 In New England today, they would call this a raw day. You ever heard that before? I never had it in the Midwest either. And in New England, somebody said, well, it's really raw today. And I was trying to tell you, what is raw? That's not a New York thing. Not a New York thing? Well, in New England, I said, well, yeah, I don't know if New York's New England, but don't put it in New York. So, but it was raw. It was a raw day. Cold and wet. Raw. Yeah, you gotta say it the right way, raw. Hey, by the way, just congratulations to the Braves. Are they a fun team to watch? Mike, guys, they're, they're fun to watch. Could you use some air? Well, I'm not, well, no kid, I don't know, Freddie, Freddie might be able to play it too. I don't know. You guys look pretty, pretty stout. Yeah, that's a, they are a fun team to watch. What a bunch of guys that battle bullpen everybody. I mean, it's just a fun team to watch. Yeah, it probably could, probably could. When you watch other sports, do you actually watch them? You're like, oh, that guy could be that, you know? Like, does the coach do that? It's like, that's a, Only LeBron. Because I watched him in high school play football because I was on Kent and he was at Akron. Only LeBron. And then there's a couple of things. He's like, there's somebody, oh, Rodman. And going to Rodman could be an Olympic long jumper. I mean, you know, the way he could jump and as long as he was, that's how I kind of look. I don't look at him much in football other than LeBron, but I am maybe a couple of back, Wayne Embry. You guys remember Wayne Embry? He could have played football, so. Team River Junior was the heck of a vibe receiver at Mohler High. Yeah, all those guys probably could play so many sports and do so many things. It's just, which one do you want to pick? So they all picked right. Well, Coach, hey, how are you getting ready for the Saints? What, you know, not facing them, starting quarterback, Travis Simeon, or chasing him, I think? Well, you just got to have a plan for both. There are two different types of guys, and you just got to have a plan for both. And again, like we always say, D, it's always kind of what can we do? You know, can you look at the plan? Here's what we'd like to do against that guy. Then how does that fit with our personnel? Can we do that? Not only that, does it match up with the wide receivers, the tight end? There's so many factors, the O-line, but you do have to kind of do two different plans for two different quarterbacks. I'm sure, you know, I mean, they're still gonna run their offense, they're gonna run Sean's offense, but it's, you know, they both have different qualities, certainly. I mean, this seems like a really dumb question, but how do you handle a guy like Kamara who can be basically anywhere on the team? I don't know if you ever say, it's kind of like when you say, you know, how do you stop Tom Brady? They're special guys that are just special, special guys, whether it be running back, whether it be a tight end type guy, Tony Gonzalez, when he played. It isn't like, there's always these guys that are just a notch above, seems like everybody. And I don't know if you ever really say, probably what you said, Michael, is the handle is probably a good word. It's not like, look, it's hard to stop them. I mean, it's hard to stop Tom. It's just, but what you gotta do is control them. And that handle is probably is a good word. Just don't let the guy get loose on you and just, you know, take you for 40 yards or 30 yards or something like that. Is he gonna, I mean, is he gonna get open against probably anybody that you put on him? Yeah, we just gotta be there to tackle him and not give up a big play. And there's just guys like that. And, you know, that's, we just, we gotta, we gotta control him. Guys, you think you really see what I got this season? Oh, I don't know, maybe five or six or something like that, maybe. So there's always a guy on every team that is your focal point, you know, always. And maybe sometimes two or three, but, you know, there's the guys that are just that dominant. You just, maybe just a few. You know, I always just remember whenever we play Gonzalez, I mean, we had a call called triple. So we had one guy hit him with the line and two guys cover him. I mean, it was like, we tripled. We didn't triple him and basically man, but we had one guy hit him and then the red zone, two guys doubling. And so it was like, you know, there's just those guys because you gotta stop them or at least control them. What's that? Oh, good, good. Now the other guys were open all the time, unfortunately. So, you know, I don't know who else, somebody else probably heard us, but it's, we say it's not gonna be him. When I look out there, it's not gonna be him. So. Is that, I mean, is that a point of pride sometimes with, like, you're always here, like, I don't want, you know, we don't want this person to. It's not real, it's not really, it's really game play. I mean, it's really, let's, you know, I think it's probably true in every sport in some degree, like I'm sure even in basketball, you know, let's not let Jordan ruin the game even though he did or LeBron or something like that. Or in baseball, you got a guy, it's a hot hitter. Hey, let's pitch around this guy if we have to. We'll not intentionally walk him, but we're not gonna throw a groove one down the plate on this guy. You know, it's just, there's always that game plan stuff. And that, it's really more about the game plan than it ever was about pride. What's the kind of, I know this is nuanced and different, probably a man and some. What's the coaching point on those screens in terms of when to go, rush and when to get that guy? Well, that's a good one. Because we got hurt last week and we pressured. Going back to the last week's conversation, we got caught in two pressures. And when you get caught in a pressure, you're short in a zone and they got us, you know. And really what was crazy about those two screens is both of them were the exact same screen against the exact same pressure. And the one really hurt us, the early one. We were in the second one, we got the guy tackled. It was like I think a six or seven yard gain, which at least is, you know, one, but at least that's not bad, it's not 20 yard gain, like the first one, when we actually missed the tackle, if you remember, right? So it's just, when you run a pressure and a zone pressure, that's, you know, you got that's the risk that's involved in it. If they screen you, there's certain plays, you know, no matter what you call, like if you full out blitz everybody and just put the secondary in, man, if they pick up the blitz, that secondary that's hung out there, they'll, you know, if the guy has time to throw it, that's tough coverage in the back end. And so when you blitz, when you pressure, when you do those things, you're taking a calculated risk. Everybody is, it's not just me, it's anybody that ever does it. And they caught us in zone pressure last week twice on those screens. Is the linebacker, does he, is there anything he can do to read that or is his job just to go get the pressure and let... Well, the thing of it is, here's the thing, here's the thing about it is, you design pressures to beat protection, okay? You try to figure out how the offense is gonna protect this look. And then what you wanna really try to do is very few times do you really get a free runner once in a while. That's what you're looking for, but you don't really count. What you really wanna try to do is get a good blitzer one-on-one with the running back. Because the offensive linemen are gonna be sitting there, they're used to picking that stuff up. You wanna put the pressure on the running back to have to pick up the pressure. Well, so now what happens is, okay, and it's no secret, we're not playing well enough on third down. So what happens is not a linebacker's going in there to really put a move on the running back and so all of a sudden, I put a move on him and I'm by him and he's out there running the screen. He bluffs you and then he leaves. Well, you're gonna harm on our that direction and running back steps up and then he leaves. Yeah, you can turn and redirect, but it's too late. So that's kind of what happened to us last week. I mean, Dion was coming like hard. I mean, he was coming to beat that back and then all of a sudden the guy set him up and then slips him. Dion puts his foot in the ground, but that guy's gone. So it wasn't, it's not Dion's fault. It's just, it's a structure of the defense. We gotta do a little better job. You know, how we pointed in the back end a little bit, but you know, it's a tongue. Cause then if you tell him, okay, if you start going in there thinking screen, now you're tentative and you're never gonna pressure. So now you're going in there slow and you know, that's not what we're trying to get down. We're trying to pressure and when we go, let's go. And so they got us. How would I just pressure change in your career based on the ability and body type of the quarterbacks? I mean, Dante I think was talking about just in his career, it's gotten a lot more frustrating to rush those guys. Oh, cause they're more athletic. I mean, in all honesty, Brady, Manning, Breeze, just think of all of Favre. I mean, I can name all of them that have gone against the other Manning. Guys were pretty much in the pocket and got gonna move a whole lot. Now it's like every guy is an athlete that can run. I mean, everybody we've faced this year except for Tom has been a mobile quarterback that can run, including this guy. So it's like, it is, it's not like you can run all these games and these patterns and that guy's gonna be standing right where it's sitting in yards deep behind the, where the ball was snapped and they ain't gonna, they're all over the place. I mean, I'm just watching film today, Winston. I mean, and he was playing out in Seattle or somebody on film and all of a sudden he's out of the pocket and gains 18 yards. I mean, last week, it's these, in two of the games, the Washington game and this last game, it's been disheartening that their quarterbacks, last Sunday, he gained 60 yards rushing that wasn't a design run. And in Washington, the guy gained 48 yards and none of them were design runs. So we're giving up yardage in the run game which looks terrible, but it's more on third downs and loose plays by the quarterback getting it out than it is actually running game. And we gotta play the running game better for sure, but it's not that as much as it's the dig on loose plays that are just killing us. And we had chances to get off the field and third down last week too and the quarterback got out on a pressure and you know, everybody's run off now in man coverage. And so because after the screen, I decided, okay, I'm gonna pressure, I'm gonna play man. Well, now the quarterback got out and now we're in man coverage. And that's the downside of playing man coverage is now everybody's back turned to the quarterback. There's nobody to go get him if he gets out. So, you know, you gotta contain the quarterback when you play man coverage. So it's just, that's what's really changed is they're just the quarterbacks are so much more athlete. And that's why they aren't college. All this RPO, zone read, all that stuff, they're all coming out that way. It's just, you know, burrows and there's a few of them coming out. Even Lawrence, I mean, runs in zone read and did a Clemson. So there's really, really good athletes. It fundamentally changed the way you think about pressuring the quarterback. It's fundamentally changed everything about defense in all honesty. You know, I was looking the other day at, somebody told me about the run stats in the league and somebody said 4.0 average in the run game right now is sixth in the league. I can remember it in New England one time, we were 3.9 and 14th. It's just different. I mean, it's really different. You know, Bill Belichick told me in 2006 says, you know, this is a passing league. And that was in 2006. Think about what it is now. I mean, it's now, it's RPO. So it's not even half the runs that are called end up being passes. So it's just really has changed the game, whether it's pressure, whether it's coverage, all that kind of says, it's changed everything. It really has. I mean, or is that still one of those things where it's defensive coordinators? Now it's like that defensive coordinator is starting to kind of figure out what the next thing is. Well, it is, yeah. Me, to me, Michael, more than ever is it's more important than ever that you don't give up explosive plays, quick ones, and that you play good on third down, you play good in the red zone. Because teams are gonna get yards. It's nothing to see a college game now have 500 yards offense, right? It's really nothing anymore to see even the NFL games have 400 yards offense. It's just really not. But the point of it is, is that, okay, let me give you an example, okay? 2019, Tennessee, we went, we beat Baltimore at Baltimore in the playoffs. They had the ball for 97 plays. Can you imagine that in an NFL game? 97 plays. 540 yards of offense, 12 points. Red zone and third down. Sooner or later, the more they handle the ball, the greater chance they'll make a mistake and we can capitalize on it. And just don't give up quick scores. It's kind of like we talked about over in London at the end of the game. I really wasn't worried about two minutes, whether they got down there and kicked a field or not. I just wanted to take the time off the clock. Yardage didn't mean anything, points did. So, and you don't want to put guys in a position where they can get a quick score. So that's how it's changed, Michael. It's just changed everything. It's changed the front pressures, coverage. It's changed a lot of things. And the other thing is it's changed personnel if you watch teams now. I mean, they're probably in 2004 to, I had a kid, Mike Linebacker was Ted Johnson, six foot five, 260 pounds. Bruceke was the little guy at 245. Now it's even hard to find a Linebacker at 245. Two eight tanning, Deebo's what, or Deon's what, 220. Maybe guys, I bet it's not just him, it's around the league. But that's where they're coming out of college. They're coming out of college. Those are guys who used to be strong safeties 15 years ago are now Linebackers. And so energy, you have to have speed on the field because it's a wide open game. Linebackers, I wanna go back to when you first came in and you decide to, you're coming in and you're looking at this defense. At what point did you look at kind of Foyer and Deon and be like, I want Foyer to be kind of the quarterback of the defense and kind of take that responsibility off of Deon's shoulders? It really wasn't, it's more kind of the Mike Linebacker is it really wasn't so much. It was Foyer or Deon who ran the huddle or made the calls. That's really been more my deal by position, the Mike Linebacker. And I felt like the decision was made because Foyer's a bigger guy when the Mike Linebacker is usually a guy that plays in what we call the bubble. In other words, he's over guard, he's not protected. The Will Linebacker is usually a guy that plays behind a three technique and he is kind of protected while Deon can run. And so I wanted to put him in a position that he's protected so he could run and not have to worry about a lineman coming up on him all the time. So the bigger guy had to be the guy that takes on the lineman. So it was more by, okay, I think Foyer is that guy. I think Deon's this guy. It didn't anything about calling the huddle. Deon could call the huddle. He could call the defense. It's not about that, it was about the Mike because the Mike's the guy that sets the front because I want him to be in the bubble. So it was more based on the position than it was the person. I was talking to Frank Bush, I guess it was last week, he said this allows Deon to essentially be more Deon. Is that kind of like what he's saying? Yeah, that's true. You know, it's more the flow of the game. I mean, it's usually those guys, when you look at the Will Linebackers probably about anywhere in the league, those are the guys that are a little faster, freer, can do a lot more in coverage, can play more man coverage. The bigger guys are the guys who try not to put them in a lot of man coverage on backs and stuff like that, all the foyer he can handle because he can run. But there's, you know, he's just, it's, that was a good point by Frank, yes. Coach, how does Ingram look just with one game back and what does he bring to their offense? Well, what he brings to their offense is a whole different style of running. You know, he's the one cut downhill power. I mean, he can run, I mean, not that he's, he can certainly run and bounce it out, but you know, he's kind of that back that can, when you play 41, you just got to tell everybody you're at the point, everybody's at the point of attack. It was like when we played Bell at Pittsburgh. I mean, I don't know where he's gonna end up. I don't know, guy can jump cut, take it outside, inside, wherever he's gonna go. I think Ingram's a little bit more and he was even when we played him played him a couple of different times. He's a hard runner. He's a total, I mean, he gonna run over you if he gets a chance. It's kind of like the quarterback situation. I'm not too, I'm not too worried about 15 running over us. Number seven can run over you. I mean, that's the kind of player he is. So, you know, it's, it's, that's like the two different types of quarterbacks or two different types of runners. You guys good? Yeah, we're great. I appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. 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