 here at DevOps Enterprise Summit with theCUBE, with SiliconANGLE. We've been doing coverage sort of all day, lots of videos with a lot of the practitioners, but we're really blessed right now to have Gene Kim, the founder, really the driver of what's going on here at DevOps Enterprise. How are you, Gene? Are you holding up? I'm doing great. I mean, no, I love the, in fact, let's put it this way. There's no three days where I learn more than these events where we're finding kind of spirits, fellow travelers all sharing their journey in terms of, as you and I were talking about earlier, why are you embarking on this journey? What did you do about it? And what were the results? And that being very specific about the practices, the principles, and more importantly, the practices. Right. I told you, this has been as good a conference for me in terms of learning as any that I get to. It's great. We're seeing practitioners. They're talking about how they're doing it. We're seeing patterns start to emerge. What do you say? I mean, you've been around DevOps for a long time. The community that you're around here. What's the state of DevOps today? Is it strong? Is it growing faster than you thought? What's, you know, just highlights? Yeah, I mean, I think in my mind, there's kind of two strong themes that are coming out of this. One is, you have organizations like Target, like Nationwide, Capital One. Capital One, America. We invited them all back this year to share, they were all presenters last year. And in some cases, share how their journey has progressed. But in some cases, with all the ones I had mentioned, the more I learned about their DevOps journey, there was a reason behind that. I even found it more astonishing, right? So Heather Mikman and Roskant from Target talked more about the specific business need of how do you enable developers to get data quickly from the systems of record without waiting six months, right? And it's like, you think about the business value that's created by that. It's just astonishing. Capital One saying they're really, we heard about their journey last year, but what they're really trying to do is build a world-class technology organization because that's what's required in order for them to win in the marketplace. So in some cases, I'm covering the why, was just fantastic. The other category of stories I'm just loving are the people who are embarking upon it now that we haven't heard from. So we're just starting like Western Union, a telegraph company, right? Sure, a paint company. Sure, a paint company, right, exactly. And then US Patent Trademark Office. So I think those are all indications and validation that DevOps really is addressing a need that is in every industry vertical, that spans every company size, profit, not-for-profit, is just I think further evidence of that, which is just great. Right, no, and I think it really highlights, for a long time, all we heard was Netflix and Uber and Airbnb and a lot of people felt like, well, maybe this is just a Silicon Valley phenomenon. I'm excited, I mean, nationwide insurance is here. They're in Columbus, Ohio, Target's in Minnesota. We're seeing it spread into other places and what's really neat is we're seeing people not only say, hey, we did a Skunkworks project, we did a Lighthouse project. I mean, they're building dojos. They're building centers of excellence. I mean, how encouraging is that that you're seeing it spread geographically, which means it's going to hit more regions more opportunities. Yeah, in fact, the talk that I loved so much from yesterday was Dr. Steven Speer from MIT. I'll share about his lesson learned, studying and decoding the Toyota production process 20 years ago and his work with Alcoa and the US Naval Reactor Corps. And one of the capabilities that he talked about that's common in every one of these high learning dynamic organizations is the ability to take local discoveries and turn them into global improvements, right? So local learning can be turned into global learnings and I think this acceleration and when you have someone like Topo at Kappa One or Ross Calantan at Target, they're saying their charter is now elevate the state of the practice across the entire organization. And so now you have practices like the dojo, like internal consulting organizations coaching. I love this, right? Because essentially that really is the next step is we've proven it works in one area and now how do we elevate the state of the practice for thousands of technology workers in the organization? For this conference, I did just a quick estimate. I think there are about 500 plus organizations represented here. I think they represent almost a million technology workers. So think about if we can elevate the productivity of that many technology workers, I mean I think we're talking about significant contribution to the world economy. And I think, and you're a humble guy, I've known you for a while. This is an interesting phenomenon that's going on here and you should be very proud. I know you're not going to want to take all the credit for it, but in the past when you had institutional learning, you had these transformations, they got locked up in consulting companies. This is community sharing with community. I mean you've got, like we talked about, I mean these are big companies that in some cases they compete with each other, in other cases they're complementary, but they're sharing openly, you're driving interaction, like that's got to feel really good and it's reshaping how people are going to try and learn. Yeah, I mean it's so interesting. I mean you and I both saw Team Target hanging out with Team Nordstrom, right? Both retailers, I think a lot of groups that are even in competing industries sharing practices. And I think that is something that's really remarkable. I'll tell you one of the coolest moments for me yesterday was the Target folks said we were, we held our first internal DevOps days inspired by the ING team. And it turns out the three people who held that first seminal DevOps days at ING were all in the room, right? And so to be able to introduce them to each other was I think very, very, it was just neat and I think it just shows how small this community is. Right, I grew up in Detroit so the whole factory mentality I've known for a long time. It's, a lot of people say well the factories went away and automations driven a lot of things. We're starting to see more and more companies and this got highlighted by Capital One where, and you highlighted this, they're showing up at lots of events and to a certain extent they're doing cool things that helps with recruiting. Do you think we're going to see more and more people go, you know it's cool and interesting maybe not to work at the vendor because I'm using community technology and I'm going back to work at some of these, because they're changing business, they're impacting business. Do you think we'll see some of that shift happen? Absolutely, I mean when you talk about, for the CEO of Capital One to say we need to build a world-class technology organization, you know it means that suddenly, in fact Topo talked about his, the first internal software engineering conference and the fact that they had an expo area of 50 booths all manned by Capital One employees showing off their capabilities was just, to be there was just amazing, right? I think it showed off this incredible pride of ownership, a pride of what they're doing and they're selling, right? In other words, it's an internal marketplace and if they don't provide enough value, right, then essentially they are very much competing with external vendors. So I love that, the pride of ownership. The second thing is, to build a world-class technology organization means you need world-class technology workers and I think we all have this intrinsic motivation to work on great things. So I think we're going to see a massive, in the conferences that we've been to many times, every talk ends with we're hiring. I mean, I think it's the competition for that. Those people with those unique skill sets, they're going to get all the more scare, so that's a good thing. So last question, last year, five or 600 people, this year, 1200, you got to be really proud of that growth. What's the, we're seeing all these companies, mainstream management, what's the next big milestone? Somebody from outside might look at it and go, this is really getting more mature, the right maturity for them. Any big milestone you can think of that you expect to see? Yeah, we were talking beforehand about, what is it going to look like for next year? I can't say that we've really been thinking about that much, but I think this is about the right size because we really do want to make sure it has a, it lends itself to kind of the interactions that we've seen all week long. For me, one of the most interesting presentations was the HP presentation. It was the internal transformation of the internal IT organization of HP, serving 300,000 employees, talking about their Salesforce commissioning mobile application and their, the technology support systems. I love this, but what was also very unique about them was that the CIO, Ralph Flora, was talking about, who's overseeing an organization of 8,000 technology workers. And so just to see what DevOps can look like when there is the highest level of support in the technology organization, I thought that was something we hadn't seen before. So I would love to see more of that. It was great, and you should be incredibly proud. I mean, you're driving a lot of this. I mean, the community's driving a lot of this. Thank you for having us. Like I said, this is a great event, tons of energy. People should be really excited if you're looking for great events. This is one, especially for the enterprise. Gene Kim, thank you so much for being on. Keep watching everything here on SiliconAngle.tv. We're gonna have all the videos for the whole week here. DevOps Enterprise Summit, great event. Thank you, here from San Francisco.