 Guys welcome to this periscope. I'm just gonna flip them How's it going? So for those who are Watching this on replay just want to say hi. I think what I'm gonna end up doing with a lot of these posts Is putting them on our youtube channel called I love the Book of Mormon so people can watch back later So if you're watching this on youtube, how's it going? We're gonna talk just about some of the misconceptions that the Book of Mormon clarifies frequently when I am talking with people Online about the Book of Mormon. The first question they'll ask me is we have the Bible Why do we need the Book of Mormon? and it's a really interesting thing for someone who I grew up a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Mormon or Latter-day Saint and for someone who did not grow up a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and then Just had the Bible and then later was able to see the Book of Mormon I think for them it's a lot clearer The differences and the benefits and the blessings of the Book of Mormon, but Before I get into that hi everyone who's watching thank you for joining feel free to Tell me where you're from I'm a convert Awesome, so you'll understand this a lot better than I will My parents were converts as well So I get the question a lot Boston awesome. I grew up in Hingham, Massachusetts So I know Boston very well member of the Hingham stake Um Why do you need the bible of madrid awesome? Hello madrid colorado? Awesome feel free to share this with your friends too. You can share it So more people can jump on because we're gonna have a really good discussion and I want this to be a discussion I'm gonna kind of lead the discussion in at some points, but georgetown, massachusetts awesome Georgetown mass, I don't I don't think I knew there's a georgetown massachusetts But for those of you who are watching this on youtube, you won't be able to see these comments But people are commenting st. Louis awesome. Thanks for joining. They're telling me where they're from Um, you list, texas great texas. Hopefully the weather's okay there. I know things have been Um, kind of crazy out there Um, and if you're wondering, yes, I am in a closet Just because it's the quietest place right now But I'm going to be talking about a book called the infinite atonement By tad callister and in this book he addresses this question people will say we have the bible We don't need like what need do we have For the book of mormon and one of the things he talks about this book Obvious is about the atonement of jesus christ. Yeah, feel free to tap some hearts if you want. That's great Just so I know that you're awake Appreciate those You got the cool little 2016. Love that book. Yeah Actually just starting reading it, but I've really enjoyed it so far um One of the doctrines, obviously he's emphasizing the atonement of jesus christ, which we feel the book of mormon Provides a lot of clarity on and I'll talk about that in a future video um But he talks about the doctrine of the fall and he said it's one of the most Misunderstood doctrines in christianity and he says It seems paradoxical that the very doctrine that is essential to our salvation Is also one of the least understood doctrines in the christian world. So he talks about all this misunderstanding. So um Maybe for those of you who said you were converts Maybe tap the screen or let comment. Let me know what misconceptions you perhaps believed But those were clarified with the book of mormon. That would be interesting for me to know um He goes on saying the misunderstandings confusion and doctrinal heresies associated with this foundational doctrine Speaking of the atonement and its precursor the fall our rampant So he goes on to explain Some of these misconceptions Taught by many in the christian world today now I served my mission in panama and I remember my first week hearing all these really strange We were um, it's predominantly caught catholic and panama and a lot of the people who had questions. Um, or You know when they'd give answers to questions we had it reflected a lack of understanding They believed in some things that I I just had never heard before Let me just read this list and then we'll probably take um We're going to be reading a lot from This is my second Nephi chapter two. I think I'm at So second Nephi chapter two in the book of mormon Is such an amazing um Learning tool misconception true love of christ awesome If you want to elaborate on that are you I know that some from some people they've talked about um You know in their religion before they thought god was a god of Anger, but they really learned about god's love. I converted from catholic awesome um So let me read this first first misconception Um, and this is one I heard I am an ex jehovah's witness awesome Um Yeah, we also met with a lot of jehovah's witnesses and I'll tell you they Knew the bible very well like as it related to their understanding. They had they studied it very very well First misconception of the fall adam and eve would have had children in the garden of edin if they had been allowed to remain And we know that's not true Um They were in a state of innocence and would have remained we'll read about that. I'm gonna read the verse But that's the first misconception number two adam and eve were not in a state of innocence in the garden of edin But rather we're experiencing unparalleled joy Another misconception, okay Um, and if you have any comments you'd like to maybe Bring something else up. I'd love to kind of dialogue with you guys and kind of talk back and forth So please do that third misconception the fall was not part of god's master plan But rather a tragic step backwards. It was a stumbling block not a stepping stone in man's eternal journey I like that eaves and blame for the fall. Awesome. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of blame And there's so many different stories and um Um, you know, I remember hearing people on my mission in panama saying, oh man, if they just hadn't partaken of that fruit We'd be in peace we'd be living in Um bliss Um, and another thing is adam and eve are really looked down on But we review adam as a prophet and we know that he was michael Before the earth was created and he helped create the earth Um And eve is just a glorious woman who we admire and love so much But I know from other people I've kind of had experiences, but they don't feel that same way Um, another misconception Who was blamed? Well, I think Um Eve was From perspectives I've heard eve was given a lot of blame for everything about that happened I just love what you're doing right now. Thank you for that. Awesome. Yeah, thanks for tuning in Again, if we go on youtube and look up. I love the book of Mormon. There's a youtube channel or people all over the world are sharing Verses from the book of Mormon A lot of them are kind of on their own camera, but The fourth one if adam had not fallen all of adam's children would have been born in a state of bliss to live happily ever after in Edenic conditions Okay, so there's first four talk about adam and eve would have had children would have been in a state of joy Um, the fall wasn't part of god's master plan Um, and we would live happily ever after now I'm just gonna turn to one verse in the book of Mormon and again guys, please comment. I love your comments. I'll read them all Um, feel free to tap the screen show some love Um, feel free to share this tweet with other people because they can join on I'll probably be on for another 15 minutes Um, just talking about stuff and then later when this is over. I'll post this video on youtube So people who are searching for questions about the fall or the doctrine of the fall Hopefully people who are trying to understand more of Of what this doctrine is. They'll find this video and maybe be pointed to the infinite atonement this book or Even the book of Mormon But lihi in the book of Mormon he shares a verse um in chapter two And he says and now behold if adam had not transgressed He would not have fallen But he would have remained in the garden of Eden and all things were which were created must have remained in the same state In which they were after they were created and they must have remained forever and had no end I used to be confused about the trinity before I converted and the gospel helped to make sense. Awesome Yeah, that's again I have a lot of dialogue with people who aren't members of the church because I try to kind of spread Nausea about the book of Mormon and generally the comments I get are people who don't like it But one of the things they'll frequently have a hard time with is their understanding of the trinity Where they believe kind of God's one being um, but we believe that God the father is A being of flesh and bone perfected body and we believe the same of jesus christ That he's a separate individual with a perfect body of flesh and bone And that the holy spirit is a third being They are one in purpose And it's interesting in the intercessory of prayer when jesus is praying to god saying I want my disciples to be one like us I think that's one of the easiest ways to understand it The disciples and apostles they all their own bodies. I'm not thinking that christ was saying we want them all to be one body So to me that's a clue that they aren't one body. Anyway, which makes more sense for me at least and i'm not a member Yeah, well great. Thanks for the comment. Yeah, it makes I mean it it seems to make more sense with christ baptism Where the voice of god was in heaven and the spirit came down as a dove and jesus was in the water And then steven when he was stoned If you if he looked up in the heaven, he saw god and jesus at his right hand. So there's you know, there's lots of Parts in the bible where it shows them in different places and Um, but again the doctrine of the trinity or of god's true nature That's one of the doctrines that was lost over time and that's why it was important for joseph smith Who saw an envision he saw god the father and jesus christ. That's kind of that was the purpose of that vision to help clarify that um Doctrine, okay, let me just continue reading really quick this one verse it says and they would have had no children Wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence having no joy for the new no misery doing no good for the new no sin So lehi was saying a little earlier in this chapter. He says that you can't have sin without Said that there's no law there's no sin if there's no sin there's no righteousness if there's no righteousness There's no happiness and Adam and Eve were in The garden of Eden where there's no law I mean they The law they were eventually given was don't partake of the fruit um Anyway, it's just a very interesting verse that lehi Shares, let me go into misconception. This is number five Because of the fall all infants are tainted with original sin Again, that's this is a misconception that many people in the christian world believe and if you want more clarification on that There's a chapter in the book of Mormon. It's moroni chapter eight now moroni Some people might not like what he says because he goes down pretty hard and he learns of a group of people in his land that Were taught the true principles that you know children don't have original sin Do not need baptism and he found out from his son that they were still baptizing him baptizing them So mormon the father learns from moroni that they're baptizing children and he basically says look little children Baptism is for repentance is for those who are want to make a covenant with god and want to change The little children need no repentance and other baptism build baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling of their commandments unto the remission of sins But little children are alive in christ even from the foundation of the world um And he's saying how many you know how many little children died with a baptism? Are you assuming that they're going to go to a hell because they didn't receive baptism? He's like no, that's not god's a god of mercy. Does not make sense um, but he goes on to say um Little children cannot repent. So it's awful wickedness to deny them the mercies of god just Saying that they needed baptism Um, but he's saying that all children are alive in christ um So that's one of these misconceptions of the fall is that there's this original sin But christ redeemed us from the effects of the fall. We'll talk about that a little more, but another This is misconception number six six k Grace alone can save us regardless of any works on our part Now this is one of the biggest uh This is a very misunderstood doctrine. I think even in the Mormon church about Salvation and what you need to be saved. Um at all of the religious world. It's a big Debated point and I think it's very misunderstood Now in this book They want us to read from 2nd Nephi 25 23 to talk about Um Grace and so i'm going to read this but i'm going to have some interesting commentary on it So this is Nephi talking about grace. He says this is the end Um For for this end was the law given Wherefore the law has been become dead unto us and we are made alive in christ because of our faith Yet we keep the law because of the commandments. That's the wrong verse. Sorry Okay For we labor diligently to write to persuade our children and also our brethren to believe in christ and to be reconciled to god For we know that is by grace that we are saved after all we can do Okay, again any comments questions you want to invite people you can do that by I think there's a way to invite people and retweet this um periscope to people As members of the church of jesus christ of ladder to sands or mormons or ladder to sands We believe in a principle of salvation and exaltation Okay salvation for us is when we are saved from the effects of the fall Now the fall is when adam and eve adam and eve partake of the fruit. They were cast out of god's presence And their bodies were changed. So So they there's a I get you called the spiritual death meaning they were removed from god's presence, but then They were prone to the if not prone. They were um How do I say this? They were I can't i'm losing it death was then death ended the world and so did their They were no longer innocent. They could choose for themselves. Okay We believe that through jesus christ That separation from god or death. We believe that we will Everyone's gonna be restored back into heaven. Well, not to heaven back into god's presence momentarily um, so We'll all be resurrected Best talk about grace his grace is sufficient. It's a bw talk, but But i've read little hawks. Yeah, I've actually read that one and I think it's great and I wish everyone could Read it, but I still think even in that talk um They're still like it's still hard because There's this salvation where christ saves us from death through the resurrection and also from sin Or that separation from god Where he brings us back into his presence and he's like, you know what? I'll bring you back into his presence and I'll bring you Back from death and so we're before god and it says that in the book of mormon lots of times There's lots of verses where it says the atonement of christ restores us to god's presence now Mormons believe in a principle called exaltation where we believe that Our ultimate goal is to be with god, but also to become like him Now exaltation is where our works come in to a point Um, a lot of people think, you know, if I just believe in christ That's the only principle I need just to believe in him um Now for salvation christ saves us and there's nothing we can do like I can't resurrect myself I can't bring myself back into god's presence. Jesus christ redemption did that Okay So there's no works that I've done to do that now once I'm back in god's presence I'm going to be judged and I'll be judged on my works um And based on my works god will determine where I'm going to be living for eternity and we believe in a judgment We believe joseph smith received a revelation about the afterlife There's different degrees of glory based on the way you lived your life And that's something kind of really foreign to other christians and they don't necessarily agree with They believe christ saves but so do I Christ saves me from sin and death from the effects of the fall and brings me back into god's presence I don't believe I will ever be equal to god. I worship only him now Sheila I understand that completely and I'm grateful for you saying that I just want to pull out a different a few scriptures one of them, uh, I just want to go to matthew because The way I've always looked at this Any father if we truly believe that god is our father any father when you have a child You you want to teach him everything you can like you you love them with all your heart You want them to achieve everything that they can in life and you want them to have everything you have all the Blessings and happiness and good times that you've ever had you want them to have that But you also you want them to be better than you if it's possible like Let's say you're in high school and you got a 3.7 You wouldn't want your kid to like do worse than you you bought them to you do better and you'd help them to do better There's a scripture in matthew five Again, she'll this is kind of just to talk about that point because Again, this is one of the doctrines that we believe is misunderstood and uh That the book of Mormon and additional scripture and revelation and prophets that are on the earth again today can clarify Matthew 548 Jesus says Be ye therefore perfect Even as your father riches in heaven is perfect We don't take that as Kind of a nice thought we take that as like a commandment from christ like I want you to be perfect like your father in heaven is perfect and there's others references were You know it talks about being as the gods um We believe that we have as children of god god we have this divine destiny and that's And for some that might seem like Um, yeah join areas with christ is another scripture in the bible People think that somehow we're taking something away from god if you want to be like him or it makes him any less Of importance to us, but I don't see that From my perspective, but I just wanted to read Um There's another scripture. This is actually found in the book of Mormon It's maroni chapter 10 And I really love what it says. Basically, it's says come unto god and be perfected in him Okay At the end of the day when all of the dust settles we're still going to have imperfections And we're not going to be able to do everything right, but that's where the atonement of christ comes in again Where it can perfect us um And it says if the by the grace of god are perfect in christ You can in no wise deny the power of god To believe that god's grace is sufficient for you that by his grace he may be perfect in christ So we believe in the principle of grace Enabling us to do that we could something we couldn't do by ourselves Um, and again that first in matthew 548 where christ says be therefore perfect Even as your father in heaven, which is in which is perfect and then also You know be I think it's Corinthians where talks about being joint areas with christ or maybe it's romans And it says we're all children of him and join as I can't remember but Thank you for bringing that up and thank you shila for Your comment and it kind of explaining what you believe Um, yeah, romans. I think it's chapter eight now the last there's two more, uh Misconceptions of the fall number six We talked about was grace And they know the thought that grace is the only thing we need now from a mormon perspective lbs perspective Grace is all we need to be saved like christ is all we need but again, we believe in this principle of exaltation Where we're judged according to our works and then again the atonement of christ can enable us to be more than we could be by ourselves Misconception number seven that the physical resurrection of the saver was merely symbolic We will be resurrected as spirits without the limitations of our physical body Um, and we believe that we will be restored to a perfect body in a perfect frame Every hair of our head that has been lost will be Um Getting back to us again. This is in alma 40 23. Let me read it real quick The soul shall be restored to the body And the body to the soul in every limb and joint shall be restored to its body Yeah, even a hair of the head shall not be lost But all things shall be restored to their proper and perfect frame So that's what we believe Regarding that and then number eight the atonement Does not have the power to transform us into gods. In fact, such a thought is blasphemous So again, that's a misconception that most of the christian world has Again, this is according to our beliefs. And so we've seen some on here who've kind of said yeah I mean, I think I only worship god and I don't think we can become like him And that's I mean a lot of people believe that and again, we don't see it as something of Us becoming people that can be worshiped. It's more of God is our father. We have a divine origin He loves us and he wants us to be happy and to be with him And he's given jesus christ to the world to save us from our sins and from death But also to enable us to do things which we couldn't do on our own Want to be christlike Yep, that's something that the gospel of jesus christ Um, definitely teaches in 3rd and e5 27 verse 27 it says, um This is christ speaking when he came to the american continent. He says What manner of men ought you to be? Barely assay into you even as I am so again, he gives the injunction, you know be as I am So those are the eight misconceptions about the fall That The book of Mormon helps clarify and again So just to kind of wrap things up a lot of people will comment with me to me and say we have the bible We don't need additional scripture. Why do they need the book of Mormon? And for even some members of the church of jesus christ have lettered his hands Who've been members their whole life and have had access to the bible in the book of Mormon? Sometimes it's hard to understand Wait, what what are we truly getting from the book of Mormon? That's not in the bible because we kind of see them as one group of scripture So sometimes it's good to analyze what we actually learn from the book of Mormon. That's not in the bible Anyway, there's any comments on here any other thoughts. I'd love to talk about something else um Do you guys have any maybe other things you've learned from the book of Mormon that you think are important? I can address those think in my next periscope. I'm going to talk a little bit about uh specifically at the atonement and what The book of Mormon teaches about the atonement of jesus christ because there's some Truth that the world in general doesn't know about when you say atonement That might that word might be a little foreign to some people, but we believe that's the Um death of christ um His sacrifice on the cross is death and then his resurrection But also we believe you know a lot of people in the christian world believe you took upon The world the sins of the world, but we believe he also took upon The sorrows and sadness and kind of not just the physical things that the world suffers with but I think i'm going to wrap it up. I appreciate those of you who've been on this periscope Tap if there's anybody left. I think there's a few people Feel free to tap the screen I think that it's important to remember that god loves all his children all over the world Yeah, exactly. That's and uh, yeah, thanks for the love. Thanks for the taps on the screen It's fun to see the 2016 popping up um Yeah, there's I wish I had the verse right in front of me. I don't know if it's 24 15 or 15 24 The I think it's 15 24 when nifa has a similar thought. He's like, you know what there's so much um I should know this It's in second nifa. Is it second nifa? Is it second nifa 15 24? I'm not sure it basically he says Oh second nifa 29. Yeah, there's There's also another one. It's a it's a different reference. I think um But says, you know, I don't understand everything but one thing I do know is that god Loved his children And everything that is done by the prophets and leaders of the church It's to reflect that love of god that he has for His people and I'm gonna wrap this up. Thanks for hanging on this periscope um Again, if you have other questions, you can feel free to contact me. You can email me Um at info at I love the book of Mormon.org you can email me there or you can send me a direct message on twitter The handles at book Mormon today And yeah, Sheila Bye for now some interesting points I will think about yeah, Sheila. Thank you so much for hanging out with us and for your comments Bless you. Thank you for this Al all awesome. Yeah, thank you as well and I've been I I did it more of these in the past. I kind of took a couple months off but I'll be doing these kind of more often just um One to kind of talk with you guys and it's a lot easier when you're kind of just watching something on screen to Kind of open up and kind of see what they're thinking um, but also I'm going to be posting this video on YouTube so people who maybe have questions about the fall of Jesus Christ Excuse me the fall of adam and some of those misconceptions. Hopefully they'll be landing on this video um Leanne yeah, thank you for joining. Um, it's good having you on here And we will look forward to talking to you guys later. I'm gonna sign off for now. Thank you. Happy new year