 The Gracie family, 30 years of training got beat in 10 seconds by a jiu-jitsu person. So that's what got me into jiu-jitsu. The pleasure of the food, the taste of the food becomes a determining factor why we eat certain things and we don't eat other things. Didn't your dad at 95 still he could do jiu-jitsu and handstands or something? I saw a video one time. Wasn't he like that? He was 94 and a half six months before he passed away and kicked my butt at 94 and a half. You were telling me you went down to Central America and they tested your biological age. What did you say that the number was? Welcome everybody to the Tai Lopez show. I am here with a very special guest, Grandmaster Horion Gracie. If you've ever heard of Brazilian jiu-jitsu you probably know and have heard of the family. The Gracie family, Grandmaster Horion is one of the, you could say the godfathers of the family. I think I read it in the Guinness Book of Records. It's the largest professional sports family. It has the most children, cousins, sisters, brothers that are professional athletes. So it's pretty quite an accomplishment. Yeah, the Gracie family is like a plague. They're all over the place now. Like a plague. I've trained with your sons and of course you're above you that you learn from your father and uncle that were the founders of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. In fact, those are the ones that reserved the 10th degree of red belt is for the guys who founded my father and his brothers. Everybody else can only get to the ninth degree. So your father was Elio and he is the 10th degree and his brother Carlos, right, was the, what year did they found the sport? Because they were doing like Japanese style jiu-jitsu, which wasn't that good if you were a smaller guy. So what year was it when they actually launched? In around 1915, 1917 Mitsui Maeda came to Brazil as an aid to the Japanese immigration colony. He befriended my grandfather, Gaston, and then my grandfather helped him get settled in northern Brazil. And then to show gratitude to my grandfather, Mitsui Maeda offered to teach jiu-jitsu to my 15-year-old uncle Carlos. He was the oldest of eight children, five of them were boys. My dad was the youngest one, 11 years younger than my uncle Carlos. And so our college trained with the Japanese instructor for a couple of years. And then when the family moved from northern Brazil where they live in the state of Pará by the Amazon, when they moved down south to Rio, uncle Carlos shared the techniques he learned, the Japanese version of jiu-jitsu with his brothers. And then my father at the time was physically a frail child. He'd run up a flatter stairs and then thinking spells and stuff like that. So the doctor at the time recommended he be kept away from any kind of physical activity, which included jiu-jitsu. So as the brothers kept learning from uncle Carlos and fine-tuning their techniques, my father used to just hang out and watch the brothers train. Until one day when he was 16 years old, a student showed up for a class, but my uncles are not around to teach the class. So my father, based on what he had memorized over the years, offered to teach the men a class. The guy agreed. My father stepped on the mat and taught the men a class. By the time they got done, uncle Carlos showed up, very apologetic. I'm so sorry I'm late. Let's have the class now. And the students said, Carlos, I had a class with a little brother, Elio. And I liked it. In fact, I want to be his student from now on. So I thought I wanted to be a teacher by his own student. What the old man realized is the technique he had memorized based on the traditional jiu-jitsu, the brothers were practicing requires a certain amount of physical ability and strength and speed, which he did not have. So to trial and error, my father, modifying the traditional Japanese techniques, giving more emphasis to natural body movements, better timing, shorter techniques, more leverage and so forth, making it possible so that he could become proficient in spite of his lack of strength. Transformation process is what we call Brazilian jiu-jitsu for Gracie Jiu-jitsu. Yeah, it's so interesting because so many guys, I actually saw in the 1950s, there was one of the most famous marketing pieces of advertisement. It was in like comic books and it showed like 10 little squares. And the first square was a guy with his girlfriend. And then a bully came and kicked sand on him. And he was too weak so he couldn't, you know, fight back. And the girl said, oh, you're weak. And she didn't like him. And the girl went with the bully and the boy in the movie Karate Kid was the same thing. You know, they have the main character Ralph Machio's at the beach and then he gets beat up by this guy and then he learns how to train. But that was teaching an old program of like where you push your hands together, isometrics. But Brazilian jiu-jitsu, the thing about it, it's so effective. So many things that they say, a skinny, weaker guy or even a strong guy can do. They just don't work in reality. Whereas jiu-jitsu is like, I like jiu-jitsu, you know, I'm only a blue belt. I'm not even remotely near where you are, obviously. But even as a blue belt, you just, it works. You can hold something, you can go for the neck. If in a night, what people don't realize it's like a dog, most dangerous and vulnerable part of a human, a dog goes for your neck if it wants to kill you. And jiu-jitsu, instead of trying to do eye pokes and this, that, it's like, am I right to say that the majority of fights, like very serious street fights, end up with a rear naked choke? Often it's a very common move because if you get into a fight with someone and if most of the fights really end up in a clinch and eventually get to the ground, if the person has an idea of what they're doing, they're going to look for a top position. And on the process of, you know, scaring or punching or striking the opponent, it's very common that in order to protect themselves from getting hurt, they'll turn their back, exposing themselves for a rear naked choke. It's kind of a natural evolution of things. Yes, it's a very common move, a very handy. And instead of bringing somebody to a poke, you can just put them out to sleep and it's a very much, it's a more humane way to control the situation. Yeah, because you could just kind of, that neck is that weak point. Obviously, there's other moves. Yeah. So I'm so thankful you came on. We're going to talk about the Gracie diet, which is something you've pioneered in. And the book is something that I love the book. We talked about it on the last time you were on the show. I want to talk a little bit about you and founding the, being the co-founder of the UFC, which is now this huge sport. Also, discipline and self-control, because I think to be successful, there's still some basics that no matter what book you read, mentor, what AI software, e-commerce, so if you're not a disciplined person, nothing works. It's kind of like if you don't have air, you can't live. You can have a nice house in a car, but if you're not breathing correctly or if you stop breathing, it's over. And I feel like now, I want to get your opinion on this. Now with social media, you see out in public, everybody's on their phone all the time. I'm guilty of it. You as somebody looking as like a grandmaster, not just of Jiu-Jitsu, but you've learned so much in life, do you think people need to really fight against the urge to have a short attention span? 100%. It's not only, it's the consequences of that, that we keep passing on to the kids, the next generation. There's just like a whole bunch of little zombies, they're no longer stopping the connection without human beings. It's a very sad situation. And of course, the internet can be a source of learning everything you want. You can have access to everything. It's very quick and that kind of stuff has this very strong beneficial side to it. But the side effects, the consequence of the other side also can be extremely dangerous and damaging to people in general because of that lack of human connection that it's creating amongst us. It's something to be very attentive to because when we got nosy consequence of something like this in the future. Yeah, I was just in Copenhagen, Denmark, and there's a Jiu-Jitsu school there. She's a Brazilian. It's called Hive. She's Brazilian. She's a black belt and she teaches classes. But one nice thing there is you're not allowed to, you can't bring your phone on the mat. So for that one hour training, it's good and it's funny. Like people, one hour of not having their phone is a big deal for a lot of people. You know, people go to sleep and wake up on their phone. And so Jiu-Jitsu, I think, don't you think it's a good sports is a good way to just connect to the moment? Sports in general, whatever activity you're doing, if you can just like you said, live that moment doing that kind of activity is very beneficial, especially now because it's so tempting to jump into a million different, you know, digital equipments and access to all kinds of stuff. And it's easy to get distracted with that. But yeah, you have to have developed the discipline, like you said, that you must be focused and prioritize what's really necessary and important for a healthy lifestyle, especially now. It's just so easy to fall into the temptation of getting caught up on everything else that important. What's your philosophy on? So if somebody's a busy entrepreneur, a lot of my followers, what do you think is the minimum? And I know maybe it's not a good question because you shouldn't think in minimum, but what's the minimum you think somebody should go to the gym, do Jiu-Jitsu, do sports? Do you think it's every day is the minimum six days a week, seven days a week, or can somebody, you know, who's starting out, do you like, what do you think is that answer? I've heard people say that if you can, you know, exercise, go for a walk for 30 minutes, three times a week, it like increases your chance of improving your heart like 30 or 40%. Because you eat every day, you sleep every day, you do a little bit of things every day. I don't think there's no reason why you should not exercise every day or at least five days a week, some kind of a walk or, you know, lift up a little bit of weight, something, find something to do five times a week would be great for you. It's very important. I think that would be the minimum. That's what I try to do. When you were training pro athletes, you know, these, that became these great fighters, did you do a lot of cross training? Like, did you want them to lift some weight, do some jogging, like Mike Tyson's, you know, all over social media now and he talks about like, I wake up at three in the morning and I box and then I would hit the gym and then I would watch film of my opponents. And did you like that kind of a ride or did you just like, let's just do Jiu-Jitsu for eight hours? You know, I'm old school, you know, I grew up doing Jiu-Jitsu since I was literally a baby. I had diapers under my first ski and then all I did all my life was Jiu-Jitsu. That's the only thing I ever did, you know. Now I'm doing a little bit with weights, you know, two, three times a week and I'm going for my walks and doing that kind of stuff. But growing up, I spend, you know, as soon as I start teaching at like 14 or 15, I would spend, you know, if I'm not in school for four or five hours a day, I was teaching classes. So my life is literally being spent on the math teaching classes. Of course, partying with my students throughout the day is a great exercise as well. Teaching from like seven o'clock in the morning until like one o'clock in the afternoon, go home, had a bite to eat, take a nap for 15, 20 minutes and then go back to teach again from like three o'clock to nine o'clock at night. So I spend, you know, most of my life on that schedule. Exercising with a little bit of weight and running and sprint, all that kind of thing can only help, especially if you're going to be a professional athlete where your priority is not staying home teaching someone, which was my case. I never thought about being a professional athlete. I fell into the challenge matches of hundreds of them that I had when I first came to America, because I needed to prove the effectiveness of Jiu Jitsu. But I never trained to be a professional athlete. I was just naturally pushed into a Jiu Jitsu lifestyle, and which I loved every second of it. Instead of, you know, competing in winning a medal, I always preferred to be a very good teacher and transform someone's life. I saw that as my calling, you know. And like I said, when I came to America and moved here to 1978, and I start teaching class out of my garage, I would teach classes one after the other. And some people would say, oh, my karate instructor, a kung fu instructor is jealous that I'm no longer training with them. He wants to challenge you to a fight. I would say, well, bring the guy in here, and we'll find out. So he'll bring the instructor through the garage to fight me. And because Jiu Jitsu is indeed the most effective form of self-defense, it would give me the elements of subduing the opponent in a very humane way, getting him in a clinch, taking him to the ground, and without having to beat anybody. I let the guy wear himself out for 30 seconds, and he'd be so exhausted. And most of the guys, because they saw the ease and the simplicity of the effectiveness of Jiu Jitsu, they would say, hey, can I learn this stuff? And even though they were instructors of other martial arts, they walked out of there, you know, wanting to sign up for Jiu Jitsu classes, my friends, and telling everybody about that. So that's how the West was won. All I did is Jiu Jitsu all my life. I never was very much into working out with much weight and doing this, because like I said, I wasn't a professional athlete per se, but I was mainly a Jiu Jitsu teacher, and I'm very happy that I spent my years doing that. So in the challenges, how many of those challenges did you win? Countless. I mean, all of them. Oh really? So you were basically, you won all of them, yeah. I won all of them, yeah. What was the closest to, who did the best? Was it the karate guys? Was it the wrestlers? Like, who was the naturally the best against Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Well, the karate, the karate, taekwondo, you know, kung fu boxer, those guys are very efficient. Don't take me wrong. A strike can really knock someone out as simple as that. The difference is, you know, a wrestler, for example, is more accustomed to the grappling aspect of it, or even a Judo guy who's more accustomed to that, they can last a little bit longer, but still, they don't know what's coming. The objective of a Judo guy is to throw you on the ground and put your back on the ground. For them, that's the end of the Jiu Jitsu. The fight's just beginning. I don't mind if you throw me on the ground, and then I go to your back and choke you out to catch on an analog. Same thing with a wrestler. He also wants to pin my back to the ground. He pins my back to the ground in between my legs. I can choke him out. I can catch on an analog and put him on a triangle. For me, being my neck on the ground is irrelevant. So Jiu Jitsu has this much more objective goal, which is to submit your opponent, not just to score a point to your opponent. So, you know, strikers of karate, like I said, you know, punches and kickers, those guys would come to spar with me in the garage. They had no idea that I had no problem in getting into a clinch because the issue with those guys is if they stay too far, they can't strike you because their hand can't reach you. But in order to get closer to be able to hit me, as soon as they start getting close enough, I jump in and catch them. So, the minimum opportunity they had to strike at me is very short. And odds are in my favor, you know, that I'm going to get into a clinch, keep him to the ground, not going to give him the space to start again before they know it. They're already on the ground and that's the fight's over. So, it's not me, Ty, let me remind you of that. It's not that I am good. It's that I know something that is just absolutely magical. As they say in Brazil, in a blind man's land, he who has one eye is king. So, you were maybe, you think you were 500 and 0 maybe or something, 800 and 0? How many challenge matches do you think you had? I don't know. It's countless. For 10 years, I literally had hundreds of challenge matches. People would say, hey, can I bring my instructors? Like, yeah, sure, bring it on. And I'll tell my students, you know, hey, come check it out. Such and such guys coming up Wednesday night at seven o'clock. And the students would bring their friends. For me, it was a great marketing strategy because the people would bring their friends and they would get impressed with that. Like I said, they didn't want to hurt the instructors. Most of the guys who came to challenge me walked out of there, my friends and students of mine. So, they just kind of occupied like this. It was a really, really good time, you know. Yeah, one of my brothers, he trained with Marco Huas, who was UFC winner number eight or something. Kind of valetudo, strong guy. But my brother is the first one who really told me I was all I needed. I had done judo first time when I was like 12, did a little bit. And then I was going back and I was like, I'm going to do karate. And my brother's like, oh, I used to do Taekwondo and I met these guys from Brazil. And he's like, and he's like challenge match. He said his teacher got destroyed. Maybe he went, maybe his teacher went against you because he's like, I see my teacher got destroyed, you know, like from Japan or Korea, 30 years of training got beat in 10 seconds by a jiu-jitsu person. So that's what got me into jiu-jitsu. And obviously, I don't have the time to, I wish I had, you know, I have to balance it. But let me ask you this, because we were talking before we started the show, changing the subject for a second, the Gracie diet and self-discipline and all this. You were telling me you went down to Central America and they tested your biological age. What did you say that the number was? Well, I stepped on a machine while doing an examination down there. And the doctor enters your age, your height, and your age, your height, and your weight. And the machine reads your body age. And I did that in the end of last year. Well, I was 270. I just turned 71 a few months ago. And at the time, the machine read my body is at 45. Wow. The doctor was really blown away because he said, I've never seen a 70-year-old guy with a body of a 45. Really? What do you attribute that to? She said, absolutely, your diet. And which doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, people nowadays eat all kinds of junk, as you know. Processed food is in everything you do everywhere. And thanks to my uncle Carlos, my father's older brother, the guy who first learned jiu-jitsu in fact in the Gracie family, he realized back in the early 20s, the important correlation between good performance and good health. So although he was not a doctor, back in the late 20s or in the 30s, he started studying nutrition, reading the words of doctors and scientists and nutritionists. Anything he could put his hands on. And the result was that he came up with a concept of food combining, which for him was the essence of proper health, to keep your body alkaline. And the way you mix foods at each meal is what really makes a Gracie diet, which is not a restrictive diet at all, unique from all the other concepts of eating out there. It's not that you can't eat, it's not a restrictive diet, like I said. You can basically eat whatever you want, as long as you combine the foods properly at each meal. For example, for breakfast today I had one cantaloupe, fresh squeezed one cantaloupe, which is two big large glasses. I put in a blender with four bananas, and then I got the meat, the coconut meat, not the water, but the meat of the coconut. I blended that all together and had that for breakfast. But it's not a vegan diet, right? I mean, you have cottage cheese and you have meat and all these kind of things. Yeah, you can eat whatever you want. Like I said, you combine your food. Now if you're a vegetarian, you can be a vegetarian within the concepts of the Gracie diet. You can eat whatever you want. That doesn't matter. It's a combination of foods is what determines this stuff. So I haven't had lunch yesterday, but yesterday I had a crab risotto with a salad. In my salad I put olive oil and garlic and salt, olive oil and salt. And then do not put lime on your salad, because lime is a acidic fruit and that will mess up the whole meal. Okay. Some people would have a piece of fish and just because of habit, they put a squeeze of lime over their fish. It might taste good because you're accustomed to do that, but it ruins your meal. So according to the Gracie diet, you should not put a lime on your fish. People are so accustomed to do that, I understand. And more often than not, we just develop certain eating habits and keep those habits because it tastes good. In other words, the pleasure of the food, the taste of the food becomes a determining factor why we eat certain things and we don't eat other things. You like it, you eat it, you don't like it, you don't eat it. The problem is a lot of things that you like are not good for your health. People have to become aware of that. That's the tricky part. I was fortunate enough to be born into a family where not only is your juice was a priority for us to train since we're little babies, like I said, but my baby bottles or watermelon juice blended with bananas. So there was somebody thinking about that for me before I was even understanding what was going on. I remember going to birthday parties when I'm five, six years old with my brothers and I get to the party and the father of the mother of the child, you know, celebrating the birthday, would give us a piece of cake and I'll say, thank you very much. It's not my time to eat. I'm five years old. The people say, hey, what's going on? It's a birthday party. Your son is telling me that it's not his time to eat. That's because my father was careful enough to, number one, teach us that we shouldn't eat somewhere else because, you know, this food sometimes will not combine according to our guidelines. But more importantly, he would make sure to feed us dinner before we went. So we went in a full tummy. So I'm not tempted to eat a piece of chocolate cake because I'm hungry. So the old man had all that careful. So he would explain to the father, we have a certain way of eating. Don't worry. They just went there to play with a friend and stuff like that. But teaching us the concept of discipline, like you're talking about, is crucial because I learned to eat this. It's okay. This is not okay. The same way I could know to a piece of cake when I'm a little kid, when I'm a teenager, I'm saying, oh, thank you very much for a joint or a glass of Coke or, you know, a beer. I learned that certain things are beneficial. Some things are not beneficial. And this is kind of stuff you'll learn at home. And I was like I said, for being an environment where health and priority and exercise and training and stuff was, this was priority in our lifestyle, a very sport and lifestyle. And then as I grew up, you know, I spent all my life growing up, you open the fridge in my house, there was never, you know, a bottle of wine or a beer or, you know, drinks and stuff like that. Never such a thing because my father didn't drink. So he kind of an example for us was easy to fruit the vegetables all the time. And I'm not saying it's wrong, the person to drink. I mean, anybody can do whatever they want, of course. But in our house, it was a priority because my father tells me that when he was growing up, 13 years old, he went on an efficient trip with some friends and somebody opened a bottle of Cachaça. It's a very like a tequila kind of drink. Yeah, yeah. And he was the youngest guy on the boat at 13, and he tried it and he absolutely loved it. So he came home, his brother said, Carlos, I found my drink. It's Cachaça. Carlos said to him, Elio, don't drink because you're never going to find anything good for you at the bottom of the bottle. And my father never drank again. Not in my whole life. That was he was 13 years old at the time. Never in my whole life. I saw my dad with a glass of empty glass of champagne to say happy new year. Never, ever, ever. It doesn't touch drink at all. Because he never drank. He felt the importance of don't drinking. No, not drinking. And he want to set up an example for us. And in terms of raising a child, example is not the best way to educate your kids. It's the only way. Imagine if I light up a cigarette and tell my kid, don't smoke. Or if I'm drinking, I say to the kid, don't drink. It's not going to work. As soon as he has a chance with his friends, and somebody brings a cigarette, he's going to try it because mom or dad are doing it. It's an implicit way to say it's okay. So you have to be that example so that you can have not only the respect from the kids, but lead by example. That's the only way it works. Yeah, otherwise it doesn't work. Same thing. Like I said, you know, I never drank. So my kids growing up, they open the fridge, there's fruits and vegetables. You know what I'm saying? And then now it doesn't say they can't drink if they don't want to. Whatever anybody can do, whatever they want. In fact, there's a chapter on the Gracie diet book that I talk about if you enjoy drinking once in a while, whatever it's your party, your choice, but at least eat right. You know what I'm saying? Eat right the whole week. And on the weekend, we have a glass of wine or something. But if you eat the wine the whole week, it'll be much more beneficial than if you say, well, I want to drink so, you know, mess up the diet, throw it away, and I don't care anyway. No, you should think about what you're eating because it makes a huge difference. The discipline, there's no way around it. There's two kinds of pains, you know that. There's the pain of discipline and the pain of regret. So it's worth investing on your discipline, whatever it takes to make you healthier. Because my friend, I'm telling you, you're too young still, but at 71, the bill will come. It's worth investing on your life, on your health because as you get older, I realize that it's amazing what I can do today. I ride my horse and I train Jiu Jitsu. I do everything I did, you know, a little slower than maybe, but the energy is there. I work up in the morning, six 30 every morning, just, you know, 300 miles an hour. I don't need to drink coffee. I'm like, you know, always ready to go and enjoy my life. So are you not a big, are you not a big caffeine person? Zero coffee. If I drink coffee, I'll fly everywhere. Yeah, too much energy already. Too much energy. In fact, your dad was like that. Didn't your dad at 95 still, he could do Jiu Jitsu and handstands or something? I saw a video one time. What, wasn't he like that? Yeah, Uncle Carlos, again, he was like 92 or 93 years old. He was doing a handstand when he was 80 something, something like that, you know. And then my dad, last time I saw my father, I went to visit him on his ranch in Brazil. He was 94 and a half, six months before he passed away. I get to the ranch, he gave me a kiss and said, hold on, let's go in the mat. I want to show a new choke I'm working on and kick my butt at 94 and a half. That's for me is my opportunity to see Uncle Carlos and my dad and the elderly, having not only living long lifestyles, but they had good quality of life. My father was kind of an example that I want to get to that point. That's what I'm hoping for. And based on what I've been doing today, the way I feel today, I'm on track to do that. One thing I heard you say when you're talking about your earlier, you were saying your schedule, you know, you would teach and you would take a nap, sleep for a second. So what's your philosophy on how many hours of sleep somebody should have, minimum, and then also things like naps? What's kind of your view? I think sleep is crucial, right? It's one of the most important things in your life. You should sleep as much as you can at night. I usually go to bed around 10 o'clock, 1030 and wake up at six. I try to get seven hours of sleep, at least. That's what I try to do for myself. Were you always like that? Did you get more or less when you were training? Was it the same, seven, eight hours? Yes. Now, as you get older, you tend to need less sleep. So, like I said, 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock is when I go to bed, and I usually wake up at 6 o'clock, something like that, 6, 7. So did you use the sleep in a little bit later? Like if you went to bed at 10, you'd sleep till like seven? Yeah, when you're younger, because of my schedule of teaching classes, I would go to bed at 10 o'clock, 1030, 11 o'clock, and then wake up at 6 o'clock, the morning, because I had to go to work and teach again, I mean, or school, you know, that kind of thing. So, my schedule was dead. If I can't sleep seven, eight hours a day, I'm okay. But I would try to do it then, and I still do it today, is take a nap. Every single, if I have a chance, after lunch, I'll take a nap. I think it's really, it's a major recharge and thing, and I highly recommend people to do that. Have you trained your body to easily fall asleep? You know, you said 15-minute nap. If I lay in bed after a meal, I'll sleep. In five minutes, I'm sleeping. Really? Do you set a timer to wake yourself up, or you just wake up in 15 minutes or so? No, I wake up in 15 minutes or so. That's usually, it's a very quick nap. If I sleep like for an hour and a half, then I'll get lazy and sluggish after that. It wears me out too much. All I need is a 15 to 30 minutes nap. That's all I need. What about stretching? Are you big into yoga? I mean, because partly, you know, I have a program that I've launched called 150 Body, which is kind of a fitness and training and how you can, as a busy entrepreneur, stay in good shape. And I have a lesson in there called Karim Abdul-Jabbar, 150 Karim, the basketball player. He played into his 40s, which was really back in the 1970s and 80s. Pro basketball players were smoking, doing cocaine, drinking, and most of them were tired or got hurt around age 35, 10 years longer. And he said his big thing was doing yoga flexibility. So in Jiu Jitsu, you have to do, if you're not flexible, you're going to get hurt right away. Do you build in even now and back then? Do you wait? What's kind of your first 30 minutes when you wake up? What do you believe? I stretch every morning for about 30 minutes. Oh, that long? Okay. So is that the first thing? Walk me through the first 30 to 60 minutes of when you wake up because I think that's an important time. What do you think is the best daily routine you've ever done? First thing I do in the morning is drink a glass of water. You know, I bring the water to the bathroom with nicks next to the table, drink a glass of water. I will wake up in the morning and I'll stretch for about 30 minutes, 20 minutes, and then go out, make breakfast, and then feed my horse, and then go back in the house, make breakfast for the kids that are waking up and that kind of stuff, and then jump to do my phone calls, Brazil, Europe, whatever, take care of business like that, and then sometimes I don't know to roll in with my kids and I'll go for a walk or just, you know, that's why day starts with that. But that's a lot. That's 20 minutes of stretching. I feel like you're only as old as your mobility. Once mobility and balance goes, you're done. As long as you're limber, you're young. That is correct. I agree with that. Yeah. Now, for everybody watching in the show notes, if you go to tidalopas.com slash Horion, that's with a R. Actually, let me put, I'll make it easier and link tidalopas.com slash Gracie podcast. We'll have a link to the Gracie Diet book. It's a very fascinating book. I've had it for years. It's something that I remember one of the things that I liked a lot in that book was just this concept that it's not so much about people think too much like, is it vegan? Is it this? Is it that? Is it carnivore? But you see healthy people who are carnivore and other people who are vegan. So it has to be something else. It's not just exactly. And so for those of you watching, go, you can also see, we'll put a link to the last podcast episode that we did a few years ago, where we have even more on the Gracie Diet. I'll have the link to Grandmaster Horion's website, link to his Instagram, follow him there. One thing I wanted to ask you is, you know, bloodline. I think I wanted to get your opinion. I think my philosophy is, if you just think about it in a simple but smart way, the purpose of life on earth, I don't know what happens after we die, but it's your bloodline. It's your friends that are closer sometimes than a brother. That's like your family. It's the family you're born with, but it's also the family and the children you have and the grandkids and then, you know, romance. So you, am I right that you had how many, how many children and grandchildren do you have? Because it's more than one. Did you say not enough? Yeah. Yeah, I have 10 kids. I have 10 kids and 14 grandchildren. Wow. Do you have great grandchildren? Not yet. Not yet. My first granddaughter is 27 years old, so it's soon enough, I guess. And then your brother also had how many? He also has five kids. Hickson had four kids. Horion had four. Hobby has two daughters. Hoker has two kids. Each one of them and what about your dad and uncle? How many kids did they have? Uncle Collins had 21 kids. Wow. He had 21. Wow. And your father had nine. So there was 30 kids among the two. So you have a lot of uncles. I have a lot of cousins. I had five because my father's brothers are four of them. Oh, that's four, right. Yeah. But cousins, yes, a lot of cousins and big family. We had, we grew up in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and we had a summer house with the outskirts of Rio in a place called Tenozaupolish, which is basically a compound with 21 bedrooms and 18 bathrooms. 21 bedrooms and holidays and stuff like that. And the place was just absolutely incredible. My mother would run that place like a five-star hotel. We had horses and we had 18 uniformed employees that worked at the house. Wow. The gardeners, the horsekeepers, everything else. We had an in-house bakery that guy was making bread every day with a little oven, brick oven and stuff like that. Just making bread like on bakery inside the house. It's crazy. And on Christmas, my mother would decorate the house, you know, with the Christmas tree and all that kind of stuff. And the kids would be eating dinner. And then we had this big huge round that they looked out into the front of the house. And after that, they could be anxious and waiting. And then suddenly you look out into the pitch black and you see Santa Claus materializing, writing in a black stallion towards the house. That's my dad, that's the Santa Claus with a beard flying and a bag of toys in his back running towards the house. He would stop the horse at the bottom here, put a ladder, climb into the living room with the kids, hand out the presents to the only everybody else and then disappear into the night. You know, growing up with that kind of experience was just something absolutely unforgettable. I think I was about, you know, maybe 12 years old when I eventually saw his wrist, you know, under the Santa Claus outfit. I said, Hey, I know that risk. My mouth shut, didn't say anything. But it was such an amazing experience to grow up in that kind of a family, that kind of group of people. It's just unique that for 40 years, literally 40 years, all my kids saw me getting dressed at Santa Claus without knowing it was me, you know. And then as they found out, they kept quiet for the new ones not to know. And a couple of years ago, I finally retired from my youngest kid. So it's been an interesting ride for me to be able to carry on that kind of tradition for the kids, let them experience firsthand of what it was I had, you know. Yeah, I've talked to you before and sometimes I think I'm like, sounds like you almost had created your family the best life possible a family could build a human could have on earth. You guys, you know, I talk about the four pillars of the good life health, wealth, love, happiness, you know, and each of those breakdowns but health, obviously, you and your family is one of the healthiest families, athletes, wealth, you created this big brand and business. That's one of the most well known business brands. Love, you have all this family and I've been around you and it seems like people are very happy. I think Brazilians are actually saw a new study. Brazilians have the least about a mental illness in the world. They're just happy people. So I mean, I feel like you almost figured out the formula and I don't want to, you know, say it in too dramatic of a way, but I know billionaires, you know, they don't have that good. The Gracie family, I know multiple people on the Forbes list. If I had a choice, I'd rather be in your family than be in that family because it's, you got it all. And also at the end of the day, if you don't have social life, friends, family romance, you don't have anything. Our brain is hardwired to be happy in proportion to our social life and you can't compensate for that by just having money. So do you sometimes feel like you have, do you see other people and ever think, oh, they had it better? Or do you kind of sometimes go, wow, I had it about as good as anyone on earth? I definitely think I was blessed being a born in a family like this. I must tweak a little thing in there. You mentioned before, nice, beautiful things you've said. You forgot to mention chokes because in a family like mine, as people grow up, they all become more proficient fighters. And therefore, you know, being choked by someone should be part of the package too. Health, love, happiness and being choked by a family member. Being choked by a family member, this is part of the deal. But I consider myself, for I'm not sure for the timing, whatever the situation was, extremely blessed, you know, for being born in a family under the circumstances I was. Uncle Carlos, who is the shaman of the Gracie family, used to say that the Gracie family is a small sample of mankind. You're going to pay the highest compliments to an individual, he's in the Gracie family. But also the earth is on the Gracie family. If I want to talk bad stuff about some, you don't think the guys are perfect, by all means they're not. There's all kinds of crazy people in there. Like I said, it's every kind of person in here. I don't have to go talk, you know, bad stuff or find, you know, problems with people outside the family. They're all in the family too. So you have that scale of all kinds of things. And I think for me, has been a very unique opportunity to have access to all this kind of personalities and people and attitudes and ways of behaving and doing things proper and improper and all kinds of stuff. Just having that little separate world that we have in the Gracie family is, for me, an opportunity that's absolutely unique, you know. And with all that said and done, I consider myself extremely fortunate. I wouldn't want to have it any other way. Do you think that the life philosophy, you know, your bloodline is the, because when I asked you how many children to have, you specifically said not enough. Were you joking or do you really, really believe that? Do you think a large family is an amazing goal that people should have? I have, you know, three kids. I was married three times. The first one, I had two daughters. Then I had five kids with a second wife. And with my current wife, I have three children. But we lost three kids. So I wish I had those three kids more. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. God's will. Bottom line is that, you know, each kid, the way I see it, is for me, for example, sex is for procreation. Right. That's what I see. You know, not that you can't enjoy it, but I have never been, you know, promoting the idea of, well, let's have sex, but make sure that you don't get pregnant. That's it. That's never came out of my mind. In fact, I've been in situations before I was married or whatever, that if I'm, you know, about to have sex, the girl said, absolutely, I can't have kids no matter what. I'm out. Really? Huh? What would you think? I have a program called 13 Thesis. It's a program up for men and women, but entrepreneurs on how to find love, dating, build a family. So what is your advice to a man who meets a woman on the first date? She's like, I don't think I ever want to have kids. If that was you, if that was you, what would you do? If I believe she doesn't want to have, because what happens is, I understand a lot of women don't have a kid because they don't feel the confidence on the man they are with, right? And has to inspire confidence so that she feels like good. Her instinct as a female is to have a child. That's what makes her a woman. Now she might be scared. She might have been going through a bad experience and say, I don't want to have any more kids because she was traumatized. I understand and respect that, but it's up to the man to earn her respect and say, well, with this guy, I want to have a kid. See what I'm saying? So we said, guy has to change. He has to be that type of a man that she feels secure enough with him that she would want to do that. Because I don't want to get married to a woman who doesn't want to have kids. My instinct as a man is that I want to procreate. I want to get to, like I said, my genes. I want to keep that carry on. I want somebody to carry on what I have. I think there's a mutual understanding on that. And when you think about, I want to have one kid only. I want to have two kids only. For me, that thing never made sense, because when you have a child, that transforms your life. If you think that you love a kid very much, if you love that one child so much, why wouldn't you have a second one? You're not going to divide your love. You're going to multiply your love. And if you have three kids, you're not going to, oh, it's going to be just one third of love for each one of them. No, you're going to love in Manchester as much. In other words, the more kids you have, the more love you have within you to share with them. That's the way I see it. That's what I think people should see it. Now, so like I said, sometimes a woman is not trust you confident enough on the man that he can provide for her. You know what I'm saying? I understand that concern. I respect that. She makes sense with that thing. So it's up to the guy to make sure she understands that he's going to be doing everything inside and out to her. It's up to him to provide it and convince her that he can't beat the man that she's going to do it, what she hopes for, that kind of thing. So that mindset, I guess he has to be able to to compliment each other. But if she says, I don't want to get kids no matter what. So it's like, we're just going to go out, hang out and be friends and have fun and no kids. It's become a very light connection. I don't think it's going to not get as deep as you could when you have a kid. I mean, you're here. Unfortunately, a lot of people have the kids by accident. Now they're stuck together. Now they're stuck because she's not pregnant. And now they have to stay together. And that becomes a war inside. And that's not something they wanted. Like I said, all my kids were very much wanted, every single one of them, because I already go in with my fingers crossed and hope she gets pregnant. You know what I'm saying? That's the idea because once you get pregnant, it's a blessing of that connection. It's an ultimate connection if you can generate a baby with that woman that you love and you care for and she does the same for you. That's the only way to go. So what's your advice to a guy? Let's say you're given advice and he's an entrepreneur. Do you think you should have kids relatively early? Do you think you should wait? What's kind of your thought? My rule of thumb is don't get married before you're 30, number one. You shouldn't do that. And I personally think you should not have sex with a woman that you would not want her to see the mother of your children. Every time people had sex with someone else, they before that they say, what if this person gets pregnant? Would I be happy with this arrangement? Absolutely not get out. Save energy for the next one that you want to be with for the rest of your life. Because I think a lot of men need to hear that because a lot of people are kind of like, well, you know, this woman, but this happened to one of my close friends. He got a girl pregnant. I was, and he's like, I'm going to marry her because she, and I remember being like, this is not the kind of woman for you. You're not any 10 years later ended in a just nasty kind of, you know, breakup and it's hard on the kids. So how would you as a man in the mortal world? Because it's changed a lot. How would you date? Would you be super picky? Would you go out with a lot of women and then just like one date, one date, one date to see who you really liked? Or would you kind of focus down? Would you ask a lot of questions up front? Or would you let it evolve just slowly? What's what would be kind of your philosophy? People are very, you know, sex and food are the great pleasures of life. Everything we do is to ultimately have sex or eat good food. Those are the big pleasure people in my you're going to make a lot of money so that you can find a very special woman and impress her by taking to a fancy hotel so we can eat good food and ultimately end up in bed. That's basically what the whole thing comes out. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Simple pleasures. Yeah, it's, you know, you want to have some kind of fun. The problem is that people get weakened by the idea of sex and food, you know, delicious food. People eat that stuff. Sometimes feeling, I'm going to feel sick afterwards. I learned to do a lecture in Denmark a few years ago, you know, in the guy who owns a restaurant called Noma. Yeah, Noma. Noma, yes. The guy who owns the restaurant used to put together an event every year, bringing the most influential chefs in the world to put, he built a little tent in the island in Denmark, invited me to talk about the greasy diets. Oh, wow. 600 of the most influential chefs and I am talking about the greasy diet, right? Wow. So during the conversation, I told them that a friend of mine who's a very renowned chef told me that the objective of every chef is to make a food that, number one, looks good because you start eating with your eyes. Number two, smells good because the aroma is something very tempting and very, you know, anticipation of what's coming and it must look good, smell good and taste good. That's what he told. That's your objective of every chef. I asked him, what about being good for you? He said that's not a priority. Forget that. If the food looks good, smells good and tastes good, I know they come back next week. That's what I want. I never forgot that. So during this lecture with his chefs from all over the world, two-star Michelin, three-star Michelin, Michelin stars all over the place, TV shows, the guys, all kinds of chefs in there, I told them that story and I mentioned to them that I also like a food that looks good, smells good and tastes good. But for me, the most important thing is that it's good for me afterwards. And I have a challenge to every one of you, to the chefs. Go to your favorite restaurant, ask for the most expensive plate in the menu, followed by the most elaborate dessert in the menu. By the time you get home, you're not feeling good. You're going to feel like, you know what I'm saying? Then you've got to take some Alka Seltzer or some, you know, Pepto-Bismol, whatever to feel good because you're feeling bad afterwards. If I'm going to get my wife all decked up, schedule an appointment to a restaurant, spend a lot of money, eat a food, then come home feel sick. That's basic stupidity. I'm not going to do that. I'm sorry. It's not worth it for me. The way I see it is I want to have a food that I enjoy eating, but ultimately makes me feel good afterwards. And that's the concept for me of the Gracie that developing the discipline of knowing what to choose so that the result ultimate is beneficial for you and not enjoy something for a half an hour, a good meal and come home feeling sick afterwards. It's not what I'm at. Sex is the same thing. You should choose a person that you're going to have sex with, not just be weakened by the pleasures of sex, but understand that it's much more profound than that. It's through sex that people crooked that you generate a new life. It's not just something that you're going to have fun with that for a second and just throw away. This is not it. So people are paying the price for their momentary bad choices for the momentary pleasure without thinking about the consequence of that. So like you said, you get a guy who's getting married, sees a good attractive, good looking woman and has sex with her. It's a great moment with her, but she's freaking not worth it. It's not that kind of a person that you think she is. And before you know and now you're stuck, you have a child with that woman and she's stuck with, you know, the whole thing's a big mess. It's not good. So take a time to be a little more careful with your choices. What do you think is the biggest red flag for a guy looking for a woman? Like, what do you think? What would be a red flag for you of like, oh, this isn't a good match for me? You might be a better expert at that than I am, Ty. Oh, I don't know. I don't think so. I'm a very little kid, old school. I'm very picky. If the woman says, there's kids that are the question, it's like, I'm out. For me, no deal. Because she doesn't see me as a person that you would respect, admire and want to have a kid with. I'm using her, but she's using me too. And this is not the kind of relationship I want. Like I said, I'm old school. I think I want someone that I can connect with and I'm much more in a deeper level. Because when, you know, I don't want to get religious here, but nature gave us the, you know, the way to generate a child is through a pleasurable experience, right? Having sex with someone is like the ultimate pleasure, you know, that kind of thing. That's the intensity of it is so profound. It's so connecting. It's so meaningful that you actually generate a child as a result of that. You should not be wasting that vital energy all the time with everybody. That's your, you're just, you're playing God. You want to have the fun of it, but you'll not really take the consequences of that. Making sure she's like, you know, the birth control pill or, you know, you're using your contraceptive, you know, whatever that is, you're using that to make sure that, listen, let's have fun, but let's not take the consequence. And I think that's using the laws of the pleasures and the laws of nature because you want to have just a good part, but I don't want to take the consequence of that. I can't, I can't do that. It's not me, me to do that. You know, like I said, I've been in a situation before being, you know, in bed with someone and she said, I absolutely can't get pregnant. I just can't get excited. I'm just, thank you very much. We'll live next time. My head is like, I mean, you know, start to think that way. And it's, that's where I am. So the biggest red flag for me is the fact that if she is, you know, I don't know, meet someone first, get to know her, forget the sex part and just think about the, what would she be as a, as a wife or a mother or something like that? Because there's no more significant contribution that a woman can do than be raising a family. If you're looking at a woman just as a piece of meat that you're going to have fun with at that time, you're missing the boat. You should respect the woman because she's absolutely right. But she has to make herself worthy of that by having the right mindset and understanding that and just, you know, being with you for the right reasons as well. It's kind of a tricky thing. It might be along, along your conversation. So what does somebody do who's listening that's not in that kind of relationship? Do you think you just cut the cord and you have a conversation, you say, this isn't going to work out and you'd be brave and move on? Or do you just say, well, I'm already in it. So I'm going to, I got to stick with the bad situation. What's the Gracie philosophy there? I, you know, the Gracie philosophy means like, you listen, find someone that you can, that you can look at and say, I respect enough this woman and I appreciate her qualities and talents that I see that she could be a mother for one of my kids. Just sex for the fun of it. Like I said, there's not that you should enjoy sex. By all means, you should. There's not, this is why nature gave us the pleasure of sex. Because if you had to have a child, if in order to have a child, a person has to cut one finger off, right? The humans will be gone. Yeah, yeah. The civilization that ended a long time ago. But nature in its infinite wisdom made sure that procreations happen to a pleasurable experience. So people go out, have one night's tan, the woman gets pregnant, the guy goes away, she goes away before you know it, there's one more kid who's in love, you know, not guided properly, it's one more problem than the world is going what we're going through. There'll be no other populations, people look at each other and chose property before they went to bed and have, you know, have sex. Do you think that's the root of a lot of the world's problems now? Is it just kids that didn't grow up with guidance? Of course. Are you kidding? Yeah, they keep going up and no problem, no father, no mother, whatever. This is, you know, no guidance, no love. Being brought up by someone else and pushed through the system is horrible. So yeah, tricky stuff. Yeah, but important. And one more thing before we start to wrap up here, but with this philosophy, you know, nature and God, what do you think of, so porn, a lot of guys who are 25 years old online porn, what do you think that's doing to the world? Your heads are already screwed up. But it's, you know, guys are like, I'm tempted before women. Do you think it's keeping people from bonding correctly? Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't want porn. It's not my thing at all, zero. And then I don't know what to say. I mean, people are actually hooked on that because there's some kind of an imbalance. I guess one way or the other, you want to find that kind of satisfaction, but it's endless because you're never going to get there. You know, it's like, it's a situation to expressively get you hooked on that kind of mindset. I mean, it's unfortunate. Wake up, go for a run, you know, do some 50 push-ups and run for a few miles and come back and go train and, you know, change your mindset, become a better person so that you can attract a woman that's worthy of you. Look at yourself, have high expectations of yourself, make yourself a better person so that you can be in a level that you can find someone better. Because if you're down here, man, that's what you're going to find is people down there with you. You're going to find someone better. You have to raise the stakes for yourself. Be, get better, be better so that you can expect someone better. Otherwise, we're going to stay at the bottom for the rest of your life. I have very high expectations of myself. So I'm always pushing myself to the limit of the best I can be. And as a result of that, everything else around my life, I try to make it the best I can be. I focus on, I don't eat just junk food because it tastes good. I'm not let myself be dominated by that kind of temporary pleasure and then live the consequence of that. The side effects of bad eating happens. I very much with what I eat. I'm very quite careful with that. Again, I'm 71 years old right now and I have the energy and I do everything I did when I was young. And I know that a lot of people my age are not doing what I'm doing. They have a great life. They party a lot. They drank a lot. They did a lot, but they will be consequent. The bill will come for sure. And as I get older now, I see that more and more, you know, people that grew up with me or just stopped seeing because we're going to go. We're all going to go one day. We're going to move. And the trick is how long can you enjoy a good life? You know, health. I have good quality of life until the very end. That's what I'm at. Yeah. So let me ask you, I've got two little sections I do at the end of every talk. So the first question is we'll start with maybe the money slash business one. And this doesn't have to be long, but I just wanted to get, you know, your two to five minute take. If today you had to write one, two minute or five minute worth of a chapter of a book on what you've learned about making money and business, philosophy, your framework, what would you say? Looking back, it can be, you know, all the things you've learned over life. What would you say is the simple framework of creating financial success in wealth? I think you should find something that you're absolutely passionate about. You have to find something that you really, really like to do and then find ways within the stuff that you love to do, find ways to make money with it. In other words, don't get a job just to make money unless you have no choice so that one day you can do the things that you'd like to do. The sooner you can find what you want to do, the sooner you're going to be able to be a creative, use your imagination, have ideas, think about it, focus on what you want. And the reason you have to find something that you like to do is because no matter which path you choose, if you want to be successful, it's going to be hard. There will be no, you can't do it, there's going to be barriers, there's going to be, you know, buffs on the road, there's going to be all kinds of difficulties. Only when you find something that you're really passionate about, you'll let those problems and those bumps on the road and those difficulties roll over your back and just roll off your back and keep going. You have to find something that you just relentlessly just going to be chasing no matter what. You know, I came here was teaching classes at my garage and telling people that was going to change the world, 1978. What? Are you crazy? You have a tourist visa teaching out of a garage. You barely know how to speak English and you're telling you're going to change the world. Are you crazy? I know people thought that of me, but I knew for sure that was not one day, one day that I ever wondered if I was going to be successful or not. I was 100% sure I was going to change the world. And sure enough, when I created the UFC, boom, everything turned upside down. So find something that you're passionate about and create ways that you can make money with that, whatever that is. In order to do something like that, of course, you have to be good at what you want. You know what I'm saying? Find something that you're really good at, that you really know, you know, prepare yourself, work on yourself so that you can be the best you can be at that thing and then fly through with it. There's no, there's no stopping you. You know, people thought that was crazy and this and that. And I'm of course saying now, their suggestions, complaints, advice, one year, getting one year out the other, because I knew exactly what I was going. I was very focused. I knew exactly what I want to do and get. And I must tell you that I was very happy and successful with what I put myself through. And my next goal now is to change people's lives in a very positive way with the Gracie diet, for example. I first came here to teach Jujutsu. Now that I created the UFC, that gave me a platform so that I can stand on while the guy created the UFC, all big deal. For me, that was just his first step. What I really, really want to do in my life is change people's life with the Gracie diet. That's what I'm at. The Jujutsu was just a stepping stone for me to now have the, my voice has enough echo to get people's attention. You know, and I'm holding the Gracie, the UFC, all this is nice, but that's not my mission. I didn't come to America to teach people how to fight. I came to America to teach people how to live better. For example, the Gracie, there's a disease, I'll take one more minute here. There's a disease called irritable bowel syndrome, the most common in gastrointestinal disease in the world, irritable IBS. There is no cure for IBS. The doctors will give you anti-depressant because they think stress is a catalyst. They give you muscle relaxants. They give you anti-biotics, all kinds of stuff. There's different treatments and some of them include a diet, a better diet, but they don't know exactly how to do it. I'll tell you what, the Gracie diet will treat IBS, will cure IBS 100%. So now I'm on a quest doing a research, a scientific research, to prove that Gracie diet does. I already know it does, but I want the world and the medical the medical scene to know that IBS can be cured through the Gracie diet. Watch me win a Nobel Prize of Medicine on that one. I like it. That would be, I was just in Sweden and Norway, so I hope you're invited there with the Nobel Prize. That would be amazing. Ready to see. Bob Dylan got it with blowing the wind. If I can treat IBS, prove that. It's a different story. We'll see. I'm your biggest fan. I'm your biggest fan. Okay, the last question that I ask the smartest people that I meet know and meet in the world. Let's imagine you were going on a spaceship with Elon Musk. You decided you wanted to go to Mars, just hypothetically. So you have basically five minutes to turn to your family, your kids, your grandkids and say to them, here's my advice on life. Doesn't have to be just business, but you just look to them and say, here's what I've learned that I want to leave with planet earth, my kids, my family, my friends and the population before I go to Mars. What would your three, four, five minute speech say? Don't limit yourself. Fun is accomplishing the impossible. Don't set boundaries for yourself. Allow yourself to fly and think and dream as high as you possibly can. Make it happen. Go chase it, because there's no stopping you. If you really want something you can accomplish, whatever you want. I am a living example of that. I first came to this country. I was literally panhandling, had no money, slept on a newspaper on a sidewalk, and I got to a point that I'm extremely happy and content with what I have accomplished. And if I can do that, anybody can do that. But you have to really be passionate and dedicated to that. So fun is to accomplish the impossible. That's my motive. And that's what I would tell everyone. So for, I understand that when you say fun, you're saying reprogram your mind to be disciplined when it's hard. You go, no, this is fun because the result is going to be amazing. Cause most people, I read a scientific study that said like 70% of people give up after one time it not working out like 80% after two and almost 90% of the world gives up after three failures because they don't have the discipline maybe that's what, is that what you're saying? It's like, no, this is fun. Even though it's failing, we see it as fun because then we'll eventually get it. Edison tried the electric light, right? Electric lamp. A thousand different ways. You can see that it's a thousand different things, but it's not. He did every possible way. And eventually he got the light going because he just believed that he was going to find a way to do it. And then, you know, for me, this is the same thing. I mean, fun is to accomplish the impossible. When people say hard, but that can't be done. I got to do it. That's what I meant. That's what tickles me to say, you know, wait a minute, it can't be done. You haven't found a way to do it yet, but let's make it happen. So for me, the challenge of going against the grain is what gets me excited. You know, I heard someone say one time that the quality of your life is directly related to the level of uncertainty you can comfortably live with. I've learned to live on the edge. I learned to kind of push myself. It's not quite sure. But let's make it happen. One of my kids, when he was very young, told me one time, the dad, when God pushes you off the cliff, he's either going to catch you on the way down or give you wings and teach you how to fly. So at this stage of my life right now, I see a cliff. I run and jump. Because I can't wait to take a chance for the next big project. I want to do it. I want to make it happen. I want to accomplish the impossible. You know, this whole idea, ridiculous idea, of winning the Nobel Prize. It's not my ego that wants to win the Nobel Prize. It's because if I can't get to a point like this, it means that the whole medical community and the people in general have understood that through a proper eating habit, through a healthy way of eating, you can improve your health. And that, you know, it will be a great recognition and reward to kind of recognize Uncle Carlos' work. That's what I'm doing. That is all through him. Because he's the one that talks to what I know. And I think this message on healthy eating is so valuable. It's indeed the most valuable thing you have. You know, if you don't have health, what the heck? You know, you got nothing. Health is the first one. If you can have all the money in the world, you know, that, you know, a lot of people that are very wealthy, they spend their whole life making a lot of money. And on the end, they spend all their money trying to recoup their health, their health, recoup their health. It doesn't work. You have to think about health first. Do whatever you have to do, but overlook your health. I saw, I saw a video the other day, the beginning of it, Bill Gates, you know, the mind of Bill Gates or something like that. And I said, well, of course, the guy is a genius, a very smart guy, does everything he did, not that I approve everything, but there's a whole bunch of stuff that he does. He's great. And then he goes, he takes his own little moments away to do some focusing on thinking. And he opens the fridge and there's nothing but soft drink in there. Coca-Cola. He said, what? What kind of genius is that? You know what I'm saying? Killing himself with that kind of stuff. I mean, what is it? What's going on? You know? So, you know, I said, I don't thank you very much. I've seen enough. So it's, of course, it's got amazing brain, but to have that kind of capability and be drinking that kind of stuff is like, please give me a break. You know what I'm saying? So I got to stay here for a drink of coconut in a minute. Fresh coconut. I go to the produce market once a week. Here in downtown LA, I stack my house with fruits and I have three refrigerators in my house because my health is the most important thing. Period. Hands down. There's nothing like it. I don't mind not having the millions and the billions, but I enjoy every single minute of my life. No doubt. I mean, just for me, it's priceless. That's what I meant. That was amazing. Invite me. I'd like to come to the Nobel Prize. I've never been to the ceremony. All right. Well, thank you so much for being here. This was amazing. I want to have you on again for everybody listening. Make sure you go. I, you can get the, I also have the Gracie diet. I think I have it all on. Well, I have the book, but I also have it because I like to do this for notes. I'm going to see if it's on this phone, but you can get it in iBooks too, which is really good because I like to keep, yeah, right here. I have it on my phone, Gracie diet. So the reason I like and I recommend those of you listening to get on iPhone is when you see a good point in the book. Sometimes when I have physical books, I lose the book or you move or something. But what I like about iBooks here, you can see I have highlights. So I have my notes there. I don't know if you can see. So I'll have a note. I have a note. Here's a great note on page 43. Weight control is a matter of defending yourself in a fight against a ruthless opponent who will use every trick in the book to harm you, process food. So that's just a great point from the book. Another good quote that I have here. I love this one. A good rule of thumb is to adhere to is to stop eating when you're 80% full. And then just remember you'll be eating and getting about four and a half hours because part of your diet is like resting, letting your intestines and your digestive system rest for about, is it about four and a half hours? Correct. Four and a half to five hours, yes. No snacking in between meals. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Three meals a day. Do not mix starches. When you eat bread, you should not eat potato. Ham and French fries is not a good combination. You either bread or potato or rice or quinoa or beans. Once starch per meal, all the vegetables you want. Do not eat cooked food. It is prepared with oil or fat and butter. And then follow with sweets with a dessert. So and then space your meals for an hour and a half. Piece of cake. The book will tell you everything is on Amazon. So thank you. Amazon, iBooks, tidelopens.com, slash Gracie podcast. I'll have the show notes. We'll have the video, the audio. You can forward it to your friends. You can get the links. You'll have the link to Grandmaster Horian's website. So thank you so much for coming. And we'll talk again soon. Thank you very much for having me. It's a great pleasure talking to you again and then all the best. Okay. Take care. Yeah.