 Cool for a fact Nice one guys nice to see you all by the way today It's October 20, and this is gonna be quite unusual meeting It's very small one with small attempts, but we'll have a good few good people around us to see it's all about What's been done so far in the city? Trying to agree what to do next So Tom Little too little to summarize to you. I mean to summarize What's going on and seeing? We unfortunately I'm missing today or found a recap of the cats. It's busy on out of stuff But we will stand in the report in a meeting anyway Okay, so you'd like me to share a couple of thoughts here Yeah, if you waste it sure so Andrea myself Eric Alicia we've been having some conversations about how do we expand the Hyperledger supply chain and trade finance SIG beyond a webinar factory So we like doing webinars. They're valuable. It's great to hear the speakers and stories so is there a way or what is the way and we think about this in terms of a broader audience participation or brought a broader SIG participation Is there a way that we can add more value to corporate members of Hyperledger as well as all the members of our SIG who may or may not be part of corporate members of Hyperledger, but May have an interest in supply chains trade finance. How do we make help blockchain break out more strongly going forward? So that's at least I believe the genesis of the conversation. We want to have today here. So Andrea and you know, I am and Renew if you guys want to ask any questions, certainly you're more than welcome to ask questions What that what you think that means Here or anybody else that's on this or if you're listening to the recording and you want to hit one this up with questions And we'll have the we'll have the dialogue here, but at least we want to open this up and this will be an ongoing Item I did talk with a mention. I did talk with one corporate member Or one representative of a corporate member. I guess I should be more specific earlier this week and that person expressed some interest in In following through and seeing how we can add more value and they're going to go back to their team and try to figure out where they are I'll tell you that one of the areas that they specifically mentioned was around Data compliance onboarding fraud detection a lot of that kind of garbage in garbage out kind of ideas were some of the areas where they were and this is a Retailer out there. So I'll leave it at that right now and Andrea. I'll turn it back to you Wonderful. Thanks Tom by the way. I'll read my experience If some of you somebody did last year follow the TV of former I'm sick It's aware of the fact that I would other state voters would say launched project called breaking this out as being the size of this The project in my own mind is far from being over and dead Cold by the way, so I also share your meetings on by the way This is this should at least in tension be Far from being single showcase the meetings and companies developing. They should be Central about in the community of our pleasure in kickstarting projects. I'm reading my own experience trade finance is a very hybrid kind of project Trade finance is a very hybrid nature. I've been telling these over and over again. It's still it's worth being highlighted It's a hybrid nature industry We call it industry by the way It cross spotlights why change is the main reason why to say it's got learned But it also crosses special nowadays Pathway with so many other topics you're on everybody spotlights mainly cloud change So you see being part of an open source community by nature this means Sharing experiences and you see creating a role experiences based on what's been done and think community and elsewhere And I'm referring to what's especially has been done by cloud change and actually see Can actually deliver cold and open source based creative projects That's real role of a special interest group fostering projects fostering at least experiences gathering together workshops to the next step yes Fine to understand and I'm asking you also the attendance feeding to do this What can be done in your experience to foster this kind of projects? because being trade finance petition a long-term one actually unfortunately, maybe Got me started thinking that we should go that way and by the way It's been recently posted a lot of stuff among the profile share of the community detailing on how supply chain trade plans Going and heading straight towards the stoppage namely ESG and sustainability to be more joint forces without a safe and going for workshops Hopefully interest sakes the battle will be for the whole community So I take as these last shift massively Maybe after the year begin on that one Towards this picture. Let's go for more of workshops on regular basis And maybe a little less terms of meetings that are useful of course because we have to understand what's going on in the market but priority nowadays should be delivering and fostering projects so might take Current situation of the city is this one. It's a big hole because because maybe of the past lack to mean That we have to fill in I haven't managed to do so so far So I look back to you Tom Maybe Alicia wants to have some thoughts into this and bring some experience on other another sake She's also under my radar. Of course because trade funds supply chain They do have a strong and kind of changing kind of action by the way they do have a strong impact social impact So I'll leave it back to you. You got some thoughts the substance Yeah, I I guess from my perspective workshops is one option Uh, there's a hyper ledger has a strong uh desire to have more code bases out there So getting more folks who have development backgrounds and are able to work together from a supply chain and trade finance background Right and implement ideas and code. There can be a nice uh merger of those types of ideas with this so and I Say the same call earlier this week A person from hyper ledger David Boswell So, you know, what of other SIGs done one is the code kind of idea that you mentioned Andrea with the the climate action and accounting group there There's also the telecom SIG has done some work is in creating solution briefs So that'd be another thing. So white papers on specific topics out there Uh, a lot of supply chain. I threw out the idea of You know, should we be looking at standards or trying to create some sort of semantic level standards as opposed to maybe uh data standards and at one level GS one is pretty powerful or pretty prevalent Um in a lot of supply chain. I mean if you got a barcode you can use gs one Or vice versa. I guess as the case may be so but there may be there's probably lots of other places where gs one isn't there So that might be a place out there I believe the area of reverse logistics is very right for potential Blockchain applicability and no one is really I shouldn't say no one I don't think too many people are thinking about the whole problems of reverse logistics Which is certainly very important when you talk about circular economy types of concepts So there might be something we could do there So I throw those ideas out and maybe you know ayaan and pernu It'd be interesting to hear your thoughts, you know, you're here, you know, tap tap your brain power and you know share share your insights On this and you know, we can maybe use By the way, pernuva gas is from india. So I know for sure we we had our last call with our friend slash I was expecting to show up today, which is you can make it But I know that the more we progress in time the more India as a community and as a whole we see It's casting a light on the topics that you mentioned circularity Sustainability and sustainable development goals. So if pernuva is there and it's well instead word Please do it and give us your your insights into this Hi everyone, I'm already Welcome pernuva by the way Hi there. I'm sorry. I actually I'm just trying to get into and learning everything from you guys trying to follow you on linkedin And I'm just new to all this but I'm getting a lot of knowledge from all of you people And I thought that's going to be me today learning from all of you and discussing about hyperlages But I guess I'm from india and I'm moving to uk in a couple of couple of months and I'm going for You know understanding more about trade and Trade finance and that is what I'm interested in because and also about the digitalization for trade So, uh, I'm just trying I was here listening to everybody so that I can get the I'm audible. Hello Yep, so I'm just trying to learn and grab everything from all all of you guys there So right now. I'm just listening to you. Yeah, okay Perne what's your uh, bad and welcome In congratulations. I hope I'm going to the uk. That's that's a good deal. It's a big move. Yeah There what what's your what's your background? What kind of skills who I mean, we're all learning together We all bring skills here. You know, what are the skills that you have now that Maybe could contribute to some of this Uh, what what we're trying to do here at an overall level Okay, uh, well, uh, I'm a masters. I've done my masters in international business And uh, I'm being a member of the itc international trade center with the wto and I've done about 21 certifications with them while even I was in the lockdown That's how I got so much of knowledge about Trade and how trade finance work and how digitalization going to be implemented as in uk. We all know that it's just going to be Uh, the in the parliament has just been uh, you know discussed and I don't know how it's going to be changing things And uh, also about the fta's discussions with india and uk. It is going on very uh, you know, I don't know I think we all know what happened in uk today Mistas is out of the office and I don't know how things want to pan out in the future But I think the future looks great. I mean in terms of if we talk about india because uh, you know, how We know what's going on between ukraine and russia and then also they are tensioned about china so india has a very big role to play in order to fill this gap of the production and maybe manufacturing Units that are available over here and also We are as I follow the government orders over here as well There are a lot of fta's that have been trying especially uk at this point of time We have already done five round of talks and I think by the end of this month They're going to be the final talks with the uk government and I hope That pans out well because it's going to be amazing If things go well and I am also a big follower of sustainability So as we all know that plastic is being eradicated and what I'm trying to do is that I'm trying to set up my own company And that is the reason I'm traveling to uk and I have contacted people from india which are producing You know, we have the single plastic uses being eliminated by more or less every country Which is connected with the united nations so What I have done is that you know in india I live in the Himalayas and lower Himalayas So in india In this region there is sugarcane a lot of sugarcane which has been produced and when we use the sugarcane the remaining is Bugger's so in order to use that bugger's we have made you know plastic bags you know folks knives and You know Generally we use thermocol plates and all that so we have bugger's plates So what you're trying to do is that we have it in abundance. We trying to you know try to You know export to different countries. So I have a set up a company in regards to that and That is what I am trying to plan out to do because you know sustainability is something we all have to look into as that is the need of the hour and I think everybody have to contribute So this is the reason because I'm I as I told you I've done my master's international business I want to connect that to sustainability because both things are very prominent and they're here to stay for a very long time So what I'm trying to do is because I'm trying to focus on the qsr's big serving restaurants and trying to make my organization a little bit better and Bigger and trying to I also understand obviously I'm here because I want to learn about digitalization for trade and this is relatively new for everybody But I have also completed my certification with the itc from the blockchain for trade I've done that last month So that is how I got so much of interest in digitalization for trade because that is also a future and that had bound to happen Especially after we coming out of covet So, uh, you know, that is all about me. Thank you Thanks for new for uh sharing there. So my takeaway is you have uh Business background and trade background and use cases around there would be something where you could add value and work together Yes Okay. Well, I guess one thing I didn't say is that I've been working in uh in my organization Which is for exports and governments and I just left my job Last month we went to government exports. So I was the business manager of an organization So I was doing that for last 10 years. Thank you. You got some big changes there, sir Yeah, yes, I'm changing myself Changing that is all happened. I think that's the only positive that I can take out from covet Because I learned so much. I did so much certification and learned a lot Yeah, so that is how it is That's good. Well done You've accomplished quite a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah And I and I'm not sure sure that the whole change in the government of the uk is going to change a whole lot come on I mean, yeah, I still need to export. They'll still need to import. They'll still need to do There, you know But I believe, you know after brexit You know every other country have a equal playing ground now, you know, uh, because earlier it was a free trade You know going on between the european union and now everybody have a Like if I talk about india, we have an equal grounds You know as the it's going to be same as the european union even the workforce and the services that are going to be provided Yeah Okay Good good. Well, it sounds like you got a great background and you can help us figure out Where are we? Where are we should go with this? Absolutely. I mean, I wish everybody's tight to learn from and take the first step. So I have I have read a Couple of articles about hyper lasers Uh, so I'm just trying to grab as much as information. I'm learning a lot these days So I'm trying to grab as much information from obviously from you Uh, esteemed people who have been in this organization for years now But just trying to grab as much as knowledge I can. Yeah, okay. Good Are you any you want to share, uh, that's great to know by the way Pardon Andrea Yes, go ahead and All right. Thank you. Thank you, Andrea and the I have just one or two things indeed I am from I'm joining from the istanbul turkey and the I'm trying to Support to the reunion of the hyper ledger istanbul group globally in turkey That is the one of the reason why I have joined today and the I'm so much pleased to a big fund and a big follower of the trade finance and the supply chain SIG and that's that's really I'm much more pleased to follow up to all the webinars all the courses which you have been sharing Uh through the webinars to be honest. I must say that I have learned too many things Too many things too many things Okay, that's something I don't usually hear That that's really that that that's the reason why I love so much the hyper ledger that that's the reason One thing is missing. I did not learn to do publics I I I'm not promising myself to learn the publics to call to the Uh within the I'm not a developer. I'm coming. Oh, yes I'm I'm I'm coming from the business side And I have the more than the 30 years the banking experience a total based on the trade finance and the cross border payments And that's I have the one or two things when I when I look at the all the histories of the Hyper ledger and our today's world where it's going to do And where it's going to be and I have one things in my hand that I have noted one of the posts of Andrea did today Touching to the globally exporters and the importers That is the one of the one of one of one of one of the big idea which I have got from the uh, Andrea touching the exporters and the importers That is the that that that is the main stakeholders of the trade finance and the supply chain One hand one has the goods one has the money And how we will make it to combine the transaction between them It might be this seems to be easy, but it's never to be easy That that that that that that that that is the that is the reason why I'm here today and joining you today Let's try to touch to the real customers I don't know how would it be possible But the chamber of commerce Or the any other any other association regarding the logistic providers We will we should Use all of those sources to give them the idea of the what the digitalization is going to help them in the future days Let's find out the sources. Let's find out to do what what we will do indeed By rent a seller logistic insurance or whatever it is and the sustainability a ASG Things like that all all acceptable, but at the end one buyer and one seller Let's reach them Let's find a way to reach them and try to tell them that what the digitalization is from the perspective of the From the perspective of the real life That that that's that's quite crucial from my perspective Because when I look at the when I touch to do when I talk to the every of my Ex-client ex-customer whether it's exporter whether it's important. They are They are not ready to accept what the digitalization is From from their real life Let's give let's give them the a kind of the idea Which will be helpful to to to make to take the higher steps in the business life And that that that's the one that's the one of my reason Uh, all I can tell you that one other point is that when I look at the out-based world apac reason It's quite. I'm sorry. I missed I missed that word apac apac apac, okay. Is is a possibly Is a possibly reason It's quite important and is going to be the more and more important Let's try to reach the Real contacts from that side And they who try to learn the their approach their Exist position How we will get to the idea from that world Because that world is really getting the much more important in today and for the tomorrow and the When I think of the before the ukrainian war after the ukrainian war it doesn't matter It does always carries the important Importancy and the I'm trying to make this some kind of the bridges Taking the importance of the chinese role That we should keep it in your mind that I'm sure that renax foundation would be to help us to get To to bring us the some kind of the contacts to make the further Further analysis where the trade finance is where is the supply chain is when where this will be in the coming days and the What I can tell you that Uh, I love the hyper ledger And the I'm I'm sure that I will going to contact with you in the coming days for your help Regarding the reunion of the hyper ledger Istanbul. Thank you guys. Thank you Uh, lady I'm sorry Your english is much better than my Turkish By the way, what I have mentioned is totally right And this is uh, can you can you hear me by the way? I can I'm just yep. Yeah, can you hear me? Yes, yes it's wonderful. Sorry. So what I am mentioned is totally correct and I share his view Uh, first we should be going for more meetings and this is going to be maybe Mine and I have stats to do the things that we Did last summer with David Menel So sticking to international organization. The first thing is ICC Russia say UK Naranches do spread the verb of digitalization digitalization it goes In trains blood chain my view blockchain Has to go for team sport by way of raising other Technologies in general. So you talk about digitalization rather than blockchain the corner And second pain is to stick to the epic region and what's going on We we're into this together by the way Alicia because of the next forthcoming meetings Uh, so we should be committing to driving more Attendance from that specific area and we should think about how to do this. It's totally priority In my view and by the way, I mean child with that room talk of a gsp and I will try again to restart talking to him Should be available to deliver some more content and share with us some updates on the side That will allow us to cast the light of what's going on in china and the whole epic region But yet again on the side of webinars and meetings, we should do more in that space Um, one thing to keep in mind is, you know as we're Growing and as we're becoming more focused You know, we're already planning on having a latin america focused Yes, dude, and we've gone to discuss this by the way next to member 17 Right, so alfonso will will be will be coming and that's kind of global by the way because i'm pretty sure that for instance Gsp and it's pretty interesting in latin america and because of what's going on digitalization digitalization And the man in industry. So this is going to be Let's say cross-border stuff Right. Well as we're looking at this we might want to think about, you know Each quarter looking at a different region of the world Or every every half year so that over time we're looking at all all the different regions So if we start by looking at latin america, maybe doing apac next and let's think about what what that means I would do it in a quarterly basis Yeah, we need to we need to be focused about it because otherwise It's going to be hard to to really fulfill Things if we don't know what our what our goals are within that just saying we want to we want to connect with apac What specifically are we looking for in apac? And i would agree with you asia Absolutely totally agree So if q1 is focused on latin america for next year, do we want to have it be a quarterly? change of Last year quarterly See what's going on in africa through our friend iida wolf night Else why we should explore what's going on in south africa What do we want to do africa first or sub-saharan africa first or do we want to do apac first after latin america? I would go for first. I would well after latin america. I would focus in africa to be honest Okay, let's get started on what's going on. I'll tell you more Africa is going to be late too. It's going in africa region from china So if there's a lot going on in africa and different things it's going to give us the hope to Explore what's going on in the apac region We were massively focusing the apac region The last two years, you know that most of the tenants they came this time from there We've had people talking from india. We have people talking from singapore From different areas. I agree with that. We shoot castle life constantly into what's going on in africa region Singapore is over there and it's going to become It has ready become the real harbing digitalization in connection This is part of why i had invited bridey from from from kiora because she is in singapore You know, you know what? I think alicia. Let's keep the door open for bridey. Let's go Maybe it's a very special meeting if the rest is dense cannot join. We could go first. You know, I live in alicia. I'm six hours Back in time it can bear to bridey. It's gonna be easier for me Maybe for you and i have as well to join the call and She from bridey If the rest attendance that we live cast the meetings as usual To to to let people Give their own insights Hey guys I hear the the geographical focus and I guess my feeling is is that We might be better off Having the focus on something that is going to provide benefit and supply chain or trade finance I'll uh, you know, what's the use case? That might be valuable for importing exporting Is ian was saying and for new actually both of them we're talking about To do both I agree with you use cases are winning game if we do both at the same time though We're I think we're diluting our focus I think we all have a limited amount of time and energy that we can put into this So we need to be mindful about how we are directing our resource the resources we have I I I do like what what tom is saying about you know, let's Rather than Do geographic is a lot of a lot of things are global So it might be a company in asia, but they're involved in global supply chains If I look at what's going on in indonesia or singapore There's a lot of important export from all around the world So you agree with you you said and you touched a few focal points in indonesia In that area, I know a few people around that wouldn't know by the way leon cam. She's from australia She's doing stuff in the area. So that can be an idea You have a step in deliver So We should do both things in parallel. Is she bringing Use cases for specific areas to see what's going on in that way leon cam's company um ever They they do a lot in um the uk as well. They've done they've worked with hong kong They've done work all over Absolutely um And I may be jumping ahead here, you know, I'm thinking import export You know what what area of import export where where could we Where could we do something, you know, what what would be some areas that would provide value Is it in the paperwork area? I mean because you know, everyone's mentioned digitalization and yep, that's key and To some degree you got to have the data Right There am I getting the data from some automated sensors that I'm able to use Or are we going to have to establish some sort of I hate to say standard or hey If you want to do this blockchain thing You can't have some person sitting in the factory or on the farm Oh, well, hey, that call looks healthy check, you know, and then it goes on the blockchain type of thing There Or do you have to have some sort of auditing where you know, you have you have veterinary Folks that are going out there and every every animal that goes through Yeah, they're all healthy. We've certified it, you know That's actually that's a really in practice. It's a really complicated use case. Well, exactly. I mean You know that this is why you're I'm not going to start talking about it because once I start you're not going to shut me up Anything around agriculture like that. There's a lot of there's a lot of moving pieces, which is why designing Designing like documenting your your supply chain and figuring out what data needs to be collected Who that data has to come from how we make sure it's the correct data How we make sure that there's no data fraud How to make sure that the data we have actually applies to The product where the to the to the physical product we think and yesterday I was interviewed by a researcher and I was talking about a company that I mentored a couple years ago and a blockchain accelerator and they were a biotech company participating in a blockchain accelerator because They were creating DNA tags that were putting data inside of DNA that Would allow recipients of a product whether it be food whether it be pharma whether it be textiles to them do a swab of Of the product and confirm did it have the right digital tag to say that it really did go along with this blockchain record And I'm glad you're saying those kind of things And you know, I I it was somewhat of a leading question, right? I'm throwing out ideas here to get us all thinking In but I believe Where we can add value is yes, there's 15 million questions about What doesn't work, right? You know the cow's example of the biomarkers or whatever Can we maybe establish in one small domain? Here's what can work. Here's where you can start If you're an importer exporter, you know, pernubium move into the uk, right? You're going to be importing sugarcane kind of stuff. How are you going to prove that? Right? It was harvested sustainably Blah blah blah, you know, it didn't have any child labor doing anything all those good things Right, and you know, that's always the promise of blockchain You know, if you're importing stuff ian then Some the provenance is important, but it's more a matter of then what can you do with that provenance, right? Hey, I can give you lower rates because this stuff is established well So so it's it's where where would we start? Where can we add value? In this area as a small, you know as a volunteer group, we don't have a thousand people Nobody is you know, we're not anybody's manager To your point alicia, right? You know, we can't say pernubium need to do this and if you don't have it done by next monday You know, we're not going to do that, right? Yeah, well, we need to find an area some way that Is valuable in this in this supply chain trade finance space Where we can make a difference One thing there's 50 million places. Yeah, I mean one One topic we could focus on for several for several weeks or months or a quarter if we wanted to it's like blockchain and Different technologies blockchain and AI blockchain and iot Blockchain and because it's not about blockchain by itself It's about the intersection the intersection Just like to make sure that there's no like what is the environmental impact or the labor impact? You're getting these third party certifications So it's the combination of tools Yep, yeah, and i'm going back to something ian said about uh, you know, how how do I How do I get customers that aren't ready to digitize they need a push, right? Was the words and I think what you're looking for an is what does that push? Yeah, I mean out there Um, and it's really what we're talking about is what is that push and maybe does blockchain and whatever Could be a white paper and by the way, I I I love time boxing things So Alicia you you you warned my heart when you said, you know, it's weeks or months You know, this shouldn't turn into a year-long type of thing at least initially Otherwise, we'll we'll never get it done I mean involved in as a standards group some of you know around blockchain governance that I triply and they've been talking about it for three years and You know in the last year Finally, I got involved about a year and a half ago and finally we're going to have something out of here after it and things can Things can Expand to fit the amount of time that they're allocated if you don't have a specific time they're going to Yeah, they're going to take it over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so so You know, I andre I don't know what your thoughts are Here pernuber I and and you know, it might be We're going to have more people weigh in. I mean, we want to get more corporate members here You know and pernube think about your company and what you need to do are we your old company and I and Sounds like you're in consulting. I am. Is that right? Yes, indeed. Okay. Got you. So your clients, right? Hey, what would they need in order to get pushed here? I think I had it myself again as since we're so strictly connected and involved in a few things together We should handle these things One thing that I noticed is what is missing nowadays from blockchain in general on DLT is is the missing involvement of companies We've been talking a lot about banks, large banks institutions and stuff like this but we should waste question and trying to capture the intentions by companies all around what do next for the need for of course So this could be handled by Me and I have improved if if you want to join I mean all the black suit And see how he said seeding section between blockchain iot's And all the topics made to it Can I come in here? Yep, sure blue You can give us your insights and opinion more than that Thank you Well, I've been following the ICC for a couple of couple of days because we are having the You know a prosperity week. It's been started on 17th and it was till 28th I also attended the modernization of world trade that was yesterday And I think it was wonderful and they talked about a lot of points like the leis I don't know I also learned about a day before yesterday because everything is coming it coming new every day So, uh, I think that's a wonderful way where you can you know for the security of everybody You can actually get in the yellow leis that the legal entity Identifiers, I don't know if everybody is aware about it, but they have launched They have launched Platform where you can register that okay. This person is genuine You know, there might be certain laws which are I think the MLETR modern law of electronic transferable records Which will be going to the governments and everything and then obviously blockchain could be run very well But I I also asked a question to them, which was Like digitalization for trade is practically going on for two decades now I think that is what I learned that it's been proposed and It's been you know, it is said that it will be delivered But I I honestly think whatever Knowledge I gained from it was That unless and until all the governments come together because it's a it have to be it can't be one like singapore Got the ebl electronic wheel of leading And I think they are polishing it and also australia now and china has helped them in in the trades They are going to be taking place between those three countries But they actually took one step because you know, it's a very big thing You know ebls lc's in good terms the way you want to do the business putting everything on blockchain It's a very complex process. So but they have given their start and also given a start with the ebl Which is the most important document. So, uh, they are doing it now ua is also there. It's been implemented in the uk But I don't know Yeah, so I'm just wondering, you know, because I only believe that if everyone comes in together And I asked this question in the meeting. So what they told me was we want to be raising this question in the g7 Once the g7 comes in they want to be focusing it to g20 You know, if everybody agrees because if the g7 agrees to it, then I think it's going to be You know adopted by other people once the developed countries and then the developing country But I think it's an elimination that everybody gets together because if somebody have to Export from india or china and then export it to italy and all the g7 countries All the country you have to be a part of it By the way, I found out that we are really connected on looping I think what we can do is follow up early next week If you're available since you're in the qk, so we're almost in the same timeline We should have three of us and we know what to do in this specific contest to bring in Speakers attendance to detail what's going on in the specific field And stick to the epic region you see And having people talking with us And delivering the insights Could be useful and I will drop you a message by the way later today maximum small warning To agree I'll create a comment chat Where I hand myself and you can interact and agree on what to do next John Well, I've been following ian and you on linkedin rigorously and I've gotten so much of knowledge from all the things that you share I read every and every You know, uh, polls that you make Beautiful. Thank you. I'm delighted. You see this is purpose main purpose why I share so much by the way I stick into Uh, the the mailing list I will restart you see the week in charge right Also share on the mailing list. By the way, all the articles being shared on monthly and elsewhere Summarizing to carry knowledge With participants anyway next week We'll love to catch up with you and uh, how by the way when you fail for So we couldn't see it once again in the wrong table A real reaction and we are what's doing that That would be wonderful So we're kind of at the top of the hour almost How do we tie this in a pretty bow for right now? I mean clearly there's a lot more discussion here You know individuals as well as Um, you know us as a group and we we we want to need more interested parties to make it You know ian I give you credit for re-establishing the hyper ledger Instable thing if you know if we can talk if if we can help you do that by talking about You know supply chain or trade finance, you know Sure. Well, we're happy to do that Uh type of thing For purposes of this conversation what I've taken away is We we we still need to further talk about what use cases or ideas and what form that work would take You know, whether it's a A white paper whether it's some sort of Establish a standard whether it's some sort of extension to a trade lens as you mentioned earlier Andrea Here, I mean all of those are potential ways that we could go Let's let's take the let's take the logistic providers into the game The what providers logistic providers logistics. Yeah. Yeah into the game into the game all the logistic providers into the game And trade lens against one of the most important last maybe the most important It's hard to do that. There was a group here in the united states called a blockchain and transport alliance bidda was the acronym And I I say there was a group. There's still a website. I believe last time I checked but They they really tried to establish some standards in the logistics space And it was in it was worldwide. Although it was mostly focused in the united states And it died I mean and it had a lot of money behind it And a lot of juice behind it from industry and it didn't happen um And we had their head on the hyper ledger, you know this this group We we had their head on to talk about what standards they were trying to establish so You know We we need I believe in for new viewer kind of mentioning Hey, you know g7 g and getting all these Intergovernmental kind of a groups there There definitely needs to be a push from an industry perspective and I I'm right now. I'm more of a believer This is tom's opinion as opposed to fact I'm more a believer in trying to create Kind of minimal viable ecosystems and have things happen uh Because a lot of top-down stuff and blockchain Hasn't quite worked, you know a lot of the ibm stuff Right. We trade we got trade Bankrupt, you know, it didn't happen Uh there You know trade lens has been pretty quiet. So I don't know where that is Food trust, which is no other ibm type of thing, you know, at least you may have more insight, but I'm not here at it Yeah So In the whole consensus, you know, look alike crowd On ethereum. It's not like I'm hearing much about them either out there. So I believe there's a There's kind of a bubbling up from a minimal viable ecosystems That needs to happen and you know part of what we can do is maybe create Some sort of minimal viable ecosystems of logistics and finance and whatever It might be a big dream, but If we can find one or two, you know, here's some logistics provide here's a two or three logistics provider Here's a couple retailers, right here. Here's some three pls out there here. Here's here's some producers or manufacturers or something They may want to try to do something around us very specific use case. Maybe we got So, I mean one thing we can do just to have our little targeted topic Weeks or months or periods Is to have several companies around logistics speaking during a certain quarter a certain amount of time and Have that planned ahead of time. So they all know who is participating when who is speaking when then they can all come in and Listen to to the others and this will start to foment more discussion and then we can also write up We can do write-ups of each of those presentations and put that on the hyper ledger blog So that generates content as well and have that that's a nice double It's it's um You know, we're hitting multiple targets at the same time not just creating content But we're opening conversation within industry adding value that way as well as documenting it Because especially when we talk about startups and companies like that They often don't have a lot of resources for documenting everything and One challenge I know with some of the startups that I talked to is Even though they do have the resources they need permission from the clients They worked with before they can talk about anything. So if they're able to come in and talk about something But they they just don't have the the manpower internally to write it up if they're talking about it. We can just know basically transcribe and Do a quick write-up of what they presented and that's giving them value too Yep. Okay. I like You know, I like that as a as a possibility here Eric and I had talked a little back before And Ion and Eric is another one of the co-chairs here Uh, we have talked. Hey, do we have like office hours bring bring your bring your problem and you know hear what Bring your problem for 15 minutes and then let let people give you input on that, right? I mean, clearly it's a little bit of free consulting But if we do it under the guys of hyper ledger, you know, here's how you may or may not solve that right That could be something of value or, you know, bring a problem Ideally the broader basis My hope is that we can get some of the corporate members to establish Here's the things that are important to us And then we can go and work on that Talking about the consultant that that actually raises a question in my mind. There are so many different hyper ledger iterations and I'm a non developer. I Don't know those iterations Well, I don't know the benefits or challenges of each of them and that's something We might want someone who is able to speak to that involved in that type of consulting these companies Asking questions will rightly have questions about about those. Yeah, it's not just hyper ledger But is a hyper ledger basu or one of the others, right? I mean my my This is Tom's opinion is that things have from a platform perspective things have coalesced seemingly around fabric and Firefly is a way to implement that more easily And so collido if you guys are familiar with collido at all Is a is a product Out there that helps you set up all the nodes And who's members of it and all the gorp that needs to happen They make it a lot easier to do that kind of stuff So, okay very valuable it kind of gorp, but if it makes it a lot easier cool But I mean what we're talking about is, you know, why does logistic provider one want to talk with retailer To and manufacture three and all the other parties that are involved in Any sort of transaction that that's where our challenge, I believe is Especially as a supply chain and trade finance Is I think we have run them on top of an hour and Need to rock needle on the private side Yeah, I'm looking at your next Today is the gs1 us supply chain visibility conference starting in three minutes So that's where I'll be running. I I had put it in the agenda just as a event of interest so If any of the rest of you want to Look what's going on there because that's usually a good one. I I yeah, I I didn't sign up for alicia. So I'll be interested. Maybe if I could get a debrief Sure Especially with our friend kevin. I don't no longer there Yeah, so Let's give our self appointment in two weeks time when we're gonna hear from a comfortable envoy On interoperability by the way and cross-chain developing in trade finance and environmental social governance esg So doing great stuff the good friend mine. I just had a nice call today with them to get ready So stay tuned by the way because we're gonna hear from them. They're on a apple ledger They're working on also on the coda another chance Definitely interesting project So that could be another great starting points into our research is See you in two weeks time by the way. Enjoy your Conference elision that was nice talking to you Talking to you. I hand by the way per noob. I hand Going to create a group come group on linkedin so we can start chatting and thinking of What we can do next I hand myself. We are connect and talk every day. So it's gonna be easier Beautiful See you soon. I Bye