 Holy heck welcome to souls and any goods Star Wars Rogue one movie podcast We're talking about Rogue one today everything spoilers You know if you haven't seen the movie at this point You probably should check out because we're gonna talk about everything from spoilers to Darth Vader appearing to people getting killed It's all in here right now. Let's check it out You know if we saw Rogue one on the weekend. We saw her at the midnight screening all of us We were hosting event cinemas George Street's midnight screening, which was pretty cool first time for all of us Except you miss the start so we miss the start what the hell was with that? We got told there was 27 minutes worth of commercials and ad breaks and stuff like that They ended up being five was a passengers trailer and that never had any Is a pre-show less than I thought I would have stacked that full of shit before I was devastated I made a 10-second countdown apparently well reception. Yeah, didn't see it myself. Mmm. Oh, it's there We're starting to get pumped. Yeah, and I'm going they're not here. They're not back. Yeah little text the movie starting Shit so you run with all my balls the only time you've seen it Have you seen it a second time? No, I was meant to go yesterday, but we have a bit of a hiccup in the day So I might go tomorrow. I might go might go Wednesday. You would have missed the blue milk The blue milk the blue milk. That's where the blue milk. You know, there's a few a series I did hear about the blue. There's blue milk in the very first thing. Yeah Yeah, so you've seen it twice me. Yes, I think Ryan and I both seen it once. Yeah, so you're fresh Yeah, I Absolutely Been back a second time already But I'm I know I'll go a few more times as well This is something that I was anticipating Probably more than force awakens because I kind of it was just something going to be totally new Didn't really know what to expect There was a lot of I think for older fans like and I feel like this film was sort of made for us as well But the anticipation of going back to that era of the very first movie So all the vehicles and new characters but the time period and all that kind of stuff was going to tie in very closely So it was one of those situations where I was just trying to keep my expectations very low Yeah, and it was hard to do because the trailers look awesome. So going into it I did manage to you know, we've been burnt a few times with Star Wars stuff in the past And it wasn't quite as good as I thought but so going into this it was really with open eyes And then by the end of it. It was just such a satisfying experience. I felt like it was just I Probably hadn't felt that way since I've probably saw a return of the Jedi Yeah, you know coming out of a new Star Wars film not knowing what to expect going in Well, you know the force awakens I kind of felt like I kind of knew so much about that film But by the time it hit loved it as well But I just feel like this one I had this awesome sense of you know satisfaction by the end of it. Yeah. Yeah, it's very Yeah, very fun. I have to say that it wasn't like when I first walked in I was angry because I missed the first two minutes So whatever I missed I knew I missed something and I definitely missed you definitely didn't miss the True that's true. What did you do you think it needed a crawl? No, I don't I think it's good that they're trying to be different with this anything I do think they they probably could have had at least the word Star Wars in there somewhere. Yeah I think I think for me. Sorry to talk over you, but I think for me it felt weird to not have it because like Scott on the site made a really good point to me one time that he said that everything that we've ever done Star Wars Why everything we've ever played everything we've ever seen has always had a crawl Even if it was like the crappiest video game from like the early 90s 80s even 70s in some cases They always had the title crawl would always open up with Star Wars and then You know and then go down to a planner and that would introduce it to the game no matter what it was It would always have it here to have something from a franchise From this franchise sorry to not have the open crawl it felt fan film for me like and especially with the that's what it is I mean, it's like the ultimate fan. Yeah, like yeah Made that's true. I think they're probably like personally. I actually I like that it wasn't there But I know a lot of people are reacting to that specific thing So I think I wouldn't be surprised if the next one they put it back in or they do something because yeah I you know, I really missed it. I really wanted it because there's a sense that Like you said all the video games all the movies even comics and stuff. Yeah Yeah, like everything the Star Wars comics that you know the Marvel comics. They even had it like yeah everything It's so synonymous with it Yeah, and some of the reasoning coming out about it Well, it's because they want it to be standalone and they want it to be this whole fresh It's got Darth Vader in it. Yeah, and it almost overlaps with the first it's not that separate And I feel like once that fanfare goes the logo comes on and the crawl starts like there's this Anticipation that builds and just you get a little bit of backstory and excitement about what this film is gonna hold and then You just settle into this new world And I it's just a thing that's so synonymous with those movies that I really enjoy I missed it, you know and there was the I mean as I said, I missed it But I'm now 99% point 99% sure that there was the long time ago on a galaxy far far away And then it just went into the movie which is weird like why even have that if you're not gonna have the crawl I feel like ditch off that too. Yeah, because if you're going for the next bit of text that appears after that It's just rogue one. So a long time but it wasn't far away. It was one. Yeah No, unless it had to have two titles because it no it didn't know when I will know Oh, right Which I hated it was made in word art that title didn't even have a Star Wars story around the outside No, no, it's just like an ugly rogue one. They made in two seconds It's like they maybe thought about going with the opening crawl, but then they're like, no fuck We fucked it love don't do that don't put something in put something in mate. I've got water And then that's what they did I kind of got over that I forgot about the crawl thing like because I love that that opening scene so much I was like into the movie already. So I don't really have time to think about it. I was just like, oh, this is happening This is yeah, yeah, the cause not gonna be a thing and I'm already over it But yeah, I agree with you about the font thing because yeah, it's a bit strange. That was yeah awful It was awful and at this point of the movie I was in such an anger that I missed the first two minutes the movie which is really stupid But we saw it in midnight screening was such anticipation for it I missed the first two minutes from someone telling me that it was meant to be 27 It's too busy buying your overpriced popcorn. I was I was that's what I was doing I was buying a price popcorn overpriced frozen curry, but I had to have it because it was midnight I was gonna fall asleep if I didn't and a point being You know it felt weird and then they're having this ugly title card that for the movie for rogue one It just felt like you spent 200 million dollars on this movie at least add 3d to it or something like Like I don't even think the stars were moving behind No, they were on different planes as well It was like the I'm gonna have to watch it again But it was like that text was on a on a clear png yeah with a few stars on it And it was shrinking so some stars were going a different place to the yeah, it was just weird But I know that's really stupid But like my point of that story is that because of that I hate I was like I was angered in this scene I was just like this is crap. This is the Star Wars and I'm not into it But then Tarkin came in and the second Tarkin came in I was like fuck. That's the most amazing CGI I've ever seen in my life because just the first shot of him the first shot of when he walked in he started Talking to Krennic. It was flawless, but then how far in was that though? That was that was a lot in 20 minutes So you were you I was hating I was like I was like this is shit I don't want to be a part of this because Because of those reasons it took me I missed the first two minutes and that shitty ugly It took me a good 10 to 15 to get to settle into the new style the lack of crawl Not familiar music not familiar characters different shooting style. Yeah, I still liked it all still appreciate it still great But it just took that until about then before I started to settle into it And really I think by the time we're on the ground in Jeddah And it was kind of like that Moss Isley thing and you're seeing a few people like dodgy characters I thought okay now it's starting to feel like it was pretty cool It was very much just a rehashing Moss Isley almost yeah, yeah Yeah, they move around quite quickly in that early part of the film like there's a little bit of plan of hopping Kind of similar thing happened in Force Awakens, but we We at least we had that opening scene in Force Awakens where it was when you know Kylo Ren comes down to the planet and you got Oscar Isaac and the drone immediately you kind of know You kind of know where the story is going to go after that then there's a bit of plan of hopping But I think you know because it's the same story as episode four, but let's not talk about it Yeah, and that's them. That's actually the main reason I Like this film is because it does tell a new story with new characters Yeah, there's scenes in this that we haven't seen before yeah Star Wars film and you don't feel like There are no way playing it safe with that like there's obviously Easter eggs all through it but yeah, I like these new characters yeah most part and I actually felt For them like as the movie went on I know and what everyone is digging like the character like every single character in the group But I think they all had well balanced like arcs and they all had kind of each of them had kind of their moment Yeah, yeah, I have read a lot that there wasn't very much character development Like Jin also had hers and then everybody else in the film got either a line of character development Or they just didn't get anything. I didn't feel that way when I first like when I watched it I felt like I got enough from everyone like I understood every what everyone's motivation was and what You know what they were trying to do in the movie so for me it there's a lot of main players and You've only got so much time to get to know them a bit Yeah, exactly and you had to get to know him fast and they did certain things like which I really liked and it would be considered Risky and I wouldn't have thought I'd see it in a Star Wars film, which is when Cassian shoots a guy in the back to sort of shut him up and I'm like oh This was really good and that led into other parts of it that we hadn't seen the rebels painted in that kind of Almost like a band of mercenaries like they've got a common hate for the Empire But yeah, they're all there's a bit of infighting. There's a bit of their own sort of Self-serving stuff going on which we hadn't really seen before and I thought that that gave us a bit of backstory into That character as well as the the rebels as a whole. Yeah Well, I think the rebels I think this is the first time I've seen the rebels almost show being shown as Disjointed team like then everyone else has their interests in why they want to be part of the rebellion But they don't actually have a Obviously the hatred for the Empire is their conjoined interests But what I mean is like they don't they all have their own separate interests to be a part of the rebel to be a part of the rebel sorry and You know in the end of that conflict kind of ends being the reason why gin also and that doesn't the rebels team Don't actually go to the Death Star But then I do but you know I mean like they have that scene where they're all kind of conflicting against each other Or like I don't want to be a part of this That's kind of the fuck you like the first time I've seen the rebels be like that because every other time I've seen him in the later movies They've all been this one entity Yeah, yeah, the goodies in the bad really very clearly Moral shades of gray is kind of like it's good to see that in the in the rebels and yeah, sorry Oh, yeah, and what's that law? It's that one that um that jinn it's like a sick burn that she has she's like, you know better than a storm trooper Or something like that. Yeah When they have their little their little arm fight and then just just like forgive each other like 10 seconds later. Yeah Yeah, other character intros in this too that like I thought Krennic Ben Mendelssohn's character was a really interesting way to introduce him and just straight away He was different to any of the other villains because of the tone used sarcasm and stuff like when oh, he's lira back from the dead It's like it's kind of like a line from lockstock or chopper or something You know like where he's kind of like, you know, you could tell he didn't believe him at the start He's like all right. She's passed away Then when she shows up that the level of sarcasm and like that he rubbed it in was kind of like a gotcha Yeah, and I thought that was a quite a interesting trait that I hadn't seen in a Imperial dad. I really liked his The conflict he had between Tarkin and him. Yeah, like I would have liked to see more of that. I know it's in apparently in the book catalyst But I don't read books and I'm lazy It was I thought that was pretty interesting It was yeah I thought so too because he was he is our lead villain in this movie and then to see the kind of the little power struggles that He's got going on. It was almost like you're sometimes you felt bad for him It's like and what it you know, he's a mega prick, but then Tarkin takes it to a whole other level I'll take it from here. And the laser knocked him off before. Did you notice that? No, I didn't know. So so Chronix looking up at the Death Star as Tarkin's about you may fire when ready. Yeah, like and then the green lasers go as it shoots down to Scarif. Yeah, it Hits the satellite tower that the chronix sitting on. Right. So it takes him out first Pin pin point accuracy then it hits it's nuclear explosion 10k is further down and actually blow it blitz through the The guy can't get a break can he and he gets shot and shot in the back right as well And then and then he and then she's gonna go back and do him again and then Cassie Yeah back. Yeah, he copped a graze from Lyra as well at the start she got one on him. Yes, she did Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I do feel like he's here as as I mean if we're just talking about cronix from Like I think he he has some good moments in the film and I love Ben Mendelssohn, but the Aussie accent It could kill them through a little bit comes through a little bit and it does come through on that scene with Darth Vader Which you shouldn't really be thinking in that moment. Oh shit. There's an Aussie talk Haven't heard anyone else mention it it does get to me like I love him as an actor I think he's so fucking great and it was really good seeing him in it I'm just sensitive to hearing the Aussie accent because traditionally we don't hear it in these kind of movies And so for us it might seem a little bit out of place, but just here a crap crappy Kiwi accent Yeah, yeah, yeah It's not you it's it's tomorrow Morrison. Yeah, well, but also South Africans Aussies and Kiwis have this kind of visit There's a little similar accent to that southern hemisphere English that it I really notice it when it's in a film like you know if I'm watching Chappy or yeah, or something it really stands out to me But other people like don't seem to notice it or talk about it. We're very conscious of our accents down here No, I haven't met heard anyone mention anything about him sounding Aussie in it except a couple of Which I'm okay with yeah, what do you think about the score? And I mean Michael did she know only had four weeks to apparently produce the score after Kevin to splat Yeah, we'll left the movie to due to conflict of not confidence. What was the reason well think about that it was But I think Kachino is like the go-to guy I think for scores now and he is considered to be the successor to Jim Williams I think that's been pretty obvious, but would you go that far as he had Well, no, can you think of a theme that he's come up with you're like, yes That's I mean like you know, I could think of the incredible matches I did some great stuff in super eight, but like but like stuff you're gonna listen to later like I bought that soundtrack Yeah, I really really dug it. Yeah, I think it's because of that partnership that him and JJ Abrams have and JJ Abrams has considered Yeah, so it makes sense. Super 8 is so obviously Spielbergian like yeah, but Yeah, I don't I think this one might take a few more viewings to fully appreciate the score that he does here like My first viewing I don't know about you Mick, but I didn't really pick up on any themes that stuck in my head Yeah, I saw it. No, I was I felt a little bit let down by the music the first screening Yeah, there were a few good moments in that there's a there's it like a textbook Kachino moment towards the end of the film when all the shit's going down basically when they're all dying and It's they kind of all the sound effects and dialogues gone and it's just use music takes over It's like exactly the same as that opening scene from the first Star Trek where What's James Kirk's dad's name he's going Chris Hemsworth is going down the ball of flames Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, and then your score just kicks in it Or it's they did it in lost like almost every episode in lost as well Yeah, that was the first time I felt like that was a Guccino moment so maybe if he had the confidence to go out a bit more and Actually give us like a like a theme that's he could make his own but yeah little Star Wars moments He was always like pulling it back. Yeah touch. Yeah Yeah, it was kind of like that thing where you don't want to be sued for copyright So you do five of the seven notes of the same and the last two it goes But there was some moments where it did when it's when that familiar music came in It's it's three or four times I think in the movie like when Vader was around sort of the Imperial March music or his theme would come on I noticed the second time I noticed more of like straight-up bits of Star Wars music that were in it that I didn't notice the first time probably because I was focusing on the visuals. Yeah, and Layers theme comes into it Not at the end either. I'm sure it's somewhere else Imperial March. Yeah, come in. There was a couple of moments like yeah I think I thought it was about three or four in it, but yeah, I didn't feel like the score was anything I Felt that that's that has let it down I mean there was so much to love about this film like but the score Yeah, I felt like it's it's a bit of a letdown, but having four weeks to do it as well It's like why I can probably see why yeah, but then I was talking to you about this It's like these are films that are gonna be put up on a pedestal for the next 30 years Yeah, just get it right, you know, I don't rush it out in four weeks Don't give the guy in the four weeks get him on earlier or you can't really delay the movie But I don't know what has to happen But get it to that level because to sort of rush if it was rushed out in four weeks Which is just seems crazy for something that's got so much writing on it. Yeah, but like I said second viewing I actually appreciated the music a lot more. So same happened to me with Force Awakens. I was expecting Much more, you know, yeah big scores like we're used to from John Williams And I felt like Force Awakens. It was it was a little more subtle Better after viewing it more and more. I love it. I love now Yeah, I think with Force Awakens that score was considered a little bit of a disappointment for some fans But even the first time I saw it the Ray theme like really stood out to me I love the rebel or not sorry the Resistance theme when they started coming down the X-wings. Yeah, that was an awesome theme But this this movie was like wall-to-wall score score So it's crazy to me that he did turn it out like even that is an achievement in itself That he was able to write so much score because there's not much of the film where you're not hearing music at some At some point. Yeah We talked a lot about a fair amount of negative. I feel like what was your favorite part of the movie like I mean, I love the movie. I think we all love the movie There's been a lot of negativity right now. This is pretty normal. This is pretty normal to nitpick things. Yeah, let's stop nitpicking. What did you love? I should have probably let off with that now. It's like, I really loved the movie But this suck and none of that really sucked that bad Like this is still like nine out of ten for me. I absolutely loved the film. What stood out for me The whole third act was just had me Like every it was just I could not get sick of it. It was paced so well the battle the way that they Structured the editing and the The whole way they presented the battle with what was going on down on on the ground What was going on in space and what was going on in the data tape room? I thought that was just put together so well that it just kept it Kept it flowing the visuals of that were amazing like I think it what it really could have gone Down that michael bay transformers thing with just shit for ladies ships everywhere It was almost like you had your your blue squadron your yellow squadron or gold squadron and your red squadron And you kind of could see what they were up to like The y-wings are going to do the bombing run on the thing and the blue guys are down here doing that and it kind of It was almost contained. There was a lot of stuff going on But you kind of even recognize some of the characters, you know Do you feel a bit stupid when the red team was like, you know what the bombers are going to take the actual The the ship fuck it We're going to shoot the actual shield because that's going to work Like they started shooting that shit. I was like, get out of here. You're not doing anything That's just going to do something else. Yeah, I was actually surprised I'm glad that we got all that dogfight stuff because I actually didn't even though it was a little bit of in the Trailer, I didn't think it'd feature much in the actual film Yeah, but you do end up with that You know what three different three the battles going on in three different places Which Jedi kind of set that template for how yeah how these things should go But that that's like action on a scale that we've never seen in a star wars movie Yeah, well the thing the thing for me. I really enjoyed about that same, which is I think something that the people have been complaining about but for me I must be the people they're selling that shit for but bringing back the nostalgia bringing back the old characters and those scenes where they were You know, they're They had taken the scenes from episode four and reinstalled reinstalled brought them back and put them in these movies Like the red four leader and Was it red four later red leader and gold leader You know bringing them back just for the little sequences was like, holy shit. That's mad because it's going to sit up Well with episode four and then Bring it back talking and then you know putting layer at the end of the movie and then red five Killing red five opening up that slot. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was really amazing amazing and then seeing You know that little bit or not little bit sorry the the you know the talks about What's these what's gin also his dad's name Galen Galen also leaving the the you know the main Plot point of the episode for being the you know gaping hole in this star to blow it up Doing that made episode four make more sense. Yeah, just kind of like everyone in the audience Okay, yeah that that massive plot hole that everyone's talked about. Why was it so easy just one bullet Yeah, and that just brought all that together kind of still kind of left the other plot point out where it was like I mean they're in a planet that can shoot planets Why don't they just blow up the moon of yavin and then directly shoot yavin four And the end of episode four kind of things like I don't know if you've seen the how How they should have ended that's um money apparently the reason apparently that is it says the shoot the Death star can't shoot again within 24 hours, but it's never been really talked about But yeah, like that kind of shit for me that that was my favorite kind of plot which is weird because No, I love that This is really nerdy, but even down to the stuff that I remember distinctly from episode four when those guys are communicating in their x-wings And they're like I'm gonna go for an attack run the way they edited those scenes You'd hear half a sentence In the cockpit and the other half on the radio They even did that in this and they would cut them off at those like he'd go You know, you'd hear it nice and clear like it's go leader. We're starting our attack and then Run would be on the radio and another guy's one or out of the cockpit. I love the little touches like that that just Help you ping pong around the action and keep it flying and the sound of it. You know, it'd be great to When I watch it again I'm gonna watch really closely those edit points because I like it would not have been an easy to edit that last act of the film Yeah, like I'm sure that went through so many iterations and obviously like You know, they've reshot quite a large chunk of them at the film and we're we're suspecting We're guessing that it was mostly that third act stuff. Yeah. Well, you can tell by the trailer I think I think a lot more than even the third act was there was change. I mean the ending was definitely changed I mean you had Gino also running around on the on the on the sand with the The data tapes and and obviously in the movie. She doesn't do that. She gets killed on the beach But you know, I mean the whole sequence before that in the satellite um Is different and then um a lot of the stuff where krenix starting talking to vader is different angles and different shots for that So, I mean, maybe I read watch and um actually had a You know english voice back in the original version of it and lost it and I really watched the the first two trailers and Seriously that the first full length trailer that we got 85 percent of it is not in the yeah lines the shots Just so much of it. I really feel like that's a bit of an eye open. I mean Maybe the that film was good as well, but just different. Yeah, I mean the quality of it looks the same Yeah, yeah, the story obviously has changed so much. Yeah Yeah, I didn't when I came out. We said I noticed that there's so a lot I thought was in there, but I didn't realize just how much until I rewatched the trailer now And see, you know, how different the lines are and different bits where like, you know, even kassian and jinn She's up in front where k2so rides in the in the front and they're talking about Heading off somewhere that wasn't in it. Yeah, he never sat up in the cockpit. No, that's right So I think yeah whole um, it's that thing of like, is it a deleted scene or is it just Something that completely erased anyway I think it's to be honest with that much that's in the trailers. It's not in the film. I think it's total plot change Yep, I don't think it's just cut scenes because because you are most in the today We watch trailers a lot more than we use like we're able to watch them as many times we analyze on youtube So it's like you're almost when you're watching a film now. You're just waiting for the shots You're waiting for the lines of dialogue. Yeah, and in this case They weren't happening But I kind of I kind of actually loved that it didn't because I feel like even though I'd seen three trailers None of it was none of the movies ruined for me Which was awesome Which is kind of like what force awakens did but they did it on purpose. This movie kind of did it accidentally Which kind of worked for for me. So kind of works like a um A jut up a town movie where you know, obviously different takes in the trailer and then in the movie It's different joke. Um, I kind of wish that would happen in trailers like shoot extra scenes That's a lot of work 40% of the movie again Well, I don't know just like shoot extra shit like yeah, so many movies these days are ruined by the trailers Like terminator genesis is the biggest cold problem. I know that movie was shit but the The main plot point of that film being john connor being a terminator Was revealed in the trailer, but had they waited that would have been amazing So like I mean in this thing if they had waited to show beta That might have been amazing too, but they left it for not showing him off tarkin Which I thought was great too because I had no idea who was being in that movie He probably wasn't finished in time for the trailer. Well, yeah, he was actually in a trailer Him walking into krennic on the death star. There is a shot of him from behind Which I didn't notice until obviously after I didn't question it and You know, I know a lot of people were saying maybe the emperor was in it, but then it ends up being that guy That's right your hood wings with that too. Yeah, he's just a random character Yeah, so that's what I mean like they could do this shit Like they could shoot extra shit that wouldn't matter But if keep people guessing like you know to get the talking going and They don't actually have to physically show these things happening But they're talking about and they're changing the ideas to get people chatting about different things could turn on his head But yeah, my favorite scene from the whole thing. I know I talked briefly about the The little added extras of the nostalgia, but it's beta going But crazy at the end of that end of that, you know the 10 minute sequence or five minute sequence Or he pulls out a saber against the rebel alliance that are on the They don't they normally they're on of the on the 10 to 5 the 10 to 4 10 to 10 t for thing 10 t for whatever they're not on that yet It's just on the other ship. They're getting across to it But it's you know pitch-plack dark and then you just see this little So you hear his voice like that And then the lightsaber ignite and you just like holy shit. Shit's about to go down We've never seen that with beta kind of before like that was kind of the first time We'd seen this little beautiful bastard Go almost like video game style like it felt like as does that ever been referred to as this beautiful bastard. I don't think well this little helmet's a little beautiful bastard Hashtag beautiful bastard. Let me just like do this Yeah Sorry, but Mahomi Yeah, sorry Yeah, I don't think we'd ever seen that because it was very I felt like it was very video game It's like force force unleashed kind of style where it's lifting up people crushing people's throats stabbing through the chest with other people and then that selfish guy that's Trying to get away for that's like such a long period like over the door over the door. I was like just pass the fucking things along. What are you doing? Yeah, um, I didn't think he was gonna get away with it, but then he did and um, obviously he did because There's an X movie. It's already been filmed. We've seen it. Um, you know from 1977, but It was like it was like a really hyped up version of what we see in a new hope where he does walk in Down the corridor, but all he does is kind of just stand there and take you around like when he lifts up until he's captain Until he's he's gone in by the throat But in this film he just lifts up people with the force which are like That's incredible. Like that she was awesome. It's like it's like something out of force unleashed like yeah, that's what yeah that's what I'm saying. Yeah, like I think um Yeah, I actually think that if you think about it too much It's like as if you're watching that and then watching in your hope you'd be like Why is Darth Vader like moving in slow motion? Yeah compared to that. Yeah, well, he's got a storm trip He doesn't need to but they get away with it because it is such it's a it's a moment for the fans Yeah, yeah, and it Blew me away as a as a fan me too. I was happily excited about that thing because I hadn't seen anything like it That was the icing on the cake that was just Didn't really I mean we knew we were going to see him, but didn't realize it was going to be that cool Yeah, it was amazing. It was short screen time, but it was just yeah perfect I mean, that's one of the things that I was talking about being satisfied when I left like that was something We'd never seen before and it was so cool and it was so well done You said it was video gamey and it was in terms of what he did, but I didn't think The way it moved it all seemed still within Within scope of what he's capable of, you know, it just was pretty cool. Yeah I didn't I didn't love what came after that. I just the layer like layer could have done without without seeing layer I think it's but like I don't know if it is but I feel like it's because I haven't really got females Like it sounds really sexist but females faces down in CGI because like men tend to have a bit more Like stubble and stuff like that and women's faces are quite usually smooth and round shape and stuff like that The plus plastic look of CGI doesn't really fold that well with Females faces. I feel like you can get away with a bit more with men because you can do pores You can do discoloration skin It looked like they just taken some footage of her and the star wars christmas special and just like well They probably had I mean I thought that as a reference. Maybe yeah, it was cool that she was in it I think if the shot maybe the CGI was I mean it was obvious because we know How much time has passed and all that but I think maybe if she was smaller in frame and a bit more Profile or something It just might have been more easier, you know, being having a subtle CGI effect. See I feel I feel I've said it's the opposite Only because there's been so many movies where they do do close-ups of things and I either let's the CGI have more space to Work but close-up shots of the moth tart can seem when he first walked in that was a full screen close-up shot Like this kind of thing and it was flawless. So I think because she was far away I don't know the CGI didn't work for me. It felt she was close though I'm saying I think I think if she was if she was a bit further away a bit smaller and it wasn't a close-up Maybe then you wouldn't say it was like a midge. I was like, yeah Initially see her from behind and it wouldn't be much worse if they just showed her from behind Yeah, and you don't actually actually see her face at all. Yeah, that would have just been like Yeah, we we obviously Don't have princess lair here. We've got we know how bad lair looks. Let's not let I mean Carrie Fisher looks Let's leave that um, let's not go there. That's uh That's a flip. Um, all right. Um, so, I mean, we all loved it I did try and get someone on the podcast to talk about the film in a negative way But it was very hard to find so we we all know we liked it So I'm just double-checking all big yeses from us for this massive. Yes And so if you get a chance definitely go see it in the cinema right now But what I wanted to talk about just lastly was Where does rogue one fit into the star wars franchise for you? Like where would you put him and how do you rank the films currently as they are? I'll go first if you like. Well, yeah, I I would say Oh, I just was thinking about where would I put it in terms of Like how much I liked it. Well, okay, if you're going to rank all the films I mean, yeah, where where where does it fit? Yeah, my favorite my favorite's empire. Yeah, then star wars Then I think this and Jedi are kind of like Maybe Jedi just edges this out. Yeah, and then force awakens then Episode three two and one In that order. Okay. Yeah, I don't think anyone I'm definitely with you on the The three to like I think everyone would say that prequels. I just I'm not I'm not a big fan of return I don't know what it is like as a kid. I love to return return was at the top for me I don't know why maybe the Ewoks. I have no idea Maybe it was the encore like the cool seeing the cool new things and I hadn't seen it as a kid It was different and the epic space battle at the end of it, but now it's just it's a hard sit-through It's almost like like I would put that Just above episode three, right? It's a hard sit-through. It's like it's hard like that the second act for me in that film It's just it's slow Nothing really happens and then you've got the Ewok battle at the end of it in the start You obviously got on Tatawine with Jabba and stuff like that But the middle middle section of that film like right now thinking about I couldn't even tell you what happens I mean, I know he goes to Dagobah and then kind of Where does it go come on summer time? Well, I know that I know that they just cut Hans balls off that movie Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, they do the rebel stuff. I know what happens. Anyway point being that film for me slows down And then yeah, I would say everything you write about episode. I would go Starting off episode one being the worst two three Then I would go return then I would go force away against you know what thinking about it That's why I put force awakens in there when I before rogue one came out. That's where I would sit it now Yeah, and then I would go rogue one Empire then Star Wars because I have to say like you can't have Star Wars without like you kind of empire without Star Wars and yeah, but and But yeah, if I'm gonna pick one to watch I'm gonna pick empire Yeah, watch even though you're skipping like but why but nothing like I get it I can understand why you like it like it's got a whole a whole lot of Dramatic tones and you'll learn that Luke's Darth Vader's kid or whatever But like what else is in the in the movie that you really like I know like the hot scene. Yeah, what else? I think it's got I think Han Solo's got his best moments in that There's a lot of Darth Vader and it compared to episode four and and as a sequel It was not just churning out the same shit. It was visually so different to episode four we got Totally different planets to work with new vehicles new music brand new music that was just taken it to everything went to a whole new level on it And I think it just the the quality of everything the visual effects We had new characters like Yoda come in that are just amazing characters. Yeah a lot more screen time for Darth Vader And the fact that it's sort of ends on a downer. I think is kind of like a really good I really liked that. Do we have anything like I mean I want to know this right now, but Did the trailers originally reveal that Yoda was the Jedi like the powerful Jedi or did that sequence kind of just like come off as a You know a muppet being on the in the movie. Like, you know what I mean? Like I couldn't remember He's sort of in the cinema. Yeah, but I don't but trailers back then Like you know, that's a great sequence. Like that's an awesome sequence I would have had no idea that Yoda was a Jedi and finding out that he's a Jedi in the movie It's just like this ultimate rebel. I think that was a reveal for me when I watched it I don't remember it seen it in a trailer. I just remember Being surprised at that moment. You know, yeah, well, that was a genius idea. And then obviously Turning Darth Vader into Luke's father was flawless But I don't think he had that in episode. I don't think he had that by episode four I don't think he knew that idea. I don't know. That's my feeling But I do I do think you got to kind of let these things settle for like when you first see the film You're always very excited about it. You just got to kind of sit back and see how it ages as well It's true because I think force awakens things irritate me more the more I watch it So it probably is the order for that for me Force awakens is probably down a bit like rogue one would be probably sitting third like you said But then force awakens is probably almost like equal with jedi perhaps Because they both have their merits and they both have a few things that I would change about them But so we've all put at top three Yeah See what happens and you a year from now when episode eight comes out Like whether it will go further down or whether it'll stay where it is or I agree with you on that point though because I'm ashamed to say this, but I fucking loved episode one when that came out I saw it nine times in the cinema nine times Yeah, sorry Ferris Biela Yeah, I saw it nine times in the cinema. I loved it Like I thought it was the best one of all of them and but then as I Grew up like as you know because when that movie came out as 99 So I would have been 13. I think at the time so it's made for my demographic But as I grew up I kind of like worked out what the hell's going on with his trade trade negotiations like The fuck is Jar Jar? I hate boss nas like I hate anything going on just having an existential crisis All right, it's just everything so I had these realizations It's the same with Batman and Robin like I love that maybe when I saw it as a kid But when I saw it for the second time older, you know a little bit older I was like this is horrible. This is the worst film of all time But I so I agree with you know as a further go as it as it goes on as you age Like it maybe the film won't I'm just concerned about the cg because it might seem cutting edge now the Tarkin Layer thing, but you know that layer doesn't feel cutting edge Tarkin. Yeah, so yeah And I'm only saying it's the first shot of Tarkin Tarkin when he when he arrives in the Death Star and he's Show his face for the first time. It's that shot that is flawless every other sequence after that doesn't look like it Has had as much money It's almost like they were trying to sell it first and then just like leave the money as it goes like Lead down the rabbit. So I'm concerned how that's going to look in 30 years time George Lucas We might have to chuck a George Lucas and fix that up when it's well, they probably will as the technology moves along Have they This offbeat question fixing up something when they release. It's the this is toy store I'm going to bring up when they release toy story Did they fix that up because I feel like that movie looks a much better than it did when I originally saw it You probably just never saw it. You know Well, I don't know. Anyway, that's a really But I don't think they're doing that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so Thank you. It's a lifelong ambition. I needed to find out. Yeah, so pretty high. We're ranking almost number three. Is that right? Yeah, yeah at the moment. That's pretty incredible. Yeah. It's pretty high recommendation Yeah, and I know I actually I know that there's a lot of people out there that aren't such fans Especially devout Star Wars fans that don't like that. It departs so much from Yeah, I read a um, I think you're the on that you're the you're either along for the ride or you're not I read a review from gizmodo Man to something she didn't like it because there was so much CGI used in the movie I think that she doesn't understand that practical effects were actually used in the movie And maybe she's getting lost in the CGI that was used that the practical effects actually took her by surprise and Maybe thinks that's all CGI because that one of the things that she said was the Mon Calamari people They're not Mon Calamari. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. They are Mon Calamari people with CGI, but they're not they're a practical effect makeup But she said, you know You know singled them out and said these CGI characters like the Mon Calamari. I'm like, they're not they're practical So maybe I'm thinking like a lot of people are seeing they're prosthetics Yeah, yeah, so I'm thinking like a lot of people are seeing these movies for They think because they're used to seeing so much CGI Used to seeing all these different things and then they actually are using practical effects That they're getting confused in their mind like their eyes are seeing something else, but there's actually not I don't know. That's the interesting Yeah, but yeah, I think I think the downfalls of the movie for me were I would have loved a little bit more on the soundtrack The opening credits I would have loved to crawl and I hated that title title The word art title card. That was horrible. I never want to see that again But I will actually that's that's more likely the thing they'll revisit in 30 years and change I really hope the I look I'm happy to make a fan edit and the only thing what edit is that title card Just give it a little bit of gloss. What are you? What's your what's your best and best and worst about the movie? um, yeah, overall loved it, uh You know best part was I mean just the third actor k2so we didn't talk about him total standout loved it I think they nailed it with the absolutely. That's two droids They've done big call to try and top, you know or equal bb8 and c3p on r2d2 But just quickly. Yeah, he was a standout for me really liked Cassian's character as well and the whole third act invader just coming in kicking ass at the end Total win the downsides really yeah lack of crawl I mean not that big of a deal and and the soundtrack was just a bit off for me But yeah, overall loved it. Yeah, great. What about you ben? I think I think as as morbid as this sounds I think the death scenes like the heroic death scenes in this movie are some of the best I've seen like I was they cropped they crept up on me like yeah, how much you've come to care for the characters and they all get They all get an awesome death scene. Yeah So I think apart from just the awesome just the action in that third act especially and then probably the thing that I I think the layer thing for me Just it leaves it on a bit of a note like it left me feeling a bit like uh, that was one step too far Yeah, um, and yeah, just just I think some of the music cues just a bit Some some tunes there that we actually linger with you after the left of cinema Cool would have been good too because I'm such a Guccino fan and it's just just a little bit of a dissonant name I've been saying his name wrong my whole life. I thought it was Giancino Well, it's wrong until someone says I'm right until he calls us up and tells us this is how you say that's what we're doing All right. Let's just go says he scores says he's saying, you know, it's not really score says you, right? That's not it's Lucas though, right? We're getting that right. That's all that matters. All right. We'll leave it there Thank you so much for checking us out if you want to see any more of so is any good You can hit the subscribe button You can comment below and we've heard from youtube if you like the video It helps us out and maybe gives us a little bit of money, but we don't care Do what you like Um, and until next time may the force be with you