 But find two minutes in there for Vietnam. What they're saying about it? All right, I'll tell you what I would say about it. I would say that we have a commitment to Vietnamese freedom. We could pull out of there. The Dominoes would fall, and that part of the world would build the communists. We could send our Marines in there. We could get tied down in the Third World War or another Korean action. The other alternative is to advise them and hope that they stand up and fight. Now, we think that by training them and advising them, that by training them in a period of three years, we can have them trained. And we've removed some there who were guarding the establishment so they didn't need to be guarded anymore. Well, absolutely no need. We'd put in 10,000 more if they could be useful and if they needed them for the training. But this thousand we didn't need because they were guarding whatever they're guarding. And that's why we pulled them out. Now, we estimate that it was the 15,000 we got left at all the rest of this year. And a large part of next year that we just trained anybody in that period of time. And for that reason, we said that we can reduce that number after they've trained. Now, this nation has made no commitment to go in there to fight as yet. We're in there to train them and advise them. And that's what we've done. Nobody really understands what it is out there. They don't know. And they're getting the way they're confused. They're asking questions. They're saying, why don't we do more? Well, I think this, you can have more war or you can have more people. But we don't want more of either. And it's their war. It's their man. We're willing to train them. And we have found that over a period of time that we kept the Communists from spreading. We did it in Greece, Turkey, with a criminal doctrine by sending them in. We did it in Western Europe by nature. We've done it there by advice. We have done it by going out and dropping bombs. We have done it by going out and sending men to fight. And we have no such commitment there. But we do have a commitment to help these defend themselves. And we're there for training. That's what we've done. They say the war is not going good. Well, there are days when we win. There are days when we lose. Our purpose is to train these people. And our training is going good. And we're trying to train them. I don't know if I've said anything that I shouldn't say or look good. But that's where you said it to me. And it appealed to me when I say, why in the hell I always thought it was foolish for you to make any statements about withdrawing. I thought it was bad psychologically. But you and the president thought otherwise. And I just said, solid. Now you've made them. And I asked you the explanation. You give me a good explanation. And not a damn good use of having 1,000 people sitting around guarding something that they don't need to guard. No question about that, president. The problem is... All right, then the question, the next question comes, is how in the hell does McNamara think when he's losing the war that he can pull a man out of it? Well, he's McNamara's not fighting war. He's training them about a war. When he gets through high school, they will have graduated high school and have 12 grades behind them next year. And he hasn't taken on any agreement to keep them for the rest of their life. He's just taken, he's made a commitment to train them to fight. And if he trains them to fight and they won't fight, he can't do anything about it. Then he's got to choose whether he wants to fight or let them have it. This is a problem, exactly. And what I fear is that we're right at that point.