 Hindi quint and Bloomberg quint from this very energetic very picturesque rally town of Solon where we've got Mr Rahul Gandhi who's really had a charged engagement With this large crowd just about ended just about 10 minutes back. You know today's the last day This was your last rally. It's been 90 days of being on the road When you look back What's the sense you get from the kind of things that you may have you know recalibrated re-emphasized done differently? I think It's been a it's been a learning campaign for me like like most campaigns Overall, I think the Congress party has done pretty good job Taking into account the constraints. We have we have massive financial constraints when compared to the BJP as everybody knows So it's been a it's been a good experience You can fine-tune things and you know, there's always there's always a better way of doing everything Right, as I said in any adversity in constraint environment, I guess your learnings are that much so the brighter side of things, you know, I'm gonna this is the end of the campaign, but the next week is Government formation now yesterday we heard from the Congress party. Mr. Gulam Nabi as I've said openly that you're not going to be Standing up or standing in the way of a that's that's I've made it very clear that We have to respect The opinion of the masters Okay The masters are these people They are going to decide what is going to happen Anything that is said prior to that decision on 23rd is premature I'm not making any comments on government formation on any of that stuff. I'm very clear They are going to give their decision the moment they give the decision. They will be complete clarity before that I'm not gonna insult their their position Insult their status by saying, you know, I will do this or I will do that and that goes for the entire Congress party understood But in terms of the flexibility of the Congress in in trying to install a Government, which is not an NDA government. How flexible would the Congress be? I'm not going to comment on that until I have clearly in front of me The decision of the people of India. It's it would be insulting for me To start prejudging them and and start commenting on what they're going to do So I'll give you the answer to that question on the 23rd. It's what it's only a day You can ask me you can come to an interview and you can say, okay, what do you say now and I will say yes, sir This is how we're going to proceed. We'll take you upon That one The point that Sanjay is making is that you may have a limited window In Karnataka, we saw a very quick decision. We don't have a limited window. We don't have a limited window The window will be defined by what the people say We have a we we cannot make those decisions right now because we don't know what the people say Janta, who boleghi us ke baat bhi phai hypothesis ke basis pe Congress lineage ka prime minister South India's Prime Minister Dalit Mahila Prime Minister I come to Naya, you know and clearly you spent a large amount of time on Naya And this clearly is the big idea that has been put forward in in the manifesto personally I believe that you know if welfare economics is very important for a functioning democracy, so I'm a great supporter of Naya, but The flip side of Naya is that you need to have a massive amount of economic growth because all welfare economics is successful When the economy is successful. Otherwise, it's a drain on the economy now This country needs massive deregulation you talked about it for a you talked about a couple of things But are you prepared for a new deal for our economy not incrementalism? I'm not only prepared There is no option we we ran a Economic financial model in the 90s that model worked in the 90s. We tweaked that model We didn't develop a new model. We tweaked that model in 2004 And it worked reasonably well with the tweaks till about 2012 and then it just collapsed we Understand and accept that the 1990s model is not going to work in 2019. Mr. Narendra Modi didn't understand that Mr. Narendra Modi took Mr. Manmohan Singh Ji's the Congress party's ideas Abuse them and then use them and use them at a time when they just Go not firing anymore. We got in a trouble in 2014 because of those ideas. So absolutely there has to be a new paradigm There has to be a new approach. Of course not divorced from the past. So you're not going to suddenly see a you know a Complete divergence from the past, but you do need a new paradigm. We are faced with a tremendous challenge Probably as big as any challenge that we have ever faced challenges massive population massive young population and inability to create jobs for them. Nyai Ojna has two aims first aim is to send the message to poor people that in the 21st century India is not going to accept poverty. It's going to wipe it out. Okay, and second it is to jumpstart the economy and Bring the economy to the point which you mentioned of solid growth because what Mr. Narendra Modi has done He has sucked the money out of the economy. Economy is basically transactions number of transactions determine An economy right and India's strength is that we have so many people we can have so many transactions. Mr. Narendra Modi destroyed Transactions shut them down. Not when the demonetization guppers in tax. He killed it People talk to me people say, you know nationalism The most anti-national thing you can do is destroy the Indian economy. Narendra Modi has done it So Nyai Ojna is gonna The best way to put it is Nyai Ojna is going to remonetize what Mr. Narendra Modi demonetized that and I agree with you As I said, I'm a great supporter of welfare economics. That is only going to bring us back to the sort of Constrained economic growth that we've now seen for five or seven years clearly this economy needs deregulation on a massive I am for deregulation. I'm for decentralization. I am I'm absolutely for decentralization The kind of policies that we have mr. Gandhi 90 percent of India's GDP and this is we don't talk about it enough 90 percent of India's GDP is produced in the private sector We are one of the most private sector intensive economy all our farmers are private all our small businessmen are private All our small shopkeepers all our retail everything's but you know the kind of regular You spoke about you spoke about the fact that for three years you will not ask any question So my question is whenever a new government comes in happen to your father also They come in with a lot of ideas, but no the bureaucracy just captures. Are you going to be able to break that stangle? There's two things I've been in politics now 15 years Ideas are all good But in order to implement an idea you need an ongoing conversation Even when they were talking about GST we told them that look don't view GST as an event We said forget Congress forget BJP if you view this thing as an event. It's going to be a disaster This is a process. This is a conversation. This is listening to people who are shouting and saying, you know We've got into trouble so An idea has to be shaped and evolved through a conversation What I'm saying is that the Congress party is bringing a lot of ideas to the table But the implementation of those ideas is going to happen through a conversation and all stakeholders should be part of that Lateral new talent because absolutely we've seen that enough in this country that you you come in with a wanting Transformation and then you get trapped in incrementalism because that's the that's what the system is I think that I think the way to look at it is is Bring the ship back to where it was a Few years ago in terms of the basics the fundamentals institutional structure, you know the the atmosphere the Removal of the hatred in the anger Mr. Narayan Modi has spread number one number two start working on some of the stuff that you're Talking about deregulate pull out this you know remove some of the red tape and then think about two or three Strategic bets global bets not Indian bets not the Himachal bet, but a global bet, you know Green revolution is a global bet a Computer revolution is a global bet. So think about how India interacts with the world think about the world's Situation and then say okay. These are the three bets that we're gonna make and hopefully one If we're lucky to will work, but they should be they should be transformational They should not be small. I think there should be transformation. I can tell you I can tell you also Where I think some of those bets are right. I think a really big powerful bet is in completely rethinking about what healthcare is in India and in understanding that India has the capability because of its unique nature because of its population to shape global health care India can become the force that shapes the world's healthcare one to Railways the way we think about railways and the way we think about our air transport network The way we think about Transporting material inside India. I think that there is stuff there that can be done that would completely reshape this country Even a simple idea like Corporatization of the railways now that's been talked about for the last 15 years, but no one's I'm not talking about privatization I'm talking about corporatization. I mean I those are those are Tactics those are how you get to the place. I I'm talking right now more at the strategy level I'm talking. Okay. How does India? How does India? What are the steps India needs to take? to For example use Indian healthcare data What what oil is to Saudi Arabia? Data is to India and healthcare data Indian healthcare data will shape global health care I'm absolutely certain about it now one second. How do we think about it? And that's gonna be a conversation you see I I don't pretend to imagine that the answers reside in my head I don't Existing stakeholders the answers reside Right I think you have been about the biggest anxiety millenials case what my future in India make I I think it's by slugging a lot job. He's a pretty routine solution. I'm gonna insurmountable challenge What is your thought on the level of machine learning and artificial intelligence? Machine learning and artificial intelligence will help the structure of India a lot. If we use them properly. Let me ask you a counter question. Narendra Modi has spent 5,55,000 crores. He has forgiven 15 people. In that 5,55,000 crores, how much is the small-medium business? The workers are small-medium businessmen. You have demonetized for them. You have taxed for them. For them, you have forgiven 5,55,000 crores. So if you don't give strength to the small-medium business, if you don't give them protection, if you don't give them bank access, then where will the workers come from? Mr. Gandhi there would be, for instance, one of the biggest failings of the current government is that when they walked in, they were facing a twin-balance sheet problem. The banks were in trouble. Companies were in trouble. They did not recapitalize the banks when they could have in 2014. They did not rethink the banking institutions of India. I mean, are you prepared for those kind of big changes? See, we are of the view that a new paradigm is needed. Narendra Modi says, ek baar phir Modi sarkar. What he is proposing to India is, I am going to run the 2004 model again. That's crazy. It's not work. I am telling you the inventor of the model. Manmohan Singh Ji told me, Rahul, in 2012, this is not working. I am, it is not working. It's run its course. It's run its course. It's done. It's done its job. A particular set of ideas have a time frame within which they operate. So it's done its job. Narendra Modi is proposing to refire it up. That's why he is getting the response he is getting. That's why we are getting the response. Because they are like, no, no way. It can't be done. So it is going to be a conversation. It is going to be a paradigm shift. But it is not going to be whimsical. It's not going to be, we are going to build toilets. It's not going to be 15 lakh rupees. It's not going to be like that. It is going to be a conversation with the people of India, with the businesses, with the people who run the businesses, with the farmers. Say we all take hold of us. Where do we go? What are the big changes? What are the big changes? And you know, and by the way, you are suggesting this. This is an excellent idea. And you are suggesting, you are suggesting this. This is an excellent idea. And you are suggesting this. Sorry, come be done. So that conversation is what Mr. Narendra Modi has stopped. And that's frankly what India is. India is not one man who comes in, you know, just gives speeches and says, you know, what Mr. Narendra Modi does. India is 1.4 billion voices. You've got to respect them. They'll tell you what to do. Can I switch to... We've got a time issue. So last question. Last question. The very last question. Last for each. Last for each. All right. You go with La. I have a simple question. As an old Congress Beat reporter, the biggest challenge or crisis of Congress leadership is that the leadership's 80% time in HR management, in mismanagement, in interpersonal leadership management, goes in a wrong direction. And that leads down the big picture in executing it, in planning it. I can't see this problem being very much addressed. No, look, there's a conversation in the Congress Party. It's a conversation. And there will be a disturbance. The leader of the Congress Party has the skill that a lot of discussion is going on. And the main thing, the main thing, what is it? He filters it out in a way. And this conversation which you call a disturbance, this is the voice of the country. If you listen to the voice of the country, then it's not ordered, it's not organized. It's disordered. For example, let me give you an example of the shift. There's an order in the shift. And there's a disorder in the order. So, one person can say that it's a total disorder. But then, if you look at it carefully, it's said that the disorder is at this level. But there's a very good order on this level. So, the nature of the Congress is that, it's a collective disorder. But the foundation is its big order. What's the problem in BJP? They apply false orders. They try to apply fake orders in India. And that order is a mess. I want to then, therefore, since it's the last question, on foreign policy. Now, we've seen a paradigm shift under the Modi government in terms of they've escalated foreign policy to a very muscular level. The counter-strikes, the airstrikes, and then owning them and talking about them. Not really. That's not what's happened. So, you give us a sense of what's happened is, what's happened is, Narendra Modi was given a clear message by China in Dho Klam. And he went to China and bowed in front of them. That's what's happened. The Chinese were absolutely crystal clear. They sent a message to Mr. Narendra Modi in Dho Klam. And Mr. Narendra Modi panicked, buckled, went there and had a conversation about the conversation with no agenda. No agenda. When there's a massive issue on the border called Dho Klam, no agenda. That's complete submission. So, that's one. Number two, he's taken foreign policy away from the experts. So, we did six surgical strikes. But Manmohan Singh didn't do them. Manmohan Singh, the army, the strategic architecture of India did it. What Mr. Modi has done, who cares what the strategic architecture of India says? Who cares what the Air Force? I mean, he's saying, he's telling the Air Force people, he's giving the Air Force people advice that, you know, we should not delay the strike because clouds will protect our planes from the radar. I mean, where are we sitting? Mr. Narendra Modi, radar is designed to see planes. Please go and read up a little bit about modern radar or walk to the frontier plane and have a chat with the pilots. They'll tell you what's going on. So, he has taken strategy and made it into a circus. Strategic thinking, strategic actions are not circuses. Strategic actions are done after thinking and a whole bunch of strategic actions are not spoken about ever. So, we didn't speak about surgical strikes. But now that that's happened, I'm saying now, foreign policy has moved to that notch where India has openly bombed territory inside Pakistan. Therefore, it has escalated to another threshold. My question to you is, the Congress' foreign policy, as you said, has always been one of strategic restraint. But now that it has moved... Look, the foreign policy challenges in the 21st century are pretty clear. Okay. There is, on one hand, a superpower, the United States and on the other hand, there is an emerging superpower called China. There is confusion in Europe. There is fragmentation taking place in Europe. And India has to understand and accept that it has a global role. It has to stand with China, with America as an equal. It can't stand as subservient to either of these two powers. It's a huge moment for the Indonesian. But India has to realize where its strengths lie and where it is not strong. India cannot do what Mr. Narendra Modi does, which is not relying on the strategic understanding and strength of India. That is true power. That is true understanding. Making these speeches and, you know, trivializing everything just to get a couple of votes, that's not foreign policy. Mr. Narendra Modi might call it foreign policy. That's not foreign policy. Foreign policy is going to the Indian establishment and saying, foreign policy is establishment and saying, you guys understand this. I have a little bit of a sense of it. Tell me what you think. Not telling pilots, right? Pilots, aces. Listen, don't tell your strike because Mr. Narendra Modi is a genius who understands radar. Final question. Final question. You've talked about how China... You've talked about how China and America are the two poles. Is it going to be equidistant from both or will we have a greater alignment with the Americans? A political leader in India was once asked, does India lean left or lean right? And she said, India stands tall. That's the answer. Thank you.