 Okay, you were live, Alfonso, if you'd like to start. Okay. Welcome, everyone. We're so excited to be here to talk about the project about Hyperledger and in collaboration with GBBC's Token Taxonomy Framework. We're going to talk today about a really exciting implementation of our Token Taxonomy Framework in the area of education, which Alfonso and Piage will tell us about that they worked so diligently on the concept of learning tokens. Thank you for having us today. I'm Diana. I'm the head of research and sustainability at GBBC. And why don't we introduce ourselves? So Alfonso, I'll take it to you to introduce yourself. Hi. I'm Alfonso, Alfonso Govela from Hyperledger Latin America regional chapter and also a mentor, Linux Foundation mentor, and very happy to have been the mentor of Piage as friends call, Tanjian Alam, who was the mentee. I'll give you, you can introduce yourself Piage. Hello, everyone. Myself, I'm Tanjian Alam. I'm the mentor of the Learning Token Hyperledger episode 2023. Yeah. And welcome all of you. Jackson. Yes, my name is Jackson Ross. I'm the technical program lead for GBBC. I work closely with Diana and have worked with Alfonso on several projects in the past through GBBC. So happy to be here to talk about this collaboration. Please, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to type them in our chat and we will get to them at the end of the presentation. But for now, let's get started with Alfonso telling us about the project. Good. Well, this is the Hyperledger mentorship project 2023 called Learning Tokens and Hyperledger Bessu. This is our first third public session. We'll give you the links for the other two. This is the final presentation of the work we've done now. And it's a joint project of Hyperledger Foundation and GBBC, which is also a member of Hyperledger Foundation. Learning is a lifelong year. We all know that. And our skills are our wealth. Skills are thought and learned through the transmission of knowledge. So what learning tokens are. They are the representation of the value of the transmission of knowledge. Tokens have been with us. It's not a new thing. They have been with us for 11 millennia. And they are the disasters of counting and writing. These are photographs of old tokens from Mesopotamia. In our case, an instructor teaches a skill to a learner. The skill is transmitted. The skill is acquired. The skill is assessed. The skill is confirmed. And then the instructor recognizes a unit of competence. This recognition is what the Learning Token is about. There are two ways to certificate acquisition of skills. Overall, as we call it, when you follow a whole process of lessons of assessment skills, evaluation, and at the end, you get a certificate. Or what we're proposing is a granular acquisition of skills. As a lesson is presented and these competence is recognized, and there is a scoring guide of which we give a Learning Token. In this way, each lesson and eventually the granularity could be anything. Anyone could be each question in a quiz. It's recognized so that we get a certificate, but also we have a skill wallet. And this is important. The skill wallet shows the profile of skills that any one of us have acquired over time. How do this happen? It happens within the same framework of self-sovereign identity verifiable credentials. There are institutions that grant learning tokens to learners that hold those tokens in a skill wallet. And they can use those tokens to prove their knowledge, to verifiers, which might be employer's partners. Or there's a special token that we can exchange in a marketplace that supports learning, collaborative learning. This is always regulated as it should be by the governance human part of authorities and participants in the program that define the governance framework and a trust registry. Learners register in institutions and courses. And institutions, instructors and courses and scoring guides are listed in a trust registry that also registers the tokens granted. This allows the verifiers and the marketplace to have a trust source of trust in the trust registry. So from Clay, we've got our little, little tokens. There were thousands of them in Mesopotamia. We have our four little tokens for attendance, a score for the learner as they learn, also a score for the instructors as they teach, and a health token that is distributed among learners to show their collaboration in a course or in some other fields. Jackson, this happens within the token taxonomy framework. I'll let you explain it. Yes, definitely. So just a little bit of context, I guess. GBBC, who I work for, is the largest industry association for blockchain and digital assets. We have over 500 members ranging from startups to large enterprises and academic institutions. And that comes into play because one of the initiatives of GBBC, which is called the Interwork Alliance, focuses on creating standards and guidance for specific tokenization use cases. The standards and guidance that we produce are intended to be platform neutral and simply serve as a way to describe tokens in a plain language that everyone can understand and provide guidance on how tokens should be implemented for specific use cases. And to kind of accomplish that on the right-hand side, you'll see the token taxonomy framework or the TTF. That's really the foundation of the standards and guidance that the Interwork Alliance works on. And it is a plain English framework way to describe tokens in a generic way that outlines kind of the basics of the token, what behaviors it is able to exhibit, is it able to be burned, minted, transferred, encumbered, as well as the data that it needs to contain to operate effectively within its specific use case. And so the output of the working groups within the Interwork Alliance is essentially a recipe or an outline for a token that any person looking to implement for that specific use case, they could take that to their technology provider and they could build them a token and a system that follows the kind of more generic guidance and with the goal of having interoperable systems where even if it's built on different technology, the data elements and how the token behaves can be consistent across platforms. And so that's how we got involved with this project. Alfonso reached out and wanted to use the TTF as a way to help define the learning tokens that they were building. And so we were happy to provide our guidance in that regard and to be involved with this very interesting and extremely relevant project. Thank you Alfonso. No, thanks to you. And so now we go to the real, real work that Piyash has done for six months and I want, before anything, I want to recognize this extraordinary work enthusiasm and he's been there 24-7 for six months and we'll hope to have him further ahead also. Piyash. Yeah, thank you Alfonso and thank you Jackson for the insight that you have shared about the token text in the framework. So since we have aimed to track the detail, the learning accomplishment of the learners and so as I was telling, since we are aimed to track the detail, learning accomplishment of the learners and from here we can came up with the idea of the learning token. For instance, the tokenomics sounds since familiar to every one of us. It's the combination of the word of the token and the economics while creating any sort of the cryptocurrency or any governmental token such as SEVEDC, we had to think how the minting, burning and the distribution will work. In our case, while we are designing our learning token, which is basically an enhancement in the learning system and it will create some proof of digital knowledge acquisition in form of digital token. So while designing it, we took the help of the token toxinomy framework. In short, token toxinomy framework break down the tokens into basic reusable parts and here from the picture we can see the template. So what it does, it defines the capabilities and the restriction of the tokens. In the picture we can see that token template has two parts, formula and the definition in terms of the formula, we have been introduced fungible and non-fungible token. In terms of the fungible token throughout the course, we have same type of token as the unit showed as collaborative helping before the learners. This is why we have introduced the fungible token. On the other hand, we have the non-fungible token. First say like a learner will get a unique attendance token for attending the class and this is why we have introduced non-fungible token as well. Next, the definition. Did I from the formula based on the fungibility and non-fungibility, we have attendance score and collective support. Finally, we have classes and instances. Classes represent the deployment token from the template and the instance stands for the single unit of the token. Next slide please. Here we can see the formula that we have created for two of our tokens. From the left table, we can see the base behavior and the property set. What is it? In terms of the token taxonomy framework, the concept of the base type behavior behavior group and the property states are the fundamental building block for defining the describing the tokens. Since the framework is enriched with lots of the predefined component, we had to choose that suit best for the learning token. From the table, we can see the property that we have chosen accordingly. So based on type, the type represents the core functionalities of the token. Behavior defines the specific action that can perform and next, the property states encapsulate the state of the properties that define the specific characteristics of the tokens. And finally, we have formula to formulate the formula from those properties states. And here I repeat to design the learning token. We have used the token taxonomy tools to generate the artifacts and formula that have been shown here showed here. The formula are not written by hands or generated manually. For those who are interested in a comprehensive description why and how we chose this property, I strongly suggest you to have a look in the token taxonomy framework. Probably we will have the reference at the end of the slide or we can also share it in the comments section as well. Can you go to the next slide please. Since you are looking forward to have a pilot and we are really happy to share that with the collaborative effort with the World Calisthenics Organization, we have done the pilot. What is World Calisthenics Organization? It is a global leader promoting calisthenics for the fitness and the well-being. They offer high quality education and the training program. Improving people of the any ages embarrassed the body weight exercise reach with this full potential. I would like to thanks them once again for their support throughout the entire pilot. All of them are present here. Can you go to the next slide please. Before I jump into the detail how we conducted the pilot, I would like to show how their platform works. So the World Calisthenics Organization offers several courses and we have chosen WCO Fundamental Lab & Work here. So here from the image one we can see we have several lessons under the course and in the picture two we can see each lesson consists of several quizzes and from image three we can see they keep the track of the login and for each student. From the image four we can see the result for each student and image five and six the progress log and result. So I hope it will help us to know how the educational organization work because we have run the pilot with them. Can you go to the next slide please. So this is the Registriper course. We can see we have institution registration data, instructor registration data and course registration data and scoring guide per course and learner registration data. In short I can say if anyone want to add up or integrate learning token into their platform this is what we are going to need to communicate with them to the ecosystem. We'll convert it into, we'll later on convert it into the SDK with the proper documentation in the near feature so that anyone can come up and read the documentation how to get started with learning token. Since in the learning token ecosystem we maintain a hierarchy where we have institution and under institution we have several instructor and under each instructor we have several courses where each courses will have formed with some learners. So with this data of World Calisthenic Organization we got registered and ran the pilot with them. Let's talk about the scoring guide per course table we can show here. So it basically says everything about a course because it will help anyone to find how many lessons are there within a course and what is the maximum amount of token that is allocated in the per course and the per lessons. So that anyone can easily find the comparison of grades that anyone have achieved. Can we go to the next slide? So our main focus to design the token and streamline the massive open course mobs and the small private open course using token token framework and implement the smart contract and deploy it within the hyperlase abyssal but to interact with it we need to have a graphical user interface and so from here we will discuss how we will start with the learning token and how the journey will look and how World Calisthenic Organization did it. Since we need to deploy the entire system into the cloud infrastructure during the execution of the pilot project we choose Polygon Testnet to deploy our smart contract and we use the AWS to deploy the front end and the back end. From here we can see International University of Business Arts and Technology is joining the platform as an institution and field all the required fields with the latitude and the longitude and the other required field that is required in the form and from the right side we can see the data we have stored on the blockchain during the pilot project that the World Calisthenic Organization did. Can you go to the next slide? This is the interface for instructor registration. So once when an instructor is going to register you will have to fill up the form. Let's say Alfonso is going to register into the platform since we are talking about the pilot project on the right side the data that we can see I pull the data from the Polygon Testnet or the World Calisthenic Organization instructor Sammy was registered during the pilot project. Can you go to the next slide please? Now this interface is for creating course as an instructor. Before creating each course we need course name. So we need to select while we are creating the course we need to select under which institution we are going to create the course and our smart contract is designing such a way that will only show those university that he belongs to. And next we will need two files. So this is the registration form for the learners. So from the left side we can see the interface that we have designed when any learner is trying to register in the our platform he has to fill all those images and register. On the right side we can see the data that was the person that registered during the pilot the Stella and the Andrea so they are the person who registered during the pilot. Can you go to the next slide? So finally from those two images we can see instructor is distributing the token by uploading a standard token template. So we have two types of tokens so from this interface the instructor will come here and select even to transfer token in a bulk or in a single. We have both options available here and after all the distribution of the token when the learners when the learner get logged in will have a skin like this below we have the skill wallet of learners or they will be able to see the learner achievement as the token associated with all the metadata that we can see here. Can you go to the next slide? Okay so what we have with Learning Tokens is the possibility of recognizing in a granular way each of the lessons each of the quizzes and we give through the scoring guide we give Learning Tokens for each of those issues as granular as any instructor would like to do and so if the course is completed and it's cost is paid and get a certificate but in a lot of places in the world sometimes certificates are expensive for many of us the recording stopped okay well I'll continue without the recording but if we have Learning Tokens we can have recognition of as much as we advanced even if we don't have the certificate we can have the skill wallet that covers up for all the real acquisition with the certificate or without the certificate and that's the power of this presentation that we're giving to you what would be the next steps after the mentorship program well there would be governance, technical and courses in terms of governance PIASH is uploading formulas definitions artifacts all the information that it is also in our links that we'll give afterwards to the TTF repository we are writing a joint report Hyperledger and GBBC and eventually we would like to have a working group that could evaluate the evolution of this Learning Tokens on the technical side what PIASH did has to evolve into an SDK so that any platform of any program anywhere in the world can connect automatically and ease the difficult and many times unpleasant task I know as a teacher we have to upgrade it and then another next step that we all take in parallel is we have to test it more beyond I appreciate what WCO did with us but I think we should start in-house with Hyperledger and with GBBC and some other courses and with that idea to Diana or Diana for the friends I know from Bolivia so I speak Spanish too I just want to put the answer back and explain we're very very excited about this collaboration and I want to give you an overview on the GBBC and some of our research initiatives we put together we provide our members like Hyperledger a number of in-depth reports and also we have a series of open source ideas which are shorter reports that are very specific to any use case and they cover blockchain use cases across industries across all industries essentially we are working with Alfonso and Hyperledger on a special report which will be coming to explain in further detail the concept of CTF as it may be applied for education and in particular the learning tokens it's really important to highlight the importance of standards because standards facilitate interoperability and interoperability facilitates collaboration and if we don't all work under some sort of agreement of the same rules implementations like this won't really take off but if we go to the next slide I want to mention in addition to our special reports and open source idea reports we also have an annual launch of a very comprehensive crowdsource initiative called the global standards mapping initiative where we cover key elements of different aspects of blockchain and digital assets you can see the statistics that span from regulation, taxonomy a compilation of different forms of technical standards, a mapping of the stakeholders in the space and a number of reports and visuals that cater to different sectors within those key findings if we go to the next slide one of our GSMI components is a mapping of courses that teach blockchain and digital assets and we have compiled close to 2,000 courses all over the world taught by universities and other credit institutions you can see the statistics they span across all academic fields mostly in the area of computer science and engineering they span all regions and they also span across graduate and professional courses and certificates the reason why I want to highlight our repository of courses is that the project of learning tokens may be of interest for universities like these and if anyone in the audience is interested in learning more about the project of learning tokens and exploring ways that it can reach implementation across different educational institutions please reach out to us and more to come but in our next iteration of GSMI which we update consistently every year we'll explore the possibility of learning tokens for educational institutions as something that we could support and implement but if you move to the next slide we'll conclude this presentation if you want to mention a little bit the resources that you've put together yes yes we would like to know what you think we would like to engage you all of you in a conversation and for that we have the repository of the mentorship hyperledger mentorship program which is called learning tokens and hyperledger BESU and that's at the wiki of hyperledger and that's one of the interns in the program the pilot is presented in also in an article in media and you can see the slides that we presented but then we also have a hyperledger lab hyperledger labs are special spaces for collaboration and we got fortunately one for learning tokens and this is the GitHub repository where you can have all the information not only about the project and the documents you can go to the readme but most important you can see all the formulas definitions, artifacts that P.H. has created together with Jackson from the token taxonomy framework and also the code the code is there in our GitHub repository and for all of you that might want to get engaged with the token taxonomy framework we're giving you also the AirWork Alliance DTF GitHub repository. What is this all about? I think that it's time to really recognize the importance of skill and this is not something that we are proposing many people are working on what it's called skill first initiative where employers, where partners many people evaluate skills in a granular way for jobs for businesses for what have you and I think that we are presenting an alternative of recognizing those initiatives of skill acquisition and giving every one of us a skill wallet a skill wallet that is our profile profile of skills that we hope for life and as we continue the journey of learning well we have a wallet to treasure all the recognitions of the skills that we have acquired so as a takeaway we can measure recognize and reward learning you're welcome to use it this is our contact slide and maybe we can go to the Q&As we've been short shorter than we thought so it give us a lot of time to engage in the conversation. I'm going to stop sharing the screen so that we can start with Q&A I'm going to say we've got a few folks with facts that they're interested in in learning tokens and if either of you want to raise your hands or expand on what you're working on or what angle you'd be approaching learning tokens from please shut up thank you so much for the opportunity to learn about what is happening here this is such an incredible initiative that I think Alfonso and Piach are spearheading that it really has been inspiring to be able to know that there is a standard that other projects can follow our software development agency has actually been trying to bring something of a learn to earn model when we came across what Piach and Alfonso were building we knew we had to fall in line how we can do our best to align and I'm grateful to be here there's a lot of information that I think has opened my eyes to how the framework for these different tokens and the taxonomy can really help us take things to the next level and I'd be really interested in learning more about that because it really does seem like a great way to bring corporate entities who are looking for services or talent together with talent who has been able to prove that they have a certain skill and so that's actually the concept that we've been working on and we left to see this moving forward in one way or another with everything that's going on here with the taxonomy framework so I really do appreciate the knowledge thank you Johnny not only for the question which is quite relevant but for all the support and all the faith in the project with the pilot thanks to you and your friend that is also here in the group now Sammy and Andrea it's not too late for him in Italy but maybe he's got some other thing and couldn't be with us but he'll see the recording so thank you Johnny thank you Johnny for believing in us and we look forward to to continue working with you and I thought that it was very good that one of the first well the first pilot was for something relating to our bodies and our health so if our bodies are in good shape we might have better chances to learn one thing I do know is that there is hi Alex I love that solution and I'm actually really happy you brought that up because that was the concept that I think we had originally began with because it is a very much a decentralized finance type of way of looking at it but this token taxonomy framework helped us realign with the true potential for corporate entities and being able to connect talent in this gig economy in a new way and that's why I'm so grateful to learn what we can do I know that the world calisthenics organization has a big goal of being able to help gyms all over the world be able to identify high quality professionals through this type of education process and certification and the granular education that you're bringing here and I think that that's going to be the key for these different gyms so that way they know who they're working with and I'm really grateful that you guys have expanded our perception of things and looking forward to seeing how hyper-legit-last can help move this initiative forward. Yes and thank you Alexander for your question in the chat I'll read it you ask do you see blockchain as a solution to collecting royalties on education and courses similar to what's being explored in music yes now that's a question that Johnny already answered and I thank you Alex for asking it it's a way to collect royalties but also it's a way to share to share health tokens okay and those health I mean learning tokens I'm reading Brendan's question at the same time and I'm on an old male hardware that is not good for multitasking you're young people or you can do it now but at our time the hardware was incomplete so our learning tokens could be a way of helping each other and that help could be exchange in the market that supports education and it could be a monetary support or it could be an income and that's where it relates exactly to what you're asking Brendan you I made a mistake because I was reading your comment in the chat and Brendan says health is wealth sweet equity every drop of sweat equals a deposit into your bank or personal health I think I would ruin it Brendan if I could touch on another item real quick that I actually know that has been really essential ever since we started talking about this entire aspect of education I happen to work with a company that is able or an organization I'm sorry that is able to provide what is called a green designation so that that way they can get better access to financial opportunities now the learning education comes in or the learning process comes in and the learning tokens initiative comes in which is from my understanding I think what you guys are establishing here is the ability for players to be able to leverage your SDK to connect their own platforms to be able to relay information back to this learning token initiative let's call it on hyper ledger right which would be the central repository where anybody can actually validate what would be somebody's perceived knowledge along the way is that correct? Piyash is saying yes with his head I saw it I saw that and it made me really happy to see that that's great to hear Piyash yeah actually this is what actually we are thinking in the long run so in the long run we will have a central repository where all the data will be there all the registry universities are there and all the courses are there and within the courses we have all the registry instructor so in a sense it will be it will be a a truth source where any other entities will come here and make the query to find like that and to hire some this as the ex skill person since it works as a source of truth and since it is stored in the all in the blockchain so we can trust it many other entity can come and join this project well I know it's a learning initiative but it sounds like I'm going to be selling it to all of my friends that they should probably start transitioning a lot of the way that they consider helping to teach others and inspire communities to a concept like this where we can really drive information back to a central repository that can help us validate it in separate ways outside of physical degrees. I know that that seems to create a lot of different private silos and I think that one of these things that this is doing it is breaking apart all the silos of private data and really happy to see that I know it's a concept you've really hit on before Alfonso and I look forward to seeing how this really spreads worldwide. David Boswell from Hyperledger would be sending emails to all the people that registered with not only the record the link to the recordings but also the links to the Hyperledger lab, the GitHub repository and so you would have in your emails that information to connect to further continue working on this. I know I've definitely taken advantage of it and Alexandra, I hope that we get to meet a little bit more through that and I do apologize. I have terrible internet connection and Diana, thank you so much it's a pleasure to be able to learn more about what you're all working on. I know it's an exciting opportunity and if I can learn how to align a little bit more whatever structure you have it'll really bring a lot of benefits to my community and hopefully I can help spread the word. Diana That's fantastic. Thank you so much for interacting with us. Please feel free to contact us if you want to hear more about the token taxonomy framework. Again, all of our resources are open source and free to use for the community and we're here for any needs on guidance implementation community aspects. This collaboration with Hyperledger is amazing and we really hope that the implementation of common standards for tokens in the education space can really take off. Alexander is asking do you have a set of heuristic that you use or have a roadmap for this validation? It's interesting because we are relying Alexander on the instructors who is them. The instructor we allow the institution to register whomever instructors the courses but we allow them to set up scoring guides and scoring guides is the grading policy that each instructor has to validate what they want to validate. We suggest but it's only a suggestion we suggest as many grading ways around the world letters, numbers what happen. We suggest that maybe learning tokens could be given as percentages. So a scoring guide for a course, any course would be 100 100 points and the instructor is the one that defines how many points are given for attending. It's quite valid for people just to attend and listen and learn by listening. How many points do you give as an instructor? You give for the quizzes the homeworks, the code that you have to write now and how many tokens do you give to recognize the engagement in the community? No. These engagement tokens are the ones that are fungible. Those are the ones that we want to create a market around helping and collaborative learning. But also you would have a way of recognizing the ability of the instructor to teach and so you give tokens to the instructor. We accept that scoring guide as valid and if the institution is registered, the instructor is registered, the course and the scoring guides are registered in the registry of trust or the trust register then whenever the instructor wants, he is the one that creates and transports opens. So the validation is there. The validation is in the hands of the instructor and the registry of trust is open. It's open to all. And the wallets are open to the self sovereign identity control to show what you want to who you want to. Does that answer what you ask? Yes it does. Can you hear me? Just checking the mic. Yeah, thank you very much. Wonderful presentation. Very, very interesting. I love the space. I've been working kind of closer tangential to it for a while. I started looking at algorithmic central banks and things like that and kind of moved more into web three and actually web two and web one two. I have a technical interest in that kind of stuff. But this is fascinating. I really, really like this idea. Not only from a financial standpoint, but I think this could revolutionize education. You are most welcome. I agree absolutely with you. Can we just, as you left your contact information, we can just reach out if we're interested in collaborating after we take a look at it and kind of go through the code and stuff. Please do. Please do. We'll be delighted. We'll be delighted to hear and to continue together. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I guess like the way we have expected there is a lot of attendees and we're happy to have all of you here and we're looking forward to have the feedbacks and because we are looking forward to make something standard that can be adopted out all. So in that case, we need the feedbacks from all of you and the supports as well. Brendan wrote in the chat 100% revolutionize education becoming a global system of recognition, knowledge and skill. Yes. That's what we're aiming for. We're aiming for building together a standard and here is where GBBC and TTL come into play. We build together. Standards have to be built together and should not be imposed. And once we build together that standard then we have a chance for people like you and more to come to say, hey, I think that's useful. Let's use it. And as they use it, they would say, well, yeah, but why don't we make a little change here and there will come to the working standard moves and modify the standard. No. But always. Yes. I'm so sorry to interrupt you, Alfonso. What's been the reception from the general already stated university community that already has a scheme in place? Have you received a warm reception or have they been a little bit more on the reticent side? Well, we haven't had enough. We just began. This is our second year with the mentorship program for learning tokens. Last year at the very beginning we had the pilot project which was very, very small and didn't have the success that we had this year. It was good. No, but it was not as advanced as a SPESH did in this year. Was with Jesuit University in El Salvador. And it was a very small not in the curriculum, but a parallel Excel course. And so we are completing this phase. In fact, we finished the 30th of November two weeks ago. Now it's the time to really begin testing the waters and well, there would be there would be interest. There would be a lot of suggestions for improvements and we are welcome to to all of them. That's what building standards is all about. I'm so sorry to interrupt. Maybe I missed this. When is going to be the first working group session? We haven't defined it yet. We're going to complete the joint report. I'm happy to say quite advanced. Okay. And after having that report and with all this recording, we'll distribute it to all of you and began distributing as Diana said. Johnny speaks Spanish also. Diana. Here I am with you if you need anything, thank you. Nice to meet you. And Johnny and Alexander Diana explained that the global standard mapping initiative with the help of Jackson it's been going on for four years and this last edition has almost 2,000 institutions. Jackson has been instrumental in advancing the TTF and can be a resource for anyone with any questions. And we'd like to reach out to them Alexander. Thanks for all the hard work Jackson. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you guys. It's a lot of work Jackson. You can tell us more about it. What are the plans behind you, Alfonso? The sketches the architectural drawings? Yes. Yes. Are they of a cathedral or... Well, it's always good to aim for the stars. That's it. We might get to Cancun to be good, which is nearby. But we're aiming for the stars. Excellent. So it is a cathedral. And as cathedrals go it might take a lot of time but each stone that we put we want to put it in place to support more stones on top of it. Wow. And that's why we're working with you guys at GBBC. It's a circular finance. And all the other people at Hyperledger also. A lot of the special interest groups that might benefit from learning tokens. And Hyperledger itself. It has a series of courses. If I could ask what would be the one-year goal that maybe we could just kind of openly share is something that the GBBC is kind of aspiring that would transpire out of this. I know that it's an incredible opportunity to get it out to the public. But once it's out there it's like, come on. Whatever way that you're inspiring. But what is the ideal goal here? I see that there's a lot of synergies with potentially the reeducation and the reconnection with jobs. Is that somewhere where you guys want to go to work? I mean, Jackson, you run a lot of the working groups and a lot of the TTF traction has been in the area of environmental, carbon credits, accounting for carbon credits. I'm sure please say more, but it's community-oriented. It's a big crowd source. Yeah, so from the GBBC side I can speak a little bit to the kind of working groups that the inter-work alliance and the kind of membership of GBBC being fairly broad, it goes across industries and includes academic institutions. So there is an opportunity potentially for a working group to come out of this either under GBBC or under Hyperledger that can go a little bit more into this. Within the IWA the kind of specifications, standards are applied and so we produce all implementation neutral so we don't want to gate anyone in our community for a particular platform and so the Token Taxonomy Framework gives us that kind of avenue to describe tokens in a way where you could build them into your system and have a level of interoperability between different platforms and so allowing our members to come together and discuss the use cases, learn from implementations and kind of incorporate those learnings back into the standard is kind of what we do regularly for our work so as this use case evolves it gets more traction and gets more buy-in from different stakeholders there's definitely opportunities for working groups as well as the tie in the Diana made with the global standards mapping initiative that we do using that as a resource and allowing Alfonso and the team to use that as a resource to reach out to different academic institutions that may be interested in blockchain and digital assets not only for their participation in the project itself registering their own courses but also giving their expertise and knowledge on the education field back to the standard and the guidance so that it's more applicable and we make sure that it's difficult to get all of the requirements at once and have it all implemented and put together all on the first go so learning from the implementations and the feedback that we get from the different players that that guidance and those token standards touch is extremely important so that can also be an avenue for feedback in that way yeah we're always open to feedback on our listing of courses and we have a community obviously of observing member institutions who are educational institutions as part of the and this is an interesting topic of conversation and we're also thinking of running round tables moving forward as well as conversations to engage the community and membership on topics of interest so if this is one we can take ideas and feedback and turn it into some space where we can provide some suggestions and continue this conversation Thank you Thank you very much I'm at the top of the hour I'm really delighted that we were short on the presentation and very long on the Q&A because that indicates that we have to continue Q&As further ahead I want to thank you Pesh first because without his work in this six months we wouldn't be where we are Thank you Pesh for a great opportunity I enjoyed very much working with you I also want to thank GBBC for their support and for their interest to continue and of course Hyperledger both at the Hyperledger mentorship program and Hyperledger at large as that beautiful huge almost cathedral size Jackson no for open source and blockchain so thank you very much all of you for being here and for your interest to continue being with us Thank you Thank you very much Thank you everyone Bye Bye Great to meet you