rewatching it um there's not a lot left like there's very little content and the show wastes a lot of its time as well there are so many episodes that could have stood to be cut i like that picture yeah that's awesome um there are so many episodes that could have stood to be cut out episodes that waste a lot of time and it's all disappointing because what you have in this show with some amendments and um and uh with you know trying to some tweaks you have potentially a fantastic show like again the view from halfway down is a good episode on its own um it's it's a good episode on its own and it's almost an episode that you could enjoy even without having watched the whole show it's it's wonderfully done in that it's a nice little dream sequence that i could believe he's having with himself until you realize a lot of the stuff they're saying sort of actually matches events in his life a lot of the visuals are telling you a lot about what's happening and um it all becomes very clear right toward the end that uh what it what it all represents what it all means and how it's all a big sort of goodbye to uh to bojack and i think it would have been a way better season finale than what we got the season finale was balls yeah the season finale is pretty terrible if it just ended there bojack dies and that's just the end it's a trick you know it's that is the end it's just a surprise finale i think it probably would have been better and imagine how great that episode would have been if the rest of the show was as good as that episode like it would have been one of the best episodes of television period but um but it's not it's a fix to a show it's a yeah it's a fix to a show that isn't nearly as good um and that is hot take number two yeah that's a hot take on bojack i thought it was good and it's not it's it's bad it's really bad well i saw someone say like oh your heart take is that it's overrated i was like uh i guess you could say that uh jay actually put an extension well jay put a poll out asking bojack horseman the show is good or bad good was 90% bad was 10% um i would say that is incredibly overrated because it's absolutely a bad show this is not what we want to be saying is even close to par this is shit um and i find it kind of embarrassing like to watch sometimes that people wrote it uh that's my hot take it it does it definitely i feel like it's another one of those shows where there is no way that you could ever misinterpret anything to do with it and the show benefits from that fact the fact that you could never misunderstand what the show is about and what points it's trying to make it seems to just help to to to have a show that does that where there is no subtext it's all text it's all obvious and you can never miss the point that seems to be the way to do it also someone said like what is what is a show you guys like breaking bad go watch it it's really good yeah to go wrong um i mean obviously i like shows why would i be watching tv if i hated everything well i don't think that's what they meant they were just like hey what are shows that are good then and it's like there's a lot of good shows out there there's a lot of shows that are good in spite of their flaws it's just there's a lot of shows that are really really overall shit and now yeah i just i thought bojack horseman was shit i'm sorry okay are you happy now the clone was one go over the boy season one somebody mentioned yeah the boy the boy season well so i was gonna say um hey mel rags do you how you guys do it are you okay i'm doing all right okay i i hadn't seen bojack i just saw that one episode that was terrible so i didn't have really much to contribute to the discussion of the whole season as a whole i hadn't seen like a lot of i hadn't seen a lot of bits and bobs scattered across you know i would hope it's on i would hope what people can take away from this is the freeing and i went through every single episode we talked through everything about it structurally and from a comedic and dramatic standpoint you can tell with the amount of references we've we've just gone through that we definitely know at least somewhat what we're talking about may have screwed up some places but that's it's a heart take it's a take it's not you're not going to get much more than this at all like if someone's looking for a debate on the clone wars or um uh uh bojack it's it's going to be unlikely because ultimately like i'm going to forget a shit ton of this show really soon because like it's it's just not something that got to me on on the heart ism but i wanted to let you guys know because i know that a lot of you recommend bojack horseman and like so you're going to be sad to hear about this but hopefully you've not only got my response as well as fringies and a few other things here and there but the reasoning um so you could take away from it what you will it's not supposed to make you all sad is by point okay so so are we are we talking about that the well the plan was to get on to the next video now i just um i'm worried that everybody's possibly sleepy or not i don't know well what is uh what's our next video it's patrick williams what do we want from star wars movie part two it's it's it's the what he missed from this one oh so he did do a part two oh i thought he didn't do one how interesting did it is his part two pre or post the riser this is post riser skywalker oh i'm curious i want to know what he has to say how long is it is he gonna be able to explain himself um it's uh it's 30 minutes um i i am i have legitimately really do want to this video is i'm very curious about this video well well how about we could maybe do i mean i know this is unconventional but like maybe do an extra efab this month as in the second of this one but it would be counted as a second episode being the i don't know if i should say that we could move the third hot take to another episode along with the second part of his video because obviously if we were to attack we've got some super chats to catch up on as well as all the ones that are coming today and by the time we get through all of them is probably going to lead us to the normal completion time for the stream so we've got enough to come back to for a theoretical other episode and then of course we can carry on with our usual programming on on every saturday we could just get this other other half of this done i know everyone wants hot take number three i mean the thing is with hot take number three is that i kind of i want one more week before i deliver hot take number three and i think the fact that i've just said that should give away exactly what the hot take is so i suppose we can give you the taster of hot take three and then we'll deliver the full hot take three another time and then we'll go to super chats because uh i don't know how else to make this one more once metals come back from his pee and i'll just i'll drop it like an anvil it's cool i guess he's being i might as well pee too how was your uh because i missed it the conversation about uh the clone was it was mainly theo people were either upset or not it was a combo in chat that's all 50 50 not that was upset but yeah i was mostly just me ranting well it was similar to to free with with bojack and to be honest with you keep an eye on chat i'm not actually sure uh who which one was taken worse i can't tell you i think i might have been clone wars they seemed angrier about clone wars i think uh i think what i noticed was that um the more you rattle off the list of issues with bojack the harder it becomes to ignore those problems i did notice the chat sort of turn from i guess like close to 50 50 to as things matter down as like yeah but shut up though all right i'm gonna like i said we'll we'll talk about it a little i don't expect us to do a lot of it because there's still more for us to discover and refine before we can we can do it and i i have plans in relation to it anyway but hot take number three is as as chat of mostly guest the boy season two is terrible absolute shit really bad fucking garbage it's astronomically bad anybody who says it's great or good they might want to rewatch it or something i don't fucking know yeah it's so i guess um is a so for first season first season we we definitely like the first season probably say it let's say five out of ten ish is that around the range we'd give the first season uh we i think we went with five yeah i think it's five definitely some issues but there's some stuff that they do pretty well interesting character is interesting world there's a lot of stuff that we really liked and a lot of stuff that we were super interested in seeing how it would play out and develop but there's definitely some big issues with season one so we went into season two really no fingers cropped hoping that if anything else hopefully it'll at least carry on you know as good as season one oh to clarify i think the grand was to clarify for rags because some people are taking it the wrong way remember what five means to efab it's not the five of the world yeah five is totally in the middle five is in the in the middle it totally average uh objectively and structurally speaking uh i guess mediocre just totally average um it's got it's got some things it does well it's got problems it to have a think of it the the middle it's a show that's very much carried by its concept like i like the boys season one i like it a lot but uh but yeah it has so season two uh we're like legitimately at batwoman levels uh i ain't gonna lie it's a it's a fucking disaster uh not being hyperbolic here um we're at we at batwoman levels we had trouble with episode one once episode two finished we were done already yeah once we finished episode three we're at farcical levels we couldn't even like watch it without essentially laughing and making fun of it like we do with batwoman yeah it is unfortunately turned into that kind of show for us um at this point but that's because it that's the show apparently it wants to be now so uh incredibly disappointed in it um it's not enjoyable bad like batwoman is i like some people were saying it's not a heartache now a little child like no you watch for your enchanter i keep seeing this goddamn sentiment when you agree with a take you won't see it as hot yeah no yeah hot take hot take is obviously in reference to the overall consensus it's it's a hot take to say the boys bow jack and the clone wars are awful okay these are absolutely hot takes yeah i don't know what's better than that um as as for the justification for all of this we need episode 10 before everything can be concrete you mean uh oh sorry episode eight um everything is in the air a little right well not everything is in the air lots of things are in the air and it really i don't think i can fix a lot of it yeah i don't i think they're gonna fuck up episode eight for sure but um there's a couple of criticisms that can't come out until we have the information of the finale but this is why it's a little bit of us a stunted take until we're able to and so i was thinking the um literally when the episode releases uh we'll we'll try and watch it as the team that we are which is uh metal rags myself and fringy and then we can do a stream and we can go through like mandalorian the episodes and talk about the bigger structural issues and then talk about the characters and then talk about how we're very sad because the boys was really fucking cool and they fucked it up in season two completely yep pretty much nothing is working i would say that uh i would say that all of the characters every single one has uh had something that's kind of obliterated them homeland or is certainly not as cool as he used to be yeah that's for sure and he was like my favorite character in the show yeah i don't really like i'm actually just catching up to episode seven by today and it's almost like five days i saw that somebody mentioned the whole work stuff it's like the show was bad before they pulled the the rug out on that thing they didn't even try yeah i don't know how shockingly overt in one side it is i don't really want our culture yeah it's gone it's gone a little hard to ignore what the the main point they're trying to make with the political satire is like it's it's um it's actually awkward at this point you're like trying to look past it like can i see the show it's basically a political show now like last episode seven seven was so cringy like they say all right oh man they started with fat neil getting radical i stopped this episode like multiple there was like okay let me just take a breather just refill my water it's gonna be fine you always did it it's like i'm to cut no you're to cut like shut the fuck up it's really bad they really went far with those porn jokes just in case you guys weren't laughing already yeah yeah um i would describe season two a lot of different ways but juvenile would be among the adjectives that i would assign to it i think so yeah it is so much more like yeah this point um yeah it does seem gratuitous it's really trying to be violent and edgy i i don't and this is not something i think i've ever said about anything else but like the gore is actively putting me off it not because of the gore itself but because it feels like they're really just trying to well we i get we could save it for our big discussion so someone in chat just said check the amazon x-ray scene when homelander is watching taxi driver they call it white male rage what oh wait really yeah i'm curious about how the x-ray works on amazon but um yeah there's there's so much to go over and uh yeah we we've been making notes uh it was we watched episode one with the intention of enjoying the show and i remember it was a couple things where we'd be like huh it's kind of weird the blah blah blah but whatever we're enjoying the show cool by the time you hit episode two like okay all right this is getting a bit silly now like why why the fuck this this this and then episode three once the deep was knocked out by me by falling off a whale i was like okay and then homelander getting beaten by the telekinetic guy and storm front just killing a bunch of black people like and apparently they could cover that up yeah 50 we've already got it uh these guys are missing the points like yes we are yeah yeah we're definitely missing the point is a here's the thing if if you point out the issues of a show or a movie that are plot and character related and we're missing the point why are you making this show well i mean plot line is superfluous yep so is most of the plot line they have fucking wasted their time with the deep holy shit they've been treading remember how i said after season one i said i was super interested in what this you know what they were gonna do with the deep and what they were setting up for and now i'm just like it is i just feel like it's green time um also some people have mentioned more interesting cynic snacks is not a fan of it yeah i've heard about that and they would like get and talk to jay log about it's like we already did after after episode seven and i saw her tweet so it's like oh we got a chat we got to talk about this and uh yeah we were just ranting to each other about how shit uh season two has been and how disappointing it is and of course everyone's going to want to hear the the rationale and uh we shall provide it this is this is going to be slight blue balls but just wait a week's time and you'll get everything you want right yeah don't do not worry all of this stuff we have a lot to talk about um if if you disagree with us even if you do so vehemently at least uh keep it in mind but there is a lot of stuff to go through yeah yeah yeah and it will be it will be explored i mean i mean because like you said it's you think it's batwoman levels i'm not sure if i'm there yet but uh it's pretty low that's for sure yeah and i think the show really floats on having been banking on the staleness of superhero content being that like we're tired of seeing good person struggle and then become a better person and then they team up and they defeat a big CGI monster it's like boring it's like you know what is also boring is when all of the superheroes are comically evil yeah i we can get into it but well the reason i was pointing that out was just i understand what the appeal is it fucking appeal to me like crazy uh i just don't it's not working anymore like it's not enough anymore yeah it's no longer a super interesting premise that i want to see more of despite its flaws it is just it's just a big ball of there's there's nothing good about it anymore they did it again they're being cartoonishly evil that's the point it's like fucking hell chat that's the point okay no the point is that it this show is bad well hmm that we whoa then we agree yeah yeah there's you know how um like you know how you could say i mean like could you the point is out of credit i suppose we'll go into it in more detail but when everything is like that but the world's trying to operate seriously it doesn't work you know well it's just an odds game right it is odd five out of like seven of the the people who are in the seven of psychopaths that's odd there's no getting around well yeah a lot of them don't seem to just uh operate like humans a lot of the time instead they have to be representations of hey what if superheroes weren't good people i get it i really get it it would have been cool though if this was like built from a structural core level and uh it was more subtle like fuck i would i would easily go for a uh racist superhero but delivered in a subtle way instead of fuck you black yeah okay it's boring and it's dull and it's uninspired and it's it's lazy dude the scene where she's killed the black guy and he says i thought you were a good guy something like he's like i thought you were a superhero who knew um yeah it's really really really lame show um i i i can i can believe like i could believe in season one with all of its flaws that this was still like a real world that could operate and hold together and have rules and everything but that's just gone i i don't believe in this world anymore i don't believe in this world anymore for the same reasons i don't believe in the batwoman world because it's just absurd all the time and nothing makes sense everyone's fucking stupid too yeah everyone is an idiot in this show everyone is an idiot or they're a terrible horrible person one of my uh favorite things in this show is how so many scenes of people blackmailing each other but they have no leverage it's a it's a really weird pattern that we can get into yeah yeah i'm gonna tell everybody about pop claw and then you'll be in trouble and then she leaks dude on rewatch i realized something because that was stupid enough when we were talking about it but um it doesn't make any it makes even less sense because she proves with with her i don't know knowledge about pop claw that someone may have killed her someone if you remember pop claw was like not even in her place or a train's place it's like what exactly do you have like oh sorry she was hit with something i shouldn't get into this now we should get into another time why was she and and the fact that she was allowed to look at the autopsy report like why would they let you see that there's a lot of stupid shit like i said but once we get episode eight we'll be able to um you know go through it all with you guys explain ourselves even more that i like that it ramped it went from theo's disparate thoughts upon having watched all the shows and a bit of time on wood to bojack where fringy passionately stands on his pedestal explaining to the to the people that they have been misled and then like we jump again and fill again and stuff it's like with with the boys though you're gonna get a full season breakdown it's gonna happen someone in the YouTube show that's me what is your heart take that's like that's that's also my heart take yeah oh i guess we should have made it clear so the clone wars is theo's heart take because none of us have seen it as well um then the boys heart take is all of us except theo i guess theo's seen two episodes is it i'm like i think four episodes in uh i know it's a step down but i'm just interested what you guys have to say further and then bojack is me and fringy and among us is rags someone's asking about that i just yeah i just don't like my i i do i haven't played a lot of it it just isn't my thing it doesn't appeal to me really um but i see why people really like it i don't have anything against it and i i think that when we play it for a bit of e-fab gaming you'll probably you'll have fun it's just not gonna be yeah i'll have fun i i just think that trouble in terrorist town has spoiled me because i probably have hundreds of hours in that and i think this is just a step down and pretty much every way and i like what are you talking about i'm i'm confused now what among us okay oh rags said it's not very good well among us okay that's a hot take uh i guess yeah i am picky with games um i'm more picky with games than i am with shows because games require me to play them they require my input um if i'm bored for a show it still progresses exactly the same as if i was interested in it like time wise and progress wise a game like that's kind of funny it is way harder to play a game that you don't like than watch a show you don't like i would say that the ratio of good games that was a lot higher than uh good like i feel like there are more good games than there are good in any other medium i think i'd probably agree yeah i just think that i i feel like the bar for games has the fact that it has to be playable almost in and of itself sets the bar really high yeah i think so yeah i also think that i feel like people are very forgiving of shows it just seems that way uh of shows definitely i don't i don't need to think movies get the same you know people watch us watch batwoman and they're like man batwoman this obscure insane cw show that has writing so bad you don't even know how it was made and it's like guys a lot of the stuff that's wrong with batwoman is present in a lot of stuff yeah batwoman just is that bad consistently and high frequency i guess is what i would say i guess it's um there's a lot of mediocre because you know like you have or wow it's funny i always go to bones i don't even know bones is bad or like mediocre i haven't seen bones i just because of angel i always use bones as an example but like bones is is standard like you know ncis bones that's like what tv mostly is just sort of okay middling stuff um and then but funnily enough a lot of the things that are regarded very positively are the ones that don't hold up so well it's kind of interesting no um maybe bones is good maybe i'm just not giving me enough credit we're talking about we're talking about a show not to forest kelly uh no bones like the you know the procedural crash oh talk about crash for an hour he's doing a joke oh okay yeah i didn't get it ah it's all right it's okay i i i'm really impressed with crash for um it's i beat it last night there we go a happy take yeah no well yeah i mean i think it's great i'm i'm really impressed they are they've done better than i think anybody could have expected them to um it's got tons of content uh really precise fun challenging platforming um really great art style i think this game looks fantastic um god like i i feel like i want to keep playing it though because uh before i like really try and break it down i'm just doing all the gem hunting now but talk about replayability like this game has massive amounts of replayability more so than like any other crash game and more so than the vast majority of games in general the fact that there's like all of these different configurations for how you can get gems you know whether or not you beat the level only dying three times um whether or not you find hidden gems whether or not you are you um complete certain challenges like it's really good stuff and you know what like we got we got that we got hopefully blind man is gonna be good hopefully amnesia amnesia rebirth we got your sonic heroes been playing you know that's good right i actually don't know yeah i've been playing games and liking it so you know it's not it's not all everything sucks on the efab podcast guys it's gonna i'm sure it'll be fine it's funny like yeah i'm still enjoying the world like we're not just like when we're not on efab it's not like we're all sitting miserably alone in our we we often with the lights turned off and us just frowning at our screens as we play shitty games and watch shows we often end up uh just watching shit we love as well that was like hey um i don't know if we've mentioned it to the efab people but we all as a six man if if jay was still here uh watched all of hill house yay we were all gushing really fun gushing over the first six episodes it was all right it was wonderful it made me all right see some of the best you've ever seen it's so good it's so good it's nice to be reminded and given that assurance that really really good tv it's it exists it's out there guys well i mean i i guess that's like what i would always you know the whole thing of life oh you had everything it's like i don't know man it's a hate stuff you have to know what you like you know what i mean like you can't have a reference for hate if you are if you don't like something you know what so and yeah that's that's probably all i would say about that yeah and i do want to say like we went into bojack and the boys with the best of hope oh i definitely did i i recommended it to you because i thought the show was great yeah like we didn't i wanted it to be this this idea that it's like oh you're just going into hate stuff it's like nah we didn't that's why there's no notes for bojack because i was looking to be like hey fringy show me a show that's awesome sweet dude just show him show him this part of the podcast see what he says just tell him you're allergic yes i know that uh the next thing on the watch list hopefully that will watch is the wire because uh i haven't seen it more i hasn't seen it and i'm i imagine that show yeah it's considered like a box at one of the all-time greats for tv so yeah well it's like one of you pre-genitors for the golden age right that's sopranos which i also haven't watched um hey buffy buffy's in that selection as far as i know um i i guess buffy would be in that selection it's i feel like buffy probably doesn't get included though because like people don't take it seriously well it's it's the idea that the wire and the sopranos are like the the shows that you know like 10 episodes or 12 episodes a season yeah um cut to black you know mid-sense and it's funny right because these have become tropes but they weren't tropes when these shows were around i know that the wire doesn't do the cuts of black thing but um but it's the you know it's it's really easy to trace uh where stuff like breaking bad comes from if you get what i mean like the wire and the sopranos and stuff um i do own the box set of the wire i don't know why i didn't finish it i think um yeah oh we'll get there um so yeah i guess um bragged and moller still haven't explained why this game is bad what game we talk about what sonic heroes i'm not gonna fucking waste anything about sonic heroes you kidding me this game is goofy as hell i don't care if it's good or bad whatever i don't know anything about sonic heroes listen don't take my commentary of this game while i'm trying to read out things and talk to co-hosts guests about stuff as like my breakdown of whether or not it's well made gameplay wise i just gotta imagine sonic heroes is bad because most 3d sonic games are is that a hot take maybe it is maybe that's the true hot take so hence do you ask well it yeah it does depend who you ask i think a lot of people get upset when you say that i'm sorry man but like you compare sonic 2 to basically like sonic unleashed has some good sections that's all i would say about sonic that's the one where you're the warehog right yeah but the warehog sections are the crap parts the good parts we're running really fast yeah i remember when i first played sonic unleashed i was like oh i'm having fun and you start playing as the warehog and yeah i remember that a friend of mine super into sonic games was was just like sonic generation is fucking amazing right up until the warehog shit starts happening it was like oh i remember the demo he was uh he was over the moon with just that one level yeah it's a really fun level um but then the warehog stuff comes along and it just that i i don't know i feel like sonic and because sonic generations i really like i saw someone say sonic adventure 2 is is not terrible i feel like sonic adventure 2 is the real edgy one i haven't played sonic adventure 2 but i i just get the impression that it's not good like i'm sorry that's the impression i get that's one that is quite sacred with the sonic people so yeah i've heard that well i haven't played it so again i i just get the impression that it's not as good as everybody says uh maybe it is though it's probably like return of the Jedi to Star Wars it's like you don't you don't go around saying that one's bad even though it's got loads of flaws in it at least that's how i understand it to be i haven't played it well i guess it's the whole thing of us sonic adventure 2 was like dream caught shout out the hedgehog is the edgy one yeah i mean he is like i'm the poster child for edgy characters that game reinvented edge the fact that he has a gun oh my god you're just jealous he's cool i remember as a kid i think i enjoyed that game um but it's not good um so yeah uh we got a catch up on what we missed in the super chat catch up ones rags it shouldn't take too long and then we'll be on to this episode's ones and uh yeah sure for however long we can oh and in case i figured it was covered but uh i said jay had like barely any sleep i think i think he went to sleep that's that's what happened uh we will yeah he kicked himself uh but hopefully jay will be up for the uh the e-fap gaming when we do some among us uh slash tko slash oh yeah jack box potty pack seven's happening guys so who knows all kinds of evil spooktober all the events everything get excited that's monday right yes yeah we're doing a drankenheimers and possible e-fap gaming on monday i guess it depends on who we can wrangle yeah um should be some fun so we got we got plenty to come lads also we did record an e-fap movies yesterday uh with wire best i guess i'll leave i'll leave the movie that we did to be a mystery for now uh it'll be funny and uh yeah i barely even remember that movie we watched yesterday we went to scrape last night i was just like what the hell even was that movie i'm not even kidding as long as as long as you remember laughing at it that's the important thing you know there's people out there and that's their favorite movie yeah there's some kid out there who watched it when they were super young they were like oh my god it was such a cool movie the name of the directors yeah i don't know you're giving it away wow rags spoilers i don't think i don't think anyone will fucking know there's one guy in chat that's like oh you mean like um but yeah we've also got moulin on the way uh both movies it's it's actually really close now we're just dealing with copyright so that'll be out soon and uh do manipulation with yms is coming and there's some other projects that we don't know what we're doing with yet but lots of stuff coming to you like it doesn't matter movies you mentioned i was like oh yeah we watched that we've watched lots of poopy things how many months ago was that that's the thing there's gonna be a bunch of stuff released that doesn't have our halloween avatars then as soon as spooktober ends we'll be like oh now for the halloweeny stuff like um like wait a minute we guys have fucked it up so yeah i guess i'll just start reading these out um you guys cool to hang out everybody i mean i would actually watch the the other thingy still but it's all good oh like i said we'll be able to make another efab out of it i'm sure at this point especially because how far are we now five hours uh yes that's what youtube says which contrary to efab fans is not a short stream already okay five hours it's five lots of from bad though a bit more um more i'm like we can start with a fucking uh sonic heroes super chat uh good to be watching you play a hedgehog wearing shoes an enchanted with spiked fists and a flying fox with two tails uh that can achieve velocity by twirling them together just like in real life you know remember uh is that what tails is a fox i guess he's a fox with two tails isn't that obvious oh i don't know it isn't i don't know that it could be like i don't know if he's some kind of uh some other canine creature or some weird badger or a tanuki or i don't i don't know oh it's tanuki yeah that'd be tanuki's a cool he could be a red panda oh i read that wrong it's not what is that word achin echidna i don't think i've ever seen that before echidna echidna really that's what uh tails is right no not tails um no knockers isn't echidna but he's not australian so it's inaccurate echidnas are australian i'm just saying yeah i don't think i i feel like i've never registered the word echidna before maybe not yeah weird it probably doesn't pop up often in conversation not really no i mean yeah it's it's not i mean echidnas are really nifty they're actually incredibly cute animals despite being covered in sharp sharp little pointy sticks oh dude knuckles just said oh sonic feels like halloween with all of these ghosts i just saw it yeah that's really that you see that's the that's the kind of classic sonic gold that i just expected the dialogue is always so wonderful i'm head right he's just on it games yeah every funny every line sonic boom is kind of funny like sonic boom is self-referential so it's actually kind of funny i'm saying like meme clips of that show yeah i i like sonic boom the the cartoon like i like it i think it's funny limbo they had a joke where um well i mean it's got more laughs out of me they had they had a joke where um where sonic brings a game it's like called tomato potamus two uh and then they're talking about you know it never really worked in three it never really worked in 3d game companies always ruin their beloved franchises and then sonic says yeah they never should have changed the color of tomato potamus's legs see that reminds me of um how weird of a decision it was that they actually had a line of dialogue in The Last of Us 2 that was Joel saying they made a sequel it wasn't as good it's like why would why why are you playing with my soul yeah yeah well i did not did not x-men apocalypse did that the third one's always the worst it's like yep well hey man return to you on the third one they're like what oh yeah no i don't that's it's just funny how again people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones i'm fucking everyone wants to throw stones at joss weed and by the way there's plenty of reason to it's just funny to me because like the you know it's coming from these properties that have such poopy writing in them but uh yeah sure dunk dunk away i don't really have a problem with it overall willow is one of the best female characters in any show damn she is i mean you're not gonna hear me disagree with you yeah maybe someone in chat well there you go well if they disagree it should hopefully be a another character from uh from buffy that's my phrase people don't think it's just funny i saw people calling so it's like what is it with you showing people buffy they show you a show they like you ruin it it wasn't me well freaking thought for himself it wasn't like well yeah it's funny right like i mean come on give me some credit jesus christ like i was i was levying a lot of the criticism yeah i was along for the ride yeah but i think you were getting worried with that when i wasn't laughing at anything you're just like hmm yeah but i also wasn't laughing so i was getting worried myself um i do i i mean all all i need to do is just show you another one of the shows that i like which you haven't seen and then just have you come on and say yeah it was great and then people could just leave that argument alone one of them has to be good right i'm assuming they're all joking you're fucking absurd to assume that like i hate every show that my friends show me what the fuck um i do want to make you watch silicon valley i think uh i think you'll like that one yeah i mean that sounds a lot more reliable because you've seen it very recently and uh i think well silicon valley is mostly trying to be funny and it's as opposed to being a drama and it's really funny that was made by the creator of king of the hill hmm well i don't know if you like king of the hill i don't know i didn't watch a lot but from what i saw it was it was funny i never really got into it yeah um because i was a kid when it was you know coming out and i remember like i didn't understand it i don't think i was like why they keep talking about propane like yeah i think i was just busy with other shows at that point simpson's future rama was kind of i was busy watching simpson's on repeat yeah a lot of reasons more more come on tourney usually god damn legs yeah they're thick enough as they are damn well she's torn is very thick don't make me angry it goes right for thighs no that they're good thighs like i'm just saying you should like oh fuck my why can't i grab the thing there but no okay well i didn't die anyway it's fine i'm fine please don't dash off the 37 legends this time you've no promises no promises yeah i will my hot take my super hot take i prefer mario to sonic there i said it i know i remember i got a debate with a friend of mine at school he was like at least sonic they try new things to which might be the thing that mario does try new things and mario does it better so yeah i would say mario's got the perfect blend of fucking giving everyone what they expect and then adding some new shit to really change it i think so like sonic is like fuck it this now you're like oh my god we're hogs gun gun gun yeah got it hey shadow is tonic black and he enjoyed gun violence and he was it again i don't know the lore of shadow but i'm pretty sure it's really funny uh shadow wasn't he he was creating in a lab wasn't he that's like his thing i'm pretty sure that's his incredible every bag and of course he was created in a lab the science experiment gone wrong yeah he loves a human girl called mario right that's his thing oh that's right isn't yeah yeah i was about to say it but you're all fucking interrupted me wow metal interrupting us doesn't he doesn't he sacrifice himself to save the world because he's secretly a good man after all he's a good man of course thousand endings as well yeah well so oh yeah sonic shadow the headshot i mixed it up with sonic the headshot 2006 i just wanted to world if there's not a world to hate that is a game i'd like to play somehow with like you guys or something like sonico six is just a treasure trove i remember when i was a kid i was like why does it take so long to load that must be doubly shit if you were like if your parents only let you play like an hour a day or something in the loading time i like how there are a lot of people like i don't understand games but we gotta make a deal here i do like how a lot of people say if only it had more development time it's like nah it's fundamentally fucked like the fact that it doesn't work is just additional like that game would have been a disaster sonic kissing a human being like we thought that was a good idea well it's because all of the edgy adolescents who self-insert themselves into shadow as their oc they're like i wish i could kiss a girl sometime maybe i guess i wish i would be a sonic i just find it funny that that game was meant to be like oh see sonic for the new age it's like yeah pretty much it set the trend for the next 10 years of sonic yeah the cutscenes in it were crazy like like it was going for something huge they had some big budget for some of those cutscenes you could tell they really wanted to make their uh you know make this stamp they're like we're here and we're here to stay you know it's like and they had that song that i actually really liked imagine when the second they submit a game to completion they get a little window into the future of what the rapid the undying reputation of the game will be and the sonica six devs are probably like oh god it would be like the arc of the coveted scene in the radius of the lost stock so sad but hey uh moobsly i have class i can't afford to ditch hey it's all right we'll be here you can uh you can catch us on the reupload um look at all those eggman's robots oh yeah we would when we talking about that was that from a super chat or not the whole like eggman versus bowser who would win um surely like bowser wins right well i think we said categorically like in a 1v1 it's bowser but yeah in like armies versus armies yeah um well do do eggman's robots are they more effective than the cooper troopers i guess well if we count bowser across all of it he has some crazy technology doesn't he yeah he's got he does man well yeah like in super mario odyssey he has the crazy hat that has like punching things on it that loses around the parts of you yeah what's eggman gonna do against magic it's playing warships it's funny because like bowser always loses but bowser somehow retains a certain degree of like he's like the first order of art well well what i was gonna say was like i feel like bowser still remains somewhat intimidating whereas eggman is just comical um which is fine i kind of like eggman um bowser somehow seems still like intimidating in his own way even though you know that he'll lose i mean super mario super mario galaxy man i i have three new all-stars i haven't touched it yet i need to super mario galaxy was the shit the soundtrack the tunes in that game tunes oh man i mean super mario yeah all of them really but it's just so catchy from all the games uh yeah super mario sunshine like they're the uh the flower galaxy has really cool music i mean if i just listed all of them yeah that'll rock galaxy i mean i always thought delfino is a wonderful little hub world and the music it's very chill you could just walk around delfino and just be happy it's like one of the things i liked in that game was how uh there's sort of like a progression of um the sunshine like it gets brighter the more you do significant touch uh the sun yes everything just increases everything's getting better in the world the more shines you free slash imprison i feel like i was really impressed by all the uh the cutscenes that game had like as a kid except for when bowser talked i wasn't such a yeah it was a bit awkward how dare you ruin my family vacation that's what bowser cares about his fucking family yeah i well it's funny right because uh a lot of the newer games have kind of emphasized the bowser being a dad and it's really neat you know like oh bowser's like a is a dad he's a cool dad you wanted a mother for his child you know yeah it's about family i mean it's what's so powerful about well bowser's a fucking player that's well that's bowser's angle right and like in uh in super mario odyssey he wants to marry peach and then he tries to propose to her it's really funny i think his picture seeds with peach is like trying to explain to him what's happening you've kidnapped me he's like this is love it's like well she got quote unquote kidnapped i like the idea that bowser is actually trying to save her for mario because mario is like the the theory that she wants to be with bowser but she's all bowser to like mario to know that because otherwise i'll fuck over the mario will kill him you motherfucker army of turtles to protect our love i feel like doc mario has always been a really funny idea like superman i know i like how i know angry joe gets really upset when our superman is made evil but like super mad evil is just more interesting than superman good to me that's why homelander is such a cool idea is there a communist superman version i think there is yeah i think there is isn't it under the red sun is called us i remember someone mentioned that yeah oh shit no my team is die oh we're all good conversely dingo dial is a hero what a great idea i'm not i'm not being sarcastic it makes me happy having australian representation finally yeah it's cultural appropriation so we can have it sorry about your sorry it's funny uh i'm pretty sure his acts i feel like he actually is played by an australian this time like last time around because obviously whenever anybody plays in australian it's really obvious to me like i've been americans doing it but uh this guy sounds pretty authentic he hasn't said cunts but uh but otherwise you know he will get there give him time it's in the dlc well i i actually kind of hope they make dlc for this game i'd buy it i want more levels i want them to make more crash bandicoot games if they keep doing what they're doing here they're on a good track oh shit this was about something i think i'll spin off the game oh yeah uh super chats right um i killed myself again is more a serial suicider i killed myself oftentimes in sonic heroes there's no railings so i keep blasting myself off the edge you know that's doctor recommends his old weapon is he removed all of the railings because this whole place was like a fun little experiment for everyone to just do roller coasters and stuff but he was like what if i remove the safety precautions i would use his speed as his weakness oh my god fuck you sonic uh hey more imagine go ahead what imagine what oh yes i could imagine if he actually said that it'd be great park you sonic as as you tip over bowser's bath at the end of sunshine as he's falling he goes fuck you it would be like oh my god i wonder if they could get away with it with uh like what the lowest rating would be they could get away with maybe make it sound like something else well crash bandicoot got away with a bunch that there's a skin in this game called mother clocker um there's not really getting away with it but it's not it yeah what's wrong with that it's not what what's getting what's it getting away with i don't understand oh i just mean you know sneaking in your eye your little oh oh a good one in ratcheting clank three there's a cutscene where um they're looking for captain quark and they uh they go to this this planet um where they're looking for a wild man and they're interviewing this guy he's like he was butt naked screaming and holding a banana maybe it weren't a banana it could be one of the jurors mysteries um i was always surprised to find out what the game was called up your arsenal it was like jeez yeah up your arsenal yeah um they have a lot of those in ratcheting clank ratcheting clank is a cheeky game well you know what mario 64 got away with it when you said so long gay bowser that was that was so big a game bowser they removed that sound clip in that remaster thing you really they removed that it's too controversial they're getting rid of gay representation that's right that's what was that what was the other one just love the idea that mario fucking hates gay people he's a very devout italian catholic like he's altruistic in every sense of the word except fucking gay people man get the hell out of your degenerates this is like bowser's like wow dude that's fucked up mario i'm not even gay but jeez jeez we find out that mario is like uh what's a face from the boys just secretly hate yeah storefront he just sees gay people and shoots the lasers like quite a lot of that he's got red eyes and they're being chased in the corners he's like you think you're kind of scared i like it when i see the lights to go out and then you see like a scene where wall away just coming back from a hard day's work plumbing and barrio standing outside of his house with a crowbar and then cuts to black what louis he wakes up it's it's while we just had it as bad just give it time we'll explore this side of mario nintendo i'm sure of it we'll want to explore this side of mario hey moeller i'm a new subscriber really big fan of your content on the sequel trilogy and the unbridled rage series also a little fun fact that snippet of taiwan lanister laughing makes me piss myself every time yeah i need to find more places to put that in where he just goes huh because uh he's a he's a good lad taiwan you know the show died with him that's how it goes i mean literally well not literally figuratively because it was a fucking cliff drop with season five i think most fans agree with that like season four is the last one that you can enjoy the rest of them are like stressing you out how it just kept falling yeah there's still things to enjoy in five six and seven but eight is where they really tested you it's the battle of the bastards is the thing that everybody really likes and that was they they do well a lot of people enjoy it as a spectacle but it is a fucking nonsense fight well i mean each fucking corpse terrain formations boys yeah and oh this i don't want to talk about it but it kept topping itself because if you remember season five like pissed everyone off but then hard home happened and everyone was like okay all right game of thrones isn't over cool and um but but the wall episode of season seven that's where everyone was like okay what's going on why are you doing this to us why did why did we earn this we never got that answer like uh that's your thing right when normie people are talking about how bad something is just like oh yeah you done fucked it up oh yeah dude i've said it before and it's like memes my dentist just bringing it up i didn't even bring it up they were just like ah george came with thrones it's like new season shit okay i mean when you've lost the normies i feel like you've lost the war it's always funny when i talked to my friend knows and when they told me i like the the rise of skier walker and i was like why well it's funny yeah i like like legit legit he said like oh i like how you did all the pelvis i was like what are you why like close your life you survive it's like you can see there's no arguments you're doing feelings wrong stop it they're like yeah it's nowhere near as good as something like modern and great like the boys and the meldies and so i have to avoid having these conversations because i'll hear somebody say it was good and i disagree hardcore i'm just like yeah yeah i think it's pretty terrible but you know just try to move on oh i don't have any brothers talking about it but i keep it short because like i don't know i talk about this stuff line enough for me it's always to read the room thing if they want to go into it i'll go into it but if they're like i really i really enjoy season eight game thrones i'll be like yeah i mean you know it's fun yeah reading the room is important you see guys i don't take people's feelings all the time i let them keep them for the middle of box i like the idea to just reconfection lies that comic combined saying you ain't black and sucking the black out of that woman's skin sucking the fun out of somebody they're not allowed to experience fun you ain't black that was such a mistake it's uh it's wonderful uh hey mullet could you give a shout out to uh fan fiction project me and several writers are doing cold remnant of a rose slash iron rose and iron rose continuation okay fan fiction project check it out i guess uh it's gonna be about remnant of a rose slash iron rose and iron rose continuation i would suggest writing i don't know i'm not sure how i feel about fan fiction a lot of the time i'd just be like maybe just write your own stuff hey man depends on what they're talking about i mean it's cool whatever you're doing like i don't even know if it's good or bad i'm just that's just generally my perspective on uh on uh fan fiction i mean if you're challenging yourself to write like stories that could be the next continuation of that like world and keeping like where you want to that might be a fun challenge yeah yeah like i want to make sure that these characters are in character and there's no lore breaks and i don't introduce any uh problematic like technology or you know attributes or anything like that then you know i yeah in fact i don't even i don't even know what i'm saying i think i've actually had the idea of like i want to do like a metroid story where it's like wait you just don't do mother emin you just have like i don't know samus just going on adventures but being a little more unhinged that might be interesting for a little bit she goes to a planet where there's like a bunch of casinos oh i just mean like um just being excessively brutal to like the pirate like ripping their heads off and like he's racist black people black pirates specifically black pirates black pirates specifically she lets the white ones i like to be the life go out of the space pirates like we've only got what is it like 2026 days until we have to start talking about mando season two damn just remind me because somehow it was a space bounty hunter just got me on it's like oh fuck we're gonna have to we're gonna have to be the hot takers again and be like so the show isn't as good as everyone's saying it is guys man it's only prey two came out this is if only we got prey two that would have been so great if only star wars 1313 got finished but hey maybe mando season two will be good there's fucking weird ass rumors that uh he doesn't want to be a part of it anymore or he's getting booted out of it it's gonna be so weird to have the mandalorian without the mandalorian why wouldn't he want to be a part of it though well the rumor is right that he's annoyed that he doesn't get to show his face more but i don't i want to be careful with that because that's a really fucking stupid thing for him to say so we don't know if he actually is feeling that way i don't know about that i mean it might be that the production now is kind of shitty it could be a lot of things yeah he couldn't be pulling a ruby right stop just imagine signing up for mandalorian and then saying hey i want my face showed boss like you've seen again i don't know that that's how he feels about it but if he did that would be so stupid i i mean i wanted to not see his face at all in the show basically i'm okay with seeing it but not the way they did it and not in season one yeah yeah well i think you should be doing the master cheap thing where you just you know it could be anyone i think it would be really cool if we went the entire show without seeing it yeah i agree i wish we never thought that's what i want us to achieve space it's gonna be hard to write it though because you kind of needs to never be captured in order for that to happen yeah well about when we got captured and they let her keep all their shit dude what are you while you're referencing about what he got captured and they let him keep his fucking helmet on yeah that's true yeah i miss that one she's coming back it's fucking lame for our gauntlets why'd you guys let him do that man it's tinsan he's got so much technology that we didn't think about it his arbor like why'd you let him keep his arbor like i don't know just seemed like the thing to do least the music's good yeah like the music you know and we got we got my oh god i'm dead we got a bunch of pretty cool actors coming in for season two so yeah yeah should be fun over fat though concerns me dude mando season two concerns me yeah like right this this game feels weird to control i will say that what sonic game with bad controls also camera can be a nightmare sometimes what is sonic game with a bad camera and you know the camera and controls in marigames oh sometimes it's a dream it's certainly the 2d ones which is probably the same for sonic as well oh well yeah i mean so i like the 2d sonic games i hell of a lot more than i like the 3d ones i actually really have very favorable views of like sonic 2 sonic knuckles it's good games is it of the original cartridges for sonic knuckles i didn't i didn't have a genesis uh it's a mega drive over here oh yeah it is a mega drive over here but i always use like american terminology yeah i gained 60 dollars they're not 60 dollars they were a hundred dollars but 60 dollars makes no sense i need to buy a mega drive again because instead of all the games but some sometime i move my console got lost i have no idea when it got lost so it's really annoying to me because i play that shit so much it's a bunch of mega drive games i can't use them i need to buy one at some point yeah hold on to your old consoles like i'm so glad i held on to my game because i remember there was a where i wanted to trade it in i'm so glad i didn't game keeps it cool oh yeah it was cool it's just that at the time i wanted like a ps3 i think they're like no we don't take game cubes but game cubes will be worth a lot soon because there ain't a lot of them really there's they only sold like 20 million copies it's nintendo's lot of selling console uh other than the we use so hold on to your we you as well well we might believe what yeah the we the we you hasn't um you know this reputation isn't as is as i guess well there's that and also like most of its games being ported to the switch so yeah you know yeah i'm pretty sure there are like it's basically the same situation as like an xbox one the only game that you can't get this halo five and you know oh my god torturing that poor microphone on just move that dude it sounded like a fucking alien from alien or an alien from that movie oh yeah that's right oh now you've given it away it's all over they'll be able to figure that out for me there's like one alien movie um that woman's fist appearance was in a cw crossover true it was the else world's one right and the interesting thing to me is that um again we watched it because it was terrible not the well i mean we it was terrible and we watched this kind of a cousin i think um the the team up the big table the new warehouse all these characters and it's like damn ruby rose and supergirl are out yeah or you got that's all right we got this uh the the rest of this it's the power gone of courage is gone like courageous elsewhere it's fine and oh and the power gone of hope will soon be gone too i just i like the idea that they fucking look in the book and they're like you know what it wasn't you too it was these other two this whole time all right crisis is so bad make more of them please this is the thing that if i found out they cancelled all cw shows because they just crashed a bird i'd be like oh i mean i guess it all makes sense i feel like that that woman ain't get season three is what i would say i'm worried about that i'm worried it won't even get a fucking second half dude like so it's only i'm assuming it only got the first half or do you think that they're gonna pack their eggs in that basket at this point they're like let's focus on that woman ain't nobody packing your roses i know i think uh i think the flash is the one that's successful from what i understand so they're probably i don't know and yeah we were talking about it i think supergirl i guess it makes sense because that's probably got the most special effects isn't it um flash has a lot of oh i guess i meant out of the shitty ones like bat woman can be floated where supergirl maybe can't oh yeah i get what you mean um which is funny because supergirl's special effects and fucking garbage do you remember the leeroi did you think they're gonna try and transfer a bunch of the like main cast from supergirl over because they think people will want to watch bat woman more if it has you know maybe i don't know i could see them doing it you reckon yeah man just be like oh this is we saw a couple of them in the crossover event there's a lot of isn't isn't i don't was he martian manhunter i can't remember the one who could turn into yeah that's martian manhunter yeah he's a supergirl character right it's they're gonna want to move him over i assume well will they maybe he wants to move on to something else i mean i don't ever know with this shit i'm always like is this is what they maybe he's like but that girl's all i've got yeah which feels bad but if true how is bat woman one of the most successful cw shows i actually have no idea how it's doing monetarily like is bat woman doing well compared to the others or not uh i think it started off doing well just by virtue of the fact that it was um you know the newest one but i don't let me let me look it up i want to see it went down here constantly with every episode that's that's every show though every show kind of plummets is well not plummets but uh continues going down uh oh yeah so it started off it debuted with 1.8 million viewers and by the end of the show it was about 700 000 i don't know if that's normal but it sounds funny it more than half uh and the lowest rated episode had 630 000 viewers i mean i guess they'll they'll be testing it out on how it does with this new season it's a part sorry good luck bat woman we'll be there to support you i want to like it would be cool to get the actual number on how many people consume bat woman through us like it's got to be at least a like a good thousand right because i assume a lot of people are watching it and us and i don't know what do you reckon i don't i don't i don't think a lot of people are watching it and us i think they're watching us i'm sure yeah we probably have more of that yeah it's probably it's probably a lot higher than i imagine actually i imagine everyone in chat is actually about to say like yeah that's what i do yeah someone who's like people are excited for the our coverage of bat woman not like bat woman like we because but we're the ones doing all the coverage so i guess for us it's a little bit different like we're excited to do the coverage they're excited to watch the coverage because they see bat woman with our lens or through us so you know it's sort of different in that aspect i mean that's the thing right more people have watched uh i think like because i watch obviously j longbone and aziz coverage i think az misses out on doing a live reaction recording and then editing in the best bits and shit maybe we can um for the season two premiere we can get those two into a an e-fab mini recording be fun celebratory like welcome back everyone oh so what are you laughing at metal oh just the way you died was like oh that's right left right between the rails yeah i think there's there's some of them supposed to do to make this better for me but i don't quite understand it so i just sort of hope there we go it did it i'm so good at sonic sonic sornag mola play rose first and shadow last in order i'm not gonna play you kidding me i'm gonna play the sonic team through sonic heroes i'm not playing every team i'm not i don't want to kill myself okay like i'm playing this as a as a as a nice little throwback as i play am i dead i have two rings you fuck they killed me when i have two rings fringy that's against the sonic rules is it not yeah you can't kill some of sonic when he has a ring unless you get crushed by something i think i don't know either way i'm outraged rose team is good though excuse you sonic is the coolest fuck i died it's the coolest fuck um since you're playing sonic have you watched the bizarre modern reality of sonic the hedgehog good video with reacting to you but bizarre modern reality of sonic the hedgehog nope no idea what that is you guys know what that is no no no again i i don't really give that much of a shit about sonic the hedgehog like yeah i'm i'm sorry guys sonic is not in my my wheelhouse i'm all about that gay bowser oh yes sonic the hedgehog is well funnily enough next up in the dolphin roster is going to be luigi's mansion because not only is it one of the games are constantly played but it's halloween tizms it's lu gizm lu gizm's mansion yes they're one of my favorite old film memes lu gizm oh it's just me spelling luigi's mansion drunk right it's so funny lu gizm what was tell him the story of was was a you biblietumo was that you know it was bio it was bio yeah i think bio had a doctor's visit or something and he came back and wrote biblietumo he was supposed to write bible thumb which is an emote he instead wrote biblietumo good good times misspelling shit is is a good joke all right i stand by it watch hunter x hunter it's a great anime that invents inverts a lot of the common shonen tropes if you are into more mature content watch vinland saga i really like that by the way i i watched the video twice already i'm guessing vinland would be about uh about the the people you know the who went to our america right wasn't vinland that was the name of our the north settlement in um in america i don't rightly know is that what it is i think so i i never watched vinland saga shit would be other answers wow you're supposed to be our anime person for this stream i was here about it i've never checked it out no one ever recommended it to me to be honest i've heard good things i i thought it was like some live action show no it's an ornamey things i mostly ask vin for recommendations because we share the same tizems likeings i never mentioned i want one maybe i'll i'll give it maybe i'll give it a watch i think vin seen vinland saga i don't know i think i've heard him talk about yeah abusive robots hey mola could you give it oh it's a wait i've read that one i apologize um fucking old cool sex idiot mola and your best christvally say i shed the blood of four thousand sacks on men i fucking know that song it's it's epic as hell watching like this 95 year old man do metal uh everyone's gonna check it out it's christvally rocking his heart out despite being like he's just in a chair i think for most of it but it's actually rocking his heart out yes um yeah he's done stuff with uh rap sapphire as well this is a cool dude cool stuff it's an interesting song then go listen to the heavy metal album he made at the age of 91 yeah see good holy it's my way to talk about anime i watched uh mob psycho 100 season one and two recently i watched guren lagann for the first time and i'm finally watching berserk all the way through all the way through the new one not the new one the old one okay all right from what i've heard is isn't it only season one is the good shit berserk is uh yeah because i've seen season one it was the good shit yeah isn't it more than one season of berserk i don't think i don't think well fucking either way the season ends in such a manner that's like man i'm looking forward to seeing the rest of this and then as smiley was like no that's it has a horrible history with adaptations yeah like this and like that and then the what was it 2016 version which was uh um yeah so most yeah you're mostly just better off reading it i've seen how does new berserk looks i don't know what the fuck they were thinking so fucking bad i don't think they were thinking clearly you don't understand style just fuck up one style i would like on again that is style yeah um all i ever hear is people say guren lagann so i'm choosing to believe that they have the right pronunciation and and you're a pretentious person well no one actually said it to me so i'm just guessing which one's correct you're here i'm fucking your time to shine boy uh speak for all of anime style yeah let's go with that like i said i've heard that so many times is uh guren lagann but that means all those people probably wrong i don't know what you're talking about let that be i guess talking about weeb shit bro i think most of whatever mean shit you can watch like the stakes just go oh i don't care it's awesome yeah it's pretty much sonic is such a weasel you can do it buddy i believe in you weasel it's like i'm a hedgehog man let's do his shields real strong okay i'm gonna tornado you buddy get shracked get shracked um been listening to efab at work for the past four weeks and only up to 30 but loving every bit of it have some rhino milk on me boys oh juicy rhino milk is is milk juicy um some of it i mean i'm like drinking it you're like what's what's going on there buddy juicy milk milk should be juicy uh says at this point i think i'd be a better writer hi uh i guess that was meant for me um i don't know what we were talking about at that point but yes would you guys cover the many a true nude videos arguing fallout 4 is better than we thought i don't know enough about fallout 4 no i don't hear enough about fallout 4 and it's been ages since i even heard those words so i uh yeah i'm not the one to go for that one i found it strange what's that oh no you got oh it's just i feel like fallout's probably overrated it's kind of like at least from what i understand three onwards but not the first two i've heard a lot of good things about the first yeah i really enjoyed three i love new vegas four was four eventually got to be really good after you modded the shit out of it oh fallout 76 was a fucking abortion not to fuck it is that game better now 76 we did i've heard it's better are we dealing with that again i guess that destiny tool all over again that's better i thought you're gonna reference i thought you're gonna reference uh no man's sky oh well that's your yeah but but it seems like they've gone above and beyond anything oh sure yeah that's not yeah it's not a corporate thing that one it's a beloved developer you know it's became way bigger than uh than they ever thought it would be yeah i'm willing internet historian videos change my mind completely on all of that so it's good shit and yeah give no man's sky another try everybody who considered maybe doing that i've heard it's pretty neat now and they're still going they could have taken your money and ran and they did yeah and the funny thing is uh that was the theory until they like poked their head out because they just knew that social media is just it's not a good idea yeah just get your heads down they could never make another video game ever again if they didn't fix this i mean of course the the thing that internet historian talked about is like the potential is obviously dissolving their company and starting a new one and then just trying to maybe work under an alias i don't know this is funny i have a friend who liked the initial release of uh no man's guy i was like oh yeah i didn't hear anything about the hyper anything i just bought the game i thought was fine yeah that's like how do biscuit was one of the first people to call that that game was over hyped um he was on point about a lot of things yeah i mean i i wouldn't i i never got into it i just kept hearing about it and i was just like all right and it was like the game that will change the gaming landscape forever and i was like i doubt it yeah very cynical about that sort of thing i was i was very much interested in it but nowhere near enough to like buy on release or without knowing more like much more i mean by now it's rare that i buy a game at release anyways yeah and it's just select games so like like from software games the most solid release pretty much are you buying demon are you buying a playstation 5 and demon cells and or not at launch yes no rush on that one i actually tweeted out i said i think i tweeted probably gonna be a tourism just by the new playstation for god of war because that's all i care about yeah it's still a year away so yeah there's just plenty of time yeah there's still this little this little hope it might might maybe come to pc well i mean they're they're bringing more stuff to pc exactly dude i would be thrilled if that would happen demon cells probably gonna come to pc well i don't know about that one actually because yeah i don't know oh yeah uh no interest in getting a console in general it's just select title of games i mean if i would have a playstation i would obviously get like at the demon souls remake and probably bloodborne if that only releases on playstation i guess i mean if i have to console i can i obviously gonna use it but yeah not anytime soon definitely not at release i mean good luck getting one anyways because people are yeah scalpers it's the same with like the dnp video stuff people are going to know they're all fighting their asses like oh they all the all those retailers have to are using cheap things because they have those guidelines that are really whatever it's like oh we use four of the cheap ones that are 302 and no systems are failing because of that because they can handle the the voltage or whatever it's like yeah just just don't just it's like with video games just wait it out i'm probably gonna end up building a new computer here next year and it'll have a 3090 not sort of thing but no rush to it at all yeah no if we not lend anything from xbox 360 red ring of death can you can you not just say if we not lend anything and then just keep going back decade by decade yeah especially now that's already leaked leaked uh i wanted to call those those work guidelines what uh like the release tree uh where they show road map road map thank you that's the one uh that is like good if this is going to be like a 3080 with 20 gigs of VRAM instead of only 10 now this is already leaked that it's going to come out at some point it's like yeah yeah i feel like it's a good idea to wait for the ti's in general yeah that's very likely it's going to come out plenty of people long yeah which is probably going to be somewhere between 3070 3080 i think what will be uh the AMD graphics cards i'm uh just gonna see what they do all right yeah probably a good idea i'm gonna do the the i think in october like soonish like in two three weeks maybe i don't know yeah just uh wait it out see what happens probably gonna be cheaper when i'm gonna buy it eventually so yeah man this boss is hard he's uh oh he's doing his best he's really trying he got stuck so long gay boss i think so someone might get mad at me according but mini boss okay sub petty minion boss there you go it's all sorted now yeah what i'm getting is if it's a console a graphics card if it you gave just wait if it's an anything just wait it is a noun yeah especially with like expensive stuff like graphics cards you don't want to waste seven hundred dollars yeah i think that's broken or you're gonna get cheaper in like a month or yeah you waited a long time you you've waited years for this series so you know cool your tits don't you know you can wait a little bit longer to make sure that you know all the testing's done and you don't get all the issues that might come with the you know first batch that comes out you know that stuff and everybody who's just like yeah but they're so so cheap those like they're not cheaper the 20 series was just super expensive yeah the 20 series was just like not good at all and no one bought them so i think i'm good at all they weren't a good value and nobody bought them so yeah so a lot of people with those 1070s and 1060s out there gonna get a big fucking upgrade if they go with these 36 parts yeah has anyone by chance seen the bit with video where he goes to a to a to a store but they were camping outdoors for a week just to get a hands on one of those graphics cards and get like super little stock anyways it's like insane i have not they were they were camping in front so people that wanted like one of those graphics cards they were camping almost a week before they were released in the stores and they almost made like a little village made like rules like who was there if you don't come back in an hour you can make it put off the list that you weren't that you were next in line it's like it's like insane it was interesting to watch though but still man imagine camping in front of an electronics store like a micro center just to get a graphics card for a week well it's gonna let you play all your favorite games in hd which are commonly games that like don't even remotely require something like that like a lot of people talk about i guarantee you most of people who have those those 30 90s they don't even have a 4k or 8k screen like i still have 1080 you don't have to have a 4k screen to see difference like on my 1440p monitor if you play at 4k there is a there is a noticeable noticeable difference that it looks nicer all right is that worth the the ratio though as in you're paying for something that's able to output at x and you're choosing x negative because of other hardware and i think one mouth touching on that in spirit is more sort of do with the fact that most people even know where of this yeah you would have to have like to get obviously getting a true 4k monitor will give you better stuff um so a a a 1440p monitor that is playing games digitally that are 4k there will still be a difference um i mean i i guess it's up to you in your eyes and what frame rates you want i mean it's all it's all a give and take so but yeah but downscaled for uh there's a maniacal foreigner says generally downscaled 4k looks better than upscaled 1080p like um like with uh the phantom pain when i played middle gear solid five i played it in 4k because it was locked to 60 fps anyway uh reload reload wait now it's is it now it's actually dead is that what you're about to say i did a reload that showed again wait are you on a on a pause screen just yeah yeah i will i will move up and down on it i think we're good yeah yeah you should be fine i'm waiting for it to move up and down to know all is good yeah okay yeah we should be yeah i'm up and down refresh that bitch um finally play down these are the docs and just here to inform you that you will be paying for my therapy yeah it makes sense hopefully we get that kind of experience with the new one uh rate the kings of westeros one through ten starting with agon the first no more like gay gone let's just do it off the cuff um though i will talk about how uh i can't remember who stream was was was talking about how um tywin was like the best leader for the for westeros and i got loads of pushback like he was a psycho he would have gotten everyone killed probably not just like oh man you understand war time tywin as long as his family are taken care of his investment is making a kingdom that functions properly like he doesn't actually want everyone dead and have his family standing above them the whole reason he did the red wedding king of king of shit you know yeah uh he wanted the red wedding to be done to avoid more body counts and destruction i mean also to win but still it's like it's uh it was a good move and um i think he's constantly seen specifically as absolute villain and it's like okay but uh different circumstances it wasn't he like this isn't in the show but when he was handed the king for aries um he was like he was like beloved throughout the kingdom people thought he was fucking great use the ghost as steps i don't even can i do that oh great oh good that's it this level there's a lot of things that admitted me at this level like you gotta reset it's horrible we gotta push through the part of the deal howdy rags hello i want to say thank you for everything i was going to drive my colvette going over 200 and go off a cliff two years ago oh shit uh then i found you you helped me become a better person i can't thank you enough oh wow um i'm glad you're okay and i'm glad things are going well uh thanks for thanks for letting me know hope things uh continue to be good uh well yeah thank you very much glad i could that i could help you know uh shadow can be one of the best characters when he's well written unfortunately he's kind of just evolved into edge road you know it not one of the best characters get out of here don't deny shadow the the future that he was owed like movie bob all right yeah trump stole shadows halloween you fuck shadow should be on mars by now mars think about that i like how friggy would even entertain the possibility you guys just viewed blatant bigotry how does it feel bigotry against hedgehogs absolutely hey listen sonna yeah i think shadow the hedgehog can agree that bigotry is not cool could you imagine ps a starix shadow the hedgehog hey it's not cool to be racist you know it isn't cool grab it ak-47 and shoot racism that's a way to do it did i hear racism yes you did that erection is warranted sonic hedgehog says no to trans rights oh no i can't say that he wasn't always just an edgy character up isn't his inception in the shadow the hedge his inception is edge yeah it's like savage oppress just like how with uh when they were doing their mood mood board for credo it's for god of war one the one in the middle was brutal that was their word for shadow it was edge it was just a picture of the edge of a table yeah like when writing him you have to write him while on the edge of the table that's like if you need it to work that way okay respect shadow fringy you fuck no wow as if edge is always bad okay all right yep that's exactly what i said the true hot takes come out at the end fuck yeah uh shadow you mean edgy the hedgy this isn't a super chat they fall it was saying stolen joke also high rags you had some dog oh hello thank you check out edgy the hedgy and besides jokes were meant to be stolen oh of course you don't tell them so that that was the only time they're ever heard yeah spread that shit they're funny they should have called it edgy the hedgy instead i would have bought that shit yeah that would be way better all the day i'm edgy the edgy the die hard shadow fans would have been like no you're ruining you're ruining shadow you're making him cringe stop he was so cool he had a gun even sonic boon makes fun of the fact that he's just edgy and that's it like i'm sure there's more to him than just that but the idea that he's one of the greatest characters ever written is like holy fuck just say we don't quite believe it that's all check out ronald the barbarian tis a foreign mature animated film i still think ronald is a funny name just saying i know there was some cartoon dave the barbarian but i can't remember if it was good or not i never saw it dave uh hey guys i was wondering what you uh look for in a guest for efap what do we look for in a guest ranks oh willingness to come on and actually like talk about stuff what a high bar we like it when they're like when they want to pay attention when they've got stuff to say when they're ready to participate in the conversation um they don't you know people who are ready to talk about stuff and things and like i i guess just willing to have a conversation about topics that we could discuss back and forth they can't be dismissive and you know but basically like yeah we don't have a high bar we really don't i mean they show up and they want to talk about things and we way prefer guests who talk too much than guests who don't talk like at all really uh you know really high bar yeah of course it would help if they have an interest that is going to be relevant to some way media coverage like their channel kind of represents it and then this is kind of an elusive one but has chemistry with us if possible that'd be great if not then you know unfortunate but what can you do someone asked me why shadow doesn't work like a monster so i i figure it goes without saying right shadow the hedgehog could obviously potentially work because there are no bad ideas or at least that's kind of like the position i like to uh subscribe to but let's get real what are the odds that an edgy hedgehog in a video game like sonic the hedgehog which is meant to be like goofy adventures how is that ever not going to come across as totally stupid and i think someone was a tragic backstory being black and using guns makes shadow a bad character and only edgy being black i mean a tragic backstory it's all framed through the ledge of he is an anthropomorphic hedgehog like it's really hard to take it seriously and what was this tragic backstory he was made of like a space station and he was in love with maria i just want to pause you right there you can continue right along i just want to so i use the tornado move or whatever you want to call it on a lot of the enemies and i couldn't i knew that this this this part carries on as soon as i've killed them all and i was like where did one of them go he got he got stuck on the chandelier look at that little boy go what go anyway carry on um well i like wasn't i i now because again i i have not played sonic adventure two i've just heard many many things wasn't his whole backstory that he was like created in the lab and was alive for 50 years and there was someone called maria who was like his girlfriend who he loved and then he sacrifices himself at the end of the game and talks about maria as he falls down to earth and then he actually no just kidding he is alive like wasn't that basically the story of shadow i'm sure that there's so much context that i'm missing um that was mildly sarcastic i don't think that the context is going to help that much it's an incredible story and you're trampling all over it your hatred i can't believe you're making fun of the only hedgehog that could run faster than the speed of dark speed of dark yeah the first speed of dark it was assumed he was dead but no but he was so cool and edgy that they had to bring him back i mean that's basic that's probably what it was he's unironically like a fan favorite and yeah no i know he was built to be there yeah he is fan service you know if there ever was such a thing so i am 14 and this is deep he's a he's a dark eye shadowy figure i think that's true i love how sort of listening to this might have been like enjoying all the other discussions like why this why are you hating so hard on shadowy hedgehog well because you never know what's going to happen at e-fab that's why moving speed of black like a hedgehog around so lady jay is going to be on e-fab well yes happened today because obviously these are still back in in in back to the future these these ones uh you should get robert mayer bonnet as a guest i'm afraid i am i i know that uh the the the phantom menace lads have interacted with with this person and they're they rep they they're they're involved with comics in a significant way i'm just i'm i'm unaware of all the intricacies and significance of that i'm so but but you know possible in the future play abe instead of sonic same levels but baby mode you think this game will fully defeat me maybe mode that doesn't know cool yeah i want to play as edgy the hedgy baby mode i should have played a shadow in front of the hedgehogs because no to babies it's not like the hedgehog fucks babies oh no is is edgy the hedgy the hod mode of this game because everyone's saying the rose and team team rose or whatever of the easy mode i'm assuming that's the case why is it for all the girl players because the girls so shit at video games exactly that jump oh sonic the hedgehog says girls are shitty at video games i'm right there what is happening it's all very chaotic um okay so i just looked up some cuts through sonic adventure two there's a scene where like shadow is in a tomb and maria is there and he's like maria and she says this is their literal dialogue shadow i beg of you please do it for me for all of the people on that planet sayonara shadow the hedgehog maria i still remember what i promised you for the people of this planet uh what did he say oh no i he screams i promise you revenge revenge is in capital letters you just don't understand the content mate that's all it is and isn't the plot in that game that like people think that sonic's causing mayhem but it's shadow they don't look alike one of them isn't wait isn't that the plot of super mario sunshine yes yeah it is that was fucking that game too i just don't do yet but at least at the beginning it's just a silhouette as opposed to this game where they're very different characters all those all those people on that island of races they think all italians are the same even yeah it's really fucked up dude and uh nintendo haven't apologized for it kind of disappointing you know you'd think they of all would would have the balls to stand up and do what's right come on guys we could yeah i'm further than ever with this amount of lives i can i can do this i can beat the spooky levels i'm sure of it what is this place it's like they when they were recording they knew what they were doing this is gonna be goofy shit guys wheel and that's how you're supposed to say the line is that all the emotions just listed randomly uh wouldn't be funny if abby's model was replaced with jared i mean i'm not gonna say it wouldn't be funny oh fuck not died yet must be good uh me an intellect utile why do they need to kill ali fireflies destroy the child corrupt them all well it worked out you know i'm sure we'll get a the last of us three and it'll it'll make it all come together not right like they're not gonna make it otherwise i don't know it was it was a success monetarily right yeah but does that i don't know i'm sure the four was a success that's probably the last one for a while well that company be around long enough considering like all the internal stuff that's happening no no definitely be around like for sure nor do you don't get hugely successful and they still have a really good reputation i guess my thing is more of like would they really make another last of us game i don't think they will but i could be wrong i want to fight it i want them to make something new something that's a little bit more gamey but i don't want them to touch jackie daxter at this point well we don't want anyone touching anything really that's just how everything works at this point everything's gonna get worse leave it all alone now go make your own crash for evidently yeah that was a nice surprise though right um well yeah it was um but it's really good and and it's hard i'm playing the last second uh it's probably too early talking about these sorts of spoilers for those of you who are super into the crash band more of which there are many there is time traveling this game and it does the thing i don't like but uh you know it's a goofy little game so whatever crash band again oh my body is unlocked oh no i'm okay guys i'm okay uh the last of us sales dived off a cliff most game sales tend to go really far down on the second week though so i don't know and the game is very successful like i'm sorry you can't you can't convince me otherwise that game was hugely monetarily successful as but i mean you know critically that's gonna be you know puff the fans hate it doesn't matter if it's like a we know they're aware of that so they have to be gotta be fucking kidding me man wasting those lives don't laugh sonic we're doing bad okay buddy um invite the snog tank crew on who the snog tank crew that sounds familiar that'd be chris ray gone right uh anyone else you remember or just him no all right jad is bringing up that the um the sale drop off an amount of returns uh returns made records oh and sales always list the sales sold the stores not the ones sold to that made it to customers but sales sold to stores are the profits of the game ultimately made yeah so i'm i do wonder because i heard it had a huge drop off with the second week it was like 80 something percent it was like crazy i mean it didn't also set records in terms of sales yeah i'm pretty sure it was like the fastest selling playstation four game this game's scaring me now like it i'm so close to killing myself all the time let's sonic take care of this just when i'm not doing that i uh what is what am i supposed to do with this question mark help speed i don't want to use the ghosts as steps to move along sanic yeah care of it things it seems to want me to use okay someone asked me how i feel about silver another terrible idea it's no use it's no use it's no use good time there's a boss that can stun lock you to death how do you do that the iblis trigger that was the whole thing right sonic was the iblis trigger um people's name like oh use hobing attacks like you saw that shit it worked three times and then it didn't work the fourth time what do you want me to do it's like i'll play a better all right it's the hardest part it's like it's like doxel i'm just gonna get good my opinion is uninformed yes i know it is i don't care about sonic the head chug law thank you got me wow talking about sonic the head chug law without knowing fuck all about it classic freemant what a dingleberry fuck give me a ring give me a rag ow stop flattening me with your giant flip flappers um thoughts on the boogie fiasco on related note rags i just found out arkansas is a duty to retreat state i'm so sorry for you right what oh is it to do with the fact that somebody rocked up to boogie house his rags not there ragu okay well yes it's probably about the boogie thing with the gun that hilarious picture uh oh but yeah um a lot of people have been discussing whether or not he's in any trouble for it i guess we'll find out i don't hugely care uh it was really weird of the person to show up there and do that um and from what i understand boogie overreacted uh i don't know the problem was that he shouldn't have shown it on the internet like that was a bad idea this shouldn't have just been something to do with the police right yeah i think so but um yeah i don't know about the the duty to retreat apparently boogie threatened to kill the guy on our kim stars channel ah that's probably what got him then yeah it's wouldn't i get him in some trouble like a week or two since i since i've seen about this i think they were like i guess it's drama lord i don't think kim says anything else right right uh it's like yeah if you ever show up i would probably kill you some oh i mean that's probably like a normal thing that somebody would say right yeah and then the person i don't even know what the fuck that is i should have no idea but he looks insane if you ask me so i'm not surprised he's not like his twitter presence is like insane as well so i don't know what's in this logic is by just going there it's like yeah i mean stupid thing to do yeah property like okay what do you think is gonna happen you could it could be dead now like legit it's like what are you doing fuck no why does my life suck and he showed up he was filming i think he was filming it actually or live reading and or something i actually don't i don't know but yeah it's uh yeah that's yeah there's just not a lot to say about it it's just like i guess the the legal tisms that'll happen will happen i can't know that it was an overreaction for sure without i guess being in that situation and knowing what happened um but yeah don't go to people's houses it's fucking weird without staying yeah knuckles stop chuckling and learn how to drive so you can escape the egg terminator you're almost a grown-up oh yeah you need to be if you're if you're a grown-up you gotta be driving what do you mean metal you're talking about such a weird moment for me it's like you're a grown-up but you don't know how to drive it's like uh why'd you keep saying it that way it's weird so i'm gonna kill the fast one you can do it there you go fuck i lost all my rangs why did you do that knuckles break through a wall give me some rangs this game looks so fucking clunky on it's a nightmare kind of oh no i always lose rangs on this bit i'm so gonna die all right i run it game with clunky controls perish the foot i like how it's just covering shitty on sonic eventually well like i'm being watched by a fuck you stupid auto ring thing one of the other stupid fucking characters picked up a stupid fucking ring which means i can't use it to home on and move to the next area fucking fat ass knuckles over here just picking up the rings like i hate it i hate it so much because it was causing me so much trouble throughout but you have to tap b when you see a ring and it trails you along all of them but one of your other characters can accidentally pick them up oh cancer why must you do this um oh yeah wait rags you here yes i am i'm here someone said thoughts on the boogie fiasco and on a related note i just found out that arkansas is a duty to retreat state and i'm so sorry for you uh i'm fine with the idea of duty to retreat it's not often what it's portrayed as so it's not like you have to run away it's just one of those if you know if you can't if you can get away reasonably you have to but it's pretty much what it is when it comes to the boogie thing i don't know enough of the facts right now um i i think it was just two two losers quite frankly i don't care who wins in whatever upcoming legal thing that happens with it maybe boogie boogie probably definitely boogie fucking overreacted there's no reason for you to fucking go and say just go inside just go inside and just stay inside i do just go inside and stay inside the guy didn't have a gun right came to your house and is bugging you and if you need to call the police call the police if they don't leave but the idea that you're going in and getting a gun and firing a warning shot like boom he's gonna he's gonna fucking sue your ass for use of a deadly weapon and he's gonna fucking win because why are you wearing shot is it a deadly weapon fire warning shot that's what i heard the guy but the weird thing is the guy didn't have a gun right or am i misremembering this no just on the property so like why wouldn't boogie just call the police and say this dude he's a fucking idiot boogie's the mentally unstable fuck with wait okay so so because from what i remember from what i remember about this story what happened was somebody showed up at boogie's house and there was the video of them like ringing the doorbell and that was what happened i'm guessing that something's happened after this now like what you're talking about is what's followed probably this was part of the whole incident as far as i'm aware okay so he so he's like legit in a lot of trouble then if he's possibly that's what i hear i don't know yeah i mean if i was in boogie's shoes i would have just gone inside and stayed inside and carried on with my life and if the guy didn't leave i would have called the cops i was like yeah there's this dude at my door he's like fucking harassing me like you can't just hang out at people's doors and not leave and bug people like that's that's that's i know the word doesn't yeah i know the word doesn't have much meaning anymore but that's actually harassment you can't do that to people it's fucking rude you can't fuck with people on their property in front of their doors and stuff you can't do that shit whether or not you can or can't you absolutely shouldn't yeah you certainly shouldn't you should never go to a youtuber's house i mean you shouldn't harass anyone but especially not like a youtube or anything like that wait why not especially a youtuber oh because of the you know it's their popularity and their ability to amplify all the stuff that happens and there's oh do you mean like they'll like it's not a good idea to go for them because they can be a new kind of uh part of it and they can make it a big deal and they can amplify the whole event and when it happens and that could get caught up in new circles and it's probably bad for you yeah um i think that makes sense it's um but maybe they're sick of it from other people so they're gonna be really uh they're gonna they're gonna overshoot it with uh you like boogie clearly did yeah boogie's an idiot um i'm an interesting note that a lot of western mobile games have a lot of pay-to-win mechanics a quite a bit of successful easting games mostly for the waifu and husbando thoughts on the two difference what a weird way to write all of that a lot of western mobile games have a lot of pay-to-win mechanics and quite a bit of successful eastern games are mostly for the waifu and husbando so the dichotomy is western mobile games of pay-to-win mechanics while successful eastern games are for the waifu and husbando nobody tell them about gacha games i don't know i don't yeah i have like no idea but i don't know what any of those words mean uh oh am i dead fuck y'all are questions someone's this is an y'all question hi rags hello now that the proud boys are a w s group is chanting usa a dog whistle if so usa usa usa also please watch shrek is love shrek is life on youtube shrek is love shrek is life it's the the animated vision of the green text right it's terrifying yeah um yeah i'm sure you can chant usa without it being a nazi dog whistle he's for a few more days yeah more days there once was a dog named rags who fell for a man in a mask he asked for his seed and then he took it leave never mind rhyming is gay ross that's that's that mm-hmm just just ended just like that uh hey mola just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work keep it up mate hot why thank you and uh i'm glad you folks are enjoying it even with all of our hot takes these people still listen to us can you believe it no what did i tell you sorry uh doki doki literature club for efap gaming dumbo's it looks like that's gonna be the new thing what why i don't know because hodko henry eventually happened i guess but i already know what happens in that one that game was spoiled never mind why are you trying to ruin it with you what the fuck yes apparently it's very spoilable and he doesn't want us to look at anything to do with it got it all right yeah so i was going to say that game was very much ruined for a lot of people because it got so it was a fad mm-hmm that scoop scooby-doo live action for efap movies when i don't see why we wouldn't do that eventually that's that's quite a movie you know i'm really man yeah i just remember mr bean is in the yeah row and atkins in a robot but he was trapped in a well because of uh that movie is so weird it is that's an odd one yeah oh no it's spooky i think that they're talking about when i switched the avatar for the first time revealed vamp molar to the world terrifying stuff yeah i still like shadow got a tattoo of him that might have been a bit much play team dark this game is frustrating as hell but nostalgic okay the nostalgia for me is pretty much entirely ward off i'm just trying to beat it at this point which is going to take a while because i find it to be quite cancerous and you know what that's a combo of the shitty mechanics and how shit i am at the game um did you hear buggy fired a gun at quintin when the guy's name was quintin oh do you mean he looked like quintin quintin fuck could you imagine it was quintin reviews who could want to visit him i this is insane like this story how it's evolved yeah oh geez uh i like one anime is fun to them a break from subverse to them um hey animes can be subversive yeah they subvert your expectations right here one punch man oh yeah that's a good example i love one person season two er said to those not worthwhile and that's not reassuring at all it's a shame i love that it really to me feels like i shouldn't watch it just to not sell a season one yeah probably don't let's chat react into that we'll have to have a look see let's see what everyone's saying i that shouldn't that shouldn't be a heart taken if it is i'm ashamed of you chat about uh about one punch man season two uh my father was watching big bang theory the other day i overheard a character say that indiana is not impactful to the plot of raiders please tell this is incorrect big bang theory indiana is not how how does one say that well hang on a second not being impactful to the plot could mean a lot of things anyway like i'm assuming they mean his wants and desires and actions don't define how the plot moves in which case i'd be like you have to be wrong like i don't know how else to fight it um but even if a character wasn't the one that was pushing the plot necessarily it doesn't that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing well finally enough that's like my my new video oh my god i did see oh by the way just for clarification because i saw some people saying character development isn't when characters change it's when characters are multifaceted it's both it can mean both or one or the other these definitions are not helpful it's kind of the point i'm trying to make yeah is that's a tough one like what does it mean for a character to develop it's like um i suppose because if a character believes in x and they go on a whole adventure that reaffirms x is right you could argue that they have developed and yet not changed so it's like i'd call it development under the assumption that their beliefs about x and all that like have been challenged repeatedly and they found nuances and you know that kind of thing complicated one but i imagine the big thing behind that video for me was just the people shitting on static characters is a bad well it's frustrating because there are many static characters who are better than dynamic characters um or more and it's the idea that i'd rather have a static character than a character whose development makes no sense like i'd rather that fucking jack sparrow like correct me if i'm wrong but jack sparrow's whole appeal is that he is jack sparrow a lot of uh a lot of your types of like your prior row he's static he's very static um pretty much any show at home yeah pretty much any like detective story where it's one detective going on like adventures in every new book it's usually a static character i'm a simpson basically every sitcom character ever um yeah as much as they will learn lessons those lessons are pretty much not relevant soon after me i'm pretty sure your family guy did a joke about that so did you learn something today nope but yeah uh watch the new video i like it but i made it so i would say that it's like i like my video like boy dog but it's good to have pride in your work right yeah i guess so i absolutely think so well that's one of the things we do in efab we're like hey no you know you're with know what you've done don't don't shy away from being like hey i worked hard on this fuck good riding can't be taught i disagree um i know that steven or steven king's position is that um a mediocre rider can become good but that a bad rider can never become good oh it can never become mediocre i think god damn it i can't remember it was in his it was in his memoirs he was talking about how he believes that there's like four tiers of riders there's bad which is most then there's um then there's decent which is a larger portion but you know but less then there's good which is the smaller one and then there's like excellent which is you know super rare that's his position but i don't get it what do you mean good riding can't be taught what would it be at that point just luck well yeah i mean exactly right i i i mean i do i do think that like people have innate uh you know preco like it's probably not the right way you know people are innately better at some things than other people but i don't think it can't be taught i mean surely like and plus i would rather advocate for a world in which you can learn to become good at anything um talent is inherent craft is taught yeah i mean yeah why would we want to give up and be like well you can't teach it anyway it's like wow yeah because i've seen i think i saw an artist who said yeah no i think being good at artists like you're born that way and i'm like no i think i think i think you learn i feel like learning is way more important than whether or not you're naturally good at something it's like it's like the natural and then the multiplier is is what you're taught almost yeah but i mean surely we would like i would like to believe though that even if you're not naturally good at writing that you could potentially become like the greatest writer ever i just prefer the world where we believe that anybody can be whatever they want really as long as they work hard enough the american dream well the dream for everybody really yeah still a good dream uh and that's it for the uh the super chat catch-up ones um which means we've got a block now that are entirely this episode and uh i don't know how long our crew has in them um i don't have an hour and a half before i have to hop off i in terms of like energy i don't have much i had a very i don't like going on today and yesterday just stuff so just been a weird couple days for me um just for just sleeping and getting energy and doing stuff and being in and out and stuff but we covered a good video today i really like that i'm i'm legit excited to see this part too i i'm very curious what a a post rise of skywalker patrick willams has to say after he said all that yeah i mean it's gonna be a ride and i think maybe we will try and get a bonus e-fap in here somewhere because the fact is we're actually behind on our overall quota anyway of we got i think i think we're only we're like one behind our overall or something so we'll probably maybe try and shove an extra we also got to do a meme fap recording so yeah that would be yeah well i'm definitely down for those um and uh yeah so maybe we'll do that and then pick these up on that that bonus episode or we'll uh we'll do um of course the catch up streams that we normally do um so yeah i guess we'll just we'll tie it off there just seems to make sense uh to do it like that so i guess uh we'll do some we'll do some plug-in shall we um who wants to i mean you know i can't choose between you guys can't put one first and one last i'm rags that's rags um you know what we'll go from from theo to metal to free that seems to make the most sense doesn't just buy colors yeah um i really don't buy which order it goes in but fuck it hey theo what do you make it what's the newest video you've released uh please i know uh stay away from my channel at least until i make something um hopefully i'm kind of working on a video it's dead in the water we'll try and trying to get back to it fuck it i don't know hi what is this video and why are you sharing your wrong opinions is a critique of devil may cry five uh oh i think it's the best game i've played in the past decade and my favorite game i haven't played so i want to talk to oh the correct perspective the correct i've heard it's uh heard it's really good it's fucking awesome man it's it is gaming game it is a gamey game and i love those types of games that's why i'm having so much fun with crash 4 i just want more gamey games that's it i've had a script that i've been working on and it's been vaguely ready that i've been working at for ages now i just need to actually record it and you know do the video making part of it and yeah awesome hopefully that'll happen at some point um metal you're next that's me hooray uh yeah i'm uh i will go back to to john wick soon probably on monday because i have monday and tuesday off so uh oh the video is releasing on monday that's so cool oh wow uh no because i've put that on hold because of all the moving stuff but now i'm settled in i i i see the whole uh the boys watching taking notes as a little gateway to go back into the to the notes stuff it's where it all begins notes notes notes notes yeah uh probably gonna watch that movie a bunch of times i can't wait uh yeah i gotta go back there uh uh between that i'll i'll stream uh i'll go back to streaming on monday which will also be the dranklet stream we're gonna do on monday so if you want to catch that live that's on if you don't use twitch it's gonna be on the archive channel on youtube gonna catch that what they're probably the next day and then i'll just go streaming working doing video gonna go to a full schedule do stuff that's about it exciting things ahead this is gonna be the busiest month of the year for us probably in terms of just doing things yeah we plan too many things at once that is true we're gonna do them all um yeah fringy what have you been up to so i made a video after like two years so go watch it and if you like it that's good um hopefully hopefully more eventually i'd like to keep making them um and then a couple other things but you know we'll get to them later well that's it yeah there you go uh exciting stuff as for rags myself uh you're up to you're doing the mandalorian tisms right rags yep that is the one outside of the other things i've mentioned like um do manipulation no is it it is do manipulation isn't it so that the double do marma getting the back-to-back mulans for efap movies um we got a couple of extra recordings are getting done as well as a few efap gaming is along the way and i'm gonna stream all of dark descent and then hopefully all of rebirth fun fun halloween flumps and then on halloween itself we got efap planned and possibly efap gaming it's gonna be a riot all of the spooks and the second we hit november 1st everyone will be sad because no more ghosts and vampires and werewolves and frankenstein there will only be thanksgiving time and that's only for like some of you in fact there's only one person here um myself working on some stuff i'll talk more about it i guess uh maybe next time or something once once more things have happened and more things are getting there with stuff uh what else is there that's about it efap will come back hope you guys had a lot of fun thank you so much for the um the fan art that we went through that shit's awesome we will like i said i've been collecting collecting lots of memes memefap will be coming as well as uh very kind donations and just hanging out with us hope you guys enjoyed the triple heart take even though you incessantly tell us none of them were heart takes we know that they are heart takes okay um and uh yeah i think there was a video and thank you j for for popping in um but that's about it anything else anyone wants to say before we we flump away take care set enough for them to digest i want to say wombo yeah that's that's good yeah wombo yeah again uh go go to a monk 13th twitch channel you can see a bit of us playing among us it's kind of amusing and hopefully more so in future because everyone's been asking it shall go um yeah that's about it so good night everybody it was fun we'll see you around bye