 So, you know, you feel like you got an edge on him and then he finds a way to battle his way back in there and has done a good job of playing the football, you know, when it's in the area. How do you guys go about incorporating stuff that's an adjustment from last year? I know Mike doesn't like to talk directly about stuff from last year, but when you have stuff schematically or mistakes that were made last year, are they just weaved into this year's playbook, the corrections? Do you talk directly about that stuff? Was that done previously? How do you go about it? Yeah, you know, we finished the year off, come in in the spring and go through things we did well last year, things we didn't do well and things we want to prove upon. So, you know, some of that is conceptually, some of that is on a personal level, whether it's myself or another player, kind of evaluating that. And then as we move forward, making those adjustments, if it's conceptual, making those adjustments in the playbook and weaving it in, you know, into the installs in the spring, they're now carrying it out onto the field. Does he ever say like we did this and we need to do that or does he kind of avoid talking about last year, maybe with the exception of like specific film against the common opponent? Yeah, we don't look back a whole lot in referencing the past, good or bad. But, you know, we have those lessons and we have the coaching points, you know, we don't have to specifically attach them to a play or situation, but we have the coaching points that we gather through those processes and can add them on now. What do you think about Chick, I guess, from maturity level and what have you maybe seen from him, you know, the first couple of months on the job? I'm excited about Chick. He's a talented player. He's fast. He's physical. He seems to enjoy the game and love playing the game. So I'm having a lot of fun, you know, getting to know him and his game. Obviously, I think he's going to help us out a lot. You know, he's young, so just like all the rookies, just kind of pick things up and figure it out as he goes. But he's doing a really good job of jumping in and doing everything we ask him to do. So I'm excited about him and hopefully he can continue to progress. Last year you threw five picks in the first five days of practice. No picks so far in any of the team periods. What's the difference? I don't know. I'm not going to get into the last year or anything like that. You know, just trying to be smart with the ball, you know. You know, sometimes in practice you're pushing the limits, right? I mean, that's the point of practice, especially early on in training camp. And in the spring, you're kind of pushing the limits and seeing where you can put the ball and if you can fit it in there. What catch radius guys have and things like that, but it's a balance. You know, you want to be smart. You know, today we're down in the red zone. So you want to play situational ball there a little bit and be smart with the football and not put the ball in harm's way. But we just know as quarterbacks that it's our job to try to take care of the football and put it in a good spot. So we want to train those good habits as we go. How have you seen Malik come along early in training camp? You know, I'm excited to be working with Malik. And he's done a good job of trying to do what we're asking. You'll have to ask Pat or Todd or Coach Vable, you know, on evaluating him. But I'm enjoying working with him. You know, he's a really good, really good dude. He's coming up with a great attitude and is trying to get better. So, you know, from my seat, that's all you can ask for. How have you seen out of Phillips' game? Alright, your first year's second. Sorry. What have you seen out of Phillips' game so far that you like? I know you haven't probably gotten a lot of reps with him in terms of team and that sort of thing, but what have you seen out of him? He's a shifty player. Obviously, shifty, speedy, has done a good job in the slot for us of finding ways to get open. You know, had a rep, I think it was Saturday, versus man coverage was able to lose his defender at the top and win by, you know, seven yards. So I think Logan was taking that rep with him. But he's done some really good things and excited to see, you know, hopefully continue. He's starting to get those reps with me now. So hopefully we can build that relationship and continue to progress, you know, with the one group. What Robert was, have you seen him come in and just kind of be a leader within that receiver group? Yeah, no doubt. Robert's a leader. You know, he comes in, he has a presence about him and has done it for a long time. So guys, respect him and he's a really good, really good dude. You know, as we grow our relationship on the field, it was getting used to what he does well and he's so smooth. That's one thing I noticed immediately is he's so smooth with his routes. He's able to transition really well and, you know, it looks like he's going 100%, but he's not and he's able to transition extremely well. So for a quarterback, that makes it easy to throw the ball to him. We know you're not a doctor, but are you impressed with just like how quickly he's been able to come and be up to speed? Yeah, you know, just going back to the spring, you know, see him kind of building up and then, you know, weren't really sure what his plan was going to be as we came into fall camp. So, you know, excited that he's able to get out there, get some really good work in the 7-on-7s and the team periods. When you met somebody like Phillips and you haven't thrown that much to him up to this stage, but you're able to recite the details of a rep he had with Logan, how closely are you watching reps that guys have with the other two quarterbacks and how important is that to know those reps as well as you know the reps that you've had? Yeah, no doubt it's huge, you know, whether it's Kyle or any of the guys. I'm constantly watching, you know, the way guys run routes. They might not even got the ball. They might have been a backside route on a basic or something, the ball didn't come their way, but I try to on tape just go back in and watch their body language, see their movement at the top of the route and if a guy is consistently winning, even if he's not getting the football, you know, you remember that as a quarterback. So it gives you a lot of confidence, you know, if you do get an opportunity to play with that player that they have an opportunity to win. That sure was a great bang for you on who you were going to throw to every day in practice. You just didn't know who was going to be out there. How big has it been for you to have all your guys every day so far? That's nice. You know, so early, so early a few days in here at this point, hopefully we can keep everybody on the field. You know, that's the plan. I think coach has done a good job and been intentional about the way practice is structured and trying to make sure guys have an opportunity to recover and be out there. Because at the end of the day, we want to have all our guys out there and give ourselves the best chance to win. So, yeah, it's been really nice having our guys out there. That is what you said about watching guys' routes. Do you put more or less emphasis on what type of period it is, whether it's a route in a team period or a seven on seven or a one on one? They all matter. You know, obviously it's all a little bit different, but no, I don't put a whole lot of, but as I'm looking at an individual route, you know, if it's a competitive period, whether it's one on one, seven on seven, or team, you know, for that player, that's a one on one situation. So definitely just take it for what it is and it's a competitive period and a one on one rep. So it doesn't really matter what period it is. How do you feel about the offense's performance today with the pads on? I don't think it was clean enough. You know, we had some opportunities, had some drop passes, just some situations where we weren't playing clean enough. You know, we got to play clean football down in the red zone. I think we had one group, you know, have some movement before the snap and, you know, we know that kills drive. So we know offensively we got to be really, really clean down in the red zone, clean on the details. Every inch matters. If we're running the football, you know, if we can push the pile for an extra yard, that's going to be huge and we have an opportunity to make a play in the pass game, whether it's the throw, whether it's the catch, whether it's the protection, you know, we have to be able to make it. I expect to go out there and execute no matter what situation. It's obviously, you know, it's a little bit of an adjustment with the pads on. Everyone's adjusting a little bit, but there's no excuse there. You know, we expect to go out and execute no matter, you know, whether it's helmets, whether it's uppers, whether it's full pads. So, you know, look forward to making these corrections. You know, I thought we did a lot of good stuff too. It wasn't just like, you know, everything was bad out there. You know, we had some really good operational things that I was proud of our guys and checks that I made that the guys were able to jump on board with. Things that may not show up from a distance, but it's progress, right? I've seen progress from last week and coming out here, first day with the pads on. It's different for those guys, but they were still able to make the mental steps forward. So, a lot of good stuff out there today. Just, we have high expectations. We want to go out there and execute at an extremely high level. So, got to get some things cleaned up. How do you feel like your relationship with them has grown since they first got in here? And do you think they can bring something to this offense that maybe wasn't here in previous years? Yeah, no doubt. You know, tight ends are going to be huge for us. Especially the guys we got. I'm excited about the guys that we have. We have some playmaking ability, some size and length out there. So, if we can do some things that play to those guys' skill sets, especially when we get down here in the red zone, having those big targets with length and size is going to be fun for us. Ryan, I think I'm going to get a little bit more nervous. I think it won't be this cold. What do you look up at? Things speed up a little bit. You know, I think the D-lines geeked up to rush. So, when you're in team periods, you know, things are happening a little bit faster up front. Things are a little bit more physical down the field with receivers getting jammed and stuff like that. So, I wouldn't say it's a night and day difference, but there definitely is a difference just as far as the fluidity of the offense when the pads come on. Oh, it's huge. I'm excited. You know, when you have guys that are young and come in, here we are just a few days into camp and they're competing. They're doing what we're asking them to do and getting accustomed to the way we play ball around here. It really makes you just smile and think like, okay, if we can get these guys and keep them on the path that they're on as they continue to progress, they're going to help us out a lot this year. How does it kind of manifest itself out here so far? Yeah, it does. It made a lot of strides. It's fun to see a guy who just has grown so much over the past year, kind of came in last year and maybe didn't have the camp he wanted to and then progressed throughout the season last year, really got a lot better. It was fun to watch him make plays in practice and he's kind of translated that into this year. He's on top of all the details now. If you ask him a question in the meeting, he's on top of everything. So, it gives a quarterback a lot of confidence to know that a guy is going to nail all the details mentally and then also he's being able to do it physically. So, excited to see the progress he's made. How does it feel? It felt good. Since the last time we actually had pads on was that Bengals game and just to be out here, everyone called it real football. But for the guys in the trenches, and practicing without pads, it's been the same with pads on. But it was good to see guys, you know, throwing up today. So, you know, just keep building on that. We see you talking a lot. Not even now. I think it's just, you know, normally especially, you know, we always talk about like, you know, especially football players, we get camp legs, you know, stuff like that. And I would say like this camp here, I haven't been feeling like real sluggish, you know, my legs haven't been getting heavy real quick. You know, I've been feeling good. Just running around, running to the ball. You know, just getting myself prepared for, you know, later on. But, you know, of course, we're taking it day by day. But, you know, just to wait, you know, trying to be consistent with that, that's going to help me out in the future. So, seeing you working with DeMarcus, what are your early impressions of him and what he could do for this team? He's going to be a big help for us, especially up front. You know, just his play style. You know, he know what type of guy he is. You know, that's what we build our team about, our team on. And, you know, the way he runs to the ball, the way he, you know, carries himself, especially in, you know, when in time for team periods. You know, he's one of them guys that I know we'll be able to count on when in time. We'll see you talking about throughout practice. Is that something like you do to kind of generate energy within yourself, or what's the cause of that? I mean, to me, it's, you know, we do that. You know, it's not just me. You know, you see guys like KB. And I think when you as a leader, you know, you bringing that type of energy on the field that's kind of setting the tone and other guys going to follow up with that. So, I think us keep bringing energy like that each and every day. You know, that just showing that, you know, not just when things going back, I mean, good for us, also when things going bad for us. You know, if the offense scored, we're still going to be trying to talk because that's the hope on this game, you know. You're going to have them peers where our offense gets the best of us the best offense sometimes. But, you know, just trying to not be a front runner as coach very call it. And, you know, that's just something, me personally, I try to work on myself, especially, you know, when getting to the season, you know, I mean, everybody want to win every game. But sometimes, I just, I mean, we know from the past years that we're not going to win every game in this league. So, you know, just me being a leader, I cannot keep, you know, standing in the front and keep that energy up high on, especially on defense. Jeff, how much have you gone against maybe Aaron Brewer and what do you see out of a guy who's trying to earn a job there at the left guard spot? I go against Brewer every day. You know, I think, you know, coach, I saw what coach, he said about the $2,000 stake thing. But, you know, and I agree with that, you know, Brewer, you know, he's not the biggest guy everyone knows Brewer not big, especially playing a guard position because I don't win against a lot of bigger guards. But he got a heart of a line and that's the type of things we need on the offense line. Just his grit, you know, he have a lot of grit and, you know, it's going to come. Like today, you know, we had, you know, we're going to get the best, best, you know, how they always say iron shop or iron. So me going against Brewer, getting them better. You know, I'm going against him. I'm getting better as well. So like I said, each and every day, you know, he gave him his all, you know, he's going to try to finish me or whatever it may be. But I said, I think he's going to be a big help for us up front. And I, you know, each and every day I could tell just even though today was our first day of pass, you know, he had gotten better from, you know, just the first day we've been out here. So, you know, I like Brewer, um, especially up on the offensive line. I think he's going to be a big help for us up front. What's that size like to go against though when you've gone against bigger guys before and a smaller guy? Is it harder? Is it easier? What's that like? Yeah, I mean, it's playing, um, especially defense line, man. You know, that's one of the things, you know, I was working individually and we talk about pad level. And things like that right there helping us, you know, work on our technique. You know, um, sometimes we might play against six, five guards or whatever it may be. Brew, of course, not six, five. So that's helping us, you know, keep your pad level down, come off the ball at a, you know, good pad level so we're able to get under guys like Brew. Because if we don't, you know, that's his advantage. And everyone have a type of advantage that they could use playing this game. And that's Brew use, could use that as an advantage. And we just got to adapt to it and, um, come off with a good pad level. What are the things, Jeff, that you may be focused on during individual drills, during periods that can make you better this year? Um, and that's, that's one thing, um, you know, my pad level, um, you know, being consistent with my pad level, trying to be consistent just with my effort, you know, technique, my hands, no matter what we're doing, you know, keeping my hands tight, you know, um, it's just be the small things, especially when we're under the shoot, you know, doing get off my first step, not taking like the baby steps or whatever it may be. And, um, I think Coach T, you know, he, um, teaching that, you know, when we're under the shoot, explode out, things like that. And then when we get on the sled, you know, how fast can I get my, um, hands from the ground to the man and basically the sled. So just hand speeds and all that. When other guys go in and clean up things, because he's clogged up something or blown something up in the middle. I mean, that's what we need. Um, that's what, that's our job, to be disruptive up front, you know, having him, you know, um, being disruptive right there over the ball, you know, having him like we had a great play today where, you know, I think he won inside right now and me just working off him. So I got to say, things like that, you know, it may go unnoticed at times, but him just, you know, clogging up that middle could make the ball bounce all the way outside. So I think, you know, having him inside, you know, especially, you know, being consistent with that is going to be huge for us. You have a lot of these wards on the fences and stuff for wards variables used a lot, teamwork, finish, detail. Full tilt seems new. It's not new. No, that's not new. That's something we've been thrilled, I mean, and still in our defense, full tilt to the tackle. And, you know, that's one of our keys, effort and finish. And he'll ask the question every day, how do we define it on defense? And that's full tilt to the tackle, all 11 to the ball, full tilt. So it's not new. Yeah, I mean, I really didn't have two-minute nicknames. I think Big Jeff's been the newest one, true enough, but I think this one is going to stick with me. I even got some thought paths with him, especially when I wear white pants, probably see him, but I think that's one of the names that, you know, kind of just is instilling me now. I can't remember. I just, they started calling me Big Jeff and that's what we go with. Who did the thought paths for you? I mean, some guy actually put me in contact with a man. I think he make a lot of thought paths like that across the NFL. Robert Woods, Farley, both out there and taking another step in their recovery. Well, I mean, it's just another step. I don't think that, you know, really it wasn't, I didn't give it much thought. I just want to make sure that what they're doing is helping them and that they're progressing and they keep responding well to the work that they're doing and, you know, I think that there's pretty much a full workload. There's a couple of drills that they're not doing, but we've known that for a while. Golly McCrary gets his hands on four or five different paths that make you eager to want to go see the film of him today to see how he did it and what he's improved on? Well, I know how, I mean, I know how he did it. He's competitive. He's usually on body. Kind of a lot of the same things that we saw in the evaluation process and continue to learn. And, you know, he's he rarely makes the same mistakes twice. He's a very coachable player and it's good to see him, you know, disrupt the football. In general, what did you see from the big guys in the trenches with the first day and paths? You know, I mean, I'll take a look at it here on film, but, you know, there were some good runs and some, you know, some leakage and then, you know, sometimes guys getting a little pocket. I thought the defense did a nice job, you know, in the red zone. That's okay. Ryan talked about there was not throwing the Phillips that much seeing what he's doing in reps with the other two quarterbacks and that kind of influencing his thinking about him at this stage. How much can a guy sway the quarterback in reps that he's not even having? Well, I think the quarterbacks obviously watch every single rep and they watch and see who's open. You know, they know who's open and sometimes you know, we tell those you can't control when you get the football. You can just control if you're open or not and then whether you turn and finish if you don't get the football and Kyle's trying to do that and he's trying to get open and sometimes we get him the ball and sometimes the quarterback doesn't. So that's what I think the quarterback see is, man, these guys are winning and, you know, are quick and decisive. I think sometimes you have to be especially down in the red zone. So, you know, you look one way and you're thinking that you like a match up and you know, I'm sure that they'll have plenty of opportunities to hook up with each other. How's he doing and do you think he'll see some higher rank and quarter corners maybe, Kyle? Well, I mean, it is what it is inside. You know, he's usually going to get the nickel, you know, he's going to get the nickel and, you know, wherever that match up lies, I think that you know, it's early on, he's doing a nice job catching punts and, you know, like you said, winning and getting open. I think in particular, you talked to receivers about like at the top of routes trying to get separation, but you don't want to do too much. Yeah, the extended two hand push is going to be something that you know, especially going away from the football or excuse me, coming back towards the football is going to be something that they're going to see and that one usually gets called. You know, I just think trying to be, you know, as physical as you can, working your work in your flipper, pad level, you know, some of the big guys playing big, some of the smaller guys maybe trying to avoid some of that contact. But right now, I think that we're going to try to err on the side of being aggressive and then being able to dial back based on what they're calling. Which one? I think that would be an example of us trying to say be physical at the top and then now we have to dial them back down and saying, okay, these are things that they're going to call, but I've said it since I've been here that I was going to take the first offensive pass interference down the field. Like, just if they're going to grab and you know, play physical against us. I want guys to you know, play physical as well and then if they call it, I'll say, okay, that's on me and let's dial it back. We're seeing them a lot going against each other one on one. Is that intentional? Well, I think everything's intentional out there. I think whether we expect that or they want to do that, I think that they understand you know, both young players both looking to define a role here through the training camp and that they want to compete against each other and try to make each other better. For the Tampa Bay practice and Arizona. What do you want to hear from them or like what do you want to know what do you want to know from them? Well, we talk strongly about the idea between points of emphasis and basically some clarification. I would rather would likely do away with the points of emphasis. We'd like to emphasize the rules and not just specific ones so that you know, the human nature says, well, if the league wants us to emphasize this, maybe we should call it more. That's not what I want as a head coach on somebody that's you know, on the competition committee. I think we should have some clarification on what what offensive holding is and where we want to call it so that you can start to build some consistency between each crew weekend and week out. I think that's the most important thing. So talk to them about the clarification about some of the things that we've talked through the off season. I want them to meet with our players. I want them to be in meetings. I want them to watch practice. I want there to be dialogue between the officials and the players. I want the players to know how they need to talk to these officials during a game, if something's going on. Sometimes our interior linemen get held, you know, trying to get to the second level. They need to know who they need to go and talk to. There's only one official that can call it the deep judge and need to go explain to him. He can't complain to anybody else. There's only one guy to tell. So just a lot of those intricacies on on the rules and who's calling what and what each officials mechanics are. I think that can help you. What do you stress and what do you want your position coaches to harp on during these individual periods that we see out here each day? Well, fundamentals are critical. I would like to try to have a football team that is strong fundamentally that plays with the correct technique and then obviously the effort. Those are things that that we'd like to see come out of those individual drills and want to have great fundamentals and techniques. And you know, sometimes there's things you do every single day. Developers and then sometimes there's specific drills based on new coverage going in or maybe the offense is putting in some zone replays that you have to do some different things specifically and not something that you do every day. So there's every day developers and then sometimes the specific things that they add each day. What are the advantages of the length that you guys have on defense when you're working stuff like Street to Power? Well, I mean it helps you get on the guy before he's maybe ready or he's put his feet in the ground. We would like to teach it properly. That's something that they're looking at, the use of the helmet. Sometimes that guys have a tendency to get their head in and be in a linear position. We would like to lead with our hands and our face and making sure that we're continuing to run our feet on contact to try to once these tackles get moving if you can come back and put your momentum back towards the quarterback. I'd like to talk about last year I'm wondering how you incorporate things you want to be different from last year. Maybe things that didn't go the way you wanted into action. Not talking about last year? Yeah, but how do you change? Just saying that that's I think we can learn from those things that you're saying where we were in the red zone or what we did. We had nine situations I try to tell the team. We had nine situations where we were third in goal last year. That doesn't seem like a lot compared to some of the other teams that I started to watch. I guess we're just pretty efficient on first and second down. But we scored on six of those nine and on another one we got a DPI and I think that that's a pretty good number. We scored on those and the plays that we scored on were stuff that we ran in OTAs. It was a consistent theme of things that we had a lot of confidence in and a lot of work on. And so the message is all these reps that we had and that were base fundamentals it wasn't like we scored on scheme plays. We scored on plays that we had been running throughout training camp and the ones that we a lot of those that we were going to run today and this week. On the other side. Yeah, probably not. You know, I mean, I just think it's you know, whether it's ball disruption or you know, getting beat inside. I mean some of these things you don't have to revert back to last year. It's just kind of how we want to teach him Ryan throw so far in camp he looking particularly I mean, I think he's been pretty decisive and I think he's been accurate. I think there's some throws today. I'm sure he'd like to have back. I mean that may hopefully that's just kind of being down in the red zone for the first time and you know, it's early but I obviously think that that's a step in the right direction is how we want to practice. He didn't think that today's practice. He didn't think that the offense played clean. What was your kind of evaluation knowing that you're evaluating both the offense and the defense. Yeah, it's hard to have both of them have a good day. That's that's kind of tough. So it's probably that's that's pretty probably factual just the fact that you know, I don't think seven on seven was as good when that's that's a drill we expect the offense to really excel in with no pass rush and you know, good plays on both sides. I think we can learn from, you know that third group, you know talk to Malik about stringing some really good plays some positive plays, you know, I mean just put some positive plays together down the red zone taking care of the football. They did that on two plays you know, the third down play we we move which, you know, then wanted to make sure they knew that that was going to be third and ten. Talk to him about taking care of the football in this situation. Like we've got three points. Let's not try to force something here. I wanted him to understand what I'm thinking as a head coach in that situation. You know, third and ten early in the game on a 15 yard line. Like, okay, we made one mistake. Let's not make another and then the snaps low and then we you know, takes a sack which I'd rather take a sack than, you know, throw an interception what have you. But we can at least teach from that and just say, hey listen, we have two positive plays and then let's let's look and see how this this third down play developed. Malik, how encouraging is it to have the rookies kind of being impactful this early in camp and like being up to speed understand? Yeah, the better they do and the more reps that they earn and continue to try to define their role, you know, we put them in there and the more that they can handle and the more that they take advantage of the opportunities that they get they earn more opportunities. So, whether they're rookies or eight year players, third year players coming from another team, whatever it may be it's important that they continue to have the evaluation process that we can see what they can do, how much they can handle and then, you know, if we need to pull back or dial back a little bit, we can. You know, I don't know. I mean, I like it. It's what we believe in. It's all those types of things as far as how we want to play. And if they look up and, you know, they're glancing around, hopefully that those are some things that they can appreciate on how we want to play. Is full tilt getting the circle just a graphic design thing or a particular point of that? No, I mean, full tilt to the tackle is how we want to play defensively. We need 11 guys going to the football. You know, and you can always identify a loaf if you see a guy that's jogging and then all of a sudden somebody breaks a tackle and then they speed up or the ball gets knocked out and they speed up. We would rather have it the opposite way where you're running at a certain rate and within, you know, we usually tell them 10 yards in practice. Within 10 yards you can kind of figure out if you need to, you know, throttle down or, you know, continue to take an angle to the football. That's all we ask them is that we go full tilt to the tackle and if somebody makes a tackle then you can start to throttle down and if not and your services are needed then we need you to keep going. Well, I'm going to go watch the tape. I think that he had a couple good plays. Again, I'm trying to watch the entire thing. I don't know if there's something that's going to be glaring. I know he talked to him about the punch. Talked to him about keeping his head out of there when he punches and making sure that we're not lunging. So I know that there's going to be some positive plays. I know that we got the edge on him one time. You know, he was able to get out there and get the edge for us and we ran around the edge for some positive yards but, you know, I can't tell you until I go back and watch. Sorry, go ahead. I know you've been trying to get one in. How do you feel as you do a particularly good job of building some camaraderie between some of the offensive rookies? Chig mentioned the same thing. Is there anything specific that you feel like you do or preach to them to make them feel like a unit, as a rookie core kind of? Well, they're all in this together. I just try to do what I think is best for the team every single day and individuals every day. So, you know, they are all going through the same thing. They're all trying to figure this thing out, you know, where they throw football and where they fit and how they can continue to improve and, you know, the practices and the getting banged up and the installation in the long days and, you know, we try to put as many people around them, give them as many points of contact that we possibly can.