 So we'll be moving to Q&A now, I guess. Now it is totally open for questions. I'm going to do the logistics, because that is obviously my job. So if you would like to ask questions, we have a stand mic there, a stand mic there, like in the middle of the aisles. We also have one floating mic, in case folks cannot get down here to these. If you are the mic holder, shout. There, Moets is our mic holder, in case. You'll probably need to go up to the higher things, in case anyone there wants to go. And it looks like we already have some people lining up, but I actually have some prizes for the first three question askers. These are custom, an amazing designer friend of mine designed these little magnetic pop sockets that have the WordPress logo. So if you have an iPhone, it goes right on the back and then allows you to... Without all the sticky stuff on your phone. There's only a few of these in the world right now, and I have three of them right here. So do you have an iPhone for a question? No. Oh. OK, I'm going to give it to you anyway, and then you get to re-gift it to someone who does. It'll be like your magic token. So should I ask my question? Yeah, please introduce yourself. Let's see how you are. Hello. Thank you, thank you. My name is Milana Tup, again from Syria. And I have a question about sponsoring contributors. There is a platform, Open Collective, and they do all the logistics. And WordPress community has their own project there. So there are two important things for this platform. First, it has done all the logistics to support anyone anywhere in the world. So that is not a problem anymore. The other very important thing here is that anyone, individuals, and organizations can support, can give their finance there. So right now, we have a few individuals who are doing that. Thank you so much. And we have Automatic actually gave $2,000. Thank you so much for that. So my question is, this is all beautiful individuals who are more fortunate supporting others. But when you really think of it, it's us paying ourselves. So my question is, can you, as Matt Giuseppa, Mattias, or you as Automatic, encourage other companies to do the same as Automatic did and make this more sustainable? And what can we as a community do to make these donations from other organizations consistent so we can continue doing this? Thank you. Thank you for your question. I feel like I've looked at the Open Collective thing, but I'm not current on it, so I'll definitely check it out after this. Thank you for letting everyone know about it. I'm glad that we're already supporting it, though. I will say that I just want to add on, because there was more of an introduction than a question. Yes, as we talk about Fire for the Future, which for those who aren't familiar, it's this concept that for companies to maintain the commons of WordPress, we have this kind of social norm, social moray, that companies, if you're getting something from WordPress, try to take 5% of that and put it back into the core or the community or the .org or the WordCamp or the whatever it is. And it's deliberately a little amorphous, because how people might define it could be different. And definitely taking currency, hard dollars, and putting it back into a system like Open Collective is an amazing way for anyone to get back. But I also want to recognize, if people are taking out of 40-hour a week, two hours a week to volunteer or companies that have 100 people and have five of them working full-time on core, all of these different methods of contributing, it's really the flywheel that makes WordPress work. And I think the reason that we've been able to say, because so many open source projects, including many who started around the same time of us, had a trajectory of some growth and then they kind of whithered on the bind. I think what happened was there was too many people taking from the commons and putting back in. And so the community spirit of WordPress is I think one of the reasons has been able to not just be successful, but actually accelerate over the years. So yeah, thank you for telling us about this. And come on down, I'll give you this little popsocket thing. Well, that's happening, I'm gonna add to the answer. Also, some of you who were here last year or watched the presentation last year also know that we created the Sustainability Channel right in the middle of the presentation. And that particular group has become a team and one of the things that I asked them to do at Contributor Day this year was to help us figure out how to do that part of the question, how to answer that part of the question, help companies know how to find people who need to be sponsored, help people who want to be sponsored get paired with companies, because right now, basically, you go to me or Matt and we help you find the other side of it and that is not sustainable either. And so that in case you didn't hear the wrap up for that, the Sustainability Team is working on sustainability as far as like the software goes from an electricity standpoint, sustainability for our gatherings, making sure that we're using our materials to the best of our ability. And then I asked them to add in that part also to make sure that we as a community remain sustainable for as long as we possibly can. Yeah. Here we go over here. Hello. My name is Birgit Alson from Germany and I have a question to our WordPress community leadership, you. How do you think we can evolve as a community in creating more diversity, equality and inclusivity in our environment in the whole WordPress community? We have the WP Diversity Working Group to encourage people to speak and make more. But I think more broader and to also make kind of a deputy program to ensure that diversity and equality and inclusivity is met not only on word camps, but also meet up groups, but also in the contributing groups. So how do you think can we do better in a community and what do you think is a leadership is possible to create some kind of committee or deputy program to ensure DEI initiatives within the WordPress community? Me? Excellent. Firstly, thank you so much for your question and also hello. So yes, so for folks who have been kind of listening to what we're doing in the WordPress project this year and certainly who've been watching what Matt or I have been saying in events that we go to, we have been asking not only WordPress in our places, but also other projects and other events where we are part of it to help us make sure that like where WordPress is putting its time and attention, it also has good representation. There were a couple of different events that I went to earlier this year where I asked them to please join us in that, but I do also understand that WordPress too, as good as we have become at this has plenty of distance to go, because when you have things that are imbalanced, you always have to work to maintain the balance even once you've gotten to it, like the work is ongoing. And so there are many initiatives. I personally don't know the names of all them, but I know that I have currently a proposal on my desk for exactly this type of team. And I've been working with them kind of to review what they're proposing, review what would make that sustainable as far as a team goes, but also we have a couple of other initiatives based on the feedback that you all gave us about representation on the stage, representation in our contributor spaces, and also just generally making sure that we have some connection to the groups that we know that we're missing and the groups that we need to hear from that we don't know are missing yet. And so I appreciate this question and the fact that you all always work to help keep us accountable to that. And like you said, just because we have this answer, this thing, that project, doesn't mean that we think we're done with it. So I hope that is an answer. I'll also add that this is something, it's kind of an exciting question because it's not just even if we create this committee or something, this is actually something that every single person here in this room can contribute to. And one of the things that makes me most proud is when I hear folks come up to me and say, I came to a work camp and I felt so welcome. You know, and there's so many, especially in these modern times when there's so much division, so much acrimony to have a community of people around a shared idea, ideal of democratizing, publishing, and open source come together and be welcoming. And so something every single person here can do is, you know, whenever you see someone who might seem like they're on the edges or might need some help or something like that, like how can I make this person feel welcome? And just if you're always, if every one of us is always asking ourselves that, we will continue to be the type of community that has all types of people. And if I can give a fast example that I saw specifically for this event, there were people who are coming here or who are not here at all and watching via live stream, who shared suggestions about how to do that while you are an attendee. So I think Matt Cromwell maybe was like, if you see somebody and you don't know that you know their name or they know your name, like just go ahead and proactively tell them who you are, introduce yourself, especially if you're in the introvert group, we have to look after our extroverts. We have to look after our introverts. But then also we have people who tweet, like don't forget the Pac-Man rule when you go to word camps, like leave a space for someone to join. Like people, even when they're not here, are looking out for the ways that we can make those small impacts. So absolutely, I agree. And you want to come down and get a little pop socket? Or can someone take it to her? Sure, nice. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, people, my name is Matteo, M-A-T-T-E-O for the subscribers. Hi, subscriber, I'm Matt, nice to meet you. Hope you're doing well. Hi, Giuseppe, I'm Mattia. So be, no, no, no, E, it's M-A-T-T-E-O, please. No, we're good. Sorry. Okay, so I wanted to ask two questions so much fast. I hope to be as speedy as I can. First, Matt, are you Matt, Giuseppe and Matteo? Are you going into the other party today? Second question is... Definitely, I'll see you all there. Second question is... I actually love all the updates that Gutenberg is doing. A real problem to me now is that... I actually have all the tools to create a great design, but since I'm not a designer, I really don't know what to build. So are you preparing something, like AI or something like that? Or also suggestion, also approaches, because that's a pattern, a good start, but I hope that we as a community create something more for this approach. For instance, congratulations for the videos. It was like an Apple event or something like that. They're down here, the people who did that. It was beautiful. Thank you for the question. I think it's a really great... You mentioned patterns are in that area, but I think there's so much that we can do to... Right now, the pattern gallery is really growing in size, but really to use patterns as a way to teach the sign and to make sure that if you're composing something and you write a few blogs that we can suggest you, like, oh, there's a pattern that is presenting these blogs in a certain way that combines this in a good way. I think there's a lot that we can do there. We haven't really... We started exploring transformations you can do when you select multiple blogs. I think AI has really... There's a good place there to experiment with because you can imagine from what you're writing we can connect to this relatively large library of designs and sort of combine them in an interesting way. Also transformations of them, like if you want to cycle between different patterns. I think that's, to me, one of the ultimate goals of patterns is to bring these tools to people. You say maybe you don't have a design background, but if WordPress can offer you the best design from the community, from all the designers all over the world. I think that's the other part. It's also not one specific design, but a really diverse set of design perspectives across the world. I think patterns are really the communication layer there, but I think we need to do more to combine them in interesting ways, surface them at the right time, guide you when you're creating a page. These are the sections, these are the elements that you put in this way or that way. Do you know how many block themes we have so far? How many block buttons? Block themes. Anyone down there? Over 300? What do you think the future of themes is going to be? Easy question. I think part of what the video captures or tries to capture is that there's a shape-shifting between each theme into the next, and the idea there is to communicate that it's all part of the same experience and UI. The whole point was to get people to not have to learn how to do things in so many different ways. It's not so much like having one theme, it's just like you can combine them with whether the patterns, the style variations, and it's all compatible with each other. You can replace the header of your theme with a header that you like from another theme. I used to hear from users that they would like the typography of one theme, but then the colors of another theme, and they were having to choose between them. Like your sheep photo. The sheep photo that people loved in 2010 or something, one of those with Donica in Ireland. But it was... Yeah, I think it's actually going to be a real challenge for us that we need to figure out, because now that themes allow so much customization is how to show that when you're choosing a theme, you can actually have almost infinite variations of typography, color, and sometimes even layouts from them. And maybe what we call a theme needs to sort of have like a baseline. Maybe it's sort of more about the layouts and then the colors into typography is always interchangeable. Yeah, and with tools like this style, you should be able to see like, oh, I really like the style that this theme has for the quotes, and I want to use that. And what I want to grab like different, combine them in different ways. I think all of that is started to open up. We didn't show it there, but we have like some really cool flows for previewing themes and previewing styles. And the patterns that themes packages, I think it's getting really interesting. Now we don't need just to have some static screenshots in the theme folder like we originally had. It can really be fully interactive previews, which has always been one of the coolest things that you can, for any WordPress theme, you can click preview and see your whole sites. Totally reimagined. Thank you so much for that question. And I've got your... And again, if you don't have an iPhone, you now have like a magic token, you can give this to someone who you appreciate or has done something for WordPress or whatever. Hello. First of all, I would like to say a massive thank you for each and every one of you who participated in this conference and who organized it and who made it so amazing. That's such an honor for us to be a part of it again. I'm a member of a web design studio from Ukraine, and you can only imagine how important it is to us to feel welcomed and supported on each and every step of the way. So thank you. Thank you so much. I'm curious, who is here... You're here from Ukraine? Yes. Who else is here from Ukraine? So, guys! Wow, wow! That's incredible. Thank you so much. So my question is, like the Gutenberg has been a hot topic for such a long time, and we've seen, like, a massive change that it created, and now every bit of information is about AI. So our company has been developing an AI software that will help, basically, and affirm a company who deals with customer support and make it automatic. So it's called Sappilot for everyone. And my question is, how soon do you see this Gutenberg and AI integration, and what should we expect in this term? Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. In my entire career in technology, which is about 20 years now, I've never seen things moving as quickly as they are right now. It's really incredible, and it feels like entire years of progress are happening in weeks or months in the AI field. And so I think that some really cool stuff is shipping. Actually, just a few days ago, Jetpack AI launched with a number of blocks and everything. We're still figuring out pricing models and usage models and everything for this new technology. But the other exciting thing is that, like, the demos are amazing. Like, check out the Jetpack AI stuff. And it's not just the demo. You can actually run it today and create content and very soon it'll be able to create blocks or maybe entire themes. You can already ask ChatGBT to write WordPress plugins and they execute it. It's weird. It's read all of WordPress's code. It's read all the 55,000 plugins and themes. So it already knows us, you know? And that's why I think, I've said it many, many times, but I believe that the two mega trends of the next 20 years are going to be open source and AI. They're highly complementary. When you think about it, AI is going to want to, as AI is building things, it's going to do it on open source frameworks and technologies for obvious reasons, the same reason we all build open source. I guess the final thing I'll say is what's exciting is, like, the really cool stuff we're seeing is the worst stuff we're going to see. It's going to get so good, so fast. So I think we're still on, like, the MS-DOS command line versions of this. But, like, literally later this year, I think it's going to get much better. And I think, you know, as we start to look to, like, this time next year when we're back, have we announced where work camp is going to be next year? Nope, nope. I won't spill it then. What did they say? No, WordPress is automatic. It's a ship that leaks from the top. I can't wait to see what's going to be around. And it's going to put so much power that it's a very democratizing technology. It's just like one of the most beautiful things about technology is, like, you know, Tim Cook's iPhone is not better than the iPhone that you or I have. And how amazing is that? So, like, we all have access, at some level, to these technologies. And, you know, for free now, on barge, chat, GBT, other things, we can all get access to essentially the most advanced new intelligences in the world. And it does almost feel like we're creating a new intelligence or I won't call it a form of life, but definitely a form of new intelligence. So if, you know, I think I said this, but, you know, in 2016, I came on stage, I was, like, learned JavaScript deeply. That's right. And that's actually gone pretty well. So thank you. Good job. Basically, most new code in WordPress now is JavaScript. And what we've done with Gutenberg and everything has been pretty incredible. And obviously JavaScript has become kind of the standard of most modern development. I would encourage everyone here in this room to be playing with these tools. Play with chat, GBT. Other AI tools. The open source stuff is catching up really quickly. And I would encourage you all to be spending at least a few hours a week following up. And honestly, just playing with it. It's an amazing personalized tutor. You can use it to ask questions. You can use it for rewriting your posts. The possibilities are endless. And as you get better and better, just like in the early days, some people were better at Googling than others. And I would encourage what they call prompt engineering or talking to the AI and asking it what to do in an intelligent way. You can get amazing results. So if you try it out and it doesn't do what you want, keep trying. Keep playing with it. And look up some of these things. I feel like this capability is going to be as important as literacy or typing or something like that. The ability to leverage these AIs. You can learn AI tools deeply. We also... Yeah. There is also a current, and I think currently active discussion happening about AI in WordPress, particularly someone on our social and or things team will share that link. But there's an active discussion at the moment. So you can join that as well. Thank you. Hi, I'm Adam. I've been doing some work on WordPress Playground. I just wanted to share something I'm excited about that I'm just starting to realize during this conference. Because WordPress Playground is WordPress running in JavaScript, it brings WordPress to all the devices where we could run JavaScript apps, which means you can build a native mobile application using WordPress Playground, ship it in App Store, a tablet app, a desktop app. My colleague Ella sitting over there, she's working on a notes application that allows you to write notes in Gutenberg and then synchronize them over all your devices. So we may see the entire WordPress ecosystem storming over all the devices that we're using every day. Storming? WordPress will be everywhere. Yay! So imagine building a mobile app that's just a WordPress plugin, and then you just ship it on all the devices. And maybe even creating it in Gutenberg by clicking things, and if you want to change how it looks, it's a different theme. So just something I wanted to share. Thank you. Hello, my name is Patricia. I'm from Geneva in Switzerland. I'm a community contributor by organizing local meetups in WordCams. My question is the usual suspect in Europe, at WordCams Europe. Is it GDPR or multilingual? Yeah. The second one. Well, basically, a lot of people are eager to know an approximate ETA for the end of phase four or when we will be able to use multilingual in the Gutenberg editor or the Gutenberg project. Wow. Protect the future. I think we said something on stage before. Do you recall? We said phase three was starting next year. Phase three was starting now. Yeah. After 6.3, we'll start with phase three properly. I think there's enough overlap there that we can start getting a clearer sense of when phase four can happen. I think it's also good. For example, we're thinking about, I don't know, in five years, we're like AI for translation, where it's going to be, and how can we make sure that we're building towards... For that leapfrog. Yeah, we're not getting ahead of ourselves in there. But it's like, I think maybe next year we can start with some... And I think you have a community exploration plugin that's kind of taking a look at that. Not you, Patricia, you told me next to you. I think that's right. That's great. Sorry everyone who's watching this. You brought up my question from last year. I was planning to say I can talk more about that thing with you after consuming at least one ticket tonight. I hope it will digest well that ticket of it. But yes, I get the feeling now that when you're talking about maltylingual, you're talking about some machine translation and you want it to be good. But when I hear that, I tremble with it because to me, machine translation, yes, it is getting better by the week. But my view is and a lot of people are with me on this that it always needs to be checked by a human before you publish it. And therefore I don't see a reason to delay the maltylingual part of WordPress core too much because it's more about making a decision and then just to clarify where it's not delaying. So WordPress is fundamentally trying to be a content management system for everything. And so the complexity of maltylingual becomes that now every single object in WordPress categories, tags, blocks, everything which right now is kind of like a one to one relationship or the data types has to become a mini to mini relationship. And that's part of why we have to do collaboration and workflow before we get to maltylingual because we need to have workflows for how when something has changed in one language it flows to another language. So we're very much now whether you're choosing machines or humans to do the translation that's up to the site owner I 100% agree with you that I think that for many, many, many publishers across Europe for many, many reasons it will be human driven. Maybe they'll use a machine to accelerate the human, but like you still want a person kind of saying like this is the content that we're publishing on the website, you're not just going to take what's automatically generated. So it's but it adds a multifactorial level of complexity to all of our data models and doing that right is part of, it's going to be the most complex thing we've ever done in the past. And so that's why we're really I would actually extend Matias' timeline before we move on. I think we need like 18 to 24 months of phase 3 before we can really start breaking apart the data models and WordPress and we need to figure out how to do so in a backwards compatible way which is going to be because we we go backwards compatible basically to like WordPress 0.72 so it's like 2003 so we need to figure that out. Before we move on to your answer of that, Patricia, I want to help you reclaim your time and make sure your question got answered. I messed that up, I'm sorry. Did your question get answered with that? Yes, thank you very much. Oh cool, thank you. Yeah, I just want to say also that's why like it was important to like conclude phase 2 where we're like essentially making all the aspects of your website accessible to people so they can edit it. Once we model all of that then we'll have a better idea of like how can we make all these objects also like translatable in multilingual ways and we're still like at Contributor Day we were like sort of tossing some ideas on how to connect custom fields with blogs and so then like once we add that dimension we also need to think about okay what's going to be the multilingual story of custom fields when they are connected with blogs so it's important to get like the base layer in a good place start developing some of these collaborative editing ideas because I think many things will start falling into place much better and also I think we really rely on all the community explorations that are already going around like how to approach how to do multilingual I think that really gives us a sense of like which paths are working best what things are resonating with people and so on that's important to see. And the architecture is going to be so tricky like I literally stay up at night thinking about this sometimes because like do we do it in a single site model and then make the data structures much more complex or do we basically do a multi-site model where each language is like a separate wordpress in the multi-site and then have some way to synchronize them and have workflow between them and permission between them so that they sort of appear as one site to the user or as a multilingual site but in the back end where we're doing essentially a multi-site which I think might be a good approach but I don't want to say that is the right approach but I think we really need to spend many many hours actually kind of building some of these different approaches and just trying them out looking at all the plugins out there because performance is going to be so important and so wordpress is getting faster and faster with every release we want to make sure as we add this complexity that we don't slow it down Also like the translation UI there's really cool explorations happening on the Glotpress side on how to translate the software itself like more the interface not the content but there's a lot that we don't have that experience that that's something I think we can get going much earlier to get like information on what works for translators what's the best user experience and so on if someone can share that live translation link I don't know it off the top of my head or I would say that would be excellent I don't know why I'm looking up there there's someone down here folks I keep gesturing to our committers and team reps that are down here to help me question over there we're going to go upstairs hi I'm up here Michelle for chat New York and the question has to do with mentorship no panacea for inclusion uh oh it's cutting out I heard you say there's no panacea for mentorship and inclusion sorry there's no panacea for mentorship inclusion and getting the next generation of people into wordpress but mentorship can be one way to help people into the community I think we do a really good job of our release squats with shadowing and mentorship there with my side projects that I have I'm always being asked to add mentorship to those things but my projects are small by comparison to all of wordpress so do we have any ideas or plans for official mentorship programs in the wordpress community I do I'm Diane the hero thank you anyone want to take this before I take it just in case go for it so yes I'm so excited so for the most part when I talk to people who are currently contributing to wordpress or tried to contribute to wordpress and kind of took a break one of the things that makes the biggest difference is whether or not they found someone to mentor them they don't always call it a mentor they sometimes call it a buddy or they're like oh so and so it's just like hey that looks like you are worried about asking dumb questions ask them to me I'm happy to help like those are always every time I talk to contributors the thing that makes the biggest difference for people who want to stay for a long time and so we do we have a trial program right now happening so in our five for the future program we have a trial a pilot program I think that's launching today did launch yesterday July 12th where we have asked those companies that are part of the five for the future program as part of what they're giving back be mentorship of especially underrepresented voices but anybody who's trying to get started as an individual contributor in the wordpress project I think it's very exciting but I also think it's going to take a lot of time and attention and resources to get it right and so for anyone who also feels like gosh I really succeeded because of this one person or these three people that really helped me to figure out where I was going versus where I wanted to go go check it out someone's going to share it also on social media so that we can see the pilot and keep an eye on how we can help get that done but absolutely 100% I will do that until we can't figure out how to do anything better about it I agree Hi my name is Jonathan I'm a member of the training team and I work with a few other contributors in the training team creating content specifically for our extended community so plugin developers, theme developers anybody writes in code and one of the questions I get a lot from folks is does wordpress have an engineering best practices document handbook whatever the case may be and I know that we don't so I will look at some of the things human made turn up all those enterprise level sort of agencies that have those best practices my question is do you think as an open source project we should have a best practices document if you don't why and if you do what should we start doing to make it happen thank you my impressions that I think that it's it's very important to have like these the ones you mentioned around like the ecosystem having like a bit more opinionated things and see like more than the core project having like two strong opinions on some things but it's a balance I think like well we don't have like a super formalized things I think it's important to have like I don't know similar to like Apple's human interface guidelines things that we can do for well these are the things that we have learned and we want to encourage other to do like when you're developing a blog when you're developing a plugin or a theme we do some of those things through but I think there's always a risk to become like too prescriptive and stifling some of the innovation and exploration and diversity that can happen in the ecosystem so I think that's the balance that we need to achieve I wouldn't be like super categorical in one way or the other I think it's good to be thinking about it and bringing it up and also learning from like if there's something that again human made or other agencies are coming up that really works and it's really like we can bring it back in but I think it's important to not be too to stifle with I know we're running out of time but we have a lot more questions should we try to go through them quickly or how are we doing do we need to end right up 5 or I saw a shaking head and a nodding head okay we go a few extra minutes so let's try to go through the the remaining ones quickly so we'll do the people who are still at the mic and then those will be the last questions okay so okay hello I'm Toby a global mentor for the polyglots first I have a quick question to the room who here does not have English as their native language wow wow so the point I want to make with this is that for WordPress mission to stay true about democratize publishing we really need to make sure that WordPress becomes available in a lot of different languages and we are doing that already and we are trying step by step but it's hard to add more languages but what I see now is that there are so many different teams struggling with how to get their content translated and these translations maintained I'm talking about training I'm talking about documentation subtitling developer so many different things and we need to create some new or additional way of handling these translations in an efficient and smart way and my quick question probably to Giuseppe is do we have the full support from the project we may need financial support we may need some organizational support in actually making this happen I mean I always hesitate to say that you have my full financial support which is what you asked but in general you always have our polyglots always have my full support to make sure that what you need that I can provide that the press can provide that the community can provide that you should have it I know that sometimes it feels like you all come to me with questions and I'm like I'll come back to you and then a week later I'm like hey you might have forgotten but I said I'd come back and here I am there's just a lot of things that are part of it so I will not pledge anything that I will not be able to actually get my hands on but obviously you all have my full support so we're going to jump to another question though I'm just saying we are going to need other people's support as well because with only one person's support it won't work thank you it's really great being here and asking questions again I'm Courtney Robertson I'm at GoDaddy I am also a part of the training team and last year at the same conference I asked about getting multilingual working inside of Learn WordPress happy to report a year later we've got many languages it's not elegant it's all in the same site and it's not ideal but there was a great meeting during contributor day work with Toby and a few others for improving that so ask your questions because you will see progress my question today revolves around I was part of a talk in the WP Connect session on funding open source M5 for the future and it's very very deeply personal to me in my journey through WordPress I am now and I am one of the founding members of the WPCC and I'm happy to have those conversations to explain further what's going on with that I've had people ask even last year Europe was my first time to take a last year's Europe was my first time to take a plane to get to a work camp and there I met Sean from American Eagle and he was sharing with me that it's hard to bring from their organization it's hard to bring contributors in to do something for particular length of time because without it being organized like they're used to internally working as a team in sprints that gets a little bit lost and this idea came up again yesterday and could we do it in a way that is open and inclusive that maybe organizations could be a little more they would have more transparency of exactly where across are now 22 teams we have 22 of them now so across the 22 teams could we see that plug and review is needing some more staff could we have a public way of seeing where the needs are across the teams and maybe some initiatives that we certainly wouldn't want to be exclusive but could bring some clarity organization that for this period of time maybe between the holidays some companies have slumps at that time maybe between their holidays they could dive in and do a thing during that time and then move on for a little bit and then come back again so ways of creating opportunities in unique ways of contributing that would not be exclusive by any means and again I think elevating that transparency of what the teams need would perhaps open up more of that staff labor and funding directly to help contributors I have a quick answer here which is an idea I've been thinking about and we'll try to keep this short so I think in organizations when I say this work well is you change what you measure and one thing I'd love to get more on WordPress.org is some sort of like dashboards essentially like we have the download counter we have some stats or plugins and other things but like what if you could kind of look across the 22 teams and each of those 22 teams hatch a metrics attached and like a health metric and you know this was how many work camps last year this year whatever each team can define its own metrics but then there was kind of like a red yellow green for how things were going. I think that would be really powerful and then you know that'd be fun for motivating I think for everyone working on it and also if you're coming in and you're like okay what needs help look at the red stuff so just want to plant that seed of an idea in everyone's mind thank you hello I'm Kamrul Islam I came from Bangladesh and I have I have two questions first one is will you add volunteer badges on WordPress or profile and my second question is can I take a selfie with you guys right now go ahead and take the selfie why answer your first question oh you're going to come up oh maybe don't come up on stage you can do it from here and I will definitely be at the party and by the way I love meeting people in pictures so alright so while you're doing that it's a quick one yes we could definitely add volunteer badges to the profile pages and I think actually WordPress profiles are going to get way cooler over the next year I was just actually talking to Yoast about some ideas around that earlier so definitely something I want to work on thank you hi everyone I'm from Libya and I have a couple really quick questions first one is recently I started with three of my friends we started web designing startup and now that we're here in World Camp Europe I couldn't pass on the opportunity to ask the great Matt for his advice for us second question is now with the release of Gutenberg and now without bearing into mind that WordPress is a privately traded company do you have any plans to take the company public yeah that's it so to clarify WordPress is an open source thing automatic is probably what you might have been referring to is a privately traded company and advice for web design startup sure so for automatic I'll just say that it's great having flexibility so we're lucky to have great long term investors I do wish that more of the WordPress community could own a chunk of automatic and just like you can own many other companies in the WordPress space there's something nice about that so that's the one thing that would make me want to be more public but other than that I would say that the flexibility that's allowed for us to make very very long term bets if the private company is really nice thank you so much I would say I would repeat what I said earlier to leverage AI tools and also remember that what you're charging for is not how long it takes it to do it or what it costs the value you're generating for your clients so charge based on that value thank you so much Matt I appreciate the opportunity and finally raise your prices I think we have one last question one last question bring it home my name is Piotrek and I just came from the sustainability workshop and there is a very specific question that we came up with is it possible to make one simple change in terms of where all the files for the WordPress repository are stored so that would definitely be one step further to make it more sustainable to choose the proper storage that would generate less CO2 so if that's think it's possible to change where the WordPress is file so like I'm not sure if I understand we were thinking about many ways of how we can decrease the CO2 so this is like minimizing the file size of the WordPress itself as a file and then all of the plugins all of the other files everything that is running our ecosystem the good news is that Moore's law and other things is on our side WordPress is getting faster, more efficient if you added up all the WordPress in the world it's probably less than one container boat or something of CO2 emissions so I would say I'm a technological optimist in this regard there's obviously so much work we need to do around carbon capture and other things but I think we are on the cusp of abundant clean energy and that many of these issues we've been dealing with over the past 100 years hopefully we can start to reverse so that's my optimism, that's actually a good place to end a very optimistic note Matt, Josepha, thank you all stay around for closing remarks thank you