 Next drone tech go ahead. You have two minutes Hey, all right. Yeah, I did no research, but I this is you know a topic I dabble in a lot anyway But uh, yeah, normally I would say just principally that unless somebody just outright calls for violence to happen Then you cannot blame somebody using their free speech You can't contort their words and say oh they're to blame because ultimately what's gonna end up happening there Especially when it's coming from members of the government is they're gonna use that as a pretext to crack down on their opponents And on critics which is we've seen that a lot. So principally I would say no, but The the left likes to set standards and then come up with all these reasons why they should not be held to them And it seems like we're at another one of those impasses where you know, you got mainstream You know supposedly just the facts hard-nosed journalists like John Dickerson from CBS news after at least one shooting and and this is after the other one was stopped and during the Supposed an anti-gun violence that erupted in Tennessee in the capital But John Dickerson after that said that when there's no give the only way the other side gets to respond is by punching back And he said and that is the only you know where that leads right that leads to violence So he's you literally have like this mainstream journalist out there saying oh well Yeah, we were talking about you know democracy and this is we're pro democracy But when it doesn't go the way we like it then we're gonna start putting out justifications for violence Which is insane to me. So I said I would say that like a clock pointed out there has been an increase You know, there hasn't been this rhetoric it from the media in regards to trans there hasn't even been a trans thing really until Recently so clock went back to 2016 But like I don't even know if any of this was going on whether drag queens stripping for kids back then maybe I'm not sure but I Would say that the rhetoric based on their own standards the left's own standards that yes that that their rhetoric is increasing violence and You know when you say that Trump is guilty of inciting an insurrection because he said fight like hell You know, he said March peacefully and they always ignored that they want to say that that Insided the shoe drive, but you know, they can go out there and say oh fight back You know you have KGB KJP saying, you know, trans people are fierce and they fight back after a shooting That's that's kind of crazy, and I think that they should be held to their own standards. So yes Okay, thanks so much. Next a conna boy. You have two minutes go ahead Yeah, I mean my general opinion on this being one of the lefties on this panel, of course is that I don't really think there's great Evidence that there's a huge spike in violence from trans people What there is a great evidence for is that there's a huge spike in violence against trans people Which is something that oftentimes people on the right don't typically acknowledge now that spike in violence against trans people isn't just Republicans, you know passing discriminatory bills against trans people It's just very literal like violent crimes being committed against trans people now That's not a justification for any form of violence that a trans person commits, right? But again the prompt of the debate is is left-wing rhetoric Causing an increase in violence amongst trans people. I'm not convinced there is an increase in violence amongst trans people And even if it is it seems odd that the framing of the debate and probably the framing from the right-wingers here is How is this the left's fault and not the right-wing's fault for passing all of these incredibly bigoted and discriminatory bills? I mean after all if a minority group is Seeing bills getting passed against them that are leading to their death or leading to the lack of access for basic health care I'm not sure Descriptively it should be too shocking if that group tends to get desperate, right again not a justification But if we're doing a descriptive sort of sociological analysis I feel like that's a reasonable conclusion to come to and it actually has a reasonable solution stop passing these Incredibly transphobic and horrible bills. What do you consider like? Rhetoric from like Tucker or right-wing rhetoric to be responsible for the shooting The shooting at the mall where they targeted Latino people or whatever I mean, it's hard to keep track of all the mass shootings in America. So so you blame. Okay, okay So do you blame do you blame? Do you blame Democrat rhetoric for for the? GOP baseball game shooting. Well, oh listen. Here's what I'll say. I'm just wondering that can you just I'm not familiar with specific cases It's actually a short answer, okay, okay What I'm what I'll say and I would hope that anyone on the left would agree with me on this is that if there if there are increased Instances of trans people or just people. I mean doesn't have to be a trans person I don't know where we're nearing you know, if there's any increased instances of mass violence and those people are Referencing. Oh, hey, I heard boss boss say there was a trans genocide So I was desperate if there's many manifestos that get released like this like there are on the right wing Like there are currently on the right wing. I would you always hear about probably need to fucking Because that's what well, I mean, hey, right, but you never answered my question though. I noticed I gave you a car I said if that happens if that starts to happen, of course, we would condemn starts GOP baseball game shooting a domestic terrorist attack Did that happen because of Democrat rhetoric because the shooter I literally don't know healthcare. How do you not know? See well, that's part of my point too is that like everybody knows about every right wing thing But nobody knows about the left-wing stuff because it just gets memory Which rhetoric are you blaming on the baseball game? rhetoric coming from rhetoric coming from Democrats in the media at the time saying because they were against Obamacare and they were saying Republican standards specifically said or no, I'm sorry. It was Another Democrats that Grayson, I think said Republicans want you to die Sanders was out there saying that a millions of people are gonna die and then he went out and shot at them saying this is for healthcare But then so there's a lot of weirdness So the media blamed Trump for his rhetoric for exciting that for one and two the FBI tried to cover that up as Suicide by cop for years and then years later admitted. It was domestic terrorist attack So I think I think the only thing that you can really have any type of argument is the whole Republicans want you to die if that was in response to healthcare then that would be a responsible rhetoric Which I would probably attribute to that shooter. Well, it was never it never was no some irresponsible rhetoric is even that study brought up about the transverses Sis shooters if you look at that it is not strictly about the type of shooters We're talking about people going into places finding innocent victims shooting them up. It includes Robberies murders drive-bys Mass suicides. These are all things that like yep Have nothing to do with the topic and even then I see so many people using that number to be like Oh sis white miss sis Weisman white, but if you're taking all gun violence, that's not even sis white man It's actually mostly black dudes. Yeah What mass suicide was included in those numbers I Yeah, and which one of those was a mass suicide Which of them which mass suicide incident was included in that number No, it's on meeting these Right up examples of people saying things you didn't like after the shooting But how can you say those things are responsible for this shooter who by the way is dead meeting these these gang-related violent acts If you actually pulled up their voter registration, I bet you could guess what party they vote for Rich one of those people on the mainstream did it beforehand because all this references you posited after the fact where things happened after the fact So they couldn't KGP did it before KGP did it before I The second like the stopped mass shooting us so they did it before something that didn't happen Okay, well that it got stopped. It didn't cause violence, right? There wasn't violence that happened It's not causal of violence saying if I can currently saying you've brought up examples of people saying things You didn't like after the shooting, but how can you say those things are responsible for this shooter who by the way is dead? So they would have never heard KGP say that or never heard right, but right, but There was hold on there was the there was the swimmer She got attacked by that mob and and then you had this shooter as well stopped I mean, that's two prior happened after that And as as violence right and as that Tennessee bill was as that Tennessee bill was being passed. There were state legislatures that were coming out Vocally before the shooting saying this is a trans genocide Yeah, okay, I'm not saying some white and Asian people don't feel like they're targeted by the laws again It's a question of the whole reason I asked you okay, so I'm sorry to talk over you But that's the whole reason I asked you because no where you're calling these bills anti-trans Transphobic, which I don't even know what transphobic means, but You're calling him that and that's exactly what the media did and so if you're for weeks And so and saying that Republicans just like the health care thing We're gonna cause people to die and so now you're having that violence after that week's work There's a difference in saying that the Republicans are gonna cause people to die because I think that's absolutely true if you're refusing to vote what What about the violence that started really before the election 2016 election against Trump supporters and You know, I was calling it out back then that the media was inciting it I wonder what the left-wingers think you have things like the San Jose Trump rally where mobs of people lots of them were Having Mexican flags like beat up a bunch of people like cornered a woman The shoes are women through eggs at her. Yeah crazy shit And then it actually turned out the San Jose mayor and the police basically allowed it to happen They got sued for it. I don't remember how that turned out But I think they made a one and there wasn't and there was a precedent of the media talking about how racist It said for Trump was prior to this rally, right, right? And you had like Nicole Wallace saying that he was ex ex-exterminating Latinos and things like that which is just insane Like what like what the next right? And so you had people that fell justified and then and then hold on real quick my last thing on this and I'll shut up So you had the riots going on a lot of those riots were based on misinformation and incitement from the media Putting out there that like police were hunting down black people and a lot of these shooting strands be justified like Kenosha Like Michael Brown and the whole hands-up don't shoot thing like people rioted and killed people Based on the idea that he had his hands up when it was a total lie, but CNN spread it Did they inside did AOC and side attacks against ice facilities when she called them? Concentration camps there were two attacks against ice facilities and Tifa people who got killed in the process It was that inside by OC. I never heard anybody accuser of that like this is my point Is that there are trying to hold standards against us that you don't get held to Like like like you rambling on these things they that we so Listen oftentimes when I talk to you and other conservatives and they come up with all these anecdotes And then I actually look into what was said what the situation was and and it's just it's nowhere near what what you guys Right. What do you think I'm lying about? Well, I mean you just list off a bunch of shit. I would have to AOC called How do you not know these guys? You don't know about any of them. Do you think he's lying? And that's my point again is that they never know about these things like what is that if you call Isis facilities concentration camps Isis facilities are Yeah, yeah, yeah, ice facilities are probably pretty akin to concentration Oh, it's different when we do it. Here we go. No, they're not my god So I'm saying this for the purposes of both sides. Can we not get sidetracked on what isn't isn't a concentration camp? The last rhetoric that's causing right right. I'm saying right exactly I'm saying that if if we're if we're going based on principle No, but the only problem here is that your side is never held to that standard and so like how how can we Have we actually set like we we agree the standard is a bad I think the media enforces along with the Democrats the government They all kind of work at hand to enforce Standards and they can do that because they just I'm gonna wave my hands more they can pump out propaganda that backs that those narratives up And which is why you know about all the right wing violence Everybody thinks right wing violence is a huge scourge, but you never hear about the left wing if you do it's very quickly and then Memory old and so, you know the GOP baseball game shooting is a great example I mean if if that had been a successful attack, can you imagine what that would have done to the government? There would have been Bad there are a lot of things where if it were successful Stop one at a time right for I'll just say I'm wondering what we consider a successful attack I mean Mostly forgotten and we remember to 9-11 because one was a successful attack and I remember The one to happen 95 was successful as well, dude. It just didn't drop the towers Liberal clock liberal clock. I gave you a list of a hundred seventy nine left-wing attacks and the last did you not look at that? What do you think that's just a hundred and seventy nine anecdotes? Yeah, yeah, exactly what they are as examples and Again and again like I'm trying to get you to Well, I'm just trying to get them to understand that like the standard like these standards of like what? Insights violence are never equally applied And so like it's hard to even have this discussion because in the mainstream left-wing violence It's just not treated the same. In fact, it's I've heard so many times in media that it's not a thing That's not a thing. It's just right-wing violence Attacks the thing that I was reading was deaths So those those are two different things So of course you're gonna have a bigger number on your thing than my thing I haven't found it yet, but like that's just did you guys see that huge Did you guys see that attack on the police training center that looked like a corner coordinated? Yeah, it looked like a coordinated military strike. I mean, you guys see that right probably wasn't politically motivated though