 Yes, Mr. Speaker, they told me that you and Carl wanted to talk to him. Yeah, we got the Wilbur Mills here, the Wilbur Cohen. Well, uh, he's the Wilbur, he wanted to talk with the Wilbur Mills. All right. Wait a bit, Mr. Butler. How are you feeling? Fine. Good to hear from you. We, uh, wound up, and I got instructions. We'll introduce the bill at noon tomorrow and report it at 12.15. Be very brief, be doing so. Uh, I wanted to let Wilbur Cohen, if you would, take a minute and give you his reaction to it. I, I think we've got you something that we won't only run on in 66, but we'll run on from here after. Wonderful. Thanks, Wilbur. Now, here's Wilbur Cohen. When are you going to take it up? We, uh, I've got to go to the rules committee next week. You, you always get your rules pretty quick, don't you? Yeah, that's right. Uh, we could have it on late next week, probably. Thank you. It's not early the following week. Come on, sir, let's get it for Easter. Oh, what they do is, oh, not about that. It's what they do, what they do. And you've got two or three little measures that you might not take too long on, uh, that give us trouble. They make a poll every Easter. They've been doing it 30 years, you know it. And what has accomplished, Congress accomplished up to then? And then the rest of the year, they use that record to write editorials about. So anything that we can grind through before Easter will be twice as important as after Easter. So much obliged, much obliged to you. Things I hope we can do, uh, George Paul and Russ, who are very anxious about this, uh, constitutional call to agreement. Confidence. That is the next. And then immediately following that is this, uh, correction of the, uh, tariff, uh, schedule and reclassification for purposes of this presidential round of negotiations. Sir, do you have a little on, uh, the, uh, the Canadian auto thing? Yes, that bill has not been forwarded to us yet. It hasn't been, uh, up to just today. All right. Well, that would come immediately following that. That's good. That's those little ones. Anything that we can do, and I sure do congratulate you on getting this now because they'll work on the rest of the year and this will be helpful and look like good. Let me talk to Wilbur. All right. I congratulate you and thank you. Let me ask you one more thing. Yeah. Did Jack, well, I didn't talk to you the other day about this damn thing that I asked him to talk to you about. Let him burst the hell out of me. Yeah, well, yeah. Yes, yeah. That's good. Well, I'll, I'll forgive that. No, no, that's okay. All right. I think it's a great bill, Mr. President. Is that right? Yes, sir. I think you've got not only everything that you wanted, but we've got a lot more than on this thing. It's a real comprehensive bill. What, uh, how much does it cost my budget over what we estimate? Well, I think it, uh, it would be around, I'd say, 450 million more, uh, than what you estimated for the net cost of this supplementary program. Now what do they do under that? How's that handled? Explain that to me. Again, over and above the King Anderson, this supplementary you stole from Burns. Yes. Well, uh, generally speaking, it's physician services. Physicians. Yes. In the arms. All right. Now my doctor, did I go out and eat pump from the stomach? I'd see if I got any ulcers. That physician. That's right. All right. Any, any medical services that, or MD services. Any MD services. All right. Now, how do we know what does he charge what he wants to? No, uh, he can't quite charge what he wants to be, because, uh, this has been put in a separate, uh, separate fund. Yeah. And, uh, what the secretary of HEW would have to do is make some kind of agreement with, uh, somebody like Blue Shield. Yeah. Let's say. And it would be their responsibility under the way the chairman has provided the bill that they would regulate the fees in effect of the doctor. No. Uh, because, uh, what he tried to do is to be sure that the government wasn't regulating the fees directly. That's right. They shouldn't deal with the individual doctor. No. And, uh, the bill provides that the doctor could only charge the reasonable charges, but this intermediary, the Blue Shield, would have to do all the policing so that the government wouldn't have its long hand. All right. And, uh, it would be good for you, the patients, on, on doctors. It says that, uh, you can, uh, have doctor's bills paid up to what extent, or how much, or, uh, any limit? The individual patient has to pay the first $50. All right. deductible. Uh-huh. And then he's got to pay 20%. Of everything after that. Everything after that. So, if you went to the doctor and you had a thousand-dollar bill, you'd pay the first $50. Uh-huh. And for the other $950, you'd have to pay 20% of that. But that keeps your hypochondriacs out. It keeps the hypochondriacs out at the same time. For most of the people, uh, it would provide, uh, overwhelming proportion of their, uh, their physician's cost. Yes, sir. And it's on something that nearly everybody could endure. They could borrow that much, or other folks could get them that much to pay their part. Even if it didn't have any money. Now, what does it get you on hospital and nurses home under the King Anderson? You get the, uh, first 60 days of your hospital care with a $40 deduct. Finally compromised on $40. That's good. And, uh, then in addition, it has the three other benefits that were in your bill, namely the home health services, uh, the outpatient diagnostic. And we fixed that amendment up the way, uh, you remember the, remember the way, uh, the male brothers would talk to you and be about. And then the only one change was for the, uh, home health services. That has to be after you get out of the hospital. That's good. All right. Now, uh, what are the insurance companies? Do they still raise mail? Well, yes. I think they're going to go over to the Senate and raise, uh, hell, uh, on the, uh, thing. Cause quite, uh, quite frankly, uh, there's no longer any room for the private insurance companies to sell insurance policies for people over 65 when you take the combination of hospital care and the, uh, physician service. Yeah. Okay. Now, I think that's wonderful. Now, remember this, nine out of 10 things that I get in trouble on is because they lay around. And tell the speaker and Wilbert to please get a room just the moment they can. They want to get, they want to bring it up next week, Mr. West. Yeah, but you just tell them not to let they lay around. Do that. They won't do, but they might not. Then that gets the doctors organized. Then they get the others organized. And I damn near kill my education bill letting it lay around. Yeah. It stinks. It's just like a dead cat on the door when a committee reports that you better either bury that cat or get it some life in it. The speaker is saying to me, he says he's way ahead of you, Mr. President. He's going to get that on the House calendar next week and get it going so the, the doctors can. Well, congratulations to you. Now, let me talk to Carl if he's there. All right. Thank you. Yes, sir. How's the little John? All right. I think they've told you the whole story. Well, that's mighty good, you. I had a wonderful story. Now, get them, Carl, get them to, to make your, your talk to John, your talk to Owen Smith and make him not let this stuff lay around until they can generate opposition to us. All right. Yes, sir. Just a minute. We'll, we'll start. We'll start in five minutes. Mr. President, don't you worry one minute about these doctors and insurance companies organizing against this bill. Yeah. Now, we have written the insurance people. I must admit completely out of the fear of people over 65. But the AMA is going in all directions. I have even had them just in confidence come to me at the last minute telling me they would accept the payroll tax and we'd use it to finance our program with the state administering it. Well, you couldn't have that. But they've come a long, long way and they're going in all directions. Now, the insurance people are going to oppose it. Just no doubt about that. They were going to oppose HR1. They were going to oppose anything we did. But they've got no more to oppose with respect to what we've got in this bill than they would have thought for anyway without what we've done. The only thing I don't, the only thing I'm concerned about and I'm very frank about it is that there's about $450 million in this bill out of the gentle funds of the Treasury for which you haven't budgeted to your situation. Yeah, but I'll take care of that. I'll do that. You see what I've done? Well, this will not hold for the rest of the year, but the first eight months by constant cabinet pressure, by withholding and just threatening and ultimatum and being meaner than you or Harry Bird, I am under this year, the first eight months, a billion, 800 million under what you appropriated and what I said I'd spend. Now, I think that I'll at least get out of where I'll be, 400, 500 million under that. That's number one. Number two, my deficit in the budget I sent you, January, is a billion dollars under my deficit last year. And I've reduced the deficit, $1 billion. Now, I think that we can, they want to ask me about, they said, you want to put in 400, 500 million. What did I say about it? I said, will you tell them we had no judge in Texas one time? We called him Al Cowley. Oh, Al Cowley, Robert. And he said, when they talked to him one time, I remember a youth constitution, he said, well, what's the constitution between friends? And I say, tell Wilbur that 400 million is not going to separate us friends when it's for health, when it's for sickness, there's a greater demand and I know it. And for this bill and all the other programs put together, I know that it'll last longer. Mr. President, if you would talk to Mr. Ackley and also to Mr. Gordon, they came to see me, and I too was concerned about the impact of the tax beginning. We are worried about that because it takes so much time. I wouldn't minimize the concern that they had initially. They revised our rates more in keeping with their views, and I think they're completely satisfied. What they wanted me to do, most of the spenders said that I was not putting enough money in the economy. And I'd have to put 3-4 billion in to accelerate public works and other things, and I cut down. Now they come along and they say, well, you're taking a lot more out here now, and you're not pumping anything back, you're going to get in trouble. And I said, would you all go see me or yourself and talk to them and find some agreement? Now I'm willing to go on anything that you all go on. We've agreed and we've changed the bill. That's good. They're lying to me. I'll get out of statement and congratulate the committee and congratulate you. And for God's sake, don't let the dead cats stand on your porch. Mr. Rabin used to say they stunk, and they stunk, and they stunk. When you get on out of that committee, you call that son of a bitch up before they can get their letters written. You know that's the way I practice. I sure do. I know where you learned it. Let me talk to Speaker now. All right, here's the speaker. Thank you, sir. Well, that's mighty good. Now don't you let that dead cat hang around, make them give you a rule, because Mr. Rabin used to say and dead cat got out of the committee, reported, started stinking every day. And let's get it passed before they get the letters in. And we'll have a damn good record, because that sounds like a better bill, John, than we sent you. Doesn't it to you? It does to me, yeah. I told them $450 million. You know, my philosophy and yours, you and I never argued about $450 million for people over 65, did we? No. I weigh humanity's worth more. Okay, my friend. All right, this friend. John.