 Sessions right we say hello to our first studio guest this Monday night. Jobe Fox. Hello to you my friend. How you doing Paul? I'm really good. I'm really good. Listen. Thanks very much for coming up. Delight to have you and I can't believe it You actually came from Denmark to be up here with us, which is You know people have traveled and people have not traveled, but that's That's taking it to an hour limit Are you here for a few days or did you just come over for the show? I came over for the show essentially But didn't have a family here. You know got a couple of boys living there. Can we so I Just made a bit of a holiday over for a few days I've seen your video up there and I thought to myself he's arriving in style here I said It's probably tight it clean me car all right, you know Never brought the barns, that's all I'm saying But all me probably listen as I say Belfast West Belfast born and bred and Decided down just the upsticks and head over to Denmark fell in love Paul really and you know met Sophie. Yeah 18 years ago and The Sophie from Denmark. Yeah, she's a Sophie Grasmussen, which is a I couldn't even say her name for freaking two weeks so Yeah, I mean Sophie, you know we fell in love and It was only when Brexit came actually that I That I made both me and Sophie decided that we're gonna go back to Denmark We live there, you know, because at that time you may recall Everybody would recall, you know, we didn't know what way it was gonna go, you know, and I've always sung Rory Fox the only Rory The Irish Bell in Denmark what the Rajas is named with the government or anything So we got out there and was settled in and and frankly, I just fell in love with the place, you know, what's the standard of living they go to it's just it's just brilliant, you know It's just it's about it's about what's in people's heads. It's like they're not as comparative as you know, I Get to say this like, you know, but UK Ireland, they're quite compared There's a comparative this thing, you know, where's the deans that pay 50% Tax in the system the kid everything and they don't really talk about money, you know I mean, it's just sort of get on with their lives live their lives enjoy it And I know that so it's horrifying But they're obviously benefit to that the right way everything else they so we country you just like Somewhere They like just leave us alone. We're tucked up here in my main role business Well long and I suppose the language thing I find a lot of these European countries now to nearly speaking English to you Like but what's the Danish Language like to learn? Yeah, you tell it you dance go on school. It's just like I know enough be nice to tell everybody That I don't speak Difficult to pick up because it's it's I mean honestly, you know If you go to another country unless the language and you think you can sort of almost imagine where they're gonna laugh When they're gonna, you know go be sad or what I mean, you can never tell with the ends, you know The Danish language rather it just has these stops and she stops and you're thinking okay Well, you know Oh dear and it's I always get it wrong. You know what I mean? So it's I was chatting the earlier on just before we come on and we actually sort of a grown-up in Belfast and West Belfast and Sin the quote and I'd made a point to find it here before that it was a recreational rider That's the first time I've heard writing because some things as a child grown up in the 70s as well to ban and Recreational writer. That's do you know that sounds nearly like something you take a degree in I Should be one of the laxer There was a skill involved in it like it wasn't a shit forward What was like life like I'm West Belfast from the lit and I'm thinking lit sort of said mid the lit 70s Well, you mentioned recreational riding. I mean, that's generally what I don't like You know and and it was years later that that term and it was some BBC Correspondent and he was standing, you know, and there was a couple of kids playing in the background and he coined the phrase now remember going on and it was in my adulthood and it was like That's what I used to do, you know It's a brilliant thing isn't racked we're still ratting watch your hobbies for a bit of recreational Part of it is like now through my music Yeah, I got involved in sort of piece and rack and sell the Asian right and a lot of songs about You know growing up in West Belfast everything. I thought you know I had quite quite a bit of commercial success with bonds called Alan T. Orchard and My bank whole bank robbers and we didn't we sort of dealt with the issue we bit in the songs Yes, I I'm pretty candid about my upbringing now and and and all and it brought it's brought me into these Sort of what would you say initiatives were you're you're working with acts British army, you know, you know what he caught You're working with people who you know R.A. And UVF or whatever, you know, and yeah, and you're you know, you're you're seeing these guys and They're coming in from a different angle now. Yeah, and and and you know that music has brought me into sort of areas like that You know and and people are we're coming out of the trance. You sort of really at the end of the day And music does seem to a healer and a lot of things and it's great You know yourself better. I would know for bringing people together. That's probably what it's achieved a lot You know, yeah, and I'm happy I'm happy with that and I'm happy to be able to talk candidly about Me up bringing and I'm really really keen to do that Nice one. Well, you have your new album was released on Friday on digital And it's called I once was a hawk and now I'm a dove There it is. You see that's that's what the title's about. Yeah It's you know, I was a hawk I grew up and I threw stones at the Brits and you know, probably did a few things Beyond that, but yes, I would say thank God and they're killed anybody. No, but you know, I had a pretty you know What one track mind and and and I think it was telling just before we came on her Once I get in the music I was starting to work with people from a shackle road and all the rest You know and and it just brought me into a new world And I never turned my back on on on my community in that way and never I have a political analysis But I mean, I know where I've been and I know what I went through and all that there but the music just taught me in that a different place were you know a You know, it's were it's a piece of reconciliation for me, you know But at the same time, I do have a political analysis about Ireland and about, you know I want to see a new Ireland and and I think it's going that way Yeah, and I hope to God that it goes peacefully and I want to be part of Helping and I once was a hawk and now my dove is really directed to people in the South Is that we plan around there a lot and speaking at the totally there seems to be a nervousness about About a unification or even a board of pool and and I believe there's gonna we're gonna be unified and there's this nervousness and I think people like me artists need to speak to Out loud and talk about how the North has come a long way people on the ground have come a long way You're bringing that under your songs all the time good all the time, right? We're gonna go with your first track is called I love you. Yes I was gonna do that second if you want to make a partner. No, it's my fault Do what you want to do for I'm gonna do a song brexit blues because it's just that just to keep it all nice and light If I can with because brexit blues Gooby story briefly this one is I was approached by people on the shank of road and it says When you read a song about brexit you've 12 hours to do it I had to go that evening and then come back and perform the next day So wrote this song at 12 hours when you say your approach of people in the shank of said you better write a song That's not one of the worst offers They looked after me like there were dead on and I went and done it and and I'm glad it did because this is the song and It's a wee tongue-in-cheek song. So Here it is. It's a brexit blues. Hope you enjoyed We're all in troubles to get you cold trouble We're very brexit on the border tonight The party swinging back to the beginning and give the people such a terrible fright We're all going the wrong way, but everybody let's face it. We've got to live peace and love someday We just can't stop They chase the brexit blue Be groceries you meet your veggie poultry because nothing here is going to be the same The chlorine's waiting just to dissipate, you know, it's coming to you anyway But he's just talking shit And that's joebie fox there and subtract from his Current album, which is out on general east not be on CD on till the 24th of November why is that joebie? I just worked out that way and that's getting fed up I get send you a new record label called a double discs And I just was like a cap putting the not double just put the whole of her I just kept putting the album back and that was it. I just said let's get it out now I'm gonna do the hard copy thing in a couple of months a couple of weeks time You were involved in the punk scene and Belfast I was Like that was Basically cut in a still a lot of punk bands that were and I don't mean You know, there's a lot of artists couldn't play music I mean both they learned to be on the matured of this own grit artists from the punk era You know to mean someone you can think of just off the top of your head But for yourself, how does it work for you? That's really interesting because you know, it's A thing with me because I was punk rocker. I was in this bond blah blah blah Got sandy am I records and Sandy am I records and and then went on and Saying we MC a record manager ordered and not be honest Maybe bluffing away a whole table till I got to the end the family to orchard was about 10 years in the music thing How long we's what along was energy orchard together about three years? the good times Actually About what we used to well Bob was in the barns, you know, yeah, okay most of the songs and Bob used to be the Rudy of the bank robbers You know how these things work it's freaky-deaky like but me and him we're good mates and we basically started anarchy orchard And but the song Belfast which was the first single That was released from the album Got the number 42 in the UK George number number one in Ireland And that's oh number one Ireland. That's when you had the sale records like you had this Oh, you know what I mean you had this sale. Oh, that was a 42. So very respectful It was alright, and I got a check for like 25 grand first my first worldly check But you know what a regular monitor and I says I says you call them Joe I says Joe, I just got a friggin check to the door Joby Fox is square and he went he was quite a toffee. Well, I wouldn't say toffee knows, but he was a lovely guy But quite true talk like this and he says oh just pop it in the post He says and I says what he says no, that's you have to give the money back because He'd the management company had advanced us 50 grand. So the first 50 grand had to go back It was up there in Amsterdam You know mention the punk scene you mentioned the 70s, you know, it's something wrong if I didn't mention that the name Terry Hulley She's an old Terry personally for Codsey. I'll tell you a quick great story of Terry Hulley, right? I really tell stories about Terry. I love Terry and my brother like but he were at a party me and the mate And the mate was born as hardly the girl the girl he'd split up with a girl, you see Terry sit in the middle that party's over and Terry sit now So he's he's really put his heart out that Terry cuz he was the oldest to see what he had to say any advice You know, so he went on for about 50 minutes. I never said I till eventually the mates here He says I'm what do you think Terry like I mean what I'm born Marley We're in so he wasn't one of the time I was new iron and we sort of instinctively just get up and look He'd fell asleep Very good Because we were up in madness last year I mean my daughter up in Belfast and custom house square When the Conrad I was just something else, but we were standing with you see and I looked There's a DJ on before this and he wasn't speaking he wasn't doing on he didn't have to oh dude We have his arms there and everybody was going along with That's very fairly I mean they had done this set And I don't know there was none special about it what there was something about him You know the charisma them so he came down afterwards, and I Oh my god a gentleman. I'm in love with him. I love them on I love him dearly You know he's do you think did he get the right recognition for what he brought on at that very awkward dangerous time Yeah, I think he did because you know it's a brilliant question Paul because I always had this burning desire to have a Statue or something for him when he's still alive Hi, and then this crowd came in and done the the war he caught on the movie good vibrations Hi, I mean I mean that was I was saying to you my we were saying our sorry to you good vibrations also Hi, and I say it's the tarry about a year to go a system. Do you remember the time was just reminiscing do you remember the time He's just like jobby if it wasn't in the movie Things like that, but I do believe and I've always said it when I see them like I was People didn't pep I didn't know or appreciate Once I see no it wasn't often Generally, he's a naughty hero in the sense that I don't know that's the right term But he's he's like he just was never you know, his father was a communist, you know in the communist part You know, and I think that was partly why he lost his eye because I think some kid whacked him I think with some kind of arrow or something I got there but He was loathed I mean Terry's from the originally from the past you know, but he was kind of his family were loathed because of the communists And and and they were they would have worked with you know, they wouldn't occurred whether you were plasma or Catholic If you know what I mean, there's a book to you. What's that? Sorry? There's a book there. Obviously, you know Yeah, oh, I mean, but he's you know, Terry Terry's not I don't want to explain it But he's sort of he was just a candlelight and he enjoyed being a candlelight You know what I mean? It was a big thing to take on then Joby and you you were there, you know, you wouldn't stop like there was music happening now and I remember talking to the day on their tones and and They were learning they were doing rehearsals above the Bogside and and there's writing happening down and they were playing you know, just rehearsing up a stated look out and You don't know what I mean, and that's it. It was part of the norm But for to get that escape and to music It had to be something else and the people that get it you in there definitely I mean, I We had an English manager Who was in this in the bank robbers and say we're saying to give a person good friend of Terry's and he was the top manager in the other hotel and He was it, you know English speaking and we were you know Remember one day ringing me up and and gone he didn't even know what was going on But he was our route out really, you know him and and you know He got us out of out of bed fast all the car and which was a good thing I remember being ringing one day. I just worry. He says oh, I'm in the fennels Everybody's really lovely here in the studio. He says one look just shut up Timony sounds of his manager Brilliant hey another song you don't mean We're gonna take a commercial break and if you just tuned in we're in conversation and with Joby Fox It's just released a brand-new album and it is available on the platform. It's not available on the CD as of yet I was once a hawk. No, I'm a dove think about it and work a title out yourself back at this Don't miss the most heartwarming film of the year the miracle club Congratulations you're coming to Lawrence. You can't go. What do I do on me own go back to bed? Starring Laura Lenny and then a place. 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Jobe fox is with us and this next number. Jobe is From the album as well. Yeah, and it's called no home And the bones of this song is about it's about it's about forced migration. It's about the famine And I would some people would argue was a a chance, of course I worked with refugees eight years ago. I went down to lesbos and Started helping out after the cerium war And pretty much I thought it'd go there for a couple of weeks But what I seen during that two weeks ensured that I could never walk away. Really, it would almost be so I went and got along with another artist called jude bannett. I went and got I went started the campaign to get a vessel and get a boat and we did and we Got it in the water and we got searching rescue teams from all over the world We're called rafi t rescue informed this NGO. I just talk all the way for some fall and To date we're now working in the Mediterranean along alongside a german in on a german ship called ci4 And to date we've rescued over 18,000 people Brown and that's that's you know, we get them out of the water We put them online and that's what we do but on that one You know, we don't get into a politics Well, we want to hear this song and we'll chat more with that if you don't mind whenever you're ready. Yeah, sure Just as the wind and I Blue town And the rain and the hail came Tumbling down as my home And I won't return Just pale Face down east stomach hurts My winds cry Skin and bones themselves To the mercy of the sea as a fear crashing To go lovely song indeed very passionate song and definitely from the heart. Yeah, the the rescue Service operation that you set up as a stolen operation. Oh, yeah, and are you involved in it? Oh, thanks. Yeah. Yeah, not you know, it was on the front line. Frankly, it took us too long Me as much as a third of somebody else And I ended up just come back into the strategic end of it now, you know A lot of trauma a lot of To be honest with you it was like, you know, it shocked me up You know come from westbound fast and everything. I thought I could take on anything But it humbled me like it humbled me Jesus, I'm telling you A jelly comes to me, you know, I mean at times like it was about two years after I was just plugging away You know, it doesn't feel right me sitting here. So it all was terrible for me and all of course It was terrible for the people that were actually experiencing it I know what you mean the reality of it is it was terrible for everybody But you have to be realistic about it too at the same time It has had an effect on you and You're right because you have to think of your own mental health as well here and Pulling the way and going still staying involved but not not in the front line I don't think you could do that for a long period of time. I nearly lost my bloody eyesight and everything sort of I ended up with a A condition in the eyes and I was walking at the sea and dirt and sweat and everything and tell me that scene Mm-hmm You go out in the boat from where well now just to be clear I don't personally go out there no because I Myself and a couple of hours facilitate at the search and rescue teams. Okay, so we maintain the boat I know I've been out a few times, but I'm not a search and rescue Our personnel. Okay. We we organized them to come out, you know to come to the vassal And they go out and do the do the top stuff like how big is the vessel not very, but it's very sophisticated It's uh, it's a small rapid reaction Hard Caste rib, you know, it's it's And it's very sophisticated kind of thing. Tell me how you how you fond of do you get any help from government or anything? No We we we got initial we got a 35 grand from a guy called Jake Chapman Which is uh, he's a famous artist British artist And he was very good. He gave us 35 grand. I gotta start it. But then we we we only we We need money now. We seriously need money, uh, but uh, You know, we have been very frugal very smart about it all It's it's registered Charlie never taking a penny from it. It's all been voluntary and there's been about five Volunteers who just keep it going, you know, and we do you have to pay people sometimes just to keep the Thing oil, but uh, I think your question is sort of how is it funded some sometimes we're we're desperate Refugee rescue if you've got any money, please give it to us. We're desperate now. Is that dot-com sort of thing or yeah? Yeah Yeah, uh, so well firstly everybody involved because that's a it's a huge thing to take on and uh I think you deserve you deserve a lot of praise for the people that are involved in that Joey and they're all from different nationalities. Yeah, this is the things from all over the world, you know But I would say essentially, you know, it comes right down to the heart of it The people that have been involved in it is uh, what a quote two British guys uh or an li What a quote keeps screwing up one upper. I've done a couple of really good views of says anileno all sorts of good Take talk about a renner The girls tell me the other day just she was she was going for a baby after even when she said to me I got no her partners and she's Me and her school for help Someone says to me the order I'm so dyslexic right Someone says Can you smell gauze? I he says can you smell gauze? I says for bleep sake? I can't even smell my own name Very good very good Well come here the album is available on all the platforms as it is on spotifies and all that Well, you'll be reaping the rewards of spotify very shortly. They'll be reaping the rewards of spotify I heard it there'll be no 25,000 On the check there. I heard someone say today. I think it was my partner. She looks after me basically and What is it? Going by don't spotify Yeah, that was it go go by don't spotify. That was it. Well, it's changed the thing Different people have different opinions on it. You know, what's your opinion on? Depresses me Depress a big word. I don't literally mean depressed, but I'm you know, I seen I'm not in this end of the music business, but I sort of admire snoop doggy dog and I seen him He was out of some kind of a conference and it's just a way politics, you know, and it's kind of You know downtown LA way like he just says like he done a quick Formula and he says now how does that work? And why am I only getting this amount of money? And it is absolutely sickening, you know, because I Like 43 years I've been involved in the music business and you know I know a few things You know what I mean, but it's just the way they flipped everything over on its head and if created these outlets were The artist doesn't get You know paid right now. I'd be honest. I was also equally You know when it was growing growing and growing up coming through the music industry I used to think artists get too much They get too much money Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but there's a balance to be met. I mean what I would always say is saver's money I want my bit. Yeah, do you know if someone's making money out of my music? Yeah, I want my bit because I quite happily just do what I do now and make a living out of it But it's the thought of someone say taking a song or meh or songs or meh and making millions of it And me not getting any I don't think that's for no You know what I mean? Well, listen to tell you we're going to get a final track from you So the final one you're going to do. Yes. I'm going to take out another commercial break Give us a chance to tune this off. Ah chin up. You're right. Well, I love to call the final one It's called. I love you. This is the latest single off the album And you'll get it again, uh, you know wherever you need to get it Go to youtube please and search. I love youtube be fox because I want to get the youtube things up Get them all right after this break. Don't go away. 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Our modest front door opens onto two floors of Irish-made furniture, suites, beds, mattresses, dining and occasional furniture. Step into our showroom and see how we can transform your house into a home. House to Home furniture, flooring, slide robes and interiors, Bridge End, Donegal. Welcome back. We were to my own. We got coming up in the second part of the program. We were delighted to welcome and Brandon and Jimmy Maxwell and they'll be singing and give us a bit of crack between nine and ten. Also good music on the way as we've had great music up until now. Joby Fox is in studio and this final track is a song called I Love You and it's the single and it's released. It's currently out at the moment. Yeah, yep. It's very radio-friendly. Hint, hint, hint. Good job. When are you ready? This is a song about, really, about the quack man. I met Maureen O'Hara a few years ago before she did. I did indeed. I met her in Iceford Castle. It's a real Pentsme moment and I just written this song and I was doing a radio interview and the guy said, I'm going to meet Maureen O'Hara. I want to come along. I was like, you're joking me or what? And I performed this song for her. I did indeed. What is she like? Absolutely. I spent the cuts of three days but God love her eye. She was lovely and it was a strange thing. You know, you're looking at a woman who must have been going on there in 80s but she still had that sparkle in her eyes. It kind of confused me. Very good. Why am I so attracted to this woman? You know me but she's just a lovely woman. Well, we'd love to hear this. This is I Love You. This is for Sophie too. Here I am in the morning of a day to come. A song thing to tell you in the morning song. To be certain, to be sure. It's a lovely song. That features on the, I once was a hawk. Now I am a dove. Great saying I did. Just before you go. You don't know who I'm talking to. The Lost Commandos. That's right. That was part of the what I call it week, wasn't it? That piece. Did you act on it and play a part or was it a short film? Short film and it was part of my last album was called The End of the War. It took me to everywhere. It took me to New York. It took me to Hong Kong and the ring. All around the show. It sort of had academic appeal to you because you know every university now sort of has a peace and reconciliation facility or whatever, you know. But it got a bit feral. But after really being honest with you, you know, talking about the same thing all the time. I started to forget the other. It got to me. But Lost Commandos was an idea that I had and it was about, it was really about after the Good Friday Agreement, there were still military structures you know, mostly on the loyalists there has to be said. And you know, and those guys, in my opinion, were lost. And the short film itself, we got stormed for four hours to shoot four guys running about with balaclavas and AK47s. You have to see it to believe it. Is it available? Yeah. It's out there. It's on Femio. That's total. I mean, you wouldn't have got away with it. No, you just wouldn't have got away with it, you know. But it's sort of like Lost Commandos is they're lost and it's like five minutes of them on the bird, iconic places and power fires. And they come back to where they've started off and they see themselves beginning. So there's a bit of a loop. It's like a loop, you know. And the lost thing is it's a matter for the lost is that they're lost. Now, because they have to there's there's there's a there's a line. There's only one line and you know, we have to go and you know what you have to do. In other words, you know what you have to do now is just put down decommission your mind, go stop taking orders from people. And and also on the album, there's a track called What Do You Think Yourself? And that's directed at people who are still stuck in that paramilitary, you know, military structure. You're not taking orders anymore. It's like, what do you think yourself? Because that's what's important. Because if we're moving in there, we're moved into a democratic space, it is about what you think yourself. And it's about allowing people to come here. It's been an absolute delight to chat to you all night. That's the kind of a year and you come up when they come over here. I know you're you're you're meeting friends as well, but we totally appreciate it from the bottom of my heart. You're gigging over in Denmark as well. What's the Irish music scene like in Denmark? Brilliant. Just brilliant. They all come over, you know, the McSharries and all that, all those guys and you know, I mean, there's a place called Waxies and a place called Aarhus. And it's just, I mean, it's just this great and Irish published you'll ever meet or ever be, rather. Brilliant. Come here, Joby. As I say, safe travels wherever they take you. The best of luck with the album. The CD will be out, as I said, on the 24th of November. And it's out there on the platforms now at the minute. I once was a hawk, now I'm a dove. Joby Fox has been an absolute delight. Thank you very much, indeed. Thank you for. No, we got it. We got a new album set up just during the week. And it's Alton Conlon. Alton was up with us a few years ago.