 Welcome to Reader Syndicate 3.0, the next evolution of the look into counterculture that is Canada. My name is Matthew, owner of Riot Seeds, and this started as a one-man mission for strain history and breeding science. Over time, it's evolved into something bigger, better, and more of a team effort. We will be joined by members of the Cannaluminati and other friends throughout the seasons to hear their takes on grow techniques, breeding science, strain history, and more. Our mission is to combat the narrative that corporate cannabis and seed posters are obfuscating for their own financial benefit. Welcome to the Underground. We are The Syndicate. And we're here this week with part two of our outdoor extravaganza. Talking about some of the new strains that were harvested this year with peaches, cushioned the giants, Little Hill, and of course, Thousand Fold as the host. I won't be here this week again, but I'm back the next week. One thing I did want to tell you about was that we're having a contest right now for a hitting 10K subs. We finally made it. We've been talking about it for a while, so go check out the contest video. It'll be up when this hits, and you'll be able to see all the deets on it. Last about a week, it's available for the Instagram account, breeders.syndicate.podcast, or other one got deleted. I'm not happy about it, so we had to make a new one. Essentially, if you're a follower there, you're going to be entered into a contest. We'll announce it on the show on, I believe, April 1st. We're going to have a separate contest for the Patreon members as well. All the details will be in that video. Go check it out. For now, let's start the show. There was one more strain I wanted to talk about that caught my attention from last year. It was something I got from my buddy from Oninaki Genetics up in Seattle. He sent me something called Isn't She Lovely? It's a purple pineapple expressed to a gorilla glue number 4. It was the first time I had seen a heavy purple plant that smelled like pure pining. I'd smelled pining and gotten really nice pining smells out of a lot of strains, but never a dark purple strain. There's hints of a little carfinoline or a little pepper in there, but it's mostly dominated by pining. That's another one that struck me as interesting and struck other people when I'm cracking jars. Somebody will grab that jar and they'll be surprised just as much as I am to get that kind of smell out of purple weed. It was another one of the highlights of last year's grow for me. Nice. Have you ever been to a party or a contest or maybe just like a group of friends together that they all bring their jars and you look, everybody's opening and smelling and you look like over the course of the night or the day or whatever and seeing certain jars will just be ransacked and other ones are still sitting there full. Have you guys ever noticed that? Yes. It's like you're not really watching, but it tells you what other people are liking. That's what happened at the party last year. There were lots of jars that were emptied quickly and there were lots of jars that were still plum full left on the table. That's always fun to see, honestly. Kind of tells the story itself. It talks for itself. It's like an unofficial little judgment and it's like, oh, okay. It's a poll, right? It's like everyone's raging basically. Maybe you know what, I'm just thinking about it, right? To make it as objective as possible, people shouldn't see how much is left in each jar because that might in and of itself encourage more people to take from the same jar. So I feel like the jars should be opaque or something for it to be a good test because otherwise people are just going to notice which jars are already empty. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. Yeah, I think that covers it mostly for stuff. Well, we could also cover a little more. Did Peaches want to have a second round of highlights? You know, the only, I would say the other one that I really enjoyed in the garden this year was Riot's Bubble Berry V2. It really did well. There was some blueberry turps and a few of them that were just, you know, really nice. It was one of the best growing ones as far as structure-wise the way it grew. It didn't hardly need any kind of staking or anything. I was really happy with that one. It seems to be consistently one of the easiest, you know, best growing things around. It feels like everyone says that, and I saw that too myself. Yeah. I got a pack of the Bubble Berry that I'm waiting to go for next year. I wanted to do it this year, but I decided to do the blue garg and the kush bonnet, whatever, the blue resin kush. This is just some armchair breeder theorizing for me, but I wonder if it's like one step away from becoming something like quite amazing in terms of like, it's got such a strong base, I feel like, or is such a good base for something? And I feel like it's perfectly great as it is, but I wonder if something could kind of like take it a little bit further. I just don't know what that might be. This is specifically the Bubble Berry V2 you're referring to. The Bubble Berry. Yeah. I'd like to cross it with the Barber Bud. That's what I'd like to do with it. What are you hoping to get? I went up and I washed what, 3.6 pounds of Bubble Berry, and unfortunately she's not a washer, at least not the phenos I had, but I have a feeling that in her is some potential, and then I think if it gets crossed, you know, because the Barber Bud is Shishka Berry by Afghani One. And I just think if we took the Bubble Berry V2 and put them together, that you could get some really good crosses and then increase the potential for washing a little bit better. Hell yeah. Interesting. All right, yeah, so I think that does a pretty good job of just going over what we grew last year and what we were really elated with. And for the next little segment, I think it would be fun to talk about, and this doesn't have to be a long segment. We can't, there's not a lot of juice to squeeze out of here, but just talking about post-season cleanup preparations for next year. Do you guys do everything after fall and it's all prepped for when spring comes around or do you let the winter happen and then prep in spring? And, you know, what kind of entails prepping for your following season? It'll be the next little topic that we go over. Little Hill, you want to start us off here and tell us what your post-season operations is like? Well, I do the least amount possible. I'm usually pretty burnt out and ready to call it a season by the end. And I mean, I planted a cover crop in September while there were still plants in the ground. It still hasn't really taken yet. And I don't know why I've always had issues with cover crops there. And they've always been very hard to get going before winter. So I'll reseed again this spring and see what I can get going. The cover crop was a mix of everything, clover, legumes, grasses, everything. Just because I don't know what's really going to perform for me. And I've tried this over the years so much. The weeds seem to do fine. So those will get tilled back in. But besides cover cropping, I roll up my trellises to reuse the trellis netting. Because my beds are long and linear. I'm actually glad that works out well because I can use that trellis for years. And that stuff's expensive. But as far as like, yeah, not much else in the order of cleanup. You know, besides like disconnecting irrigation and stuff like that. My stems are still in the ground. There's no sense in wrestling them out at the end of the season. Because if you just let them rot, they will pull out with no effort in the springtime. So that's what I let them do. And then you leave most of that root ball in the soil, which is good to break down in there. And you're really just pulling out the stem, which makes life a lot easier. You can spend days pulling out root balls. And there's just no point. They come out so easy after they rot. And I don't have to remove all trace of evidence of a grow. So I don't have to worry about that. But if you have to do that, that's different. But I don't. So I definitely like letting them rot. Oh, one other thing. Sorry. For the greenhouses, I have to take my skins off in the winter because they'll just collapse under snow load. Rather than taking them off and pulling them back on, which is such a task. We just roll them up to the center of the greenhouse. Because they have roll up sides anyway. So we just keep rolling them all the way up to the very peak of the greenhouse and then tie them off up there. And there's not enough room for snow to really collect. And that makes putting them on in the spring a heck of a lot easier. You just have to untie and let gravity do the rest. And it's so much nicer than wrestling with those things in the spring and the wind and all that stuff. They're big greenhouses. They're 108 feet long, some of them. It's a task. So that's my end of season breakdown. Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. By the end of the season, and I'm in trim jail, I'm not too worried about cleaning up everything down there at the end of the plot. And like you said, there are years where at the end of the year, I tried uprooting everything and trying to knock that dirt out of those root balls. You know, just sitting there and just beating the hell out of it, trying to get all the dirt out of it. Yeah, that's no fun. After a couple of season that, I just wait until the winter's over, wait till that snow's gone, wait for that defrost to come through. And then I start working my pots and pulling that stuff out of there. Last year, I had a little bit of a scare is my pots were frozen. Like up into March, almost. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say up into March, I still had my pots that were just sitting outside frozen solid. I was trying to get my shovel into them and not getting anywhere because the soil was frozen solid in those pots. Yeah, we had a winner last year. Yeah, yeah, it was some heavy, late winter, heavy late winners last year, yeah. There's some moments there where I was wondering if I'm gonna be able to get out on June 1st, wondering about the late night temps that I'm looking at. Yeah, it depends, varies from year to year. There are some years where I'll go down there and I'll cut stalks and I'll make walking sticks or I'll use the bigger stalks on the bigger plants for some sort of art or craft or some sort of hanging bar that'll go up in one of the sheds or something. But other than that, yeah, it's, you know, once harvest is done, I leave most of that stuff down there and a lot of that work gets done before the spring season, before I'm thinking about transplanting plants outdoors. What about giant peaches? Well, there's been a couple years where I haven't been able to pull off getting anything done after harvest because things have been too much and too crazy, but this year I actually managed to do everything I wanted, which was I went back through and turned all the pots. I added compost and biochar and then planted a winter cover crop that has like 12 different things in it and started watering it and I got them to sprout and they're now all full. So that's what I try to do. Sometimes I don't get to it. I got to pull down all the bamboo, pick up all the twine. We use hemp twine to go between the bamboo for all our trellising and stuff. And so we take all that down and make sure there's nothing left up there and no trash, no twine, put all the bamboo away and then let it go until springtime. Yeah, it seems to be a pretty concise agreement amongst a lot of outdoor guys is by the end of that season we're, you know, we're, we're hands are full and we're pretty exhausted from doing stuff since Mother's Day. Right? It is. Speaking of speaking of a heavy winter last year, I had something happen to me for the first time in this little valley. I, so for my water source, I'm about where I actually grow my outdoor plants. I'm about 200, 225 yards away from a creek, a natural creek inlet. And so I have 120, I think 120 gallon tote that I fill with the creek water and then spigot and tap off of that just to hand water my plants with a, with a normal hose off of that. But I use a little, a little pump to pump creek water that 225 feet over to my tote. So, and for the past 11 or 12 years now in this specific spot, I've always left my pump outdoors and I've never drained it and never had an issue with the, with the water freezing inside and destroying the pump. Well, last year our winter was bad enough that it split the bell housing, the pump housing, it literally basically cracked the thing straight in half. And I was like, whoa, that's the first time I've seen that happen. It was, it got pretty cold down in that valley last year for it to, to finally freeze the water in that pump and cause it to expand like that. That's the, the first encounter I've had with a pump freezing over like that. Yeah, I saw, I saw break metal. Yeah. Yeah. It looked like it did it pretty easily too. It didn't look like it had that hard of a time to in it. Yeah. I definitely had a lot of damage over winter, mostly fences, but I definitely had some pipe spray, not metal, but it was, it was a bad winter. Knock on wood. This winter doesn't seem as bad. We have a big storm coming right now, but it looks mostly, it looks like mostly rain with snow on the back end, but not much, but hopefully that holds up. Yep. So for post season cleanup, I think that pretty much covers that topic. I mean, you know, we all, we all kind of do the same thing. We do what we can when we can. And so to round off this discussion and finish the last little portion, let's just talk about what we're excited about for the following year or for the upcoming year. And this could include strains. This could include new, new additions to the farm, new plans you have, you know, new equipment that you plan on using just anything for this following up for this coming up year that you're excited to grow or excited to use in the garden. The peaches, let's start with you. What's got you excited for this upcoming year? Well, I actually have my Barb that I'm going to get to put out as clones and my keeper Fino. So I'm excited about that because usually we do everything from seed. And so I'm looking forward to not having to, you know, kick out males and know what I have. And then, yeah, that's always fun. And then I also have some seeds. They were calling it Barbarella. And it's a barber bud crossed with Renee. But recently they renamed it sweet peach because it is supposed to be peachier than the barber bud. And I happened when I bought the barber bud to get a free pack of that. So I'm really, really excited about that one because I'm hoping for even more peach turps. Wait, but are you mad that they called it sweet peach? Well, no, I mean, everybody's like, there's now a sour peach. There's all kinds of stuff. So, you know, it is what it is. It would have been nice because I would have probably planned on naming my Fino and something I make that, but it's okay. It is what it is. I'm just happy to find peach turps. So that's what I'm just really looking forward to that Barbarella. And then, like I said, having some clones already to go and not having to do the whole seed thing this time. I'm kind of looking forward to that part. It's good to hear. It's good to hear. It's always nice to have something you're excited for and especially you're looking forward to grow for the following year. Yeah, it's a little different because normally, I mean, I'm excited, but I'm not sure what we're going to get and have because we know two seeds and we've been searching through this and that. And so this year, the main focus is going to be on just a couple of strains that we've already grown and we know what to expect from them. Right. That's been something that's kind of addictive for me. The more that I pop the wider spectrum of these seeds and go further into these genetics is not knowing what you're going to get is as equal or almost more exciting to me than like a known cut that I know is going to perform well. Like they hold the same equal value in my brain. They both scratch the same itch, you know. What about you, Hill? What are you super excited about growing for next year? I'm excited about growing less strains, honestly. I grew such a variety this year just to see what was going to work for me in my expansion. I'm looking forward to having that narrowed down to four main strains in the outdoor, the Phoenix, Papaya Bomb, Mochi Runs, and Ice Cream Cake. And then in the depths, it's going to be a whole lot of Ice Cream Cake and a little Mochi Runs. And then a couple other greenhouses will have long finishers like sour diesel and Blue Dream. But there might be some cat piss in there as well on the early, early light depth because it does well in the cold. But other than that, my little side seed garden where I get to like grow some stuff and hunt through some stuff that I like either for personal or just to maybe work some breeding projects and just be a hobby grower in a little small space. I've got a collection of maybe six poodle nuts crosses that I'm going to grow out along with clones from those two S1s I like. So I'm excited to look through those. It's a pretty wide variety. I got Bubba Cush to poodle nuts from Caleb. Those are old seed that he used to give away as freebies. Oh man, that sounds great though. Yeah. Bubba Cush was the first thing he reversed to start his seed company. So it's from that. It's from that lot. So that's going back quite some time. Who knows how many will germinate? Can I ask just quickly? The Urkel itself, is it quite a slow venture? Oh yeah, big time. So it's just slow. Can you get it with Bubba as well? Bubba does a little bit better. Also a very squat, very slow. Lots of nodes, short inter-novel length, just like Urkel. But Bubba still grows faster than Urkel. Urkel's just one of the slowest. And then when you flip it, it doesn't stretch that much. So you really got to veg it to size. That's right. Yeah. So most Urkel phenotypes, like the poodle nuts, is a Urkel phenotype of its cross, just like T1000s, the Urkel phenotype of its cross. They're definitely on the shorter end of plants. What other crosses? Oh, I got one from Matt, which is one of his blueberry crosses crossed to poodle nuts, or blue bonnet crossed to poodle nuts. I got poodle nuts back cross from High and Lonesome. I got poodle nuts to Kim91 from Goat and Monkey seeds. And I've also got some poodle nuts to Triangle Cush from Goat and Monkey. And I bet I'm forgetting one. So you like poodle nuts. I love it. The smells really translate well. They're dominant in the crosses, which has always been surprising to me. But it crosses well to sour diesel. And honestly, that's why I want to get poodle nuts back so I can cross it to sour diesel and grow those out. That's really what I want to do. But if I can't get the cut back, I'm growing out these other varieties and I'm going to see what's what. Possibly do some crosses, but we'll see. Sorry, you did say this earlier, but one thing is poodle nuts, Urkel to Kimdi. Sorry, reminding. Yeah, not Kimdi, but it's a Kimdi 3BX. So it's sort of Kimdi. It's called Trace Dog. Oh, it's a Trace Dog. I got it. Yeah, JJ did a long time ago and made the cross to Urkel. Yeah. So it is, it is, it is very much Kimdi cross. And then I'm going to grow out a bunch of old heart attack cush seeds, looking for some early finishing plants that I know are in that genetic line, which is Cush Cleaner to SFV, or SFV to Cush Cleaner. And these are some F2s I made from that cross. And hopefully going to find some early finishers. That's definitely on the turpinoline scale. I've always, I've kind of like steered clear of too much turpinoline in my garden over the years, just because buyers kind of thumb their noses at it. But I feel like it's a, it's a turp, because it's so dominant in everything it's crossed to, like it's very easy for everything to end up smelling like Jack, Jackraer or turpinoline or Jack Terps, as people call it, or pine or whatever you want to call it. I feel like the, the, the next generation hasn't been exposed to it like we have. And so as long as it checks all the other boxes, and for me it needs to be early because I want something to finish early and to get my outdoor harvest started early. I mean, it seems to me to function really well as a counter point to something else. If you can get it to work with something else, right? Like alongside another nice turp. To me, it's just, it just overpowers everything it's crossed to. So you might find something that has a little bit of both, but for the most part you're just going to get hit in the face with a pine tree. Well, maybe this is why the Santa Cruz ricks are interesting to me because it does seem like there's an actual shot of getting like a blueberry turpinoline, like a decent balance. I, but I could be wrong. That's what I mean. If that's the case, that's great. Or maybe you got lucky, but the high, like having turpinoline in there I think is good regardless, just because I think it adds to a more euphoric sort of energetic high, which, you know, most of us are looking for it's easy to find the lethargic high, but if you can find that high that makes you clean your house and get motivated to do stuff, that's, that's always a fun tool in the toolbox, you know, for, for certain occasions. And I've always found that in the turpinoline strains. The, you know, they're typically they're more narrow leaf cultivars. Hayes has a lot of it. Durban poison has a lot of it. Trainwreck. Some of the super silver hazes that have gone around have been turpinoline dominant. I've heard that too. Yes. And I mean, all those Colombian Panama tie, they could, they all have that in their big time. So, and we know what kind of high those things have. So, I, I, I'll like having it in my garden as long as it sells. I don't know if it will or not, but for me having an earlier finisher and this is just a genetic line I happen to have in my fridge. And I know it's there because I've grown a lot of it over the years. It's just kind of like, hey, let's bring back some old stuff and see how it works. And maybe it doesn't, you know, but like, I've got a little bit of space so where I can experiment and do things like that. Just in, in hopes of finding something new that, that really works for me as a, as a grower. Very nice. And that's, yeah, that's about, that's about what I have cooking for next year. Sweet. Sweet. I'm a, I'm super, I'm super interested to see, especially with Bubba kind of making a little bit of that resurgence and, and, you know, CSI starting to, starting to do a little more work with it. I'm curious to see how more prevalent it start, if it's cyclical and starts coming back around more. Because Bubba was one of the first, like, one of the first ones that really stood out to me. And my, my younger and earlier days of smoking, it was the first one that really floored me. Who was that? It was me, 1000. Yeah, Bubba Kush was one of the first ones that really floored you. Yeah. So with CSI's upcoming work, I'm kind of curious to see if we see a resurgence in the community where a lot more people are playing around with it now. That would make me really happy. And that's, that's one of the things that I mixed personally that I'm excited for to try next year. I plan on looking through CSI's catalog and there's two things that, that I want to pick up to try for next year. One of them would be, I want to try the Humboldt uppercut by itself. I believe Hill, you were saying that you guys also got cantaloupe or like sweet honeydew melon out of the Humboldt uppercuts that you were growing. And the sweet 16 Humboldt uppercut that I grew was a dead ringer for cantaloupe, like smelling the plant. I couldn't believe how closely related to cantaloupe it was. And that just made me want to go back to the root of the Humboldt uppercut and pop some of those and see what's hanging out there. That was you, right? Little Hill that was talking about the Humboldt uppercut? No, no, I didn't grow that one. Okay, I can't remember who I was talking to but they had a friend and a family member who also grew them and they were mentioning cantaloupe terps and I just, I liked that line through and it made me want to go back to the to the original to see where it's coming from. That and also buying some of the new Bubba Kush stuff that he's got out. So I'll probably be running some Humboldt uppercut and some Bubba Kush stuff for next years outdoor. One of the sweet 16 hybrids that I was given but didn't get a chance to pop was the bubblegum. I'm really curious to see if the sweet 16 bubblegum cross keeps it if it comes across with bubblegum terps but still has the potency and the pungent fermenting smells that come from the sweet 16 it could really bolster those bubblegum terps that seem to fall off in every bubblegum strain that I've grown so far. I haven't had anything that smells like bubblegum in flour and then I harvest it, get it in jars and the bubblegum transfers over. It almost always dissipates. That sounds exciting that cross just because bubblegum does so well outdoors and has good finishing times and it's such a sweet frosty bud but yeah if it could do something to help it retain that smell and flavor that would be absolutely killer and it's been a great hybrid for outdoor growers as well. Anything crossed to bubblegum has done well for people. Same with Bubba. I haven't grown the bubblegum crosses but I've grown a lot of Bubba Cush crosses outdoors full term back when we were growing big plants and I was super surprised not being a huge Bubba Cush fan I was so surprised how big these plants got they still had those big broad leafs that Bubba Cush has but they were fucking enormous and most of them were OG crosses they got absolutely huge. That is surprising to me for sure. Yeah they loved the NorCal Sun and some of the biggest outdoor plants I've ever had. All the biggest outdoor plants I've ever had have been from seed but these were especially just girthy because of the size of their leaves and the thickness of their stems I even had a huge windstorm where the top of the plant actually blew off the plant so like the top maybe two and a half feet so that top cola they weren't topped or anything actually it looked like a grenade went off in the plant and there were trellis and everything but that that stem just blew straight off the plant and this was in September and it was a loss on that part that blew off but yeah like a grenade went off. So I would have thought that a Bubba type would be quite mold prone as well. Yeah you would think that that makes sense big thick indica buds. I didn't have any issues. I typically didn't have mold issues back in the day growing big outdoor plants I was selecting strains that wouldn't mold on me but stuff that molds on other people didn't mold for me but I didn't have any issues CSI might say different where he was because I know he always had more mold problems than I did but I don't know maybe it's just part of the vigor but the buds were dense and all the parameters were there for bad mold I just never had that issue Has anyone done a bubble gum Bubba cross? I haven't. It's one of the reasons that has me so interested it's a keystone factor into why I'm curious about trying the sweet 16 bubble gum is it's notorious mold resistance and bud rot resistance I don't have any fears of running that sweet 16 bubble gum outdoors as long as it can go full term the two other examples of the bubble gum cut that CSI use that I grew in my garden they were grown outdoors endured multiple rainstorms that were over an inch and even the Albert Walker bubble gum survived ice like there was snow that landed on it and then froze and it was like actual I'd like thump the nugs to get ice sheets of ice to fall off the buds and there was not a trace of mildew not a trace of mold not a trace of bud rot I was really impressed with the impervious qualities to mold that his bubble gum cut had and that Albert Walker bubble gum plant that I had it had every chance to create mold it had exposed stems and branches that were rubbed and had had dead cell material on it had decaying fan leaves it had plenty of moisture all of the right qualifiers to create a molding mess were there and it just didn't happen so yeah I'm really curious to see what the sweet 16 bubble gum does next year I might end up doing probably three plants or I could go with the method that I did with the sweet 16 Kim D's and grow three of them in one pot and kind of let them vie for control and fight for each other for some five six foot tall plants instead of some 10 foot tall monsters yeah so next year I'm excited about the bubble cush stuff I'm excited about more sweet 16 stuff I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna run some more Appalachia stuff but this time I'm probably gonna run the Appalachia f3s just to get a sense of the green crack and the tres dog mix together I'm really like ooh nice nice I liked everything that I saw out of the Appalachia hybrids mostly the outdoor vigor literally just growing giant butterball bushes so I want to go back to the core Appalachia and see what's there I'll probably run the lupus headband Appa because I was so impressed with the plant that my brother grew last year I'm also super excited to jump back on the humboldt's most wanted which I grew two years ago didn't grow last year and then jonesen for it this year it was one of my favorite plants grew itself another girl scout the hybrid from CSI that is just does its own thing and provides really great smoke for me and it perfectly works for my climate what else am I excited for next year the Santa Cruz wreck mixing the blue dream with the ATWs I'll probably run category 5 again because I liked it a little more than the mojo rising and my brother liked the mojo rising more than the cat 5 so I'll probably run a couple cat 5s I definitely am interested in trying to get the blooper skunk up and running the g-sole blue bonnet I had two of them last year but both of them turned out being males super unfortunate they were really big healthy bushy plants and I was looking at them and I was like oh man these end up being female these are going to be great some of them were males the blueberry 9 the riot berry the blue garig those are all riot stuff that really intrigued me and so on top of trying some more riot gear some more goat farm gear some more CSI gear I'm also going to return back to some of the stuff that I've created in 2021 I created a series of pintar kush hybrids and I've played around with them here and there but friends and close relatives have grown them more than I have and I've seen some really really good success in the living dead girl pintar kush crosses and the lemon party pintar kush so next year this coming year I'm going to be playing around with some of my own seeds a little more I'm going to get back into the KOTGF ones the black cherry soda hybrids that I crossed to the sour diesel white widows in 2018 I grew a handful of those and I was just really happy with everything that came out of them and I just haven't revisited it yet because I've been so happy exploring this plethora of genetics that I've been thankfully given access to so I'll do a little return to sender and come back home and pop some of my own stuff and you know get back into my own genetics which I'm also just as excited about Hell yeah I did think of one prompt I had or a question I had for Peaches I don't know if she wants to speak to it though but I wondered if you might tell us a bit about the early pearl stuff I know it's kind of like more on Buck's side of the story and we even have maybe talked about doing a whole episode on that but I wonder if you give us like a little you know update on that what the story is there well the early pearl has been his definite he's been on the search for a while last year yeah it has been ever since I've met him actually which you know we met at 18 so it's been a long time and last year man we had the early pearl out there we had the silver pearl S1 we had pips perfect pearl and then we had the lost pearl and we also had the Hunza Valley 91 by early pearl that we had made the year before because you know he's searching for that one phenotype and this year actually he tracked down some 20 year old early pearl clone and so that's one of the one that's gonna go out on the hill too he's really excited about that one because he said from what he talked to the guy about it has the smell and the looks of what he's been searching for so it's gotten to the point like we've done this so much last year I told him he couldn't have any of the pots on the hill for early pearl that I was doing my peach hunt so there is like I don't even know 20 some plants down here in one gallon pots that he was searching through last year we found one male that we kept it's in the room back there that we're gonna use for breeding and then you know it's just he's still on that search we haven't found the one yet so I don't know if that covered what you're asking about or if they're asking him I think the fact that like he is such a strong affiliation with that particular plant in his mind and you know searching for it it's kind of an epic story it is it's a real epic story because that you know he's the short little story is you know when he he lost his dad when he was young and then this guy who mentored him was really like a father figure to him and probably one of the only men in his life that was actually like a decent man to him and wasn't you know an ass and he showed Cass you know all about this growing and I mean Cass had been growing before but when he went there this guy was his mentor and he was a good person and as well as a good grower and it was the early pro was the stream that he went and helped him with you know his wife had cancer at the time and that's why he went over there to help him grow so he could be you know taking care of it way took her to chemo and did that stuff and um so that strain was what him and his his name was Stan Harding and his whole thing about this is trying to get his story told because he was one of those old guys who you know ended up going to jail and he they let him out to die basically and it's just one of those stories of you know so many of us have of our uncles or grandpas that the you know the war on drugs took people from us that should have never been taken and so that strain means a lot to him and that's why we've done a lot to try to bring it back and try to find you know that exact one it's just been really hard these stories like that are like keystone like moments for a lot of the cannabis community it's some of my favorite some of my favorite stuff in the community is hearing people who have been chasing this strain for x amount of years or they're trying to get back to it because it meant so much to them it's really cool to see people in the community that have that gumption to chase after something like that yeah I mean it's it's taken you know well you guys know like seed pack we probably gone through I don't know 20 plus seed packs over the last few years just trying to find that one and we still haven't found it so now we're switching to the trying to you know breed with it and you know got the mail and try to you know bring it back and bring some vigor back to it he you know feels like it's really kind of lost what it had back then and you know there's a whole really neat story to it all I don't want to tell it all right now because I know he wants to do an episode on it but like it did that strain specifically well that Fino of the early pro I should say it was a Fino did make it out to like the Grateful Dead Cypress Hill digital peoples I mean there was a whole little thing that happened with that strain that that would just be neat to have that story told and it'd be really neat for him to actually find it so hopefully one day we can get there yeah it's epic and yes we will hopefully have an actual show on this maybe actually it's like a maybe it'll be a good time to do it like either before the next season starts or a part way through or something yeah we'll see but thanks for sharing that kush what else other than that yeah I think that wraps up most of what we're talking about I know that we could talk a little bit about the future of the Outdoor Roundtable and where it's going to go for 2024 tell us about your ideas so mostly my idea is basically a framework replica of what we did last year we're going to check in every month or every couple of months about what we're doing in the garden if anything's new updating with our Outdoor Grows but also sprinkled in I'm going to start to try and do some interviews over the years through Instagram, through ICMAG forms, through people I've met in the valley all over Northern California I plan on doing interviews with these select people and just sitting down and having a one-to-one conversation and getting to know some of these Outdoor Growers much like myself a lot of us are recluse and we wouldn't without being prodded or poked we wouldn't have jumped into the community and started talking and making ourselves more known and I know tons of cats like this I got five or six guys at the top of my head and women, both guys and girls that I want to interview and I want to have discussions with and they're all great Outdoor Growers and great minds for what they're doing in their own respective rights and I think that more people should have discussions with them a lot of these people I've spent a lot of time sending paragraphs back and forth talking about weed but haven't sat down and done an actual voice conversation like this and I think people need to be exposed to the different shades of growers that we have out there almost no two Outdoor Growers are alike it's a very unique community that I've ran into so far and I'm excited to talk to them and sprinkle in some of those interviews throughout the year on top of just the normal Outdoor Roundtable stuff Honestly sounds great man and I think we already have quite a good foundation to build on and very appreciative of your efforts Cushion but also peaches and little health helping us out so much over the last six months or whatever I appreciate you guys coming and providing your thoughts and your insight and sitting down and chatting with us I really enjoy it I really appreciate the invite and getting to sit and chat with you guys thank you Yeah, I'm happy to be a part of it I love talking about weed so it works out well for me and hearing other people's experiences with some of these strains I don't get a chance to grow Yeah, I'm happy to chat as the season moves forward to talk about what's going on and what issues are arising and the season's a marathon so it's fun to check in and see how everybody's doing and how they're dealing with different things so right on guys To me that is a really nice thing about Outdoor, at least living in a similar region anyway where you guys are actually in pairs with each other and kind of check in whereas if you're an indoor grower it doesn't really matter you don't have seasonal progression I guess Yeah, there's a couple major keystones going outdoors when everybody and then when it flips into flower we're all not on the exact same schedule but we're all tuned into the same we're right on par with each other I never thought about it compared to indoor you know guys who are modulating their own schedules No, I love it it's like a set of rituals or something Yeah, I feel like my outdoor garden the more I do it it turns into a ritual it's become a meditative process for me it's like unconscious meditation just going down hanging out with the plants cutting a few families here and there I've done it for so long now that it's basically a part of my life and it's like meditation to me now It's your second nature Yeah Right Alright guys well I think I can probably wrap us up I'll do the shout outs Any shout outs from you guys I got one You guys can hit me up on Instagram Little Hill Cultivators I'm still selling a farm swag all organic cotton American made farm swag if you guys want to represent It's a pretty low key way to do it there's nothing that says cannabis on it so I appreciate the support and I got to actually get some breeder syndicate swag to wear because I like the design and want a sort of low key support the channel Yeah I need to get Matt to get on the snapbacks get some hats Yeah I'm not sure what's going on with the riot merch at the moment I think it's going but not 100% Any shout outs from Peaches Wilkesh at this point No I mean just come to the discord and ask questions you know come talk to me about edibles and hash and I'll answer your questions Yeah same same mirrored sentiment just a shout out to the community I wouldn't be here if you guys didn't want me here and I'm always open for questions you know so feel free to hit me up discord instagram shoot me a message let's talk I'm always open to talk about plants I was going to say as well going back to an earlier point you made Kush about seeing who you could get on if between you and little hill you can actually get Caleb on again you guys would deserve a medal get a trophy you can get Denali on again same I'll get Nazir for sure because I always those are my favorite episodes when he's talking or a couple other folks he talks to Matt quite a bit and Matt says that he tries to be polite because he's a friend and he doesn't want to pressure him too much but I'm like why don't you just pressure him I'll pressure him he'll just say no but I don't care we'd love to have that guy on Denali's definitely planned for return Caleb we'll have to do some sweet talking yeah maybe across you two and Matt maybe we'll get somewhere we'll wrangle them I'll try to do the shout outs that Matt normally does you guys already mentioned come check out our discord patreon we have Riot Seacoa Europe for Seeds in Europe we have Goat by Seeds covering Australia New Zealand of course Riotseeds.com and Lyfted 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