 Live. Hi. Come on guys. We're live. Hello. We're live Hello, everybody, you know what I'm getting into chat room. You should I'm going to I'm in our discord too You know, I've never actually used it. No one does Barely people barely even know we have it, but it's integrated into patreon So anybody on patreon can get into it Folks in our Dts slack talk about it. Yeah, that's there and then I've kind of noticed other people talking about it And I probably just didn't it didn't register. It's a test because Slack you have to use the API to integrate and it's wonky discord is integrated right into patreon. So You got it, but they did it after we already had a very robust slack community. So and one sure years So I decided to just kick everyone out of slack Charge them all 35. No, it's only 35 cents. It's fine To switch. No one will care. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Okay. We're just making light of a situation that hopefully a lot of you Feel better about already. Yes We're gonna talk about that on the show, too. Yeah, and Not by way of apology, but just you know by way of history Sarah had the idea of letting patreon know they are not alone in Announcing policies that are hugely unpopular and have to backtrack on right. Yeah, it's in fact It was kind of fun doing a little research Once we decided like this guy, you know, it's kind of a good little discussion topic. I was like How do I whittle it down to just a few? Yeah. Yeah All right, I am ready if you guys are ready. I'm ready ready here. Oh we Go take it away hometown rival What's that? You want to give back some value for the value you get on a daily tech news show? No problem. Just head to daily tech news show comm slash the port to find out how This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday December 13th 2017 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio Feline at the beach. I'm Sarah Lane And Aaron Fested Valley of Salt Lake City of Scott Johnson wait Aaron's best Fested with air, but we have this thing called the inversion and imagine like most of the year going along with clear skies and beautiful Okay, and then for like, I don't know two months of the winter. It's like Beijing at the worst possible time So your air is infested. You're not infested with air. I got you There's plenty of air to go around however their current air. I'm breathing Not the air you wanted. How's the air up there Roger Chang our producer My air is fine for Southern, California. You are the air a parrot Yeah, we've had some air issues around here as well. They seem to be getting better though Yeah Well, we are gonna talk a little bit about the changes in the patreon fees and generally about how tech companies react when they make Big publicly unpopular decisions like that, but let's start with a few tech things you should know In a blog post titled we messed up We're sorry and we're not rolling out the fees change patreon announced It would not change its fee structure to charge patrons instead of creators Jack Connie wrote We still have to fix the problems that those changes addressed But we're going to fix them in a different way get more on that here in a bit support for Google Assistant is coming To phones running Android 5.0 lollipop and at tablets running Android 6.0 marshmallow and newer Because the app is not integrated into the launcher. You'll have to launch the app before you can ask any questions Amazon is expanding its same-day delivery and one-day shipping services for prime members from 5,000 to 8,000 markets across the US just in time for the holiday rush Eligible orders over $35 are now delivered for free seven days a week for prime members This of course is in the new areas if you're not a prime member You can pay $8.99 for that same-day delivery plus 99 cents per item So unless you have many many items might be worth it The people in charge of the Mariah botnet are apparently pleading guilty and wired has a story up that I haven't had a chance to parse So hopefully we'll talk about it on tomorrow's show that they started the Mariah botnet as a way to help them at Minecraft So that's gonna be interesting to dig into also breaking right before the show attorneys general from 18 states Signed a letter asking the FCC to delay its vote on changing open net internet guidelines That's supposed to happen tomorrow Well a fraud investigation is conducted the attorneys general want to investigate claims that consumer identities were used to post false Comments on the guidelines during its feedback period. I Don't expect there to be a delay, but pressure is mounting. All right, let's get into some more top stories kick us off Scott. All right. Well police in the Netherlands I've stopped using a team of eagles to take down rogue drones because it's more expensive and complicated than they thought Gosh, who could imagine the things that need to take down your drones need to be fed cared for and trained and all of that Dutch police bought four C eagle chicks after completing their trials last year But we'll move the Eagles to a shelter. Meanwhile, the US Air Force is researching Falcons to develop defense systems against drones man, it's This was a hot topic in our subreddit this morning And you know the sort of like ha ha eagles that take down drones thing aside Obviously horses and and and dogs are a big part of law enforcement the idea that an eagle could successfully Take down a rogue drone. Maybe it's not supposed to be flying where it's flying or there's some other nefarious purpose that that Law enforcement has identified very cool on its face value But there's a lot of Complications here. I mean is that cool? Is that right? Well, okay, there's there's a story You know, there's a take down the right thing. I mean, those are like, you know Predators with big claws talons Falcons though are often trained for hunts, right? So yeah I get where the idea comes from. Maybe they should have used Falcons like the US Air Force is using But maybe maybe eagles could have been trained. It looked like maybe they could But I also don't want to be too hard on them because it's like, hey It looked like it would work and then they tried it They responsibly trained the eagles and decided not to use them before say just kind of forcing it through and Sticking it out there. It sounds like, you know, there was a animal rights groups There they were vocal about their opposition to this but it also the article referenced a falconer Who said listen if these birds are trained for something very specific, let's say, you know, they miss a drone They get frustrated or they get confused You know, it's just a small child She's kind of there's some worst-case scenario stuff that probably couldn't be ignored. Yeah But I do like the thing I like on the face of the story and the reason Today was I like the idea. Oh Sorry, that was John Ashcroft when you know, we were talking about eagles Just saying but I do I do love the idea that we are reverting back to more Let's call them old-school ways of dealing with things like this by training animals to take down technology It does feel like a weird reversal of humanity, but I find that really intriguing So we'll see is the future going to be trained birds in the same way that we have trained dogs Listen if out drugs or guns and things like that. Who knows Well pigeon seemed to be doing well for a lot of people on rooftop, so I don't know T-Mobile says it will acquire layer 3 TV Which is a Denver, Colorado based television technology company and plans to launch its own TV service Next year as part of its latest uncarrier initiative in a video explaining the announcement CEO John Legere Who's outspoken in general to say the least says he's ready to compete with cable companies like Comcast Time Warner Charter Frontier and Fox This follows T-Mobile's binge on initiative for unlimited mobile video streaming and its incorporation of Netflix subscriptions Into its T-Mobile one family plans. Yeah, so layer 3 is interesting They sell a box that doesn't need a cable jack connects to Wi-Fi Customers can create separate profiles for each member of the family So I'm curious if this is going to be a bridge situation Where you use like the T-Mobile network to connect to a box rather than just being delivered over the internet Which would be kind of disappointing to me if however, they just say No, this is just an internet service. It's gonna be competing with PlayStation View sling TV Hulu live TV YouTube TV and We're gonna let you pick channels We're gonna we're gonna let you you know be even easier than these slim bundles have been up till now I mean T-Mobile is famous for being able to pull off very customer-friendly things that other companies won't so Problem is they have to get the TV channels on board to do it It also jives with the idea that they're one of the last remaining Folks in mobile who aren't pushing some sort of TV initiative or aren't pushing some sort of extra service It's true ATG Verizon both are Sprint isn't as far as Not but let's not call them major today. Oh poor Sprint. Come on. I got their shade They're already down. They're only number four. I Just I don't know if everybody watched the video, but I I did like not only did leisure say okay These are the companies that you know, we're kind of going after which Whether or not it's hyperbole does make it seem like yeah We want to compete with the Time Warner's the Comcast that you know the big companies But he says something along the lines of like and we all know that these guys are the worst I mean he's able to get away with this stuff, so we'll see I'm very very curious Yeah Synaptics announced it has entered mass production for its first optical in display fingerprint sensor called clear ID Synaptics first announced the FS 9100 optical fingerprint sensor a year ago before it had the snappy name clear ID back then It was just a proof of technology So it's taken them Exactly a year to get to the point of announcing that yes This can be manufactured and used in phones both Samsung and Apple reportedly had to change tactics on their latest phones Because they wanted to use this and it wasn't ready yet Synaptics says it's going into production with a top five OEM So here you go folks here the top five OEMs Apple Samsung Huawei Company behind oppo and vivo and Xiaomi Place your bets Here's my bet for Apple next year I think that the next iteration of what is the iPhone 10 today will be their new mainline phone and it will feature not only Improved facial recognition for face ID, but they will then go and if you'd rather you just touch the screen And I think that's going to be their thing moving forward. So at least for Apple I think this is going to be a thing in their phone So okay, so just to sorry keep on Apple for a second So a lot of people are sort of like why do we need face ID touch ID work just fine so face ID is like Be it's kind of exists because the the this this Optical in display fingerprint sensor wasn't actually ready, which is what it should have been the whole time And so next year it's as if the people have spoken and we get back what we wanted But that's not really what's going on Well, the the rumor was that they wanted to have face ID and this clear ID That has the fingerprint sensor in the screen so they could get rid of the bezels and and Both Samsung and and Apple decided to just not deal with that Samsung move the fingerprint sensor Apple had face ID, so they just decided to go a whole hog on that. Yeah, I don't think either one of them do it I think it's Xiaomi. I think Xiaomi is the one that says hey, you know You burned you burned your bridges with those other two and they're they're not gonna jump back into bed with you here But we will Because we like bringing cutting-edge technology to cheap phones. So cut us a deal Well, the next story lends itself a little bit to Apple stain course for the face ID Apple announced its second investment from its one billion dollar advanced manufacturing fund that it put together committing 390 million to Finisar company that makes laser chips using the iPhone 10 and air pods Finisar will develop a 700,000 square foot manufacturing plant in Sherman, Texas put for a high-tech facility developing VC SEL which stands for vertical cavity surface emitting laser chips that allow depth and proximity sensing Which would help? Technologies like face ID or an emoji or AR kits and all the stuff that AR kit can can can help develop as well The new facility is planned to open in the second half of next year So I think this is another indication that Apple is all in on face ID They they would have put clear ID in if it had worked it didn't they're not gonna look back They're gonna keep putting money into this because the other thing they put money into was corning for for gorilla glass And and didn't see them give any to synaptics yet. Maybe who knows hmm Well engineers at British ISP Andrews and Arnold say they successfully Successfully made a broadband connection work over two meters of wait for it wet string Finally, which reach speeds of 3.5 megabits per or megabytes per or sorry acting as a wave guide to Transmit an electromagnetic wave the company says it doesn't have a commercial use for this He's not yet and the experiment was purely for fun, but it does show how adaptive ADSL Is when it comes to faulty lines with bad or disconnective joints still providing some level of broadband service Absolutely love this story. I want I want to have at least part of my network running on a little piece of wet string I know it like I love I love and this is a Anderson Arnold. I had not heard of this ISP I think it's pretty small over in the UK But I love how the company is like we don't know what this would be good for you know We put some string and some salt water and it works. Yeah salt waters I want to become something that we can somehow use in a pinch. Yeah, I I mean I Love that they're like this isn't good for anything All we wanted to do is show like DSL is pretty crazy and and how it can work because it's a wave guide You just have to have something that's marginally conductive So so what a string and and boom you got yourself a 3.5 megabits per second connection Not a terribly fast connection mind you given today's you know needs 25 megabits per second is considered broadband in the US and a lot of people think that's slow, but The fact that it worked at all is pretty crazy And of course it brings up the the immediately brought up to me the joke of you know A string between two cups for your internet connection could actually work. Yeah It's a little Matt Damon trying to get off Mars kind of quality to it, which I like a lot. Yeah Oh, totally right. He could have made his own internet connection out of a rope. It's what's yeah He didn't have me just what you just kind of keep throwing it to your reach earth Yeah, you gotta you gotta keep it wet. That's the problem. Well, it's wet. It'll it'll weigh more. So it's probably fine Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines.com We have all these stories and more in a brief easy to listen to format to keep you Unformed every day not unformed informed daily tech headlines.com available as a podcast on the amazon echo as a flash briefing On the anchor app as one you can like skip through the stories as you go and do little hand claps and on the google home Thanks to anchor. It's all there daily tech headlines.com so What is that that's not what I was expecting to play It was great though. It was you know, that was lady tron burning up Which apparently is the next thing in the playlist after john ascroft. Uh, what I wanted to play was this There we go. That's better So let's start before we get into the examples and sarah had a great idea And we're going to get into this of other companies who have had about faces Let's talk about patreons maya culpa. Uh, and how you guys feel about it I I personally we talked about it a bit in the pre show that goes out to the patreons But I personally feel this is the right thing to do. Do I wish they hadn't announced this change at all? Well, of course Yes, the right thing to do the best thing to do for me would have been never have this idea in the first place but I do believe them When they say they thought this was going to be fine and it wasn't going to get people upset and so I'm going to judge them by how they react when they make a mistake Not that they make a mistake people make mistakes companies make mistakes It's all about what they do and what they're doing is listening and saying, you know what? Okay, we hear you this doesn't work for all of you So we're not going to do it until we figure out not only how to fix the thing we wanted to fix with this But not mess stuff up for the rest of you and I think that's good Yeah, Tom you had mentioned in the pre show that it's not as if patreon just sprung it on everybody There was there was testing that the company had done internally. They had reached out to at least a few curators that that I know and I just think that the the whole idea of The creator ultimately benefiting from the change which was that was the spin of this of the of this change from the company side The fact that so many creators were like but my patrons are upset they're leaving This is not helping me and it's not going to help me. I want to eat the fees I at least want the option To be able to say nah, thank you, but no, thank you I don't think the company anticipated such a backlash and It is nice that they're listening to the people who make the whole operation work anyway Yeah, I I mean, I've been all over the place on this. I kind of in the initial goings on felt like Well, obviously they've had some discussion and talking to a few other people to run patreon patreons including tom It was clear that they'd had discussions with people about They were working on some new ways of of dealing with you know How to how to balance these books and make this stuff work and it all made sense to me The problem is the impression to the public and the the impression to actual patrons Was not that it was well planned out that it was not thought about before or discussed that it just was sort of launched On everybody without any kind of warning and impressions are everything So despite the fact that I think they were they were probably Working very hard internally to to think of these things There were some definite failures along the way Uh to make it so that this would have either either been more understood or we could have had more transparency as to why they were doing it Uh or at the very least You know let the patrons themselves in on it a little bit because they were a bit blindsided And that reaction turned into a bit of a snowball Well, I don't know how you let them in without telling them and it was when they told them that they felt Upset so um, you know, I mean, I guess you could say like hey, we're thinking about doing this to everyone What do you think that that's that's the different? I guess that's the the thing that they should have done They could have done that and I agree with you that that's not a thing you would normally see a company do I guess where i'm at with this whole thing is i'm with you and that i'm glad that they've rolled it back I prefer it the way it was and I prefer them to have other ideas that aren't putting the the onus on the on the patrons I'd rather we be the reason that the patrons are there and if they want to pay a dollar they pay a dollar Yeah, make it easy and make it easy What they didn't account for and this is the part I don't understand and and and and hopefully lessons have been learned but The backlash and the freak out and the upsetness and all this stuff that happened in 2017 is not a shock And they I think should have or could have anticipated that a little bit better to the point that the brand really got Besmirched for a good week. Yeah to the point that it was hard to talk about them in public Without feeling like you had to be apologetic or whatever and I think that that's probably the thing That got under the skin the most over the weekend and made them realize we've made a mistake here Uh, and I and I applaud them for coming to the point that they came to today But I really and maybe there's not a way to do that Maybe you know just maybe like lots of business models out there There's things that have to be tweaked down the road to make profitability happen to make investors happy And because of those realities, you've got to do stuff and sometimes that stuff is weird and different and hard I don't know what else they're going to do or could have done in this case So I don't pretend to be preaching to them in that regard I just I think it's a little short-sighted not to have expected the backlash that they got Yeah, well, I I you know, yes It certainly is Obvious now that they should have expected that because it happened I I don't know If I was asked, uh, you know last two weeks ago What I would have said I would have said you need to be prepared For a backlash. What are you going to do about it? Because there's always a backlash with the change, right? but but I don't think they would have announced it if they thought it was going to be this bad They they just got caught out. So so then what do you do? Yes? Be more careful learn from your mistakes, you know, if this sort of thing continues And this becomes a pattern of behavior then we're in ea territory You know, then then it's like, okay, you guys don't get a pass for every one of these But I feel like patreon has been pretty good As far as this stuff goes so I'm willing to to continue to work with them because of that it's also Way easier to say after the fact that they should have done something Then it is to be the person advising them ahead of time And so that's where I I do agree with you scott that they should have been more representative in who they talked to They should have tried this out maybe with a different set of patrons Apparently what they did ahead of time Didn't represent all of us out here because they got a very different reaction than they expected So there you go something something to learn from there's certainly not the first company To announce something they thought was great and be met with howls of derision from the internet Yeah, that's true one that we didn't actually talk about Before this episode or put in any of our research. I just wanted to at least mention it Because it just hit me you guys you guys remember probably pretty well when netflix was going to spin off Uh their disc service Into something called quickster. Yeah, that's on line 31 of the rundown. Yeah. Oh there it is right there Yes, scott jeez. Sorry. Sorry. You're right. It's right there. I somehow I skipped past that field that is a crazy Crazy blip in the history of netflix and honestly, I'm not sure it would have spelled their end or their failure Or anything like that, but it definitely would have changed the the roadmap a little It's hard to believe that was even the same company to be honest It's it was a spectacular Mistep this was back in 2011. I remember this because we covered it extensively on tnt The funny thing was it didn't just start with netflix saying hey We thought of something called quickster and the public didn't like it and they reverted It started with an email that netflix subscribers got Personal email from ceo read hastings apologizing for a fee increase That you know the community had railed against like the fee increases too much. It makes no sense But you know it was mad at the company and he's saying okay. Okay. Here's our solution We're going to spin off this whole other movie section called called quickster And that's going to help kind of separate the you know tv shows that you're used to getting and and the netflix that you know In love with with with more content that we actually want because we want to grow our network Well, that didn't work out either And the whole thing Within well, I don't know A month I don't think it was any more than that. Oh, yeah That was pretty quick entirely and netflix has has grown to become much more profitable Healthy company since so I keep waiting for for for them to start something called quickster You know they own the name still so it's gotta gotta be good for something It seems like a it seems like a name to have for something I don't know maybe but if people don't understand what they were gonna do is split the dvd business away from the streaming business And they were gonna they were gonna say look the dvd business is called quickster It's a whole separate thing And then the streaming business is called netflix And honestly, it's what they have right now. They have dvd business that's separate you pay separately for the dvds rentals if you still do it all And you've got netflix. I think it was a way to Sort of distance the brand and get people to think of netflix's streaming Maybe even package up the dvd business for sale at some point As I wound down In fact, the matter is nobody remembers that netflix does dvds anymore. Anyway, they didn't need to do that But in 2011 that was still a way that a lot of people use netflix So you can see you can see where in a board room somewhere, you know in a conference room This made a lot of sense because netflix is like our five-year plan is pretty, you know We've got to figure out how to make netflix more of that streaming model But you know still have some sort of a product for our legacy users It just doesn't always come across that way Also, why quickster? I mean was that just the only domain name they had in house that are they already owned? I never understood how that played in quickster with all the vowels, too Yeah, we're gonna remember they were gonna not only Separate it but they were gonna expand it into video game rentals So they were gonna have at the time 360. Oh, right. Yeah So you could get dvds because y'all could also rent the latest 360 titles and get madden in the mail and And they were kind of gonna do that whole game Uh game fly route. I guess that's the name of the other one And they and they pulled all that like none of that happened at all. They kept the dvd thing I still maybe they were planning to transition this into a game streaming service at some point He just wanted a different name for that. Well, that would have been right around the time and I forgot the name Yeah Go guy Kai or yeah. Yeah. Also. I also think one of the, you know, most most memorable Gaffes by a company and this is United Airlines is not a tech company But the fact that the world saw To officers drag a man off of united flight that was overbooked because he just wasn't going to leave his seat. Otherwise Caused outrage that never would have happened Unless, you know, he happened to be on that flight just because of how information is shared these days United didn't exactly apologize and uh, that took about six months I think for the two officers to be relieved of their duties and the federal government said that they weren't going to find the company either but That's a really good example of something where it probably would have just died down Except that the public got wind of it and because of all of our sharing options now It grew into something really massive. Yeah, that's the trick, right? Like we live in a time where it doesn't matter what you do 100 years ago a company like Nike or whoever's making shoes Then could have absolutely screwed up every left shoe sold for the last year And it would have made some noise. It would have been in some newspaper It would have been some consumer outrage, but it would be nothing like today like today. We would tear them apart For not responding, especially they didn't do anything about it. So you had to have a teapot dome scandal if you really wanted to get people angry Uh, I was thinking about apple and antenna gate where everyone said hey When I hold it like this. Yeah, it the the signal goes down and apple responded like man, you're holding it wrong Uh, that's not a good reaction And eventually they had to sort of begrudgingly have Steve Jobs come out and like here have a bumper free Stop your whining. Yeah And that's about as good as you were ever going to get from Steve Jobs. Yeah I mean, it's not literally what he said, but it felt like that that's that's how his attitude was I truly believe yeah, I know that that's you know, it's become a joke. You're holding it wrong Like, you know, you know, you're not holding your phone, but it's like I truly believe that he was like We'll just hold it right I Was the kind of person he was on that I think they were 100% with like the idea that well Who's holding it weird like this? Anyway, they should just hold it this way and it's not a problem Like I can probably see it. Yeah, there's also uh xbox one games would uh would require the internet Every 24 hours to play offline Uh games on disc could be lent resold given away and rent could not be lent resold or give it away or rented They were going to try to get ready to use games Downloaded games weren't going to work without an internet connection So they they backtracked on all of that stuff within weeks Yeah, the announcement 83. There was a lot more too to that. There was a huge Well, what a mistake that was when they got up and announced this thing at the same e3 that sony was announcing what they were doing at the ps4 They announced all of those restrictions all of those changes all those things They were also really really pushing the idea that this was finally the entertainment box in the living room Not just a video game console which struck gamers in kind of a weird way The online all the time stuff was huge the mandatory connect Stuff had to be there and all sorts of weird operating system layer of windows layer of xbox os stuff Like all of that stuff fell flat on the ears of their core audience and they are still paying for that And they've they've turned it around. It's a video game box with a focus on that. There is no connect anymore They don't have any of those restrictions They just it's a combination of bad timing And a little bit of deafness to what their audience really wanted and here we are today with them at a 40 or so million console deficit or something to that effect But thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Vote in our facebook group vote Comment in our i mean i guess that we do polls sometimes But you can do more than just vote in our facebook group at facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show let's check the mailbag sarah Paul writes in from what he says is substantially snowing michigan Hope you're staying warm paul Tom sarah and the rest of the podcast and guild founding members scott, of course as well I was listening to tuesday's discussion and it made me think of one of the things that drives me the most crazy about social media And that is outrage fatigue though sometimes it Leans political i'm constantly having to hide posts on my feeds about how this or that issue is Going to ruin the world ruin the internet ruin america ruin society to the gray Where i mostly just ignore these posts that are rants or claims of outrage or indignation If everything is the worst thing ever Then nothing is the worst thing ever so for me outrage weakens the point the original poster is making all together Hmm I I agree with him. Here's the problem though Like when people are upset about a thing and they now have this new Mechan relatively new mechanism to express that outrage They are they are truly outraged about that thing the problem is you're following Let's say 300 people who all have the potential to be outraged about 300 separate things And that's the problem as we all start to sort of have an overwhelming numbers problem Where it seems like everybody's complaining and once in a while we're all in unison on something something terrible has happened And now we all feel like we got a we all got a chip in I think paul you know paul's focusing on uh got outrage And and negative stuff, but this totally goes the other way as well. I mean if I see one more You know video get passed around. It's like this is the most amazing basketball. Don't you've ever seen your life And it's like a really good one, but you know, yeah lots. Yeah, it's it's it's that kind of like Everything is so exaggerated. Yeah, you just stop Believing it that's paul's point here is When you constantly are saying this is the worst or this is the best I don't believe it anymore. I you know, I like what he says is like the article that catches my eye these days is Don't panic. Here's how we can fix it Right. Yeah, like oh, well, that's weird nobody says that what's that about and that I was gonna ask what we thought the solution is And maybe that's the solution. I don't panic is the new clickbait. Yeah, there you go I mean there are five reasonable things you can do you'll believe them Sure Click through to the slideshow Right explaining them Thank you to scott johnson as always with us on wednesdays on dtns scott. What is going on at frog pants and elsewhere? Uh, well, uh, man too many things this weekend. 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Uh, he says well if i'm putting money on it I'm totally gonna say Okay, and I said okay, but he goes but for style points. I want to say the other guy Ah, so he admitted it. Yes. He admitted it. I kind of admitted it on his show too Uh, I take all sorts of credit for stuff that's probably dubious So I'm I have no room to poke holes in his but he did kind of play it both ways there So he could take credit either way That's a little that's a little uh I'll have some fun with that. It's very political of him. I think actually Well, there's politics. There's politics and there's politics, but there's only one show that talks about all three. That's right That's right. All right. Well, does that show talk about titles? No, because I'm about to Do drones dream of electric falcons? 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Here's the thing though Uh, do a noodle you get a gigabit with noodles instead of the other thing Linguiney net gotta really salt up the that pasta Yeah, you're gonna have to add some pretty salty, uh sauce, but that is the sauce is your conductor top drama And it would all have to be dry because if it's dripping the sausage is drip off marinara net. Oh my god That actually sounds like you're suiting him in the second life Both of them hit the top marinara net Oh That's the new that's you know, if you ever want to kind of go take it to the stage. Yeah That seems like a my my my vaudevillian cooking show tom marinara You take your dance and karaoke routine Yeah Tom marinara singing about spaghetti What with arpanet you could do but I can't think of Be something for that arpa Patriots or patriots is at the top leading by three which one do you like roger? I want to hear you versus the social media butterfly effect It's a little long Right, we can consider it Patreon pulls a quickster. Is that a little too inside? It isn't after you've seen the show I don't know about during What about you, uh, uh, ms. Lane? I don't know. I I'm so sort of pleased with the patreon news today. I hate to kind of like Beat it over with the It's also like patreon didn't pull a quickster, you know, no, it's not even I get it, but that's how about inter wet How about that the wet inter wet broad band inter wet Broad band inter wet I'm just trying to think if there's anything else we could squeeze into broadband, but Yeah Quality broadband inter wet I think that's good My vote is inter wet or some combination of what's a what's it called when you have the different The gauge of a of a rope Gauge oh thickness. I don't know rope terms the twine turns Gauge, right Threads the numbers there's something with the twines. Yeah Hold on. Hold on thickness of rope definition Gourd cord thick cord toward the strands Broad strand internet Strand String theory internet, that's not what I was going for but that works even better Barbra Streisand Your internet's hanging by a string I've got the net on a string. So what did you pick broad strand inter wet get it It's perfect If there's anything that's gonna make me say what's that episode about it's broad string Oh, you know actually now that you say that I was thinking about doing, uh, you know five reasonable things you can do You'll believe all five That's good. I love it. No one loves that Uh, broad strand internet wet is way better It's just just weird enough Five reasonable things you can do right now that won't surprise you So scott when when the weather gets weird, uh in your neck of the woods the the Air thing Is it like no burn days because like, you know, it's cold, right? People want to like build fires and that sort of stuff yeah, I mean It's a cozy. I mean, so we have this air quality thing because of the inversion. It's the way our valley is It's like a big bowl Yeah And so When the when there's cold air or warm air on top cold air down low it keeps it in it's a normal inversion thing LA has the same situation actually. Yeah, it's why you get small places do dember has this a lot of places Especially in the brockies have it the problem is Most years it's not so bad. It's kind of one or two days and a good snowstorm. There's it all out Just gone. Yeah We just haven't had that part of it. So what we have is this very frosty foggy Low cloud. Yeah misty thing. It all it all looks like a like a real scary movie outside in the morning Um, everyone I take it's like truly fog Yeah, yeah, I don't know if anyone's ever seen the video game silent hill, but it's just like that And uh, some of our listeners. I know I played it. But anyway, uh, so it's not bad It's just this year is really bad and then they every morning on the news It's like air quality conditions today green or yellow or Right, right. Yeah, it's just something that everyone talks about like how about this air quality? It's our yeah, it's kind of our thing and the rest of the year like in the summer spring fall Doesn't exist. Just beautiful clear all the time awesome But in the winter we all get it's like we get all of our it's like What's it like? It's like Some cities have this all year round just because of general pollution We just have it all concentrated into these huge amounts during this one or two months. It's So we're dreaming of a smog Christmas We want to snow a snowstorm or a good wind and then we'll be good for weeks and then Then we'll come back again. Yeah, um, there'll be something else. I remember when I used to live in san jose, uh, which is Not as big as the LA basin, but it's similar There were there were certain days in the winter where it was like You couldn't even really see the mountains that weren't that far on on the horizon And it was the first time where I was like this is Really bad, you know, I'm supposed to see that stuff. I can't see anything You know, and it's kind of brown now in LA. I'm like just another day No, in LA. It's the opposite like the day you can see the mountains. You're like, whoa, this is crazy There were mountains over there. Yeah, exactly I remember the uh, when I was moving in to this place There was a day where you could just you could see the mountains and they were covered with snow And yeah, and Eileen and I you know, we're like, oh, that's pretty because we didn't live here yet And all the angel eaters are like, oh, look at that. That's amazing. Wow We're like is what is it not always there like what's up? Nope, it's not it's it's weird though I I've and I agree. It's really cool looking because the you know, the elevation is so high It's just hard to kind of gauge that from here So it's like 75 degrees people are in shorts and you're like, well, there's no in the mountains. Yeah Of course, it was 32 degrees of that too. There was a weird cold snow I don't know. It's been cold here the last few nights. I've been yeah, it's been getting getting chilly at night for sure Yeah, fifties. I mean It's not real for people who have real cold, you know, it actually Friend of mine is visiting from DC in a couple of weeks and she's like Okay, so like how cold is cold Yeah, and I'm like, well, like, I don't know. Do you have like a light coat and she's like, that's not even don't even talk Like you can't wear shorts. It's cold. Oh, no. No, I wear shorts regardless Down I mean in venice where it's like obviously a lot of people are still going to the beach um, even it's I mean, it's it's shorts and Tank top weather for a lot of people unless unless the weather is like 58 or lower. I'll be in shorts You just like them Right, I prefer not to wear shorts. I'm wearing me too. I have to be So hot that I have no other choice. My doctor prescribed me to wear shorts Because she's getting enough vitamin D. My my short stone bunch up the same way my pants do I love it. I'm wearing shorts Yeah See, I I I'm with you roger shorts are fine But like in order for me to be really comfortable in shorts. I gotta wear like big old shorts Because I don't like the bun chain I do like big big airy shorts. We pants that I feel Where it's it's they're basically pants. I mean, I feel it's unseemly to show my legs I I think it's uh, I think it's a sign of virility to show my legs. So That's why I think it's unseemly Hey patrons, you guys still there By now you are a special group. You really care It's funny I'm good. I'm good with shorts. I just feel like if I'm gonna wear shorts I might as well just wear a dress and then there's less material. Yeah same here Yeah, you know what I mean, Tom. I still have the San Francisco mindset I just layer like I'll have layers and I'll just like, you know pack it on if it gets Excuse me. I'm a layered kind of guy not in a Steve Bannon sort of way, but in like a normal way Maybe like he he only wears one outfit How does he yeah, does he wear multiple shirts? Yeah, it's like four layers deep. It's smart. He's actually talk about it Like why he does it? I always thought it was just because he slept in everything and then just over time You just kind of slowly reveal But I'm not gonna say on the show what I think Um anything else you want to Leave with our Viewers before I I turn off the live. 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