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We call him wet dream Johnson now The wet dream Johnson And then of course we're gonna go This is what the girls call you when you run that salt daddy game on and by the way We got to do we got to do an episode about the salt daddy game. That's awesome Yeah, we should get that guy on Rob the guy with the book too. He's even better than I am with it Shit man. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's cool future topic. Of course in the house The man mindset comm Steve the Dean Williams. How you doing man? Yes, sir. What's up? What's up? Lizzie good good stuff, man I'm actually opening up the phone lines right now Lines are open 9 1 4 2 0 5 5 3 5 6 again That is 9 1 4 2 0 5 5 3 5 6 if you have a question a comment About the topic that we're talking about or another topic if you need dating advice relationship Relationship advice. We are all here for you. So today's topic is about nice guys finishing glass why Nice guys finish last or do nice guys finish last now We're a red pill guys, right? And we are certainly myself. I believe that nice guys finish last but there are very They're varying degrees to this. It's not just do nice guys finish last. There are nuances. There are levels There are degrees. So let me start with you first Steve. What do What does the phrase nice guy finish last mean according to Steve the Dean and do nice guys indeed? Finish last. Hey, Donovan. Look, don't you talk about my workers? I Don't listen. Let me tell you something I'm not laughing. Hey, look, I love my cowboys and I love my workers And I don't feel like they nice guys. They just got a place in society. Oh, here we go No, they got a place in society. They somebody's got to buy the mills Somebody's got to drive a woman around. I always got to be a shoulder to cry on someone's got to put Halloween lights got to buy our dinners and drink buy us dinner, right? Right, right, right. They got to buy us dinner and stuff like that They got to buy, you know, they got to buy Anthony more hats and stuff like that. I mean, they are they are Defending when y'all call them nice guys. They are great guys. They're not nice. They're great Jesus Anthony, what are what are you? What's what's your take on this and I actually have something to add to Steve there As funny as that was that's actually kind of true. What what's your take on the nice guys? Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts on it I mean right away, you know, dr. Glover's book one of her speakers no more mr. Nice that comes to mind But my most fundamental thought I think is that nice guys are not really nice and actually so you mentioned You know, do they finish last a lot of times they don't finish at all and I don't just mean that sexually I mean that like in life an extreme example that would be would be getting literally cucked out of existence Like a woman like you're reading, you know about the news and stuff some dude has three kids that are not his He finds out 30 years later. He's fucking 65 years old. He gets angry and all that shit Rightfully, so you're getting basically your genes are getting removed from the gene pool against your will So I actually wonder if the saying, you know Nice guys finish last finish last really they don't finish it all most of the time I think and then also of course sexually in the deck, you know the data marketplace things like that they suck And they're not really nice and that's what dr. Gilbert talks a lot about is covert contracts Which is like I think one of the cornerstones of this fake nice guy persona. They're not nice Into the contrary real nice guys are much more have better boundaries the more masculine Covertate as I think a really good example this and that's one of the first things I noticed and my director and some of the guys I work with as I cover tastes super nice guy and I think even in his bio now He has I know something like that he's like nice guy and And you know, he's this fighter. He's this fucking bad boy He runs like a porn his porn stuff with cam stars and drives these cars and all the shit, right? Literally kicks dudes asses in the ring Whole champion, but when you hang out of them, he's fucking super chill dude Super nice guy if you're not some fucking, you know covert little scumbag lying to his face And he's a man And so I think the real nice guys are masculine men who actually have boundaries and masculinity and things like that and these fake Nice guys it finished last or not at all It's a really unhealthy way to live and yeah, they're not nice And that's why they ended up being passive aggressive dicks a lot of the time. Yes, there you go Then all this unconscious crap out into the world that could be openly it could be covertly It could be some combination of those things But yeah, a lot of guys who are nice and public even in our community are not very nice behind the scenes It's a it's a persona like in Jungian psychology and shit. That's fake and the real nice guys are much more You know stronger more visible usually I think Donald Trump for example super nice guy Yes, but then he's the biggest asshole on planet and I can see why a lot of people would think that I don't think that I think he's a nice guy doing he wants to fucking do which is part of being a true nice guy No, listen, I would agree with you and In my opinion as far as I'm concerned How can I put this what you said rings a hundred percent true When a man when a guy is what we call a nice guy within the construct of a sexual Relationship with a female or the pursuit of a sexual relationship with a female We call nice guys exactly what Steve calls them. These are the guys who these are the guys who expect Women to give them their sexual favors for their financial Consideration those are the nice guys. Well, I took you out to dinner. I was nice to you at dinner So you're nice to me in bed. Yeah, like it's like it's a punch card at a restaurant or something You know, you get free subway sandwiches. You help do so many nice things It's almost like forced loyalty, right? Yeah Someone helps you out and you didn't really ask for them to help you out But now you feel sort of indebted to them and Just because you took me out to dinner does not mean that I have to sleep with you And they're a hundred percent right but on the other side of that coin Just because you let me sleep with you does not mean then that I am obliged to take you out That's sort of a that's sort of a two-way street. Well, I want to add to Donovan like second Think about it sexually to like being a nice guy. What's being a real nice guy? These nice guys in bed. They suck They're super gentle. There's no there's no animal within them. That's being expressed and the woman hate that They feel resentful towards it. They don't like it. They get pisses them off and frustrates them Yeah, nice to woman being spanking the shit out of her You know a lot of maybe some yelling. Maybe some cursing. Maybe she's seen a screaming that you know, you're her daddy You know, you're her king All kinds of you know fucked up and aggressive stuff. It's not fucked up though It's really like what's inside you that you're expressing and that's being nice is being that being that king for them And being this pussy beta wimp is not very nice. It's very rude in a way It's insulting to her femininity and she doesn't like it like the way each of your girlfriend Donovan stamper ass Your name should I mean that to me is being a true nice guy is when you spank her and you do these things She fucking loves it and she loves you for it on top of that So it's a very healthy dynamic It's just counterintuitive some most guys don't get it on top of the propaganda of it Women and feminists and all this shit. Well, here's why it's counterintuitive Which which actually leads into what what we'd like what I'm what I'd like to get you guys opinion on first When we say nice guys nice guys finish last we're not really talking about nice guys What we're talking about is men without backbone finish last Who don't hold women accountable finish last reward women without them having earned the reward they finished last See what your thoughts on nice guys finish last what it actually means is that if you don't have the backbone to check your woman If you don't have if you don't stand up for yourself If you don't tell your woman Hey, cut it the fuck out if you don't check your woman. Those are the guys that finish last What are your thoughts on nice guy? Just being more or less shorthand for men with no backbone men who just let women walk all over them Well, yeah, I am I am a very very nice guy women love my kindness and how I am but It makes me an asshole was that I say no I can Easily say no I can easily say put her in her place I can check her at the door where a nice guy what he's gonna do is he's always gonna walk on eggshells because He knows any move I make that's wrong. I'm probably gonna lose her or he's already lost her And he's trying to do everything to try to win her and if you said They are always all they have no backbone no spine. They are afraid. I mean Even as far as approaching a woman You don't even know where she's a complete stranger and you're giving all that power to someone you don't know and Then on top of that when you talk to her because you don't know what you're doing You used like like Anthony said Boring question like the way I'm a tiny way Anthony was saying earlier The way the way you are outside the bedroom is the same way. She's gonna perceive you in the bedroom This is why a lot of these guys don't get women because when you're soft You're passive you act like a victim. I mean where you and we just play mommy characteristics Basically, she doesn't want to fuck another woman. I mean she wants to fuck a woman Yeah, I mean but she doesn't want to fuck a guy that acts like a woman who has no spine who can't defend his position Can't defend what he says and can't tell a woman to shut the fuck up when need be there You know, like how is she gonna trust you to be herself around you and to fucking submit to you and Embrace those things as elements of herself How is she gonna be your slut if she can't trust you and look at your little info if she can't trust you Be a man and check her and put her in her place and then let her do these things and encourage her and pull with things out Of her shut them down do all these things right to be in command of her Yeah, and if she can't trust you to do that in public and like social settings She can she sniffing that out basically she smells that and that's that weakness is gonna show up in the bedroom too One perpetuates the other okay If you don't stand up to your woman in private if you are afraid to check your woman in private She doesn't trust you because she's gonna think to herself Well, if he's afraid of me then how the hell is he going to be able to physically protect me now granted in 2019 women American Western women are rarely in physical danger like as a Female boyfriend or husband you are rarely going to be called upon as it were to defend her person Okay, you assault a woman man or a woman if a man or a woman assault a woman There are grave consequences and for that reason that is a deterrent for men people Etc to bring physical harm to women that being said there are still crazy guys out there There are still out there who there's still guys out there who it doesn't matter if they're a man or a woman They're going to attack these people and women need to know that they're with a man who can physically protect her Right. Well, even even in the context you're putting it which I agree with that's a very temporary window in human history Yes, her feelings and you know Evolutionary you know shit in the back of her head. None of that has caught up to the fact that she's not in constant physical danger Which for most of history she has been all of her ancestors were either no matter what happened getting pregnant with super dangerous getting birth The super dangerous walking around looking for food was super fucking dangerous animals would kill you The weather would kill you right other tribes would kill you men would rape you and that shit in America has gone Obviously in the West has gone, you know plummeted off a cliff But her brain doesn't know that so all the feelings the necessity for those feelings to feel safe and to feel Just like she's owned and that she can be commanded by this man. It was power. Those are still necessary It's her real quick before Steve goes. It's in her subconscious Not be sexually attracted to men who cannot physically protect her a man who cannot who a man who is Perceived to be a man who cannot physically defend himself or her person a woman cannot become Physically or sexually attracted to it just can't happen Steve. What are your thoughts? Well? Yeah, like like Anthony was saying man Women you see a lot of guys have to understand now. We always talk about women love dick All right, they love sex and they're dirty nasty and kiki as all y'all imagine them to be But they can't do that with every person right. We've got to feel out. They're like Anthony was saying man She doesn't know you but when she knows that you're nice She knows that you have this one thing that assholes have and that's options So that gives her an advantage over you because she knows that you ain't going anywhere Where you going? Who where who else are you gonna talk to go my way Steve? Go my way You're going Exactly and when you don't have those kinds of options that drives up her pussy It drives it up because you can't talk you handle everything like I said before as if it's a make or break Situation and she doesn't want that and like you said donovan as far as the security She wants to feel like when she's walking down the street with you She has nothing to worry about except pleasing you and enjoying your company and enjoying your time She doesn't have she doesn't want to worry that wherever she go. Oh my god She's a group of guys. You're gonna be the one cowering behind her dress or running off and leaving her to her own defenses So y'all both are absolutely right on this guys So what I'm gonna do guys actually found an article. I'm gonna bring it up here I found an article on a website called dating dynamics for men and the The oh look at this that oh look at that is actually going to let me put it on the screen. Give me a second so I can Okay, dating dynamics for men. Give me a second. Here we go. Oh wow. This is freaking. Oh shit that this This yes, this is crazy This is listen forgive us guys where we're we're we're tinkering with new software here But dude look at this look at that now, of course, I'm playing around now All of us are on the screen along with this with this particular article So the article is called 10 reasons nice guys finish last and like I said, it's on Dating Dynamics for men calm. I'll put the I'll put the link in the chat here Shortly but what I'd like to do is I'd like to read these 10 reasons Why nice guys finish last and I also and I would like all of us to sort of do like around Robin in terms of what our thoughts Are on each of those points guys keep in mind you guys can chat in your questions You can call into the show nine one four two oh five five three five six again That is nine one four two oh five five three five six if you're calling from outside of the US dial zero zero one Nine one four two oh five five three five six and we will get you on to the show as soon as possible I see a question there by The beach shucks or whatever we're gonna get to that in just a second, but go ahead and start this article We're gonna address this first one. So it starts off. It says after writing my first book I started getting hundreds and hundreds of email dating questions And I started to see the patterns of guys who were frustrated and hurt because of their lack of dating success Despite how quote-unquote nice they were I know this because I'm a nice guy too just like Anthony said Anthony said cobertate the nice guy Steve the dean says he's a nice guy this guy who wrote this article is a nice guy too But he says I found my way through the confusion and I have now compiled this top 10 reasons that being nice Won't get you the girl. So this is going in Ascending order we're gonna go from is descending in descending order. So reason number 10 lack of Leadership he says quote when you're busy asking her should I pick you up? Where should we go? What should we eat? She's busy thinking I don't care either Why can't you just be a man and make a decision for us the lesson? He says stop trying to handle her with kitten gloves Stop following her around like a lost puppy dog and learn to lead Learn to make decisions learn to surprise her and finally stop asking her for permission and approval Most women are very happy for you to lead each date like it's an adventure instead of being asked to drive the bus guys That is rife with red pill truth Steve you first man What do you get from this? No, I get a lot from that because I always tell guys It's not about the pussy for me It's about wasting my time if she's not gonna follow my Narrative of my agenda with the fuck I want to go on I have no use for her I will throw her ass back into the water and fish the next one right beside her You that's the problem with a lot of guys. They want to do everything They possibly can to try to please her because in their mind or with society or with these TVs and radios are taught them The the nicer you are to her the the more she's gonna give in and if y'all guys do not believe me I tell you all the time call your mom up today Tell her you love her and say mom I met a girl how should I treat her and listen to all the goddamn lies from your mother on how to do that? But a lot of you guys listen, but women don't want they always remember women may want you to open doors men women may want you to Buy them a rose and take them out They want that but like Donovan and Anthony's been saying they need somebody a need is over want guys What they need is somebody that's gonna put them in a place and tell them what to do I'm never going to ask you What you want to do and where you want to go well? I know you're either you're going to go there with me or I will go there and find somebody else to replace you Donald Anthony what you got brother? It's a couple thoughts on it So one of the things I think that red foam man or any man can forget about It's how perceptive women are to see inside of you to see inside your personality your psychology and to read your behavior cues So I think that's one of the big problems of being tonight's guy and doing all this bullshit that this guy's saying Like where should I pick you up? Where should we go? What should we eat? They see right through that they see through much faster than you will right especially the nice guys who are oblivious to this But even if you're a little bit aware of it, so they see through that and that's unhealthy and they don't want to be around that The other man, what's the other thing I wanted to bring up that. Oh, yeah So another thing to the red palm men can forget about So women have this unique ability to be horrible at introspecting and like seeing some of their own bullshit But at the same time They still can see inside of themselves pretty well in terms of knowing what they want And what they definitely don't want is some little puppy dog following them around they all fucking know this like intuitively They might not be able to articulate it and maybe they don't need to or care But they know that And that's another reason too that you can't be a nice guy like this and do this You know this follow around bullshit and in fact you should do the opposite Well, let's fly the stuff saying like should I pick you up one of the best lines ever got for one of our speakers was zan parry own and it was just the idea and I do this all the time It's fucking great and said we should do this So I don't ask, you know, I don't when I have Nevada grill over something like that I don't say hey, do you want to come over I said hey, we should get together and you should come over right? That's what we should do we should should should and it's not this pushy over-aggressive stuff It's just assertive. Yes, I'm taking a lead. This is what I want to do. We should grab wine. We should grab coffee We should you know hang out, you know, whatever the fuck. I don't want to give all my moves away and public But yeah, it's the should is very positive and when you put should into a question That's like the opposite of what you want to do and so it's not surprising that they use that as an example I think yeah, so for repel men don't forget that women It's easy to look at them and be like how the fuck is she this oblivious to her own behavior the solitism and stuff But at the same time they do they do have an ability to see inside of themselves in terms of what they want and what they desire and they will That you know viciously fucking pursue that that the emotions and the feelings and whatever the needs they want from you and They're gonna be ruthless about it. I programming doesn't care and that's one of the ways it shows itself and is in these little nice guy relationships listen what you saying is a hundred percent true and When I have consultation with guys, I tell my guys this when you're Running game on a girl whether it's you know online dating Tinder out on the street coffee shop casino whatever and There comes a time where you are going to get the number from her now Steve and I we disagree on whether you should get a girl's Number or get her your number That's a fundamental difference between Steve and I but guess what both ways work my way works better for me His way works better for him But any time you're in contact with a girl whether you get her number or you give her your number When you are setting up the date. Hey, there's XYZ bar. There's this new XYZ bar in town I'm gonna be there at 10 o'clock p.m. Come with me, right? That's the way I do it I don't say hey, are you busy tonight or hey? If you don't mind no, there is no if ands or buts about it literally I'm going here Come with me the worst she can tell you is no The point is is just like me said is you have to be very you don't need to be overly douche baggy Aggressive but by the same token you can't be passive either what needs to happen is you need to assert yourself This is why we call it being assertive women respond to aggression and they also respond to assertiveness But they respond to passiveness very negatively you cannot be active when it comes to women Otherwise, they will be passive to you as in pass you up for another guy We've got a super chat question in here. So shout out to A wizard of do-it-land with the $4 super chat He's got a question. He says last night you talked about arguing But can you tell us what is the proper way to respond to arguing if it's if it's starting to just come up in your long-term? Relationship Steve what are your thoughts on that? I? Don't care if it's long-term short-term booty call or not The bottom line is the first thing you should always do is again Assertiveness this is where y'all guys go wrong. I'm a drama free man Anybody brings any drama in my life. You are gone You are allowed to talk to me, but you are not my mother You are not my boss and you are lucky that you are around me And this is what you need to tell a wizard or her I'm not him excuse I apologize with it wizard what you should be telling your long-term Relationship is this is that you know what I can find a million women like you You'll never find one like me and if you keep this up, you're gone Do not talk to me do not test me do not try me because if you do you're gonna end up in the wrong side of the stick Again wizard. Yeah, I know this might be a little advanced, but I don't have time nor the patience To sit around and have someone talk to me like they're my mother Oh, absolutely the only one that can tell me what to do was the one who had me from the time She had me to the time I left her house She was the only one that could tell me when I can go to bed wake up and then when I had to eat now that I'm my own man Nobody can tell me what to do now. Now. I'm not talking about your job. God damn it like I like it if you If you went to the 21 convention the patriarch one that we had I talked about this that there are three Laws that you must abide by the law of the land the law of the job and the law of the street Outside of that you can create your own laws. So you have to be accountable of asking yourself Why are you allowing someone to even pump enough blood in her heart to go through her goddamn jaw to disrespect you sir? Anthony your thoughts Yeah, in the super chat. So I would go back to like red pill very basic fundamental stuff with this So the way he worded it like if you know arguments are starting to come up in a relationship or something like that a long-term relationship There's like a super low chance She actually wants to have an argument with you that has to do with reason and logic like it's Super super low So what you're seeing you need to watch the behavior and ignore the words the arguments are coming from Well, the words and the in the initiation of argument are coming from somewhere else And it's not just for some you know good reason that she wants to have an argument most likely Maybe she wants to get fucked harder. Maybe she's feeling emotionally Turbulent for some reason. Maybe she's testing you but it's for a good reason. Maybe she's testing you It's for some stupid ass and security reason Whatever the case is there is no There's almost no chance it's gonna be some beneficial argument to your relationship And that's why Steve is saying what he's saying like you shut that shit down. Don't tolerate it Beyond that, I mean, I'm not super experienced in relationships That's what comes to mind immediately with it and that's for like a short-term thing or a long-term thing Whether she's a fuck buddy or you're she's a girlfriend or something like that She doesn't want to actually have an argument with you So ignore the words and watch the behaviors the behaviors are she's starting shit with you That's what Steve's talking about and you need to respond to that appropriately probably by banning her over fucking or spanking her For some variation of this she wants to know like you know, she wants to feel that you are it's probably emotionally based Of what it is every time Yeah, listen, there's nothing wrong with burying your teeth every once in a while way too many men are Way too many men are lost but men don't understand that it's okay to raise your voice at your woman Okay, you can yell at your woman. It's not against law at least yet, right? And she may not like it Okay, she might throw a fit. Oh my god. I can't believe he yelled at me. Hey, listen You mess with the bull you get the horns. You don't say some shit like that But if you're unafraid to raise your voice at your woman, she's not going to respect you She's going to test you until you actually do and when you do it It's going to be in a very effeminate way if you're not used to raising your voice now I want to add like I don't think women want to I Don't know if women want to fear you but they want to know that they can fear you Yes, and that's I think what Donovan's getting at they want to feel that and that that could be a positive reason for her Testing you and bringing up some bullshit arguments from time to time like they want to see you fucking bear your teeth and fucking yell a little bit Yeah, they want they they want to know that it's in you but here's my answer to the super chat question the proper way to respond to arguing Like Steve said last night It's not that we it's not that we're in don't be meathead red pill guy if my woman has a concern We're not discussing shit. It's why I wear the fucking highway We it is your way or the highway, but your woman is a human being She has thoughts and feelings and needs and all that stuff This doesn't mean cater to her every whim, but by the same token There's no need to bend over backwards to to to placate to her But your woman is going to test you at some point. She is going to try to disrespect you Again, this doesn't mean That's this doesn't mean that she can't have a discussion with you about something you need to discuss But an argument is absolutely not one of them So the very first time your woman starts to get out of pocket You just look her it like if she comes at you and says donovan we need to have a talk about da da da da If your woman ever does that to you the very first time she does that Remain calm look her right in the eye and be like watch your tone Let's walk that back and try it again, but let's let's act like an adult this time go ahead here I want to add here to donovan Women who are more clever more intuitive and be higher a little bit hierarchy or something like that They will oftentimes use they will find a real argument something that's legitimate and Speaks to the fact that they are human being that they have opinions and thoughts and concerns and shit They can use a real argument with real merit as a way to Cleverly shit-testing that you fail absolutely. This isn't as crazy woman And so what I'm getting at is it's sometimes this is difficult for me to learn and accept about the red pill about women Sometimes they'll have a real legitimate concern and it's got real justification to it but that doesn't matter because her emotions are a higher priority to her than Usually the reality that's in front of the both of you at the same time So what I'm saying is they want even if it's a real argument in the unlikely event that it is Sometimes they're bringing that up on purpose because they want to lose that argument because they want to sacrifice for you Because for most someone that's how they show the love for you. They want to give things up for you Yes, assuming it's not some, you know, super crazy self-destructive thing where they're hurting themselves or some shit There's there's a point where this becomes unhealthy But in healthy ways someone want to find things to sacrifice for you that are real and the fact That's a real argument that they want to lose even if it has merit That's part of the trap and they want you to see through that and they want you to overcome that and they want to give Things to you and they want to give things up for you specifically all the time Absolutely well said we actually have a another He's he made a comment in the chat ruin that and this and this is disturbing to me he said that she wants to get married and that is disturbing to me because The first thing you should tell her this is why we're not gonna get married Why would I want to put a ring on your finger if you're arguing to me about something? I'm not ready to do see the the problem is is that listen I tell you guys if you want to get married get married But get married because you want to do it. What is your reason? Why don't do it because she forces you or Cornal co argues with you or puts you in a corner This is my question that you big dog wizard is why is she even living with you if she's living with you? Because there is no marriage if you are arguing with me already Having chosen it's my choice of you're going after my last name I don't have to give it to you, but argue with me man I'm telling you she's doing it because she smells weakness that she's doing it dog When a woman argues with you what she is doing She is discussing something with you in a disrespectful way because there is nothing to be gained from any argument You can gain a lot listen Devon and I we have a lot of discussions We don't argue if I have a bone to pick with her I get loud if she has a bone to pick with me. She not so much. This is just how it is This is just the male female dynamic. So again, we're not telling you guys Never to address the concerns of your wife or girlfriends or significant others What we are telling you is that you cannot allow her to just address you any old kind of way Just like Steve said I'm not your son. Don't talk to me like I'm your kid Don't talk to me like I'm your equal you're going to address me with respect And now we can have that discussion and if you don't if you don't head it off at the past You don't nip it in the bud the very first time if you let it continue to go on and then you try to do it Two three years down the line should be like wait what what you're all of a sudden now You're trying to act like a man after being a boy for two and a half years get out of here with that I'm going to continue to stay out of pocket. Yeah women are always building case history with you I mean there's like a thousand different ways to do this But that's why when men trying to turn things around in a relationship It's super difficult because you've been building a pattern of behavior and history with her in her head That that's how she sees the world that she sees you that's what you've shown her physically and emotionally and all these things for a long Months or years so when you change that it comes off usually in congruent especially if it's too intense right away Yes, so I don't I don't I empathize with the guys are trying to turn around relationships and marriages But yeah, it's a really tough uphill battle or it can be it can be one, but it's tough. Listen. It's very tough Anthony because And don't get me wrong, you know There are some men who are awakened while married and there's a question in the chat That that I was going to address but let's just go ahead and address it now because we're sort of We're sort of talking about it. It is by Virginia Beach It's by Virginia Beach sucks. I know this is bad. Okay. Very good. It's by it's by Virginia Beach sucks Okay, and he asks when your girl starts monkey branching. Can you turn it around or is it best to cut and run? I'll take the first quick crack at this if you're aware that your woman is in the midst of monkey branching If you're aware of it, you need to understand she started monkey branching six months ago. Okay, it's over with Is it possible to turn it around? I suppose but it's it's very very difficult Just like anthony just like anthony and steve. We're just both talking about If your woman disrespects you if she blatantly disrespects you And you didn't address it the very first time You can't expect her to act any differently You have to nip this behavior in the bud if you get if you let her get away with it Even one time she's going to continue to do it until the conclusion of the relationship comes So is it best to cut and run or to turn it around? No, get your dude get your ass out of there because if you know she's monkey branching She's been monkey branching for quite a while steve. What are your thoughts? What the fuck is a monkey branch? Okay Dude, I love that steve has no idea We actually talked about this yesterday about the red pill has all of these all of this vernacular She's like, I don't give a shit about hypergamy. All I know is what I know Monkey branching is when a woman is dating a man And she starts to be come unattractive to that man So she starts cheating on him with somebody else But she stays with him only when she knows the guy she's cheating with is going to commit to her Does she let go of one brand branches or the dicks? Oh the bridge. Well, well, here's my question Why are you allowing this bitch to go from one dick to another it's your fault Why are you he might not mean cheating because it could also mean like emotionally He picked up that she's fishing she's fishing. There you go. Just imminently cheating of course That's why I tell you I don't do the male friend thing Unless the name is torn and he's like hey girl. I don't do that. I don't listen I always give a woman a choice of what she wants to do. I never forced it on her The problem with you guys is that There is no way I can be like you and have my girl be friends with someone like anthony or donovan Who do you think she's gonna go to she's gonna go to a real man and find out why you are not Or excuse me. Let's say I'm the cupcake and I got a girl. Yes, I guess monkey branch and whatever the fuck you call it and and um She's friends with anthony and she's friends with donovan every time I fuck up She's going to them to see what it's like to be with a real man, right finger Right, this is And then she's comparing notes And then she's coming back and judging me because I can't be them Dude The first problem you all have is y'all do not control yourselves Thus you cannot control your women because a real woman is not going to go outside the confines Of her relationship when she's with a real man because the man gives her everything she needs No, I'm going to be wrong. She's going to have associates at work But she's not going to she's not going to try to sweet talk anthony or let anthony do that Because when you're doing it right they come home to you and tell you everything that's going on but If you were quote-unquote living with someone that's monkey Dick swinging or whatever that shit is You you were the problem man Anthony what should virginia beach socks do should he turn it around or should he cut and run What I was actually thinking about the question was reading it over on screen. I'll hang on the camera cut out I'll fix it one second. You can still hear me, right? Oh, yeah, we can still hear you. Yeah Oh Wait, where did he go? Nope, he's there. Nope. He's gone. Nope. Oh, yeah, I guess he's coming back But he asked a question real quick before anthony comes back is See, this is my problem. See this is what's wrong with you guys See, this is why y'all act more feminine than masculine Because you're saying all this stuff about her monkey branching and then all of a sudden you say she has baby rabies and all this other stuff Then why are you with her? Why are you even it's like you with her? But you want to send a complaint about her because she ain't doing what you want or something Well, here's the thing. I don't I don't quite understand the statement. He said i'm not concerned about moving on She has baby rabies and I don't want marriage So well, well, it's confusing to me Right He said you said you're not worrying about and again, I just need more information here So we can give you the proper call in tell them to call in Well, yeah, I mean you're gonna have to call in to give to give a little bit more detail But you said you're not concerned about moving on you or her Like do you want to like put it in the chat? VA beach sucks Are are you with her and do you still want to be with her? Yes or no And I think at that point we can probably we can probably give him give him the proper information here. Let me add anthony Okay, oh cool Maybe rabies it doesn't want marriage. Why the fuck are you with her? That's the that's what y'all that's the problem with y'all guys Y'all y'all y'all what it's like I saw a meme called an asshole and an asshole is someone that asks a question Then when you give them the fucking real answer They still don't do this shit or they question what you'd say Yeah, are you with somebody you want to sit there and say she has baby rabies and don't want marriage Then why the fuck are you with her for it in? I'm sorry What it comes down to like steve says listen if you like the girl It's okay to admit it like where nobody is like nobody's judging here But we need to know what's going on Are you with her and do you want to remain with her because you put the question in the chat? So obviously you're concerned about her there's no need to pretend that you don't like her So you have to give you got to be honest and you have to be thorough anthony What are your thoughts on this what I wanted to add earlier looking at his original question was that I see an educational opportunity for him And I don't and so giving him an immediate answer It's fine But it's like he needs to look at his own question why he's asking it in first place That her behavior is giving him feedback to his behavior. Most likely it's his fault. This is going on It's possible. She's some crazy cluster b cluster fuck or she's been super indoctrinated by feminism But most likely it's just the way he's behaving that's causing this and he's not if she has real expectations like baby rabies biology She's just hitting the wall if she's freaking out emotionally or whatever the fuck These are you know feedback mechanisms that he needs to respond to probably by leaving at this point But even in general his next chick monkey branches That's now repeating pattern behavior He's getting with his women and there's only so much of that that you can dump off in western western culture Uh, a lot, you know lard by and large is going to be your fault It's going to be your fault in terms of your behaviors and she's responding to them And if you had her ass on lockdown, uh, that would not be happening if she was If you were being the man that you want to be in satisfying yourself She would be satisfied too and there's a low chance that she'd be doing this behavior It's still always possible women, you know, do crazy as shit And human behavior itself is complex and anything can happen in a relationship Especially over a long period of time months and years and stuff But yeah, most likely it's deep says it's it's his fault. It's happening He needs to understand why it's happening to learn about to learn about life and masculinity and about women And that's an educational opportunity the fact that it's happening even if it sucks or it's annoying and stuff Okay, we've got another super chat question here. Um, so big thanks to sam whiskey with the two dollar super chat He asks why do mothers boss around their grown sons? Please gentlemen, please Let us learn. I'm not trying to bag on you sam Let's learn the difference between there there and there. That's a pet peeve of mine But what is the what's the answer to that? Why steve do mothers boss around their grown sons? You notice that a lot particularly in the black community Because these boys are still have the umbilical cord attached to mommy You've got to stop relating to mommy. You've got to cut the umbilical cord. You got to be managed See the problem with y'all guys is that even in the black community, some of y'all want to date snow bunnies Like yeah, I mean like uh, my boy, uh, andy now talk about polling. Tell me I want to date Y'all won't do it because you're afraid of what mom may think that's right You know who to date mom tells you what to wear mom tells you how your clothes should be Mom tells you what your furniture should look like how you should have You need to set your mother fucking mother aside and tell her No You can no longer tell me what to do I love you enough to tell you this and I love you enough to not talk to you if you keep this behavior up This is y'all's problem y'all are relating to mommy too much and you're letting mommy Play daddy and mommy to you or boyfriend or it's the weird thing y'all allow your mothers to do to you Cut the umbilical cord tell your mother. I love you But stop telling me what I can and can I do stop judging me and stop trying to tell me how to live my life That is what men do you've got to sever the cord and become your own man donovan Excellent anthony. What are your thoughts? Why do you feel like mothers boss around their own sons? Yeah, I got plenty of thoughts on this one So, I mean right away that strikes me as unhealthy behavior So not only obviously between the two of them, but she has an unhealthy relationship with men If he's bossing around her own grown sons who are 20 30 40 something years old I mean there's something wrong there and her that she never resolved or healed She got burned by daddy got burned by men when she was younger Uh, who knows right there's a lot of things, you know that can happen Even to things like death, maybe she was young and her dad had a cancer or something like that who knows right And that left a scar and a wound that's expressing itself through the sun and the relationship there Uh, but I also fully agree with what steve is saying to you to shut that shit off If you're a grown man, you need to act like it You are what you you are your actions much more so than what you think So you need to cut that shit off in action And you can tell her that if those things are true that you love her and you care about her and also I'm not going to take your shit leave the fuck alone Those are mutually compatible and complementary. They're not Exclusive to one another. You don't have to curse like that if you don't want to obviously it's your mother but That level of intensity needs to be there if what she's showing you and the way she's behaving towards you is that controlling And that uncalled for I would also say that a mother who's bossing around a grown son That's a form of I mean you're an adult at that point. So you're past childhood That's like a form of maternal neglect he's neglecting you as a parent to To set you free and to leave you alone to be a man and to respect you as a man as an adult You'll always be her baby. She made you you literally came out of her most likely when she was cut out by a doctor In other case she grew you from scratch with your father's seed But in terms of not allowing you on her own to be a man That's that's a problem and that's her failing to be a mother to you in some significant way later in life And that's unfortunate. You need to watch out for that not just with yourself But also any children you end up having your grandkids and stuff You don't want that behavior, you know bumping off to them when you're not aware of it in the moment Right, right, right. Yeah, my answer to that is this goes back To red pill truth a lot of men are hesitant to acknowledge red pill truth Because they don't want to believe that the red pill female nature Extends to their mothers their grandmothers their cousins their aunts their sisters their own daughters in some cases And when men are hesitant to acknowledge red pill truth, this makes them susceptible to being bossed around by their mothers now a lot of professional athletes Uh a lot of black professional athletes are bossed around by their mothers all the time I think they call them sons bins or something like that. You can probably google that and there's all There's all sorts of examples Stories about professional athletes who are literally run by their mothers The main answer the main answer is why do mothers boss around their grown sons because mom did a shitty job raising their sons That's why if your mother is able to boss you around then she did a shitty job raising you Which go which again Points the immutable truth that we all talk about all the time women cannot raise men Okay, they can raise they can raise adult men. They can raise adult males. They can't raise men They can't they are incapable of doing that So if you're in a position where your mother continuously bosses you around if you're asking her For permission to do or to think something at the age of 34 years old That's a bad reflection on you and it's a bad reflection on her The the short answer is is why do moms boss around their grown sons because she's a shitty mom and you allow her to I love my mother. But guess what? I don't let her boss me around Right like that's just I love my mother and you know I'll talk to her and wish her happy mothers and all that stuff But I do what the fuck I want to do and if my mom is disappointed Well, I'm very disappointed in you donovan. She's told me that a lot. I don't care like her She's my mom and I love her, but I'm a grown man. I know me better than she knows me That's the bottom line So the main reason why mothers boss around their grown sons is because they're shitty moms And their grown sons aren't really grown. They're grown males. They're not men Well, it also sounds to me too Like you got to look at the relationship where the father's at if he's still and if your father's still in her life They're married or whatnot because there's no if he's behaving that way with you Obviously, there's no one around her that's putting her in her place to begin with otherwise She wouldn't be acting like that most likely she's acting like that with you Then there's something missing in her personal life. It's causing that I think Yeah, yeah, I just want to say real quick and one thing that you guys got to be careful of Is one thing your mothers will do is try to guilt you into things telling you that I raised you I fed you I worked three jobs for you. Yeah, I'm not gonna say say bitch, but I mean goddamn bitch what you're talking about I didn't ask to be born you have It was your ability to feed me It was your responsibility to have a shelter over my head and clothes on my back So don't you try to guilt me into doing things for you Yes, they play the mom card Right and if you continue this behavior You and I can no longer have any type of communication Until you change your attitude. That's how you got talked to him, man What's it? I agree 100% and do it respectfully because she is your mother, but just because She made you doesn't mean she owns you right and a lot of moms a lot of a lot of shitty moms like to play that mom card Hey, I'm your mother And I'm your son If I mean I didn't ask to be born right like you're the one did the horizontal mambo with dad and out I came right you made the choice to get pregnant with me So don't act like I then owe you Just because you gave listen you're my mother and I'm gonna give you that respect I'm gonna love you for the rest of my life in your life combined But just because you birthed me does not mean you only that's that's just all there is to that Yeah, and any kind of guilt you're being like that's a form of like emotional abuse It's manipulation for sure and it's not coming from a healthy place 100% So we got to shut down the same thing is true with your father Your father, you know, right throws that shit to you. He did the same thing, you know, I made you I you know, whatever put food over, you know food on your plate. She'll throw you this is all bullshit Even if it's true, it doesn't give them ownership over your life. Well, dude, that that's part of the contract Right like again, I know not on bash mom's day or whatever like that But moms are always quick to point out Well, I gave birth to you and I took care of you and I I fed you and I did this net You were supposed to do that like that's what you're supposed to do. Anyway, it's like a good You can also just say hey grandpa went to war and fucking killed nazis Make you safe. So you're welcome for my paternal lineage I'm not gonna thank you for some shit that you're supposed to do anyway Maybe our graduation to hey mom. Thanks for being You know a good mom, but I'm not giving you credit for shit You should be doing anyway any more than men should give credit to women for shit that's a For shit that they should be doing anyway to me. It's the same concept. It's the same It's actually a pretty good comment by I get dude these fucking names guys I can't even pronounce Anthony's he said like chris rock said people want credit for shit. They're supposed to do I hate people like that Let's get back to the article And and talk and talk about number nine. Let me uh, let me bring this up here quickly. Okay, so What we're doing is we're looking at an article That is entitled 10 reasons why nice guys finished last we talked about number 10 We're gonna go to number nine now reason number nine No backbone He says quote when she freaks out for no reason in a rude or arrogant way and you apologize and tolerate your Tolerate her behavior your doormat that she doesn't respect but you accept her bad behavior just because she's hot Here's the lesson have boundaries and enforce them No woman can be attracted to a guy she doesn't respect If you let her walk all over you simply because you're desperate for her to like you then you have already lost her Being nice won't buy her respect but standing up for yourself will that's 100 red pill truth right there steve What are your thoughts? She knows that you're weak as soon as you approach her by everything you do She needs a reaffirming of that by shit testing you to see if you're the one that's going to poly she fucks up And you're the one apologizing She's the one handcuffing Helicoptering and being insecure always want to know where she's at what she's doing Why isn't she talking to you? Why is she doing all this man? She doesn't want you and don't get me wrong She may date you because of your Nice car your clothes and money that you can do for her But don't think she ain't talking to anthony on the side Don't think she ain't it checks the doubt of it on the side because these women need a balance Whatever you're not giving her she is going to go somewhere else and look for it elsewhere gentlemen Absolutely anthony. What are your thoughts on number nine? Not much to add on top of what steve said I mean you need a backbone in life and women need that backbone They want you the way we say this in the red pill in the atmosphere is they want you to be the rock They don't want to be the rock they hate that because they're not women are emotional roller coasters both biologically and like psychologically It's not what they're attuned to do is to be steady and to be calm And part of being steady and calm major component of it is having a fucking backbone A masculine backbone built a masculine virtue like strength courage mastery and honor So if you don't have that I mean that's a big turn off a huge turn off So you have to have that for yourself first and for her second she needs that And it's not it's not negotiable either like if you don't have that I mean you can have relationships men and women have relationships where the woman has the backbone the man doesn't And that's like super unhealthy and unnatural and it makes everyone miserable And uh fucks everything up. So Have a backbone. It'll make you a lot happier. It'll make her happier. It'll make her ride your dick and get wet Yeah, right. She'll she'll she'll test that backbone out. Listen This is what this is what we talked about earlier Being a nice guy is just shorthand for saying you don't have a backbone you let her walk all over you And he nails it on the head the reason why you put up with her bad behaviors because she's hot Well, wait a minute. Why would he do that because you don't have the abundant? You have a scarcity mindset. You have to understand guys. She is not one in a million She is one of a million steve said it at the top of the show I can replace you with five other bitches right now if you don't watch yourself Women need to understand that you can either now. I'm not one to say stuff like that I endorse showing it with your actions. She knows that with your actions She can and will be replaced and you do this by having a backbone Your words your words can be interpreted as actions, especially if there's emotional intensity and tone to it But I I agree with you donovan that more physical actions and behaviors and like life choices are They're more effective. It's how she's going to read like verbally is not how they want to communicate usually They want to communicate through body language and through life. They want to see for real if the demonstrative stuff you do Yeah, um actions do speak louder than words I think we can all agree on that but that doesn't necessarily mean that you cannot or should not Verbalize what you mean Because sometimes sometimes the spoken word can have a very profound effect on a woman's psyche. Just You know provided, you know, your frame and your game are are on point and top notch All right, let's there can be a Quick to there can be big overlap on that like this is you know years ago at this point But when I have my thing with medusa that split and then the video and all that she came out Obviously you see a whole video that helps these views and you know, whatever it's pretty long It's like almost two hours of shit. That's all words, right? But more importantly what she saw in action was the the ability and then the will to actually Produce that video give that presentation and put it out to the world So that's it. I think a good illustration of like Words that are actually more importantly interpreted as actions and that you know, she's crazy or whatever who cares but That's a that's a like a large-scale version of that but even in a smaller Version of it's kind of the same thing words can be actions If it's in the right context and there's the tone and the the force behind it I want to feel the power behind it basically in the emotions Yeah, absolutely a lot of guys or a lot of guys take the I like the strong silent type Well, my girl likes the strong silent types. I don't say a lot. No What you're doing is you're covering up your you're covering up your fear of verbally checking your woman Which absolutely needs to be done. You verbalize the intent, okay? You enforce it with your actions That's that's really how it works Let's move to number eight the eighth reason why nice guys finish last is you make excuses He says quote you sit at home pouting that you're not rich enough or thin enough or pretty enough to meet and attract the type of Women, okay this you can tell this guy English is probably not his first language um rich enough Built enough or good looking enough to meet and attract the type of women you really want This prevents you from walking over to the women You see simply because you already assume that you're not good enough and while you're sitting there hating the bad boy Who's talking to her? He's thinking she's cute But is she worth my time steve? That's right out of your book. This guy just plagiarized you the lesson You need to understand this if you ever wish to pull your dream girl Her preferences don't matter if women only dated pretty boys with money. Most women would be single. Wow It is how you look. It's not how you look that matters It is how you make her feel that matters. There is a huge difference between being good looking and looking good god damn Steve like this guy sounds like he watches your show man. What are your thoughts on that? I get so tired of guys Acting like women They always want to complain about what they don't have instead of Shining on what they do have this is the thing why women don't want to fuck with most of y'all guys Because they they don't want to deal with themselves They're they they love bitching about their dress sizes and i'm not this and my titties are too small and I feel bloated and all other that's how women talk But when you start acting and talking that way, why would she want to be with herself like that? She doesn't want to be with herself And if you are saying all those things then sit your ass on the sideline or hold her legs up Why anthony sends her dick pictures and pile drive That's real, but i'm just saying though At the end of the day At the end of the day, this is why y'all lose y'all are acting too much like women and just Enjoy what you have and if you can change your body what you can do you can work out and change your body if you choose You cannot change your height because you know what I saw I fucking saw something on facebook that almost made me throw up They got this this this shoehorn thing that you put in your shoe to give you a few inches of height Don't you do that shit guys? Don't you don't put no shoe shit around high heels. Is that it like you wearing high heels and shit Y'all ain't prince. I'll be doing that I'm not saying to y'all guys is that you gotta accept what you have Once you can accept it then you can move on and be better guys Listen, I agree with that 2000 percent And again, you guys have to understand you you can only control the things that are under your direct control You can't control the way you look in the face You cannot control your genetics You can control the physical condition that you're in you can control your financial status and you can control your frame and game This is where see again, just like steve said it is very very Feminine to worry about the cosmetics and listen. I understand That guys worry and they're insecure about the way they look. This is part of the human condition But what you have to understand is that we as men what you're doing is you're inversely projecting that onto females Yes, looks money and and status absolutely matters looks money and status gets you more opportunities with women But game is what helps you to capitalize on those So worry about controlling your controllables. It is perfectly natural to worry. Hey, I'm not looking good guys get over that That is what females do. It's not easy to get over if you've lived like that But if you control what's under your control your physical fitness the way you sound the way you look You're going to be much more successful with them with women and here's listen Here is the line of this number number seven here. It's not how you look that matters. It's how you make her feel guys Girls we are visually motivated creatures We as men if she doesn't look good We're not interested if we are not sexually attracted to her There's no need for us to have anything to do with her But women not so much looks definitely matter to women but not nearly as much as it matters to us You can look you can be the greatest looking guy on earth If you don't make her feel something if you don't make her laugh cry If you don't if you don't If you don't engender strong emotions from her or with her for better or worse She's gonna get bored girls would rather be With a with a not so good-looking guy who takes on those emotional roller coasters Then be with a pretty boy who doesn't really make her feel anything Um, let's move on to number well, let's now move on to number seven Number seven is being nice triggers friend feelings He says quote when you're saying wow, you're just so beautiful Sure, I'd love to give you a hand. What time do you need me and my buddies at your place to help you move? Can I pay for it? She's thinking wow this guy is super nice. He's going to make a really good friend The lesson you can't simply supersize how nice you are and expect that she's going to suddenly choose to become attracted to you Attraction isn't about how nice you are. It is about how attractive you are Learn about attraction, which is an unconscious Emotional response and you'll discover that there are many subtle ways you can turn her on but being super nice Isn't one of them Listen steve this this again is right up your alley dude paying for shit Helping her move. I love you know, you know, oh, you know, oh, you're this and that and the other What are your thoughts on this man? I love you guys, but for those that want to get out that bullshit Which y'all got to stop doing listen women love to hear men Compliment them It's not thirsty They eat that up like it's a drug They love hearing it from people that they want people that they are attracted to But the problem is you guys are going for likes and the problem is all you guys do all the time You'll do anything for her. You're always seeking permission You're always tolerating her disrespect. You're always available You're always putting up with her bullshit. And why do you think she wants to be with someone that weak? Think about that man Anthony, what do you got on that fam? Yeah, I got some thoughts on this. I think it was pretty fun for the audience So in the way this example is putting it, you're just so beautiful. I'd give you a hand. What time you need me in my buddies Holy shit. I bring buddies. You're not going to pay for it It's a it's what that's illustrating is like Super excessive giving giving giving giving giving giving And women do want you to give them some things like dick like attention Dick being like a form of attention rate a super physical one but more importantly what's been what's been much more of a positive influence on my thinking woman after finding the red pill on the manuscript and stuff Is women want you to take from them? Which is counterintuitive, especially when you hear for years in the pickup artist community like give be a giver and all this bullshit give value Women want you to take they want you to take control. They want you to take their heart They want you to take their soul. They want you to take their body They want you to take they want you to take basically everything from them If you can get down that rabbit hole enough and it isn't me and it's domineering Over aggressive like weird shit. It's a very genuine thing when it's done, right? And even this could even be like if she's thinking about if she's fantasizing about being impregnated by any stuff What does that really mean? It means she wants you to take her DNA and make a fucking kid with it So women want you to take and when you're super nice and excessively giving all this stuff That's the opposite of taking they want you to take from them in ways that they want to give you So they don't want you to like probably take money from them all this shit, right? Right? Uh But yeah, women want you to take from them and giving and being excessively nice is the opposite of taking and that's exactly what that guy's not doing He's not taking her in the way he wants. He's just endlessly giving her shit hoping that it'll pan out to her writing this dick all of a sudden It's it's actually the opposite behavioral pattern of what gets guys laid guys who are alpha assholes They use her time the way he wants to they use her body the way he wants to He talks to her the way he wants to because he's taking control of the the interaction Whether it's in the bedroom, whether it's a social conversation out public. They just met Whether it's taking her on a date and taking her through this emotional and tonight process for this whole little journey Even if it's just two hours, and then you guys in a bang or something or even 20 minutes or something Even you know, I've been girls in 10 minutes flat They walk on my door look right over the left here and that's feeling this whole little, you know Thing for me to figure out how to do you don't even do that every time obviously But that's a small and very rapid example of me taking what I want and they they fucking love it They're they're absolutely livid with it You can see the joy in their eyes When that's done properly when some dude actually knows how to do that and they're like holy fuck If all under that frame because you're taking lead and even taking let me look at leadership What is leadership? We call it taking lead. That's right taking a lead Yes, and they want you to do that and that's the opposite of what feminism and blue pill propaganda has taught men To give give give give give give give your time give your attention give your money give your resources give your friendships You know anything and everything to her. That's not what she wants She wants to give her heart to you and to give everything to you Now even if it's just for a night or if it's for years or for a lifetime They want you to take that shit too. They don't just want to give it to you They want to give it to you when you fucking take it it's um It's a beautiful thing, you know put in steve the dean william this term. It's a beautiful thing, baby Say yeah me behind that bro. Yeah. Yeah means, huh? Yeah. Yeah All right, let's get to a question uh here in the chat beta male strategies wants to know what do you do? If your girl caught you lying and she has a legitimate reason to argue Steve I would say I hope that girl calls me up And tells me that you lied to her and I'll be happy to let her know that you'll never have to worry about Lying to you because I'm a real goddamn man and I don't need to lie to you This is the problem with y'all guys Why do you have to lie to something that bleeds once a month? I will never understand man So you need to explain to me what the lie was and why did you feel that you had to lie to somebody and Put that in there man, uh Why did you lie about it? Oh my bad. Go ahead, steve. I know you're done. I know what I'm saying I just want to know what the lie is first because I can't I want to know how big the lie is I like to know what it is. Got you Anthony what you got on this man Yeah, I mean like steve saying if you're lying to women like you need to check yourself like why are you doing that? Uh, I don't know if you need to immediately shut it off Like there's a probably a whole series of fucking motivations you have for doing that regardless of how big the lie was or how small the lie was But in terms of her, you know having legitimate reason to argue Look man, the end of the day the feelings or what matters to her and there's almost no limit Maybe there isn't a limit to how important her feelings are to her And if she feels that aroused by you and is that emotionally Attached to you and connected to you She'll forgive basically anything and so that's kind of the legitimacy portion of that doesn't really matter because that's not that important to her The emotional response as it matters to her. She's probably hurt. You know because you lied to her There's a lack of trust and maybe uh, you know comfort in that you've broken reports what you've done But to her you got to you got to think in her shoes and her shoes are emotional shoes They're not logical rational legitimate reasons to argue She doesn't women don't want to argue especially not They might argue amongst each other and backslab each other in all this bullshit, right? But with men they don't want to argue with you even out They want to be dominated. They want to be led. They want to know that things are okay Maybe they want to be scared sometimes a little bit and that could be one of the things going on But yeah, the lying itself you're focused on reality is what that tells me like you lied. Okay Why the fuck did you do that? But you lied about something real because it sounds like she has a real reason to argue, right But that doesn't matter to her her feelings or what matters to her And our feelings are not reality. The response is to reality So you got to put yourself in her shoes and understand that that's her position on it Is the feelings and the emotions are always higher like earlier and I think number nine or whatever the fuck it was in that little list I wanted to say that You know even the biggest gold digger in the world is still obsessed with emotions and that The gold digging and even if she's like, you know, crazy cluster be cluster fuck whatever It's still emotions emotions emotions emotions emotions and that the depth of that is limitless Um, and same thing here some are you know argument or some lying all this bullshit It's still emotional. It's our prior primarily and the facts of it are going to take a backseat to that most likely Well, to me there are two main reasons why men want women From a pickup standpoint if you're courting a woman If you're a lying to a woman about who and what you are This means that you shouldn't be out talking to women And the reason I say that is because if you feel like you have to lie to women about who and what you are Then your value is not high enough. You can't simply stand on your own merits, right? You got to tell girls. Yeah, I want to yacht or I know this guy or I make this amount of money Even if even if even if what you're saying is true Even if we even if you're leading with your wallet and tell a woman I make two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year Even if that's the truth You got to stand on your own two feet in terms of your manhood I always say this discovery is better than disclosure. Don't tell her you make a quarter of a million dollars a year Let her discover it's gonna have it's gonna have a much more profound effect but A lot of men lie to women in the beginning to try to impress women and we got a let's clarify here too though You know, he's saying your girl like relationship. Well, no, I'm getting in I'm getting that actually leads me to number two Okay, the main reason why men lie when they're in relationships is because you are afraid of your woman Okay, the reason you lie to your woman is is because you're afraid of her response Right, you're afraid to tell her this tastes bad or you look bad in that or I don't know Maybe there was cheating whatever the case may be and if you cheat don't get caught That's always rule number one But the main reason men lie to their significant others is because they are scared They're scared of the reaction and if and women know this if you lie to your woman about something From something serious all the way down to inconsequential. She's gonna think dude If this guy lies to me, he's afraid of me and if he's afraid of me, I can't respect this guy It needs to be said too at the same time that You know for whatever reason some dudes are just more manipulative than others. They're this is how they operate and shit like that At the end of the day a man look all over instagram look at and facebook and millions of women Who go through these relationships over and over and over again with liars and cheaters The harsh truth is that women love liars and cheaters They will it's like a love hate relationship and they just keep going through it And one of the reasons for that with lying is lying is a is a power move It means you've acted it's a dishonest scumbag kind of thing to do But you've acted in a way that has exerted power on her covertly behind the scenes Which is kind of womanly and feminine and shit like that and that has its own issues I think that's what steve hates about it and rarely so It's not masculine to do this But it women respond to it is the reality of it regardless For whatever fucking reasons evolution or whatever They love liars and that's why if you look at some hot girls instagram She dates dudes the same dude over in arborgania usually the same character Uh different different slightly different body composition from dude to dude Belying the cheating the food the fucking that it's all the same bullshit over and over and over again They're stuck in a stupid pay drill pattern is what it is. Right. Here's my question. Did he even ask what see this is one This is my problem a one We asked him to tell us what the fuck he lied about He hasn't even posted what he lied about and this goes to show me that you ain't man This is why women treat y'all weak like y'all can't even talk to real men and tell us what you lied about We ain't dating you right you a simple arithmetic two plus two is four question and he's still watching He's still That's why look you know what That's why your woman is fucking somebody right now if you want to know the truth And that's why she ain't it's been sitting around Gorgeous you for your money because she knows you're weak and spineless and you are you ain't shit dog You can't even tell us and I say that with all respect though. You can't even tell us Why you lied or what the lie is so apparently it must be some real bullshit anthony if he can't tell us man Well, we're assuming if he told us they would even be true and at this point We don't even know that we just have to assume that it's being presented honestly Well, this is why he this is why his uh screen handle is uh is of course beta male Yeah, all right. Let's move on to um, let's move on to number six the sixth way This guy points out in terms of why nice guys finished last And it is reason number six says it's because you spill your guts He says quote instead of taking your female friend out who you secretly had a crush on for years To have fun drinks in a possible bedroom adventure You've decided that taking action is too risky risky And have chosen the logic of a handwritten the love letter Explaining all of the Z All of the deep desires you have for her and how you plan on ultimately sweeping her off her feet Basically, you turn creepy out of fear of being too aggressive. Here's the lesson Love letter and other over-the-top romantic gestures have way more power when she's already attracted to you I disagree with that and when you're well into a relationship not before you have a relationship This is just creepy take action and leading her on a fun and leader on a fun Dating adventure with you is always way more powerful than using words. Yes action speak louder than words You cannot logically convince a woman to become attracted to you But you can influence her body's emotions while with you bring her mystery adventure and fun And she will start to feel those feelings be a man and take action Dean your thoughts Well, the thing with About action is that there's got to be a reason for that action to happen. You know what I mean? A woman is going to move towards you when she knows It's the same thing feeling safe feeling secure. We've already discussed this I don't I don't want to kind of beat a dead horse, but we've already kind of like talked about it already and everything that what what reason is what reason If she okay, let's say she met anthony or monday She met you on wednesday donovan and she's got a man or she's dating this guy What's so special about this guy because she's compared. She's always going to compare And because whatever the guy is not giving her she's going to look somewhere else, man It's just cutting dry brother Anthony, what are your thoughts on this the you know, you you don't take action you write her little love letters You spill your guts Yeah, that's super dicey shit. Uh, so i'm in line with you and that donovan. I mean stuff like that You that stuff like that can work in certain contexts But yeah, it's super fucking dicey, man Like as when a girl perceives alpha you can do almost anything is the reality of it that shit or even whatever the fuck else you want As long as that frame holds true in her head emotionally and psychologically She'll let you do whatever you want and she'll just reinterpret it to be, you know, specialized alpha behavior for her Uh, but if you do too much of it, obviously, you'll ruin that I must say this, you know, the night I went out to a bar with a rose With a buddy of mine. I had this like little red rose It was a real rose and dude. It was the most savage fucking prop I've ever brought out to a bar in my life A rose a rose dude women apps. I fucked with it. So good. How did you never heard that? What happened? I see I heard about this in the pickup community a long time ago Like I heard someone wrote field report about it And I didn't think a lot about it and I haven't really thought about it since but happen to have this rose So I brought it with me to this bar and my sister actually encouraged me. I was like, yes I bring this rose this bar. She's like, oh, fuck. Yeah, women are gonna die And sure shit all night women loved it and it wasn't this over-the-top romantic thing I'd be using like a microphone. I'd be like speaking to the rose and they just like what? Um, I'd be handing out little pedals and shit, and they'd be like, oh, is it for me? I'm like, no, it's mine. You can't have a bitch It should like that and then so this is this is an over-the-top romantic item That was used in a good context. I end up getting kicked out of the bar this fat girl She got really mad when I was talking to her hot friend. She like broke it and I threw it at her and they kicked me out Oh, whatever Yeah, but women loved it like I've never seen it made the hat irrelevant Like I wear the hat out to usually the women that make them a gradient hat And that's a super attention grabber obviously and the rose Overshadowed the hat by a mile, which was very surprising to me. That was that was like a big thing Rose but anyway, but not rosy. I'm gonna do it again. It's just sad. Just fuck dude Like I'm making my buddies do a team and you just walk around roses all night Did and you can make up stories and shoot too. I was like, yeah I can't believe this bitch fucking didn't come out and meet up with me and shit Blah blah This is all just made up nonsense as I'm going through the night like in drink games making shit up But anyway, so romantic stuff it can work It can work in pickup scenarios like that that that was actually surprising how powerful that was as a prop As we call them pick up community But even later in relation if you can make anything work, but it's dicey we can do that stuff If you don't know what you're doing And uh, I'm not the average dude like I've been through a lot of stuff to pick up so Great, uh, we're gonna switch gears here guys. Um, and we're gonna talk about Something that alan roger curry Talked about on twitter alan roger curry has officially Separated himself from the quote-unquote manasphere Because the manasphere has listened the manasphere has always been Under a microscope for many many different reasons but but we had two mass shootings within a 48 hour period last weekend and so Articles like this are are starting to make their way Around the internet and I'm just going to read a little bit of this and I just like I just like us to have sort of a Sort of an open panel discussion on On the the implications of this what you know, what do we do? How do we tell people? Hey the manasphere is not a bunch of misogynistic assholes who want to kill women But you know, we love women very much, but this is what we're about So this article was posted on the atlantic and the title it was written by helen lewis It was actually it was published. What is this august? August 10th. It was published a few days ago. It says to learn about the far right start with the manasphere The underscore is the sexist world has become a recruiting ground for potential mass shooters Dude that in and of itself is That is very very dangerous So let me just read the first couple of paragraphs here and we'll just wax poetic on this She says quote. She says quote most mass shooters are men Sophie Walker the former leader of britain's women's Equality party tweeted tweeted that fact as soon as 51 51 people were killed by a gunman in christ church new zealand In response, she was diet. She was deluged with angry emails and accused of playing the gender card A bbc journalist told her not sure Not sure now was the right time to make this about gender. Sophie Only she did not quote make this about gender the shooters themselves did that the article says the idea That feminism is decadent and destroying western civilization The idea that woman's natural is to have children and to be subservient to men The idea that strong men are needed to save the world through violence All of these arguments are found across extremist websites and in the words of shooters themselves Anti-feminist rhetoric is a powerful gateway to violent white nationalism And it is calculated to appeal to the democratic over democratic demographic Overwhelmingly responsible for mass shootings young white men. These are these are pretty damning These are pretty damning statements here and Listen, I don't want us to get into semantics. I don't want us to get into hyperbole But the author here does make a point It appears that the demographic that is overwhelmingly responsible for mass shootings are young white men I mean, this is just how it is And so our this article and other articles like this are the reason are the reasons why Men like alan roger curry are saying all right. Listen, I'm gonna continue with the mode one approach But I am no longer a part of the manisphere. I'm no longer going to Verbally say that I am part of the manisphere now anthony This is this is your territory. We this is absolutely unapologetically the manisphere What do you think about articles like this and does this help or hurt the manisphere? The purveyors and the consumers Yeah, I got plenty of thoughts in this article So first of all, it's you know, it's complete bullshit the way this has been worded and strong I mean, this is this is a narrative she built. This wasn't like an actual analysis of what's happening in the world Uh calling the manisphere a gateway to what in that white nationalism or some shit Um, this is delusional the manisphere has existed for well over 25 years in its current form since the 90s with the rise of the internet Alt fast seduction ross jeffreys guys like alan roger curry hypnotica mystery Steve the dean was around back then doing this thing So the idea that this is some gateway to white nationalism is fucking delusional This is absolute political propaganda that they're using and they're weaponizing against the community And I think they're attacking the community and that's actually a good thing They're attacking it because it's it's a signal to us and it's a sign that it has value that it's doing things Uh them trying to blame like all these mass shootings like in new zealand Uh and all this bullshit like across the world on the manisphere, which is primarily like american and canadian and things This is retarded It's retarded beyond retarded and it's vicious and they're attacking a very positive and healthy community It's not perfect and the manisphere has real problems No doubt it always has Uh, but I think it's overall gotten better over the year is not worse And the decades actually as it's gone as it's matured and aged The fact that we have the red man group show that we have the 21 convention that we have our individual podcasts and shows and companies Uh that we even had you know, we built a first fatherhood event a real life conference Just a few months ago in florida for fathers and patriarchs and men I mean, this is this is really These are very positive, uh, developments in our community And so these attacks on it, uh, it's it should be expected I mean, what else is thick news mainstream news going to do when they see a positive healthy movement A counterbalance to the negativity and insanity of feminism The manisphere is a pretty rational place Uh, reason is respected pretty well and logic among all the communities the pickup artist community the mctau's Uh, the mra is the rep and the repo community even though there's like serious disagreements between these little tribes There's a real respect for reason and rationality and focusing on truth and reality And yeah, it's this gateway to white nationalism and hate and extremism is just nonsense Feminism is the real extremism I mean the the idea that you know, the manisphere is some extreme, you know, nazi bullshit or something is crazy Feminists are marching around the streets trying to abolish, uh, you know innocent to prove and guilty Uh, they're raving about, you know, they're demonizing masculinity itself through like, you know, the american psychological association You have major multi-billion-dollar companies, uh attacking masculinity like gillette proctor and gamble and stuff So that that article is a dystopian orwellian 1984 kind of article as I see it This is complete absolute nonsense The real extremist hate supremacist movement is feminism that tells men and fathers Oh, it's like a froze. Let me fix my camera. No, you're good Oh We'll see if it gets back on again. You could still hear me there, right? Yeah, I can definitely go here. Yeah Yeah So yeah, the real uh, I've talked about at the 21 convention several times the real hate supremacist and evil fucked up movement of insanity Is feminism this is a movement that demonizes the best of masculinity the best of men the best of fatherhood Things that built the world and civilization in the countries we live in as we see it and experience it today And these people have fucked up values and philosophies and that's why they hate the manisphere and they hate men These there these little there's these little, uh, the little feminist little Tyrants is what they are the hate men the hate masculinity the hate daddy I can guarantee you 99 of them had bad relationships with their father Um, you know dad didn't buy me a pony there for him I fucking hate men for the rest of my life and not heal and deal with my own bullshit Right, right. So it's just horrible as far as alan. They're leaving the manisphere. I was kind of sad to see that but I do think I can Well, you guys will see soon enough of the video i'm putting out but I think I can I think I can leave the manisphere in a very positive way and then it needs that leadership And the 21 convention is a huge part of that the offline manisphere the premier event that we have And I think we can bring alan back into the fold at some point Logic and persuasion alan's an awesome dude. I mean top to bottom And I don't blame them for being pissed and wanting to distance himself in the manisphere. It's being smeared It's being slandered is what's happening But the manisphere I believe fundamentally is very positive very healthy very rational And it's the it's the first, uh movement in the world. It's an emerging movement of men Who are organizing together for the interests of men and the interests of father is the interests of masculinity Very positive masculine be real-ass shit Man mindset kind of shit, you know what I'm saying, right? Yeah, I mean Yeah, I mean So these losers manisphere is awesome and it's the most it's one of the most important movements in the world right now my opinion But a one for the first time in my life I'm going to disagree with you and I'm going to tell you why because This is where you're a thousand percent wrong, brother the thing is you Are about integrity honesty and all those things These there are other people out there that are trying to say their manisphere. See what you're see What you're doing is you're trying to teach men How to understand manhood understand the life understand what's going on you do that But this thing called a manisphere is that there are people Claiming to be manisphere But then what they're doing is is they're turning around and trying to sit and trying to harm people like you because You are a threat You are a threat and then I can say, you know, I I never disagree with you But you're wrong because they're not you and guys i'm not kissing his ass I'm just calling the fucking spade a spade what he does Is manisphere, but there are a lot of people out there that want to claim manisphere but Send cronies on the shows like this to dislike Uh, the the show or they'll they'll send cronies to to to bother manipulate or try to threaten people That's where I have the the disagreement I I agree with you steve I mean there's like I said, there's definitely unhealthy components of the manisphere There's reasons for that and I'll say this too any kind of legitimately Genuinely positive change in a movement this large that's been going on for this long It's going to stir up drama and conflict and conflict resolution and arguments people getting pissed off taking sides and all these things Right, so it's not any any movement that has if feminism turned around tomorrow and turned into some positive movement You would see a civil war breakout among them and they'd be at each other's throats That's of course not happening and that's why it continues to be the shit show of a movement That's horrible for everyone and makes women miserable and men and destroys nations Right and I talk to alan and I'm not gonna talk about it with details we talked about but alan's like Alan's guilt by association Y'all are it's not it's not you and this has nothing to do with you because This is not you why he's leaving. I think I think I want to put the words in hand why he's going is because You know, it's not just white people that are shooting up shit Then you got of all races number one. Okay number two when you look at some of the what you call the black Manusphere or whatever all they do is complain. All they do is complain all they do is Black women ain't shit They just shit and it just all they do is wine like a bunch of women And then you got other people you got people that that like like a coat anthony and um, uh donovan A thing about a coat is they they they take people who are like just confused Right they put the arm around say it's okay. Follow us. We're gonna show you you you can go your own way You can then we talked about yesterday listen I just I can say I I I was before All of this because I just stay on my side of the street But why resonated with anthony is because he's teaching values that That were always taught on the street Loyalty respect Honor integrity That's why he that's why I had a disagreement with him because he's doing it But do you see that with all these other people that are claiming manusphere? No They're talking about destroying trying to destroy something that can help young men become great adults And unfortunately because of all that That's where you get people that are angry bitter and mad because they're confused because they can't get a woman And yet they still keep getting pumped in for bad information So then when they do something then they try to claim manusphere and that's not the manusphere Those are what I call false prophets or for you biblical motherfuckers Anti christ that come along here and try to do something that is not man That's the only one that fell in that brother I can back up some things steve said here too in terms of mass shootings the one you see publicized The most of uh white shooters, but this said the stats on it are actually a lot different Uh, it's it's very diverse. How many you know, what kind of races and things, you know pop-up shootings I think the actual definition from the fbi from mass shooting is anything involving over four Uh fatalities or you know, whatever people getting shot And once you if you actually look at that definition of mad shootings, they happen all the time It's just these ones that get really big where 20 some people get shot up or something That's who gets all the publicity and the intention and it fits a narrative that they want to uh dig into When some dude who's muslim lives up in canada rents a van runs everybody over That shits in and out of the news cycle and heartbeat when a woman when a I don't wish you vegetarian vegetarian youtuber woman Goes to youtube spate the youtube headquarters in, you know, california And as she's a female shooter and she shoots up the fucking place and then kills herself That gets in the news and then it's immediately removed as soon as possible It doesn't it doesn't fit the narrative of white men are evil men are evil Masculinity is evil fatherhoods evil men are useless boys are fucking fucked up and violent So they're always building a narrative and whatever fits the narrative They expand and whatever it doesn't they want to minimize and get rid of as fast as possible So anyone's capable of mass shootings violence happens all the times I know black on black crime for example, it's super huge violent I've seen black women on youtube screaming about it. Which is kind of interesting She's like you the most violent mother fuckers I've ever seen But every race has its every race has its problems every race is like a little tribe And as far as mass shooters though with the man is fear. I mean those are not These are not men that we want anything to do with and them trying to ascribe these men to us You know, they're they're grasping at straws The new zealand guy for example and all this shit like the fuck that has nothing to do with any of this No, um, if if this was you know ruche v or fucking You know someone like that coming out doing a mass shooting. That's that's a lot different. Yes But that but that has never fucking happened to my knowledge not any meaningful way They just want to latch on to it and describe anyone It's like the cnn did a hit piece on the on the red pill like about a year or two ago Yeah, I remember 99 chance that was complete bullshit, you know, they just found some dude, you know to be a little patsy like a fucking The guy who thought he was getting a cheat code and when he figured out that you can't you can't lie your way You can't scheme your way. You can't pee you way your way into a woman's panties off the red pill doesn't work Yeah It's nonsense. They're just glad they're trying to just burn shit down. It's positive. What else have they done? My take on this is the here's my take on this Um, it didn't surprise me uh when alan roger curry decided to separate himself from the man sphere because alan has a brand uh alan's brand the mode one brand that's been around for three plus decades and He's he's very he's very careful He listen he is he that is his life's work and he's not going to have it destroyed just by you know A few articles or a few misinformed people, but I will say this The man is fair at large what we do is we give information. We give actionable advice for men to improve themselves Yes, some of that actionable advice requires us to out some of the Some of the bad some of the bad in the world We have to talk about we can't offer solutions if we don't at least talk about the problems But like steve said the black man is fair in particular seems seems, you know They've hell bent on just I mean there's one guy in particular All he does is complain complain complain And it it gets to a point to where If you could you can you can only complain so much before people start to tune you out But then you get people who don't tune you out They continue to listen to that complaining and they've already got it in them that they're already angry They're already upset and then they go out and do something stupid Here's something else. I'll tell you here's something else. I'll point out There's some very dangerous people out there who are dangerous to men who call themselves red pill Okay, there are a lot of men out there and I don't really know all of them But I know of a few of them. These are the men that endorse take away women's rights Okay, listen that may or may not be the solution, but that's not gonna happen We're not guys it's ain't the 1950s no matter how much we want it to be We need to deal with what is when we don't need to bitch and moan about well back in my day It's not back in my day anymore. This is the hand that we're dealt Women are fucked up and you either listen. It's the rival of the fittest you either evolve And and become good with women or you get left behind that's how it goes Most men who get left behind tend to go into a shell very few of those men They they lash out and they do mass shootings something Steve said Really sort of resonated with me And this is when people find the red men find the red pill when they are downtrod And the red pill it's almost kind of like a religion people like to call it a cult Maybe it is maybe it isn't it doesn't matter it improves lives call it whatever you want But men or people don't people don't look for the church when their lives are great, right? When life is great, they're making a lot of money. They're swimming, you know, you know They have a big family. They're successful and if they're not overly religious They're not going to seek out the church But if their wife leaves them if they leave if if if uh if their job goes away if they lose their job If she gets custody of the kids now all of a sudden He's looking for something to latch on to and women as well in airy code 512 I see you in the qm and it gets you in just a second Red the red pill is much the same way if a man is swimming and pussy If a man is great with women if he's got eight girlfriends and he's slain it with women There's really no need for him to find the red pill But when all of a sudden he gets a slump or he figures out wait a minute I can't get women anymore. He's on a five-year slump. Well, then what the hell do I do? How do I get girls? It leads them to the red pill the last This the reason why these people are trying to connect mass shooters to red pill truth Is it's it's it's something that it's something that I pointed out years ago But I will this is what I'm gonna say. It's my assertion that every male mass shooter is just bad with women That's just all there is to it. I'm not gonna sit here and say listen if you were good with women That would have prevented a mass murder I think maybe it probably could have because men who go out and they shoot places up These are men who are not happy with themselves. This isn't to say that women are the cure all We know that we that we don't need women But we want them but one underlying The common denominator with with most if not all of these mass shooters is that they're probably not very good with women If a man is good with women whether he is good at his job sucks at life If he's decent with women, he's usually pretty content with himself And so when these people go out and they shoot up a bunch of places chances are they're probably bad with women So the red pill does save lives in that regard I wanted to add on them that I have a plan to clean up the atmosphere that's about to begin Oh, so, uh, okay, not not every little goddamn the crowny of it, but uh, a very positive kind of Thing it's about to happen. So We'll see how that goes and what kind of consequences and benefits that has to our community That I love and then I consider myself a son of the manisphere something I realized not too long ago That the manisphere is a community that I've quite literally grown up in along with uh, you know, various other millennials That by the thousands who found this community the pick-apartist community or whatever component of it And they've grown up with that I found in 2005 when I was 17 years old. I was still in high school And since then it's been a daily part of my life in one form or another Obviously with business But even beyond that just being a part of the forms and the communities and the shows and all these things And having a voice and in that in my case having a voice and being publicly publicly known with my real name But I care about it a lot and that's why I'm willing to fight for it and defend it and go to bat for it to the end Okay, good stuff. Uh, we've got a super chat question in here again air code 512 I'm going to get to you And just a second again the priority is this we go super chat questions the phones and then And then what then then then the then the other questions. Um, so nix the observer Ask us when do you guys believe the matrix was created? And if a woman asks do you believe in gender roles? How would you respond to that? Uh, the matrix was created with first-wave feminism. That's this is what happened In the 1960s, I don't I don't know exactly what year it was But when first-wave feminism started that's when the matrix started to sort of Create itself men and women are equal Men and women are exactly the same women should run the household etc etc If a woman asks me do I believe in gender roles? My question would be well, it depends upon how you define gender roles There's the feminist version of gender roles and then there are the real gender roles What say you and then you just bounce it back and forth So what you're what you're asking nix the observer is you're asking us How do we respond to a woman asking about traditional gender roles without looking no Listen be straight up. Don't be afraid of women. Well, what do you think? You're not one of those people who thinks women should be in the kitchen. Do you? Uh, yeah, as a matter of fact I do So if you're not with that then we got a problem Uh, see what are you on that? Well, I think the matrix created a long long time I think we were we were we've always been in one and just like a virus in the computer Like you said, I think just something came along a virus that came along a trojan. I used to go like I say used to call That's a trojan horse. Yeah a trojan horse something came along but this trojan horse had its own protective shell And it then it started to uh, like you say it kind of connects you kind of connects to the You know taking the fathers out of the homes and all that other stuff And then it just kind of spent off to you know what we want to we want to we want to have a voice So we you know kind of like the the homosexuals, you know, they got together and nowadays You can't say anything about them because you say some bad them is bad They all come after you they all come after you right So I think these women were thinking long term and I can tell guys women are smart Because I think they were saying you know what If they won't change for us Then we will create the change because we will have the kids We will inform them what we want We will make them our judges our lawyers our congressmen and all these other things And we will destroy it from within if they choose to so I think the matrix is going on But I just think that this virus or this trojan horse came in with protection from the smiths Because they created also the smiths in here and the the agents and stuff I mean, I'm not trying to get all deep, but I'm going to the next As far as the gender the gender roles and stuff like that. Yeah, I believe a I'm old school I believe in gender roles period I'm sorry. I I believe everybody's got a place And your place is never above me unless I'm letting you ride my face on my dick Jesus Anthony, what are your what are your thoughts on this? So When do you believe the matrix was created and if a woman and she okay, they call you the wet dream? What do you think a gender? Daddy dream actually before daddy dream, but I'll take wet dream. I suppose there you go. There you go I haven't I haven't got that one from women as of yet So I believe the matrix the way if I'm understanding the question right now What this guy's looking for I would say the 1910s. Uh, so about a hundred years ago. Oh, okay Yeah, so you saw in that decade you saw a lot of horrible shit go down You saw the institution of the income tax Which I think was devastatingly bad for for for america You saw world war one this giant cluster fuck america got dragged into it and you know things like that And then you saw the woman get the right to vote without the associated responsibility of well many responsibilities But particularly the responsibility and the duty to be drafted Which I'm not even a fan of I don't think the draft is a good thing. I think it's a bad thing But it's very specific and it's lopsided even to this day to be it's for men not for women So I think in that decade We saw a lot of horrible things that have spawned off and created endless amount of problems for america and for the west america being a leader and then everything kind of filters out and seeps down to the countries around us Uh, women though women getting the right to vote though I think was the worst thing that happened because it was a divorce and the end of the quality between rights and responsibilities That was the day that that no longer held true and before that time that held true for the most part And men and women were able to negotiate a pretty good country to live in That had serious problems. Though they'll be resolved later, but In terms of gender dynamics, that's when shit really went off the rails And that eventually spawned into second wave feminism and the insanity we saw with that and then third wave feminism And our fourth wave insanity that's now, you know trying to turn It's all this tranny bullshit pedophilia is a sexual preference Feminism at this point anthony, right? Well, even yeah Yeah, it's always it's always been feminism has always had a very ugly side That's why they never wanted it's the worst elements of woman kind and femininity Personified and then disorganized movement loosely organized giant movement of shit It's a toxic shithole of uh of spirit and irrationality and of all these things But yeah, a woman getting the right to vote without the responsibility to be drafted right away back then That was the beginning of a very bad That decade was horrible for for the country for america And I think for the the majority of what we've seen since then the accumulating National debt that started right around then and it's escalated out of control Uh, you know women, you know going off the rails today. They see all this shit All the all the insane shit we see It all started then and I don't think that taking women's right to vote away is a solution I don't I don't agree with that at all But I do think that divorcing rights and responsibilities was a huge mistake And we're still paying for the consequences of that to this day And there does need to be a solution to that problem But we still need to figure out what that is and I think it's the task of the Manisphere to resolve that and make a better future a masculine future Okay, good stuff, uh 914 205 5356 that is the number to call if you want to get in on the show Let's go to area code 512 you're on live with the red man group. Go ahead Uh, this is the response to a comment you made a couple weeks ago donovan about your mom and you know hanging out with other military wives How important do if you get married? How do you control your wife's social circle? I mean because women are just going to be like, you know, the other women that they hang around with You guys agree with that or not? Yeah. Yeah. Listen birds of a feather Yeah, women are You know, we we we we say this all the time is you are the company you keep I think there's another saying out there that says something to the effect that You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with So your question is is how do you control a woman's social circle? I know what my answer is Steve. I want to get your thoughts on this Well, as long as the social circle is women I have no problem with what she does as long as she she can do whatever she wants around her friends But when I'm in a presence or she's with me, she's better. She better act right bottom line I I don't have time to play games with her and she and my thing is this don't put my business out on the street I find out you put my business on the street and you and I are going to have to have a little conversation No, no abuse just a conversation But I don't do the social circle with the male friends. I don't do that. I don't do that sign failed How I met your mother Beverly Hills 902 or no tight bullshit. I don't do that Okay, anthony, I I'm I'm fairly certain you heard the question. Did you hear the question the caller asked? Yeah, my body is stays consistent. It's the video that I keep having an issue with okay All right, go ahead anthony. What are what are your thoughts on on his question? Yeah, I mean I grew with everything. You know, you guys have said That the people you hang around with male or female are going to reflect on you In a very large sense or it's very easy to become like them So you need to watch who she's hanging out with also. Yeah, no hanging out with male friends and shit That's super weird. I don't think um, I was actually talking to the day with a friend of mine And I really don't think that men and women can even be friends. No, they can't No, yeah, but I don't mean that in the sense that men and women cannot positive relationships. Obviously they can I'm friendly among family, you know things like that I have a great relationship with my older sister. That's you know, it's awesome But I also the reason I bring that up is I think uh I think the English language is lacking a word for male female Friendship like that. It's not unhealthy and weird And most of them are and that's why it doesn't exist. That's why That's why I saying the men and women are you know, they're friends like they're not it's bullshit 99.99 99 percent of the time There's always a sexual component and like risks there Uh as far as controlling your social circle, I don't have a lot of direct experience to speak from on that. Um I'd say listen to Donovan Steve on that and also at the same time, you know, she needs to be able to You shouldn't have to do a lot of micromanaging is what comes to mind Like you shouldn't have to do all this domineering stuff or you're dictating every little thing in her life She should be behaving in a way that responds to your values And if you have that unlock and she is in your frame Most of that should clear itself up and then a little bit of from time to time you fix things up manually Yeah, listen, um, I agree with what anthony said if If you have a strong enough personality if if your frame if your lifestyle If your influence over her is strong enough She will naturally gravitate away from friends who are a bad influence on her in terms of relationship now Let's when we say bad influence. Let's not pretend that we don't know what we're talking about We're talking about slutty friends, right? Okay, so you have friends that influence you to eat steak instead of potatoes Like nobody cares about that. No, we don't want other women to pollute Or or or contaminate our women. This is why let's I say this all the time This is why married women should hang out with other women You have 90 and don't worry caller. You're not going to be dropped after 90 seconds You just have 90 seconds to call in guys So if you want to get in now is the time to call it's going to be another 90 seconds before that's it But your question was is how do you control your woman or your wife's social circle? You asked the wrong question. You cannot control anything your wife or girlfriend does What you can do is you can highly if you can do two things You can influence her and you can give her choices. So for 60 seconds So for example, this is something that needs to be done in the beginning If you are already in a relationship with a woman and one year in you figure Oh, no She's friends with stacy stacy's a slut and she might be negatively influencing my woman. You can't then tell her. Hey You need to quit hanging out with stacy. You can't do that a year in What you do is before you get with her when she angles for that relationship first And she and she starts to ask you okay What is required and you sort of indirectly tell her these things just let her know Kind of subtly listen. You said you want to be in a relationship with me You need to limit if you want to be in a relationship with me You need to limit your time with stacy. Well, why do I need to limit my time with stacy? Because I don't want it. You don't even have to explain anything to her when you say I want you to limit your time with stacy. She's going She's going to know why you she's going to know why you want Her to limit her time with these friends who are a bad influence women and steve says this all the time Women aren't stupid 90 of the time when a woman asks you a question. She already knows the answer She just wants to know a if you have the balls to tell her the truth and b if you're afraid to Or what was the what was the what was the second one? She she when she asks a question She wants to know that you have the balls to tell her the truth Or if you are going to go into some long drawn out explanation to give her the opening to argue with her If you start explaining things to your woman that gives her and she'll pick something out of what you explain to her To grab on to and disagree now you guys are in an argument about who she is going to hang out with I'll go one step further on what you're saying here donovan They're they're not only checking to see if you have the balls to tell her the truth Like honestly what you want and what you feel they're checking to see if you have the balls to tell yourself that Yes, is where most benefit they fail they fail first with themselves and then with the woman So they're they're really checking you what's going on in your head. Yes, that'll be if you tell them if you tell them The like god honest truth that whatever the fuck that is in that moment If it's appropriate for that and it probably is it's more important about you being able to do it yourself first Everything starts there So in the beginning and again, we talk about this all the time Your woman is not going to know what your boundaries and expectations are unless she pushes them first Everyone's going to do this. What can I get away with? So while you are dating while you are in the first throws of romantic lust And she hangs out with stacy that night What you need to do is you need to withdraw your attention from her, right? When she says why and she's gonna she's gonna ask you well, you know, I noticed you've been a little bit cold lately I noticed you haven't really been available. Is there a reason why let her know listen I don't like it when you hang out with stacy That's just all there is to it and say listen, I don't like it when you hang out with her and we both know why So then she'll ask you are you telling me that I can't hang out with stacy? No, listen I'm not going to tell you what we can't what you can or cannot do. You're a grown woman. I'm not your father I cannot control you what I will tell you is that the more you hang out with stacy the less Available I am going to be right. So she does the math in her head. Okay He's not saying that I have to drop stacy as a friend But the more I hang around stacy the less available he's going to be well, guess what now There's a choice I can either hang out with my friend stacy all the time or I can be this guy's girlfriend or main chick And if you're if if if you're a high value guy, she wants to be with you enough She's not going to cut all ties with stacy. But what she's going to do is she's going to limit her interactions with her Women in order to in in order for women to influence other women They have to be physically present with one another This is why we say that married women should never have single friends Married women should never have married friends who cheat on their boyfriends or husbands So there's no way to control Your woman or your wife's or your girlfriend's social circle But you can highly influence her decision-making You need to make sure that she directly correlates hanging out with the friends that you don't approve of He needs to correlate that with your lack of availability The less she hangs out with them the more you're available to her The more she hangs out with them the less you are available to her women aren't stupid. They'll do the math That's some real talk Caller does that answer your question? Yeah, that's a good answer. Yeah, thanks. Okay. Well, thank you for calling. Uh, airy code There we go. Airy code 512 um Getting getting uh to the to the top of the hour here So we're gonna go ahead and and uh, we're gonna start winding things down. I'm gonna read some of the comments in the chat James Martinez says He says you're not shooting up stores if you're shooting. Oh, wow, you're not Shooting in women, which is absolutely freaking hilarious as devin gives me a turkey sandwich um, let's see Beta male strategies says thanks gentlemen. The lie was something trivial regarding her body I did it not to hurt her feelings and it was a long time ago. I since then changed my behavior But since then she couldn't trust me. Okay, I guess that was the answer to the question. What exactly did you lie about? um Your bitch shows me says donovan. I respect to you and anthony and and steve. All right Uh, jesse tyler wellman says how to not how how to not be a nice guy rule number one You're the most important person in all of your relationships new rule number two Don't care about what anyone or what any woman thinks or their opinion is what are your thoughts on that steve? Well, I I tell guys all the time If y'all want to see the antithesis of an asshole watch curvy enthusiasm I love larry david larry david is a straight up bona fide asshole who doesn't care what people think about him And he's gonna give him telling what he feels and what he thinks without thanking it. So But again, y'all don't take what we're saying as like I gotta be an asshole. No Myself donovan And anthony we're not we're nice guys. I'm a look guys. I'm a nerdy geek sci-fi SpongeBob cartoon watching video game playing cake motherfucker. That's me but Great man because regardless of who I am and what I do I have standards principles laws rules and codes that dictate my life and dictate my relationships. That's all I want to say on that Anthony your thoughts Yeah, can you give me the question again? I was playing with my video there. Uh, what are you was talking about? Um, wait, let me scroll back up to it. I got sucked into what steve's saying or two That's quite all right. Oh, uh, jesse tyler wellman says, uh, how to not be a nice guy number one Important person in all of your relationships and number two don't care what anyone or any woman thinks or what their opinion is Yeah, I'll just have this. Uh, I think see I think steve covered that really well based on what he just said I'll say that the what men consider an asshole and this is the nice guy asshole thing What men consider an asshole what women consider an asshole are very different things They're coming from different biological and psychological perspectives So women do want you to be the asshole but to them that they're not going to say that usually right like 99 times out of 100 But that's what they want, but men don't want to be around assholes. I don't want asshole friends I don't want asshole people in my conventions. I don't want asshole speakers I don't want asshole people in my life in any way, right Uh, but women do women want they love assholes is where they date them endlessly That's where they fuck them they get you know knocked up by them all the shit Just keep in mind that those are different things to each sex And you don't have to be an asshole to men in your life, but with women You should characterize a lot of those behaviors In a way that's productive and healthy and makes sense To you first and then to her and what she wants And her desire is for that out that out of asshole The guy who does have boundaries and strength and courage and mastery and honor That to her is an asshole kind of thing and then with your guys and your boys, you don't have to do that And by the way today's women defines an asshole as a man who does not pander to them Right a man who actually tells her no my god. You're such an asshole When a woman calls a man an asshole, that's really what he's talking about. You know how that goes Um guys, um, that's gonna do it For this edition of the red man group Uh my thanks to the uh to all of the uh to all of the superchatters Nick's the observer with the five dollar super chat and question Sam whiskey with the two dollars super chat with a very good question about the mothers and sons Wizard of duet land with the five dollar super chat We certainly appreciate the support Um any last words ampany uh projects things you've got going on in the coming weeks once years, etc So the red man group is also now sponsored by the fraternity of excellence There will be a link in the description of this video after the show ends. I'll put it in So you can join the fraternity of excellence. It's a great community that hunter drew and craig james created a couple years ago They always have a strong showing at the 21 convention And foe itself the fraternity is an online community of men. It's very strong very well put together It's a badass tribe. 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Oh Those were not yesterday on 21 studios putting out another one today another one tomorrow So we're just gonna be bombarding youtube with really high quality long form premium content Both on rmg and on 21 studios Beyond that I mean there's always a bunch of shit going on But that's the end just of that august is a huge month for us very busy and very awesome shit And prepping for alanda obviously later this year the final 21 convention of 2019 Anthony isn't your birthday in august It is august 25th coming up soon actually had my birthday. I just got for my mom Give the guy ball. We are all august babies. Okay, watch your find out. I was born I was born at 4 20 p.m. Which is kind of interesting get out of here Yeah, oh my god. That's so good. Well, august babies. This means our parents got it on for the holidays Yeah Uh, steve, um, what you got going on I can't I can't I can't give the time where where I was born like anthony all I know my parents were smashed november And I they had me august 21st. So that's all I know, but uh, what I have going on guys, uh, don't forget monday Eight east on this channel We've got the red pill mindset show and I'm gonna be talking about when it comes to life women and everything What kind of businessman are you that's what we're gonna be discussing on the show on monday So y'all guys go ahead and tune in also guys if y'all want to holla at me instagram man mindset twitter man mindset facebook man mindset and thank you anthony Thank you donovan. It's been great. I love I love this man and it wouldn't be possible It wasn't for a one man. Appreciate you all brothers. Yeah today's show was awesome. Um, this new Streamyard software is absolutely the truth. Oh wait one thing what they don't and The support of the chat room in my the chat room dogs Everything's coming around guys and we just want to say we appreciate y'all guys as well I just want to take a moment to say thank you to those that are listening who are gonna listen who are continuing to listen Absolutely. This is impossible without For sure. Um, yeah, definitely. Thank you for the super checks But yeah the show, you know the split screen and all the different views and bringing on, you know sharing the screen That's a game changer. I'm definitely going to be doing that a lot more on my channel when I have guests on I think that could be I think that could be very beneficial. Um, I'm actually going to be releasing Modules, um, I have a dude. I have an ocean of content out there and it's scattered all over the place Um, dude, some of it's on patreon. It's on youtube. Some of it's on my on my hard drive What am I going to what I'm going to be doing is I'm going to be compiling and I'm going to be grouping I'm going to be grouping this content And I'm actually going to I'm going to put it. Uh, it's going to be for sale on my website Um, so be on the lookout for those guys. It'll be it'll just be modules. It'll be the illimitable man chronicles It'll be the allen roger curry Uh, you know, uh Compilation um, if if you know if I've got a if I've got 10 or 11 episodes on game I'm going to put all those together It's going to be from it's going to be from the past all the way to the present So just be sure to stay tuned for that I'm also I'm also in the process of finishing up my book My book is coming out. Uh, I don't have an exact date, but it's coming out very very soon And it will be for sale exclusively on my website I don't know if I'm going to make it available on amazon or not. We'll see what happens, but we'll figure that out Other than that, that's uh, that's what I've got going on. Anthony, which yeah Yeah, last thing I forgot to mention. So there's so much going on We'll be launching tickets to new events this month as well in september For example the 2020 patriarch edition of 21 con those tickets will be released in a few weeks And tickets to the next summer is uh, poland convention will release soon as well It'll be a pre order is available. You can get it early So it'll be news on that you'll see on the community tabs and social media twitter all that shit So new events or land events coming up soon 2020 events lots going on All right guys, uh, that's going to do it for the 77th edition of the red man group We will see you guys back here uh next week. Thanks for watching