 వాలిలుతోపెరోమానినిని. కివిరోచిటికిటా. నిందిటారాకిటిగశితితాందిటికిటడి. వరిల౿కి. నిరిలీనిడి. Fubara as dismissed the criticisms and insinuations on the peace accord. He agreed to with his predecessor Yeson Wiki in Abu Jha as brokered by President Bala Amet in Umbu Fubara, who denied the claim that the agreement was false to him, also expressed his commitment to abide by the terms stated in the pact. The river state governor who reiterated his earlier assertion that there is no price to pay for peace to reign in river state. Take a listen. Profound gratitude to our dear president and commander-in-chief of the armed forces, his excellency the president, Asuwaji Bala Tinibu, GCFR. For wondering into near crisis situation that almost portrayed the prevailing peace in our dear state. Indeed, by this singular effort our dear president has demonstrated that he love river state and cherish nothing short of a reign of perfect peace in our states with his presidential peace proclamation on the 18th of December 2023. Mr. President's peace proclamation has naturally elicited misreaction from our people and across the country as a principal participant in the entire saga. I have taken some time to study the terms therein and have come to the conclusion that the peace part is not as bad as it might be portrayed by those genuinely opposed to it. It is certainly not a death sentence. It affords some way towards a lasting peace and stability in our dear state. Accordingly, I reaffirm my acceptance of the presidential peace proclamation and my commitment to implementing both the spirit and the letter of the declaration in such a way and manner that will restore political stability to our dear state without compromising the collective interests of our people and our cherished and shared democratic value. Johnny knows, life is apusy spokesperson, former apusy spokesperson Darlinton Waju. Darlinton, good to have you on post politics. Yes, it's wonderful to be here. What do you make of your governor's opinion about the peace part? I should tell you that if we had made this broadcast like 24 hours after the news of this proclamation of peace broke several of the persons who descended into the arena to offer opinions about what I had genuine intentions were, we would have maybe still remained laid back or refused to say anything or at best criticized the entire resolution. Because let me say this on the stress of what I was thinking is that is it that the governor never signed that peace part which is seemingly seen as being one sided or that he was forced or coerced into entering into such an agreement. So if we had made this broadcast 24 hours or less after the news broke maybe so many of the persons who offered their opinions wouldn't have done so. But ultimately and he has consistently even his commissioner for information had earlier less than 48 hours after the part came out to state that his principal signed the part without coercion. But those who seemed to want to make an industry of it, those who want to opportunistically lay into the old melodrama eventually panned out, kept coming out, rallies were held, some so-called elders were also thrown in there. So if you really look at it, a large number of the political space in river state may have gotten themselves clobbered up by what is seeming to be a progression of reconciliation between the godfather and the godson. Well I don't actually offer the tractable saga because this is the contractable. Because I am looking at the operational ability of the entire gamut of the peace pact. I am looking at his operational ability. Now some of the terms or conditions during are somewhat have some legal entanglements to it. And so one wonders what becomes of the position of the man who a competent court has already recognized as speaker of the Riversias Assembly. What becomes of that court recognition to that individual? What becomes of the budget that the court has already accepted to? So a lot legal implications. So I think two days ago there about two Riversias who had gone to court the terms of that peace pact and also to determine for the court to determine if it was right having this in the year recognized as speaker not imparted to that particular reconciliation process. So I think that in the coming days we might run into a hitch in terms of the implementation of the entire gamut of that particular proclamation because I do not think it is here to rule. I do not think it is here to rule when it comes to the reconciliation efforts in river state. And so for those who intervene, who offered the opinions, they never had not see them as opportunities. Given the scenario, given the fact that one of the major actors in this whole saga, the former governor of Riversias who is today the MCT minister is somebody who has clearly in time challenged federal authorities and federal minds. In fact, he has described himself as capital G government. Remember that phrase, the use of that phrase by the MCT minister. So for somebody like that, the character of the MCT minister coming to accept it in the table, we have to be turned the other way. Would he have accepted these terms and conditions? That person who resigned will fully, who resigned from cabinet should be reabsorbing the cabinet. And so you see that there is plenty of trust issues with such individuals. How do you force the truth of the sitting governor to accept them, to work with them without having fears of them having the loyalty with someone else. He would not have accepted that somebody who does not offer him 101% loyalty would be sitting in cabinet with him. He would not accept that. So as Riversias people, we know that he would not have accepted those terms and conditions. And so those who intervened cannot be described as opportunists. That person who has read the policies of Riversias and understood and do understand the character of the major player in this instance who would never have accepted some terms and conditions. One cannot reasonably fault some of the important booby traps that were identified. One being the fact that first world commissioners who voluntarily resigned should ordinarily be represented to the status of assembly. For the absorption into cabinet. The recognition of the 25 or 27 states who voluntarily and openly expressed their defection in an environment that is not totally consistent with the pronouncement of the supreme court. Onabegunde, that is the head-to-tail division of the party and the insistence of the 25 that they will stay as bona fide APC members when ordinarily they were elected into parliament as PDP representatives. All these booby traps cannot be faulted. But I'm sitting there and I'm thinking. Are you counting as the fact that those who may have gone to the courts now for clarification and in any way shape or form does not include Edison here himself. These are people who the courts are lightly going to term as medosome interlopers. People who the courts may lightly say lack locals. So if Edison is loyal to the governor and is playing behind the governor and the governor is predisposed to working with what he has not pronounced to not be a dissentence. I really don't see any concern for lightly legal entrapment that you have reasonably and logically highlighted. What would be your response to my own illustration? What is that has to happen for the legal impediments to be completely cleared. Because I see those as booby traps that could tamper with the operationability of the terms and conditions of the peace pact. I think that Edison here, having been so recognized by competent courts in Riverside, has to write to INEC to withdraw the declarations he made as speaker. He has to withdraw that proclamation that those seats, the seats of the 25 lawmakers have been degraded back and he needs to make that withdrawal. He also needs to withdraw his suits in courts in order to make it easier for the process of reconciliation to be holistic. Other than that, I do not see any other reason or any other way to meander or to navigate out of this peace process without having a legal encompasses. Number one, he needs to withdraw his court cases in court. Number two, he needs to withdraw the letter that he had written to INEC declaring the disease of the 25 lawmakers. When this is done, I think we can now go back to the drawing table and then return back to status quo before the crisis and status quo until before the crisis has begun. Speaking as though he got a judgment from the court, he got an expert injunction which in his side. In law, I am not a lawyer, but I do not need to be a lawyer to understand the fact that if you have an expert in favor of your sitting down there to anchor this program this evening, nobody can push you out of that seat on that same court for case, that order, but you may want to research this and I don't pretend to be a lawyer too, but many of us I do not need to research it, I do not need to research it, I do not need to research it at all. I said he needs the court, that same court, just his money man's court to vacate that entire murder. You cannot, even though it has a seven day shelf life, it cannot vacate itself. It has to be vacated by that court or a higher court will have to send it outside. I like the fact, I like the fact that it came from you that the expert order has a 14 day, you said seven, I am made to believe that it has a 14 day shelf life. The network is playing up, I really fancy the inherent logic of your reasoning, but the point is that a friend of mine recently joked about the issue that lawyers and judges cost this mess, but that they are very good students of real politics, that most they have seen the finger of the president and the importance power that that finger could do through the NJC. That person told me, don't worry, they will make a clean sweep of the mess that they have caused. I am not saying that is my opinion, I am just telling, I am just telling. Yes, but what I have just said, the opinion I just offered is what it is. Anything here has to necessarily withdraw that matter before justice, money matter and I will go. And then the court will have to strike out the matter officially. And so other than that, there is no other way because you cannot have the executive arm that in this instance the governor who is the major beneficiary in court of the UOP's pact. Now you cannot have the legislate on judicial orders, it is not possible. And that will be tantalized to constitutional crisis. We already have constitutional crisis. We already have constitutional crisis. What is happening now? I don't know about that, but constitutional crisis, any intelligent follower of political activities would know that already there is, the only thing that is happening now is the unraveling of the constitutional mess that is in place in the rivers. But having said that, I think I want to agree with you that Edison AA still has some very strategic role to play in his loyalty to the governor, not the former governor. In his loyalty to the incumbent governor, still has a role to play. I think this is the point at which we have to leave it. I am enjoying the conversation, I am enjoying the rationalizations and the intellectual intrigues that you are bringing up. But you know what, time is a dictator, it matters like this. Thank you very much. I would have loved to ask you about, for my P.C. Spokesperson, what do you think about the interim contraption or the emergency contraption with which those of you who were elected into office were kind of sent off? Because there is no time, I was thinking that you should have given that bit of the river's drama. I thought you should have given us some time to talk about that. However, I know that there will be other times. But let me say this quickly. Number one, the constitution of the APC, the constitution that we currently operate, that the one amended on the 26th of March 2022 does not give the NWC powers to dissolve any organ of the party. Now the neck of the party under article 13 sub 3B has powers to dissolve every other organ of the party. Now the last time that the neck had powers to run the party administratively and otherwise was on the 20th of April 2022 when the neck gave powers to former chairman Abdullah Yadam in order to ensure that we had very smooth and seamless conventions. And that power was transferred for a period of 90 days. It is expired in July. And so other than that, the neck has never transferred its powers in total to the NWC of the APC. I stand to be corrected. Then on the 30th of August, the day Gandujer was ratified as a national chairman of the APC, the neck only made three resolutions. Number one, approval for a standard auditors to audit the accounts of the party. Number two, gave the NWC powers to fill up the spaces that occurred as a result of resignations. The national, the office of national human leader, the deputy national public secretary and those offices that got that spaces were created as a result of either persons who went to contest elections or persons who got appointments. And these were the key areas that the neck resolved on the top of our books. And then the ratification of Abdullah Yadam and Najibullah Bashiru. These were the three major decisions of the neck on the top of our books. The neck never gave the powers to Gandujer. Darlene Zewadjou. Darlene Zewadjou, constitutional crisis, especially self-orchestrated constitutional crisis, like lies, you would need another lie to cover a lie. And when you have a major constitutional crisis, it will naturally precipitate other constitutional crises. So I wish you and your party, I guess you are in court too. I wish you guys the best in view of the fact that there is a similar resolution now between the incumbent and his godfather. Maybe it will spill over to the government's architecture of the APC in the university. Thank you very much. You go on a short break and one way back we take on the second segment of the show.