 hmm all right that's better yeah okay so is that my microphone was muted there we go haha dude this music we're getting dang that's right that's why I've got my pimp jacket on baby I like how you spiced it up some you look like you rolled out rolled off the couch here just a second here we go I got I realized wait I got a I was here myself at the background yeah okay now I've seen the screen wait I'm bringing up bringing up the chat yeah baby I got this big furry jacket I want something just to get me through so that we're doing dude we're rocking the the 90s again I'm Kirk Cobain and you're like got those purple 90s vibes going on hey you're is there hey you're my buddy in St. Petersburg buddy hope you're holding up there my friend that's right good to see you yeah finally here my goodness I feel like sometimes you over prepare nothing really works every time it's something every time you have the worst luck with cameras so you got that new razor camera and it's not not doing good well actually if I go back to like the the scene where you saw I just had this shot where it says show start soon please drop a like for the first minute that actually is that camera so I plugged in and it decided to work today so it's just over there for like a break if we need a break and go to that camera if you need to get started like we did a little bit late then kind of pull that up and let the crowd get ready so there's so many people already like 17 20 people there that's just tremendous any people have jobs they must be like me yeah pretend to work all day doesn't no I know see so let's just get something right off the chest here before we get into our topics because I've been I came out with a new video finally after like a month and I was getting I mean I got a comment that made me laugh today it was all about the economics of going to conventions how much it actually costs because I just figured all this out a podcast right we've been through this yeah yeah so I actually broke down the numbers and since I I guess I made like I mean I made a couple jokes about how I had to do four restorations worth of work to pay for the job the job to cover it and people one guy was like I thought this was you guys went to these conferences all of because you just loved what you loved what you did and I was like what the hell did you not watch the video that's the whole point of it if we just did the things is we just did this because we love we were about money we would never go to a convention it's like yeah so I was like this is not you're not you're not getting it I don't I know I joked around like saying that my wife would be mad that I only made a hundred dollars after that whole job week of I mean that's like a three weeks worth of work and I profit a hundred bucks from it so anyway just because you love doing something you still have to pay for it when I go to my weed dealer I love smoking weed but I still have to pay him that's how it works this little expensive old in the yeah sorry I realize I'm yelling into my mic already don't yell too much unless you're the guy unless you're the guy who just just hangs out just like the dude on the couch where you just hang out all day and try to hang around the guy who's the weed dealer so you just try to hey man you got you got somebody coming over hey hey man I'll smoke with you guys and speaking of that one of the reasons I was late is because so I was only late so I gotta stop smoking a bit of weed so instead to sort of get the urge out of me I've got some of those CBD joints you know it doesn't get high but they say it's got I don't know they say it's something in there it's the similar but anyway so I'm standing on my balcony about three stores up smoking this CBD J and there's two kids walking down the street right across the road and they're like running their hands along the fence and then I realize one of them's got like some chalk and he's running lines along the fence like and then they're throwing the chalk and he's got another bit out so I mean in one hand they're little punk kids there's the going around graffitiing stuff but it's chalk and it's brick so I'm like let them be punks these are the crappiest punks I've seen but it's chalk PG punks they're like just Disney friendly punks that's right and there were some people walking down the street and they're like oh we better put it away I'm like oh my god and clearly my neighborhood is too nice if that's what's happening so I was just stuck trying to figure out how to smoke the fake weed I think right that's that's what's good and I'm and though I was then like do I yell at them like but then I've clearly got like a joint in my hands I could be like hey what are you doing hey everyone okay Brian James PO 17 well John's here as well this is very nice since since we're on this uh discussion of marijuana I think that's let's let's talk about this for sake because I also had an encounter this weekend and it was kind of an embarrassing one it was I was sitting down having a serious conversation with my wonderful wife and she goes I mean we're in this conversation about the kids or something she goes you know I know you've been smoking smoking weed and I was like I didn't say that because I was like yeah she's like you've been smoking too much of it and I was like I didn't say anything she's like you know I could taste it on you I could I could smell it in your hair you can't brush that out of your hair and wash that off your teeth and brush your teeth and wash it out of your hair and I was like oof and it's because I've been getting like this like probably because the stuff that I've had gotten recently was so strong like it's just like when you touch it you're like oh my god oh you know like sticky all over your hands but that's so that was my was like hey chill chill out she's like I don't care if you smoke I don't care if you smoke but yeah okay but don't I wonder the end of the story how does it sound okay she's like I don't care if you smoke she's like but just don't sneak off I know you're kind of probably doing it sometimes around the house you know when we're just like hanging out with the kids and I'm like yeah you're right I probably do just go over there just like hit the hit the weed one time or something and I'm out in the garage doing shit so it's like yeah you're right okay she's like you'll feel better trust me and she's right I've been kind of I get in a funk because I don't I don't go out of this basement we laugh about it look I don't even change my outfit anymore it's nice I'm just changing through living in this purple outfit like a big 90s jumpsuit style grimace from like the mcdonald's yeah but I eat you man I I like yeah so uh that I mean it's just been um it's just been kind of a straight you know ever since I moved there's still been a lot of like stress involved with that and new stuff comes up and it's like always wondering if I made the right decision on things on that end but so you all I mean you have those thoughts I can tell you the truth you do so but then you have this conversations like with your wife she's like ah you know it's just right I would feel better if I wasn't just like spaced out like probably all the on you know more than I should be so anyway welcome to everybody we're talking about give me my chance to tell my story Steve what do you got there what is that a beard no it's water okay um yeah I'm I'm similar uh I'm similar that uh I've been having a bit too much and I think the last stream I was there was too much for me I will admit so I'm also trying to hold back with the help of my girlfriend so I've got two things on that one was yeah I was trying to I still wanted something so I was having the CBD but also like whenever I go out to a comedy show probably two or three nights a week always some you know one of the guys there's got some so it's very hard to stay away but I'm trying to as well I I sort of hit it on the weekend a bit too hard and then I wake up Monday morning and uh you know feel like why did I I'm a bit spacey and I'm still not feeling great Monday so okay I need to clean up my act which is all well and good but in two weeks I booked myself three days in Amsterdam so I've got three nights in Amsterdam and you better believe that we're gonna we're gonna be texted to the local delicacy so not only that not only that in uh there's a chain of second-hand video game stores they're really common in the UK and on Europe called CEX sacks but CEX computer exchange it's supposed to be the big red anyone in the UK knows what I'm talking about the big red stores are franchise and there's actually five six of them in Netherlands and there's three in Amsterdam I can cycle around to get high smoke a little joint cycle around and go to the video game store and there's another couple sort of on a train's ride so that's I'm pretty happy as long if I can go somewhere and there's like at least one retro game store I'm pretty happy just to go look at things so yes need to consume less marijuana but uh go to Amsterdam on the other hand not not sure how I'm dealing with such addictions right now we're getting it that's a real test you need something sometimes hey Felipe's there nice to see you again mate yeah it's it it's difficult you know the here's an interesting conundrum too where I live in Virginia in the United States in the calm it's called the Commonwealth of Virginia but all it is is one of the 50 states in this state it is legal to smoke and have like up to an ounce of marijuana per adult and there's some caveats to that uh but there's nowhere to buy it yet there you're not allowed to buy it like anywhere in the state we've talked about this a little bit but then they have all these stores that have popped up that sell what you're talking about CBD and delta eight and these other flower looking marijuana stuff that's got it's just hemp but it's got the molecule THC pulled out of it and now there our local government is making that stuff illegal they've legalized real weed and they say this CBD eight this other fake weed is dangerous and they're making that illegal and so now all the stores there's like nothing sold to the stores anymore that well it's not beneficially passed but they're trying to like as we speak in Virginia get rid of CBD Delta A and all that stuff but then you can have the regular stuff you know yeah you just gotta get it to yourself somehow or grow it and uh I don't grow it though that's there's a lot of work yeah I think so I don't know I've never I've never tried I have to ask the farmers out there so dude how's your how's your mic going because it's have you got a noise gate on your microphone because it's that you can hear background interference and then you can't you know a noise there is a noise gate going on because my boiler will randomly cut on and it's actually on right now like okay that's probably why the noise gates activated but yes there is a noise gate mm-hmm so if you want to talk for the next like tell a story for the next two minutes I'll be quiet all right whoo actually I realized my pimp jacket's really hot but I'm kind of like sitting here ripping off and show that hot peak mtv shirt anyway that's better yeah straight away from h&m actually I think most of my shit comes from h&m I'm not it's very common around here do you have h&m in America yeah yeah I yeah I think that's where I have to go to get my son's clothes like he he's real tall and skinny like super skinny yeah and so he is has all these you know most like we've joked about most people and kids in America are overweight now so he's not that yeah so it's really hard for him to find clothes because they're all different they're all matching the right so he's gonna go wait wait so what you're telling me is the tall skinny american kid needs to buy clothes at the european clothes only because american clothes don't fit in nice I'll be honest it's in the mall here which is funny it's at like a dead shopping mall an old style shopping mall and that's the I don't even waste my time taking him anywhere else I go we just go to h&m I don't even go to another store because nothing nothing fits him yeah it's just this tall european stuff he gets a lot of like these playstation shirts and stuff it's funny yeah they have a weird yeah they have like weird kind of tie-ins as it's like I mean you can buy your nirvana shirt from h&m and or your metallica shirt and I'm conflicted I haven't got one but I got the you know MTV was okay I guess so actually I'm trying to find I'm trying to find one item on me that wasn't already picked up by my girlfriend and I'm maybe the socks oh goodness well how it is we're here on the stream we're here on the stream and everything's getting comfortable I think we should um we should you know we should defy what that dirty attorney accused us of that 8-bit Esquire saying we would never we would never talk about the topics we actually picked out this guy I mean like yeah 90% of the time he's right and I was like man let's actually pick something that's that's new that's going on that's happening a couple of items and that's why they're on this thumbnail that you've decided to click on during the middle of the day here mm-hmm so we've got this uh right so I've just the uh genovi is unearthing he is investigating he's digging up all the facts look and I want to say right off the bat I just watched the video I'm in the middle trying to learn about what's going on here uh you know drama's funny to me anyway uh the people that drama's funny for me that people would do it and that people want to report about it which when I take a step back is the normal way of things uh but still it's not something I mean I I'm never I mean the only person that I'm gonna make the uh hit video you know what I mean like the hit piece about is 8-bit Esquire I will uncover Roger I will find the dealings that he's doing but everyone else that's fine yeah everyone else we don't care about there yeah so that's I mean that's the normal take for us anyway and I think that's the it's fine we'll stand off and kind of just like poke this I thought it'd be fun in the chat for a little bit people could ask right in the chat have you seen the video from genovi do you have any prior experience with these things I saw it I watched it about 45 minutes of it now it goes through various things the early days something was not very reputable and then through the middle it's just like Pat was a bit not great I'm like okay yeah and then later on they get into a little bit more of the the details right okay and then there's this whole tie-in as Stefan is saying into Cinemastica and that's the angry video games guy yeah yeah yeah everyone had to go Mike Mike Matei dang it's like this this this so first off this this whole video is kind of a reminder to me of what there's always been this part of youtube where it's literally other youtubers making one-hour documentaries about big youtubers because you could there was a time where man it was just always this kind of stuff on different youtubers so it's not it's not like something that's not normally done but I sat and watched the whole thing yesterday because I knew if I didn't finish it I would stop and then like forget about it and he does a good job of laying out things but at the same time you you kind of get lost and and I was just listening to it not know much on the situation and I felt like I would get lost on like why I was supposed to be mad at Pat sometimes because it sort of feels like it's like oh this is a video blasted Pat and then it's like I'm the same as well why am I and then finally I figured it out by the end I was like okay you you know and I think there's fair criticism there of things that we could get into a little bit more but from like a albatross view flying over it is a bit of that obviously dramatic youtube thing I thought it was funny that you voltar was in it show and that he came out and made an appearance on there and then it was definitely I mean well edited for sure so it's doing really well I think on youtube for you know I mean it's got almost 8,000 views in 20 hours here it says so that's that's pretty good I but like I mean I I see some of the points and there's some things I think that I'll bring up here I don't know if there's anything like that you saw first off that you wanted to bring up I think I think the amount now that I think about it's not really say surprising but to have that fact the amount of money that's on offer that like the in play there with the the the first cartridge or whatever they'll make in the bootleg of the rom hack or the thing or whatever it was and then even sales of the book that you know he's generated 600,000 worth of sales and we have talked extensively about what income compared to profit means actually just this week I was having a coffee I had lunch with a friend of mine who's one of the most prominent film movie distributors in Estonia and I want to say the biggest because it makes him sound big but it's a small country there's not much happening here and you know he's telling me stories about how whatever it was some months or six months or more ago he got a he saw the whale you know with the movie with Brendan Fraser saw the trailer and said I'm buying it when nobody wanted to buy it and he does this sort of stuff and he was commenting I was saying as well that when the Estonian media call me about something that's happening with our comedy shows I tell him like if it's something controversial I say sorry I don't want to talk and the journalist doesn't know what to do because they're used to everybody wanting to talk to them so I was saying like yeah these journalists they write some piece and it's not like it's not a hit piece it's just they want something to talk about so like oh is the comedy guys is something up is there some controversy like nothing's up but they need some I respect they need something to write about and he said yeah they've done the same thing to him because they write an article and says we went through the business register and your company made eight million dollars last year and he's like yeah I'm a fucking movie distributor I give all of that money back to whoever made the movie that do you not understand how the business works I don't have eight million dollars in the bank and uh it's a similar so while I want to say like wow 600,000 is a lot of money uh I just wanted to point out it's a lot of money that's the terms we're talking about I don't want to say that's what Pat is sitting around with these pocket thinking yeah I'm the boss now just more like oh that's the region yeah what is brought in well right so we're getting into a couple things here first off I think the first thing that he brought up that Volter was segmented on was the cost of producing a cartridge like a limited cartridge for Cheetah Man 2 or something and it wound up being kind of a shady deal where the ROM was maybe taken from somebody who was just like a hack there and then they resold it even though the ROM was available so there's a lot of story about that and then there's like a breakdown into the costs but the thing the hard thing just to be honest here okay the hard thing about watching that and then you know you ask like Volter to come on and say and say hey this this cost doesn't look right but that's not really a fair assessment because at the same time like you have a physical document here from the company that made the cart that says this how much they paid for right like 20 something dollars and if they decided to lie on that document and like say it was 25 dollars then yeah you're right they're shady but they produced a document and what I'm saying is like just bringing a guy on to say hey it's it's the same amount they you might have done better to bring up a document that said this is how much a card actually costs than to just say we'll take my word for it because you're making an hour long documentary it's like why not just do the little thing and so there's a lot of things like that and then like dramatic music play that I feel like it's like that's that plays on your more emotions it gets you caught up in a lot of things on youtube as opposed to would you say that is too much because a lot of that I mean not talking about the Volter thing yes we'll get back to that but let's say music and tone and mood it's a little bit par for the course I mean yeah there's levels of it then so yes some amount of it is right but then it's like how much you know if they're overdoing it and there's a picture of a crying child this is the child the country took his money away from or something you know then I would say I don't think the music tone feeling it feels on brand for Genovi it doesn't feel like too much it didn't uh feel so what about then that's a good ball so volt are being there he's coming in I guess as expert witness right so uh and they're saying that in because it was they I thought they claimed it would cost $25 but that was also back in 2012 and I think this is the really hard so Volter is an expert witness here and I believe him absolutely it's not about Volter's opinion is wrong that's not I think what you were saying Steve that's not what we're going out here but as a documentary maker should you rely on one expert witness to back up your claims when well I guess you don't because you don't know right you don't know company just said yeah cost us yeah and that's you could maybe Pat was pulling a scan behind the scenes he wasn't with the you don't know I'm just making that up you don't know that what's happening you don't know or you don't know if this company this guy had a bad deal and at that time it might have cost that much to actually get the car produced if it might have been there might have been some fudging you never know about the stuff competence well what would you put that down to incompetence then or just it's either incompetence or you know intentional it's so that that's the hard thing you can't really you know you're not going to prove that in kind of a business setting unless you have a document trail but so that but that was just like one small thing some of the other things that I did I did like was a dick show I mean I've watched some of Pat's videos and yeah I mean the guy it's like it there are takes that they have that are terrible and then they come off as such dicks kind of talking about him which anybody's allowed to have an opinion and allowed to think somebody's not cool I know there's a lot of people who probably are tired to see in my face too so there's always that and here are my voices especially but uh so I'll just say that like personally I I don't I don't I've never had conversation or interaction with genovie pat I have had uh intercourse intercourse discord really I have had intercourse before can you believe that to immaculately I'm not a 40 year old virgin to believe that anyway so um I have talked to one person that was brought up in this video and I mean I'm not gonna hide it it's not really anything to hide he was Mike Matei actually DMed me I can't remember it might have been through Twitter something and was just asking CRT questions you know just so that was the only interaction I've ever had with anybody and he was very nice uh never said you know anything crazy or anything of course because it's just he's just talking to me as like my opinions on things are asking me um about certain CRTs and things like that for a while that was about a year ago maybe a little longer so that's that's a really only interaction I've ever had with any people uh I didn't actually I think I skipped the last five minutes or 10 minutes or something so on as I was the uh genovie found out a bunch of like Mike Matei there was I don't know racist and some other things that are unacceptable we might say at any time but definitely by today's standards and was that the conclusion that he's done some stuff like 10 years ago and that wasn't good and it was still up and there wasn't was that really I don't know yeah people maybe someone in the chat can tell his was he cuing Mike up doing anything recently yeah people have a problem with that stuff and like I say I try I don't like if somebody puts out a comic book and in America that's kind of I mean even if it's I mean even here like a good example of something that is universally hated would be like mine comp from Hitler right anything like that right so right but it's still like I don't think that there's from from like a scholarly perspective I don't want that to just be banned because then people would forget probably how dastardly of a person this is and it's like it kind of connects them to it so the fact that he makes this comic book whatever you know I don't um like I said I had interactions with him and he was not yeah I wouldn't sit there and be like oh well you're just a a dirty racist right based off just that kind of thing from the perspective of it being like I mean I might like I might have certain viewpoints about a person obviously based on what they've done but I don't know I hate to go and just like say blanketly well this person associates with Mike Matei and just because they associate with Mike Matei they promote racism or something you know what I mean like it's kind of a reaching thing to me it's a classic straight up cancel like cancel culture situation or I found these things in someone's past and now what we do is I don't know if he was calling for the cancellation so maybe it's not that but yeah find something in their past and I think these issues are still unresolved and I don't mean to present a perspective either way here to say he should be cancelled or not or whatever like we're still struggling to deal with that because we've been through the worst of the cancellations you know when it was like you you know what was a couple years ago and you say the wrong word and you were out and a few people have been through that and now we're sort of I think we're opposed that a little bit where we don't want to we're certainly not indoning any bad things racism sexism all very bad but it's about how do we deal with someone's past how do we interpret they've atoned for their past so apparently a factor was yeah he did that you could have done any crazy shit but nothing has been said right now and they're still up and sure then you get into you know I don't know it's is it's a hard thing to even like say anything about because there's so many weird angles that this could be working it's it's like uh but I think you know as people are asking you about everyone doing edgy stuff in their youth hell yeah I mean if there would have been a lot of things that I would have done when I was a teenager like posted to the internet there would be a half a dozen reasons in there of extremely stupid awful things I did that would be good enough reason to cancel me according to like the cancel culture right I mean anybody who but how at the same time how much does it like you say if you really care about it are you leaving it up because it brings you some other kind of attention still you know like are you still getting attention from it here's another example it's often brought out with the the loot you know the old cartoons right the looney tunes cartoons and they did all sorts of you know a mexican is a mexican guy is depicted in a racially stereotypical way or a person from africa is just you know back in the day the 70s oh yeah right you know depicted in a that sort of stereotyped environment or I saw something recently even with a they're re-releasing something it was a something about a re-release of mega man and they're leaving in the pictures of the brown skin guys in the little huts and because that's just you know the people in africa in huts that's a negative stereotype and apparently that was in the mega man game and someone wants to comment on this on the stream and they're leaving it in the game with a warning and they say hey this game reflects the the feelings of the time and and also I know with looney tunes cartoons or I think it's those they've done that thing as well where they say hey keep in mind when you're watching this this is a factor of the times and don't necessarily reflect today now I think in this to to complicate this argument that applies to works that matter creatively and artistically so yeah looney tunes I don't want those looney tunes cartoons to go away we should remember what they were but I would still like to watch them mega man seems to but you know is mike mate's cartoons from 15 years ago something of historical significance that we have to view like no I mean it's not really it's a personal thing it's like as a kid right and for all we know it could have been almost like a bad stand-up routine done by a comic like you said what about the guy who came on stage and said all the ridiculous stuff pissed off the people yet he from himself was from Ukraine at the end of the day you don't want him to like if he's a good comic and figures his way out of this and makes good jokes no one should go back to him and say you should never be a comic again because you did that one bad night right I mean that's kind of like maybe that's what uh well choosing your audience is important here so live show there's like 10 people you know and now many more because I've told the story but 10 people are there and have watched it which is why I very much preserved the sanctity of a live comedy show that I want you to say some stuff but yeah the audience will yell at you if it's terrible but it won't persist right it won't persist longer if you know you could come back and do something better yeah sorry I was talk no it's fine yeah so I'm not even high I think we're I think we're getting through this kind of good but not to just just keep dwelling on it but a little bit maybe jump it forward so we talked a little bit about that cartridge situation then you like fast forward and it starts getting into like the book production and kind of what he's been doing now is the book production and I think that there was some there was some good points of criticism where it was talking about typos and things and I don't know I imagine once you print a book you know you can't go and unprint it and be like oh I need a different copy made with this typo fix that's why there's later editions but I will say that the clip that that he cut from their cu podcast that was the most difficult for me to get around is the the clip where they were talking about pat working on the n64 book that he's got like coming out now like soon and how he he is uh using emulators to review these games and and write about them and he admits in the clip how poor the emulation is for the n64 and that some games are basically unrunnable and that no one really cares because it's just the n64 and like brushes it off and you know makes up excuses and I I kind of I mean that I feel like isn't I feel like that's kind of a bad a bad thing to go and base an entire like book based off reviewing games on emulation to me so we don't know this yet right well he said like that's what I'm saying he clipped a ship a clip from pat so that's and that's what he uses to review some of the games so maybe again there's part of it taken out of context where it's just a few situations like you said it's all hard to tell when everything's in the pudding when the n64 book comes out then we'll know right and you better imagine there's going to be a lot of focus on that I'm sure shitty reviews and pictures look kind of bad because yeah the stuff where you start to get into like does pat have the correct opinion you know that's where it's a little bit like well I mean I don't know I can't say you could shit all over the n64 that's an easy thing to do and you may not personally like it but is that what is the book is it like to be kind of like a snarky shit view of it I don't think so okay so we're balancing this situation what about the situation where the pat says that they did a print run of the book it sold out a one or two and then they've tried to establish that at this point in time pat knows there's errors he knows there's errors in the book however he needs to print the book right now the third edition because he needs to print it right now so it's out in time to take advantage of the nes mini launch window and there's going to be a lot of talk about nes and that hype so that's a tough situation he knows there's errors but he says I'm not going to stop and fix those errors I'm going to reprint the book because I need to get this out right now so I mean I'm trying to find something what I'm trying to do is find something concrete in that book section of what Genovi was talking about it is not just this guy sucks there's something I guess and unlike I would say unlike the n64 example we we kind of know because it's already being released I guess we will find out later how the n64 goes I don't know hard to say I want to throw it out to you and say what do you think do you know what you would do but we lack so much context to say hey would we do the same thing would I always delay well yeah the the I was trying to think of it from my own perspective because I've also often thought about I should just every time I go and I work on a monitor maybe maybe I'll just write a one page review on that crt okay keep it in my own thing and then maybe one day I would have a book that would be the book of crt reviews it would never sell that many right so that because there's never any kind of like demand on crt stuff uh from the marketplace it's just like I mean maybe there is a little bit but I highly doubt it so there would never be that time frame I would always make sure that everything was perfectly edited in it so I wouldn't have any typos uh but I was thinking if I if I made that book I wouldn't I wouldn't go and write a review on a crt based on like an article I read or watching a youtube video on that specific crt I would want to go and if I was writing a review on it it would be like ah Steve worked on this crt that's a real expert to giving you a review on crt and you know what I think you need Steve okay I'm first of all everyone in the chat is all like I would buy that because it's 11 a.m on a Wednesday morning and you're listening to two guys on the cathode ray podcast I imagine you're our audience and we appreciate that very much don't get me wrong uh you know what you need not not like the nes book where you just where you just kind of review each model that comes through you need a beautiful coffee table big book where you don't review every you do like five of them right and you disassemble and you show beautiful really nice pictures it's in like a really big one we really beautiful photos take a five of them go deep get like expert photography beautiful photography designed and laid out really nicely with some thoughts that because then people could appreciate the crt beauty you're trying to bring out the beauty of the insides the beauty and if it works yeah and if it works it might appeal beyond crt aficionados and our good friends here in the chat because it's this open book it's beautiful it looks good you're presenting something people wouldn't have seen in an interesting way in an art and like an art house artistic style yeah and the good thing about that idea is if it's a good if the first one works there's so many crt's that you could just keep writing additional you know a couple year haven't anyone come out uh when your friends come over and you look like the weirdo we got castle mania games in the chat he can sell for us castle mania is here though is here um yeah yeah yeah everyone's here thank you for everyone for dropping by so that but that i think that i was anyway i was thinking like that's kind of what i wanted um would be a book like that and but it's hard to see it from i don't know i i feel like too when you're taking on like we're talking about you're probably right it would be way better to do a a book on a few crt's because if you if you commit to doing like 300 crt's similarly to like what pat would do with an entire game library then you would you would get probably burnt out get after you got through 75 of them you'd be like oh why and it'd be so frustrating what's different about you know but how much could you say about or maybe you can i don't know but it's each game is different but is the 25 30 significantly different from the the next one to be able to oh like ryan's ready yeah business so there we go see then i'll be there'll be a there'll be hypocrisy hypocrisy on steve he's coming for you man coming for steve we're gonna highlight hypocrisy sony would probably hey sony would probably sue me or something if i did that say oh man he doesn't own those pictures so anyway you want to make it that's it's not a technical book my point is my concept here this isn't a repair right no it's a beautiful madonna's sex book but steve for seattle right and it's got to have big beautiful pictures of the uh of a nice like lubed up uh anode get me excited he's gonna come out you've got the perp you've got the 90s stuff this is remember the madonna's sex book in the 90s and how controversial that was the madonna made that book that like uh showed her nude and indifferent like very artistic poses and she released that do you remember that surely people yeah well i remember it i remember i wasn't allowed to look at it yeah exactly exactly that was so controversial see here's something back in the day you you had to go run out to the woods and follow a stupid little hand-drawn map to the where your buddy supposedly had buried a porn so you could look at a naked chick instead of just like now you just pull it up on your phone so yeah like we would have killed to have a chance so the c-i-t book uh yeah that's uh that's like that that's a great idea maybe we could segment over out of the pat thing we've talked about it for a good little bit and then that's a good idea because we're talking about possible lawsuits kind of drug me to the second uh topic but before we get to it we can take a breather here and see if anybody wants to chat about anything i haven't got my cup of tea here let me open up i got the main chat window here how we got 46 people watching that's all yeah that's good that's like the most i've had out of any stream so far and i i mean i haven't even had to rgb mod anything or tear any crt's apart today i've got some uh hey i got some stuff for show and tell here before we go to that one i got some show and tell first thing for show and tell is i got my kickstarter backed amiga mouse so i guess you never had the amiga back in the day i had the original amiga 500 and this is a replica of the mouse it's quite iconic look uh this was a from a kickstarter campaign and i want to say a year ago i don't completely remember and i know what you get with kickstarter it was about 45 bucks i i can only imagine i ordered it when i was high pretty sure hi one night and thought that this was a good idea but it finally came and i would say it's pretty good uh it has bluetooth and its own uh four and its own dongle in there for 2.4 g my only one small complaint is that the dongle rattles around in the bottom there so i've actually just blue tacked the dongle in there the battery's out a bit of weight um i like it i like the tank mouse um i think that it's facing almost an impossible challenge to replicate the original because the original first of all had a cable coming off here and the original had a big old ball in there it wasn't certainly was not optical back in the day and i think that if this feels it does feel light because it is light because optical mouses are light these days there's nothing to them um i was wondering if maybe i should open it up and add some weight to it but i think you know what it needs ultimately is a ball there going around and then it would have the authentic feel so i want to give credit to the the the guys who made this it's a kickstarter i think they're gonna sell it later i think they've done i like it and i don't want to sound negative i think they've done the best job they could you know given this is an optical mouse and this is not the real thing it looks great um so i'm i'm it looks it looks really nice actually uh the retro bro said it looks like a garage door opener which is pretty accurate actually good it's not this computer so i could do it yeah you just do that yeah i i uh that's funny why has anyone made a a modern day mouse with the ball in it still is there still one that would be not a man i mean why not that would be funny i mean it's probably too expensive it's probably too expensive to make now uh yeah i was gonna go to some of the the chat here super mega graphics does this amiga mouse work with itari jaguar i've heard they were compatible sorry weird question not a weird question at all so this mouse is first and foremost uh bluetooth or you can use the 2.4 g dongle it's got its own dongle inside uh so that's a modern thing because it's a modern actually it's a modern mouse it's optical as i understand on the kickstarter there was a stretch goal where they had some sort of adapter dongle thing that i think went from this to like the old db15 amiga style the same site the same thing that's on a genesis that same port that was what amigas had the joysticks had so i'd i pretty sure the atari jaguar had the same one so i would go to the kickstarter page for this i know they're trying to produce some dongles that would do it but it's basically a usb to db15 solution it's not native or something like that but the ball yeah i mean it's going to be a lot of engineering i can imagine this is not not easy but not like ground not not rocket science to put this one together even though i appreciate the work of the kickstarter guy but i would yeah i need a ball i mean look how to say uh creating a new ball mouse maybe easier than creating a new crt so maybe yeah yeah i'm sure probably maybe everybody asks where to go make sure you could ship you could ship a ball mouse you know true you can't ship a crt very easy which by the way i posted on twitter i i went on ebay this last week and i found somebody listing some 2030s uh so many pvm 2030s they listed two of them they're in new york and uh they listed them for 350 a piece but for some reason they sent me a message right away saying they would take 10 off them for me because i because i had bought from them before and i was thinking i bought from this person before so uh they wanted 80 dollars 80 something dollars to ship so after tax and after my discount i bought each of them right away for 413 dollars a piece and that was with the shipping and the discount and my tax sales tax and then uh i start getting these messages from them hey um we want to know if you want to do freight on your shipment we don't think we could ship them and i'm like oh yeah i remember you i remember buying from you these are the same people that sold me that ellipis that like two months ago came and was broken into 100 pieces i think and they barely packed it because i asked them i said do you know how to pack this properly yes yes yes so now they're saying they don't know how to pack it and then they want me to they were like well you can arrange freight or come pick it up i said listen here you guys already took 165 dollars for shipping you figure it out i said here's how you pack it you can't see the thing about the 2030 it doesn't have all the knobs and all the breakable pieces so you can't actually pack that one the 20 inch one and ship it safe on ground i said that you could pack it properly um or you could call you ship and they just i said i expect you to ship it to me if it breaks i'll file for return like last time and if not uh i don't know what to tell you because i'm again i'm like how many times do you have to have something happen to you when you figured out when like changer because you're like why did this person if you don't want to ship it you shouldn't elicit with shipping really so they've already taken the money for it is there any possibility that you could uh i don't know just look you look it's not good but you got to get yourself out of a sticky situation you know could you call the what's that company that we keep talking about that does the you find the quotes online to ship it what's that company you always use you ship which i which i offered to them i said look set up on you ship and and here's what you do go do it and they said oh we have a trucking company we work with but you'll have to pay them and i was like oh no i won't i was like you can and again at the end of the day if they're going to go ahead and like cancel the sale then they can cancel the sale and just get me out of it and do whatever but they're not i'm not going to like pay them any extra or anything to you know they could they could figure that out it's up to them now they either ship it to me through a shipping means the problem is is they want me to go through a freight company that won't even ship like they won't ship to but like an hour and a half from here like they want to ship it to a central place and charge more money and that's why i said you ship but they wouldn't use you ship i said well i'm not interested then what could you say i don't i just i'm trying to play devil's advocate here because i don't know all the details and i know you're in it is could you arrange the you ship but you're like yo you're gonna give me that 160 bucks back because you're not shipping it anymore yeah so you don't get the shipping fee you get the 160 back and then use that maybe a little bit more i don't know i would then organize your own you ship i would do that but then i have to trust that this ebay seller will actually like open the door when the you ship driver gets there and actually answer my messages and like do all this stuff because i'm the one organizing it whereas if it's them organizing it the you ship driver goes to them at their scheduled time and then they just come and drop it off at my house so it doesn't matter whether i'm there right if if whether i'm there so that's that's i that's a good point but at the same time then i'm trusting this ebay seller a little bit more than i should and i'm taking on more sure and you don't seem to want to trust them yeah i mean there's no real reason to there are a couple of guys in new york hey there's a fucking guy over here right this guy he's up in the i don't know the tennessee or something i don't know where he is me to ship the fucking crcs i don't know what's up i do a terrible new york action i know i got nothing i don't know how new york people talk that that's uh yeah that might be the worst uh new york accent we've ever had on our show before by far so congratulations louis i work it out excellent okay so if you don't do it then you just we'll just get it money back lost and yeah or here's the other thing which is what the most likely scenario both the monitors show up broken maybe i can make one good one out of the two depends how bad they are broken both of them show up broken and i get all the money back and end up with a bunch of stupid parts that are broken that's that's that's probably about 50 chance what happens because i don't think they're gonna probably if they ship it i figure and that's clearly such a dumb outcome but if it's not shipped to you they're just gonna afraid it someone else is gonna see that 350 deal on you on ebay yeah some other the next guy coming along is gonna think yep oh yeah you say they're gonna ship it this is great yeah so that's the thing if they knew they don't this is somebody who sells a lot of stuff they sell big stuff all the time they know about shipping get people dragging on your all right well yeah so the other thing i just wanted to talk about i thought this was kind of a funny thing i just saw this um and somebody's twitter feed and i tracked down all the like link articles and they all seem to be going back to this for like their reference point this torrentfreak.com i've linked this in the description of the video as well as jenovi's video so if anybody wants to go check that out check the description they're linked in there and because we're doing this all under fair use so don't even try to come back and steal our video later on okay lewis don't worry i'm only messed up your view so anyway i wanted to talk about this because i thought it was funny i saw uh nintendo hacker gary bowser which this always doesn't this always just seem like a fake story to begin with bowser uh he was released from federal prison so um anyway he was released from federal prison the guy's in his fifties he has been ordered to pay uh he's gotten out on early release but he's been ordered to pay like all these millions of dollars to nintendo and it's basically impossible they said he's paying a 30 of his income to nintendo till he pays them back like 14 million dollars and he's 53 and they were they were saying so far he's paid him back 175 which is a third of the money he made working at like the the prison laundry mat you know so um anyway he was released he's out and if if they said that he would have to earn 40 million dollars over his lifetime to pay off this nintendo debt but until until that's paid off he basically has to have his wages garnished by nintendo for 30 every every damn payment he receives isn't that crazy 30 tax and the government's gonna still take their cut off the top so this guy's i mean sorry he's an example um so first of all let to kind of go back to the beginning gary bowser is not someone who just distributed some roms on reddit and then got caught or hey i was downloading the super mario rom and my isp i didn't use a vpm and my isp called me this is not it they were creating as i understand they were creating devices physical devices the hack switches and then selling them so this is a long time ago too like ten years ago now is when they were actually accused of starting this so like that's that's that's back when these products were new quite new uh oh roger's in the chat as well file bankruptcy tell nintendo to go stuff it live your life so is that a thing is that real can i that's what i was wondering see the other thing the more i read about this is bowser is was in prison in washington uh or in the united states and then he act but he actually is from canada so is there the same thing in canada are you allowed i mean that's what i don't know is they have bankruptcy laws like that i'm sure that's it's looked at that's what i said what's the eventual outcome here do you uh the guy should file bankruptcy if he can and get rid of that i'll be you know or some kind of debt i don't know maybe that's part of the judgment against him is he's not allowed to file bankruptcy and and so uh it did say in here that nintendo was running to make is that a possibility roger that somewhat like the court could rule that this man is or is bankruptcy my united states constitutional right that i am allowed to go bankrupt uh i'm not sure yeah because he can't go bankrupt over student debt isn't that it like yeah one in it yeah in the united states you can't go bankrupt or you can go bankrupt from things there's different levels of bankruptcy and some stuff you still end up having to pay off a lot of times um that so it it's it's a dodgy situation i i felt like if this guy did have to pay if like there was no way to get out of it at what point does he like fake his own death and buy a fake passport and like a new identity and go make money as like john schmidt or something instead of instead of bowser nobody believe it i mean bowser versus nintendo what he needs to do is he needs to hook up with the other famous john who is working in this same area john mccaffey he needs to pull up john mccaffey and head into the jungle and live like james bond on that beach in thailand or whatever for a while and go off pieced and then all of a sudden he shows up in the back orders of russia and the next time he's in conflict zone in africa he needs to take a few lessons from mccaffey that guy doesn't give a you know he's gone off he's dead he's dead anyway now oh yeah he died that's right yeah this is it there's a connection here i'm sure of it this is yeah see so but he did man he ran off the grid he had how about when he ran around with like they said coven was was new and he goes and like goes to airport wearing like a a pair of lace thong panties as his mask okay tell me you're again we're talking about people tell me you're trying not to get attention right like you're obviously an attention whore if you're like really on the run from the government and everybody you say you're on the run from i'm not i'm not gonna pop my head up to make eight hour live streams you know with people and then make sure i go to the airport with panties on my face the uh the the john mccaffey one was super interesting because he was you know going certifiably crazy as you just stated right like go go full off piece go full nuts but there's still a product out there called mccaffey antivirus and that company is owned by intel and i was so curious how intel corporation was going to deal with one of their ip's is unexcusably tied you can't tear it away from the man you could say like oh he doesn't own it anymore his name is still there yeah but americans are stupid like that they don't they can't put two and two together and um you don't like so when you go to the antivirus no well if you go yeah i don't know you know people will still go and preferably buy that like over you'll go from an office depot or office store xyz and i guarantee you can find a copy of mccaffey on the shelves to buy right it says something about brand recognition doesn't it is it is like it's all about it's about like coca-cola right how did coca-cola become the biggest soda drink in the world when it was linked uh obviously to cocaine in its original formula it's all just it doesn't matter at some point with brands they kind of transcend what they started from because if you said if you said that word to i guarantee you ten americans on the street nine eight or nine of them are gonna say oh the antivirus software they're not even gonna bring up the guy who started it maybe as well of all the sins and crimes that john mccaffey has alleged to have committed it seemed pretty cool you know like he wasn't touching kids or fiddling around with something like that no no it's not the kid divire well right in the jungle taking all the russians running away from this dude to get some small government in africa you know i like i don't know kind of badass but you know crazy person dangerous not good but yeah i mean he's no duck bowser he's no gary bowser let's put it that way you know right yeah he's not a horrible criminal like him he wouldn't sit around and and pay nintendo the rest of his life he said i'm not making an income anymore people are just giving me money like i'm another friend that's what he said i heard on something and they're like how do you give me how do you make money and he's like oh i just i just leech off all my friends that's what he said he's like i don't own any property in my name nothing's in my name it can't be he said you know so he's just basically yeah i thought i think they kind of you know he was actually canceled by governments right it's not like like he was treated with an embargo kind of like north korea or something where it's like you're not allowed on our currency system right he was like kicked off the currency platform and stuff so it's yeah it's an interesting buddy he was embargoed he was canceled by a government yeah that's called being found guilty of something or they really don't like what you're doing whatever it is that's exactly what trump is going to walk out of that courthouse and go i've been cancelled the government has canceled me so they found you guilty it's called government cancelling that's yeah and it doesn't oh my gosh wait lewis i don't know what the hell is going to happen in the next election cycle because i just always sit back and watch the fires burn really yeah because it's it's just become such a it's literally such a circus such as seems like a circus from a father literally that's the best word for all of it kind of i mean it seems like you guys are just trying to get on with you and i mean like you guys i mean everybody in america most normal people you got a family you're getting by you know like what's it like to see the republic burning around you that's just disappointing more and weird you know it's not it's not anything you know so that's why i'm i sit here and we're talking about just the the things the things the government like chooses to crack down on like here you have a judge that's like with nintendo and they're going yeah we need to send a message to pirates everywhere and people who think piracy is cool they literally said that in these articles that the the people were the part of the argument to give them the most penalty they could was that they wanted to send a message that piracy had up until this point looked really cool online and had this like oh that's awesome sticking it to the big man and they're like so we need to really send a message by throwing away bowser i know when i'm in a bar trying to talk to girls i'm usually like yo baby i got a bunch of nintendo roms at home downloaded them without knowing that's how cool yeah you better take away that cool stigma yeah by sending a dude to jail you're going to make stuff less cool i do you know anything about kids nintendo have you ever ever dealt with a child before is it just me and melville sitting in that guess what it looks cool oh wow so it looks like bob showed up oh he's bob yeah he was out he's uh i had i want to thank bob i i i put a cameo well i say a cameo of bob in my last video you can go check it out if you want to um i haven't watched you a lot i'm terrible it's actually short so thank i was gonna watch your one and then you're like you gotta watch jenovi and i'm like ah well yeah right that's why i didn't go on my website or my page and go yeah watch this video real quick before we go live but it's like we've been talking for an hour and that's about the length of that video right the cathode ray podcast when a communist eastern european and american good ol boy come together on behalf of scan lines it's all right the cold war's over we're able to come together we should use that as like quotes famous quotes about the podcast right get it we'll get all of our friends to have a quote and that's like that's bob's bob's gonna start the worst things possible about us exactly the wrong they say something about us without that name them oh oh goodness well yeah so bowser's out he's gonna have to pay nintendo for the rest of his life if he wants to keep being called bowser yeah is that all this is that's all this is it's just a copyright name thing they're pissed off the bowser did it yeah i'm the head of nintendo isn't that gary no he's the other bowser dog dog bowser wait the bad dude is dog wait no which one is which sorry i'm confused gary bowser is the bad canadian and dog bowser is the good american who runs nintendo yeah gary bowser the canadian what if you know what they should do i don't know why they haven't done this why didn't they why don't they give it they should give this guy a deal where he has to come out and be like the freaking butt joke of nintendo the rest of his life and they'll they'll kick off his dead every time right like he comes over there dresses up like bowser and lets somebody come over and whack him in the in the ass with like a paddle and he goes and it's just like all right good job bowser that was a that was a good appearance we're gonna take we're gonna take a shave a little off the top and then like once like they're not just once a week once a week to come to nintendo headquarters get his paddling from daddy bowser and then he can go on his way yeah and then at the end of it you could do uh like the the climax would be here in america they have this silly show where they take celebrities on and they give them like dna tests and they find out if they're related like so that's what they do they give them dna tests they find out gary is related to the ceo of nintendo their long lost cousins their long lost cousins and then they come together and love each other except uh they still aren't forgiven his whole debt so he's still got to come out there and get paddled once a week paddles every week sorry in the in a lobby of nintendo new york or wherever they are not in japan they're not cruel literally what if they said that hey we'll we'll chop a hundred thousand dollars if every week you come down here and take a paddle it'd be pretty tempting i want the whole true i want the whole thing like come on that's one point two million dollar payday they probably try to they probably the government would probably try to tax that as income you've got a he's never paying that off anyway you're never it's not like there's 10 million extra on nintendo's books or something he's never paying it anyway so why not do something crazy the paddling public ridicule that's not a thing that we're allowed to do anymore and then you say well nintendo is going to get a bad reputation what the fuck do you think they're doing now that man i feel like that would be a righteous form of justice let's go back to a paddling public humiliation thing where they do send a message and um i had this discussion see i've been you know i have young kids they're in schools and they can't do things obviously to them today that they could when i was even in school and um like uh my my kids always laugh because my first day of school i got i i smelled a smarted mouth so bad in first grade that they sent me to an office and spanked me like with a paddle and school at school in my first grade so i always tell my kids that they're always like oh dad you were so bad you got spanked the first day of school at school um but when i was in high school and this would have been the year 2000 year 2001 there was a shop class at my high school and if you got in trouble in the class the teacher he was a like a kind of creepy like very silent military ex-military type war glasses thin always very attentive kind of cool but also kind of like wacky and he's seen some shit in vietnam yeah and he's like he says now i do have i'm the only teacher that still offers this program in my class where if you get a detention uh you can either go to your detention like everybody else or you could come in and i and take three paddlings from him in the shop so no shit they were guys in my class that were smart asses and they would pick to go get paddled by this guy like after and before class it's weird as shit i'd ever see it like grow like i mean these were guys big dudes like getting paddled by this guy it's just like what the fuck is going when okay first of all i got questions about the paddling when you said it was before after class was it in front of other students no no no it was that was the thing it was like it's not done in front of anybody it was like this whole process he was telling us about it's not done in front of anybody we'll go back there in the shop and it'll be before after class you take your paddlings and then you just go on and there'll be no detention that's so i was like it's before you but take it but the thing is is what it was the only shop class left in school that you could get a real credit for so it was highly uh desired between the slacking men or boys okay i mean everybody wanted to be in there and then all your friends were in there and you just tried to be such not like the guy wasn't even like you had to really push his buttons to get him to give you a detention and that's the same thing we're always like man you got to actually go get pat you're actually going to take the paddling that's what i was like you're actually one of my buddies he's like man he was a real jackass that day and you know just acting like a clown and he's finally like you get it detention and i was like he's like i'm taking the paddling i was like i got a few more paddling questions what okay you're going to take the paddling take the paddle it's first of all when they paddled was it bare butt or over the pants i see no it wasn't bare butt no that would have been that would have been way inappropriate my guy i see i'm surprised my friend wasn't he wasn't he wasn't the most clever a wittiest of us because it would have been me i would have been like i'd have come out and go well everything was okay until i he asked me to pull my pants down and grabbed my eye base and what what were they being paddled with oh he had it was like you ever seen the movie dazed and confused oh yeah but i was in that state they were dazed and confused well back then so there's obagnia there's all these seniors chasing around like kids who are going to be freshmen in high school for her with with paddles that are like they say like whip your ass and like 50 spankings on it and they're like these frat boy paddles is what they used to call it because they combat no it's this big ass look at this golly man i think that would he what would he do let me show you what he would use let me that's what it was he would literally use all right we're just gonna do it live here on stream bring it up bring it up and um we're gonna see what google says i'm not gonna man my stupid uh let's see youtube i can see let me let me scroll this down a little bit so i can get keep you on the screen resize everything oh yeah we see you there in the corner yeah okay you can take a bit of me it's all right yeah yeah take a bit of me we're dismissing that but we're gonna look this up and i'm just gonna type this for everybody man come on there we go frat pa let's see what frat paddles shows up as images frat paddle just like this baby frat paddles dude they look like this this is what they would look like it would have like frickin vietnam vietnam veteran like this i gotta wait until the delay i gotta wait to see on the screen because you can't wait oh yeah like something that would use in a kitchen that's what i was like big ass paddle the big old paddle oh god i don't want to be in your friend boy and so he would give you a good old swing and three dude he had one of these hanging hanging on like the wall in the shop it was just hanging there it's the strangest class ever i had there was one time um he would do like his own version of the like i don't know what you even call it the redneck olympics because he had like a pull-up bar back there so he'd see who everybody who could do the most pull-ups and um all this other weird random like short contest things nothing really that crazy but the one thing that i whooped everybody's ass at i don't know how there was an anvil pull like he freaking set up a like 20-yard anvil pull do you know what an a like a blacksmith anvil show like show he had two gigantic anvils that weighed like 150 pounds each i don't know 200 pounds each and he would he would tie a rope to your waist and then there'd be somebody next to you same setup and then they'd say go and whoever pulled the anvil past the finish line first wins and i'm surprised i didn't either like shit my pants because he like so you're the king of the like wait so you're doing you're like a big ox that's what i basically was was like it was like the ox competition we got the ox competition and you're gonna you're and if you're not good you're gonna get paddled afterwards somebody asked if paddle had engraving i'm pretty damn sure it said like united states marine or like vietnam veteran yes it said semper fi i'm sure there yeah holy crap that's like i never got uh never got paddled at school i think i was too late for that my father would have got paddled at school before that but i i do get when i was younger i got some spankings we would call them which sounds horrible it sounds like something you're gonna go do with a uh a cut like what are your your escorts at the amsterdam or something oh you want a spanking i'm gonna pay stormy daniels and we're gonna be doing stuff like this right that's exactly though but i got some of that but never at school i'd never ever experience anything and i think even when i went sort of the 80s for us in australia if the kids if the school had done something that would have been already then in the 80s too much like they weren't allowed to touch it at school you know give you that court what we call the corporal punishment you know i don't know if that's a court yeah capital corporal yeah capital punishment yeah well there's always been a fascination with hazing in america we've always loved it well i always love to dress up in dark dark outfits in dark rooms and paddle each other that's how that's how i made it into the retro a little naughty all light covered outfits i don't know whatever you guys over there hey white sheets the same thing right yeah there you go oh there we go see that's what i'm now what i have to do steve now that i made a kkk reference oh god 10 years i'm i'm gonna have to now in 10 years uh disown that we're gonna put a disclaimer in front of this it's a bad comic that we're gonna you know it's gonna tamper now what everything i do is going to reflect on you steve how could you do that how could you know how could i support such a man as says when i know what he really is all about right exactly with these shitty kuklax clan references how could we be in support of that yeah what a what a what a wonderful thing well let's uh yeah there's there's there's some fun stuff for everybody we've we've kind of gotten through all our topics today so eat that roger we have roger roger's not listening because he's off making a lot of money he can't he can't listen to us right now over the sound of the i gotta go uh i gotta go let's take this small business to court for not having a big enough sidewalk and then the old lady slipped on it we haven't seen roger for a while because he's sitting back he just won that case with nintendo and he put that bowser guy away he made an example example of him told the judge to say that oh man so like what uh have you got any cool like retro projects going on what i've been doing i haven't had many videos recently because first of all i've been doing real world things here but what i've been doing a lot at home is i've been working on my network setup at home and i've been building out the home server so have you i've got the retro nas machine do you have your retro nas machine steve is that functioning at the current time sorry i just got a piece of ice in my mouth so yeah it still functions it's just sitting there i haven't my time to play games has not been really i haven't really had much time to do anything like gaming um so no but i it's still there so i was working on uh this is going to sound like old news to a lot of people but i basically i discovered there's this uh systems admin tool on on linux and other systems called docker and docker lets you install a lot of other stuff on your server really really easy it's great and one of the and i set up a bunch of stuff on my home server i've now got the mac time machine backups go automatically to my retro nas or that machine through a docker instance uh i'm running uh some some tools to help me write things like that but one thing so what i've been coding it took me a couple of weeks to code was uh i have in our business in the business that i run where a booking agency for comedians and we get inquiries someone's got a party and still we've got a salesperson and so we have a crm we use pipe drive it's an astonian company it's a so-so product but it's an astonian product so we use it and we our salesperson uses the crm someone comes in they put the deal info in there comedians however do not want to use a crm do not understand a crm and it costs actually costs a lot to get extra seats so it's not worth it uh comedians want to just look at a calendar and they just want to see like next week there's a calendar entry and it gives me all the details of the show that i have to go perform at that's what comedians want to see so i wrote a tool previously uh that what it does is it syncs between the crm and the calendar so if you make a new deal in the crm it'll take that info and stick it in a google calendar it looks at the date so okay salesperson says date uh it's meant for may 15 and then it makes an entry and also if uh you make an update it finds the calendar entry and then updates that calendar entry so it's always in sync the crm is always in sync with what the comedians need to see on the calendar and i used to use a tool called zappia which is a you can get it it's a service and it costs me about 25 to 30 bucks a month so i was fairly inspired to get rid of this tool yeah see you later supermega graphics so i found uh anyway a tool that could be a replacement it was called n8n it's similar functionality but it is you can run it on your home server but i had to basically take a lot of code and port it to this new system it wasn't a thing but i had to learn the system i had to port a bit of javascript but i did in the last few days get it running so from i i set up that server on my home instance and i also had to set up a tunnel into my server so because the pipe drive when it gets an update on an event oh sorry when it gets an update about a deal it sends a uh a hook sends a what am i what am i saying it fires off an trigger it fires off pipe drive sends out a thing and says hey do you know there's been an update but if it can't get into my network then it could never get that update so i even learned how to use cloud flare cloud flare tunneling so now i have a port an ssl port that comes into my home server so the pipe drive can tell my home server there's been an update and then it goes out and makes the google calendar code to do that long story but i've spent a lot of time coding javascript and doing this but i got it going it works it's solid everything's really nice and now i save 25 bucks a month nice having done that myself so that means i can go out and spend a few hundred extra on my home server because i'm like i saved so much money of course i can buy the 8 gigabyte nas setup now yeah that's great sorry that's big so i've been doing a lot of home coding a home home server stuff uh like that i finally got that going again and i was i'm thinking i've got the next video lined up i just need to get some stuff but because the next video is going to be why why you i will never buy a famicom disk system and i already have two of them but that's why you're never going to buy it it's because you have two of them so i'm going to talk about the the fds stick is the fds stick is an emulator famicom disk system that plugs into the original famicom so uh yeah i'm gonna do that i've got to get my famicom disk stuff at a storage but i feel like making a video again i guess i've been so caught up in life here and trying to do business and hooking up that stuff that yeah sometimes life passes you by and all of a sudden i'm like oh it's been weeks since i've made a video tell me about it i can definitely catch up with you what about for you because at least i mean you're working on set so it's relevant but how is it for you to yeah i've been doing a lot of streams as i did a lot of you work that in i did a lot of streaming last month and then um it would have been literally like 32 days since i actually made a video so i released the one yesterday and then uh it didn't do great it went like nine of 10 which i don't really care but i was i was still like whoa i don't know what's gonna happen because i haven't released a video this has been the longest stretch ever since release in a real video and uh so i i'm not really as concerned about that thankfully i mean the thing i figure is my videos more now are um i get i'm getting to do more about like things that i actually want to do and it doesn't just have to be one set of things i feel like and then even if there's not um i feel like the same people are probably going to watch that normally would watch anything just about but as far as videos i i so i did the stream uh two days last last week where i rgb modded the crt um on the stream and i went back and downloaded the shows and so one show was like two hours and 15 minutes of me just building the skirt head right and i was like damn that's so that's long so i went in and i was like i'll make this into a regular video because nobody's gonna watch that anymore that it's a live stream it's off in the ether so i downloaded it and i cut the two hour stream down to like just i think it was like six five six or seven vital minutes out of that whole two hours so i i had been making a video where i shot some new segments like a beginning and then i edited in that section and then now i saw the middle and i'm ready to go into the section where it's modding the set but again it's the same thing it's like me watching a playback and like literally cutting out 90 percent of two hours of work maybe 95 to get down to like a presentable video sounds reasonable sounds right what i would expect and then what i'm gonna do is it'll have new back i actually filmed some good stuff but i'm gonna try to edit right where i can put like a composite video image next to the rgb modded image because i did the same cycle kind of same recording sequence for each little clips so hopefully i can get that edited and add that at the end is like a showcase on it so yeah that's what that's what i'm working through it takes a long time though to burn through those like cut through they all there's nothing in here important to put in the video editor pay a video editor yeah i don't have any money yeah okay because i've made videos so i don't have money right don't have money to pay a video editor what's your thoughts so how are you feeling so far you've done uh this is one sort of stream and we're getting into this uh and that's a different sort of stream where you sit there and work how has it been for you to have that camera on the whole time where you're doing your work i haven't i haven't watched all of them i have a bit i haven't watched the two hours so now they're talking given commentary through it how do you feel about projecting yourself on because you're on when the camera's on you're on there's a little bit of like you know it's not just sitting at home on your own doing work when the camera's on even if you're not saying anything how do you deal with that for long how's that been for longer periods of time well i'll be so here's the mindset i've worked around with this whole thing i've i think of it as a situation where um there's generally between 30 to 40 people peak times on the stream sometimes more than that when i'm doing these so the way i consider it is it's just like a class right like a like a high level class you walk into and uh so i try to just stay on kind of a mission but at the same time if i if there's a portion i mean sometimes i just tell people hey i'm not i'm not able to go through the chat during this period because i'm working on soldering but you know back and forth um i find it really has been great for the most part besides the camera issues i always have everything else on the setup's been pretty good so you've been enjoying doing that on stream and it feels like a relief like i do you feel like you're sharing it you're sharing your work a bit or how does that make you feel so it's so the problem is it's like you can't um like i know it's not much but you can't you can't quantify the difference you're not making it nearly as much your ad revenue isn't the same on like a regular video so doing only live streams there's no yeah and you got to worry about spammers and things but doing live streams is more about just being in the in the moment and doing whatever you're wanting to do and not so much thinking about oh i could be possibly in front of a million eyeballs that will never happen so it's not like there's nothing really to be nervous about but when i but see then i realized too when i go back and uh and i like edit a video i chop a lot of stuff out you know that alright as you should it right and i don't know that my pacing right you're like thinking about your pacing then in a video as opposed to a live stream you're not really so concerned about being on a certain pace or things i think sure that's what like you say like i know i'm getting annoying with this topic right you say you don't have any money for a video edit but then how many how long did it take you to edit that video that's that's your time i know i well to go back and do that that's the cost you're right it's just uh and i don't know maybe the video would do better within the editor as opposed to me doing it or would it be equal and it just means that you haven't spent that time of your valuable time i think edit it down and maybe make me a separate like you said like it's a bit weird or maybe a second opinion is good maybe having a separate person to do that is a nice to say like not say this is the real interesting bit right here you're right and that's that's a great point i always have more people look at it i think that uh i think that when i get down to it i'm gonna have to do that if i want to edit it because this is the first one i've done and if i tried to do the same thing on the other streams that are three hours long i'd drive myself nuts you know probably oh my goodness now roger's back now he's back from his lunch miss his opportunity roger we needed you and you went to lunch i hope it was worth it how many hundreds was the bill for lunch how many bottles of domperion two-star michelin lunch where they served him you know a turtle ass a turtle ass on like a perfect ritz cracker roger roger's having the michelin star steve has lunch in the garage with the michelin tires it's a different sort of michelin star yeah yeah maybe someone can help you although i wonder steve uh also one thing that i've been figured a lot of my mind is uh this ai stuff right yeah that's really coming to a head right now and i do wonder if the ai could analyze my text like what i was doing was pumping in videos it would transcribe it and then analyze the text and say hey this is an interesting part this is an interesting part it's not that far away from being able to then give those time codes automatically to some editing program which then chops them up which is halfway there imagine that imagine if you could just pump in a two-hour live stream and it gives you it gives you a good video or something right a rough something back it doesn't have to be the best edited video or it gives you back a final cut or it gives you a premiere pro project back that it goes like here's the best 10 minutes and you can just edit move a rearrange stuff like that every time i do something right now i i've got this almost like a worry and a fear that what i could be doing could be done by ai oh i know what you're saying i'm dying from the chat here because bob and uh eight bid Esquire are going crazy back and forth just killing me we were talking about paddling on the cat corporate punishments he said i didn't know how steve was catholic i'm dying this is just too much now anyway yeah so i know what you're saying i think that somebody that's already edited video would would be on top of that right yeah they might be if editors are out there i think everyone's now like so many ai stuff is popping up so quickly i've got this one tool that i've been using i even paid the guy a little money because i like it so much you just speak into the web page and it records you transcribes you and gives you back a summary of what you just said and you can make it like as long as what you said or short you can change the style and it gives you that executive summary very good if for example you spoke in a bunch of weeb and you got a really good idea and the wife slash girlfriend slash person who's in the house doesn't want to listen to your high friggin ramblings nobody wants to hear that shit so talk it into the ai and then in the morning you've got this set up of like nicely arranged summaries of your thoughts last night genius how how long till you like look at the i mean i would feel like i'd look at the playback and be like oh shit i've got to burn this because if anybody else reads this they're gonna throw they're gonna throw me in the mental asylum that's why the summary that's why it's beautiful the ai this person is a lunatic when is ai like said the send the squad out for hey this this person might be a little loony you better be careful there was a goofy ass segment on like 60 minutes about google's ai and it was just so cheesy the way that like the big name reporters did it uh and in there like i mean i don't i don't usually pick on people for their age but this guy you know scott whatever his name is it's just it feels like such a boomer segment like because that's all people watching it i think is like the people that are like 60 minutes yeah 60 minutes yes it's like i'm like god this is just so segmented towards them and it's like such a oh my gosh like this this ai from google turned these five random words i said into this walt whitman level poem that it's a big fucking dude is sitting there with tears like in his eye like how could this be possible it's like what are you silly stuff we gotta work out like what happens if uh if you train the ai on the do we talk about this god i can't remember if you if you train the ai on a drake song and then the ai writes a drake song well then who wrote it is drake's intellectual property is that what happens if you listen to a lot of drake because you're steven you love that shit and then you write a drake song that's okay but if the ai does it that's not okay i don't know we're still learning wait like we've got a lot of social uh contracts that are about to be torn up about how we do stuff and i love it i love a bit of anarchy so i'm really excited i think that's why i feel happier in the last few weeks i've understood i've started to sink in how much ai is gonna fuck with our society and i like it i like it's exciting this is like i like the idea that it's gonna fuck up and change society because we need like it's no fun we just go through life and everything's the same and boring am i one of those guys got an insane one dead and thinks oh that looks like an interesting life way more interesting than my life i wish the zombies would come maybe it's a little bit of that that would be terrible though you couldn't like i mean at the end of the day you couldn't like just go relax and you could never like relax could you imagine being in the in the walking dead and trying to smoke like a weed like a joint holy shit you'd be so paranoid like if because you wouldn't have smoked for god knows how long and then you're like damn i i don't know man maybe i should do it the guy coming along you if you want some you have it there was some movie i watched that was similar to that with like vigo mortensen where he did that he like stumbled across it was some post apocalyptic movie kind of like that where it was like months after some kind of virus killed a bunch of people but it was more or less i think people that were the people that were left were just downright dirty right because they would just like cannibalize everybody who's left half of them it's always gonna be the dirty ones that'll laugh but i can't i can't remember the name in the movie but that's what he did like he falls he finds this shelter that somebody had left and there's like weed in it he smokes adobe and then like some crazy shit goes down of course right when he smokes it's like so yeah paranoid 20 20 000 is it the road i was thinking the road but i was gonna say it's like i've read like three zombie books and i didn't want to say like i've been i've been is that at the road okay i don't know is it kormick mccarthy that's the road right that's a classic oh that's we'll see that's interesting you were talking about call mccarthy because i was i have been sitting around listening to an audiobook of call mccarthy all freaking weak uh you want to guess what it is it's no uh blood meridian have you ever heard of it i've heard of it but i don't know it okay it's like the video it's like the movie no one can make because it is so freaking everything you talk about like this book's full of it all because it's set in the cowboy days 1840s okay and it's it is written the way it is written is like similar to god it's like beautiful um like paradise lost shit it's like way over your head like milton you know this is like high level almost you got a really intense like the way it's written really paints a good picture see when i was when i was growing up i used to love my grandmother would read me cheesy westerns like books and i just sit there and listen to her so i was listening to this i was like damn this is like that only like with crazy stuff happening like super descriptive every kind of nasty thing and death and shit you could imagine going on in this book do you when they speak when the author writes oh you hear the audiobook and very eloquent like poetic what you're saying like this real rich language do you understand it all because i remember uh okay i was 17 this was probably genuinely the first reasonable girl that i'd ever been on a date with right so i grew up in a small town i'm going somewhere with this bring me i'm bringing it back don't worry i grew up in a small town i go to the big i go to a study camp in the big city me and my friend we decide to con our parents and we're like yeah we need to go study physics uh yeah there's a there's a summer camp in the big yo in sydney in the city we need to go can you pay and we go to the camp we barely attend lectures we just want to hang out and have fun and i meet this girl and she's nice she's from the city we go at like she's you know same year like final year of high school as well and but she comes from like the nice suburb i come from the countryside i'm a bit rough in case you can't tell and she says hey like i don't know i'm 17 we don't know what to do so we'll go to the movies okay and at a really like art house cinema near her they were playing that uh three hour long is it hamlet the shakespeare one the kenneth branna version that's like three hours of hamlet shakespeare and of course there's a hot girl who wants to go do it like be in my presence in any manner whatsoever so i'm like yeah let's go yeah of course i'm fucking cultural i know things yeah let's great and i sat through three hours of kenneth branna hamlet and i did not understand one sentence i have no idea what's happening which in fairness gives me much more chance i'm doing these ones oh you know i'm 17 i don't know what i'm doing i'm like you don't care either you're like i don't want to i'm not i don't give a shit what they're saying as long as she is sitting there next to me in this movie theater i am over the world that i'm just in this place i don't care that i'm not understanding the movie so i still don't because i grew up i went to a very very public school no private school nothing like that we when i went to high school we did not study shakespeare never ever i never i don't know how to read a shakespeare did you at least study a shakespeare in high school steve not much the only thing the the thing i remember was we had a crusty old english teacher that went on and on and on about julius caesar right that whole freaking play which but i don't remember if we're going like the shakespeare stuff was like oh that's reserved for the honors classes u p for the intelligent kids yeah u p on's down here and the low end of the gene pool you just get like you know what we'll give you homer the odyssey and we're like homer simpson hell yeah we get to learn about the simpsons so there was never i'll be honest with that when i was in um i'll never forget moving from virginia to tennessee in this middle school age in america i was in i was going into the seventh grade and i was going from a private school in virginia to a public school in tennessee fucking private school boy yeah and i'll tell you the damn truth is i didn't learn a single new thing till i got to ninth grade i spent two they spent two years when i got there i was in grade i was like this is shit i talked about in fifth grade and it was like the that was what they were i was like i remember talking about this when we started fifth grade so it there was two years where i just i didn't have to learn anything new it wasn't a good thing yeah do you think that stunted you for two years i'm sure right they just coasted through and then uh so it's not i think now i have to intentionally want to do this and like i say i can't put that thing on and just do almost anything you almost have to sit there just daydream and listen to it because you can't if you like try to do other things while it's on you you're gonna lose it you're gonna lose you've got to focus on it you've really literally do you have to if you do give it that attention you you're saying it's worthwhile if you like that kind of thing if you're in of course right i don't know that i think it would be it seems like um at today's day and age i may be able to read the book i just don't know it's been so long since i've picked up a real book i feel like i've read it almost do you feel like you'd be able to read the book i mean obviously you could read you are literate aren't you like i think so yeah i think so but do you mean your attention span is that what you're referencing yeah i don't know i mean i've tried it before and i don't ever actually like make it through the book or uh i just stop something happens and like oh shit i forgot i was reading a book so i don't know you get so used to kind of modern technology now it's not it's not the same as i thought right that's why i thought maybe listen to it but still like listen to an audiobook is like 20 hours on this one or something you got to listen to a less intense book then maybe yeah but this was like oh you got to check this out this is like the most intense book and i'm always like the kind of i don't like i don't really want to work myself up to this i'm going to like jump all the way in so like you would say with hamlet back then i would have been like like you said i wouldn't have given two shits about it i would have been trying to you know do whatever with the girls like i can remember do you remember that shakespeare in love or whatever the hell that oh yeah de caprio movie was so i remember that that movie was rated pg-13 and that was like peak when every kid in the freaking world would go to the movie theater on the weekend at night oh i feel not totally sorry you're not talking about shakespeare in love i think you're talking about romeo and julie oh romeo and julie yeah not shakespeare yeah yeah shakespeare in love was a yeah that's actually a completely different movie yes sorry yes yes yes yeah so and a soundtrack that was all that was where it was but it was a complete it was in that freaking stupid version of the the original script and it was such a pain in the ass to follow and not to mention i remember being in a theater filled with dumbass american kids that are just screaming hollering and i was just so pissed off because i was like i can't believe in which this fucking movie it's full of idiots i can't even hear what these morons on the screen are saying it's like a jerry brockheimer film like where i'm watching transformers flash back and forth across the screen fighting and they're saying god only knows what murmuring in in their uh language so that that stood out to me as something where i was like i hate that and i never i never wanted to go back and watch that movie again that was a similar era i think that that came out around like within the same year span or something so we had these two major shakespeary movies shakespear the romeo and juliet i could understand a little better did i get the second base um not that night i wish because then dad came to pick her up so i didn't know what to do so i just like like you know like i don't know after the movies you like who we weren't waiting did you make out did you what was like what's a memorable movie that you went like with a girl to and made out with or is there anything i do you have any stories i go okay i got a little one here so even before i'm trying to think is it before i met that girl yes before i met that girl uh i had met this other girl also in the city and so she lived like three hours away so it was a long way to travel if you live three hours away we lived this is even before email we got to make phone calls to one another i believe i even sent a letter like not like a love letter just like a letter because that was the only way you could communicate and we uh so i'd live three hours north she lived in the big city but there was like a movie complex like a town with a movie complex halfway in between both of them and this worked to the advantage because uh passion of the christ this worked to our advantage because we were both like anonymous people you know if you go to the local movies you remember and your friends and they're like you know or whatever you don't want to be seen right yeah and of course no girl wants to be seen with me so this is her and i i got i definitely got taken advantage we went into that cinema and that girl knew what she was doing and i got taken advantage of definitely look she she unbuttoned her own she had a button up so she's already come prepared unbuttoned her home because there was no i don't know like i'm happy if i've done this this is like lewis has won as a 17 year old if that happens so you know and jump buttons the shirt and and then it might have been a fish called wonder i think that was around the rain time was that that movie it was the first time i ever went to a movie and i never watched it and i don't want to sound like oh i'm the lord it was more just like dumb lightning struck an idiot and i just happened to get that in one go this girl was like look this is how it rolls and i'm like okay so yeah getting feeling boob in wow the theater when i was 17 uh and the people turned around and looked at us and i was just like i don't know really well i'm not gonna i'm not gonna i'm not gonna cause a scene because i don't know what this is about that you're like hey you better stop watching this girl's 9 18 turn around three well in other words yeah yeah i'm talking about you i'm talking about the person the boyer that's hilarious fish called the first time that i ever got any any action so that was the first place i guess you might say wow answer right just late the first time i'd ever touched a booby and i was happy about it there was bra in the way but it didn't matter i was over the world i left that theater we had a little food i got my train back home and i was sky high this was great great times yeah well you know that's that's an awkward age so sometimes it turns out to be like something like a good experience i had like i would call it an experience i wouldn't call it necessarily good experience or anything so but i would have been about the same age 16 i think 17 because i did have a car and uh this girl she was like the grade under me and i didn't really know her she she had been partying with some friends and i saw her at like a house party and i was like yo you know that girl's cute and i think we like made out at the party or something but this girl was a real like flipper like she would she would be into a guy for like three weeks you know and then like after that a new guy and so she would always be like so you had to like jump i figured you had to jump you have to jump on this girl when the iron's hot because if if you were hot to her that's what i figured out if you were hot to her then you went past that where she you missed the opportunity there was like no ever chance to go back and try to get anything because i was like ah well now i'm horny and i kind of want something you want to know i like this guy now so but anyway this girl and uh i'm one of her friends and then me and a friend of mine and then like 10 other friends that weren't dating like just guy friends yeah and then these two girls and then me and the guy was going with his girlfriend they've been going together for a long time and then me and this other girl were sitting together and it was the movie was gone in 60 seconds gone in 60 seconds with nickley nicky cage and so we get there and i mean we're watching like 20 minutes this movie and i'm not really like like you i'm not thinking much about the i'm watching the movie i'm hanging out with all my friends too and i'm like where's this gonna go and well all of a sudden i look over and the girl and the guy who like are with us that are together she's like like you said she's like super aggressive got her tongue down his throat and then just and then you see her hand down his pants just going and like what the fuck is going on and then like then it starts getting awkward because you're here with the other girl like sitting next to that and then it's like oh so do you want me to do that too and then i was like uh like and your buddies are down there they're like yeah dude tell her yes tell her yes yeah look look nutters finally get some yeah and you're like uh i think so i think i'd like that oh okay let me hang on a second and i remember she just she just she didn't even like she she said oh i know how to take care of this and she literally opens her drink and grabbed a handful of ice fucking ice cubes and immediately shoved it in my crotch pants and i was like what did you just do and she and then she like tried to play it off like oh yeah you like that and i was like what the and it was the most awkward thing and finally i was like enough stop and of course and then like after that there was no there was no recovery like it was like hey so you want to go maybe have like a uh a milkshake after this she was so embarrassed that like that was the last time we really talked or anything and then i just saw her like again like every three weeks hanging on to some other dude and i and i was just telling my friends i was like hey she's on you like one guy i was like hey dude she's on you this week if you want some if you want some ass you better you better get it and he no shit came to me the next week it's like damn man thanks dude oh yeah it was great and then like and then i was laughing because they were this guy and this girl were in a class with me like the same class in high school and all of a sudden it's like three weeks and his time is up and so then he's like all mopey and heartbroken because she's moved on to the next dude and he's been left by and i'm like dude you i told you what this was i was like did you do you think you were gonna catch this girl and make her fall in love who cares she's a freaking 17 year old hoe it's not you'd be walking around just with an empty drink just with ice left in there yeah i'm just like yeah and no that well that was the worst that was the worst part okay i forgot about this the reason it was so awkward and embarrassing on the way home was uh we got back we've grown together i drove her and then the couple so they get back in the car and they're like oh yes how was it was that good for you guys and i'm like what the fuck no what the hell is up with you guys thinking about the ice and then they were like oh ice is good because i think she did it like to him after but she'd been like rob throbbing him for like 20 minutes prior and then put ice on him maybe he likes the ice yeah i was like maybe that's what we said maybe you liked ice i don't and it was just that was it so it's probably a good thing all i got was a handful ice thrown on my genitals by a just sally sally q her name's not really that's and i don't i never knew any that's all right i don't know oh yeah i do remember her name but i'm not saying it i finally remembered it that's hilarious well what a catheter a podcast you thought that the most dramatic thing you were gonna hear about was the pat the nest punk scrap the best bits are always at the end the best bits are always at the end just like the best bits are always at the end especially that when you that's why you gotta give it an ice cap right like oh i don't even know if anybody's still here listening to us besides a few people the great john zini i mean we've gone so off task i hope people are enjoying it thanks very much guys for uh enjoying hanging out with us today i don't know we've been on here for a while what else two hours yeah i mean the last thing like i said ice man ice ice so the last thing is yes look for that look for those projects from louis and my myself i don't know what else we're going to be um we'll try to get so it's go ahead guests bro we got to get better yeah yeah i'm gonna do this offline but i guess to start name dropping the people that we're trying to uh corral into this but we'll talk offline i get those names and i can keep talking with them try to set up that time but that uh i know we want it's not really a secret we could say i know we want to talk to scarlet sprites uh to joe but it's that time thing right because he can only do the evening yeah it's either weekend or four a.m. and weekend's tough you got kids everyone's doing something on the weekend it's a tough one to carve out an hour and a half on against hey i don't like me here maybe they'll want to come on and talk but i doubt it yeah what would they have to gain we're just like helping us i know yeah we're not drama anyway i it even if like even that's a funny thing if we were if we got all these drama people here they would just leave because they would get bored yeah or or unless they really liked it so it's not yeah which i just wanted to bring it up because it was such a long well they hang around long enough they'll hear the ice man story so maybe that'll get the drama people back here to get ice man maybe we just got maybe we got to do the maybe we've got to just do fuck it four a.m. we're gonna do it if we find a day where i don't have to you're four a.m. because that's no my four no my four i'm on volunteer that sucks for you or whatever like you do it at your time and then i'll come along and join that's our evening time yeah exactly exactly but i and i appreciate that that some people including joe karp make it in the middle of the day so if we're ever gonna do it i understand we can't have the weekend maybe we just gotta do it and i'll wake up do my best to be part of it because otherwise we just went you know it's that or not have a cool dude on the podcast so yeah and i mean i could always invite him on to a show but then yeah he wouldn't be on an actual episode of the podcast which would be better right then just you know he can come on live too but it would be good to have him on an actual like i said anytime it seems to me for sure with youtube that anytime you go and you actually make a video it's gonna sit there and be easy people will go and find it later on when they look up somebody as opposed to a live show and a lot of people don't want to watch live playback so understandably you know that would be better for and it'd be better for the guests and everybody too you know yeah we'll make a proper episode we'll do some proper episodes so i'll commit to at least i'll put to one guest i'll try for a m for one guest just because i'm down for the cause and well because i i appreciate it for me it's like 6 p.m 7 p.m is perfect time i i get off real easy on this so maybe it's time for me to do some hard yards get up early do a podcast so we'll work on that maybe next week next week let's see week after his Amsterdam and we know we're not gonna let's not put a thing let's uh we'll we'll try to do uh we'll try to get in touch with ryan too from castlemania and yes he should have he should be able to get on during the day since he's got you know he's a business owner and should have nothing he's not doing nothing just running castle mania sometimes yeah he used to call me and just have two hour conversations about crts but yeah all right everybody well let's uh we're gonna jump yeah we're gonna jump off here i really appreciate everybody uh showing up thank you as always uh for your time luis uh it was a lot of fun and uh thanks yeah go make sure you're subscribed to zez retro of course please go over to zez retro as well subscribe to my channel we got the episodes but uh if you're this far deep you probably already probably happen thanks guys thank you very much we'll get the book the book is coming one day one day the book will happen one million kickstarter i promise you now one million in kickstarter all right everybody see you next time