 We work very closely with the youth service in town in Sambalyn. We have regular meetings, either formal or informal, where individuals are brought up in those meetings. We find out how things are going on outside of school and we get told then whether we need to try to support somehow the individuals in school. That's one of the main ways we get to find out what's going on really. We work closely with external agencies as well and if there are things going on, possibly that we haven't been told about through the youth service, those that get raised either by social services or possibly in local resource solution panel meetings and possibly teaming on the family or on the child meetings and called as well. So the most information we get externally, it's very rare I think that we get pupils who are coming along to say that things aren't great at home, but again that does happen sometimes. It could be a member of staff bringing up I know so-and-so looks a bit disorganised or looks very tired, doesn't look himself, something's not quite right and then it might be ahead of you speaking to the individual asking what's going on and then information might come out that we previously didn't know about. So on that we could see a number of staff that come to us with different concerns and from that then yeah we've worked out there's things happening at home that they do need support with and they're going back into the youth service or external agencies or we do need to do so there. There are some that are known to the young carers who don't formally seek support through young carers and also don't want any input via school. There are some that we are aware of that access young carers and Sally Works towards our youth work has worked towards being able to have that relationship brought into school and that's how ideal that we are aware and they are aware that we're aware but sometimes we have to work from afar so we've just got that information should anything arise where we know then that we would go means about trying to get that information freely from the children so that we could support really. So sometimes it's just a case of just monitoring isn't it like you said. Without the child knowing sometimes or you know it might be going the extra mile by giving them extra praise knowing that things aren't quite right at home they might just accept that and go you know that's great and maybe that's what they expect everybody else to be happening as well. Monitoring it just likely closer than possibly than you would with somebody who's not in that situation. We do have examples of where we have meetings within the school and it might be health driven or care driven for the parents and things like that so yeah we incorporate health and education we often have meetings held here in school around the child that's got full range of external support services. What we've also got is a school councillor so we're very fortunate that a lot of information is confidential meetings go on there but if it's deemed you know a child protection issue that information might come out from the school councillor saying that there needs to be support put in place for this individual you know can you get some agencies support there so you know we are fortunate that if the information doesn't come from staff doesn't come from the youth service all these external agencies we have got a school councillor with us as well to support.